Werritty Finances

by craig on October 11, 2011 10:38 am in Uncategorized

A civil service mole has promised me some insider news about Gus O’Donnell’s planned whitewash of Fox relating to how they will treat Werritty’s finances in the investigation. This entry is being posted 45 minutes after I leave home to meet them, by an unorthodox route and method of transport, to an improbable location. Oh, and neither of us is carrying a mobile phone either. So don’t bother, you’re stuffed.

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  1. James Bond!

  2. It’s a small point, but as an Edinburgh alumnus, I feel a duty to highlight that Werritty graduated with a desmond in social policy. This is nothing against social policy as a subject, but Edinburgh handed out 2.2s in social sciences almost apologetically. Those who got 1sts were exceptional, most of us got 2.1s, and the remainder, the very average students who limped through the honours courses, got given 2.2s or 3rds. If you were identified as having any sort of smarts, the tutors worked hard to make sure you got a 2.1 you were capable of.

    So among other plain facts, Werritty has not gotten ahead through being bright, and it’s not why he became Liam Fox’s best friend.

  3. This entry is being posted 45 minutes after I leave home to meet them, by an unorthodox route and method of transport, to an improbable location. Oh, and neither of us is carrying a mobile phone either. So don’t bother, you’re stuffed.

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    Why not just tell everyone when you get back instead of teasing the Lizard Men like this?

  4. Angrysoba, insurance.

  5. ‘Atlantic Bridge’ primary source of funding is BICOM, a so called research centre whose aim is to influence the main media. BICOM, chaired by billionaire Poju Zabludowicz donates to the Conservatives via CFI an unincorporated association (not subject to tax).
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    Zabludowicz, a London-based billionaire has generously funded the Conservative Party in the UK through the Conservative Friends of Israel. Zabludowicz has a stake in a shopping centre in Ma’ale Adumim, an illegal settlement under international law on a hill in Jerusalem.
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    Zabludowicz’s fortune originated from Soltam, the Israeli arms manufacturer set up by his father Shlomo Zabludowicz.
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    Poju Zabludowicz has donated funds to David Cameron through his firm Tamares Real Estate Investments. (Register of Interests)
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    Israel’s ‘linchpin’ settlement:
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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4419046.stm
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    I suspect Adam Werritty was employed by BICOM itself but I have failed to find evidence so far. FOA requests may reveal the truth, but I need help with the forensics.

  6. If you spot a large pink northface bag, run like billy-o.

  7. Lovely jubbly. Assume Craig has fought off the bugs/viruses.

  8. I love it. Very sensible: ‘Oh, and neither of us is carrying a mobile phone either.’

  9. “Dr. Adam Werritty, Advisor, Office of Shadow Defense Secretary; UK
    Executive Director, The Atlantic Bridge”

    http://www.herzliyaconference.org/eng/_Uploads/2165executivesummary09.pdf

    Claiming a doctorate as well as an advisor’s job.

  10. Back story, and true identity of AB here:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/08/1024211/-ALEC-scandal-goes-international-UK-Knighthood,-Thatcher-and-3M-involved

    “So from 2003 through last week, ALEC had an office and influence right inside Britain’s Ministry of Defence (MoD).”

  11. Well said Mark and to think that Fox and Werritty were meeting up with the Israeli war criminals at the Herzliya conference. That is where they gather each year to arm their resolve to keep the Zionist state and the cruel Occupation going at full strength. As they say on the website:
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    The Annual Herzliya Conference Series
    The Herzliya Work Cycle: Anticipatory and Policy-Oriented
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    The Herzliya Conference, the flagship event of the Institute for Policy and Strategy at IDC Herzliya, is a year-long work cycle consisting of the following phases:
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    § Preliminary research and analysis conducted by the Herzliya Taskforces and commissioned experts;
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    § The Conference, at which major policy statements and initiatives are delivered, and Herzliya Roundtables are held, followed by deliberations and the presentation of specially commissioned reports and studies;
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    § Executive Herzliya Reports presented to key policy-makers, summarizing the Conference’s proceedings, findings, and major policy recommendations.
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    The Conference, held under academic auspices, in a non-partisan, informal atmosphere, facilitates and encourages an informed debate on the most pressing issues on the national and international agendas. The Conference covers the military and diplomatic domains, as well as increasingly important matters as economic viability, social cohesion, government performance, education and world Jewish affairs. Undertaking a policy-driven and action-oriented approach, the Herzliya Conference supports the formation of a ‘grand strategy’ for Israel and the region by shaping decisions and influencing policy outcomes.
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    While the overall theme of the Conference series is constant, each year’s agenda addresses the topics considered to be most important and urgent and those issues where an integrative approach can be expected to yield particular value and impact.
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    The cumulative product of the Herzliya Conference Series – the proceedings, reports, and policy recommendations – frames policy discourse and debates and provides timely input into policy-making in Israel and abroad, at times with direct involvement of the senior team of the Conference.
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    The Herzliya Impact: Setting the Agenda
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    The integrative assessments and concrete recommendations deliberated at Herzliya have had a demonstrable impact on Israel’s national policy, often implemented. In many areas, the Institute for Policy and Strategy, through the Herzliya Conference, was the first to place items on the national agenda.
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    First to identify the Iranian drive towards nuclear weapons and regional hegemony as the primary strategic threat to Israel and the region and assess the implication of a poly nuclear Middle East;
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    First to apply path-breaking methodologies for comparative national security assessments;
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    First to set-out proactive communication strategies for Israel’s international public diplomacy;
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    First to realize the opportunity of deepening Israel’s relations with the Western world – NATO and the Euro-Atlantic community;
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    First to truly incorporate Jewish peoplehood input into Israeli foreign and national security policy-making;
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    First to trigger a comprehensive reform of Israel’s school education system;
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    First to single out the key engines for long-term economic growth in macro-economic planning in Israel.
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    The Herzliya Network: Convening Power and Global Outreach
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    The Herzliya Conference draws on its range of networks and convening power and assembles the senior policy-makers of Israel along with international leaders and renowned global thinkers, for informed and non-partisan deliberation. The Conference convenes the exclusive participation of senior opinion leaders, strategists, military personnel, academics, diplomats and politicians from Israel and around the world.
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    The Institute for Policy and Strategy has established and marshaled a unique network of affiliations with prominent institutions, research centers, think tanks and government agencies from around the globe.
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    The 11th Conference – 2011
    The Herzliya Conference is Israel‘s primary global policy annual gathering, drawing together Israeli and international participants from the highest levels of government, business, and academia to address pressing national, regional and world strategic issues. (More…)
    http://www.herzliyaconference.org/eng/?CategoryID=436
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    Note that there is mention of the Palestinians in the foregoing.

  12. @ Quelcrime…he must have pulled a few strings even to get on a PhD course with a 2.2. But, obviously, he didn’t.

  13. Quelcrime We overlapped on Herzliya! Well found.
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    This relevant too. Lord Guthrie spoke there in 2006 and 2007.
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    ‘When Lord Guthrie was speaking at a conference in Herzliya, Israel, in January 2006 and 2007, it would of course have been unnecessary to speak of his commercial interest in small guns. His subject in 2007 was “Upgrading Israel’s strategic partnerships with the Atlantic community: the US, NATO and the EU”. There was a good sprinkling of Israeli warriors there like Netanyahu and Perle. Being subject to the Official Secrets Act and to military honour, he would have confined himself in speech and debate. After all, as an ex-chief of defence staff he must know the whole shebang.’
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    Requiem for principle and law in Britain
    28 January 2008
    How Britain’s political and military leadership pays scant regard to justice and the law, especially when it comes to the Palestine-Israel conflict.
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    http://dhalpin.infoaction.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=52&Itemid=2

  14. This piece of Craig’s is quoted on MediaLens. Pete Fainton has just posted this that Sir Gus O’Donnell is quitting.
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    Re: Werritty Finances
    Posted by pete f on October 11, 2011, 11:22 am, in reply to “Werritty Finances”

    from @christopherhope: “Big news in Whitehall, Cabinet Secretary and Civil Service head Sir Gus O’Donnell to quit and his job split in two”

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    All change at the top of Whitehall
    Posted by pete f on October 11, 2011, 12:09 pm, in reply to “Re: Werritty Finances”

    http://www.totalpolitics.com/blog/261247/all-change-at-the-top-of-whitehall.thtml

    “Who is the man who is stepping up to replace Sir Gus? Jeremy Heywood was brought back into No 10 in 2008 after a spell in the private sector as an investment banker at Morgan Stanley. Before that, he’d been principal private secretary to both Norman Lamont and Tony Blair.”

  15. so I wonder how many MP’s are being funded secretly by pro Israeli elements?

  16. And (see Mark_Golding’s post, above) BICOM’s connections with the USA’s second largest lobbying outfit, AIPAC, might merit some attention.

    http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/Britain_Israel_Communications_and_Research_Centre

    (source is biased, but apparently verifiable)

  17. Daily Mail:

    Johnson and Boswell, Holmes and Watson, Batman and Robin – to those we can now add another duo to embody muscular, Christian, manly and most of all platonic affection. Fox and Werritty. And in case you suspected there was anything Dorothyesque going on here, let it be recorded that Dr Fox twice made mention of Mr Werritty having a popsy.

    Shadow Defence Secretary Jim Murphy gave the thing a fair whack but he was not helped by his own side harrumphing too much at Fox. Silent disapproval is always far deadlier. And then Dennis Skinner (Lab, Bolsover) made a semi-coherent intervention, and Dr Fox said: ‘It is certainly possible to keep a good bottle a little too long.’

    Translation: the old boy’s gone gaga. Widespread laughter, and not just from Tories.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047656/Liam-Fox-Adam-Werritty-cosy-steak-dinner-US-general.html#ixzz1aTUiaR5j

  18. Telegraph piece fine here Clark.
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    Q Would Sam Weller in Pickwick Papers have pronounced Werritty as Verity or Verity as Werritty? I can’t remember which way round his speech impediment worked.
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    It is a very unusual surname anyway. Only five on 192.com. Three in London, one in Kent and one in Scotland.
    http://www.192.com/atoz/people/werritty/adam/

  19. O’Donnell is going at end of year. Probably can’t stand much more of the ConDems.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15258026

  20. “Werritty as Verity or Verity as Werritty?”
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    I thought it was the Life of Brian thing – you know – Fwee Wodger.

  21. Vronsky: Vewwity, shirley?

  22. Of course Brian Moylan. It was his inability to pronounce the letter ‘r’. One of those obscure Wikipedia pages tells all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhotacism

  23. I lay my case to you on Zabludowicz’s funding influence on a corrupt Conservative Party completely and utterly dissinterested in serving the British people; instead intent on serving the interests of the 1% elite in Britain; the powerful minority determined to rule all our destinies.
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    On September 30th this year in a little known press release the English court in a judicial review ruled that Sheikh Raed Salah, an activist speaking out against the appalling conditions Palestinians suffer under the apartheid system in Israel, was entitled to damages due to ‘wrongful detention’.
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    Raed was taken into custody upon entering Britain and detained for 21 days. This while changes to the laws governing Universal Jurisdiction allowed a known criminal, Tzippi Livni, into Britain on a ‘special mission’. Thus the arrest of Sheikh Raed Salah in Britain will give Israel the green light on detention and deportation and is a decision in identification and congruity with Israeli policies of racial discrimination against Palestinians.
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    Theresa May considered Raed as “not conducive to public good” while a series of emails revealed her correspondence with the Community Security Trust or CST who publically considered Raed to be an ‘anti-Semite’ and backed May in the popular press.
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    A board member of CST is billionare and owner of a Mall in the illegal West Bank settlement – Poju Zabludowicz.
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/sep/26/may-warned-case-sheikh-salah

  24. deepgreenpuddock

    11 Oct, 2011 - 2:48 pm

    This site and the comments sometimes go sublime-and this is surely one of those moments. I don’t know where to laugh most. Is it the farce-not sure if this is a bedroom farce-that is the Werrity /Fox thing, but it sure as hell must go down as one of those weirdnesses that crop up so often among our high and mighties. To be honest, I am mind frazzled to think that such dullness, such amateurish shenanigans is what passes for one of the ‘very important’ positions in a cabinet. Fox is a laughing stock, as well as being a dull-witted twat. It is all a terrible indictment of what is now passing for a government of 60 odd million soul’s- an entity which is supposed to be negotiating and articulating the best interests of us all. Combined with the Cameron and Coulson debacle and the Hague and his rent-boy room-mate, one is bound to wonder wtf is going on. How long can this farce go on?

    And the speed that everybody gets on the case is also mind boggling. Congrats to all for this magnificent contribution to the gaiety of the nation. I am following this story with much wonder and amazement and amusement.

  25. OT Millipede Major angling for a job in case Bliar gets the shove?
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/11/david-miliband-gaza-politics-save-the-children

  26. On the previous thread there is mention of Kuwait telecoms in a link from the Yorkshire Ranter.
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    Bliar has a multi million contract with the Kuwaiti government and did a deal with the Israelis to allow Wataniya into the West Bank thus giving the Palestinians mobile phone availability. Wataniya are part owned by Qatar and Kuwait interests. Presumably Bliar took multiple cuts on the deal.
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    It would be interesting to know if Fox and Werrity were involved?
    ++++

    ‘Tony Blair Associates has as a client Kuwait, and by implication its royal family, while Blair has met with the finance minister of Kuwait while representing JPMorgan Chase. Wataniya Palestine is substantially (57%) owned by investors from Qatar and… Kuwait. For the former, it’s Qatar Telecom. But for the later, it’s the Kuwait Investment Authority, which operates on behalf of the State of Kuwait — Tony Blair Associates’ client. So when Blair lobbies for Wataniya, who is he representing?

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    While awaiting the UN’s answers, we note that in June 2009, “Wataniya Palestine CEO Alan Richardson recently called on Middle East envoy and former British prime minister Tony Blair to intervene on behalf of Wataniya to get the frequency released. Richardson previously has been involved in controversial cell phone projects in Iraq, with Orascom and Iraqna, contracts which the U.S. Pentagon urged the Coalition Provisional Authority to cancel. ‘

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    http://www.innercitypress.com/blair1unjpmc111309.html
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    Oh what a tangled web we weave….

  27. Anon David Miliband is a creep, Why didn’t he get his act together when he had the chance as Foreign Secretary 2007-2010 when Cast Lead was enacted on Gaza at the end of 2008?. His department did nothing when the MV Dignity, on its way to Gaza with surgeons and aid, was ++thric++ rammed by the Israeli Navy in the middle of the night in international waters and in rough seas. This happened on December 29 2008 and the passengers were left for dead. Thankfully the boat did not sink and the passengers survived to land at Tyre in the Lebanon.

    When I heard about the attack, I rang the Foreign Office in the early hours pleading for their assistance as a relative was on board. They did nothing and did not even ring me back.
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    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2008/12/30/uk-palestinians-israel-boat-sb-idUKTRE4BT28120081230.

  28. ++thrice++

  29. Meanwhile, air activity over East Anglia continues. Tornadoes? Can’t see them.

  30. Werrity – Petar – Boulter – and, what’s this? Zabludowicz?

    Oh, yes.

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/56216/fox-friend-fixed-key-meetings-israel

    “Lee Petar, a former director of communications at Israel lobby group Bicom, has found himself at the centre of the storm around Mr Werritty. Mr Petar’s PR company, Tetra Strategy, was employed by Harvey Boulter, the British businessman whose revelations have caused so much embarrassment to the Defence Secretary.

    Mr Boulter’s company, the Porton Group, employed Tetra to advise them on a claim against American company 3M. A statement issued by Tetra on Monday said: “The case concerned the development of new MRSA testing technology developed by the MoD. Tetra introduced its client to Adam Werritty in March 2011, widely believed at the time to be an official adviser to Dr Liam Fox. The purpose of the introduction was to brief the MoD on the litigation.”

    Tetra Strategy counts among its clients the investment company Tamares, owned by Bicom chairman Poju Zabludowicz.

    The JC understands that Bicom paid for Mr Werritty to visit a previous Herzliya Conference,
    while he was working for Dr Fox in opposition.”

  31. Big fleas little fleas etc etc and this is our government.Heaven help us all.

  32. One assumes Fox has pissed a lot of MOD / service types off with the recent defense review and his witless comments about who was responsible for decades of bungling – cue expose of his nefarious business dealings with the defense industry.

  33. “I rang the Foreign Office in the early hours pleading for their assistance as a relative was on board. They did nothing and did not even ring me back.”
    .
    So sad Mary – you have my empathy and deep sympathy to you for such disgraceful behaviour by the Foreign Office.

  34. Well found Komodo – very interesting!

  35. cctv Craig, every angle must be covered, including pre planning of route.

  36. deepgreenpuddock

    11 Oct, 2011 - 5:51 pm

    reading around this bizarre and fantastical episode, it is hard not to conclude, (although of course there is no evidence), that Fox has set Werrity in place as a conduit and administrator for any ‘benefits’ that might be expected to come the way of Fox in his various roles within government. Fox, as a political player needs a little distance, and it seems to me, intuitively of course , that they have colluded to have Werrity in place as the bagman. How on earth has it come to this, such a travesty of government and representation.
    Mandelson got away with serial financial indiscretions. Blair got away with numerous blatant abuses of parliament. Isn’t about time there was a straightforward rule about abuse of elected positions. I sense a Bastille moment coming.

  37. What bought ‘terrorism’ to our world – a short reminder to our children.
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    Around the end of the nineteenth century a movement called political Zionism had begun in Europe. Its goal was to create a Jewish state in Palestine by pushing out 95 percent of its population and replacing them with immigrants.
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    The Zionists anticipated violence because people obviously resist being expelled from their land. The announced strategy was to buy up land but the reality was intimidation and violence by a number of terrorist groups formed to fight the Palestinians and the British. In 1947 Britain relinquished control of Palestine to the UN while the Zionists pushed for a General Assembly resolution that would give them 55 percent of Palestine.
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    America opposed the partition considering Zionism contrary to fundamental American principles [Loy Henderson memo to the Secretary of State]. Official agencies are on record as saying that Zionist leadership was pursuing objectives that would endanger “the strategic interests of Western powers in the Near and Middle East. It was President Harry Truman who acceded to the Pro-Israel lobby in a presidential election year despite being accused of trying to grab a “few more votes”.
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    The General Assembly vote was delayed by the Zionists while a campaign of intimidation, coercion and bribery ensued which succeeded in that Res. 181 a *recommendation* for partition was passed on Nov. 29 1947.
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    The resolution immediately increased fighting by the Palestinians who were overwhelmed by massive weaponry stealthily prepared before the UN vote. After a partial UN ceasefire 413,794 people had been forced out of Palestine and a Swedish UN mediator assassinated. Israel came into existence on 78 percent of Palestine while at least 33 massacres of Palestinian civilians were perpetuated and hundreds of villages razed.
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    Israeli cartographers went out to rename in Hebrew every town, village, Hillock, river and copse. All vestiges of Palestinian habitation, history, and culture were to be erased from history.
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    Israel occupied more territory in 1967 and later built a huge wall that grabbed more land. To this day Israel builds more illegal settlements on high ground demolishing many olive trees, the life blood of the Palestinians.

  38. Craig, giving people hints in this way is NOT a good way to protect the whistleblower you’re off to meet (unless of course this is a red herring). Really, it’s a very bad idea.

  39. Thank you, Mark. I sense we are on the same track.

    [Mod: duplicate material deleted]

    It’s here (but in Hebrew):

    http://www.themarker.com/misc/1.561765

  40. Thanks, Mark, Your posts are also useful.

    http://www.middleeastmonitor.org.uk/articles/europe/841-a-reading-of-poju-zabludowiczs-first-interview-with-an-israeli-newspaper

    “From the interview it is clear Zabludowicz is not the run of the mill financier. In Britain, he enjoys a de facto ambassadorial status. According to Sami Peretz, his interviewer, “Zabludowicz is the ambassador who finances and personally deals with advancing the status of Israel, but on the other hand he has sharp criticism about the information services provided by Israel.’ He is ‘well-connected to [British] politics, and in recent months he has been one of the businessmen and contributors with very close relations with David Cameron, the Conservative candidate for Prime Minister, who, according to surveys, is viewed as certain to be elected. The evening of the day he is being interviewed, he asks to finish by 18:00 because, at 19:00 he is participating in a meeting of a select few with Cameron.””

    David CAMERON? Who HE???

  41. Mary…some years ago I was a reluctant “guest” of Charles Taylor in Liberia..I was working for a humanitarian organisation at the time and was detained along with an American collegue for 4 days…My office in UK contacted the FCO for assistance and was told by them to refer to the FCO Travel Advisory that said that travel to Liberia was strongly discouraged, so basically, tough shit, and they were given the usual brush off and given the telephone number of the BHC in Freetown, hundreds of miles away in the next country…they were just as helpful.

    The American Embassy in Monrovia called in Taylor’s representative and basically told him, “You return our citizen or we will send in the fucking Marines to get him”
    Surprise surprise we were released with apologies the next day.

    Maybe Craig can shed some light on the attitudes of the FCO on what they can and cannot do, though I must admit I had nothing but admiration for the Embassy staff when I landed in Indonesia after the Tsunami, they were incredibly helpful in assisting with clearing my emergency response equipment through the airport.

  42. Komodo, if you can’t see them its because today was very low flying on the agenda, Tornado seen flying at 50 mtr.s hight over Rockland St. mar, I could not see it but heard them scream past, my son did see them and they were not made of chocolate.

    Gosh what have I missed today, all this excellent activity, had to earn a crust, its not getting easier.

    Thanks for the great links Mary, Mark and komodo, Mark seems to be running on warp speed today :) beam me up scottie!

  43. Yes, Ingo, I was surrounded by buildings at the time, At a different location, I can now hear F-18’s or something similar, probably doing long circuits and bumps from Marham. They’re above the low continuous cloud unfortunately.

    Given that the mainstream media here are not doing much research on the Fox story and are playing it simply as “rather inappropriate chap tagging along with, like, oh our god, a minister of state, I think it would be a good idea to make sure as many blogs and fora as possible are aware of Zabludowicz’ generosity to the Conservatives, to Conservative Friends of Israel and to BICOM, as well as his close pre-election connection with our esteemed Prime Minister. Atlantic Bridge was only shut down last week. This too is relevant.

  44. No wonder I call it ZBC.
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    BBC’s Paul Danahar empathises with feelings for one captured Israeli soldier rather than for Palestinian prisoners:

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    Paul Danahar BBC Middle East Bureau Editor
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    ‘It is hard to overstate how important the fate of Gilad Shalit is to Israel.
    Almost every family in the country has a son or daughter serving in the military.
    Shalit’s capture resonates with them all.
    He is probably the most recognisable figure in the country.
    It is for that reason that the government is ready to swap him for – according to Hamas officials -1,000 Palestinians held in Israeli jails.’
    .
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15267100
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    Danahasr is deliberately quoting a figure of 1,000 prisoners for the exchange so that an uninformed reader might think that is the total number in the whole of Israel. Elsewhere he says that there are 5,000. Another lie. There are actually over 10,000 Palestinians in Israel’s jails, including hundreds of children.

  45. Last time I checked the IDF had managed to kill quite close to 100 Palestinians for every Israeli killed in the course of the intifadas and the illegal blockade of Gaza. So the rate for prisoners is ten times even that? That will be because prisoners have – usually – to be kept alive, and cost money, I guess. Always follow the money….

  46. C3PO,

    Just back. This post was an elaborate red herring which I can’t explain further for obvious reasons. Got the info but too knackered to post till morning.

  47. I hate it when you play politics…I was looking foreward to a chase in a Ferrari, a shootout with various MI6 agents, probably a kidnapping, something involving the SAS and DELTA and a reloication to a secret villa somewhere in Sarajevo….maybe some dodgee deals with Tim Spicer and at least some blood diamonds thrown in..Ho Hum..I will probably have to settle for a nice bottle of Chilean Red when I stay at your place after Elaine and I get back from Vegas ..will send you an e mail later…

  48. The papers are still leading with further details of Fox’s and Werrity’s junketing but the BBC put the story at about number 6 after Jo Yeates’ murder trial. They made it sound very ordinary as if it was an every day occurrence. They led with some fiction from the US about Iran conspiring to murder the Saudi Ambassador to the US.
    .
    It is given low billing on their website too. ‘Liam Fox ‘row’ distracting for the MOD staff’ says Patrick Mercer.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15252269
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    PS Mercern ex Army is another Tory two timing good egg and then left his mistress in the lurch.
    {http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1297433/Tory-MP-Patrick-Mercers-spurned-lover-demands-8k-furnishing-love-nest.html}

  49. “No wonder I call it ZBC.”
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    You call it that because you’re a bit of a crank. It’s no different from those that call it Al-Beeb for a similarly perceived anti-Israeli bias at the BBC.
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    “BBC’s Paul Danahar empathises with feelings for one captured Israeli soldier rather than for Palestinian prisoners”
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    Again, this suggests an either/or choice. Why would anyone necessarily have blanket sympathy for all Palestinian prisoners when some of them are clearly terrorists?
    .
    Besides you are probably reading too much into the wording of the article as you usually do. This is a good deal for the Palestinians and may not be for the Israeli soldier’s family given that they don’t even know if he is alive. He was alive two years ago but things could have changed since then.
    .
    Somehow I doubt he’ll come back looking like Samir Quntar, the guy who smashed a child’s head with a rifle butt, sporting a natty Hitler moustache and looking like he was fresh off the Big Mac diet. He and four other Hizbollah fighters were swapped for some Israeli bodies. The families of those soldiers also didn’t know they were dead until the actual exchange took place.

  50. Aaron Anonymous

    12 Oct, 2011 - 5:49 am

    Hitler moustache? You’re being silly, Angrysoba. It’s a Stalin moustache.

    http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/15036384

  51. Aaron Anonymous

    12 Oct, 2011 - 5:54 am

    The families of those soldiers also didn’t know they were dead until the actual exchange took place.

    Another slight misrepresentation there – they were believed to be dead but it wasn’t proved until the corpses were returned and identified.

    “Israel had long said it believed them to have died in captivity but Hizbollah had always refused to confirm this.”

  52. Death on the Med.
    Refusal to air DEC appeal following Cast Lead massacre.
    Refusal to air Caryl Churchill’s play. Seven Jewish Children.
    Always Israel says….. in biased reporting
    Endless opportunities for Mark Regev to propagandize.
    Hardly ever hear or see a Palestinian on BBC radio or TV.
    .
    Just a few examples of the ZBC bias.
    .
    By the way two Palestinians had been killed the day before Shalit was captured. He was a tank gunner in the IDF who, from watchtowers and emplacements and even by remote control, carry out turkey shoots of Palestinians including farmers and even of young boys collecting gravel which is used to repair and rebuild demolished and bombed homes.
    .
    Even in this report, we have Israeli soldiers and Palestinian militants. The BBC have supported the cruel Occupation.
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    Gilad Shalit, then 19, was abducted by a joint force of Palestinian militants who burrowed to an Israeli army guard post on the Israeli side of the border with the southern Gaza Strip.
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    Two Israeli soldiers were killed during the raid near the Kerem Shalom checkpoint and three others were injured. Two Palestinian militants also died. Gilad Shalit – a tank gunner – was reported to have suffered shrapnel wounds to his hand and shoulder.
    .
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6238858.stm

  53. “Again, this suggests an either/or choice. Why would anyone necessarily have blanket sympathy for all Palestinian prisoners when some of them are clearly terrorists?”

    Why would one have sympathy for an exclusive Jewish state when it was founded by terrorists and still practises terrorism?

    Good question. But that’s just *my* opinion.

    :)

  54. Looking forward to Craig’s insights into the Werrity finances. I trust the rooftop flight from the automatic-toting MI6 guy was not too debilitating?

  55. One thing which is clear is that Werritty and Fox have a common interest in the defence industry. Do the Terms Of Reference of the inquiry extend to establishing whether they have a common interest in the music of the Village People? I’ve always wondered why it is the Westminster ‘Village’.

  56. Come on Craig, the suspense is killing us!

    The media coverage this morning switched to the trivial ‘is he gay’ (who cares?) rather than the ‘did he allow, or even pay for, an unelected, unaccountable, not-security cleared friend to make a lot of money for having privileged access to the Defense minister?’

  57. willyrobinson

    12 Oct, 2011 - 11:06 am

    Exactly what Sam said!
    .
    *starts slow hand clap*

  58. …and lie about it, and handle the affair so carelessly as not to be trusted with the MoD. Come on, the MoD, they have nukes and shit.


  59. “No wonder I call it ZBC.”
    .
    You call it that because you’re a bit of a crank. It’s no different from those that call it Al-Beeb for a similarly perceived anti-Israeli bias at the BBC.

    Angrysoba you call people cranks here because you are the resident asshole.

    People who call BBC Al-Beeb are simply peddling absurdity.

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/MSM#BBC_rejects_humanitarian_appeal

    BBC rejects humanitarian appeal

    In the 2008/2009 attack on Gaza by Israel known as Operation Cast Lead at least 1,417 people[8] (mostly women and children) were killed and more than 3,000 homes and hundreds of other properties, including factories, workshops, animal farms and orchards, as well as government buildings, police stations and prisons, were destroyed and more than 20,000 were damaged.[9][10]

    “The level of human suffering and destruction I saw today is, from any angle, heartbreaking. It is shocking that civilians suffered so disproportionately in this military operation”. UN Under-Secretary General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator John Holmes, 22 January 2009.

    The Disasters Emergency Committee launched a public appeal to support its humanitarian relief efforts in Gaza. [11] The BBC, alone among the UK MSM refused to broadcast it on grounds of “Upholding the BBC’s hard won reputation for impartiality” and stood firm in its decision despite widespread criticism.[12] [13]

  60. Angrysoba, it is unfeeling of you to call Mary “a bit of a crank”. On this very thread we have Mary’s own account of her anxiety, waiting for news of a relative whilst trying to get her own government to help after Israel had broken international law.
    .
    If you read Mary’s various accounts you will understand why Mary is particularly critical of pro-Israeli bias.

  61. Mary – The BBC News 24 this morning entertained the ‘Zionist Federation’ in their reporting of the prisoner release, in biased statement that included the ZF statement that Palestinian ‘terrorists’ and ‘suicide bombers’ have been released from Israeli jails in exchange for one Israeli soldier.
    .
    I have written again to the BBC Trustees, Mr John Hamer to remind him of this blatant bigotry and suggest that the neutrality of the BBC News 24 report is suspect and the information is based on propaganda and lies in much the same way as the ‘About Us’ ‘History’ headline on their website fails to reveal the real truth behind the so called ‘struggle’ to obtain a ‘permanent homeland for the Jewish people’.

  62. off the subject: a very good article in FPJ by Richard Falk. in there he refers also to John Tirman’s book :
    “The Deaths of Others: The Fate of Civilians in America’s Wars”

    http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2011/10/12/drone-attacks-american-citizens-and-foreign-civilians/

    Worth reading!

  63. Now here’s a funny thing:

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1318345045.html

    I was wondering about Todiha. It doesn’t mean anything in any likely language, and I can’t get a sensible anagram out of it.

    Werrity’s other company (both registered at the same Bermondsey maildrop) is Danscotia Consulting Ltd. Ideas?

  64. Off topic sorry.

    Three mobile company sell android phones plus all-you-can-eat-data, which up to now have been able to be tethered so that you can use the mobile as a modem for your laptop. Now Three are telling customers that only one, more expensive deal can be tethered, even if the other deals are technically capable of being used as a modem.
    They’ve done this before, telling customers that they cannot use cheaper products which can in fact be used with no problem.
    years ago they told us that the cheap pay-as-you-go phones could not be used for pay monthly sim-cards. Total rubbish. We put the sim cards in and everything worked fine.
    You can pull the wool over some of the people some of the time….

  65. One more and I’ll shut up for a bit. Werrity has a third company, UK Health Ltd. Like the other two it is registered at the address of its accountants (Elan & Co). None of the companies has more than £20 in share capital, UK Health has been dormant since 2009, and nothing seems to be going on in Danscotia either. Todiha was set up this year, so no accounts are visible. I’d guess these shells are simply to create an air of legitimacy for whatever W. chooses to print on his business cards. The guy’s a chancer extraordinaire…

  66. Craig you are a hero.

    There is something rotten in the state of affairs, that we the people whom are the underwriters of the expenses of the rich, and providers of their luxuriant life styles, are kept ignorant of.

    We need citizens like you whom have the means, and the balls to do the voodoo you do the best.

  67. yes, Angry, I’ve told you before about being unfeeling, not to mention untruthful, unfair, unreasonable, unethical, unrepentant, un…….

  68. Saudi ambassador alleged plot to assassinate – the charges:
    .
    http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2011/10/11/saudis.pdf

  69. Atlantic Bridge: The Political- Non Political “Charity” that never was.

    Chairman and founder:Liam Fox

    Advisory council:George Osborne, William Hague, Chris Grayling and Michael Gove.

    Adam Werritty, was “administrator” for Atlantic Bridge, or “UK. Executive Director”

    Gabby Bertin: “It was a think tank. We got charitable status. It was non-political. We were completely above board. I was the only employee.”

    “Gaby Bertin, Cameron’s press spokeswoman, confirmed that she had worked for Atlantic Bridge, the charity established by Liam Fox in opposition.

    She said she knew Werritty, but had not worked alongside him and had been the organisation’s sole employee as the charity got off the ground.

    She said the prime minister had no recollection of meeting Werritty, but could not guarantee there had been a chance meeting at some point.

    So if she was the sole employee at what point did she cease to be employed by “Atlantic Bridge”? And at what point did Werritty asume what we can only understand to have been her position: as administrator? She did not work “alongside him”, she claims, but there must taken place some form of “hand over” to him surely?

    Likewise, as sole administrator or Director or whatever, Wherritty doubtless would need to contact the “Advisory Council” for their “advice”, so, aside from Liam Fox, he clearly knew George Osborne, William Hague, Chris Grayling and Michael Gove, and of course Gabby Bertin: Camerons press spokeswoman.

    As such the notion that he had no dealings with Cameron himself is not believable. Gabby ” … could not guarantee there had been a chance meeting at some point.”

    Indeed she could not:The man knew half the frigging cabinet. A “chance meeting”? aye, right!

  70. To brighten up your day:
    read Glenn Greenwald on the very scary Iranian terror plot:
    http://politics.salon.com/2011/10/12/the_very_scary_iranian_terror_plot/

  71. Todiha. It doesn’t mean anything in any likely language, and I can’t get a sensible anagram out of it.

    I had to.

  72. Thanks, Q.

    You didn’t have to…

  73. Clark, “Angrysoba, it is unfeeling of you to call Mary “a bit of a crank”. On this very thread we have Mary’s own account of her anxiety, waiting for news of a relative whilst trying to get her own government to help after Israel had broken international law.”
    .
    We’re talking about different issues. Mary was talking about why she calls the BBC, the ZBC.

  74. Angrysoba, I feel a bit sick sometimes, and this is one of those occasions. On the Three Cheers For Ken Clarke thread, I admonshied Anno for being abusive to you. Very shortly after, on this thread, you were abusive to Mary. More fool me, eh?

  75. yes, Angry, I’ve told you before about being unfeeling, not to mention untruthful, unfair, unreasonable, unethical, unrepentant, un…….

    .
    No you haven’t. But if you think you have you will turn up those quotes shortly, right?
    .
    You have called me a racist and I asked you to take back such an accusation. If you thought the accusation was serious then you wouldn’t make it unless you had proper evidence. I know that you don’t and I know that you won’t engage me on that charge because you have no case to make.

  76. Thanks Nuid – When all else fails invoke some foiled terrorist act and call it ‘an act of war’. Certainly Past its sell buy date to a rational, balance and cognitive mind. Roll on 2012 and Ron Paul – lets get some sanity in the White-House please before everyone loses their minds.

  77. Angrysoba, I feel a bit sick sometimes, and this is one of those occasions. On the Three Cheers For Ken Clarke thread, I admonshied Anno for being abusive to you. Very shortly after, on this thread, you were abusive to Mary. More fool me, eh?

    .
    Hi Clark,
    .
    Your “admonishment” of Anno involved explaining why I was one of God’s creatures gone wrong. You didn’t believe what you were saying yourself so I think you were being rather patronising to Anno. Not that I mind that, of course, but I would rather you simply point out, as I asked you to do, what I said or have done which is racist. Anno felt free to call me a racist and hasn’t explained what evidence he has for saying that of me. You have simply ignored the charge.
    .
    I did appreciate your very gentle admonishment of Anno and I thought it would have been churlish of me to point out that your admonishment was “disproportionate”, to use that fashionable term, to his vitriol. Yet now you tell me that I make you sick. Sorry about that.

  78. Thank heavens for Craig Murray!

  79. Anno: You forgot “unwelcome”.
    .
    I recall the BBC reporting on a poor Israeli policeman who shot himself, just as Sarkozy was getting on board his plane to leave. The BBC reporter announced ominously that this brought back bad memories in Israel, because at a state function back in ’95 “a gunman” shot Yitzak Rabin.
    .
    Not a fanatical Zionist Israeli freak who hated Rabin because the latter actually was interested in peace, no – “a gunman”, with the full implication that it must have been one of those murderous Arabs.
    .
    Incidentally, I don’t recall reading anything about the assassin’s family home being bulldozed, everyone he knows arrested, his entire town being subjected to collective punishment (including being surrounded by an electrified fence topped with razor wire). His town – as far as I know – was not cut off from medical, food and electricity supplies, the water supply was not polluted, nor was it subjected to strict curfews. Nor did the IDF go stomping around the assassin’s town, ransacking houses and public buildings, and packing off citizens by the hundreds for DNA tests and interrogation.
    .
    Nor, indeed, was the occasion commemorated as a stop-off point for organised tours from the likes of ‘Americans for a Safer Israel’.
    .
    The above is the standard treatment when a Palestinian goes mad and kills a “settler”, but for reasons of space no doubt, the BBC fails to report this form of collective punishment (prohibited under article 33 of the Geneva Conventions).

  80. Glennder Bender: Anno: You forgot “unwelcome”.
    .
    He didn’t because Craig Murray has said that I am welcome here.
    .
    I recall the BBC reporting on a poor Israeli policeman who shot himself, just as Sarkozy was getting on board his plane to leave. The BBC reporter announced ominously that this brought back bad memories in Israel, because at a state function back in ’95 “a gunman” shot Yitzak Rabin.
    .
    Not a fanatical Zionist Israeli freak who hated Rabin because the latter actually was interested in peace, no – “a gunman”, with the full implication that it must have been one of those murderous Arabs.

    .
    It doesn’t really show Glenn is a very serious person with a tight grip on sanity when he thinks the BBC should be announcing headlines such as “Fanatical Zionist Israeli Freak Kills Rabin”
    .
    Because in Glenn’s mind “gunman” equals “murderous Arab” he thinks that that is an equation everyone else makes.

  81. Well, while Mr Murray is still asleep or whatever it looks like the plot is thickening.
    .
    Adam Werritty has been provided with a free desk by Michael Hintze, the founder of the CQS hedge fund, at the company’s London base.

    Mr Werritty, who has held meetings with Dr Fox 40 times since the election, despite having no official Whitehall role is also said to have boasted to a former girlfriend that he was financed by Conservative Party donors.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/8821209/Liam-Foxs-friend-Adam-Werritty-linked-to-Conservative-donor.html

  82. And a different one here:
    .
    Liam Fox’s claim that Adam Werritty was operating in “a private capacity” when the men met twice in Dubai this year has been thrown into fresh doubt by hotel records seen by the Guardian.

    They reveal that Werritty booked into the five-star Shangri-La hotel earlier this year describing his position as “office of Dr Liam Fox” and naming his company as “Atlantic Bridge”, the defence secretary’s controversial rightwing charity which had close links to a group of powerful American business lobbyists.


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/oct/11/hotel-records-cast-doubt-liam-fox

  83. Holy Mother! What’s going on?
    .
    Senior Israeli diplomats believed that Adam Werritty was an official adviser to the Defence Secretary Liam Fox when the pair attended a top-level conference that discussed sanctions against Iran, The Independent has learned. Mr Werritty organised a dinner during the Herzliya conference in Israel in February this year for politicians and senior officials, which was attended by the Defence Secretary and Matthew Gould, the British ambassador. But he did it without any UK diplomats in the country being involved in the arrangements, it is claimed.


    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/adviser-adam-werritty-joined-liam-fox-at-talks-on-iran-sanctions-2369225.html

  84. “Because in Glenn’s mind “gunman” equals “murderous Arab” he thinks that that is an equation everyone else makes.”

    Peddling absurdity again – We know perfectly well that is not Glenn’s understanding of the term ‘gunman’ And in the case Glenn described, the BBC *did* conceal the truth about by omitting the very relevant detail that the gunman was contrary to common expectations – Zionist, not Palestinian.

    Google:palestinian gunman site:bbc.co.uk >1000+ results

  85. “Glennder Bender”?? – Oh dear, my pathetic little noodle with anger management issues, you wound so! You’re almost up to primary school standards of insult. Have you been hitting the bottle overly hard of late? Of course not, given you’re such a really serious person an’ all .
    .
    Stamp your angry little foot and demand that you are welcome all you like, facts are facts. CM said that Larry was welcome too, and we all know how welcome he really is. Fascinating that you take CM’s word as read all of a sudden.
    .
    Four posts from you on the trot! Trying to blow smoke over your childish and unpleasant behaviour or something?

  86. Glenn: Oh dear, my pathetic little noodle with anger management issues, you wound so! You’re almost up to primary school standards of insult. Have you been hitting the bottle overly hard of late? Of course not, given you’re such a really serious person an’ all .

    .
    I don’t think you detect the difference between anger and mockery very well. Next time I’d better write *I’m laughing at you* alongside my nickname for you.
    .
    Stamp your angry little foot and demand that you are welcome all you like, facts are facts. CM said that Larry was welcome too, and we all know how welcome he really is.
    .
    I’m not making any demands my little snookums. “CM”, as you call him, later made a post saying Larry was banned whereas earlier he had said explicitly that we were both welcome. He reiterated that he meant welcome. Of course, Larry turned out to be less than welcome but I don’t recall such sentiments put my way.
    .
    Fascinating that you take CM’s word as read all of a sudden.

    .
    Well, facts are facts, as you so rightly put it (always a first time; how does it feel to have popped your cherry?) and, your false sense of propriety notwithstanding, it is up to him to say who is welcome or not.

  87. “yes, Angry, I’ve told you before about being unfeeling, not to mention untruthful, unfair, unreasonable, unethical, unrepentant, un…….”
    .
    Encapsulate, please – uninteresting might cover it all. Except it’s rather interesting that he (she/it/them) takes part here at all. Like a donkey in a ballet, no self-awareness.
    .
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7311990.stm
    .
    Quote: “Tatyana Solomatina of St Petersburg Zoo [..] said the donkey always knew the correct time to appear on stage and required no prompting.”

  88. Crabs: Peddling absurdity again – We know perfectly well that is not Glenn’s understanding of the term ‘gunman’
    .
    Then he has no right making such an insinuation about others. Well, unless he assumes he is simply better than other people which wouldn’t surprise me as he is the supercilious sort.
    .
    And in the case Glenn described, the BBC *did* conceal the truth about by omitting the very relevant detail that the gunman was contrary to common expectations – Zionist, not Palestinian.

    .
    Right, so the BBC expected to fool everyone into thinking that Yitzak Rabin was killed by a Palestinian? Sure thing. That must have made the trial a bit difficult to report. Of course there is a possiblility, if you can grasp it, that initial reports were quite accurate that he was killed by “a gunman”. Is this such a radical thing to say? Do you suppose that, as Glenn suggests, the BBC should have announced within minutes of the assassination, “fanatical Zionist Israeli freak Kills Rabin!”?

  89. Vronsky: Like a donkey in a ballet, no self-awareness.

    .
    I quite like that. But then I would.

  90. Thanks for your remarks Clark, Crab, Mark and others. I did not respond to Angry’s ad hominem directly as there is little point in getting into a slanging match. A wish for justice for the Palestinians and peace is at my core so perhaps that makes me ‘a crank’. Some truth would be good too.

    .
    I was out today and went to Bethnal Green to see May Ayres’ haunting and impressive ceramic sculptures, entitled God’s Wars. She has Negroponte slumped in a chair, the personification of evil, Blair too (with two faces) kneeling with clasped hands and praying amongst dismembered body parts laid like a jigsaw on the ground around him, Abu Ghraib brought to life with the torturer and the tortured, ‘Amal, the Palestinian girl pulled out of the rubble of Gaza after the Israeli invasion of Cast Lead in 2009, with shrapnel embedded in her aching head for ever’, Fallujah, and on and on. The exhibition at St John’s church is closing on 16th October and will be open on Saturday and Sunday. Do go if you have the chance. I gasped out loud at the one of Blair which you see first as you come to the top of a winding staircase. An indictment of war and horror if ever there was one.
    http://www.cageprisoners.com/our-work/opinion-editorial/item/2180-unforgettable

    .
    I then went to the Tate Modern by way of the Millennium Bridge which was sparkling in the bright Autumn sunlight and, amongst many exhibits, saw some photographs by a French war photographer, Luc Delahaye. Only three large format panoramas but very memorable – Jenin Refugee Camp after an Israeli attack in 2002, a plain in Afghanistan after a US bomb attack and the Palestine Hotel in Baghdad.
    {http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2011/aug/09/luc-delahaye-war-photography-art}

  91. If you tell people ‘a gunman killed the Israeli President’ – the popular assumption will be that it was an anti-Israeli gunman (of the Palestinian kind). That is basic knowledge of state of popular awareness, not “insinuation”.
    Off course the BBC didnt expect to fool everyone by omitting the remarkable detail. But it fools plenty of people who pay attention in good faith.

  92. Excellent work Craig.

  93. Propaganda for Iran war moves up a notch

    Postby Dunnadd on Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:19 pm
    So the story this time is that the Iranian government tried to assassinate the Saudi and Israeli ambassadors in the US, by contracting it to a Mexican drug cartel, which agreed to take the entire US government on for $500,000, despite the fact it likely makes that much in a week – and the US Vice President is on TV telling people what a genuine and serious threat this was and trying to persuade other members of the UN to back more sanctions on Iran on the basis of it?

    How can anyone take this seriously? What would the benefits to either the Iranian government or the Mexican drug cartel? Only the US, the Saudis and the Israelis would gain from it – in getting good propaganda for war on Iran.

  94. I see the news is currently dominated by anonymous reports that Werritty was supported by donations from unknown wealthy pro-Israeli, pro-US sympathizers with no lobbying intent … as if he was merely some kind of sponsored best pal. It lacks plausibility. I think it could be evidence of the ruse that Mr Murray was referring to, cooked up by the FCO like some kind of lame schoolboy excuse. It could backfire spectacularly.
    .
    BTW, I wish you lot would cease the ad hominem bickering. IMHO the majority of Angrysoba’s contributions are very welcome. His counterarguments disrupt the tendency towards gleeful back-slapping amongst commentators of the same political leaning. (Let’s have more donkeys in ballets! It would be more authentic and down to earth than those poncey wankers prancing about in tights.) If you disagree with Angrysoba’s opinions, argue with them, don’t simply deny his right to voice them. It’s better for others to read your contrary opinions than to listen on conspiratorial polemics. FWIW, I don’t think Angrysoba’s jibes are any more harsh than the salvos launched against him (although his record is far from spotless). And if anyone is going to launch a personal attack questioning my motives for defending his right to free speech, please pause for a moment of careful self-reflection. How about focusing on Fox and Werritty instead?

  95. What CD said. The personal insults don’t belong on a blog like this, in the opinion of this noob. Issues and info, please.

  96. “I have now taken out a formal SNP membership”

    http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Alex+Salmond+Chinese+Vice+Premier+Li+Keqiang+T80EGA31ASIl.jpg

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/26/monks-burn-themselves-tibet

    “Human Rights Activist”

    1 plus 1 plus 1 plus 1 =
    .
    [Mod: duplicates deleted]

  97. “…unknown wealthy pro-Israeli, pro – US sympathisers….”

    Zabludowicz, Hintze and Lewis, perhaps? Or maybe some of the Atlantic Bridge, Inc (still extant over there) gang. Richard Perle for instance.

    I see a spokeswoman has stated that AB’s (UK) “charitable” funds have been transferred to another charity with similar objectives. So the scam continues.

  98. unless its true, dunc.

  99. More on the American neocon connection here:

    http://www.prwatch.org/news/2011/10/11061/alec-tied-british-political-scandal

    And see: Trevor Pears….

  100. There may have been a plot Dlj, or there may not. Either way no-one senior in the Iranian government was involved – the senior ranks of the Republican Guard and the Ayatollahs have shown that given the choices of being overthrown or killes or backing down – they back down – e.g Khomeini making peace with Saddam in 1988.

    It’s quite possible there was a plot in which the FBI came up with the entire idea and got some modestly wealthy gullible Iranian Americans to agree to it – they’ve been doing the same with Al Qa’ida inspired plots in the US with American Muslims in multiple cases. It gets the officers involved a conviction and a boost to their career and it’s easy to do.

    e.g
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/29/fbi-entrapment-rezwan-ferdaus

  101. “His counterarguments disrupt the tendency towards gleeful back-slapping amongst commentators of the same political leaning.”
    .
    Couldn’t agree more. Not so much back-slapping, but the “me too, me too” around here has got a little boring. Interruptions from Eddie and Alan and that Charles Crawford bloke are/would be welcome these days. My two pence.

  102. Dual-allegiance PM:

    http://www2.cfoi.co.uk/Blogs/

    (second piece on page)

    Crawling, abject c**t.

  103. I have something to get off my shell, about people getting things off their shells, about people getting things off their shells. Anything lacking in blatant fallacy, type it Angrysoba supporters!

  104. Nuid: That’s all very well, mate, but you can hear the establishment line trotted out pretty much everywhere else. All the MSM. All the government lines of communication (such as the BBC). Every newspaper, with rare exceptions here and there.
    .
    What you don’t hear on the BBC etc. is alternative views – you get the right debating the far right on virtually all Moral Maze/ Question Time type discussion programmes, and this is most particularly true in the US.
    .
    Yet when a genuinely open discussion among progressives takes place, it’s suddenly vitally important that “alternatives” are wheeled in to give their views. This isn’t a place for a lot of back slapping, although I don’t see why respect for another’s post has to be completely hidden.
    .
    Maybe you could explain why it’s so necessary for the establishment line to be trotted out _everywhere_ ? Eddie, Alan, Crawford, Angry – that’s all they ever do, give the same unwavering establishment line. Don’t you get enough of that as it is?

  105. “I leave home to meet them, by an unorthodox route and method of transport”……. TRAM?

  106. “Maybe you could explain why it’s so necessary for the establishment line to be trotted out _everywhere_ ?”
    .
    It’s not. But there has been a certain sameness here for a while, IMO. I think it does no harm for progressives to be forced to defend their positions from time to time, instead of simply reinforcing each other. Arguments are good for us, that’s what I’m saying. When they’re not slanging matches, that is.

  107. I agree Nuid – though AngrySoba has done some slanging of his own in the past, we definitely need to have real debates with people with different points of view. Otherwise both sides might miss flaws in their arguments, or other possible explanations of the facts – and miss out on sources and reports that might suggest things are more complicated or different from the way they’d thought they were.

  108. “… Do you suppose that, as Glenn suggests, the BBC should have announced within minutes of the assassination, “fanatical Zionist Israeli freak Kills Rabin!”?

    By now the BBC ought to be pointing out that the “fanatical zionist, freak”‘s colleagues are now part of the Israeli government. And that the assassination has proved to be a political triumph.

  109. Sure, I certainly don’t mind having to defend/ argue a position. But you’ll note that – in this thread, for example – not one single point of substance was directed at my post about the way Israeli terrorism is reported, and the huge disparity between the way Palestinians are treated compared with their Israeli counterparts when criminal acts are perpetrated. All that I described about collective punishment – and far more – being a case in point, when it occurred in Awarta, Palestine, just recently.
    .
    That is something that deserves attention. But instead of _any_ comment about that at all, I get the some infantile yah-booing concerning my rather ordinary name, for god’s sake. Sure, let’s have serious discussion, see where it ends up. But we don’t get that very often – it’s usually appeals to authority, invective, and argument by incredulity.
    *
    .
    Hmm. Hmm. Thinks.
    .
    .
    We’ve tried it before, but we should always willing to give it another shot. AS – sorry for my past insults to you. I’ve gone out of my way to lay one on you, more than was strictly necessary. Perhaps we can let bygones be just that in the interests of achieving some genuine discussion. We obviously share similar interests, albeit from different angles. It shouldn’t have become so personal – my failing.

  110. I got to the bottom line of Three’s marketing policy on ‘all you can eat data’. You can no longer get ‘all you can eat’ on cheaper tariffs than £25 p.m. and if you try to use the mobile to get internet for your computer they will close your service down.
    ‘All-you-can-eat’ is now a totally misleading marketing slogan and possibly breaks the law under the Trade Description Act.
    O2 were more honest, and changed their version of all you can eat for lower tariffs to a limit of 2GB. Three have been misleading before, I’m afraid.

    A bit like Angrysoba. He is a 2GB cheerleader for the ALL YOU CAN EAT war criminals of our time. He is a modest and friendly supporter of far right politics which having wiped off the blood of Libya like tomato ketchup, are eagerly tucking into the latest false flag op against a Muslim country, this latest tripe about assassination plots from Iran.
    Liberals on this blog love to defend the far right’s right to speak, and complain about too much ganging up against them.
    That’s fine. Keep the tomato ketchup for the chips and stop bringing up the realities of being on the receiving end of modern munitions. It wasn’t British before and it’s now rather un-American to focus on the victims of global power terror all the time.

  111. Anno: With regard to the new false-flag pseudo-op against Iran, you might be interested in the following:
    .
    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/10/11/iranian-terror-plot-fake-fake-fake/
    .
    Here’s an extract:
    —-start
    This story is very scary – not because it’s credible, or believable, because it is neither. However, it’s the most frightening story I’ve heard in quite a while because it shows that the US government is bound and determined to go to war with Iran, no matter what the consequences. Throwing caution to the winds, our rulers have decided to go all out against Tehran – all the better to mask our current economic malaise under the damage done by the tripling and quadrupling of oil prices. This way, Obama can blame our crashing economy on Tehran, rather than his own discredited policies – and sideline the Republicans, who have been criticizing him for being “soft” on Iran.
    —-end

  112. Aaron Anonymous

    13 Oct, 2011 - 2:58 am

    Come on, anyone who describes Samir Kuntar’s handlebar moustache as a a ‘Hitler moustache’ can’t be taken seriously. Perhaps lefties are sometimes too tolerant of obvious trolls.

  113. [Jon/mod – news article about mobile phones, definitely off-topic]

  114. Yesterday must have been dogfighting day, despite the drizzle I could hear them whilst fixing the shed roof. Our bovver boys without mandate are planning another military diversion from the misery they created.

    Liam Fox is hampering the MOD with his denial, his work is now seriously compromised and we can expect him to take huis hate soon. The MOD are seemingly not happy with pink dispatch boxes and want him out.
    CFI are right up to their neck in it, not surprisingly, defesne is a portfolio Mossad was always interested in.
    A simple explanation here.
    http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/concepts_israeli_covert.html

    and most recently in 2007 when they took the boats they had paid for in a daring raid.
    http://militarynuts.com/ar/t1249.htm

  115. Glenn,
    .
    Your offer of a truce and your apology is both generous and gracious. In turn I should of course apologize for making fun of your name and for my own insults. But if Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat can shake hands and engage in dialogue then we should be able to put our own relatively minor differences to one side and be able to do the same. So I accept your olive branch, sir, and try to do better in future.
    .
    Mary,
    .
    I also owe you an apology for being insensitive. While I don’t agree with you a lot of the time I should have taken into consideration the harrowing events your brother experienced and I shouldn’t have called you a crank. Sorry for that.
    .
    Crab, sorry I mocked your name.
    .
    Aaron Anonymous,
    .
    Samir Kuntar seems to trim his moustache to different lengths at different times. Let’s say that if he had been at the signing of the Nazi-Soviet pact he could have plausibly fit in on either side of the table.

  116. So I accept your olive branch, sir, and try to do better in future.

    .
    Should read, “I accept your olive branch, sir, and I will try to do better in future.”

  117. Aaron Anonymous

    13 Oct, 2011 - 2:51 pm

    Angrysoba

    Can you post a link to a picture of Kuntar with a Hitler moustache?

    I don’t see anything like that here, nor indeed much variation:

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1331&bih=651&q=samir+kuntar

    Your comment implied he had one when released by Israel. The picture in the article I posted was taken that day.

  118. Sure,

    This is Hitler: http://tinyurl.com/3zgdpdv

  119. Angrysoba: Thank you for responding in the spirit intended. We will – I trust! – disagree on many matters in the future, surely we can do so without rancour. And I’ll try do better in future, as you suggest ;)
    .
    As you mentioned, if people here can’t put aside differences and at least disagree with each other in a civil fashion, there’s not much hope for people with major grievances and losses going back generations or even centuries. I daresay we’ll piss each other off from time to time, keep remembering that it shouldn’t become personal.

  120. Angrysoba, you didn’t make me feel sick; that weakness is within myself. I don’t regard you as “one of God’s creatures gone wrong”; I place a high value upon diversity. And I do believe the things I wrote to Anno; it is just that my idea of “God” is rather different from both yours and his.

  121. Aaron Anonymous

    14 Oct, 2011 - 5:51 am

    Angrysoba
    Now you’re just being silly. You said ‘A Hitler Moustache’ – not ‘an ordinary, full moustache something like Hitler once had as a young man’ – what would be the relevance of that on his release from jail in Israel?
    .
    Samir Kuntar seems to trim his moustache to different lengths at different times. Let’s say that if he had been at the signing of the Nazi-Soviet pact he could have plausibly fit in on either side of the table.
    .
    Go on then, defend that comment. Meantime I shall regard you as the troll you plainly are.

  122. It’s very common to have a moustache of some kind with Arab men, an old Iraqi friend tells me it’s pretty much seen as a sign of manhood in many circles (including his own). There’s no political relevance attached to having one.

  123. Aha! I see that other commenters are working out how to have the Dark Glasses. Now we want a method of getting avatars with Hitler ‘tashes!

  124. I see Craig riding a donkey, rather like Nasiruddin Hodja. Riding a donkey, meeting a mole. Yes. Since Nasiruddin and his donkey were deeply wise (but pretended to be fools), so perhaps donkey ballet would be enthralling and intriguing. Let’s have a dvd of donkey ballet!

  125. Go on then, defend that comment. Meantime I shall regard you as the troll you plainly are.

    .
    Well, that’s my day ruined *eye-roll*. Be sure to also update us when you pick your nose and/or dress in ladies’ clothes. In my experience the best thing to do with trolls is ignore them given that the nature of the troll is to attract attention and rub the thin-skinned up the wrong way.

  126. Britain is totally controlled by the Rothschild’s. Check all of your politicians backgrounds and you will find Jews everywhere. Millibands are Jewish, I believe their Grandfather was a Rabbi. Cameron comes from Jewish stock. Of course they are in bed with Israel, there is a lot of money to be spread around. Why do you think Mandelson is always “appointable”, because he is Rothschild’s gofer and spy. Wake Up!

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