Unsurprisingly, today at the Court of Session Lord Young refused to lift his suspension or “sist” of the Scottish judicial review of the proscription of Palestine Action. He did however grant us leave to appeal against this decision.
What was surprising was an extreme extension of the UK government’s argument.
The UK government stated that Huda Ammori in England and Craig Murray in Scotland are the same litigant, because both are in essence representing Palestine Action. This case therefore is Res Judicata – a matter already judged. It has been decided in London by the Court of Appeal of England and Wales.
This is an astonishing claim. A matter decided in another jurisdiction cannot be Res Judicata. The Labour government is here asserting in terms that the High Court of England and Wales has jurisdiction over Scotland.
This would of course be in direct breach of the Act and Treaties of Union. That this is no misunderstanding was underlined in court by use of the words “Antiquarian” and “Desuetude” in relation to “18th Century legislation”.
The Crown had already made the argument of “comity” in the previous hearings, and Lord Young had accepted the principle of “comity” in his ruling suspending the Scottish judicial review. “Comity” is the principle that neighbouring jurisdictions should seek to adopt the same approach out of mutual respect. But here the Labour government went much further and is denying the right of the Scottish courts to decide differently.
The UK government did not merely invite the Court of Session to follow the English decision out of comity. It argued that the matter is already res judicata — that because both proceedings are, in substance, brought by Palestine Action, the Court of Appeal’s ruling in England has already determined the issue for Scotland as well. This is a much more radical position than has normally been taken between the two jurisdictions.
If accepted, this argument would mean that the finality of Scottish judicial review proceedings in reserved matters could be determined in London. That would represent a significant practical shift in the relationship between the two legal systems that have coexisted since the Union.
This is of course consistent with Andy Burnham’s declared intention to reduce the powers of the Scottish parliament and introduce more direct funding from London to Scottish councils, and his questioning of the Barnett financial settlement. The Labour Party is adopting aggressive unionism.
Incidentally Lord Young today denied that “comity” had been his primary reason for suspending the judicial review. Having sat through that hearing and ruling, I have to say, you could have fooled me. It appeared plainly his primary reason. If that wasn’t it, I have no idea what his motive was. Pretty well the only other reason he gave was to save money on the cost of a judicial review.
Which I suspect is a lot less than the cost of banging up in jail a lot of mostly elderly people for the “terrorism” offence of holding placards.
This case has revealed in startling detail the contempt for Scotland of the Labour Party. It was demonstrated brazenly when Nepo baby Catherine Smith KC, Advocate General for Scotland (a UK govt minister) told the last hearing that CONTEST Scotland, the Scottish government’s counter terrorism strategy organisation which includes Police Scotland, the Crown Office and the security services, was a “local board” whose opinion that Palestine Action did not meet the bar of terrorism could be ignored.
The disclosure papers reveal that nobody in Scotland was consulted by the Home Office before the proscription of Palestine Action. The Israeli Embassy were consulted, but the Scottish government were not. The arms industry was consulted, but Police Scotland were not. No civil society organisation in Scotland was consulted.
Yet policing and human rights are not reserved matters.
That lack of any consultation in Scotland is going to be a key point at the actual review, when we eventually get the Scottish judicial review.
Lord Young did not today accept the res judicata argument – that won’t even get to be heard unless we eventually get out of the endless procedural thicket into which he has deliberately steered the case.
We gained ground today. Lord Young clarified that the Scottish judicial review is paused until the Supreme Court decides whether it will hear the Ammori appeal, after which our judicial appeal may resume.
What the purpose of such a pause could be, other than to allow the Crown then to argue there is not time for a Scottish judicial review before the Supreme Court hearing, is entirely unclear to me. Our KC, Aidan O’Neal, at this point became as furious with the judge as I have ever seen a KC exhibit in court, decrying the “delay, delay, delay”.
But unless the Establishment stitches up a very quick Supreme Court hearing, there is a better chance we may finally get the Scottish judicial review than appeared likely yesterday. We also have the chance to appeal to get the Scottish judicial review running.
I have to say I am furious at the total lack of interest shown by the Scottish government and the SNP in this case. It is addressing fundamental constitutional questions and the UK government is directly seeking a maximalist unionist gain in reducing the autonomy of Scottish courts from London. But the Scottish government – which could have intervened in the case – has shown no interest whatsoever and is just pretending it is not happening.
The Scottish government has also had the ability this whole time to instruct Police Scotland that arresting people for holding placards is not a priority “crime”, and they should concentrate on burglary, rape and other such violence. But they have not done that either.
One consequence of this just being ordinary citizens against the unlimited resources of the state, and of the continued use of procedural devices to postpone the judicial review, is that we have simply run out of resources. The legal team told me on the steps of the court after today’s hearing that we simply do not have the funds to appeal against today’s decision.
In short, unless there is a substantial uptick in crowdfunding I am going to have to throw in the towel. I am very aware we cannot expect the same people to give again and again – and a great many of the 1800 people who donated so far are not in a good financial position themselves. It is also a real limitation that, as no big organisation is with us, the only real outreach is my own heavily shadowbanned social media.
But somehow we need to fight this.
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I’m sure a lot of us will do what we can, support-wise, however I would hope that the Scottish Legal sector realises this is a very important road that ‘England’ has chosen to go down, and that they should put their shoulders against that wheel in their own self-interest.
The Scottish Government themselves must also have woken up to the fact by now that Ms Catherine Smith KC shifted her guns at the opportune moment and has a much more super-national agenda in mind. (Only good thing in Scotland’s favour is she appears not to be the brightest sparkler in the box).
If this goes the wrong way, both separatists and unionists will suffer.
“This is an astonishing claim. A matter decided in another jurisdiction cannot be Res Judicata. The Labour government is here asserting in terms that the High Court of England and Wales has jurisdiction over Scotland.
This would of course be in direct breach of the Act and Treaties of Union. That this is no misunderstanding was underlined in court by use of the words “Antiquarian” and “Desuetude” in relation to “18th Century legislation”.”
England has breached the non-existent treaty on multiple occasions – do you actually think that after 300+ years of riding roughshod over Scotland that they give toss?
The below can only happen if the judiciary wants it to happen, and it does – the Scottish judiciary the COPFS and the Faculty of Advocates are holding Scotland in the false union.
So I wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised that the English Supreme court, has sent word up to the subservient Court of Session to do its bidding.
“Scottish judges are bound by English constitutional supremacy in reserved matters
This means..
national security
terrorism
foreign affairs
constitutional law
broadcasting
currency
defence
all override Scottish judicial discretion
The English Supreme Court sits above the Court of Session””
We Audited Scotland’s Senior Court. Here Is What Its Own Record Shows.
https://nitter.poast.org/i/article/2073919892781211722
And.
“How Scottish Judges Are Appointed Through the UK
(and why it breaches the Claim of Right)
Scotland’s judges are not appointed solely by Scotland.
This is the part most people don’t know and the part that breaks the Claim of Right principle that the people of Scotland are sovereign.
Here is the exact process, in plain language..
Step 1 A Scottish body recommends candidates
The Judicial Appointments Board for Scotland (JABS) selects suitable candidates.
This part is Scottish.
Step 2 The First Minister approves the recommendation
Still Scottish.?
Step 3 The appointment is made by the King
This is where the UK enters the picture.
Step 4 The King acts on the advice of UK ministers
This is the constitutional choke point.
It means
Every Scottish judge is formally appointed through a UK constitutional mechanism, not through the sovereignty of the Scottish people.
This contradicts the Claim of Right, which states.
Scotland’s people are sovereign
Scotland’s institutions derive authority from the people
England should have no constitutional role in Scottish judicial appointments”
A small donation on its way. Two good reasons -(i) against the proscription of PA, and (ii) to stand up for Scottish interests
The SNP/GOV is a totally spineless embarrassment to Scotland; one big, stupid. wobbly tutti-frutti blancmange of uselessness that wraps itself in Transbow ‘ previously loved ‘ motley & complies like an cowed-into-obedience cur with whatever domestic or geopolitical demented buffoonery the Stout Yeomen of Merry Olde City of London are barking at any given time, ie always.
” The Israeli Embassy were consulted, but the Scottish government were not. The arms industry was consulted, but Police Scotland were not. No civil society organisation in Scotland was consulted.”
The contempt is unabashed and the priorities clear, but would it have mattered if the Scottish Gov HAD been consulted? The chances of even the slightest objection to this – already decided ( by the Superior Power ie England-as-Britain ) legal outcome coming from any part of that Decent Salary Preservation Society that calls itself a Government or the * Scottish * Legal Establishment & Masons Club are precisely O.
Forget the colonial admin at Holyrood – Liberation and Salvo, will get us recognised on the international stage where it matters, but it takes time to gather the recognition required – though Scotland is making many powerful friends at the UN right now, I’d even go as far as to say that unofficially Scotland is seen as a colony of England’s by many UN members from the Global South.
Domestic politics at Holyrood won’t free us – only international recognition by other states will – and that is the goal.
Agreed, RoS, but it would def be an advantage if we had a Scottish Nationalist Party/Gov worthy of the name to push forward the findings & emphasis of Liberation & Salvo; rather than what we do have – a supposed ‘ Party of Independence ‘ either too cowardly or too complicit in preserving the * Union * fiction – or both – to do what is necessary
Yes Salvo/Liberation, Chris Thomson, our host Craig, Sara Salyer, Professor Robert Black and Alf Baird along with a host of others are doing this for Scotland for nothing, the treacherous SNP which we elected to obtain the restoration of our sovereignty, which has a barrel of taxpayers cash at their disposal, sold us out – so they must be bypassed – Holyrood is a creation of Westminster’s it serves Westminster, as do all the parties within it – as Alf Baird would have said – its a text book situation of colonialism in action.
So my question is ,why can’t we use the Bill of Rights to combat this superiority of the English courts , as it has been used in Parliament to stop Boris Johnson for example , surely if the Bill of rights supports the sovereignty of the Scottish people then how come the Supreme Court of England gets to overrule the Scottish legal system ? Does the Bill of Rights have any power to legally challenge these descions made by Lord Young
Or am I barking up the wrong tree here ?
A few ideas to drum up contributions:
Contact big human rights charities, especially if you know anyone on the inside, and see if you can get a large donation that way. I have Amnesty International UK in mind, and yes, I do say it through gritted teeth. They were crap on Assange/Wikileaks. But hope springs eternal.
Also, consider posting on Bluesky. I am not on there, but a friend of mine says that it reminds him “of Twitter before it was crap”. It is possible that the security services have not got the owners to install state-friendly surveillance and suppression in that platform. Maybe it is possible to get it to mirror your Twitter account, and from there, people can follow without being mysteriously unsubscribed.
The only thing that is certain is that if the police and security services are involved someone is going to be fitted up and another chunk of our freedoms will be eroded.
“Here’s one for my Scots colleagues, you’ll like this, NOT.
Reform UK has sparked outrage after putting forward plans which would criminalise election campaign materials in Gaelic and Scots. … Reform UK’s deputy leader Richard Tice brought forward the amendment. Reform MPs Lee Anderson, Sarah Pochin, Danny Kruger, Robert Jenrick, Andrew Rosindell, and Suella Braverman all backed it.”
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2026/07/14/gaelic-election-materials/
This is another instance of the unreason of the whole ‘ Reform in Scotland ‘ Psyopsesque exercise. In what way does a stance like this help that party’s electoral progress in Scotland? Why would they give prominence to such an unnecessary policy/threat?
I mean, I suppose it’s possible they may imagine this could tap into some deed-seated hatred/resentment in Scotland re Gaelic placenames and that language + the Scots language in general. It’s true that there are periodic upsurges of petty whining about those things, but, really, that comes from a minuscule demographic of knee-jerk complainers about ANYTHING that can be considered authentically Scottish, like two of the INDIGENOUS languages of Scotland – DUH! But, in reality, the vast majority of residents in Scotland couldn’t give a scintilla of fuck about such things, eg placenames in Gaelic ( which, let’s remember preceded their Anglicised equivalents ) or – even less so – someone writing something in those languages – typically in order to * spoil * – ballot papers.
Like anywhere else, Scotland has it’s share of ‘ self-loathing ( in the present instance ) Scots ‘ or simply people who are embarrassed/irritated by the use of what they consider inferior/archaic/provincial ( choose adjective of choice ) languages in what to them is simply the Northern part of Britain.
But for a VERY English party supposedly attempting to – ultimately – form a Government in Scotland to adopt a policy that at the very least insults a significant % of those it is trying to gain the support of – many of whom speak those very languages – makes absolutely zero sense.
If they use a double-barreled shotgun, they’d maybe be able to shoot both feet off simultaneously. GO Ticey, Jenzy, Krugzy et al get that gun loaded ASAP
Look at those supporters. Reform is giving Labour a serious run in the ‘I’m a more zionist shill than you’ race. Tel-Aviv backing both whorses in our fake democracy.
” whorses ” – excellent neologism. Stevie 🙂
A case of whorses for coarsees?
I suspect Ulster Unionism had a part in suggesting such a policy to Reform. Maybe Jeffrey Donaldson wrote a note of recommendation from his jail cell :D. Can’t have Sinn Fein writing stuff about his paedophilia in Irish. You know, that the DUP knew of the rumours but did absolutely nothing about it.
It’s not like it’s the first time this tactic has been used to suppress other languages and cultures within the isles. In fact it was a well used tactic by British oppressors all over their “empire.” (aided and abetted, it must be said, by Scots and Irish)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_Laws_(Ireland)
I note that it applies to election material only and doesn’t apply to welsh.
“a well used tactic by British oppressors all over their “empire.” (aided and abetted, it must be said, by Scots and Irish)”
Scots and Irish were hardly alone, cultural (or colonial) assimilation via statutory schooling in ‘English Studies’ was a reality for most colonized elites and native bourgeoisie in countries across the empire, their rush ‘to mimic the colonizer’ (Memmi) in order to put as much socio-economic distance between them and the mass of the native people.
It remains that (Scots) language and culture aye forms the basis o oor (Scottish) national identity, in spite of it not being taught in Scottish schools by our colonial institutions; peoples in self-determination conflict are always linguistically divided and the Scots nae different, the colonizer being well aware of this and the importance of indigenous language to identity and to the independence cause:
https://yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com/2021/07/04/paper-two-the-determinants-of-independence/
“Extreme unionism” in Scotland certainly has orange as its colour. Behind the extreme unionism is loyalism, which looks very similar indeed to its Ulster counterpart.
Calling the loyalists in Scotland, aka the extreme unionists, supporters of “English rule” doesn’t lay bare very well who they really are and what they’re in favour of.
They are lovers of the state, caste rule, the police, ascendancy, and discipline imposed with hatred and violence, and rather than adoring England or believing that England should rule Scotland they tend to believe in Scottish superiority – at least if one excludes Scottish Catholics (basically viewed as Irish) and less privileged Scottish proletarians (basically viewed as the scum of the earth) from the category of worthwhile human being. For evidence of this, ask whether these types tend to respect as their equals (let alone as their “superiors”!) English people from any part of society (other than the “Anglo-Scottish”, traditionalist, monarchist, Purdey rifle-toting, grouse-shooting posh – a very small group) who visit or live in Scotland.
Of course, if you are going to play the language card, it pays to be ‘prepared’, if you don’t want to look a complete tit.
https://www.gbnews.com/news/video-eu-sinn-fein-mep-irish-language-complaint-lynn-boylan
“Reform UK has sparked outrage after putting forward plans which would criminalise election campaign materials in Gaelic and Scots..”
That looks like an own goal, even if it were intended to be directed towards English supremacists (for whom it wouldn’t be needed anyway).
Reform has shot itself in the foot in Scotland, and so hindered its own prospects there, and hence in the whole of the UK. Isn’t it good to have something positive to report! 😁
It is an argument that the ruling English terrorists don’t take seriously themselves or they would have already arrested you as a Palestine Action “terrorist”.
The best thing that Young wrote in his ruling is that he errs in judgement. I think that is very useful.
Yvette Cooper is the latest genocidaire to try and evade accountability by parroting the People’s Andy line that Labour ‘got it wrong in the early stages’ on Gaza.
Yet the Labour zog is still classifying the people who got it right as terrorists.
Orwell’s ‘doublethink’.
Zoot: worldwide, a quarter of a million females are butchered by males (excluding wars, rapes, etc. which bump up the numbers consistently year on year). In ten years, that is 2.5 million women and girls murdered by one demographic. Explain when that becomes a genocide. In both India and China, upwards of 1 million female unborn babies are aborted annually for being female – no other reason. Explain when that becomes a genocide? Or is genocide only genocide when Israel is involved? Please explain the rationale?
I don’t buy for one second that you care about those women and girls. Just a pathetic effort to deflect from the livestreamed mass slaughter in Gaza. A systematic 3-year-long massacre of helpless people, mostly women and children, carried out with the aid of your own government.
Oh she cares about women, Zoot, but only white middle classish Western women, women who, in fact, are the safest women on the planet. She fantasises constantly about the ” terrible threat ” represented by ” Transwomen ” – who seem to populate and haunt her self-terrorised imagination – despite, I’m willing to bet, never, herself having had an experience of the nature she neurotically obsesses about – or is ever likely to have such an experience. Her reference here to non-European women is a feeble attempt to extend her ” great concern ” for women in general when she has never expressed a syllable of sympathy for the ACTUAL horror suffered by victims of the Israeli Genocide of Palestinians – not ABSTRACT ” 2.5 million women…..”. Easy to express sympathy for those nameless, out-of-sight victims than those whose unimaginable suffering has been ” livestreamed ” into our living rooms for the last 3 years. Though I suppose it’s just as easy to never look at such evidence and to tell yourself it’s all ” misinformation/ anti-Jew propaganda ” if it does come into your awareness, eh, Lorna.
She is like so many of these so-called Gender Critical people whose support for the barbarous Netanyahu Regime seems to be a product of their obsessive antipathy to anyone who supports ” Gender Identity Affirmation “, because a % of the latter also are Pro-Palestine – or more accurately….Anti-Genocide. As if it’s not possible to be against both the * Gender * nonsense AND the Genocide horror. Like ” rising GC star ” Kellie Jean…whatever, who cares sooooo much about women she’s was practically begging Farage to make her a electoral candidate for Reform: a party that if they ever get into Government will make ALL women’s lives even more fraught, more precarious, than they are now – and men’s lives also.
Yeah, she’s a regular peroxide De Beauvoir that one
She also resorts to another of the apologists’ attempted deflections, ie ” why are people picking on Israel’s misdeeds when there are plenty of other examples of such elsewhere ” ? One fuckin’ obvious reason is that EVERY WESTERN GOVERNMENT is/has/will aid and abet the inhumane treatment/elimination of Palestinians
Another is of the clear, indisputable, decades-long injustice of the situation. Yet one more is the truly awful effect on, eg the UK of it’s total slavish compliance with Israeli diktat – maybe she hasn’t noticed, but I haven’t seen pensioners getting arrested for carrying Pro-Trans Rights placards, though,yes, the same can’t be said for those carrying Pro-Palestine ones. What does that tell us about the priorities of the Brit State? Are events/circumstances in China and/or India having deleterious impacts on Civil Liberties here in the U.K?
What gets me is, not content with the 99.9% adherence to the despicable ” Israel’s right to defend itself ” narrative of the UK Political Class & MSM, people like ” Lorncal ” need to to come on here – one of the few remaining sites where any opposition to the Israeli inhumanity is still present – to attempt to advance her pitiful, shameful condoning of what will go down in History as one of the most brazen acts of genocidal ethnic cleansing of all time. Please fuck right off
Ha, ha, Robert. You really do lay it on thick. I was born into, if not poverty, something very close to it. I may well be classed as middle-class now, but I remember what it was like to have little. Your shameless sliding over the Hamas atrocities is what sickens me, Robert. Not once have you acknowledged that Israelis die and were taken hostage. I do not know whether Israel was right to attack Gaza, but ask yourself the question: why has no Arab state taken them in? I did know that Israel would act when it was ready. If over 2,000 Scots were wiped out and another 400+ taken hostage, would you sit back and let it all happen? No, don’t answer that.
Yes, there certainly was injustice during the Nakba. However, there was also injustice in the Arab nations attacking Israel. There was grave injustice done in the Nazi camps. Should the Jews have a free hand to murder Germans? The Jews had been promised a homeland and they already occupied a part of Palestine before 1945. The Massacre of Hebron was a massacre of Jews by Arabs, in about 1929, way before the Israeli state was formed. Shouldn’t anyone mention that?
When the WW II fighting died down, the British offered both sides a state of their own. The Israelis agreed, the Palestinians did not, although they would have had considerably more than Gaza. The Nakba was four Palestinian and Israeli generations ago. As I asked zootie, how long do you nurse a grudge? When do you accept that you are not going to get all you want, and settle for what you can get? By your logic, we should be murdering English people in Berwick because there appears to be no time limit.
I am a woman, zootie. I am also a Scot, zootie. I am not a Palestinian. Are you? Of course I care about all those murdered women and girls, but you evidently don’t. I should imagine that most of the Palestinians killed will have been women and children – non combatants. Have you made that distinction? The vast majority of women and girls killed in the world are not Palestinian.
Genocide has a specific meaning. Many conflicts fulfil the criteria, but you appear not to give a fig about them either. If Israel is not part of the imagined plot, you -and many others – are simply not interested in your fellow human beings – or, at least, that seems to be the impression you give. If I am wrong, I apologise. I ask again: do 2.5 million annual female deaths at the hands of men (not counting wars and conflicts) not count as a genocide of one half of the human race? Why have you not taken to the streets over that? Or over the deaths of Sudanese? Of Congolese? Of Yemenis?
My own government? I didn’t vote for them. Did you? Colonialism? Neither you nor I, probably, was born at the heyday of colonialism. What about French colonialism? German colonialism? African colonialism, Spanish colonialism? Portuguese colonialism? Most people alive today in those post colonial countries were not born then either, just as most Palestinians were not born during the Nakba. I wasn’t born when Highland Scots were evicted from their ancestral homes to make room for sheep. Were you? I wasn’t born when Berwick fell to Edward I, and every living creature, men, women, children, cats, dogs, sheep, cattle, goats were slaughtered, when every field of oats was torched. Were you? For how long do we nurse our wrath at past cruelties?
Hamas attacked Israeli kibbutzim. Hamas is Palestinian. Did they, in their ‘innocence’, not think for one minute that the Israels would come after them? Pretty dumb, eh? Look at all the deaths? For what? For another generation to feed on hatred and self-destruction? Where do you imagine Hamas got all the concrete necessary for the tunnels? Where do you imagine all the money handed over by the West went to, zootie? When the Israelis say “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth”, believe them, because they mean both your eyes and every tooth in your head. The Sabra (first generation Israelis after the camps) said: “We will never again walk submissively into the gas chambers. We will fight to the death”. Believe them. Hamas and the Palestinians didn’t.
” lorncal ” – ( why the pseudonym, are you terrified some ” transwoman ” might track you down and share a dressing room with you, ooooo the horror!! ) you’re not worth wasting any more time responding to. Anyone with any even basic awareness of the circumstances vis-a-vis the * creation * of the – England-as-Britain imposed – ‘ State of Israel ‘ knows why the events of October ‘ 23 happened; only morally sick people like you STILL attempt to justify the Israeli barbarity that followed, as if they did so in a political vacuum. And, you lying c88t, you know fine well because you were on the same WOS thread where/when I stated my complete * disapproval * ( as if I, as a resident of somewhere distant and not at all affected by the horror of life as Palestinian had any even vague first hand knowledge of what motivates people who are to do what they did ) of that event. So, inconclusion …..please fuck off even further. You, to me, are in the same category of dispicable disappointments as that other failure Sturgeon
Do you think “kibbutz” is a brand that retains a positive value in anyone’s mind? All it means is an armed fascist settlement on occupied territory, with those from whom the fascist thugs stole the land excluded. Often this type of settlement was established where the fascist army couldn’t advance any further in 1948-49. How’s it going with recruiting ignorant foreign youngsters to work in them, wages paid in meals and board only?
Do you have something against concentration camps in general? Because look at Gaza right now for an example rather than Poland in the 1940s.
If you have a big party outside the fence of a concentration camp, you’d better take the consequences if there’s a breakout.
@Lorncal – You sound unaware that whereas the organisation known as “Zionism” did mostly eff-all against the Hitlerite genocide of Jews, many Jews who weren’t Zionists did actually fight against it. Just as many Jews who weren’t Zionists had fought against the fascist government in Spain that also slaughtered a large number of people.
Here are some words by the Zionist scumbag David Ben-Gurion: “If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter”.
Then there was Nakam after WW2.
Supporters of the existence of the Occupation regime in Palestine should feel their mouths burn when they say that they care about the victims of any genocide. Most of those who resisted Nazism for example in the Warsaw Ghetto wouldn’t have wasted their diarrhoea on Zionism if it had been on fire. (Stealing land from Palestinians wasn’t really the issue for many Jews in Nazi-occupied Europe – get it?)
Look at this poster by the resistance in that ghetto… The sentiments shown are totally opposite to those of ethnic cleansing and ethnic supremacy that are intrinsic to Zionism.
It’s anti-Zionists who have the right to refer to the need to prevent genocide, not Zionists.
I see you have drifted hopelessly off topic, remember its “Extreme Unionism and Res Judicata” but to help you perhaps you might like to consider this item from Mondoweiss: https://mondoweiss.net/2026/07/no-israel-does-not-have-a-right-to-exist-quite-the-contrary-actually/ No need to thank me.
@Lorncal
Sealioning. Hasbara. Whataboutery. Supremacism.
Doesn’t fool many here.
Nope. Didn’t think it would. It wasn’t meant to. Closed minds. It comes with the territory.
” closed minds ” ahahahaha, Heads-up…..just go away before you make even more of a fool of yourself than you already have. As Brian says….no-one is buying the shite you’re trying to spread here: try the Telegraph’s Letters Section. or WOS ; those exemplary forums of unbiased opinion. And mind look under your bed and keep the light on when you sleep, those Trans people could easily be lurking. Nothing you can do about them entering your dreams – nightmares in your case.
” closed minds ” that’s worth another ahahahahaha
Dear Brian Red,
There were many idealistic Marxist Jews who after 1918 and 1945 tried to create a new social model in the Kibbutz, often trying to build links with Palestinians. Some of my relatives were among them. I am sorry that you seem to be denying them a place in the history of Israel. In the words of Aby Warburg, ‘Der lieber Gott steckt im Detail.’
There are actually surrviving soviet testemony from them, they mostly returned to the USSR saying that racism from the Europeans was endemic.
Abortion is a crime against humanity.
Says who ?
When you are able to carry and birth a child, Squeeth… I am neither pro nor anti abortion. I have never been in a position where I had to make the choice, thank goodness. Have you? Do tell.
@Lorncal – “I am neither pro nor anti abortion“.
If you think the argument is between those who are anti abortion and those who are pro abortion, you don’t much about the issue at all.
Clue: begin with pro-life versus pro-choice.
@Squeeth – “Abortion is a crime against humanity.”
Forced or encouraged abortion certainly is.
This is why for a long time there was little to no support among black, indigenous, and Hispanic women for the abortion rights position of white feminists in the USA – because they were fighting for the right to have children.
Rightly or wrongly, Lorncal, in countries where abortion is legal, fetuses up to a certain age or with birth defects are not legally considered to be human beings, otherwise those performing them would be murderers. Therefore mass abortion cannot in any legal sense be genocide. I would have thought that this was fairly elementary stuff. Genocide does not only become genocide when Israel is involved, as in modern times other groups have been deemed to have committed it – such as the Bosnian Serbs who carried out the Srebrenica massacre, in which they only killed around 8000 males above the age of 14 rather than tens of thousands of women and children as in Gaza.
I think it might also be worth mentioning that abortion is currently legal in Israel (99% of applications are granted), but not in Palestine (or rather those areas controlled by the Palestinian Authority), except where there is a genuine danger to the woman’s life – and even then consent from her husband is required. Or are you one the depressingly common number of people who thinks that abortion is only bad when you’re killing baby girls for being girls?
I am neither pro nor anti abortion. I have never been in the position where I had to make the choice but I do know one thing: I would never contemplate an abortion based one the sex of the child. Also, if you make abortion totally illegal, then the man who impregnated the woman should also be part of the equation by paying for the raising of the child? No?
Thanks for your reply Lorncal. In most states where abortion is effectively available on demand, the man/sperm donor is already legally responsible for financially providing for the child until adulthood, even though it’s entirely the woman’s choice whether to bring that child into the world, and in the event of divorce women are usually awarded full custody.
Lorncal July 16, 2026 at 15:03 and 20:16 (assuming same person):
If I understand correctly, most abortions in India and China occur before quickening and so, I would hope, are not murder. That said, I think that it is a grave decision to end a pregnancy, though I think it should be one for the mother to make, and I’m not sure the state should get involved.
I think you might benefit from Ilan Pappe’s book A Very Short History of the Israel–Palestine Conflict (ISBN 0861549716). I would also recommend Avigail Abarbanel’s Beyond Tribal Loyalties: Personal Stories of Jewish Peace Activists (2nd Edition, ISBN 9781521825457).
She should do a long stint in a max security prison solitary confinement cell, followed by forced hard labour community service rebuilding Gaza, as should Starmer, Lammy, Mahmood, Healey, Falconer, Sunak, Cleverly, Braverman, Cameron, Shapps…
They are all a clear and present danger to public safety.
Yes, all directly complicit in the slaughter of, at the very least, 25,000 children. Yet Starmer departs Parliament today to rousing, emotional cheers and backslapping.
Moi? Do you think I could reclaim the plot of land from which my ancestors were evicted? If you support Gaza, you go out there and do your bit. Or do you just prefer to fly a Palestinian flag and march in the street like a latter-day chocolate cream soldier? Thousands of women and children have died in Gaza. They were non combatants. What do you suppose you can achieve for them?
@Lorncal – “What do you suppose you can achieve for them?”
Well the Zionazis do seem to be rather anxious now that their brand is sinking down the toilet internationally. Even roping in votes from their “community” in the Eurovision song contest – how has that worked out?
Imagine if their documents stopped being accepted as legitimate.
I should have thought it blindingly obvious that by “She” I was referring to Yvette Cooper since my reply was to Zoot’s comment… Not everything revolves around you, Lorncal.
Those who do the most to commit the crimes should be required, as part of their punishment, to help rebuild the communities they’ve helped destroy.
If the subject matter of the Res Judicata is considered to be ‘British Law’ – i.e. covering all four parts of the UK and both the Scottish and English jurisdictions – then there is no conflict. Since, I should imagine, internal state security is implied, then the matter has already been settled, and any departure from the overarching ‘British Law’ would offer a safe haven to dissidents from the English decision if the Scottish courts were to reach a different conclusion. Much the same applied to the SG’s GRR Reform Bill – which is why it was quashed. The law on the issue has already been settled for the whole of the UK state. This will pertain so long as we are part of the UK. For those who favour open borders, proscription of Israel and complete sexual licence, the removal of all female rights, etc., Scottish independence will be the boon they have told the rest of us it will be. Many of us beg to differ, those of us who cherish Scotland’s institutions, languages, culture, heritage and democracy, and want an independent nation that is not destroyed by outside influences before it takes its first tottering steps.
Hardly a surprise, surely.
In a british court, there is only the “friend – enemy” distinction.
The law will be bent to as necessary or convenient help friends (Ukraine, Israel, the United States) and bent as necessary or convenient to harm enemies (Russia, Gaza, Craig Murray).
The same could be said about the uk political system as well as its court system.
That is all.
‘They’ don’t have friends, a better classification would be: “useful and useless”.
Feral Finster
Besides being a Neo-Nazi regime, led by a dictator – Ukraine is also a terrorist gun for hire, its currently training terrorist factions in Mali at Macron’s request.
Also.
“What Kiev’s spy agencies routinely do abroad is “terrorism,” Vitaly ‘Pastor’ Zhikovich, an acting Colonel of the Ukrainian military intelligence agency (HUR) said.
Zhikovich was one of two HUR agents who confessed to killing Anastasia Berezovskaya, the main suspect in last month’s bomb attack on exiled Ukrainian millionaire Vadim Ermolaev in Monaco.
“In international terms, what we’re doing is called terrorism. That’s why I’m telling you like it is. It’s called terrorism,” Zhikovich says about his agency’s work in one of the recordings.”
Legal niceties are meaningless when confronted by power.
“Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun” Mao Zedong.
Stevie: do you know how many Chinese died at the hands of Mao’s Red Guards? Millions! Most died of starvation. Mao couldn’t have punched his way out of a paper bag. He got people like you to do its all for him. Political powers comes through useful idiots with closed minds not understanding what they are advocating.
You appear to be missing the point, or maybe just obfuscating ?
The point is that Scotland will never achieve freedom through the courts or through the EU or UN, they will have to go down the Irish route and fight their oppressors, just as the Palestinians had to do against your mates in the IOF.
BTW. Mao is considered the ‘foundational leader of the modern state’, he certainly made some mistakes !?!, as admitted by the Chinese, but he is responsible for creating the modern superpower that China is today. He lived through ‘interesting times’ fighting the imperial west, the Japanese and the KMT – all responsiible for massacres of chinese citizens. Mao’s achievements stand alone there were no idiots like me that did his work for him. Maybe you know differently ?
I asked AI about the legality of your first para and the response was that it is highly likely to be illegal, “by directly advocating for armed conflict against a sovereign state.”
I’m not a lawyer, but if I were you, I would ask the mods to remove the first para, before the bit about Mao.
I hope the US continues to protect Taiwan and that the theatre company Shen Yun carries on its activity of continuing the cultural legacy of pre-Communist China.
As you said you’re not a lawyer, and I also don’t give a toss about what AI does or doesn’t say – it’s a f*cking computer program, there’s no intelligence artificial or otherwise, just high speed processing of biased data sets.
And, “the cultural legacy of pre-Communist China” WTF ! Don’t you mean the cultural legacy of the failed KMT ?
Ask AI or your MP to recommend some good books on the history of China, current and historical.
I’m sure the moderator will rein me in where necessary without your prompts.
I wonder if he asks AI if he should go for a dump? I think we should be told.
@Stevie Boy July 17, 2026 at 16:36: “Don’t you mean the cultural legacy of the failed KMT?”
It was not the failure of KMT but the devastating Japanese invasion and then General MacArthur’s refusal to arm the Nationalists and save China from the Communists that led to the present situation.
But on living history, there is an eye-witness account of when the Communists took over a village in China during the civil war that I highly recommend. It was first published in Reader’s Digest in 1951, When the Communists came to Chuang. Here’s the last sentence, the end of a moving testimony: “Something evil has come to us, something that prevents men from speaking their minds, even to defend a friend or kinsman falsely denounced. Our village of Chuang has known bad days, under the Kuomintang and the Japanese. But never before has it known such terror.”
Yes, terror! Behold the evils of this godless Communism, against we must always be vigilant!
@Lorncal – “(D)o you know how many Chinese died at the hands of Mao’s Red Guards? Millions! Most died of starvation.”
You sound very ignorant of Chinese history. The last big starvation in China, in which millions died, happened before the Red Guards were even established. That’s not a matter of opinion. It’s a fact.
“Mao couldn’t have punched his way out of a paper bag.”
Rather like you in a discussion about the Occupation regime in Palestine then.
I get it that you think even Mao Zedong was a wimp compared to Moshe Dayan though. Must be your open mind that led you to that position.
@ Brian Red July 17, 2026 at 10:07
During the cultural revolution millions may well have died, and there is a famous novel about the period, Jung Chang’s Wild Swans: Three Daughters of China (ISBN 9780007463404).
litigation is the verdict :-((
Good for you Craig, donation made.
I’ve donated £50. I couldn’t care if I’m a bit short this week the cause is too important to ignore.
How can we deal with corrupt judges I wonder??
I admire Craig for fighting so hard through the judicial system,
but since the outcome is obviously stitched up I fear he is
just wasting effort
“since the outcome is obviously stitched up I fear he is
just wasting effort”
But it has the effect of demonstrating that things get stitched up even if its only to a limited audience. It could have a subtle longer term effect and it puts the stitchers to some trouble.
‘ Genocide has a specific meaning. ‘
It does indeed.
Genocide is a deliberate ( sometimes stated – sometimes not) attempt by a State and by definition it doesn’t define specific numbers to get rid of a certain group of people or
or a population by means of killing them.
What you say about soldiers ( all men ) killing and raping women is also true.
But it is not a State deliberately doing the murders.
If you try to track how many women and men and children have been killed by individual warring soldiers you would lose count.
If you try to track down how many people in history have been killed by bombs bullets and invasions by States and individuals you would lose count.
Individuals terrible though their crimes are are not State.
The German State gave orders and individuals carried the orders out not just to Jews but the disabled – the mentally ill – Socialists/Communists basically anyone who they didn’t like.
Only a State/Government can do this not individuals.
Death through starvation is not an individual matter – it is a State making wrong decisions and of course can be blamed on other States that interfere in other countries economics and politics.
People better educated than me could rattle on for ages about injustices and they would be right but these are mostly during wars/conflicts and possibly the worst of all Civil Wars like Rwanda and even Yugoslavia.
Yet a genocide remains ( in part or in whole according to the UN ) only something that a State can do and be found guilty of later as The German State was.
How many people die/died is not the point – it’s not a contest.
It’s the intent or the actions intended already carried out and Israel has never hidden its intent and it would be hard pressed to cover up its actions which are for all to see on the Internet.
Yes – Gaza is being ignored and the reason is that now that the West’s ‘ interests ‘ are being disturbed and disrupted the Gazans and The Lebanese are generally ignored.
Doesn’t mean the Genocide in Gaza ( there have been many worldwide in the past – no doubt about that) is irrelevant.
It’s just inconvenient and the media wishes it would all go away as it is embarrassing them and stops them from doing the usual things of being handed Communiques and Parliamentary Statements.
That’s easy money and they like that relationship as if they didn’t they would have to do some real journalism.
Note carefully that non of The Western Press is interested in reporting about Israel from within Israel and they sure as Hell won’t go into Gaza.
It’s too dangerous – why? because the IDF may kill them – that’s why.
Another State intention for the UN to lookm at – deaths of Journalists by the IDF
They don’t have to go into Gaza to report this Labour government’s direct complicity. The Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz reported early on that RAF Akrotiri was the logistical hub for the Gaza Genocide, making Britain a key player in this century’s crime of crimes. What excuse do the BBC and the rest have for completely covering it up?
zoot
Yes and the UK is not alone in its supply of info and arms many European countries are in on this and even Russia.
Not sure about China.
One day ( maybe not in my lifetime ) this will end by defeat and the US will not be as powerful as it is now.
The difference is say from WW2 is that there is so much condemning evidence on Youtube – smart phones and the internet in general it can not be hidden.
The MSM are trying their best to supress or down play it but, it can’t be suppressed – there’s too much evidence.
The question for the MSM and its reporters is once any Trials begin will they appear as witnesses or the co -accused?
The older reporters will probably be dead by then but the younger one’s won’t.
‘ Only doing my job ‘
I wonder how many times that was said at the Hague at the end of WW2?
It’s a sad fact that no british MP or business person will ever face repurcussions or true justice for their criminal misdeeds. Tony Blair is still a free man, and I don’t see Cameron, Johnson, Starmer or the rest under any threat from the ‘legal’ system, in our lifetime or any other.
Not only is Blair free, he’s on Trump’s Board of Peace – a board of monsters that will carve up Gaza.
Meanwhile there’s huge protests out side the Ukrainian parliament to get Zelensky out – the people of Ukraine are fed up with the little Neo-Nazi dictators war.
No doubt the little Nazi comedian (he’s not funny at all) – will have them all shot.
https://nitter.poast.org/Its_ereko/status/2078020798632071380#m
British media – especially the BBC – are key players in protecting the criminals, by disappearing their crimes and representing them as towering statesmem.
As Media Lens point out today,
‘Among voters who previously supported Labour but switched to other centre-left or left-wing parties (like the Greens, Liberal Democrats, SNP, Plaid Cymru, or progressive independents), 53% say Labour’s handling of the Gaza conflict was a factor in their decision to walk away.
No mention of Gaza or Israel, of course, in today’s politically cleansed BBC Verify analysis’:
‘Andy Burnham: Five headaches for the incoming prime minister’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62122pgjqdo
Starmer’s multifaceted participation in a genocide was shamelessly erased from all his political obituaries in the British media, from the BBC and Guardian to the ‘hostile’ Tory press.
People in Ukraine are protesting over Zelensky’s sacking of the Minister of Defence who apparently didn’t get on with the CinC. One of them had to go but Zelensky might’ve fired the wrong one.
It’s reassuring to see that after four years of war Ukrainians are still free to protest in this manner.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2026/02/04/russia-crackdown-on-dissent-escalates
They appear to have fewer restrictions on protest than we do in the UK.
People might be interested in Russia’s reaction to the protests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxtco_Fv-7I
If the people of Ukraine won’t reel in and remove the little Neo-Nazi dictator Zelensky – then Russia will.
“General Sergey “Armageddon” Surovikin is Back & will lead Russia into ODESSA & KIEV
“I do not wish to sacrifice Russian soldiers in a guerrilla war against hordes of fanatics, armed by NATO, any longer. We have enough power & technical means to bring Ukraine to full capitulation””
Ah the Butcher of Syria. As far as I can determine he remains in Algeria having been sacked for failing in Ukraine in 2023.
” No more grinding infantry assaults. No more costly frontal attacks. ”
An admission that such things were/are happening despite the denials we’ve had in the past.
“Ah the Butcher of Syria”
I think you are getting your butchers mixed up, the REAL butcher of Syria, al-Julani – is now the darling of the West and the UN, he’s been a US/Zio-Monster asset for decades.
Considering Russia is taking on Nato and much of Europe – I’d say its doing not too badly – and with the USA’s military now, all but proven to have bigger bark than its bite, due to propaganda, all possibilities are now on the table – as the Orange POTUS would say.
The relationship between the Polish and the Neo-Nazi regime in Ukraine is deteriorating fast – over the Volhynia Massacre, a campaign of ethnic cleansing carried out by Ukrainian Nazi collaborators – Poland recognises it as genocide, whilst the Neo-Nazi dictatorship in Ukraine, honours the perpetrators, and glorifies the (UPA) as heroes.
” In response, Polish President Karol Nawrocki revoked Zelensky’s Order of the White Eagle, Poland’s highest state honour, saying the move had crossed a line for most Poles.”
“Police in Poland have recorded a sharp rise in hate crime complaints from Ukrainians, according to national newspaper Rzeczpospolita. Ukrainians have increasingly reported physical assaults, verbal abuse, and online harassment”
Police in Poland have recorded a sharp rise in hate crime complaints from Ukrainians,
Yes up 30% to a whole 180 so far this year. There are 1.55 million Ukrainians living in Poland.
Of course that’s just the incidents that have been reported, many more go unreported, and many more Poles have bad feelings towards the Ukrainians in Poland, but say nothing, its a ticking time bomb, that will eventually explode.
Of course Konstantinovka, is fully under Russian control its a strategic city, and that’s why the below is happening the Neo-Nazi’s need folk to believe that they hold the city when they don’t.
“We were sent into the city of Konstantinovka knowing that it was controlled by Russian soldiers. Our comrades were killed, while we were kept alive and treated with respect,” the captured troops said in footage released by the ministry. The men identified themselves as Evgeny Mosin and Sergey Stolyarsky from Ukraine’s infamous 425th Separate Assault Regiment ‘Skelia’ (formerly Skala).”
Next up to be captured by Russian forces is Kramatorsk, its all down hill for the Neo-Nazi regime from here on in
The BBC is trying to retain the license fee and so not to ‘rock the boat’ by reporting on topics which might offend HMG. But it is almost certainly being controlled by Ms Cooper and her pals. The refusal of the Amal Rajan show to explain why it does not cover stories is no doubt a sign of its concern for the views of its audience. I have found the excellent ‘Sunday’ religious programme at 7 on Sunday Radio 4 and some Radio 5 producers more honest, but it is clear that there are topics, including UK arms policy, which may not be discussed. And the level of hosility in the Telegraph to Jeremy Bowen and BBC Israel reporting is noteworthy. No wonder Trump is offering millions to Toby Young.
Why would the Torygraph – or any other rag – show any hostility to Bowen or Their BBC for their * coverage * of Israel when he/they have been completely ‘ on message ‘ with the ” only defending itself ” distortion of Reality? Does the upmarket Andrex that passes as a newspaper consider BBBowen insufficiently fervent in it’s supplication to the altruists of the Netanyahu Regime?
Any mention in the West stenography of the major scandal in that land of peace and love to all involving almost unbelievable degrees of ” ritual sexual abuse and torture of children ” yet; anything at all?…..no, of course not
Israel like it’s E European sidekick – Ukraine – can never be described as anything other than lands comprising only saints, heroes & martyrs. Fckn revolting hypocrisy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QPI0qHROMI
It’s the same tactic as the Jewish community’s fear and outrage about Burnham. Intended to make sure the BBC remains a propaganda arm of Israel.
The Telegraph might be the only British mass-media outlet that is more staunchly zionist and genocidal than Aunty, employing such luminaries as Colonel Richard (‘a mere goy’) Kemp.
https://youtube.com/shorts/P-fmS2otCr8?si=jbmmXUNMqmvSpVwJ
The perfect model of capitalism.
“Thames Water has just increased bonus payouts for “key management personnel” from £2.8 million to £4.1 million – despite being £18.5 billion in debt and causing several category 1 pollution incidents.
Thames bypassed Ofwat’s bonus ban, which ONLY targets chief executives and finance managers, by awarding the bulk of the £4.1 million to other executive team and board members.”
Courtesy of the Canary.
Two of the most influential figures in Burnham’s No 10 operation were previously advisors to Thames Water – Varun Chandra and James Purnell. Burnham is reportedly planning to ‘temporarily’ nationalise Thames Water. Will be worth watching the detail when he’s surrounding himself with people like that.
1. Burnham is a known crook (see the Clear Air Zone contract and his wife) and he probably has close Manchester gangster connections. (How TF else does someone become a strong Manchester mayor?) To use the euphemism, he receives strong advice on the “nighttime economy”.
2. Some of the Jewish lobby is sounding off against him.
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/why-life-for-britains-jews-could-well-get-worse-under-andy-burnham/
https://www.jns.org/opinion/jeremy-havardi/andrew-burnhams-anti-israel-rhetoric-is-deeply-unsavory
But if they’d wanted to stop him they would have done. There would be no question of “some” of ZOG saying X and “some” of ZOG saying Y. It would be all hands to the deck to assist with furthering the community interest, just as it was with bringing down Ken Livingstone and Jeremy Corbyn. So the significance of this kind of stuff is unclear. It may simply be to remind Burnham who’s boss. But then he’ll have a ZOG presence in his office and in the Cabinet Office too who’d be able to tell him directly to his face, so this doesn’t say much.
3. The Telegraph are suggesting that the British military depends on imports of weapons technology from the Occupation regime, and that Burnham is so anti the Occupation that he’s a danger to the British national interest. This is unusual talk.
https://archive.is/qNXun
“The defence system of the British Army’s new Challenger 3 tank, for example, was developed in Israel. So was the command module of the Army’s Sky Sabre missile, along with the target-acquisition system of the Royal Artillery and the electronic-warfare suites of Royal Navy warships. Most importantly, the F-35 jets forming the mainstay of the RAF and most Nato air forces are produced by a multinational programme that includes Israel, which makes the aircraft’s outer wing structure.”
There may be a big contract in the offing, perhaps one that’s not being talked about, with this just being about negotiating a good price for the Occupation.
Sacha Lord is also one to watch. Will he be in No. 10? Used to be a promoter at the Hacienda nightclub before he became Andy Burnham’s big “nighttime economy” adviser.
He seems to have put his name to a book called “Dance Floor”. He sounds like one of the most boring writers ever, if the following is anything to go by:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/gangsters-death-threats-manchester-raves-28434503
“Like most Mancunians my age, my life is a tale of two cities. Then and now. It has been the very best of times, and there has also been the worst of times – often in the same week, sometimes in the same night! Manchester really has been the making of me, and it has so much to answer for.”
He’s also known as Sacha John Edward Lord-Marchionne. Here are some of the companies he’s held directorships at:
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/WhrM_X2SN1GkP12tZ2X4ds6rdzg/appointments
He is described as having been behind some of Europe’s biggest music events:
https://squaremile.com/culture/sacha-lord-marchionne-interview/
Sounds as clean as a whistle.
FFS. The internet keeps on giving… Sacha Lord seems to have strong business connections in Malta. Clean as a whistle, I’m telling ya.
https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/nodes/56013779
This info was revealed in the Paradise Papers.
Any connection with Giampiero Marchionne (see again Malta) or Sergio Marchionne (see Fiat and Ferrari)?
The Jewish community’s outrage and ‘fear’ is entirely performative. Rehearsed non-stop and promoted by the British media for over a decade. Even small children now recognise its fraudulence.
The People’s Andy was immediately given the imprimatur of LFI and the most pitiless, demented zionists in the country like Margaret Hodge. The person he selected as his policy kingpin, James Purnell, was chair of LFI and his Makerfield seat was handed to him by another major functionary of the Israel lobby.
Jewish community outrage and fear is just to ensure they get another Sir Keir when it comes to genociding Palestinians and Lebanese, attacking Iran, supporting Greater Israel and criminalizing dissent in the UK.
Obviously the concerns espoused by such organisations are often bad faith but there’s no need to tar the whole Jewish Community with the same brush; firstly, the issue is Zionism which is not exclusive to some members of the Jewish Community but also features heavily in the Evangelical community. Secondly, there are many members of the Jewish Community in the UK and the US who march against genocide in solidarity with Palestinians, as well as being supported by the majority of genocide scholars both within and without Israel. Thirdly, as such the (bad faith) organisations regularly touted (in equally bad faith) by the legacy media and politicians as representing the Jewish Community really don’t speak for the majority. Finally, the Jewish Community absolutely does face threats like drive by motorbike terrorists assassinating school children in France and one of the problems that the genocidal actions of the Israeli State cause is exactly raising the threat against the Jewish Community as a whole by fomenting a tar-all-Jews-with-the-same-brush attitude amongst those of a mindset less given to critical thought.
@Nota – Zionism as an organisation (which is Jewish) is far more important than Zionism as the ideology espoused by everyone who supports the existence of the Jewish-supremacist Occupation regime in Palestine, whether they follow a religion which has as its deity a personification of what’s good for the Tribe or another religion which has as one of its deities a Jewish Palestinian who got nailed up.
Also what do you mean by the “Jewish Community”. Some Jews think it’s a bunch of cack and would cross the road to avoid anyone who spouts about this or that being to its benefit or detriment. Do they belong to it?
It’s a fact that the Board of Deputies is Zionist.
Good info on Burnham, but no part of the Lobby AFAIAA came out with anything similar when May, Johnson, Truss, Sunak, or Starmer himself entered No.10. But it could just be about keeping ZOG’s partisans on their toes.
But…the Telegraph going on about the defence technology angle is food for thought…
David Davis MP makes a speech on Peter Murrell, the SNP and Alex Salmond
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBTqX5V3ccQ
he accuses Nicola Sturgeon of knowing about the stolen money and in conspiring to get Alex Salmond arrested
Is jigsaw identification covered by parliamentary privilege
Thanks for the link Brian. Craigs harassment and subsequent jailing for daring to not name the purgerors and their judicial high backing by the chief justice, advisor to Sturgeons and Murrells SNP fraudulent regime, makes this an issue that needs a deeper public inquiry, clearing Craigs name.
It looks like the Goverment is planning to carry on mollycoddling the SNP mongerers, who might or might not have known about this longwinded deception of the public, by announcong two more large windfarms, whos profits will fill this Burnem Governments empty coffers, the colonials just cant have it any other way.
UDI anyone?
Thanks for the link.
Good as it is to see this happening – the exposure of Sturgeon’s real nature as opposed to her carefully cultivated ‘ caring ‘ persona ( ie mask ) – there are grounds to believe there were other, additional motivations for her centrality in the conspiracy to politically assassinate Alex Salmond.
Not to say DD is wrong in his * take *, but it’s equally plausible Sturgeon + Cabal feared Alex’s continuing presence would expose their – at best, uselessness in, at worst, deliberate abandoning/thwarting of, making any progress in the Independence cause. In other words… the fraudulence of both Sturgeon herself and the SNP Hierarchy.
Clearly, there were no shortage of reasons why this shameful/criminal series of actions occurred.
The outstanding * mystery * is how Sturgeon has been able to walk away from it all unscathed – not just unscathed, but wealthier than she ever imagined she would become: which will probably be enhanced exponentially if/when she joins the loathsome War Criminal Blair’s route to * Post Politics * riches. She may yet get the plugged pulled on her if it is considered expedient in inflicting even more damage – not so much on the SNP, that ( sick ) joke of a * Scottish * * National * party is as threatening to the Brit State as a fat, neutered, pampered feline, but to the real target – Scottish Independence
In our times the ” Wages of Sin ” are not death – but extravagant reward for sociopathic behaviour and betrayal of principles in Office and reinforcing of Globalist Elite Power subsequently
” ….plug pulled ….”
Has Sturgeon got some kinda career at the moment, or is her main thing staying out of jail? Sounding off at everyone for victimising her because her (fake) husband was a thief completely unbeknownst to herself isn’t something the crook can do forever. She has always struck me as someone who is seriously lacking upstairs, and arrogant with it, so she may well have a fall coming and not be as safe as she thinks.
Well, she’s ‘ lined-up ‘ to play the role of Dep PM to Slithy Gove’s PM – in Their BBC’s forthcoming ” Mad, Mental, Russputin’s Gonna Getcha ” propaganda exercise. Then there’s her book of fairy tales * identifying * as memoir, which she seems to be on endless promotional tour for. Almost certainly – unless she does get her collar felt either legally or in public perception/opinion ( she already has to some extent ) – she’ll join the lucrative Guest Speaker grift.
Who knows? maybe a-la-every-former POTUS, she’ll get some kind of monument or public institution named after her, eg library, college, or such. I’d such a fitting tribute would be a public toilet – euphemistically a ‘ cottage ‘
Aye, The Nicola Sturgeon Furtive Sexual Encounter Building sounds about right
Actually Sky TV but no matter.
@ PM . Ah, my mistake, I’d heard it was a BiBiC * Production * . I don’t read, watch or listen to any MSM, so do at times take in inaccurate info. Though not as much as would if I DID read, watch, listen to MSM 🙂
Sturgeon’s response was to accuse Davis of cowardice by making the allegations using the ‘legal privilege of Westminster’.
So, Stu Campbell at Wings Over Scotland has repeated the allegations and challenged Sturgeon to take him to court.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/these-words-are-my-own/#more-158570
Expect silence from Sturgeon.
Perhaps she’ll say something about the Campbells and Glencoe next 🙂
It will be good if David Davis repeats the allegations outside of parliament too. Perhaps he can even do it in front of a City of Westminster street sign to teach the crooked witch what “Westminster” means.
Sturgeon is like a Cheshire cat…everything disappearing except in her case not a smile but the endless complaint that “you’re all victimising me because I’m [a woman | Scottish | an innocent wife].”
Interesting character, David Davis, formerly of 21 SAS. Yes he’s a Tory, but he’s got this “do stuff well and don’t talk BS” thing about him.
But the thing is about Sturgeon v. Salmond – we knew, or surmised that, years ago. Why has it taken David Davis so long to defend Salmond, even to the point when the great man is no longer with us? If you look at the wider picture, I am not sure this is even really about Sturgeon’s mistakes, or even Salmond, but part of a bigger campaign by the British powerbrokers to clear the political decks of key opposition figures and their powerbases for whatever reason – probably something very nasty. Starmer, Sturgeon and Farage (and even the Royals, in the form of Prince Andrew) all discredited by media and for not particularly strong reasons, in my book. Meanwhile they keep the utterly unelectable Badenoch in place and the establishment clown Davey. Then they impose the obvious stooge Burnham, with no protest whatever from all those fearless, independent journalists the Guardian pretends it has, while the right-wing media pretend he is left-wing. It all seems very sinister to me, even as someone who has never cared politically for Sturgeon, Starmer or Farage.
Whoever the ‘British power brokers’ may be I doubt if Starmer Sturgeon and Farage are anything but assets to them.
I think you have a point, Tom, about who is actually deciding who gets elected, removed from their position, gets accused of malfeasance – and maybe more importantly – who doesn’t. in short……what does Democracy even mean these days, but I have to disagree with you here….” Starmer, Sturgeon and Farage (and even the Royals, in the form of Prince Andrew) all discredited by media and for not particularly strong reasons,…..”.
Granted it’s not the reason he was removed, more like one of the reasons he was installed in the first place, but Starmer is guilty of War Crimes, or, at the very least, guilty of aiding and abetting War Crimes, ie the Genocide in Gaza. He was only removed because of his * record breaking * unpopularity with the public. More difficult to carry-off the role of the UK’s top atrocity apologist when most of the nation you ( supposedly ) lead can’t stand the sight of you
Albeit as yet – legally – unproven, but there is substantial evidence of Sturgeon’s central role in the conspiracy to politically assassinate Alex Salmond – despite the ploy of draping herself in a – she hopes -magic cloak of invisibility/plausible deniability. Then there is her, let’s say…..” ambiguous ” role – if not directly, then certainly still significantly – in the whole Murrell embezzlement/ * missing * ( ie spent ) ‘ ring-fenced ‘ Independence Campaign fund criminal enterprise and it’s cover-up. These, what should have been, career-ending shadowy involvements were the reason she * stepped down * ie ran away, shortly after saying she ” was going nowhere ” and ” had plenty of gas left in her tank ” ( she was right about the gas, but she saved that for the purpose of saying ” no comment ” to her police interviewers for 7 hours ), but, as previously stated, she has yet to suffer any legal/political consequence for her actions.
The behaviour of those two in Office can hardly be considered ” not particularly strong reasons “, ie to leave their posts; even if, to repeat, their disgraceful actions were NOT the reason they are no longer ‘ in post ‘
Reluctant as I am to say anything in mitigation of Farage, by comparison his, ahem…..’ misdemeanor ‘ was of the common-or-garden venal self-enrichment from extremely wealthy * friends * type: no-one was hurt by his actions, in the way many people were by the actions of Starmer & Sturgeon: in the former’s case, many 1000s killed or seriously, life-changingly injured. They don’t really compare with Farage’s shabby money-grabbing in gravity
Prince Charmless is in a category all of his own; which we could call the ” pampered, thick-as-shit, entitled bozo get’s caught-up & set-up in a very dodgy sex scandal and has to get mummy to bail him out to the tune of several £million ” category. Again, with no intent to mitigate, it’s noticeable that dope is one of the VERY few figures of global prominence ( in terms of public recognition ) to suffer any penalty for his – repellent – behaviour. Again, there were, in fact, VERY strong reasons for his fall from grace ( and favour )
Has a single Yank faced such – any – punishment, or even condemnation for THEIR involvement in the Epstein Underage Sex/Trafficking outrages? No
Money and power. Democracy has never been about giving the people a voice, it’s about maintaining the status quo, the gravy train. Elections and the people don’t decide who gets into power, the one’s with the money do, and these are the, the establishment, the banks, the oligarchs and big industry (oil). To run for power one needs financial backing and will have to justify to TPTB why they should act as the representative of the establishment. In the USA you need to virtually be a billionaire to run for president, the UK is going the same way. Policies and the people will never get one into power, only bowing to mammon will do.
@ Stevie; aye it – Demockracy ( sic ) has always been a bit of a misnomer/joke, but I think whatever slim quality of actual vox populi representation it may have had previously has been steadily and stealthily eroded; and that process has accelerated in the last, say, 20 years, to the point now where it literally doesn’t matter who you vote for – you get the toxic cocktail of arrogance, venality, dishonesty, contempt & stupidity.
The old cliche ” Democracy may not be perfect, but the alternatives are worse ” has to be reconsidered. Not because the ( only ) alternatives we’ve had – in the West anyway – eg Fascism, Military Dictatorships, Monarchic Rule are not worse, or at least no better, but because the current system is clearly so degenerate, sclerotic and poisonous it has brought the Planet and it’s inhabitants to the precipice of catastrophe.
Ultimately the remedy for the disease may be * spiritual * rather than political – or a fusion of both. Personally, my belief is that the fundamental, underlying source of our contemporary malaise is the all-pervading, unquestioned ( though that is changing ) dominance of the Materialist Paradigm.
Emerging ideas like Panpsychism and Analytical Idealism ( see Bernardo Kastrup if interested ) may prove much more fruitful and less productive of the sense of existential angst, nihilism and lust for destruction that pervades our societies
A new Gaza gas burner/ham has just been installed in no. 10, with much hugging and cajoling by all the medias genocide denial journalists.
He is preparing to drill, as well as to ‘utilize’ scottish windpower for the UK needs, what a bonza eh?
Saint Andy, the Messiah from the north will save us all.
50% of GDP to Israel, 50% to Ukraine, 50% to the holy NHS and 50% to social services. What could go wrong ?
We’re not worthy Andy, Aye ‘up, whippets away …
Yeah, more of the same to come:David Miliband (self-proclaimed zionist jew) to become the next foreign secretary
https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2079305615902675425
So he start of by declaring that Russia is a law-breaking nation, meanwhile no such description of the far more law-breaking Israel.
What was the point for Starmer to step down if there will be no change in Labour policies anyway? Andy Burnham will without a doubt end up just as a disgraced low-approval-rate type of leader like Starmer within weeks, months!