Heartsick

by craig on March 6, 2012 2:12 pm in Uncategorized

Sometimes the horror of the abuse of power in the world just seems to close in, and I want to run away from the toil of blogging against it. To rage against the dying of the light is indeed noble; but also energy-sapping, and the light dies anyway.

Where do I begin? Not content with giving over the entire NHS budget to be plundered for private profit, the police service is now being privatised. The use of coercive force against its citizenry is the ultimate sanction of the state and must in a civilised society only be exercised with utmost restraint and control. Of course, in the last twenty years the British and US states have moved fast towards the use of fatal force against foreigners for profit, in their wild embrace of companies of mercenary killers. So while shocking, it is hardly surprising that politicians seek to find profit for their paymasters in use of state force against their own citizens. It makes you wonder whether anything the government can do would be so shocking as to wake the public from the lull of Simon Cowell or the Sun on Sunday. I fear in truth they could shoot asylum seeker children on the streets without the bulk of the population lifting a finger.

Then we have Obama on his knees before AIPAC, accepting his marching orders and promising that the US will participate if Israel decides to attempt to launch Armageddon. Are there no US taxpayers out there, unbesotted by religous fanatacism, who find it humiliating to have their national leader so obviously powerless and crawling before the Israeli lobby? Given that it is the US which funds Israel, and not vice versa, it is all very peculiar. Or is it simply that the US taxpayer funds Israel, but Israel funds US politicians, thus Israel is simply a de facto pimp in the diversion of taxpayers money into politicians’ pockets?

We then have the very largely state owned Natwest Bank increasing mortgage rates on households whose real incomes were already falling, with all the media politely reporting that this is due to higher rates Natwest is having to pay for inter-bank borrowing. Which is to ignore the tens of billions free cash Natwest has received through first bailout then quantitative easing, and their recent access to effectively as much as they wanted from the European Central Bank at just 1%.

I am not a fan of Putin; the real democratic deficit in Russia comes not from the bussing and vote-rigging, without which Putin would have probably scraped over 50% anyway, but in the lack of media access for the opposition and the use of state resources effectively to campaign for Putin. But how different is that from what happens in the UK anyway? How much airtime do voices against the war in Afghanistan get? Or against the bank bailouts?

One cheerful moment, on last night’s Newsnight. Jeremy Paxman actually challenged the Israeli Ambassador, who seemed keen to attack Iran, over Israel’s nuclear weapons. First time in years I heard such a thing on the BBC.

Then when the Israeli Ambassador replied “Israel is not the one threatening to attack other countries” Paxman replied “You just discussed attacking Iran”.

All of which is entirely obvious, but almost totally absent from broadcast media.

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  1. On explaining the hold of AIPAC on the US political scene, I often find this article by Paul Krugman very useful.

    http://web.mit.edu/krugman/www/ratdem.htm

    And separately, saw you mentioned in this piece on Uzbekistan. Be interested on your thoughts…

    http://harpers.org/archive/2012/03/hbc-90008467

  2. You’re not alone Craig

  3. “Are there no US taxpayers out there, unbesotted by religous fanatacism, who find it humiliating to have their national leader so obviously powerless and crawling before the Israeli lobby?”

    Ron Paul and his supporters.

  4. A great ‘heads-up’ Craig thank-you

  5. mike cobley

    6 Mar, 2012 - 2:45 pm

    Craig, as someone once said, all that can be said HAS been said but we have to say it again because no-one was listening
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    Like you, I am aghast at the frantic neoliberal demolition of civil society, the NHS and now civilian police (crime investigations, brought to you by Serco, perhaps? or, god help us, Crapita!). But there is a silver lining to all of this, namely that their overreach is becoming so overt, so obnoxious, so despicable, so revolting that when some kind of progressive government gets back into power it would be perfectly justified in pushing back hard – flense the NHS and policing of private sector providers, put the banks on a strong regulatory leash, come down hard on lobbying firms, take back prisons from the private sector, return outsourced military functions (like training) to the control of the armed forces, and – yes, damn, a long list…including a reestablishment of the BBC under a charter guaranteeing editorial independence. And then we can take a long hard look at media ownership…

  6. Uzbek in the UK

    6 Mar, 2012 - 2:49 pm

    Mr Murray
    “But how different is that from what happens in the UK anyway? How much airtime do voices against the war in Afghanistan get? Or against the bank bailouts?”
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    It seems that it has been long time since you visited Russia or talked to Russians. The problem is not only that KGB-Putin has tight control over media but also that opponents are virtually cut off (physically or otherwise) from any type of political participation. It is not only issue with pro-Putin propaganda it is also a case of state apparatus being reluctant to allow any sort of political participation to those whose views are different from Putin. Mind you average Russians are much WORSE OFF than average Britons and yet no protests except those we have seen quite recently.
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    How many journalists or political opponents have been assassinated in the UK recently?

  7. Uzbek

    Less assassination in the UK I agree. But standing as an independent parliamentary candidate here leaves you subject to all kinds of state exclusion, while the main “parties” all support almost precisely identical neo-con policies.

    But my argument is not that it is good in Russia; it is that it is also bad in the UK. That is in no way intended to excuse Putin,

  8. Excellent blog Craig, and no you’re not alone. Things are steadily and progressively getting worse. Boiling Frog Syndrome!!

  9. “How much airtime do voices against the war in Afghanistan get?”

    I remember clearly, just as the invasion of Iraq was starting, how I read one or two articles on Counterpunch by Brian Cloughley. Tony Blair had just informed the nation that Iraq had nuclear weapons which could be prepared for firing in 45 minutes, and Cloughley – who had been a British Army officer in charge of tactical nuclear weapons – explained clearly how even the very best team could not prepare even a battlefield weapon (far less the strategic weapons Blair was talking about) in less than a few hours. So I emailed to ask him why his articles had not been front-page news in all the British national dailies. He told me that he had offered them to everything: the Guardian, the Independent, the Times, and all the rest. Not one editor would even discuss publication.

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0308/S00194.htm

  10. Uzbek in the UK

    6 Mar, 2012 - 3:09 pm

    Thank you for clarifying this Mr Murray.
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    Yes, I totally agree that in the UK standing as an independent candidate will not bring any success and therefore many to be politicians are keen to secure party membership and support. It is shame as theoretically UK parliamentary elections are more friendly to independent candidates (comparing to other parliamentary elections) but abuse of influence by main political parties is rather grim reality of how even the best ideas can be abused for the sake of ruling elites. Part of the problems is that voters here vote deliberately for one of main parties assuming that voting for independents is just waste of their vote. This is something that needs changing before anything can be done about farer elections.
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    And I also agree that there is less transparency of power holders in the UK in recent years and recent scandal with MPs financial claims has been rather a reminder of how little we know until we learn of things like this.

  11. I know it is tiring Craig, but what you are doing is so important. You are not alone, people are waking up. Keep up the good work. The challenge when working so hard to expose the darkness is for you, yourself to stay in the light, and in this respect I can help.

    Have a look at my website – love life live now. com I would be honoured to give you free one to one mindfulness coaching. Kind regards adrian

  12. Uzbek in the UK

    6 Mar, 2012 - 3:18 pm

    Tom Welsh
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    I suspect that the War was needed and was decided and it was only a matter of selling this to a wider public. Why on earth newspapers would be allowed to publish anything again the pro-war idea? I recall some publications on Russian newspapers and websites at that time criticising the same US/UK intelligence reports. This only confirms that idea that although the media here is freer than elsewhere, but also biased. Not sure what can be done if even BBC supposedly owned by us taxpayers at the same time supplies us one of the most biased information.

  13. “How many journalists or political opponents have been assassinated in the UK recently?”
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    how many uk journos attack the government for its wars and abuses ? how many do it without any sense of apology to the govt ?
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    how many can you name in MSM who are today a big fat sharpest thorn in the backside of this or previous govt with regard to the neocon agenda? i can name the embeds ..
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    the fact is the uk govt/state doesnt need to assassinate journos .. they’re (journos) commited to euthanasia .. dying the ‘good’ death

  14. gifiles (wikileaks) are reporting that US/UK/French forces have been in Syria since pre December 2011 and seeking Syrian civil war with the help of Turkey ..

  15. If Ingo’s still around he will confirm my impression that joint US/UK air activity over East Anglia currently looks little changed from the peak of the Libyan exercise. And no doubt we have special forces stirring up the Kurds…

  16. hmmmm………Urban and Taube are a matched pair of oily bastards and Paxman doesn’t exactly go for the jugular……he seems more tired and resigned, to be honest…..

  17. Uzbek in the UK

    6 Mar, 2012 - 4:05 pm

    @ Wendy
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    It is good then that we live in the Internet age.
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    It is bed thought that absolute majority of people in the UK/EU/US visit facebook/twitter/porn and other rubbish on the Internet and not blogs like this one.
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    The question is should westerners be more broadly educated about outside world starting from schools so that they are no such snobbish when it comes to naming capital of foreign state or at least pointing out its location?

  18. Obama was clearly squirming when sat opposite Netenyahu yesterday. But like his predecessors and opponents he will sacrifice his dignity for re-election. Which, since it is assured anyway, makes his pandering all the more cringe-making.

  19. barbara brown

    6 Mar, 2012 - 4:11 pm

    We must have hope and stay human.
    Take good care you guys.

  20. Git yourself back to Accra…I am now going to jump in the swimming pool !!!

  21. Obama genuflecting before the “Master Race” in the advocacy gala for endorsement of the continuation of the reign of control of the said “Master Race”, was reprehensible, and contemptible. Even more egregious and outlandish was the tight security that was surrounding the crazy lunatic in charge of the crazy Judaic Supremacists Natanyahu (indicating the elevated importance of their dear leader), whose speech was an exercise in flipping the bird at the presidential pontifications of Obama.
    ,
    This is the degrees of disconnect from reality in the heart of the US New Century Empire. The money go around racket is paying dividends: US tax payers funds are diverted through the laundromat set in TelAviv, back into the pockets of the so called decision makers who are beholden to Isreal for use of the friendly services it offers.
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    In sustaining this dog and pony show every other priority is demoted to mere detail, and full attention being paid at securing and ensuring the taxdollar recycling scheme that has served the leadership in US pretty well up until now.
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    The sickening fact that friendly services offered by Isreal entails a very high cost, somehow never enters the minds of the greedy bastards who are all too happy to accept such a high costs to ensure their paltry retainers are safe and in the respective envelopes/accounts/gifts/etc.
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    The corrosive effects of such an open and manifestly corrupt crony network, compel the rise of other networks representing various other interests to get busy, and resulting in the recently witnessed rash of privatizations, inclusive of handing over crime investigations to the private companies, in a Pinkerton revisited style. Although we are assured that only Police will have the power of detention. Alas with privatization of the crime investigations, and punishment for the said crime (jail) in place already, the only none profit making enterprises are the police itself, and the courts, which shall duly follow in the path of privatization too, given the success of the current policies.
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    We all are Palestinians now.
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    The drum beats for war on Iran are getting louder, whilst discounting the potential for WWIII, which will be triggered given the mendacious attacks of Natanyahu on Iran. The Judaic supremacists suffering from masada complex en mass have hoodwinked the leaders on retainers about the potential destruction that is sure to follow. Mayans may yet prove to have been correct in their forecasts, but do the bent and corrupt politicians care?

  22. @ Wendy: “gifiles (wikileaks) are reporting that US/UK/French forces have been in Syria since pre December 2011 and seeking Syrian civil war with the help of Turkey ..”
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    Got a link for that please?

  23. Please, everyone, when you have important information like Wendy’s above, post a link. Then your evidence can be passed on to other people. Linking websites also moves them higher in the search engine rankings.

  24. Uzbek in the UK

    6 Mar, 2012 - 5:10 pm

    “Mayans may yet prove to have been correct in their forecasts, but do the bent and corrupt politicians care?”
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    No they do not. Profit making comes first in politics, it has always been the case. Lenin said once that politics was concentrated expression of economics.
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    Real dollar show is being played in other places too not just Israel. China is producing 60% of goods for US in exchange to dollars that China lends to the US, what is this if not perfect Ponzey scheme? Saudis sell oil to the US and then invest dollar into the US financial and property markets, what is this if not perfect neo-colonisation? Who would expect that but Russia legally and illegally invests over 500 billion USD every year in EU and US, what is this if not hypocrisy?

  25. boniface goncourt

    6 Mar, 2012 - 5:20 pm

    Dr Josef Mengele quipped to the dudes at Auschwitz:
    “The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.”
    I am old enough to remember the semblance of freedoms.
    People today are so thick and Cowellized, they don’t know or care what’s going on. “Israel” – everything evil, fanatic and reptilian in the human psyche – triumphs over Humanism and Reason. Fascism is probably the normal condition of mankind. People don’t want to be free, they want to be safe.

  26. Bombing Osirak, Burying UN Resolution 487 – An Exchange With The BBC’s Jonathan Marcus
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    On June 7, 1981, eight Israeli aircraft bombed the Iraqi Osirak nuclear reactor ten miles southeast of Baghdad. Ten Iraqis and one French civilian were killed. In his book State of Denial, journalist Bob Woodward argued that the raid intensified Iraq’s nuclear programme:
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    ‘Israeli intelligence were convinced that their strike… had ended Saddam’s program. Instead [it prompted] covert funding for a nuclear program code-named “PC3” involving 5,000 people testing and building ingredients for a nuclear bomb…’ (Woodward, State of Denial, Simon & Schuster, 2006, p.215)
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    In response to the attack, UN Security Council Resolution 487 was passed 15-0, on June 19, 1981, with no-one opposing and no-one abstaining – not even the United States. It is worth quoting the Resolution at some length:
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    /…
    http://www.medialens.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=671:bombing-osirak-burying-un-resolution-487-an-exchange-with-the-bbcs-jonathan-marcus&catid=25:alerts-2012&Itemid=9

  27. Gareth Barry

    6 Mar, 2012 - 5:32 pm

    “Not content with giving over the entire NHS budget to be plundered for private profit,”

    Outright Lie.

    ” the police service is now being privatised. ”

    Outright Lie 2.

    The truth is bad enough without having to resort to outright lies

  28. “The use of coercive force against its citizenry is the ultimate sanction of the state and must in a civilised society only be exercised with utmost restraint and control.”

    The police executed another unarmed man last Friday. Shot through the windscreen of his car. I know Craig does not have much sympathy with Mark Duggan, and this guy may well have been a dangerous criminal as well, but this does not excuse this sort of action. We are going down a dangerous path.
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    Yes Craig, I do find it all as depressing as you do. Except I incline to the view held by Patrick Cockburn that maybe Israel and the US are more interested in threatening Iran than actually going to war.
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    http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/03/05/israels-huff-and-puff-game/
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    (However I dont think the Neocons will rest until there is regime change in Iran, whatever that takes)

  29. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    6 Mar, 2012 - 6:08 pm

    The way things are going the Government will be privatised soon. ;)

    Regarding foreign troops in Syria.
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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9122749/Thirteen-French-officers-captured-by-Syrian-Army.html
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    The original Lebanese source, on which this story is based, states that 100 French were caught not thirteen.
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    Then I noticed the wording “14 French Officers”. Cunning, they are only reporting the officers and not the troops.
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    13 sounds like it could be a motley crew of mercenaries but over 100, with 13 officers, sounds like a dozen or so fighting sections.

  30. conjunction

    6 Mar, 2012 - 6:20 pm

    I don’t always agree with you Craig but it makes me feel better when you pump it out like you have today, so thanks.

    I didn’t see Paxman, and he’s a bit of a windup merchant but he clearly has some balls.

  31. The light is fading fast and not just on the domestic scene. This from today. A small headline in a local rag that shunned Craig during his campaing and gave him no support, despite his spending on ads. All male Dardan security, led by an ex chief constable for Norfolk, is going for a slice of council tax.
    No mention of costs to us, the comments are a hoot.

    What our police seems to forget is that we all have the powers to conduct a citizens arrest, Peter Thatchel clearly showed that the powers exist, still.
    And then there are the powers that have made Britain what it is today, to conduct civil non violent disobedience, should it be necessary.
    http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/tell_us_what_you_think_should_security_guards_in_norfolk_be_given_policing_powers_1_1228485

    Global vested interest pulling Obama’s strings, need Israel and his little satan in charge, as their attack dog, until the list of countries is ticked off and Somalia, Syria and Iran are vasalls to the great Satan’s, ready to be ‘developed’, this general lawlessness will not abide.
    This excellent nuggett drawn up by Mark G. yesterday from wikileaks latest releases shows us exactly why Bibi is so vociferously throwing his weight about at the AIPAC, he’s worried about Israels population and its lack of support for wars and aggression, they had enough of it. This is why US forces are in Israel, its falling apart, rotting from inside and for the same reason we up our policing budgets and make due with cardboard cut outs come alive, Israel is worried about its internal security.

    “Air Force Intel guy is most
    obsessed with the challenge of taking out Syria’s ballistic missile
    capabilities and chem weapons. With Israel right there and the regime
    facing an existential crisis, he sees that as a major complication to any
    military intervention.”

    With China and Russia looking on and wondering who will be next, one as yet cannot see an end to it.

    @Komodo Ingo has left the building and nevermind, his equally appropriate other self has entered, and yes, the flights are as regular, still, but most would have left for the theatre now.

  32. A gem from Dickens…’It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to heaven, we were all going direct the other way’

    Mindfulness is awesome
    This Israel crap is not

  33. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    6 Mar, 2012 - 6:45 pm

    Then we have Obama on his knees before AIPAC, accepting his marching orders and promising that the US will participate if Israel decides to attempt to launch Armageddon.
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    Craig, I think you are being unfair here.
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    Obama has done no such thing. Obama has stated repeatedly that the US will not attack Iran unless Iran acquires a weapon or indisputable evidence from the IAEA is presented that they are manufacturing a weapon or have a weapons development programme. He even said in his address to AIPAC that Israel must learn to defend itself – that’s was a direct stab at Netanyahu’s incessant calls for the US to attack Iran. These are significant positions from the POTUS.
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    Israel cannot be under any illusions about the US response to a unilateral attack on Iran. Obama knows that the current Israeli government is a busted flush and certainly not worth getting the US involved in another un-winnable war for.
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    Of course, Obama may be gone after this year and Rick “Bomb Iran” Santorum or Mitt “Bomb Iran” Romeny may be POTUS. Both of whom happen to be religious nutjobs.

  34. Neil Saunders

    6 Mar, 2012 - 6:49 pm

    Craig, I empathise with you entirely particularly as one who has family in Iran and is deeply worries for them and that wonderful and beautiful country. Wil they receive compenssation from the US / Israel when their homes if their homes are destroyed.

    I console myself (but only just) that a society from which the rose originated, the poetry of Firdausi was written and has not initiated a war for over two hundred and fifty years will outlast two fundamentalist states (U.S. + Israel).

    It would be well to remember that the Iranian Embassy in Paris during WW11 acted to help jews escape the nazis by issuing them with passports to enable their freedom – see Milani – Persian Spinx.

    And on the Russian election how many candidates will the U.S. ‘coronation’ have to choose from and is there, as they say, a ‘cigarette paper….’

    Apologies if this is a ‘ramble’ but you are an ‘oasis’ in a veritable desert.

  35. All true, but one of the most distressing aspects of all this is that the majority of the people – if they can be bothered to vote at all – vote FOR the very people that are causing all this. How can anyone think these filthy Tories could ever be good for the country, the NHS in particular, or working people in general? Unless one is rich, greedy selfish and heartless, what possible reason could one have to vote for them? Yet if there were another general election next week, we’d probably have the same results. Maybe the Tories would get an outright majority.
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    It’s said that general elections are a national IQ test. We failed ours in 2010.

  36. FUNNY PECULIAR ; )

    Exposure to Radical Evil, Absolute Evil – the evil of the camps, of illegal war, genocide and torture-to-death can be paralyzing. We are all so exposed today, via the internet.

    The only way to avoid succumbing either to that evil, or to despair, is by a) strong bonds of friendship to a community around us – not being isolated, or b) the experience of divinity – the numenous – ‘God’ if you will. Or, even better, both.

    Asked if he believed in God, Jung replied “I don’t believe. I know.” What did he know? – ‘Face to Face,’ interview with CG Jung. On video, on the internet. – Part 1 of 4

    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLJsiQ4h3fY

    Asked if he believed in God, Joseph Campbell replied, “I don’t believe. I know.” “I have love, hatred, anger, malice – I’d like to punch the guy’s jaw. These are different divinities within me.” – Power of Myth, Mythos. –

    If we are isolated – on the internet perhaps! ; ) – then another form of community is with those great figures from the past who worked so hard to make the world a better place. Some of whom are very funny indeed.

    Here’s one. –

    Howard Zinn is wonderful to watch on video. He is on fire with the truth and he has a great sense of humour. A wonderful combination. – Veterans for Peace Convention 2004 –

    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWH25ZLeG9Q

    More – comments page two for “Bin Laden’s Body Taken to US: Stratfor,” by The Journal, 4th March 2012, ICH –

    - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30718.htm

    And then there’s Monty Python. No, really!

    USUK Empire Neo-Con Nazism made mainstream by ‘Biggus Dickus,’ (of Wome on the Potomac) — Big Oil tool and US Torture promoter – brought to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, Aden, Syria, Egypt, Uzbekistan, Poland, Lithuania and many, many more —

    - “You lucky bastard” – Monty Python – Life of Brian -

    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TPQ0DEVaEk#t=0m40s

  37. Downwiththisosrtofthing

    He said this:

    I will only use force when the time and circumstances demand it. And I know that Israeli leaders also know all too well the costs and consequences of war, even as they recognize their obligation to defend their country.

    We all prefer to resolve this issue diplomatically. Having said that, Iran’s leaders should have no doubt about the resolve of the United States — just as they should not doubt Israel’s sovereign right to make its own decisions about what is required to meet its security needs.

    I have said that when it comes to preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, I will take no options off the table, and I mean what I say. That includes all elements of American power: a political effort aimed at isolating Iran, a diplomatic effort to sustain our coalition and ensure that the Iranian program is monitored, an economic effort that imposes crippling sanctions and, yes, a military effort to be prepared for any contingency.

    Iran’s leaders should understand that I do not have a policy of containment; I have a policy to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. And as I have made clear time and again during the course of my presidency, I will not hesitate to use force when it is necessary to defend the United States and its interests.

  38. perhaps morse significantly and less reported, he also said this:

    Four years ago, I stood before you and said that, “Israel’s security is sacrosanct. It is non-negotiable.” That belief has guided my actions as president. The fact is my administration’s commitment to Israel’s security has been unprecedented. Our military and intelligence cooperation has never been closer. Our joint exercises and training have never been more robust. Despite a tough budget environment, our security assistance has increased every single year. We are investing in new capabilities. We’re providing Israel with more advanced technology — the types of products and systems that only go to our closest friends and allies. And make no mistake: We will do what it takes to preserve Israel’s qualitative military edge — because Israel must always have the ability to defend itself, by itself, against any threat.

    This isn’t just about numbers on a balance sheet. As a senator, I spoke to Israeli troops on the Lebanese border. I visited with families who’ve known the terror of rocket fire in Sderot. And that’s why, as president, I have provided critical funding to deploy the Iron Dome system that has intercepted rockets that might have hit homes and hospitals and schools in that town and in others. Now our assistance is expanding Israel’s defensive capabilities, so that more Israelis can live free from the fear of rockets and ballistic missiles. Because no family, no citizen, should live in fear.

    And just as we’ve been there with our security assistance, we’ve been there through our diplomacy. When the Goldstone report unfairly singled out Israel for criticism, we challenged it. When Israel was isolated in the aftermath of the flotilla incident, we supported them. When the Durban conference was commemorated, we boycotted it, and we will always reject the notion that Zionism is racism.

    When one-sided resolutions are brought up at the Human Rights Council, we oppose them. When Israeli diplomats feared for their lives in Cairo, we intervened to save them. When there are efforts to boycott or divest from Israel, we will stand against them. And whenever an effort is made to delegitimize the state of Israel, my administration has opposed them. So there should not be a shred of doubt by now — when the chips are down, I have Israel’s back.

  39. You are indeed an oasis Craig and it is difficult not to despair at the corruption greed and hypocrisy of Whitehall.As to Jeremy Bellusman, he showed his true colours over Iraq,he is a lickspittle gatekeeper for the Brainwashing Corp: and it is no better over at I.T.V. where Jon”pure as the driven”Snow has been lachrymosing over torture in Syria on Ch:4 News with no mention of Abu Ghraib, Baha Mousa, or Torturing Tony’s renditions to Libya, Bagram, Guantanamo, you name it.Privatising the Police,how about privatising the Royals that would save the taxpayer a few million!Is the corruption worse in Russia? Why not ask the Chicago boys who went in at the beginning of the 90 s, I thought that was what was intended! I think Yesanyahoo and Obomba are in lockstep over Iran but the little people will,as usual, have to sweat it out.Pity if its to be WW3 I’m just getting an asparagus bed prepared on my allotement. We need this blog of sanity Craig don’t let the bastards grind you down.

  40. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    6 Mar, 2012 - 8:11 pm

    Craig, as a politician Obama does what they all do, say things that the audience wants to hear.
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    It’s the between the lines stuff that is more significant as I alluded to. Obama’s administration has been very consistent about the a US attack on Iran being done only to prevent Iran acquiring nuclear weapons. At the same time the US Department of Defense, the Pentagon, the CIA, the NSA and over half-a-dozen other US agencies have publicly confirmed (i.e. deliberately made the point) that Iran is not developing nuclear weapons. QED.

  41. It seems Israel has been buying influence in the US, at least with the media.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/tapping-the-israeli-embassy/

    Stephen Walt describes the influence of the Israel Lobby as classic interest politics: the small minority (a minority of American Jews who are blood-and-soil ethno-nationalists allied with a subset of evangelical christians trying to bring about the second coming) who care passionately have disproportionate influence as most don’t care very much.

    The GOP recently passed a religious Zionist resolution calling for Greater Israel:
    http://www.lobelog.com/gop-officially-endorses-one-state-solution/

  42. Peter Radon

    6 Mar, 2012 - 8:28 pm

    It simple Craig, just about every American Politician, excepting Ron Paul and Kucinich are on their knees to the Israel/Jewish Lobby AIPAC. It’s not just about the corrupting money Org. Jewry/AIPAC dole out, it’s the climate of fear they generate through the Mass Media they largely own and control. And make no mistake, these zios use it quite liberally when Polly-ti-shooons stray off the zionist point and exact revenge through smears and intimidation in that very media they own. This scares the Polls into absolute submission. I no longer have a Country – ZOG – We have a Zionist Occupied Govt. I’ve no other way to say it. Peter

  43. JERMYNSTREETJIM

    6 Mar, 2012 - 8:30 pm

    Apropos the efficacy (or otherwise), of the British Journalist, and his/her ability,to
    exercise their discipline, unhindered, I believe Humbert Wolfe summed it all up, didn’t he…..”You cannot hope to bribe or twist (thank God!) the British journalist. But, seeing what the man will do unbribed, there’s no occasion to.”……:-)

  44. What does he mean: “I have Israel’s back” It isn’t even parsable. It’s more like he has Israel’s scourge on his back, and he rather seems to enjoy it, pleads for more. All the gossip is that he’s a front-man for the Chicago mafia, through and through, owned, loyal servant of organised crime, a good old media stereotype; if that’s all he is he’d be acceptable. And he’s the ‘good-guy’ supposedly, what a choice for the American people, who think he’s some sort of redistributive socialist and despise him on that specious principle.
    .
    Israel is not pretty to contemplate, neither is the United States of Ignorance, where killing a few million ‘Ay-rabs’ is acceptable to keep their monster-truck civilian tanks running another half-dozen years, killing hordes their own citizens in the May 2001 attacks on the twin towers in New York, United Foodstuffs doesn’t faze them in the least either.
    .
    Yet oil is just an added bonus for the politician’s corporate chums, serving the whims of the paranoiac terminably insecure short-lived apartheid state of Judaized Mongolians and Khazars posing as semites, whilst killing off in vast numbers the true semites, the Palestinians and Bedouins whose ancestors have inhabited the Palestinian terrain since the holy works of fiction on which these bogus Israeli’s fantastic claims to that land are based, were still fresh from the fevered brows of their highly imaginative mass-media of the day, the scribes who were making it all up as they went along to favour whatever faction or cult they served. It must be so, it is Written.
    .
    So the world’s policeman is a bent copper on the make. Is it the world’s problem or an American problem? Does anyone anywhere think that with Israel, disarmed, neutered and rolled back to borders however insecure, acceptable to the dispossessed Palestinians and with restitution for lost homes, shops, businesses, land and way of life – all desirable things – paid, we won’t still have a problem of America and Americans living within their means and accepting their relatively insignificant place in the world? Democracy as we’ve practiced it for centuries in the west is inherently corrupt, dysfunctional, but I still say all we can do is address this disgraceful situation in our own country, and each in their own respective countries, the solution for us starts with the banishing of the Lib-Lab-Con puppet show, to the pages of history. A parliament of independent non-partisan representatives, drawn at random from the electorate, annually replaced anew, as propounded by the Levellers of old at Putney seems to recommend itself, such far-thinking ideals (presuming women weren’t excluded) were dashed by the bloodstained butcher and megalomaniacal religious nutcase Oliver Cromwell and the aristocracy rose more powerful and ruthless than ever before and lord it over us to this day.
    .
    We can’t influence either America or Israel, they’re beyond rationality and reason, but sorting our domestic scum and apologists is well within our rights and our means.
    .

  45. What does he mean: “I have Israel’s back” It isn’t even parsable. It’s more like he has Israel’s scourge on his back, and he rather seems to enjoy it, pleads for more. All the gossip is that he’s a front-man for the Chicago mafia, through and through, owned, loyal servant of organised crime, a good old media stereotype; if that’s all he is he’d be acceptable. And he’s the ‘good-guy’ supposedly, what a choice for the American people, who think he’s some sort of redistributive socialist and despise him on that specious principle.
    .
    Israel is not pretty to contemplate, neither is the United States of Ignorance, where killing a few million ‘Ay-rabs’ is acceptable to keep their monster-truck civilian tanks running another half-dozen years, killing hordes their own citizens in the May 2001 attacks on the twin towers in New York, United Foodstuffs doesn’t faze them in the least either.
    .
    Yet oil is just an added bonus for the politician’s corporate chums, serving the whims of the paranoiac terminably insecure short-lived apartheid state of Judaized Mongolians and Khazars posing as semites, whilst killing off in vast numbers the true semites, the Palestinians and Bedouins whose ancestors have inhabited the Palestinian terrain since the holy works of fiction on which these bogus Israeli’s fantastic claims to that land are based, were still fresh from the fevered brows of their highly imaginative mass-media of the day, the scribes who were making it all up as they went along to favour whatever faction or cult they served. It must be so, it is Written.
    .
    So the world’s policeman is a bent copper on the make. Is it the world’s problem or an American problem? Does anyone anywhere think that with Israel, disarmed, neutered and rolled back to borders however insecure, acceptable to the dispossessed Palestinians and with restitution for lost homes, shops, businesses, land and way of life – all desirable things – paid, we won’t still have a problem of America and Americans living within their means and accepting their relatively insignificant place in the world? Democracy as we’ve practiced it for centuries in the west is inherently corrupt, dysfunctional, but I still say all we can do is address this disgraceful situation in our own country, and each in their own respective countries, the solution for us starts with the banishing of the Lib-Lab-Con puppet show, to the pages of history. A parliament of independent non-partisan representatives, drawn at random from the electorate, annually replaced anew, as propounded by the Levellers of old at Putney seems to recommend itself, such far-thinking ideals (presuming women weren’t excluded) were dashed by the bloodstained butcher and megalomaniacal religious nutcase Oliver Cromwell and the aristocracy rose more powerful and ruthless than ever before and lord it over us to this day.
    .
    We can’t influence either America or Israel, they’re beyond rationality and reason, but sorting our domestic scum and apologists is well within our rights and our means.
    .
    It looks as if pre-moderation is taking place, that shouldn’t be necessary to keep on top of the spam-bots. Is Craig Murray still around after this brave post? We insist you post a picture of yourself, vertical and holding a recently dated newspaper.

  46. JERMYNSTREETJIM

    6 Mar, 2012 - 8:58 pm

    @Boniface Goncourt: As pithy ,pointed and pertinent, a piece of prose, that
    one could wish to ponder…!

  47. If Israel attacked Syria from the rear do you think Greece would help?

  48. Thanks Craig.

    Please feel free to weep.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk

    http://www.presstv.ir (note the health and arts section at the bottom)

    Big Mac anyone…

    Some light relief please.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIfu2A0ezq0

    Jay

    How about “Cultural Nationalism”

  49. William Chandler

    6 Mar, 2012 - 9:47 pm

    Israel’s “claim” to Palestine is based entirely on War Crimes and GENOCIDE.
    It is UNFAIR and WRONG to compare Israel to the Nazis.
    The CORRECT comparison is Nazis to Israelis:
    The Nazis copied the Jewish “Manual” point by point
    KILL THE SICK and CRIPPLED
    Numbers c.5 v.2-4
    KILL HOMOSEXUALS
    Leviticus c.20 v.13 well, really the whole chapter
    KILL ALL DISSIDENTS:
    Exodus c.32 v.27
    Numbers c.11 v.1-2
    Numbers c.16 all
    Numbers c.21 v.5-6
    Numbers v.26 v.10
    KILL anyone who engages in “DIVERSITY” or “INTEGRATION”
    Numbers v25 v.4-8
    Deuteronomy c.14 v.2
    DEHUMANIZE and then EXTERMINATE ALL NON-MEMBERS:
    Numbers c.21 v.03 Canaanites
    Numbers c.21 v.24 Amorites
    Numbers c.21 v.33-35 Bashan
    Numbers c.31 all Midianites
    Numbers c.32 v. more Amorites
    Deuteronomy c.2 v.34 People of Heshbon
    Deuteronomy c.3 v.6 really the whole chapter. threescore cities
    Joshua c.12 A list of victims of Israeli GENOCIDE
    Where are THEIR “holocaust” Memorials!
    OCCUPY YOUR VICTIM’S DWELLINGS/LAND
    Numbers c.21 v.25
    Numbers c.32 v.39
    Numbers c.33 v.53
    (just to name a FEW)
    GENOCIDE CODIFIED IN THEIR RELIGION
    Numbers c.33 v.31-34
    Deuteronomy c.7 v.2
    Deuteronomy c.12 v.28-30
    Deuteronomy c.20 v.11-16
    TERRORISM CODIFIED IN THEIR RELIGION
    Deuteronomy c.2 v.2
    Deuteronomy c.7 v.1
    Jews SELF-anointed “The CHOSEN People of GOD”
    Nazis SELF-anointed “The GENETICALLY CHOSEN People of God”.

  50. Completely understand the feeling Craig. Hearing and watching the atrocities being committed by Assad’s forces in Syria now i would love to believe that a NATO military intervention would save civilians, end the torture and bring democracy to Syria. I know, though, from what’s happenend in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya that the US and it’s allies never end torture or murders where they intervene – they either carry them out (Iraq and Afghanistan under Bush) or use proxies to carry them out (Iraq and Afghanistan El Salvador option death squads), or let some other extremists like some of the extreme jihadists among the rebel militias in Libya run riot fighting one another and torturing and killing people on mere suspicion of being Gaddafi supporters (some of their victims in Bani Walid apparently including rebels who fought against Gaddafi).

    US forces in Iraq did many of the same things the Syrian military are doing now in their assaults on cities like Fallujah and Samarra (targeting ambulances, targeting civilians with snipers, refusing to let aid in, seizing hospitals and dragging patients away to be tortured)

    If the US and its allies really cared about civilians being killed they wouldn’t be continuing to arm the Bahraini, Saudi, Egyptian and Yemeni dictatorships as they kill and torture civilians in Bahrain, Egypt and Yemen, which means their apparent concern about Syrian civilians is likely just propaganda for another move in the global Great Game.

    Given all this i’m very depressed about Syria because i believe it’s going to continue be a bloodbath whichever side is winning if it continues to be decided by force, with the only question being whether Sunni extremists will murder and torture Alawites or whether Alawites will contine to murder and torture Sunnis.
    Some kind of power sharing deal to allow a transition to democratic elections might avoid this – i don’t know – but neither side seems very interested in that. It’s already led to fighting in Lebanon and could end up with civil war in Iraq again too.

  51. Well spoken Glenn, its more of a case of genetic masochism. But votes are rigged, Blackburn being a case in hand. sadly our electoral commission has no real powers and is dependent on politicians for their existence and continual funding.

    Offering an alternative and setting up a campaign takes more than one candidate to make it a Tango and looking at the response one gets on political blogs for an alternative to the three main stooges/parties, then this leaves not much hope for it ever to change.
    Unless we are prepared to be an essential part for this change, we are partial to what is going on, by association.

    Maybe when the weather improves, moods will improve and change, just in case, start saving up some dosh for such eventuality.
    An alliance of Independents for peace must be worth a try, if not for us, lets do it for our grandchildren.
    Any rich donors out there?….

  52. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    6 Mar, 2012 - 10:06 pm

    What does he mean: “I have Israel’s back” It isn’t even parsable.
    .
    It’s originally from basket ball. If you pass the ball then say “I’ve got your back” it means go ahead and attack, I’ll be behind supporting you. Sounds ominous, but…. it’s also just a general street/slang expression that means to look after someone or their interests. e.g. You might say to someone “can you look after these stolen mobile phones?”, to which your friend can respond “Sure, I’ve got your back.”, meaning “yes, you can trust me.”.
    .
    As usual with Obama, one sentence, two meanings. I personally think his word-craft is very canny in that he is capable of projecting different messages to different groups with exactly the same words.

  53. What a load of bollocks you talk Mr. Cameron?
    ,

    For a tosspot in charge of a shaky coalition government, Mr. Cameron has come up with echoes of Tony Emily Bliar and his lies about Saddam’s missiles landing here in forty five minutes. Now Davy has come up with his version of forty five minutes; “Iran is planning an ‘inter-continental nuclear weapon’,” although the source of this divination in all probability is Mystique Meg, but to keep his sources secret Guardian (the paper that cheered the Iraq war) is attributing it to Kim Darroch whom reportedly has held a one hour seance, during which probably the winning lottery numbers may have been part of the discussion too.
    ,
    This is coming on the back of the last handy work of the same bunch of incompetents who went and banned the EU from buying any more oil from Iranians come September. This resulting in Iran stopping any sales of oil to UK immediately, in the current market of uncertainties pushing the price of oil higher, which is made even higher at the pump due to the coming hikes on fuel taxes.
    ,
    The fact that Davy may be experiencing a psychotic episode becomes clearer with his remarks denoted at the end of the farticle; “Iran should not be seen as “a mini superpower” but as “a disastrous country” with mass unemployment and a dysfunctional economy.”
    ,
    This leaving the reader perplexed at the disaster of a country planning to build Intercontinental Missiles to be rained on Europe!!!!!
    ,
    Can these conflicting feelings in his water be due to the little infection he may perhaps have picked up on the horse riding episode?

  54. “… and the light dies anyway.”

    No, it doesn’t , as long as bloggers like you keep at it.

    Having read the comments before posting, I appreciate that some may have good grounds for disagreeing with your statements. Fine and well! The entire point.

    I keep wondering, on reading your blog, why the UK mainstream media (of all colours) fail to do their (avowed) job: present facts, opinions from various quarters, and let the reader decide, once reasonably/fully informed of the issues.

    Don’t succumb to fatigue, please.

  55. William Chandler – I think you’re being unfair to many Jews and pretty much (and i hate using this term as it’s mis-used so often to refer to anyone criticising the Israeli government or military) anti-semitic.

    There are lots of Jews whose beliefs have nothing in common with those you’ve ascribed to them in that post, just as there are many Muslims who believe parts of the Quran and Hadith only applied to the seventh century Middle East, not the present.

    There are even many Israelis who don’t believe (or behave) anything like that – e.g the historian Avi Shlaim is one among many and there are even Israeli Jews who bring food and medicines to Palestinians and stand in front of Palestinian or Israeli houses to try to stop the bulldozers, or help them rebuild their homes if they are destroyed, plus the Israeli human rights group B’T Selem and many many others.

    Ascribing the views and actions of some extremists to everyone who is of the same religion is like claiming all atheists are Stalinists because Stalin was an atheist. It’s prejudice.

    Israel certainly has no claim to the whole of Palestine, no right to the West Bank and no right to blockade Gaza, nor refuse to negotiate with one half of the elected Palestinian government, nor do it’s forces have the right to kill Palestinian civilians or children any more than Palestinian terrorist groups have any right to target Israeli civilians. It does have some claim to a right to exist as a state inside the 1967 borders though, based on the UN Resolution that approved a Jewish and an Arab state alongside one another within the former British Mandate of Palestine.

  56. DownWithThisSortOfThing
    “I have Israel’s back” It isn’t even parsable.
    All his sucking up has given him chapped lips, these were playing havoc on his mind and his parsing.

  57. Below from the ex Senator for South Dakota, the American Palestinian Jim Abourezk to Jonathan Marcus, the unfeeling and arrogant BBC Defence Editor.
    .
    Ref the Medialens editors’ latest piece about Israeli bombing Osirak in 1981 and their correspondence with Jonathan Marcus.
    .
    Latest Alert: Bombing Osirak, Burying UN Resolution 487
    http://www.medialens.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=671:bombing-osirak-burying-un-resolution-487-an-exchange-with-the-bbcs-jonathan-marcus&catid=25:alerts-2012&Itemid=9
    .

    Re: Response to latest alert
    Posted by The Editors on March 6, 2012, 7:16 pm, in reply to “Response to latest alert”
    Dear Mr. Marcus:
    .
    I was sent a copy of your exchange with Media Lens with respect to Israel’s plan to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities. You are to be congratulaed in sliding out from under any responsibility at all for promoting an attack by Israel with your writing. I’m reminded of Judith Miller’s prolific work which provided a lot of impetus for Bush to attack Iraq, but for which she denied any credit. If you have indeed, as you say, seen war close up, then you might have an obligation to ease up on such writings that “pile on” to the many others here in the US who have some sort of interest in seeing Iran removed from the Middle East. Frankly, many of us here in America are frightened that President Obama might bend to the pressures of Bibi Netanyahu and Israel’s lobby and get us involved in another war over there. I’ve tried to count the number of wars in which the US has been an active participant over the last several decades, but it’s a mostly depressing exercise. In short, we’ve had enough of wars of choice, of the blood spilled, of the money wasted, of the broken bodies that make it home, and of the trauma with which the families of soldiers must deal with when those still alive make it home. I would be most grateful that, if you want to put some luster on your writing career, that you find another subject other than pushing the US into another tragedy.
    .
    Best regards.
    .
    Jim Abourezk
    Sioux Falls, South Dakota

  58. An Open Letter to the London Olympics Committee
    .
    The Agent Orange Games?
    by LEN ALDIS
    .
    Lord Coe. Chair; Sir Keith Mills, Deputy Chair; HRH the Princess Royal; Charles Allen; Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari; Sir Phillip Craven; Paul Deighton, Chief Exe; Jonathan Edwards; Tony Hall; Andrew Hunt; Justin King; Stephen Lovegrove; Adam Penglly; Tim Reddish; Lord Moynihan; Sir Craig Reedie; Martin Stewart; Sir Robin Wales. Mayor of Newham; Neil Wood.
    .
    In a few weeks, unless you take action, the Olympic Stadium will have been surrounded by a wrap comprising 336 giant panels made by a company responsible for deaths of many thousands, including thousands of babies that died in their mother’s womb. Responsible for the deaths of many more thousands of those that lived for just a few months.
    .
    That company is Dow Chemical, whose record was known to each and everyone of you through the many court cases it has had brought against them in the United States for disposing of tonnes of highly toxic waste into rivers and lakes near its plants. For lawsuits brought by American Vietnam Veterans and Vietnamese suffering from the effects of Agent Orange.
    .
    But let me remind each of you, the biggest crime of Dow Chemical was its part, along with 35 other U.S. Chemical Companies, headed by Monsanto, in manufacturing Agent Orange used with devastating effect on Southern Vietnam for a period of TEN-YEARS, yes, TEN-YEARS. 80 million litres of the chemical was sprayed over the forests, crops, hamlets and the PEOPLE themselves, from August 1961 to 1971, resulting in the deaths mentioned above.
    .
    Through the use of Agent Orange, Dow Chemical and the others have left a legacy that today in Vietnam affects four million. It has also entered into the fourth generation. From my first visit in 1989 and each year since, I have met and seen many of these tragic victims, of all ages, from new born babies that are minus feet and sometimes hand, young children suffering from water on the brain, and their heads four-times the normal size where their illness is slowly crushing the brain that ends in death.
    .
    I have met with youngsters minus a limb, some minus two; some will be confined to a bed or wheelchair for the rest of their lives unable to fend for themselves. In Dong Nai I met a mother and her two daughters both unable to move or speak but just lay on their bed, the mother looks after them and their needs and has done so for 42 years, the age of her eldest daughter, the other daughter is 36 years. I could describe more of the people I have met over the past 22 years. But what angers me more is when I see children affected that were born after the spraying stopped in 1971 and long after the ward ended in 1975.
    .
    This is what Dow Chemicals has done to the people of Vietnam, and each of you have seemed fit to support the appointment of the company to be a sponsor of the Games that opens in London on 27th July despite the many objections made by people from a number of countries.
    .
    Shame on you all.
    .
    LEN ALDIS is secretary of the Britain-Vietnam Friendship Society.
    .
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/03/06/the-agent-orange-games/

  59. Thanks, DownWithThisSortOfThing, for the explanation, it wasn’t clear at all but is now, I’m only familiar with the expression in the forms: ‘watch my back’ ‘I’ll watch your back’, more usually though when up to something nefarious, requiring someone ‘keeping the edgy’ -to protect or similar, not ever ‘got your back’ or some such opaque distortion, not unlike the the ambiguous ‘could care less’ for more correct and inherently logical ‘couldn’t care less’.
    .
    I gave Cameron six months from election before cracking, didn’t expect his physical collapse to preclude his overdue mental deterioration, imminent now it will be all the more of a spectacle; we couldn’t have guily-as-hell LFI groupie Brown take over either again, much as he looks keen, bewildered and a study in innocent pious haplessness. How about John McDonnell as a possible parallel prime-minister in waiting? It’ll only be till each of the home nations evolve themselves and escape from the Westminster and party cesspit to new constitutional sunlit high grounds.

  60. Two UK Murdoch journalists in apparent suicide bids
    ,
    Dr Kelly revisited X 2 (inflation affects everything apparently)
    ,
    LONDON (Reuters) – Two senior journalists working for Rupert Murdoch’s News International have apparently attempted suicide as pressure mounts at the scandal-hit publisher of the now-defunct News of the World.
    Three sources close to the company told Reuters on Tuesday the two journalists at the Sun daily appeared to have tried to take their own lives. Investigations sparked by a phone-hacking scandal continue to expose dubious practices by present and past employees.

  61. I don’t think Obama is “on his knees” before Israel… They are two tentacles of the same monstrous octopus. Read around and you’ll find strong evidence that there is a global movement involved, with its “secret” (less secret now) hand signals and emblems. Once you know what they are, you see them everywhere. Sad to report that as far as I can tell, every major organisation on the planet is infected.

  62. Craig:
    .
    “I fear in truth they could shoot asylum seeker children on the streets without the bulk of the population lifting a finger. ”
    .
    Indeed… But how does one protest? Call me paranoid, but I can’t get over the suspicion that sites like Big Brother Watch are honey traps. If undermining civil liberties is the name of the game, we can be sure that plentiful resources are being devoted to sabotaging dissent.

  63. As far as I can tell … your observation of the polpulace of the world is spot on …. have always found … “As long as the burgers are Hot and the beers cold and an endless stream of “reality” TV shows are playing 98% of the worlds population could give a ratz a*se what happens elsewhere” …… the money ratio might be 99:1 … but the retard factor ratio is 98:2 !! :) … Me Here I just laugh and watch the circus unfold !! and its getting funnier each day !!

  64. DownWithThisSortOfThing said on 6 Mar, 2012 – 6:08 pm “The way things are going the Government will be privatised soon”
    .
    .
    I’m afraid the government was ‘Privatised’ hundreds of years ago and works for teh Private Elite and not the people.
    .
    .
    It’s nothing new, the Internet, over the last 15 years or so has just allowed ordinary people the luxury of mass communication and mass information distribution that previously only the Elite enjoyed.
    .
    .
    .
    We are simply more aware

  65. @ Fedup – David Kelly didn’t commit suicide.

  66. @ Craig,

    ” Then we have Obama on his knees before AIPAC, accepting his marching orders and promising that the US will participate if Israel decides to attempt to launch Armageddon. Are there no US taxpayers out there, unbesotted by religous fanatacism, who find it humiliating to have their national leader so obviously powerless and crawling before the Israeli lobby? Given that it is the US which funds Israel, and not vice versa, it is all very peculiar. Or is it simply that the US taxpayer funds Israel, but Israel funds US politicians, thus Israel is simply a de facto pimp in the diversion of taxpayers money into politicians’ pockets?”

    Obama has just spoken out of the other side of his mouth. He is saying that the diplomatic route will be taken. I believe that the reality of lose-lose by way of an attack on Iran was fully debated by Obama with Netanyahu and they both decided – there is no win-lose in this game.

    They will now all dance around the issue, Obama will be re-elected and the Palestinians will continue to be fucked by the Israelis. No war!

  67. Here’s my take on Obama’s speech at AIPAC, for what it is worth:
    .
    In this speech, Obama seems to me to be saying that the US is not going to attack Iran. The only question I have is whether or not he’s giving the nod to Israel. As if he’s also saying that the Israelis can count on the US to block anything in the UN Security Council. Of course, I am sure that Obama and Netanyahu will have spoken much more candidly in private.
    .
    From 9:00 minutes on, Obama sounds to me as though he is saying, “I’ve done quite enough for Israel right now, thank you very much, and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.” It’s a kind of throat-clearing moment that is obvious also for how long it goes on for; the Goldstone Report, the Mavi Marmara, the Durban conference, denying Palestinian statehood at the UNGA. In fact, in that last one, he spoke in a pretty similar way to the Palestinians as he did at AIPAC to the Israelis, talking about how he has worked hard for them and thinks it is about time he got some credit and, no, he is not going to do that for them just yet; a lot more conditions need to be satisfied.
    .
    From 20:00 onwards he is saying that he has done pretty much everything possible, so far, to prevent a nuclear Iran and has put considerable pressure on them. But, he makes it pretty clear after that that the US is not going to strike Iran.
    .
    But… at 27:00, it does sound almost like a “green light” moment, in which he says that Israel have the US’s if Iran doubts Israel’s “sovereign right to make its own decisions about what is required to meet its security needs”. Anybody care to translate what that means?
    .
    At 29:00 or so, “Already there is too much loose talk of war…Now is not the time for bluster… Teddy: Speak softly and carry a big stick.” He suggests that this talk of war only helps Iran which is obviously not what the US and Israel want to do.
    .
    My take home from this is that Obama’s saying no.
    .
    Any thoughts?

  68. make of these what you will:

    2 March: UPI: Gazprom ‘mulls joining Israel’s gas boom’
    Gazprom, Russia’s biggest energy conglomerate, is reported looking to work with Israel on the Jewish state’s vast offshore natural gas reserves
    Ynet, the English-language Web site of Israel’s Yediot Ahronot mass-circulation Hebrew daily, said a Gazprom team has scheduled meetings with the consortium that made major strikes in 2009-10 and expects to make more.
    This consists of the Noble Energy Inc. of Houston and Israel’s Delek Group headed by tycoon Yitzhak Tshuva.
    The Russians reportedly are interested in a partnership in the Leviathan field, the biggest gas zone found so far in Israel’s exclusive economic zone. It contains an estimated 16 trillion cubic feet of gas. The next biggest field is Tamar, which contains an estimated 8 tcf…
    Israel’s gas fields account for only a fraction of the energy riches believed to lie in the Levant Basin that stretches from Syria through Lebanon, Israel, the Gaza Strip and Egypt and includes the waters of the island of Cyprus…
    Ynet said the team from Gazprom, the Russian gas monopoly, which produces 94 percent of Russia’s gas, was headed by the company’s managing director of its global liquefied natural gas division, Frederic Barnaud.
    Gazprom officials visited Israel in 2011 and in two days of talks examined three partnerships options in the Leviathan field…
    Turkey, determined to become the region’s paramount power and at odds with Moscow over Syria, wouldn’t look kindly on Russia muscling into its backyard on such a strategic level…
    Lebanon is at odds with Israel, with which it is technically still at war. Beirut claims Leviathan extends into its waters north of the Jewish state…
    Israel has stepped up military cooperation with Greece, Turkey’s ancient rival, while expansionist Turkey has vowed to send in its navy if Ankara feels threatened by Greek Cypriot exploration.
    http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Energy-Resources/2012/03/02/Gazprom-mulls-joining-Israels-gas-boom/UPI-44941330720812/

    7 March: The News, Pakistan: Syed Aayan Hussain: Energy shortage: an unfortunate menace for Pakistan
    Since 1990s Pakistan has been trying to materialize the TAPI and IP gas pipeline projects…
    The IP gas pipeline is imperative for addressing the worsening energy crisis, confronting Pakistan. Iran has the second-largest gas reserves in the world and aims to export 8.7 billion cubic meters per year of the Iranian natural gas to Pakistan under the multi-billion-dollar Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline project…
    Initially, this project also included India and was termed as Iran-Pakistan-India (IPI) pipeline project but withdrew in 2009 on the pretext of insecurity and high gas pricing concerns, which is not true. In reality, following a civilian nuclear deal with the US and the ensuing American pressure prompted India to withdraw from the deal. At one hand the US administration succeeded in preventing India from becoming part of the IPI project and attempted to dissuade Pakistan from the project on the other hand. The energy-starved Islamabad, however, stood its ground and continues to stick to it despite new American sanctions against Iran…
    The Obama administration wants Pakistan to pursue TAPI as the preferred option notwithstanding the IP project promises four times cheaper energy as compared to TAPI pipeline project…
    For Washington, Pakistan’s pressing energy requirements hardly matter when it comes to its antagonism with Tehran. In the same fashion, Pakistan should prioritise its own interests first and forge ahead with the proposed pipeline from Iran to fulfil its energy needs rather than cater for US wishes and aspiration.
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-13-12995-Energy-shortage-an-unfortunate-menace-for-Pakistan

    3 March: Executive Magazine: Paul Cochrane: Cashing in on conflict
    And while logic would dictate that international oil companies (IOCs) would stand to lose out during a conflict, with operations curtailed and production affected, they would in fact reap profits. “IOCs are happy to have war,” said Anna Abrahamian, an independent energy lawyer. “Certainly insurance fees would go up, but the profits they would make would exceed the risk. That is why when the US pushed for sanctions on Iran no IOCs objected, and there are some companies that have scenarios for making money during sanctions or if a pipeline is blown up somewhere.” She added: “IOCs are praying to go into Iran.”
    http://www.executive-magazine.com/getarticle.php?article=15223

  69. boniface goncourt

    7 Mar, 2012 - 1:06 am

    @Duncan McFarlane

    Zionist crimes in Palestine are semitic, so we must be anti-semitic.

    @William Chandler

    A stroll down memory lane, from Edward Gibbon, Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (1776): From the reign of Nero to that of Antoninus Pius, the Jews discovered a fierce impatience of the dominion of Rome, which repeatedly broke out in the most furious massacres and insurrections. Humanity is shocked at the recital of the horrid cruelties which they committed in the cities of Egypt, of Cyprus, and of Cyrene, where they dwelt in treacherous friendship with the unsuspecting natives, and we are tempted to applaud the severe retaliation which was exercised by the arms of the legions against a race of fanatics whose dire and credulous superstition seemed to render them the implacable enemies not only of the Roman government, but of human kind. In Cyrene they massacred 220,000 Greeks; in Cyprus 240,000; in Egypt, a very great multitude. Many of these unhappy victims were sawed asunder, according to a precedent to
    which David had given the sanction of his example. The victorious Jews devoured the flesh, licked the blood, and twisted the entrails like a girdle around their bodies.

    Plus ca change, eh? On the other hand…
    “We have no blueprint of what to do,” the chairman of the Jewish Agency for Israel, Sallai Meridor, said at an emergency session of the Jewish Agency’s Institute for Jewish People Policy Planning. According to the institute’s statistics, world Jewry is losing an average of 50,000 Jews per year — or 150 Jews every day. There are now some 12.9 million Jews in the world, according to the institute’s statistics.

    So, by the year 2270…problem solved!

  70. 6 March: El Al to Move Flights to IDF Base If Iran Attacks: Report
    Israel’s El Al airlines will move its flights to military bases in the event of a war with Iran, reports the Maariv newspaper. El Al denies
    Israel’s national air carrier El Al will move its flights to military bases in the event of a war with Iran, according to the Hebrew-language Maariv newspaper.
    Company executives reportedly met in an urgent discussion to deal with wartime scenarios as the Israeli government repeatedly warns that “time is running out” for a military attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities.
    An El Al spokesman claimed that the report is “baseless” but did not say what the airline would do in case of war…
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/153482#.T1ZGYnnF9Bk

  71. Craig – best thing you’ve written for ages. Of course it’s much worse than you say but nor are you a million miles away from the mark either.
    .
    As for ‘unfair to Jews’ – where are these good Jews? Best I can make out, Jewish people break down into three approximate headings: warmongering fiends that control the foreign policy of all the English speaking countries directing them as golems to smash their perceived enemies; the noisy and useless, empty-vessel opposition who achieve nothing of any use whatsoever; and those who aren’t quite either but regardless are as antipathetic to discussions of things Jewish as they are sympathetic to discussions of Muslim wickedness. And with all of them, the philologically abortionate expression ‘anti-semitism’ is always the first word out of their mouths.
    .
    Oh wait, I forgot Gilad Atzmon. Mind you, I notice even he scrupulously avoids any mention of the Talmud, or more to the point, what’s in it. Speaking of which, did someone ask for links just now? Here’s one.

  72. PS. For those with limited time just skip to points 7 and 8 in the above link. They’re quite telling and for mine contain everything that needs to be said about the Talmud.

  73. @ Angry,

    “Here’s my take on Obama’s speech at AIPAC, for what it is worth:
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    In this speech, Obama seems to me to be saying that the US is not going to attack Iran. The only question I have is whether or not he’s giving the nod to Israel. As if he’s also saying that the Israelis can count on the US to block anything in the UN Security Council. Of course, I am sure that Obama and Netanyahu will have spoken much more candidly in private.”

    I think that you have your finger on the pulse and pretty sound perspective ( this time – n.b. while I remain silent on many things – “sometimes” Angry gets it spot on).

    Thanks – good post.

  74. boniface goncourt

    7 Mar, 2012 - 1:44 am

    @nobody
    I have had some chat with the great and good Gilad Atzmon.
    He makes it clear he is an EX jew, ‘no longer a member’.
    No one gives such a clear explanation of zionism and why it is a philosophical and cultural evil as well as a merely political one. Google his website, lots of brilliant articles to download.

  75. Nobody: As for ‘unfair to Jews’ – where are these good Jews? Best I can make out, Jewish people break down into three approximate headings: warmongering fiends that control the foreign policy of all the English speaking countries directing them as golems to smash their perceived enemies; the noisy and useless, empty-vessel opposition who achieve nothing of any use whatsoever; and those who aren’t quite either but regardless are as antipathetic to discussions of things Jewish as they are sympathetic to discussions of Muslim wickedness. And with all of them, the philologically abortionate expression ‘anti-semitism’ is always the first word out of their mouths.

    .
    You prefer Jew Hater? Come one, Nobody, don’t be coy. You hate Jews, right? And you think that the problems of the world are almost entirely the cause of Jews, right?

  76. Nobody: PS. For those with limited time just skip to points 7 and 8 in the above link. They’re quite telling and for mine contain everything that needs to be said about the Talmud.

    .
    Blah, blah, blah. It’s like listening to Robert Spencer on Islam. Or Hitler on the Jews.

  77. @ Boniface – i’ve always condemned Israeli war crimes as much as Palestinian terrorism when it targets civilians and support either a Palestinian state alongside an Israeli one or (if a majority of Israelis and Palestinians both come to support it – which they might in future) a single secular state solution.

    Israeli forces committing war crimes does not justify blaming all Jews for their actions. It’s totally and utterly illogical – like blaming all British people for the decisions Tony Blair made, only making even less sense, as many Jewish people aren’t even Israelis.

    You could find plenty of massacres of civilians in ancient or medieval history committed by any religion you care to mention – including Roman legionaries and Christian crusaders – and plenty of atrocities committed by atheists under Stalin too. That proves nothing about all Jews today, any more than Roman atrocities could prove all ancient or modern Italians are evil. No logic there whatsoever – just prejudice.
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    Nobody wrote “As for ‘unfair to Jews’ – where are these good Jews?”

    That statement sounds a lot like “where are the good blacks?” or “where are the good Muslims?” or even an Israeli extremist asking “where are the good Arabs?” – because it is a lot like those statements.

    They are all over the world, including in Israel. Let me list a small number of the millions of them, purely as examples. Israeli historian Avi Shlaim who has condemned Israeli war crimes and has said that the only way to peace is to give not just Israelis, but also Palestinians, security – saying Israel’s government are giving Palestinians no security whatsoever as they can be killed at any moment.

    Holocaust survivor Primo Levi who condemned Begin’s occupation of Lebanon and the war crimes committed in it.

    Jewish American academic Norman Finkelstein who has condemned Israeli war crimes repeatedly, at the cost of losing his job.

    British Labour MP Gerald Kaufmann, who has consistently condemned Israeli war crimes including during the Gaza war and before that during Sharon’s offensives in Jenin and Nablus.

    If you google a bit, or read Israeli historian Baruch Kimmerling’s book ‘politicide’ (he was condemning Sharon’s attempt to wipe out any chance of a Palestinian state by force) you’ll also discover that there are Israeli jews who bring food and medicines to Palestinians, stand in front of Israeli Arab and Palestinian homes when the Israeli army is going to demolish them and help them rebuild or repair damage to their houses.

    There are the Israelis of the human rights group B’T Selem.

    There are millions of other good people who are Jewish who either have no involvement in Israeli war crimes or oppose them – and some of the opponents are even former members of the Israeli military like Avi Shlaim and the Breaking the Silence group.

    Nobody wrote “Best I can make out, Jewish people break down into three approximate headings: warmongering fiends that control the foreign policy of all the English speaking countries directing them as golems to smash their perceived enemies; the noisy and useless, empty-vessel opposition who achieve nothing of any use whatsoever; and those who aren’t quite either but regardless are as antipathetic to discussions of things Jewish as they are sympathetic to discussions of Muslim wickedness.”

    Ah so any Jew who has no involvement in Israeli war crimes, or who speaks out against Israeli war crimes, is discounted as part of “the noisy and useless empty vessel opposition who achieve nothing of any use whatsoever” in order to try to say any example of a good Jewish person is in fact useless. Nice sophistry. Got any actual achievements to boast of in preventing war crimes or helping Palestinians, like many of the Jews that go to the West Bank to stand in front of bulldozers, or are you perhaps just a “noisy and useless empty vessel” yourself who is good at empty criticism but not much else?

    Also how do you know that your third made up category of Jews are all prejudiced against Muslims? That’s you projecting your prejudice onto them as far as i can see.

    Quoting excerpts from the Talmud as supposed evidence that all Jews are extremists is the same kind of nonsense that people who hate all Muslims come out with about the Quran and the Hadith. In reality there are many different interpretations of each religion by different members of it – the same as some Catholics think gay marriage and gay bishops are ok, while others oppose them. There are parts of the Quran and the Hadith not taken to apply literally, or not taken to apply to the modern world at all. Some Christians think the New Testament over-rides the Old Testament, or even that the entire Bible involves metaphors rather than to be taken literally, while others take the Old Testament literally and to apply to the modern world. Similarly with Judaism there are many different interpretations of what it means and how to be a good Jew held by many different Jews.

  78. Angrysoba – yes i’d agree with that summary of Obama’s speech. I’m not very happy with it as i agree with American generals and some Israeli historians and others whose assessment is that Iran would only use nuclear weapons as a deterrent if they got them, but it’s maybe the best(or least bad) we’re likely to get while AIPAC can still make American politicians fear losing elections if it gets on the wrong side of them.

  79. @ Duncan,

    There is an intermediate position that you have not considered:-

    If the Iranians have the capacity to enrich to weapons grade level, but there policy is that they will not do so “unless” – come now – think.

    I wrote something back in 2006. Methinks that what I said was spot on – now the great President of the US of A is there. Thank goodness for brain power and great chess players ( maybe the game was invented in India and migrated to Persia – or maybe Persia gave the world the game). Now – do we all want to bring on World War 111? Surely – NOT!

    http://www.legalpolitics.org/2006/02/referred-iran-non-co-operation-with-the-iaea/

    PEACE!

  80. ” there policy”

    No

    “their policy”

  81. @Courtenay – yep, that’s very possible – they might well develop the capability but not actually construct and deploy warheads unless they think they need them to deter an attack – or an attack might lead them to construct nuclear weapons that they might not have actually constructed otherwise (Khameini has issued fatwas against them in the past and Ahmadinejad is so far losing in a power struggle with Khameini)

    I would like to believe that Obama is doing what you suspect he’s doing, but i suspect Obama means what he says – that he hopes to get Iran to end it’s nuclear programme through sanctions and political pressure, but that if that doesn’t work, he’ll consider using military force. Obama seems to me to have some good intentions, but at the end of the day will do whatever it takes to ensure he’s re-elected and to try to regain control of congress for the Democrats – and that includes avoid getting criticised too much on foreign policy as being supposedly weak or failing to back Israel.

    I don’t see any Iranian government being likely to back down and give in to demands from the US and Britain – too much of what little legitimacy they have is based on having stood up to the US and Britain and reversed the 1953 coup and the Shah’s dictatorship to make Iran independent of foreign powers

  82. Duncan – let us all be sensible.

    How in goodness name would a country continually under threat retreat ( do recall 1953).

    So – what must Iran do? Obviously – protect itself from a war of aggression and just recall Libya’s sorry situation.

    But – let us all reason ( sent Bush this back in 2006 – not that he took much note of it – and his non-attention might ( we hope not) be reflected in Obama) – Difference is Obama does have brain power – albeit Castro called him a “robot” – but maybe thinking power is now being built into even “robots”:-

    From: The desk of Courtenay Francis Raymond Barnett
    To: President George W. Bush
    The White House
    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
    Washington D.C.
    U.S.A.

    11th August, 2006

    Dear George,

    Re: Terrorism

    This is a personal appeal for you to decide. I know that you are “the decider” who will make sensible decisions once you read this letter. The topic is terrorism.

    The noun “terrorism” is on a lot of peoples’ minds.

    The Oxford English dictionary informs me that the word means, “use of violence and intimidation especially for political purposes.”

    I recall Nelson Mandela resorting to violence when peaceful requests failed to achieve his political ends of justice and representation for all South Africans. The Palestinians seem likewise to have been radicalised over time after their legitimate political grievances for justice, representation and statehood were ignored.

    Keeping occupied land, not respecting the dictates of UN Resolution 242 while not withdrawing to the 1967 borders, imprisonment of thousands of Palestinians, building Apartheid walls around the Palestinians, of course are the types of minor irritants that could never in the minds of fair and just people ever constitute any form of violence or intimidation for political purposes –never! It is the Palestinian terrorists that we need to fight George for they are the core of the problem.

    Your attitude does seem to be that we must fight Arabs ( unless they become compliant partners such as our friends in the House of Saud), Moslems, immigrants, communists like Hugo Chavez and the majority that democratically support him in Venezuela, poor people at home and abroad, minorities, liberals and working people everywhere – to mention a few of the human vermin we must oppose to defend democracy. Surely, it is not hard to accept that it is all the above people most likely to use terrorist bombs, but the ones who build and supply the bombs even from the US can never be termed terrorists.

    Your policies are truly just because you fight the Islamic terrorists. Best to supply bigger and better bombs to Israel George, to kill all the terrorists.

    It really was necessary to permit this war in Lebanon to escalate because you genuinely want a just and lasting peace and we do need to find and kill all the terrorists, every last one. As the world can see, your decision to let the war in Lebanon continue has produced admirable results. Terrorist bridges have been destroyed, terrorist babies have been killed, terrorist highways have been bombed, terrorist apartment buildings have been razed to the ground, substantial terrorist infrastructure has been reduced to rubble, terrorist highways are left impassable, entire terrorist families driving along with their few personal belongings have been annihilated, and even a fair number of terrorist octogenarians have been removed from their life of terrorism. We appreciate that this occurred because it was necessary and you had to decide wisely and humanely to let the cycle of hatred and slaughters continue so as to kill the terrorists.

    It is widely appreciated that your policies are ever increasingly promoting social cohesion and global peace being the compassionate conservative humanitarian that you are.

    The policy prescriptions relied on to find and kill all terrorists, has let the majority of sensible people in the world glean that terrorists are born and are not bred by their circumstances and perceptions. It thus remains constructive for you to continue pursuing
    every terrorist baby and get to them with more pre-emptive invasions to those countries in which the terrorists are born.

    It would, of course, be unjust at this stage, to suggest for a moment, that the idea of occupying others’ countries, ousting foreign leaders, or worse yet inviting their assassination is anything other than the use of violence or intimidation for political purposes. However, we can rest assured that legitimate force deployed by your good self as Commander in Chief is quite distinct from the savage terrorism that truly dangerous people employ in the world.

    George, with your brilliant mind, clear-headed grasp of the dynamics of world affairs, and even deeper knowledge of history these attributes leave us in no doubt that you will continue with the great job that you are doing. Your distinguished military career is an ever supporting great asset which gives us even more confidence in the personal sacrifices you are willing to make to protect our freedoms with the demonstrated bravery you have at heart.

    More time is needed George, we do understand. Your handling of the Palestine problem assures us of a lasting peace based on your decisions as we continue to rout out the terrorists. When we consider Israel, I, along with many more millions in the world, take solace that you are a faith-based leader and decider. Israel, you have decided, is totally correct and there was no need for an immediate ceasefire in the Lebanon war. Let the disproportionate bombing continue, the deaths and hatreds spread and the cycle of violence roam the Middle East and escape into the wider world. The world remains extremely appreciative of these charitable decisions – and we know that charity does begin at home from the White House.

    The sensible, decent, freedom and peace loving majority of the world are with you and your policies George.

    Believe me George, that I speak for literally millions of people around the world who see events in the way I have described. Despite the genie of hatred having been let out free to roam the Middle East – we are confident that you know how to and will catch and put him permanently back in his bottle with your policies. We also know that your polices are assured of winning your unending “ war on terror”. Obdurate as the “war on terror” is, you have a wonderful grasp of events and the laws of cause and effect that will ensure that you win this unending war that you have declared on the world.

    As we struggle for justice in this world of your design and desire, we ( some of us in graves) rest assured that so too do you struggle for your own special brand of justice and global peace.

    Compassionately yours as well.

    Yours faithfully,

    Courtenay

    P.S. Remember that you are a respected and great student of history George who will recall these words: “This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation’s homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into veins of peoples normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice and love: Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

  83. Nobody: As for ‘unfair to Jews’ – where are these good Jews?
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    Here’s one:
    .
    The Majority Report with Sam Seder/ Majority Report Radio must be run by one of those ‘self-hating Jews’, since the host likes to rag on Israeli atrocities on a regular basis, and thinks Israel should withdraw to their pre-1967 boarders. Despite this blatant antisemitism, he has a number of regular guests who are also of the Jewish persuasion. This Jewish self-hating business must be wider than generally appreciated.

  84. Hmm, the link didn’t come out. The Majority Report (live every weekday) can be heard here, at 11:30 EST, 16:30 GMT:
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    http://majority.fm/

  85. Whoosh! Off we go!
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    No comments on the Talmud? No? Nothing? It remains unspeakable it seems.
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    In a discussion of the Jewish state and its control of the Western nations it seems we may not discuss what comprises and drives the Jewish. Sure enough, were we to discuss any other people we could happily analyse them by way of their religious books: Buddhists and Pali Canon; Hindus and the Vedas; and of course Muslims and the Koran. God knows the latter has been picked over with a fine tooth comb – 72 virgins and all that. All the better so that we might know to hate them.
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    Hatred aside, we would do this, and quite rightly, because their respective religious books are an expression of their identity and were written in order to mould their characters in the desired fashion. And the Talmud is no different. It is an expression of Jewish will and was written in turn to shape that will. Okay, so what does it say?
    .
    Try and find a copy of it on the net. Good luck – it’s nowhere. What sort of religious book is kept hidden? A nasty one? Why does the Talmud say “Every goy who studies the Talmud and every Jew who helps him in it, ought to die,” and “To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the goyim knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly”? Could this be because it’s a racist tract that codifies hateful racist behaviour against non-Jews (which is to say goyim, which is to say ‘beasts’), and indeed exemplifies such behaviour as virtuous? As God is my witness, it does precisely that. And if you want to view the above two quotes as admissions of guilt don’t let me stop you.
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    The Talmud is the single most racist thing I’ve ever read bar none. Somebody above called me a racist did they? Ha ha ha ha ha. I’ll tell you what I am – the biggest anti-racist anyone here ever met. I’m so anti-racist I’ll even call Jews out. They are the greatest racists the world has ever seen. Easily better at it than the Nazis or the South Africans of apartheid.
    .
    And yeah, yeah, I know there are lots of nice Jewish people of the ‘some of my best friends are non-Jewish’ variety. And yeah, I know that they’re barely Jewish – hell, all the Jewish people I know eat bacon, completely not religious. And yeah yeah, ‘ethnic Jewish’ – the thing is, they’re not ethnic Jewish either. All the Jewish people I know are Ashknazis: Johnny-come-lately converts from the 9th century. Semitic? I doubt anyone here has ever met one. I never have. Okay, so why are Jewish people Jewish? What is Jewish? No religion, no ethnicity, no nothing apart from an us-and-them mindset. And what is that if not racism?
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    This essential us-and-them mindset is sine qua non territory for Jews. It comprises their metaphoric DNA and makes them racists to their bootstraps. And me, I’ll say it to their faces. I see no differences between a racist majority who see themselves as better/different/other to a minority, and a racist minority who wherever they go see themselves as better/different/other to the majority.
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    I’m glad Atzmon is an ex-Jew. Hats off to him. But he’s a pretty sad minority ain’t he? A minority of one person, best I can make out. And yeah, I’ve been through his site, read a ton of his stuff and thought it was all a step in the right direction. But he still will not discuss the Talmud and its extreme, nth degree racism. Still, he seems like a decent chap and good luck to him.
    .
    As for the uselessness of otherwise right-thinking Jewish people (and of course playing the parlour game and overlooking their inability to foreswear their us-and-them racist self-definition a la Atzmon) I’m merely comparing them to their own standards, ie. to the rest of what it is that Jewish people are collectively capable of. Never mind stopping the West as catspaw Golems of war crushing every country not possessed of a usurous banking system, these angels-on-their-shoulder Jews couldn’t even put a dent in a ‘little war’ like the 200 to 1 genocidal slaughter-fest that was Gaza. Pathetic.
    .
    Jewish control of banking, foreign policy, the media etc. etc. goes from strength to strength with nary a backward step. As does the oh-so-clever glacial and relentless genocide taking place in Palestine. Never a backwards step. Whatever these well-meaning Jews are doing, it’s fucking worthless, as utterly ineffective as their fellow ‘bad’ Jews are the opposite. Go figure.
    .
    And of course it’s going to be that way until they (like Pu’yi, the last emperor in Bertolucci’s flick of the same name) write a full confession. Which is to say, come clean on their sine qua non racism. Their us-and-them mindset has to be subject to the full glare of public scrutiny – starting at the filthy depths of the Talmud and going all the way through to the pissweak ‘well, I’m not religious and I’m not Semitic but I am Jewish’ us-and-them definition. The whole thing has to be laid bare. All of it. Without they do that, it’s all just a parlour game.
    .
    Otherwise between me as racist and all those otherwise lovely people who identify themselves as better/different/other, I get the tag. Sure. The irony runs rampant.

  86. Israel, Clegg and Tonge’s loss of the Lib Dem whip

    Tuesday 6 March 2012
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    Four letters in her support.
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/06/israel-clegg-tonge-libdem-whip

  87. Galloway might be back in the HoC @ Bradford West by election 29 March. Majority for NuLabour Marsha Singh last election 6,000
    .
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/mar/06/george-galloway-bradford-west-byelection?newsfeed=true

  88. Accidental or deliberate? Possible prejudice of any legal action against News Intl employees
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    Leveson Inquiry: Sue Akers evidence examined by attorney general
    DAC Sue Akers gave evidence to the Leveson Inquiry last month
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    The attorney general is examining whether the Metropolitan Police officer leading the phone hacking inquiry has prejudiced any trials resulting from the investigation.
    .
    The move by Dominic Grieve comes after Deputy Assistant Commissioner Sue Akers told the Leveson inquiry the Sun had a “culture of illegal payments”.
    .
    His spokeswoman said the attorney general “will consider the concerns”.
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    Eleven Sun journalists have been arrested over bribery allegations.
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    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17280951

  89. If you and so many others in the political media class hadn’t stayed silent about the fascist coup on September Eleventh 2001, the nazis may not have become so brazen and powerful as they are now. Unfortunately it seems too late to turn back.

  90. Could today prove to be the day?

    “Purim begins in the evening of Wednesday, March 7, 2012, and ends in the evening of Thursday, March 8, 2012. That is the 14th of the Hebrew month Adar.

    What troubles even casual observers of Zionism in action is that Purim 2012 is sandwiched between two potentially catastrophic events for those opposed to World War III. Benjamin Netanyahu will confer with President Obama at the White House on March 5th to discuss an attack on Iran. On March 8th the FBI plan to shutdown and scrub 4 million computers for an alleged DNS virus. You do not have to be paranoid to think that either a war or a false flag Gulf of Tonkin type of attack on an American ship near the Iranian coast would best be staged at a time when the computers of 4 million anti-war and anti-Zionist activists are shutdown.”

    http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/purim-2012-red-alert-fun-for-netabyahu-might-not-be-good-for-you/

  91. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    7 Mar, 2012 - 9:05 am

    Jews, Christians, Moslems and other religious believers are simply suffering from the world’s only known contagious psychosis.
    .
    We live in a world where being curious and questioning events is seen as being a “conspiracy theorist” and believing a “conspiracy theory” is being promoted as a mental health issue and yet as the leader of a country you can say “God told me to invade” or “God promised us this land” to justify your crimes against humanity and nobody bats an eyelid let alone drags them off in a straight-jacket.
    .
    What amazes me is how easy it is to debunk religion and yet, through fear of death or a desire for immortality, perfectly sane and rational people genuinely believe in the ridiculous old claptrap.
    .
    One example; look at the Old Testament/Torah. The first five books are supposed to have been directly dictated to Moses by God but if you go to the British Museum you can see Sumerian cuneiform tablets, which significantly predate the Biblical era, that contain the exact same flood story as appears in Genesis. Therefore God did not give the story to Moses, he copied it.

  92. Where are the warmongers and the warmakers? Anything to say? What about the nitwit choirmaster of the Military Wives and their hit Wherever You Are? And the worthies of ROYAL Wootton Bassett? And Blair, Brown and Cameron?

    Speak up! We can’t hear you!
    .
    7 March 2012
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    Six UK soldiers missing in Afghanistan
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    Six UK soldiers are missing, believed killed, in southern Afghanistan, the Ministry of Defence has said.
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    Five from the 3rd Battalion the Yorkshire Regiment and one from the 1st Battalion The Duke of Lancaster’s Regiment were on patrol when their vehicle was struck by an explosion.
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    If dead, the toll on the British military since 2001 will stand at 404.
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    /…
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17282903

  93. This seems to be a source for Vincent Nunes’ snippet about the FBI shutting down four million computers:
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    http://thenewamerican.com/tech-mainmenu-30/computers/10935-fbi-plans-to-shut-down-internet-servers-infected-with-notorious-trojan

  94. “Where are these good Jews?”. Silly question, I was invited to share the Sabbath Friday meal with one a few weeks ago, and was glad to do so. Jews are no more genetically programmed for good or bad than anyone else.

  95. Nobody, when you talk of the uselessness of others, should you not accept your own first? your blog is achieving hate by eulogising about a book that is not available, is that your aim and objective? By generalising and being angry, you are the empty vessel you talk of, your blog is full of emptyness and hate, not something I would want to revisit.
    Your good Jew bad Jew game is naive and without value, not original at all, it shows how little you get round, try jewishvoiceforpeace.org and see how young people are doing something physical, intuitive and active.
    http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/blog/roane-carey-piece-in-the-nation-on-occupy-aipac

    As always, a great analysis Duncan, thanks.

    If angysoba’s explanation of Obama’s speech is right, then this will make Israel more dangerous, because Netanyahu is clearly in a mess. He’s been told by Dov Weinglass, a hardline zionist, that he wasted 7 years by not communicating with the most agreeable Palestinian administration ever, whilst many young Jews elligible for national service abscond and leave, more of them are leaving Israel than coming to join its population, they are going into exile.
    Add to that the protracted new problems over Gas, as well documented by Oddie, Israel’s assistance/involvement in an unstable Syria, Hezbollah’s current insecurity due to the situation in Syria, the cut throat solutions ( for him as a zionist) required regards settlements, with settlers spitting venom at anyone who dares to move them, they are his main supporters left, in short, everyone is flapping to keep cool at present, every entity is on tenterhooks, now this from Obama… it could be enough to drive Netanyahu into a corner and act like the rat he is, i.e. jump at the next available bandwaggon and/or drive it himself, straight into Iran.

    What I gathered from Obama’s speech is that he would feel obliged to follow and secure his votes, otherwise I can see a Mitt Romney/Rick Santori administration coming in who will not hesitate at all, who will want to get brownie points with the industrial miltary criminals.
    What will it take for those living in tents to march on Washington, who will switch of come dancing and big brother, nothing less to make our politically inept couch potatoes angry.

  96. Clark
    .
    “this seems to be a source for Victor Nunes’ snippet about the FBI shutting down four million computers:
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    http://thenewamerican.com/tech-mainmenu-30/computers/10935-fbi-plans-to-shut-down-internet-servers-infected-with-notorious-trojan
    .
    Something smells of fish about this whole thing. Trojans are as old as the Internet; why are the FBI suddenly setting up their own infrastructure to “combat” them? From other recent developments it is absolutely clear that “they” are planning to pull the plug on the free Internet, along with the rest of the free society. Enjoy them while you can, we’ve only a few months left.

  97. Sadface:
    .
    “If you and so many others in the political media class hadn’t stayed silent about the fascist coup on September Eleventh 2001, the nazis may not have become so brazen and powerful as they are now. Unfortunately it seems too late to turn back.”
    .
    That is unfair. Many have spoken out about what happened that day, but nobody (who mattered) would listen to them. I am still laughed at by intelligent friends for suggesting the 9/11 events were not what they seemed. Most people are in denial about the very possibility. Perhaps Craig is too, or perhaps he prefers not to bring up such an incendiary topic, for which I can’t blame him.

  98. Murder most fowl

    7 Mar, 2012 - 10:23 am

    I suspect that Akers’s comments to Leveson were a reply to the rather more deliberately prejudicial article by sometime Sun editor Trevor Kavanagh (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4124870/The-Suns-Trevor-Kavanagh-Witch-hunt-puts-us-behind-ex-Soviet-states-on-Press-freedom.html), which is full, as always, of lies (first lie is that it is not the biggest police operation – among many others, the Ipswich Prostitute murder case was larger; another lie is to say that the “crime” was to buy a beer for a copper, rather than paying £80,000 as a retainer).

    “It is important that we do not jump to conclusions!” Tell that to Chris Jefferies. (“Jo Murder, Landlord Held; The strange Mr Jefferies”)

    I thought that Watson’s question to Murdoch about running a Mafia was over the top. Now, I’m not so sure!

  99. When will the fascists ban porn then?
    Its all our family values under assault

    You got kids?

  100. Jay: porn will be the last thing they ban. Any kind of arousal makes people pliant and impairs judgment.

  101. Agree with your comments Franz. And good to see you back here Clark. Really hope that things are better for you since last week.

  102. An obituary for Dr Brian Jones aet 67.
    The author has a vain hope in the penultimate sentence.
    .
    “Thanks in no small part to people like Dr David Kelly and Dr Brian Jones, at least Britain will never again force its intelligence officials or their assessments to bear the burden of a Prime Minister sending troops to war.”

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    http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/46395/dr_brian_jones_rip.html

  103. Hullo Craig, what?

    Genetic programming? What’s that got to do with anything? Jewish racism is a mindset, a thing that must be instilled. Atzmon was inculcated in it and cast it off. Doubtless it wasn’t easy but it can be done. And should be, frankly. Perhaps you missed the word ‘metaphoric’ there?

    As for someone above calling me useless – spot on! I am useless. In fact I say so in the header of my blog.

    And in regards to hate, it’s true I hate racists. I’ve had some proper knock-down, drag-out fights at my blog and always with racists. And between white supremacists and Jewish supremacists I find it almost impossible to tell ‘em apart.

    Hmm… now that I think about it, the difference is that non-supremacist white people don’t get het up when you discuss white racism.

  104. @ Mary: We need to cower under our beds in terror of the spectre the Daily Mail raises of the evil Ay-rab Mooslim Eyeranians developing a missile which can reach London with a 1000 megamegaton warhead. Especially as our loyal, charming, transparently honest, benevolent and helpful allies the wonderful Israelis have only had their Shavit missile since 2002 or so…

    http://www.wnd.com/2002/07/14448/

  105. Craig,
    .
    Remember that the darker it gets, the easier it is for _your_ light to be noticed. And we are noticing – thanks to you and hundreds of others of brave individuals, more and more people are seeing through the lies every day. Keep up the great work, and don’t for a second think that you’re not making a difference.
    .
    Talking of lies, these few links, taken together, paint a fascinating picture of the situation in Syria…
    .
    http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/1671459_insight-military-intervention-in-syria-post-withdrawal.html

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=eFFBx8tp4ls

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p-DCZxsrt9I

    http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/questioning-syrian-%E2%80%9Ccasualty-list%E2%80%9D

  106. Scouse Billy

    7 Mar, 2012 - 11:52 am

    Franz – “I don’t think Obama is “on his knees” before Israel… They are two tentacles of the same monstrous octopus.”
    .
    Precisely!
    .
    From Dec, 2008, the late Christopher Story:
    .
    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_obama11.htm

  107. guilt-be-yours

    7 Mar, 2012 - 12:38 pm

    If you want a “revolution” of whatever hue, may I suggest
    a) disengage from the sham of voting
    b) stop using the banks

  108. Guilt be yours.
    .
    How do you bank?
    Have you voted at the last general election?
    .
    But I do concure with the sentiment, only yesterday I had a laugh and banter with a friend about using the GE to set up an alternative voting booth, inviting people to place their votes into our box, after they voted, as a control mechanism and point of contact with voters.
    .
    This would not stop postal voting fraud which is vast and it would not stop people turning up pretending to be someone else, as ID is not required to show that you are who you say you are.
    .
    As for banks, local credit unions are small and not much used, because people who own shares, who once bought what they already owned, they want to make money, hence they frequent high street banks, one sordid reason for voting for the continuation of this mess, they are the ‘have’s'!
    .
    What would you say to disrupting your favourite TV programmes, providing you own one of these evil timewasting machines like I do, would that get you to try and persuade others of the errors of our way?

  109. Komodo, MarkG, et al. Could the Shavit ICBM be fitted with nuclear warheads and fired from a Dolphin class submarine?

    In the irish sea?

  110. On the scrapheap literally. Poor souls.
    .
    Remploy planning factory closures
    Remploy is proposing to close 36 of its 54 factories, which could mean compulsory redundancies of more than 1,700 disabled workers.
    .
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17288762
    .
    ‘Not financially viable’ – Maria Miller MP Minister for Disabled People.
    Shame on her and her crowd.

  111. I pray that it is not too late.
    SAVE OUR NHS
    .
    http://goingtowork.org.uk/saveournhs
    Live streaming of the protest from Central Hall, Westminster, at 6pm.

  112. Only the foolish would adopt a stance on issues against the majority. Same political suicide over and over. If those who wish to change, adopt the average whilst out of power . they can as easily change to their own agenda whilst in power. V. Putin springs to mind as an example.

  113. Mary you beat me to it :)
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    .
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2111307/Iran-trying-build-nuclear-missiles-capable-hitting-London-Cameron-warns-MPs.html
    .
    .
    “Does Cameron think we are ALL stupid?
    Reminiscent of Bliar’s 45 minutes warning in 2003.”
    .
    .
    .
    Yes he probably does. He thinks we are just cattle. However it’s not ‘us’ he has to convince. All he as to do is convince fellow MPs to vote for the forthcoming British Violence For Zionism in Iran. And given they’ll remember what happened to Robin Cook, they’ll be voting for it.

  114. @nobody
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    Zionism cares as little for Jews as it does for anyone else.

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  116. Smeggypants

    7 Mar, 2012 - 3:32 pm

    @Jabugo
    .
    Netanyahu Invokes Holocaust and Threats to Americans in Iran AIPAC Speech
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    Yup nothing new. Netanyahu is an insult to the victims of the Holocaust using it as political currency in this manner.

  117. Nobody: As for someone above calling me useless – spot on! I am useless. In fact I say so in the header of my blog.


    .
    Pfffffft!
    .
    The obvious point was that you condemn all Jews even those who may think like you do but are unable to change the whole fucking world according to your convenience. So while you can be comfortably – or leisurely – useless Jews are either the cause of all problems or guilty of not preventing problems by being useless.
    .
    Now, why not just say it, nobody, “I hate Jews!” We all know you mean it but you are too cowardly to admit it. Instead you want to engage in mealy-mouthed crap that you read in Housten Stewart Chamberlain Monthly or whatever it is that you read.

  118. Courtney Barnett: Duncan – let us all be sensible.


    .
    I agree, and I must say that Duncan McFarlane is easily one of the most intelligent and sensible posters here. I also hope that my endorsement of his posts doesn’t prejudice people against him.

  119. @Nobody – “Try and find a copy of it on the net. Good luck – it’s nowhere.”
    .
    How hard have you looked? Just typing “Talmud” into Google gets you to several online versions. There is also a link from the Wikipedia page to this one:
    http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/talmud.htm
    .
    There’s even a Kindle version from Penguin Classics! So it’s hardly a secret text known only to the faithful is it?

    so its hardly a secret book.

  120. @ Down with this sort of thing (on 6 March at 8.11 pm and 10.06 pm): I’m not sure that Obama can be excused on the lines of “Politicians say things readers want to hear”. Not always – a recent UK example was Ken Clarke taking the unpopular line that there are too many people in jail in the UK. Yes, politicians have to negotiate the waters of the mass media, well-charted as they are with hazards. But, as the Leveson Inquiry has been showing here, it’s not far from courting popular opinion for electoral advantage to political corruption.

    .
    In my new GP’s waiting room this morning I came on the 30 January issue of Time magazine (cover “Obama’s* World”) with an article about and interview with Obama by Fareed Zakaria, titled “The Strategist – The question isn’t whether Barack Obama has been a good foreign policy President. It’s whether he can be a great one”. That makes the case for the defence, and quite well. However, it is slightly undermined by the back page interview with 39th US President Jimmy Carter which tells it like he sees it, eg:” We are completely in bed with the Israelis, who are persecuting the Palestinians horribly, and this is contrary, I think, to the best interest if Israel.” The rest is well worth reading. I can’t find it on the web but a fuller excerpt is at http://www.journalofamerica.net/html/how_many.html
    * My spell-checker wanted to correct that to “Osama’s”!

    .
    Your excellent gloss on baseball slang is a reminder of how skilled Obama’s word-craft is (and Craig’s). But does commitment go with the skill?

  121. For your consideration. The author welcomes comments. See below.
    .
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/02/22/one-state-vision-a-republic-of-all-of-its-citizens/
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    One of our esteemed VT columnists, Sami Jadallah is part of a team that worked together with many friends to come up with an amazing document entitled ONE STATE: A State for All Citizens, which we all hope can capture the vision of what Arabs and Jews should and must work toward for a lasting well living future.
    .

    Please read the attached document
    .
    Then, please send Sami an email with your ideas, thoughts, and support for this outstanding endeavor. Maybe write an article on the subject or tell your friends on Facebook. Whatever it takes. Peace is needed for everyone now.
    .

    In fact, after years of hate and failure, it’s time for everyone to put down their weapons and have breakfast together instead under one name, one state for all.
    .

    John Allen

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    “Let us all celebrate freedom and liberty one country at a time. The true test of a nation and people is how to manage and build a new nation where justice, liberty, equality, accountability and transparency become the rules of law, and where government becomes the servant not the master of the people”

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    email: sami.jadallah AT gmail.com

  122. To Duncan Macfarlane re Assad and what is the truth as to who is http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread816654/pg1the

  123. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    7 Mar, 2012 - 4:44 pm

    Cameron’s ‘warning’ of Iranian missiles reaching London are more pathetic when you think the UK has 200 thermonuclear warheads mounted on Trident missiles sailing around the planet in Vanguard subs.
    .
    The justification for such an expensive and advanced weapons system is that it will deter *any* nation from attacking us with similar weapons.
    .
    This begs the question, if the nuclear deterrent has been working successfully for 60 years against the likes of China, Russia and even Luxembourg then why does Cameron assume that it will not work with Iran?

  124. The esteemed John Hilley.
    .
    Wednesday, 7 March 2012
    Bombing Iran – the media’s war calendar
    .
    On Channel 4 News (March 2), Matt Frei, reporting from Washington, and Jon Snow, back in the studio, exchanged almost jocular words on the likelihood of Israel or/and the US bombing Iran.
    .
    The tone was one of ‘convivial chat’, akin to neighbours speculating across the garden wall on whether or not we’ll get a good summer.
    .
    This ‘will-they-won’t-they’, wager-type narrative is typical media fare, treating Iran, Iranians, as something distantly abstract, an un-people, the discussion stripped of all immediate consideration for the carnage that may soon be visited on them and their society.
    .
    Imagine a similar kind of correspondents’ exchange asking whether Iran will opt for a spring or autumn strike on Tel Aviv.
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    /..
    http://johnhilley.blogspot.com/2012/03/bombing-iran-medias-war-calendar.html

  125. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    7 Mar, 2012 - 5:12 pm

    Ian Orr I’m not sure that Obama can be excused on the lines of “Politicians say things readers want to hear”.
    .
    I was not excusing him as such, just trying to shed some light on the confusion about his AIPAC address and his actual stated policy. Which has remained very consistent.
    .
    I do think he’s handled Netanyahu well though. You could almost see that Netanyahu was physically smaller in their joint press conference, he was staring at the floor looking glum, indeed it looked liked he’d been properly chastened.

  126. boniface goncourt

    7 Mar, 2012 - 5:25 pm

    @ DownWithThisSortOfThing

    There was no one called Moses, which is not an Egyptian name, but a title, meaning ‘Rev.’ He did not lead the captive Jews into the desert, for there were no captive Jews. Neither is there any historical truth at all in the Torah. No King David or Solomon, no Esther, Jacob or Joseph, none of the Andrew Lloyd Webber cast at all. Even mainstream biblical scholarship
    considers the OT ahistoric. It is all just a swashbuckling bodice-ripper, its borrowed legends bullshit genealogies and invengted miracles designed to provide a mangy ragbag of bandits [= Egyptian 'hibaru'] with a bogus historical provenance.

    @nobody

    The Talmud is indeed a cookbook of horror, but you are somewhat missing the point. The noble Gerald Kaufman, Norman Finkelstein and other ‘self-haters’ are NOT ‘Jews’, in Atzmon’s sense of ‘category three Jews’ – tribal fanatics devoted to extinguishing the goyim. ‘The Jews’ are not a race or nation, not even a religion, but a made-up artificial tribe, like the
    Mafia or the Scientologists, whose members are constantly vexed how to define themselves. Being Sicilian does not make you a mafioso, just as not everyone with a fondness for wisecracks and chicken soup is a ‘Jew’. Atzmon urges us to favour the reason and tolerance of ‘Athens’ over the hate-filled, superstitious ignorance of ‘Jerusalem’.

  127. DownWithSortOfThing A editorial in Ha’aretz is saying the same. I am not so sure as I trust neither Obama or Netanyahu.
    .
    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/netanyahu-returns-empty-handed-from-washington-1.416932

  128. @Boniface The noble Gerald Kaufman, Norman Finkelstein and other ‘self-haters’ are NOT ‘Jews’, in Atzmon’s sense of ‘category three Jews’. Whether they’re ‘category three’ Jews or not, they consider themselves Jewish, do not interpet the entire Talmud to apply literally to the present day and have every right to define Judaism differently from the most extreme Zionists.
    .
    Claiming tolerant and progressive Jews aren’t really Jews plays straight into the hands of the extremists – who say the same – that these aren’t real Jews but supposedly “self-hating Jews” or whatever.
    .
    Even being a Zionist does not mean someone has to have the kind of views some people have accused them of having in this thread – it can mean just believing the state of Israel has a right to exist on the pre-1967 war borders or some similar negotiated borders, alongside a Palestinian state.
    .
    Taking the entirety of the Bible, Quran or Talmud literally and taking it all to apply to the present day is a view only taken by some people of each religion – many people of each religion don’t interpret them to mean anything of the kind, which is why claiming that anyone who is from one of these religions is automatically an extremist by quoting excerpts from them is daft.

  129. Nevermind: You are right. I omitted all mention of our oil buddy’s little fleet of German submarines (supplied at a discount to expiate some carefully-nurtured guilt) armed with US-supplied cruise missiles tipped with oh dear me no not US nuclear warheads, currently patrolling Israel’s sovereign coastal waters within its 2000-mile limit (extra zero intentional). Pure coincidence that Iran is nearby. Or the 6th Fleet, for that matter.
    .
    BTW, what has Israel ever done for us?
    The kind of dirty work we do not want to be associated with, maybe? Can’t think of anything else.

  130. technicolour

    7 Mar, 2012 - 8:30 pm

    Strange how the Talmud is a ‘cookbook of horror’ (sic) and yet the Jewish ceremonies I’ve attended insist on and repeat the message of ‘loving kindness’. Too much reading and not enough real experiences, one deduces.

  131. technicolour

    7 Mar, 2012 - 8:33 pm

    ‘What has Israel ever done for us?’ (Komodo)

    What have you ever done for me? What has Burma ever done for Ireland? What does that have to do with anything?

  132. Komodo,
    “BTW, what has Israel ever done for us?”
    Ensured daily tally of death and destruction wreaked upon the Palestinians, by the ziofuckwits, has promoted an indolence among the plebeians at large to accept: injustice, belligerency, theft, murder, apartheid as an insuperable part of existence in the Mid East. The lands that its resources are sequestrated (for almost no price) for the benefit of feeding the war machines and the warmongers in the West.
    ,
    The political corruption and total disregard of the wishes of the plebeians in the West becoming the new normal, which is complemented with even more repression and erosion of our human rights (terrorist are coming to get you), in sort of a butterfly effect.
    ,
    There is lot of shit piled on our plates that would not be there if that wanker Balfour had not given the lands of the Palestinians to “people without lands” at the behest of his bum chum Rothschild.
    ,
    So you see how much Isreal has done for us?
    ,
    Is there no fucking reference to Mars anywhere in that Talmud or whatever? There is a whole fucking planet out there, all awaiting to be colonised by a Master Race. (one can only live in hope).

  133. technicolour

    7 Mar, 2012 - 9:03 pm

    ‘Fedup’: you reveal your prejudice.

  134. Totally agree Craig. The MSM sanitises the news and very rarely poses the awkward questions those with an ounce of intelligence are screaming out for them to ask.
    I find blogs like yours are a valuable source of uncorrupted news. It surprises me that, given the desire of organisations such as the BBC and Channel 4 to be technologically savvy, they do not regularly report on blogs. Channel 4 News has started reporting on Twitter comments recently but they degrade the significance of the medium by picking stupid examples like Katie Allsop and her views on a mansion tax.

    Only the Keiser Report on Russia Today gives any attention to online-only articles and, in doing so, perhaps illustrates the biased nature of the MSM.

  135. Yes, Yes, mea culpa,
    .
    I should have said an uncensored Talmud. Funnily enough, that sacred-texts site referred to above admits to this censorship, albeit by way of the word ‘abridgement’. This abridgement was apparently due to the fact that ‘the debate spins off into complete obscurity’ whatever that means. Why that should matter with a text document, the entirety of which would only comprise a paltry couple of megabytes, escapes me. Isn’t it a holy text every jot and tittle of which is sacred?
    .
    I guess it depends on who you tell it to because between the above non-reason and the Talmud’s own command that “If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death,” I’m thinking that the latter would probably count more heavily for the Rabbi who did the abridging. Don’t you think?
    .
    Ugly+sober – If only you’d been there back when the white supremacists were sending me death threats on account of being a tool of the Jews. You could have sorted them right out. Never mind.

  136. boniface goncourt

    8 Mar, 2012 - 12:03 am

    @ Duncan McFarlane
    # Taking the entirety of the Bible, Quran or Talmud literally and taking it all to apply to the present day is a view only taken by some people of each religion….claiming that anyone who is from one of these religions is automatically an extremist by quoting excerpts from them is daft. #

    This is the usual godbanger copout, claiming the official loony instruction manual doesn’t apply to them, or is somehow ‘out of date’. Archimedes’ Principle or Pythagoras’ Theorems aren’t out of date, so why should the word of the Sky Pixie be out of date?

    SURA XXIV.-
    The whore and the whoremonger – scourge each of them with an hundred stripes; and let not compassion keep you from carrying out the sentence of God”

    That’s the word of ‘Allah’, innit? He wrote the Qu’eeran. That’s why the beardies have to flog rape victims and…well, just about anybody. THE BOSS SAYS SO.

    @ technicolour

    # Strange how the Talmud is a ‘cookbook of horror’ (sic) and yet the Jewish ceremonies I’ve attended insist on and repeat the message of ‘loving kindness’. Too much reading and not enough real experiences, one deduces.#

    From the Talmud…

    Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile, there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

    Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

    Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog (“Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed”).

    “Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.”

    Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years “and a day” old).”

    “Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old”

    etcetera

    Voltaire observed that only the Jewish religion forbade women from having sex with goats, presumably because it was popular…

  137. Nobody: Do you think you could ease up on the Jew-bashing just a bit, maybe? If we take all this religious BS seriously, and regard Jewishness as being strictly down the mother-line and all that, then I should confess straight out – my own wife is a Jew. Her mother, mother’s mother, and so on (back to the Austrian Jews persecuted out of Nazi Germany by the skin of their teeth) were Jews. That’s how she got to be where she came to be when I stumbled across her, not realising (of course!) that this 18-yo Jew was guilty of such vast crime, both past, present, and in the decades to follow.
    .
    In her defence, she absolutely despises Israeli foreign policy, and detests Zionism. But that doesn’t excuse her from being a Jew, it surely goes without saying!
    .
    An irrelevant point to the truly fixated with Jewish stereotypes, but she was also brought up as a devout Catholic (her Jewish mother having been a Nun back in the day).
    .
    Confused? You will be by the next episode!
    .
    Political beliefs aren’t defined by race, gender or skin colour. Ease up on the Jew-bashing, eh?

  138. Techni: “Too much reading and not enough real experiences, one deduces.”
    .
    You sum it up perfectly.
    .
    Glenn: “I stumbled across her, not realising (of course!) that this 18-yo Jew was guilty of such vast crime, both past, present, and in the decades to follow.”
    .
    That’s how they get you, it’s the oldest trick in the book! ;)

  139. “What has Israel ever done for us?’ (Komodo)

    What have you ever done for me? What has Burma ever done for Ireland? What does that have to do with anything?”

    (Technicolour)

    I am just still trying to find out what terrible obligation we have to this bunch of mostly Central European zionist psychopaths who have determined our foreign policy for the last twenty years or so. In what way does our staunch support of the most intransigent and violent state in the ME benefit us? Let’s put aside questions of morality – these are disposable items when we are dealing with anyone else, as any Afghan can tell you. What is the practical benefit TO US of having created (for the people we helped to liberate from the Nazis), a state in which they can spit on international law and incite us to bomb their neighbours while risking fuck-all themselves? In which they can develop weapons of mass destruction free from any hint of inspection? Which can confine a million citizens indefinitely to a ghetto modelled on 1940 Warsaw? There must be something. Bagels, maybe?

  140. technicolour

    8 Mar, 2012 - 2:59 pm

    Komodo: the majority of people living in Israel are not ‘Central European Zionist psychopaths’: their present far right regime does not represent the people, any more than Blair represented the UK.

    As for why the UK has any obligation: Israel is supported by the US and the UK is the US’ second lieutenant. Israel provides the US with a testing ground for new weapons and an effective power base in the region.

  141. blimey, not sure some of your commentators here are going to help cheer you up enough to keep going! I use vimeo’s art/animation/music clips to try to find proof that people are still creating positive things. Try this:
    http://vimeo.com/37940683
    I liked the lyric “to fall is connected to trying”
    kind wishes for your continued blogging

  142. Komodo,
    What is the practical benefit TO US of having created (for the people we helped to liberate from the Nazis), a state in which they can spit on international law and incite us to bomb their neighbours while risking fuck-all themselves? In which they can develop weapons of mass destruction free from any hint of inspection? Which can confine a million citizens indefinitely to a ghetto modelled on 1940 Warsaw?
    ,
    There is nothing as in ; None , nil, zealch, fuck all, ….. in it for us.
    ,
    However as to why US has to put up with the bunch of crazed ziofuckwit lunatics, whose track record in barbarous behaviour is far worse than the Genghis hoards, was explained away in a programme about the shitty little strip of land and its belligerency towards Iran, aired on al Jazeera. The investigative reporter for Haaretz: “Isreal’s nuclear weapons, affords her the capability of saying no to US”. These psychopaths are blackmailing the US and toadies, no less.
    ,
    BTW Warsaw ghetto was more comfortably provided for than the Gaza, judging by the recent records of lack of food, water, and medicine, electricity, etc. in the Gaza open air concentration camp.

  143. Frazer,
    Hope you will enjoy this image of a Qanat in Kashan Iran Truly water is a heavenly bounty. The cool, potable, sweet water. It ought to be a human right, as should food, and shelter ought to be human rights too, won’t you agree?

  144. Nobody, people write “holy books”. How can you criticise them when they put something evil in, and then criticise them again when they take it out?

  145. Technicolour:
    I was referring to the regime. Which is what we are propping up with our acquiescence. The majority of Jews living in Israel are, however, Ashkenazim of Central European origin, whether sabraorolim. The state is arranged for their benefit…right of return, settlements, security, the lot. The indigenous and other Mediterranean Sephardim are looked down on by this majority. The regime reflects the priorities of the demographic.
    Re. the rest, precisely. We’re second lieutenant, which means we are inextricably tied to some extremely unintelligent foreign policy, and loathed throughout most of the Arab world. Possibly all of it, but you don’t piss off paying customers. And we are spending billions to buy kit from the US which is too old for them to give to the Israelis, and drop it on people the Israelis don’t like. So: what have the Israelis ever done for us? The balance sheet looks pretty negative to me. And that’s without the King David Hotel…

  146. There was slaughter in Gaza yesterday. The first death toll from drone attacks was announced as two killed but through the night on the World Service, it rose to 12. Kevin Connolly gives a word for word Mark Regev reasoning for the slaughter on the ZBC website.

  147. Boniface wrote “This is the usual godbanger copout, claiming the official loony instruction manual doesn’t apply to them, or is somehow ‘out of date’. ”

    No, i’m agnostic. I don’t know (or care very much) whether there’s any god or not. It’s not important to me.

    The fact is that in any piece of communication there is lots of room for the hearer/reader/listener – or both people talking to one another – interpreting what’s meant by the same words differently.

    That becomes even more true when you’re talking about interpretation of a book written a thousand or two thousand or more years ago.

    The reality is that there are multiple interpretations of every religion – and your claims that every word of these books must be held to apply today – and literally – is simply factually wrong.

    In reality different members of the same religion interpret what parts of these books are important and what those sentences mean and whether they’re meant literally entirely differently from each other.

    Not all Muslims believe women who committ adultery should be stoned to death. Not all Christians believe the Old Testament applies literally (or at all) to the modern day. And not all Jews believe the same about the Talmud. Even those who do believe they apply don’t all interpret each line to mean the same thing – they have all kinds of different interpretations of the meaning of them.

    Claiming otherwise is just factually wrong. You can quote every single word of the entire Talmud from beginning to end and that fact won’t change.

    Boniface wrote “Archimedes’ Principle or Pythagoras’ Theorems aren’t out of date, so why should the word of the Sky Pixie be out of date?”

    Here you compare apples and oranges. Mathematical theorems and principles of physics and engineering are in no way comparable to religious or moral beliefs. It’s like saying “Gravity isn’t out of date, so how can slavery be?” – because gravity is a physical force while slavery is a social convention and set of beliefs and practices.

  148. @JonesTheBurial “To Duncan Macfarlane re Assad and what is the truth as to who is http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread816654/pg1the

    Thanks, but not really convinced by that, as video editing can be done by either side and i’ve no idea a) who set up or funds that website or b) where they got the video or c) whether that’s actually Danny Dyem or someone pretending to be him in the very unclear video (with a strange sound track over it) or d) whether the video is edited

    It could as easily be that the Syrian government have made a fake video pretending it’s of Dyem saying that and then put it on the internet where people have picked up on it

  149. plus there is no way to hear what he’s saying clearly – even when he’s supposedly speaking english before the broadcast – to verify whether the subtitles on what he’s supposedly saying are accurate or not. I don’t speak Arabic, but the one line that is supposedly English can’t be heard clearly at all – and i suspect the Arabic ones can’t be made out clearly either

    There have been reports from journalists on the ground (including e.g Marie Colvin, who lost her eye reporting on war crimes by Sri Lankan forces – with the British government an ally of Sri Lanka and arming it during the genocide) and from Medicines Sans Frontieres doctors (who have also condemned torture by anti-Gaddafi forces in post Gaddafi Libya and the targeting of ambulances, civilians and the wounde in Bahrain) that Syrian forces are targeting ambulances, the wounded and doctors and shelling whole districts of cities.
    e.g
    http://www.msf.org.uk/Syria_repression_20120208.news

    Those are sources that have proven themselves trustworthy. An internet video of unknown provenance that may have been edited has not.

  150. boniface goncourt

    11 Mar, 2012 - 8:42 pm

    @Duncan McFarlane

    #Boniface wrote “Archimedes’ Principle or Pythagoras’ Theorems aren’t out of date, so why should the word of the Sky Pixie be out of date?” Here you compare apples and oranges. Mathematical theorems and principles of physics and engineering are in no way comparable to religious or moral beliefs.#

    You’ve made my point. The godsters claim that ‘theology’ is an exact science like physics. In which case, the instruction manual would be eternally valid. In fact, religions are just
    whatever crazy mixed-up nonsense the bloodsuckers and nutjobs can get away with at any particular time.

  151. No, BG, you throw the baby out with the bath water, as I think Clark was saying earlier. Religions always contain some decent stuff, which ranges across denominations – the Jewish tradition of ‘loving kindness’; the Christian ‘love thy neighbour’; the Koranic: Whoever does an atom’s weight of good will see it and whoever does an atom’s weight of evil will see it.” (Koran 99:7, 8)” etc etc etc

    It is possibly instructive of a person that they see only ‘the bad’.

  152. boniface goncourt

    12 Mar, 2012 - 12:37 am

    Where is the atom of goodwill in giving 100 lashes to a little girl who has been raped? And where was the Jewish loving kindness in Operation Cast Lead, where they murdered over 1400 innocent Gazans?

  153. Boniface Goncourt wrote “Where is the atom of goodwill in giving 100 lashes to a little girl who has been raped? And where was the Jewish loving kindness in Operation Cast Lead, where they murdered over 1400 innocent Gazans?”

    and all Muslims , or all Jews are not responsible for that any more than all British people are responsible for Blair’s actions, or all French people for Sarkozy’s , or all Russian people for Putin’s, or all atheists for Stalin’s

    You keep on talking as if all people of any religion are extreme fundamentalists and take the whole of their chosen ‘holy book’ to apply literally, with the same meaning, in the present – they’re not and they don’t.

    No number of examples of some Jews or some Muslims having crazy beliefs or committing atrocities will prove that all Jews and all Muslims think or do the same. Only blind prejudice could conclude that they are all responsible for the actions of some of them. It’s like saying all black people are criminals by pointing to Mugabe, Idi Amin and their like. Ridiculous.

    This “they” you talk about is only one undifferentiated group of people in your head. In reality different Jews and different Muslims have completely different views and actions from one another.

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