Whatever Happened to Craig Murray?

by craig on January 30, 2013 11:16 am in Uncategorized

This blog is not closing down and will return to normal output shortly.

The heart problem that put me into hospital after New Year was “paroxysmal atrial fibrillation”. This seems likely to have been the cause of the lack of energy I had complained was afflicting me towards the end of last year. It can be controlled by drugs and I was in hospital for six days while they got it controlled.

On discharge I was ordered to rest awhile, but had three speaking engagements I was determined to honour. On 23 January was the Sam Adams Award at the Oxford Union, including a live videolink with Julian Assange, and a debate there the next day on “The American Dream”. In the daytimes I researched Burnes documents in Worcester College Library. Then the next day I flew overnight to Accra, arrived the morning of the 26 January and that night did the Immortal Memory at the Burns Night for Accra Caledonian Society.

I had picked up a sore throat in Oxford which I put down to too much public speaking. But by Sunday morning in Accra I felt absolutely terrible, and have been in bed the last four days with a flu, quite possibly swine flu (certainly the nastiest flu I can ever recall). For someone recently out of hospital with heart problems, that has been a bit scarey.

This morning I feel human again. I have quite a lot of work I simply must do in Accra, as I have no other way to feed my family, and funds are very low. But I intend to be home again on the 5th, as I have an echocardiogram appointment on the 6th.

I do intend to have the blog fully functional again as soon as I can, and stop these bloody health bulletins. I apologise for giving so much personal detail but I feel a need to explain why the blog has been cold.

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94 Comments

  1. Get well soon, Craig!

  2. Craig, I greatly sympathise – I spent most of November and December coping several rounds of vicious cold and flulike cold and bad throat, which all seemed to follow on from each other. Treat yourself gingerly, and keep a battery of decongestants and throat lozenges close to hand.

  3. get well soon Craig Murray

  4. The blog has been kept ‘hot’ by a number of ‘spirited’ and telling contributors. Thank-you.

  5. Tiago Berwanger

    30 Jan, 2013 - 11:32 am

    Good luck with your treatment, and you try to stay alive doing what prouds us as students and minds from International Relations, for us to stay believing for a better world. Greetings, your friend from Brazil.

  6. Tiago

    Many thanks. I was so shocked by the news from Santa caterina – I pray that none of our friends was there. I was not sure from the TV whether the club was in Florianapolis itself.

  7. First and foremost, get well soon!
    .
    Secondly, according to our discussions with doctors, this year the flu bugs have been really nasty. Not swine flu nasty in terms of their lethality, just really persistent bugs that drain you of all energy. Seems everyone we know in London has been affected in some way… So, with the best will in the world, I hope it is this sort of flu that has afflicted you, and it is not something related to your other terrible health scares.
    .
    And on the “afib”, as I think the pros call it, two relations of mine who have been diagnosed with it have all found that the treatment of it involves a bit of trial and error, and that after 2 or 3 goes with different drugs/interventions, the doctors do a good job fixing it. (What can trigger a relapse is a big drinking session followed soon after by some testing physical exercise… so avoid a bender and then an intense game of tennis the next day, if you are ever so inclined!)

  8. Glad you are OK Craig.

    I thought of you when I heard that awful news and said:
    28 Jan, 2013 – 7:52 am

    The terrible tragedy in Santa Maria where 231 young people died happened not very far from Sao Paulo which Craig visited in May last year. He also visited Florianopolis. RIP all those good young people.

    Rolling Stone
    by craig on May 28, 2012 3:19 pm

    Genuinely sad to be leaving Florianapolis. Wonderful place and lovely people. I haven’t liked a new place so much in a long time. I found my ideas very well received indeed. That seems increasingly to be the case in places as diverse as Brazil, Germany, South Africa and India. There genuinely seems a renewed interest in radicalism among young people. Wars of resource grab, state transfers of money to the bankers and the general lack of genuine democratic choice or deep media inquiry are bound to produce this kind of reaction. Otherwise the human spirit is dead.

    It isn’t.

    Signed hundreds of books. The publisher sold all the new copies brought down to Florianapolis, despite the fact that most of the copies I signed were brought along by the owners, already bought and evidently much read. It seems they get handed around, which is great. At book signings everyone wants a photo, which actually I find rather nice. It is always good to have an excuse to put a photo of a pretty girl on the blog to cheer everyone up!!

    Off to Sao Paolo next, then home which I am really looking forward to. It is lovely here but I miss my family. One great advantage of being here is that I don’t have to see the war criminal Blair and his smarmy self-justification at the Leveson Inquiry.

    ~~~~

    Best wishes.

  9. Your health comes first Craig, the world can wait.

  10. Excellent news – was quite worried about you old bean. KBO

  11. There was a killer question at the end of PMQs for Cameron as he leaves for Algeria from George Galloway accompanied to a cacophony of groans. The party stooges do not like it up ‘em. Cameron did not answer it of course as he prepared to scuttle off but could only offer the usual type of dismissive insult.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-212585391236: Ross Hawkins Political correspondent, BBC News tweets: Ooos across chamber as Galloway rises to speak
    1234: Respect’s George Galloway asks what are the differences between jihadists in Mali and Syria. The PM responds that “wherever there is a brutal Arab dictator” he will have Mr Galloway’s support.

    A point of order from GG followed questioning the use of the term ‘Noble’ which the Speaker applied when addressing the Member for Caithness etc. in the HoC. Thurso is a viscount, lately known as Lord Thurso.

  12. “On discharge I was ordered to rest awhile”

    Which you totally ignored.

    “…have been in bed the last four days with a flu”

    Which is resting awhile. Our bodies are sometimes wiser than we are.

  13. Take care… I hear what you say about having to put food on your family and all that, but a damaged health won’t do them any good either. Sounds like your body is telling you it needs much more rest – you need to listen to it.

  14. The ex controller of BBC Scotland who found a niche in the Electoral Commission has just said that the question for the Scottish Referendum was too loaded.

    Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country?

    is changed to

    Should Scotland be an independent country?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/9836634/Electoral-Commission-rejects-biased-Alex-Salmond-referendum-question.html

  15. Hi Craig,
    Speedy recovery! We have LOTS of work to do…. we need to get together soon. In the meantime, forgive me a bit of self promo, our trailers (with you in one of the main roles) have now reached no less than 104.000 HITS. Who said that Mr Karimov has managed to ‘kill politics’ in Uzbekistan?!
    On your sick bed, read this one, you will like it, I promise,
    http://www.fergananews.com/articles/7608
    HEADLINE
    “What is good about Karimov? That he only had TWO (corrupt) children….”
    http://www.fergananews.com/articles/7608
    Please free to share, thanks

  16. technicolour

    30 Jan, 2013 - 1:40 pm

    If you’re adamant about going (and I rather agree with Glen) planes can be quite good to relax on, at least – and some sun probably won’t hurt either. But please tread lightly, Mr Murray. Thanks very much for that Assange letter, btw.

  17. Craig – as Bob says, your health comes first, to which I would add ‘followed by your family’. So take it as easy as you can . Having said that, I’m glad to hear you’re recovering. Very best regards!

  18. Sounds like you could use a break, Craig. Starving family or not. No excuses- do it! Somewhere you aren’t interested in the politics, maybe. New Zealand?

  19. @ Mary at 13h17 : yes, I think the Electoral Commission was quite right.

    The formula “Do you agree that…” contains a whiff of direction, it seems to invite an affirmative answer, whereas the reformulated “Should Scotland be an independent country” doesn’t, and is completely neutral.

    BTW why do you use the expression “….who found a niche…” to describe the former controller’s appointment to the Electoral Commission. A more usual firmulation would surely have been “…who was appointed to…”.

  20. Here we go, again.

    They have all found niches amongst all their other placements. Who do you think selects and ‘appoints’ these people? Look at the NHS Commmisioning Boards, PCTs, OFCOM, any public body you choose. The chairman of the PCT in my area came straight out of the Navy as a Vice Admiral and immediately came into head the hospital management. The Chief Executive is ex Cabinet Office. etc etc etc

    http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/about-us/how-we-are-run/the-commissioners

    PS I do not intend to reply again and hope that this new thread of Craig’s does not resemble the previous one.

  21. “A more usual firmulation…”

    I knew it. You’re Mark Lawrenson.

  22. The chairman of your PCT, Mary, is a qualified navel (sic) officer. His expertise in that small field is probably second to none. If Habbabcuk does not know how these things work, he should take out a subscription to Private Eye and discover the system of revolving doors and mutual backscratching which trump ability or talent in the inaccessible world of power. Alternatively he could study the irresistible rise of Comrade Mandelson et al.

  23. And I, Mary, hope that in this new thread of Craig’s you’ll continue to provide interesting information shorn of the little digs and insinuations which in my opinion mar some of what you post.

    BTW – has it ever occurred to you that some of those people might actually be better qualified for the job than your local fireman, shopkeeper or refuse collector? The job of Vice-Admiral for instance – now that there are more admirals than capital ships and that those remaining do little or no fighting – consists largely in management.

  24. @ MJ : soory about the typo! Who is Mark Lawrenson (genuine question!)?

  25. I’m afraid it’s time to cut out the alcohol, Craig.

  26. I’m sorry to hear that Craig. I do think you should heed the wise voices on this blog and take a break. Pushing yourself too far will only end in more trouble and you deserve a rest. The corruption and stupidity of our rulers will still be here when you get back, I do assure you :-)

    best

    Julian

  27. Carol,

    Thanks, but fortunately my liver seems one of the few bits of me that works properly!

    Most days I don’t drink alcohol at all – which has been the case for a great many years. What I do like to do is occasionally get drunk, but only if at an occasion. At home most days I don’t drink at all, and when I do it’s just a glass of red wine with dinner. But if out at a dinner, I will drink the whole bottle.

  28. @ Komodo : actually, I am a regular reader of Private Eye and have been for decades (although not always in real time, so to speak).

    Look, it’s a good read and digs up a lot of dirt. No doubt about that. But you must admit that by its very nature and function it will focus on what goes wrong, what’s not quite kosher, what’s corrupt and so on. That’s correct, isn’t it?
    But these things have to be relativised and it’s not sensible to assume that the “dark side of life” Private Eye specialises in is the norm or even the major part of life. I would suggest (to take an easy example) that for every case of corruption in the handling of a public works contract there are 100 which are perfectly above board. If I can make a further point : you castigate the system of pantouflage (the revolving door) – but in the case both you and Mary mention, who’s to say that the retired admiral wouldn’t be a better manager than a brilliant doctor in that health area.

    Using expressions like “found a niche” clearly indicates disapproval and – at least indirectly – conveys the thought that the guy’s not up to it. That is too Manichean and I feel constrained to comment.

  29. …”I feel constrained to comment”
    Don’t we all? All-Bran often helps…
    I envy you your cosy certitude that no graft is involved in 99% of government – private transactions. And re Osborne having had not one but two very friendly meetings with Murdoch this month, I’d say it’s getting more blatant by the day.

  30. Yes, get well soon & look after yourself, don’t worry about blogging till you’re fully recovered! We’ll all still be here!

  31. Our best recuperations from Norfolk, we have been a wee bit worried about your incessant schedules.

    Maybe you should consider appointing a board of deputies who decide to fill in when your not well.

    I would like to suggest this as a default, as we are all capable here to dig up Werritty if we find the spade and where to dig, but it would be good to know that we have a contingency plan of sorts.

    The Canaries were thrown out of the cup by the hatters, in the 80th minute, what a humiliating defeat that was.

    Norfolk county council leader Derrick Murphy will have to stand up to the standards committee tomorrow morning and I shall be there for it. Hopefully the Tory stranglehold over Norfolk affairs will be changed in May.

    http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/politics/pressure_builds_to_hold_derrick_murphy_standards_hearing_in_public_1_1832499

    get better soon, the Sam Adams award was hardly covered by the papers, but you were mentioned here, in a debate on torture, Ivonne is present but so are others you know, yours truly mentioned some 29 minutes into the debate.
    Takle good care, we need ya…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01qgn3x/The_Big_Questions_Series_6_Episode_4/

  32. Take it easy Craig, and get yourself properly well.

  33. Good to hear you back to your old spitting self, Komodo, you must have been ‘enthralled’ with Murphy’s Kevingate….:)

  34. Craig

    Best wishes for your health and prosperity. Having had several bouts of atrial fibrillation in the aftermath of a heart-bypass last January, I know how debilitating it can be, but also how well it responds to drugs.

    Once you’re back in the UK, let’s catch up on politics, the FCO [I was speaking to Michael Wood at the launch last night of the Sir Arthur Watts Senior Research Fellowship in Public International Law], Ghana etc. Many friends regularly ask for news of you and I generally point them towards this website, so it will be good to have you back in full flow.

  35. I’m afraid Kevingate passed me by completely, Nevermind. I’ve been a bit engrossed in other things lately…having reported on District Council meetings, I admit, it’s difficult to work up any enthrallment, too. Googled it – Murphy is plainly insane, and what was he doing in the Turks and Caicos at taxpayer’s expense? Mentoring local government types? Amusing.

  36. When I referred earlier to the Vice Admiral going on to the local PCT board, I meant to say District General Hospital Foundation Trust. Primary Care Trusts and Strategic Health Authorities are being abolished and from April, services will be procured by Clinical Commissioning Groups under the aegis of National Commissioning Boards. The services can be provided by existing publicly owned organisations or more likely by private organisations whose ultimate motive is to produce profits for the shareholders. Community hospitals are already being closed up as the emphasis is to provide care in the home.

    You will have noticed that whole hospital closures are being announced and departments closed down like A&E and Maternity as there is a double attack on the NHS by budget cuts.

    We will be lucky to have the NHS as we know and love it in five or so years’ time.

    Yesterday I read that Lord Owen was registering this bill to amend Lansley’s Health and Social Care Act 2012.

    Lord Owen, who is now a crossbencher, said that the 2012 act had to be changed because it removes the democratic and legal basis of the NHS.

    The secretary of state’s duty to secure or provide health services is key to a free at point-of-use, comprehensive and democratically accountable NHS and has been in force since 1948.

    However, the 2012 act removes this responsibility from the secretary of state, which means that the government is no longer directly responsible for meeting all healthcare needs free of charge.

    http://www.hsj.co.uk/news/lord-owen-registers-bill-to-overturn-key-lansley-reforms/5054242.article

    One little fragment of an Act that contains hundreds of densely worded pages. The Wikipedia page that attempts to explain it is exceptionally long too. The British people have been tricked and betrayed.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_and_Social_Care_Act_2012

  37. @ Komodo : OK, but even if 99% is optimistic, then say 90% or 80% or whatever; the point I was trying to make was that it’s mistaken – and probably judgement-warping – to assume that these examples pf corruption and so on are the rule rather than the exception.

    Do you have a comment on what I said about pantouflage?

    Finally, Komodo : I think you knew perfectly well what I was trying to say with the 99%. But you chose to quibble about the figure itself and started off your comment with a joke of constipation. Yet you’re no doubt part of the contigent on here who deplores the inability or inability of Habbabkuk to debate, his feigned ignorance and his propensity for insults and attack. Think about it.

  38. Dear Craig, get well soon. It’s good you told us about your health. Prayers.

  39. Get well soon Craig! Hope you’re back to your old self in no time!

  40. This was the Galloway question and the reply

    George Galloway (Bradford West) (Respect):
    Following yesterday’s announcement, will the Prime Minister adumbrate for the House the key differences between the hand-chopping, throat-cutting jihadists fighting the dictatorship in Mali whom we are now to help to kill, and the equally bloodthirsty jihadists to whom we are giving money, matériel and political and diplomatic support in Syria? Has the Prime Minister read “Frankenstein”, and did he read it to the end?

    The Prime Minister:
    Some things come and go but there is one thing that is certain: wherever there is a brutal Arab dictator in the world, he will have the support of the hon. Gentleman. [Interruption.]

    and there was this humorous one earlier

    Alex Cunningham (Stockton North) (Lab):
    On the subject of food safety, can the Prime Minister confirm that traces of stalking horse have been found in the Conservative party food chain?

    The Prime Minister:
    Somewhere in my briefing, I had some very complicated information about the danger of particular drugs for horses entering the food chain, and I have to say the hon. Gentleman threw me completely with that ingenious pivot. The Conservative party has always stood for people who want to work hard and get on, and I am glad that all of my—all those behind me take that very seriously indeed.

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/hansard/commons/todays-commons-debates/read/unknown/101/#c101

  41. Stop pushing yourself so hard you prat !
    I will come down and see you in a week or so…

  42. On Karimov’s 75th birthday and who or what follows..

    Uzbekistan: Reflections on Karimov’s 75th Birthday
    http://www.eurasianet.org/node/66469#
    Choihona

    [..]
    Kislov is not the only journalist marking Karimov’s birthday. Danish filmmaker Michael Andersen is even preparing a little present: He is translating his 2012 documentary, “Massacre in Uzbekistan,” into Uzbek and Russian, which he then plans to distribute online for free. A trailer for the 80-minute film about how Uzbek troops shot and killed hundreds of largely peaceful protesters in the eastern city of Andijan in May 2005 has been viewed online over 100,000 times.

    “The level of support and interest we have had for our film shows that even in Uzbekistan, eventually the Internet will prove stronger than the oppressive regime,” Andersen said in a statement marking Karimov’s birthday.
    [..]

  43. Take care Craig, it’s good you’re on the mend. I had some of that AF too a few years ago but they only see me once a year now and it’s usualy just a sounding and a wee chat on how I’m feeling. I was diagnosed with too much iron in my blood at the same time, and as I had the iron-rich blood taken away my AF seemed to go with it.
    None of the doctors in either department would accept that there was a link, but there is a lot of information on the internet that says that iron overload will cause AF among other things.
    If you have not already done so, get your blood/iron level checked as your Murray genes put you in the risk category for it.

  44. BrianFujisan

    30 Jan, 2013 - 6:45 pm

    Best take it easy Craig, lest you end up with Frazer in your ear.

    Cura Ut Valeas

  45. Craig, it’s good to hear from you and thanks for posting.

  46. Does everyone realise who the person wishing him well is, just above Craig’s own comment above?

    Nice to see him pop in briefly, haha. He doesn’t get out much…

  47. Hope the health improves soon Craig. My wife has a similar condition and as such I understand what you have been through. You must rest when possible and give things a chance to find a balance. The drugs work if you let them………

  48. Dear Craig – do whatever it takes to get fully fit asap; I think of you every time I pass through W Runton – and occasionally get out at! Good thoughts/prayers/vibes from me.

  49. Arbed, 30 Jan, 7:17 pm, are you saying that you know that the comment:

    “Julian, 30 Jan, 2013 – 2:39 pm”

    is from Julian Assange?

    Mr Assange, if that’s you, respect to you, and best wishes.

  50. @Arbed: Julian uses a smiley face?! I smile too :-)
    @Craig: Be well, take care.
    @Julian: Dude! Yo! Hang in there!

    Best wishes to all from Southern California.

  51. Welcome back, Craig, and no apologies needed! We’ve missed you but we also want you to take care of yourself so we will be able to read you for many years to come.

  52. Is everyone ignoring the Israeli strike on Syria or is everyone under the table or in a Bunker?

  53. Anon Doug Scorgie and I did on the previous thread. It’s yet another Israeli outrage which the Western powers will ignore. Israel knows no law.

  54. @ Mary, 5.21pm

    That George Galloway quote from PM’s Question Time is a corker. Was reduced to helpless fits of giggles. Thanks, I needed that :)

  55. “Yet you’re no doubt part of the contigent on here who deplores the inability or inability of Habbabkuk to debate, his feigned ignorance and his propensity for insults and attack. Think about it.”

    No, I think you’re a chronic nitpicker who mistakes hammering at a selected point for the deployment of awesome debating skills. I suspect you do it to stall discussion of other topics, too. But just this once, I’ll take the bait.

    Yes, I know what you meant. You meant – or for whatever reason pretended you meant – that the people in power do not promote, reward and issue sinecure “jobs” to those offering them or their cabals money and influence, and they don’t systematically erode the income of those not entitled (by virtue of tentacular contact networks) to equal treatment.

    You’re saying they don’t; that the majority of people are decent and honest…I say, whether or not that’s true, the minority who aren’t decent and honest are in power. That’s how they got to be in power, for Christ’s sake. That’s the only way to get power under this system. Ask a truthful district councillor, (as I once did) why he wanted the job, and he’ll tell you in one word (as he did) – “Power”

    This from today’s Guardian (Hugh Muir is one of the good guys):

    … happy days, it seems, at broker Tullett Prebon, which will apparently allow some execs to delay receiving bonuses until April to take advantage of a cut in income tax for top earners. Most unfortunate, though, for a government keen to get tough on fat cats. Particularly irritating, perhaps, for business minister Michael Fallon, until last September a non-exec director at Tullett and a past chair of its remuneration committee. Who else is there? Angela Knight, a non-exec director, member of the remuneration committee, the ex-boss of the British Bankers’ Association and once the Tory MP for Erewash. Always hard to fall out with friends.

    Just so.

  56. Thanks for that eloquent explanation of our District council, Komodo, I have known Fuller and Mooney for 2 decades and their connivance has not changed since.

    Worst egg is kemp, he’s is devious but there are many other Spratts that evaded the otter for far a long time.

    Come May this will hopefully change.

  57. I hear Agent Cameron is making an unannounced trip to Tripoli. Even walking through the streets. Wow! Any arms salesmen with him along for the ride? He has Robinson of the BBC embedded and another from Sky and some others I guess.

  58. yes he is Mary, with snipers on every roof and a press black out, nobody in Libya knows he’s there, bar those who have been briefed and he’s not standing still, always moving on, very security conscious.

  59. BrianFujisan

    31 Jan, 2013 - 5:21 pm

    Another wee sippet on The Coward Cameron Vs Galloway incident.

    George Galloway’s reply in his letter to Cameron:
    Dear Prime Minister,
    I’m sure on reflection you will realise that your answer to me today was beneath you and unbecoming for a British Prime Minister. I will deal with the complete absence of a substantive reply in a moment. But let me deal first with the vulgar abuse.

    I do not support any Arab dictatorship, unlike you. It is you who is selling weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia and providing military training there. It is you who is supporting the Bahraini dictatorship. It is you who supported the Mubarak dictatorship until its last hours. Ditto the late dictatorship in Tunisia, Yemen etc. It is you who has the warmest possible relations with the dictatorships in the Gulf.

    I could go on, believe me. I, on the other hand, have spoken, written and broadcast against all Arab dictatorships. Perhaps your staff, in preparing your reply, will provide you with the evidence of this. I also read Frankenstein until the end.

    I told one of your predecessors, Lady Thatcher, on the eve of the triumph of those whom your party routinely described as ‘Afghan freedom fighters’ that she “had opened the gates to the barbarians…. And that a long dark night would now descend upon the people of Afghanistan”.

    I warned repeatedly against the folly of the creation of the Arab-Afghan force which became Al Qaida. Immediately after 9/11 I said in the House that “I despise Osama Bin Laden, the medieval obscurantist savage. The difference is that I have always despised him. I despised him when you (pointing at the Tory benches) were giving him guns and money”.

    I find it genuinely inexplicable that you are doing it all over again. This is a tragedy which begins to look farcical when one considers the issue which I raised today with you. We are now killing Al Qaida in Mali and helping Al Qaida kill in Syria – killing Christians, killing Shiites, killing Kurds, killing Druze, killing Sunnis who won’t join their jihad, and soon, trust me, they will be killing each other.

    There may be “key differences” between Al Qaida in Mali and their counterparts in Syria. I asked you to explain these to the House today. You refused. But it is a question which will not go away before a puff of vulgar abuse.

    I look forward to your reply.

    Yours sincerely,

    George Galloway MP

  60. The Galloway letter states that he doesn’t support any Arab dictatorship (nb – he uses the present tense) and that he has spoken, written and broadcast against all Arab dictatorships (use of the perfect tense).

    Iraq under Saddam Hussein ?

  61. So?

    Rummy shakes hands with Saddam
    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

    Bliar kisses Gaddafi
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JBMJZu_GTbc/TsTyLA-bNnI/AAAAAAAACAo/TvBCMpCxBJQ/s1600/gaddafi-blair_w.jpg

    There are known knowns; there are things we know we know.
    We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say, we know there are some things we do not know.
    But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don’t know we don’t know.”

    —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld

    LOL and ROTFLMAO

  62. BrianFujisan

    31 Jan, 2013 - 7:14 pm

    Whilst We’re on the subject of Iraq under Sadam

    It wasn’t Sadam whom Deliberately Killed Half a million of his countries infants – The Monstrous Abright – ” yes we think the price was worth it ” An infanticde led by western Sanctions…Bastards KNEW who would suffer most.

    It wasn’t Sadam whom Used banned D.U wmd’s on an Entire cities Population, resulting the destuction of almost the Entire city of Fallujah… Also Resulting in doctors warning women there Not to fall Pregnant. Sickening

    It wasn’t Sadam whom decimated Iraq, turning the place into One of the hells on earth ( the west backed isrealis are doing the same in Palestine)

    There were No WMD’S in Iraq…we Know this

  63. Thank you Kom at 11.35 – I have been missing your forensic demolition skills.

  64. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Galloway#Iraq_and_Saddam_Hussein

    Giving evidence in his libel case against the Daily Telegraph newspaper in 2004, Galloway testified that he regarded Saddam as a “bestial dictator” and would have welcomed his removal from power, but not by means of a military attack on Iraq. Galloway also pointed that he was a prominent critic of Saddam Hussein’s regime in the 1980s, as well as of the role of Margaret Thatcher’s government in supporting arms sales to Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war. Labour MP Tam Dalyell said during the controversy over whether Galloway should be expelled from the Labour Party that “in the mid-1980s there was only one MP that I can recollect making speeches about human rights in Iraq and this was George Galloway.”[62] When the issue of Galloway’s meetings with Saddam Hussein is raised, including before the US Senate, Galloway has argued that he had met Saddam “exactly the same number of times as US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld met him. The difference is Donald Rumsfeld met him to sell him guns and to give him maps the better to target those guns.”[63] He continued “I met him to try to bring about an end to sanctions, suffering and war”.

  65. Good Brian Fujisan and Clark.

    I thought Galloway’s letter was erudite, eloquent and straight forward and exposed Cameron for the hollow sham that he is.

    btw ITN tonight described Cameron as ‘one of Libya’s liberators’.

    Medialens
    Tom Bradby (ITV News) just described Cameron as…”One of Libya’s liberators”. Unbelievable!
    ~~

    Re: Tom Bradby (ITV News)
    From Wicki…

    “Bradby became Royal Correspondent for ITV News, covering a number of key stories, including the Queen’s Jubilee year, as well as the deaths of the Queen Mother and Princess Margaret. He went on to become ITV News’ UK editor, and then political editor. On 16 November 2010 he carried out the first official interview of Prince William and Catherine Middleton at St James’s Palace following the announcement of the couple’s engagement, reportedly having been specifically requested by the couple due to Bradby’s friendship with the Prince.[5] He subsequently attended William and Catherine’s wedding as a guest on 29 April 2011.[6]

    Unusually for a political editor he views himself as apolitical, saying that he does not “have a coherent set of political views”.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Bradby

    Reply from Presenter Alistair Stewart on Twitter: “So, what? Invader? Ask the people of Libya, post-Gadaffi”.
    ~~~

    That is what we are up against. A compliant media.

  66. Mary, Even by the Corporate Media standards. to Attempt to portray Agent C, as a hero of any sort over Libya. i almost CANT believe. it First the Guardian Lies the other day, and now this. EVERY western leader and cohorts that had their grubby hand in Libya are war criminals, When people on Craig’s Blog are Often on Other Alternative media sites ( Global Research, Medialens, ect, we find the horrifying, Harrowing, Truths, what the So called rebels were doing to whole families in Libya, had me in tears, Maybe not the first time since Rwanda.

    I noticed you like a bit of poetry Mary, here’s one i wrote many years ago

    Those born
    with aims so Fierce
    those thorns
    of destruction pierce

    And some may cry
    as Holocaust’s return
    But the world stands by
    As Evil fires burn

    Sadly Shaking heads
    of MEN grown old
    soldiers who bled
    for a world grown Cold

    We watch the piling death
    as mighty leaders rant and rave
    godless months of wasted breath -
    Send people to the earth, in Vast, Mass graves

    Hard heavy years
    Like a Bloody and breathless, Afro sky
    or Frozen ocean, of ward war tears
    the pain has waned, we Voyeurs stand by

    As Genocide is reapplied
    Cruel sad world, of Fear and Hate
    Worldly hearts have ossified
    Stones Wont Bleed, for a Million’s Sure Fate

    On the Rwandan Genocide……..Brian

  67. That’s beautiful and very tragic. It reminded me of old Harry Patch’s words about war. He died at the great age of 111. He wanted no fuss for his funeral but it was turned into a miltary and state affair with Camilla turning up for it.

    http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/128746

    Thanks Brian. Goodnight.

  68. Craig, good health to you too.

    Having read carefully your recent health entry, it appears that your immune system is playing havoc with you. This needs to be approached holistically, i.e. at a mind-body level. Diet, sleep, possibly relaxation techniques, brisk-walking, swimming while your in the warmth of Ghana, Ayurvedic herbal medicines etc. There are many things, all of which are within easy grasp that can and indeed need to be done to turn the situation around positively radically. Adding 20 years to your life and improving the quality of your life by multiples through removing blockages of energy and balancing the mind-body, which is you.

    Modern allopathic medicine is as great as it is deeply flawed because of its limited grasp of the whole. It has its strengths and it is important to evaluate the star of the heart but we are a collection of body parts and our consciousness which makes us whole. Often people like you who are averse to corruption of all forms in life and this world become more sensitive and therefore susceptible. Relying on modern medicine alone, which is corrupt, carries its risks.

    If i can guide you further, and more specifically, you have my email and it would be a pleasure.

    Be well!

  69. I worry that Craig is travelling in planes quite often. I put this link up before on the long thread where it got buried.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-airways-pilots-killed-by-toxic-1559777
    There are many other similar links.

    The only times I have been really ill with bronchial infections was after two long journeys to South Africa where my stepson and family live. The first time I spent most of my fortnight there in bed and thought my number was up at one stage. I am normally very healthy and do not catch colds or flu. The second time after getting home I was off work for nearly a fortnight. It has put me off going out there again and they cannot afford to come here due to the high cost of the fare which used to be in the low £hundreds but which is now just over £1,000 or getting on for £2,000 in the peak season.

  70. Villager, 1 Feb, 3:28 am, from the next thread:

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/01/amelia-hill-is-a-dirty-liar/#comment-391536

    Sorry, although your comment contains some balance, I feel that I had to supply a bit more:

    “This is a purely herbal preparation, fast acting, healing and enduring without any side-effects. Chuck away those antibiotics–in the end they only create more toxins in the body, weaken your immune system and weaken you.” [My emphasis]

    Antibiotics also kill bacteria very effectively. I’ll cite en example from my own experience.

    One December I developed a very painful abcess under a tooth (which I probably could have avoided, but I’m not perfect). I saw my dentist who said that the tooth should be extracted, but not until the infection in the abcess had been countered, so he prescribed antibiotics, but with Christmas coming he couldn’t give me an appointment until January.

    The pain decreased dramatically one day after starting my course of antibiotics, but started to return shortly after I’d finished the course. Since my dentist couldn’t schedule another appointment, I saw a GP and asked for more antibiotics to “tide me over”. This GP wasn’t very experienced, insisted that I was having an alergic reaction to the antibiotics despite that never happening to me before, and prescribed anti-histamines.

    I got worse; I was getting blood poisioning from the bacteria in the abcess. My arms and legs developed hard, hot, red patches and I could barely function. Between Christmas and New Year I contacted my dentist. He couldn’t fit in an appointment, but wrote out a prescription for more antibiotics which I collected from reception. A day after starting those the red patches were gone, I could think clearly again and I was back to having just a loose and sensitive tooth, which was extracted early in January.

    That’s twice in a row that antibiotics demonstrated their effectiveness to me, plus the negative example of what happened without them. Blood poisioning can be fatal, and I’m very glad that I didn’t “Chuck away those antibiotics”.

    I expect that antibiotics can “create more toxins in the body” – many substances do, but of course the body has methods of expelling toxins. But the bacteria in the abcess were creating toxins faster than my body could dispose of them. Antibiotics worked alongside my body’s own systems and helped me until the cause could be dealt with.

    However, there are real problems associated with antibiotics, particularly that bacteria are developing resistance to them.

    Antibiotics reduce the load on parts of what gets called “the immune system”. This is why entire herds of farm animals are routinely dosed with antibiotics; the energy that the animals save by getting support in their fight against bacteria enables greater milk yeilds or faster weight gain. But, of course, this effectively sets up an “evolutionary laboratory” in which bacteria can develop resistance to antibiotics. As usual, commercial systems sacrifice long-term good for short-term profit.
    …..

    You also stated “This is a purely herbal preparation”. I’m not sure if you intended this as some sory of guarantee of safety, but a lot of advocates of “alternative” treatments do so. Therefore, I remind you that many of the most powerful toxins are produced by plants and animals. Arachnids are notorious for their well developed armoury of toxic substances. There are all the snake venoms, of course. And plants such as digitalis and deadly nighshade, and all the toxic fungii. And in the micro realm we have botulism, salmonella, etc. etc. Nature “invented” chemical weapons long before humans did.

  71. “This is why entire herds of farm animals are routinely dosed with antibiotics;”

    Now illegal under EU law, still do it in America.

  72. Villager, I also have trouble with this:

    “Relying on modern medicine alone, which is corrupt, carries its risks.” [My emphasis]

    I don’t think that you meant to imply that the entire field of modern medicine is corrupt, nor that the entire field of “alternative” medicine is free from corruption. However, many alternative medicine advocates do propose exactly that, and your statement above could be read that way.

    There is both corruption and integrity in both fields, though its type tends to be polarised. The alternative field seems to suffer from more personal, individual corruption, whereas the establishment field suffers from well documented corporate (i.e. systemic) corruption, particularly in drug testing / approval, and to a lesser degree (I think) in research in general.

    If you’ve read Craig’s Murder in Samarkand, you’ll know about the acupuncturist who recommended that Craig indulge a bit of paedophilia, and then plunged a very long needle into his chest. Craig subsequently suffered from many small blood clots in his lungs.

  73. Fred, 1 Feb, 2:09 pm: thanks. Is that practice now entirely prohibited in Europe? Are there loopholes? Does it still continue due to inadequate enforcement?

    Whatever, it shows the need for global enforcement. How many bacterium in a single animal? Let’s say that the European regulations have cut the practice by half. That still leaves trillions of bacteria still trying their survival abilities against the handful of antibiotics, and it only takes one single bacterium to survive and multiply; cutting the practice by half seems pretty insignificant. The new strain will soon find its way back to Europe.

  74. “Is that practice now entirely prohibited in Europe? Are there loopholes? Does it still continue due to inadequate enforcement?”

    Been banned since 2006 I believe, in pigs before that. On large farms in Britain I would say getting hold of the antibiotics unnoticed would be difficult and they would face a hefty fine if caught. I suspect a few dairy farmers may well give calves a non therapeutic dose soon after birth as a preventative measure, they’re usually sold on at a week old and they want to sell them healthy.

    As for the rest of Europe, some governments turn a blind eye to these things, they don’t like upsetting their farmers, they have to eat.

  75. Clark
    1 Feb, 2013 – 1:03 pm
    Villager, 1 Feb, 3:28 am, from the next thread:

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/01/amelia-hill-is-a-dirty-liar/#comment-391536

    Sorry, although your comment contains some balance, I feel that I had to supply a bit more:

    “This is a purely herbal preparation, fast acting, healing and enduring without any side-effects. Chuck away those antibiotics–in the end they only create more toxins in the body, weaken your immune system and weaken you.” [My emphasis]

    Antibiotics also kill bacteria very effectively. I’ll cite en example from my own experience.
    —-
    Clark thank you for your response and for bringing it into the right thread, as this is where Julian had popped-in. And my message was specifically addressed to him in the context of the very limited information about his health kicking around the media.

    My point assumes that the standard anti-biotics have been tried, yet there is/was a persistent ‘raking cough’. I am in no way suggesting that anti-biotics are useless, just that they tend to be over-prescribed in this country as in the West generally. Most coughs, however stubborn and persistent, do not require antibacterial agents. So when i said ” in the end they only create more toxins in the body, weaken your immune system and weaken you.”, i mean in the end after having taken course-after-course and the darned thing is still there, that would be an occasion to chuck away the antibiotics. Although my perspective is that herbal Ayurveda medicines can be tried as a first line of treatment unless there are clear symptoms of the presence of unwanted bacteria or a test result confirming that. Unwanted or prolonged use of antibiotics can indeed as i said “create more toxins in the body” exacerbated by their side-effects and one’s lifestyle (eg a lack of exercise and fresh air). In case Julian’s case unfortunately, it can be safely assumed that his is not a holistic lifestyle confined as he is. That is one reason i believe that the treatment he is receiving from the British Govt is downright inhumane. A common side-effect of antibiotics is diarrhoea and at a minimum it is bound to effect the proper functioning of the digestive system, compounding the level of toxins in the body and slowing down the process of their expulsion.

    I take some issue with Ayurveda being termed as an alternative medicine but rather like beauty, it is in the eyes of the beholder. Man is moving farther and farther away from not just from Nature but also from his own essential nature. I also have some issue with Ayurveda and all other medical branches being clubbed together as alternative. I believe in complementary/integrative medicine and don’t feel the need to club all non-allopathic treatments as ‘alternative’. I have often heard people confusing Ayurveda with homeopathy for example which couldn’t be farther from the truth. I am not going to try to sell Ayurveda to anyone but speaking from personal experience in the awareness of holistic living, i would recommend that you or anyone interested in holistic health day-to-day gets a look into it. Rather like yoga (but a set of exercises), i predict it will be the next Big Thing to happen in the health arena, in the deep sense of the word. The Online Resource section of the following website is a good place to start.

    http://ayurveda.com/online_resource/index.html

    WRT my statement that this is a “purely herbal preparation” i mean it as distinct from certain natural remedies which may also contain metals and/or minerals. Secondly to emphasise that the (inherent) chemicals one is ingesting are from a herbal/natural source and not synthetically made. But then so are, for the most part, cocaine, heroin and marijuana, we know that.

  76. Villager, thanks for that, it really does make your position and recommendations much clearer. I agree entirely that antibiotics have tended to be over-prescribed, though I have got the impression in the last few years that general practitioners have been more careful with them; I’ve seen posters pointing out that antibiotics do not treat viral infections, and awareness of this fact seems to be spreading.

    I think that it is very valuable that you posted this clarification. Medicine has become yet another propaganda battleground, and in that context I hope you can see how your original comment could have been interpreted. I get very upset by those people who claim that, in the field of modern medicine, all doctors, medical staff, and the entire body of researchers, are involved in an immense conspiracy to kill patients so long as it makes money; it is a very hurtful slur against people who have dedicated their lives to trying to help people, and it serves only to polarise the issue and muddle peoples’ minds.

    Similarly, but from the “opposite” perspective, I entirely accept your point about lumping all other types of treatment under the umbrella term of “alternative”. I’m sorry that I did so, but I know nothing of Ayurveda. Grief, what a minefield; there aren’t even broadly agreed terms with which to discuss the matter! For instance, the label “allopathic”, as I understand it, is a term from homoeopathy, to distinguish “treating like with like” from “treating like with opposite”, and is obviously too narrow to apply to “modern” medicine with, for instance, its use of vaccines.

    Here’s to a wiser, more inclusive future, eh?

  77. Hope you get well soon, Craig.

  78. Clark, you’re very welcome and yes we ‘modern’ humans are going to have to wisen up. Very few people are in tune with themselves, resulting everything from aggression to conflicts to dis-ease.

    We don’t know who we are and don’t know how to read or listen to our bodies, which is one cliche which is not a cliche and yet since people don’t really understand what it means lapses back to being a cliche. I say listen to your body, your self first before running off to go listen to a doctor. We want somebody to spoon feed us and to tell us all will be well–just as long as you take these pills for xyz diagnoses which themselves are mere labels and prevent us from a holistic mind-body understanding of quite what is going on inside. X is told he has IBS and Y is told he has migraines and off they go happy that the ‘syndrome’ has been understood when in fact it hasn’t. The patient in turn becomes a card carrying member of the IBS society and blames the factors on their genes or external aspects thereby absolving all self-responsibility to understand the roots and make changes, and then huddles and commiserates with other such ‘afflicted’. The whole world you see is busy blaming factors external to them for all their problems, in every sphere, including health. The first tendency is blame a bug, not the fact that one isn’t eating or exercising properly or drinking in excess and so on and so forth.

    Ayurveda provides a framework to understand oneself and for most is as good a place to start to ask Who Am I?

    Why am i so aggressive? Why am i so abusive? Why do i feel out of whack? Why am i so egotistic?

    At the risk of going out on a limb i would observe that you could take more care of your sleep and its timings. An old adage: An hour of sleep before midnight is worth two after. Its linked to our circadian rhythms.

    Watch the birds how they promptly follow the sunset to sleep. Having come full circle, now that is being in tune with Nature with a capital N and in tune with their own essential nature which is part of all that. No, we have set ourselves apart from Nature and as ‘modern’ man think we are above it. Indeed, we are ravaging the environment; our minds/consciousness are/is a mess. An impartial alien observer would observe that we are on a path to destruction. Other wise this blog would be redundant. We get lost in the details–just look at the the silly, childish bickering that goes on here. People will argue that the devil is in the detail. I would posit but the Angels are in the Big Picture. And a healthy Society begins with a healthy mind and a healthy body.

    As K said “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”

    I would also propose that self-study is an elementally important part of sane and healthy living. You may want to check him out at
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti

    and

    http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/video.php

    Hope you’ve won the challenge thrown by your computer and haven’t been ZOOKD.

    Universal Blessings!

    PS as for corruption in modern medicine, check this out as a taster. Another conversation, another time.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GlaxoSmithKline#Controversies

  79. What this thread needs is a sound track.

    http://www.graven-images.org.uk/temp/detritus.mp3

  80. Villager, that Wikipedia link is quite a list, eh? Every example of corruption listed is driven by the profit motive, so I would ascribe the corruption to corporatism rather than “modern medicine”. Specifically corporatism, as the corporate structure bypasses personal morals, replacing any individuals that don’t serve the corporate objective of profit maximisation.

    http://medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2012/702-bad-pharma-bad-journalism.html

    And a small example from my own reflections:

    http://www.killick1.plus.com/corporate-behaviour.html

    A corporation uses people rather like a body manipulates cells, but in terms of value-judgements, we regard these as opposites; when cells break the body’s rules and multiply for their own reproduction we call it cancer. The next level of scale up we see corporations trying to grow without limit damaging Earth’s ecosystem, thus themselves acting like cancer at that level.

    I’m not sure that it’s possible to be well adjusted within our dysfunctional modern system, or at least, not if we’re trying to fix it, rather like a body that produces “symptoms” as it struggles to correct some life-threatening condition. Yes, us humans bicker over the details, frantically firing brief messages at each other across the Internet like neurons in the brain of someone trying to solve an urgent, complex and alarming problem.

    Isn’t it odd how so many huge problems and great opportunities all seem to be converging towards some climax or cataclysm? Population increase, energy supply, the ability to manipulate energy including that from which we ourselves are formed, all the religions and ideologies overlapping and producing both conflict and synthesis…

    I’d go on but, unusually, I think I can get to sleep quite early tonight, thanks to a long and energetic walk (due to the thickness of the mud), concurrent with a conversation that seemed to have somewhat addressed some long-standing issues. Tomorrow I’ll continue with building my “new” computer (actually ten year old “junk” which will run community-written Free (GPL) Software just fine). In the mean time, Fred, I can’t play your .mp3, but thanks for linking to it, and I’ve saved it to play when I can.

    Thanks for your kind wishes which I return; best wishes and hope to you and everyone.

  81. @ Villager, 7.41pm – Hear, hear. I too believe that a lot of our dis-ease and dysfunction is because we externalise the causes of our unhappiness and fail to understand the proper boundaries between self/other, and which side of them responsibility truly lies.

  82. All the best with your health issues Craig, please try to take things as easy as is humanly possible for a man such as yourself.

  83. Exactly, Arbed. Response means answer. And we are busy looking for answers outside when the answer is within. We want “Society” to provide us with all our answers, just sort it out for ‘me’.

    To me, responsibility=answer + ability= my ability to answer/respond.

    Only then can you and I and the other build a healthy Society, for it IS We who have built this sick society. Change comes from within; it must start from me. I can go and march with a million other people and protest and it will have zero effect, unless each of us changes at a profound fundamental level.

    This is where my admiration for Assange comes in. He is a different man, his world view is part of who he is, not something contrived. His approach, personal risk and sacrifice is having an impact on our collective consciousness. He is rejected and criticised for the same reason by people and ‘forces’ who are opposed to change. Who are blasé about war and organised murder. These are people who are very well adjusted to a sick society imho.

  84. Clark, i hear what you are saying but i won’t be fooled by the corporate veil. There are people behind and of course within these companies. The same holds true within the power structures of Government but i won’t call it Government’ism. I reject every ‘ism–they are redundant to me. So i will call it directly corruption. The etymology of corruption includes ‘unhealthy’.

    There are bribes involved in the form of bonuses, contracts with ‘researchers’ (sometimes happy to give you the answer required0, twisted influence over Govt etc etc.

    More later and keep up the walking, as brisk as your body’s natural response. Have a good day!

  85. Villager, I agree that there is personal-scale corruption. What I’m arguing is that structure escapes adequate inspection. As humans, our tendency is to examine at the scale of individuals, and, dare I say it, our human arrogance tricks us into thinking ourselves more important than we really are. So we tend to miss the importance of large-scale structure.

    So let’s say that all humanity embark on spiritual self-improvement. Some achieve selflessness faster than others, but the proportion of selfish individuals shows a consistent downward trend. Good.

    But what of the corporations and other such structures? Which individuals are they going to select? Which individuals can they safely select, considering that the corporations are locked in evolutionary competition with each other?

    Say that Corp A selects a spiritually advanced board of directors who put human welfare and responsible environmental practices ahead of profit, whereas Corp B continues to behave like your example of GlaxoSmithKline. Corp B will “grow” at the expense of Corp A – where “grow” refers to the very limited realm of making more money, which is the environment in which these entities compete. Maybe Corp B will beat Corp A so thoroughly that Corp A can be subsumed, i.e. bought; this does seem to happen a lot, we routinely see the number of competing entities getting smaller, and the surviving entities themselves each getting bigger.

    How small does the pool of spiritually unadvanced pool of individuals have to become before the corporations can no longer find the sort of decision-makers they need in order to survive in their brutal environment?

  86. To put it another way, personal corruption is to corporations as a nutrient like iron is to the mammalian body – it’s necessary, but each body only requires a little bit which it directs to the critical locations within itself. Trying to reduce corporate corruption by eliminating personal corruption would be like trying to limit a population of mammals by making iron unavailable.

    The effective way of countering corporate corruption is by transparency, accountability and regulation. Those should be functions of governments, but governments have been subverted by corporate influence.

    And that is why Wikileaks is so important, and why the corporate media is working so hard to discredit Assange.

  87. Continued from N_’s comment:

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/01/amelia-hill-is-a-dirty-liar/comment-page-3/#comment-392097

    Pole shifts: I think that humanity should make appropriate preparation.

    The swelling of Sol to a red giant: That’s a long way off, and the Milky Way is due to collide with the Andromeda galaxy before then. Probably there won’t be humans that far in the future, but if there are, they should be well equipped to just get out of the way, if they want to.

    Martin Rees and his “Billions of years”: Well, he could be right. There have been many mass extinctions on Earth. About 2.4 billion years ago, so it’s reckoned, photosynthesis really took off and flooded Earth’s atmosphere with oxygen. At the time, this was a deadly poison to most organisms, and a mass extinction probably occurred.

    I know that there’s a lot of extinction going on right now, but if humans cook up uncontrollable, genetically engineered organisms or maybe self-replicating nano-machines (is there any difference?), then yes, the effects upon Earth could continue until the whole planet gets roasted in billions of years time. I do think that Rees might be a bit nuts, but that doesn’t mean he’s necessarily wrong about this.

    Where would I draw the line? Which line? My idea of “progress” is that it is cumulative. Just changing things is not progress, if your new stuff destroys or makes impossible your former stuff. I don’t use Twitter, but others are welcome to as far as I’m concerned. I want technology that doesn’t destroy the natural environment, because I like the natural environment, and because that would be change as opposed progress. If people want to develop retroviruses that enable them to modify their entire DNA and thereby change sex or grow wings, that’s fine by me so long as it isn’t compulsory.

    “For the record, in the kind of society I want, no, there would be no internet. I assume that in the kind of society you want, there would be.”

    So it seems that you’d like to reduce the possibilities available in the future, whereas I’d like to increase them.

  88. Hello! Who is here clearing spam?

  89. “The swelling of Sol to a red giant: That’s a long way off, and the Milky Way is due to collide with the Andromeda galaxy before then. Probably there won’t be humans that far in the future, but if there are, they should be well equipped to just get out of the way, if they want to.”

    All a long way off. But the Arctic could well be ice free in summer in as little as five years and some say it is the canary in the coal mine.

    The bastards can’t wait to start drilling for oil there.

  90. Fred, I know, and I object strongly to both. I’m amazed to be arguing with N_, who apparently thinks that climate change is just propaganda, and also wants to limit, and indeed regress, human technology. What? Why not limit the extractions of fossil fuels? Get rid of the Internet, and yet extract and burn as much ancient sludge as possible? How can this make sense?

  91. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    5 Feb, 2013 - 12:56 am

    Clark; Have you heard of Nemesis?

    The iridium in earth’s crust suggest it may be bombarded with asteroids, small and large on a regular basis (by cosmic time standards) hurled from gravitational pull of brown dwarf. The Yucatan monster draws attention, but the theory revolves around not just single events from a monster, but a volley over some period of time.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemesis_(hypothetical_star)

  92. Ben Franklin, no, I hadn’t. Thanks.

  93. “Fred, I know, and I object strongly to both. I’m amazed to be arguing with N_, who apparently thinks that climate change is just propaganda, and also wants to limit, and indeed regress, human technology. What? Why not limit the extractions of fossil fuels? Get rid of the Internet, and yet extract and burn as much ancient sludge as possible? How can this make sense?”

    I think the internet is developing it’s own religions, cults even. I can say “Craig Murray, I agree with him on a lot of things but others he has completely wrong”.

    You try telling them Alex Jones got anything wrong, they go ballistic.

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