Pistorius

by craig on February 21, 2013 10:55 am in Uncategorized

The secret to commiting the perfect murder, killing someone and getting away with it, is to become a celebrity first. The media wave yesterday and today is that Pistorius is suddenly vindicated by the inarticulate policeman who could not cope with a very glib defence lawyer. It is like watching “Chicago” for real.

Botha was bamboozled by the defence counsel into saying that the police had no evidence that contradicted Pistorius’ version of events. But he had plainly given just such evidence – for example the height and downward angle of the shots indicating Pistorius was wearing his artificial legs. Pistorius had to walk right past the bed where he claims to have believed Steenkamp was to get to the place where he fired the shots, if he told the truth about where he was coming from. He did not bother to check on Steenkamp. He took the revolver from a holster by Steenkamp’s side of the bed. All of that contradicted Pistorius’ account of events. That a policeman was not verbally dexterous enough to put it together under pressure does not alter the facts.

Actually the prosecution had already made the most vital point right at the start of the trial. Even if the person locked in the toilet (and it appears it was a small discreet toilet, not a bathroom) had been a burglar, it would still be murder to pump four bullets in to them. Not to mention the fact that he made, by his own account, no attempt to ascertain who was in the toilet or where Steenkamp was.

Violence against women in South Africa, and gun murder, are both at epidemic levels. Anywhere else it would be astonishing that both the lead policemen and Pistorius himself had been involved in other incidents of shooting at people in the last two years.

I have always held that prison as a punishment should only be given to those who are an active danger to others. Even if you accept every word of Pistorius’ account, he should be in prison for it. I have a sinking feeling he will not be.

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  1. I really cannot understand why this case has caused such a fuss.

    It’s been ‘top story’ on the television news for some days now.

    It’s not that important surely?

  2. The celebrity driven news agenda. Top story two days ago was the Duchess of Cambridge’ stomach and some novelist making comments (sensible in themselves) on Diana.

  3. Tim – it’s the questions that our media are not asking that make this remarkable (but not unusual).

    Year old charges against Botha are suddenly reinstated during a high profile case and all the BBC can say is how sensible it is to remove him from the case.

  4. “Not to mention the fact that he made, by his own account, no attempt to ascertain who was in the toilet or where Steenkamp was”

    I expect her screaming and shouting made that unnecessary.

  5. the msm are running with this story as a distraction to the ongoing paedophile investigations and the robbery of our citizens.

  6. ” Even if the person locked in the toilet (and it appears it was a small discreet toilet, not a bathroom) had been a burglar, it would still be murder to pump four bullets in to them.” – I don’t agree. They break into your home, they deserve anything that comes your way. Tony Martin was right.

  7. That should of course read “everything that come ‘their’ way.”

  8. Uzbek in the UK

    21 Feb, 2013 - 12:01 pm

    ‘The celebrity driven news agenda.’

    Everything to feed stupid public with the stupid news to hide real important developments.

  9. We also have much media speculation about the case. It’s the sort of coverage that would not be allowed here in the UK. I’m sure it is allowed in South Africa.

    I see the BBC engaged in this sort of speculation too.

    Contrast the BBC’s attempts to apply the standards of this country to the Swedish alleged rape case involving Anna Ardin and her anonymity.

  10. Come on, lwtc247, the Tony Martin case was entirely different. He had been systematically burgled many times before; there were two intruders; and they were at large. From what he was in a position to know, they might have been planning to capture him, tie him up, and torture or kill him. Burglars in Britain have been known to overcome a householder, tie him up, and then set fire to him – presumably just for fun.

    In the Pistorius case, it was supposedly a matter of someone locked in the toilet. As long as they were in there, Pistorius was not in danger. If they managed to break out, that would be time enough to consider firing his gun. I would have thought the first thing to be done was phone the police and report a burglar, temporarily secured, but potentially dangerous. The police would have come round, opened the door, and cleared up the confusion. If, that is, Pistorius had not in the meantime managed to notice the absence of his sweetheart from her bed, and connect that with the unknown person in the toilet.

  11. O/T – For Mary, if she’s around.

    Mary, could I ask you to do your wonderful digging on a name for me?

    In May Sweden will be hosting a convention on “Internet Freedom for Global Development”. Here’s the programme:

    http://www.stockholminternetforum.se/program/

    They’ve helpfully listed all the participants sorted by country:

    http://www.stockholminternetforum.se/archive/sif2012/participants/

    including this one:

    SHEA, Jamie P. NATO Sweden

    Who he? NATO = Sweden? I don’t think they’ve told the rest of the world yet that Sweden is a member…

  12. Tom, I’m talking in general about people who break into house.
    I don’t think it applies to Pistorous as nobody broke into his house.
    If what Craig says is true it seems like he did kill her.

  13. Apparently he shot her with a starter pistol so surely it’s a race issue too! Taxi? Pour moi?

  14. Mary,

    I did find this – a NATO report on the “civil dimension of National Security” drafted by Lord Jopling (United Kingdom), their General Rapporteur:

    http://www.nato-pa.int/default.asp?SHORTCUT=2443

    They do seem to be very, very exercised about Wikileaks. The first half of the report is almost exclusively about them.

  15. I caught in between the top stories on the radio earlier, a brisk little mention of how the PM is suggesting ‘military assistance’ should be thought of as developement aid and the cost could come off the developement aid budget (in this time of austerity). Its the opposite of swords to ploughshares isnt it. –Just a little by-the-by mention between the ‘top stories’

    If only developement could be considered a military strategy, developement aid should come off the military budget!

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/cameron-suggests-using-foreign-aid-cash-military-000833893–business.html

  16. Very well said.

    Celebrity, Rich white guy in South Africa?
    My pessimistic view makes me think that he will get away, be on a technicality, diminished responsibility or similar. All that when the simple fact is that he did shoot her FOUR times.
    Why he did it, we might never know for sure.

    The other sad truth is that someone lost a daughter.

  17. U have just got it from the bitterly cold east wind and saw that the wild birds had consumed the feeder full of seeds and nuts that I put out this morning, about 1 kg worth! They must be hungry.

    I saw your message and the name instantly Jamie Shea instantly rang a bell as being a spokesman in one of our wars but I cannot remember which one! I will have a look a bit later when I have thawed out.

    ~~~

    A very weird system of justice seems to pertain in SA. A hearing to determine bail has turned into a trial. I think the hero of the Paralympics is a bit of a psychopath, hence the show of tears. Where does the bloodied cricket bat fit in?

    The defence and the family, who appear to be some of the SA rich, have successfully discredited the police evidence and Mr Botha. I think that if he is given bail, Pistorius will commit suicide.

    The girl was beautiful. She woukd have been a good choice for P Harry.

    ~~~
    The BBC are giving full welly to the verdicts at Woolwich Crown Court on the three Birmingham men.

  18. Uzbek in the UK

    21 Feb, 2013 - 1:06 pm

    Why give this racial dimension? The victim herself was white.

  19. “Why give this racial dimension? The victim herself was white.”

    It was a joke, starting pistol, race, geddit.

  20. This story has led the BBC R4 news for a couple of days. Yesterday at noon, it took the first 1m 10s of a 2 minute bulletin. It’s the primary news in the US too, for some peculiar reason. Speculation goes on and on, being broadcast right now as I type this, on the WaO with Martha “oh… ok.. ok…” Kearney.

    Clearly this was murder. How many burglars hang out in the bathroom – was he supposed to be stealing the toilet paper? If I got up in the middle of the night and found the bathroom occupied, it’s rather likely to be the misses in there, not a burglar.

    Would there be any problem in saying, “You stay where you are until the police arrive – open the door and I’ll fire!”

    And hitting her with 3 out of 4 shots, while apparently scared for his life – through a door at that – after just waking up? Damn – he could have got another medal for shooting in the Olympics.

    What’s this nonsense about the witness who heard screaming and shouting being declared unreliable, because they were 600 feet away? Who else could have done the shouting, if not the couple?

    *

    WTC247: Sorry, Martins was not “right” to shoot an unarmed 16-yo in the back with an illegally held sawn-off shotgun. You can’t go shooting burglars dead with impunity, or all burglars – for their own preservation – would have to go carrying guns themselves and always shoot first.

    Maybe you’re American, where the shooter is always right? No offence mate, but we don’t need advice on gun usage from Americans.

  21. It must have been Iraq and before that Kosovo.

    Oct. 2000 – Mar. 2003 Director of Information and Press
    April 2003 – Aug. 2005 Deputy Assistant Secretary General for External Relations, Public Diplomacy Division
    http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/who_is_who_50159.htm

    I can see no mention of Sweden and they are definitely not in NATO.

    but the old peace keeping mantra comes into play.

    Swedish Troops Head for Afghanistan
    February 18, 2006: Sweden is sending some 400 troops to Afghanistan, to form the core of a PRT (Provincial Reconstruction Team). Although Sweden has been militarily neutral for nearly two centuries, it has been active in contributing troops to peacekeeping missions. During the 1950-53 Korean war, it even sent a military hospital to Korea, and later in the 1950s, began providing military observers and peacekeepers in the Middle East. Sweden, like Switzerland, has a small professional armed force, augmented by a huge reserve (containing all males of military age fit for military service.) The peacekeepers are a combination of professionals, and reservists who volunteer for the duty.
    http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htu…/20060218.aspx

    He is speaking here at that forum you mentioned.

    Informal summary of session 6 – Managing the balance of freedom and security in a digital world. Swedish Foreign Affairs Symposium.

    OR Eliminating freedom and imposing security on a digital world!

    Shea is here sitting next to the dangerous Neville Jones woman. He starts by saying that at the time of the Kosovo air campaign, NATO had an a DNS cyber attack. He uses the 1st person plural throughout when he speaks of NATO. Nasty piece of work. Glib. He could be talking at a supermarket logistics forum not one for killers. Be very afraid. The warmongers’ enforcer.

    http://www.stockholminternetforum.se/archive/sif2012/program/session-6/informal-summary/

  22. Glenn. We’ll have to agree to disagree. I’m not into gun ‘culture’ or a 1776’er :D, but if vermin break into your home (I won’t add the dimensions of the story you somehow left out) then… well good riddance in my books.

  23. Craig wrote – The secret to commiting the perfect murder, killing someone and getting away with it, is to become a celebrity
    first.

    I think this might be a celebrity second or third. O.J. Simpson got away with it and I think Lana Turner did something. Hell, there must be a dozen celebrity murderers out there who got away with it. Robert Blake got away with it but not, alas, the bewigged inventor of the Wall of Sound, Phil Spector.

  24. She was not a celebrity but became one. The American Amanda Knox.

    In December 2011, it was reported that Knox had secured the services of Washington, DC-based lawyer Robert Barnett in order to negotiate an official book deal.[48] On February 16, 2012, HarperCollins announced that Knox had signed with them to write her memoir in a deal that will pay her $4 million.[49] On November 29, 2012, HarperCollins announced that the memoir will be titled Waiting to be Heard, with an expected release date of April 30, 2013. [50]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Knox

    Craig wrote:

    Meredith Kercher Case
    by craig on Oct 6th 2011 in Uncategorized
    To cut through the enormous wave of rubbish that swept the net for 48 hours about Amanda Knox, I wanted to publish the text of the statement she made to police trying to frame Patrick Lumumba. It is evidence of how appalling the media coverage is that I can’t track down through the gush this […]

    The White Charger Stays In The Stable
    by craig on Dec 7th 2009 in Life
    As a campaigner for liberty, and a sucker for damsels in distress, I was looking to work up a piece in defence of Amanda Knox. Incarceration is a horrible thing. We lock up far, far too many people in the UK. Punishment is necessary in society, but there are innumerable other forms of punishment possible […]

  25. WGAF. This story is another distraction. Olympic/Celebrity tosh.
    Another ‘terror plot’ too, beardies in togas, in the realms of thought crime.
    Freaking BBC tossers. Run the Thatcher obituaries.

  26. Thanks Mary, for that info on NATO’s Jamie Shea.

    Informal summary of session 6 – Managing the balance of freedom and security in a digital world. Swedish Foreign Affairs Symposium.

    OR Eliminating freedom and imposing security on a digital world!

    I think you’re right – the latter is the true purpose of the Internet Freedom for Global Development convention in May. The US State Department also has quite a contingent participating. I’m just surprised there’s only one from our own FCO.

    Sweden’s supposed 200-year-old ‘neutrality’ is much prized by Sweden’s citizens. It’s a pity no one’s told them that their government became a de facto member of NATO without bothering to inform them. Here’s their Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt giving a joint press conference with Anders Rasmussen, NATO Secretary-General in April 2011.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMBCHJNlU6E

  27. For other acronym dense types like me that was WGAF Who Gives A Fuck from Cryptonym and because I like looking things up, a cryptonym is
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_name

    ~~~
    Mr Marcus Beale Asst CC W Mercia police keeps saying another 9/11 or 7/7 was averted. If he had not been so assiduous in his duties and preventing one fron happening, the powers that be could have started another war like the one in Afghanistan.

    ~~~

    The SA court have announced changes in the prosecution. Botha has been replaced. Hearing adjourned. News conference on CH 80. Chaos reigns and now the sound has gone.

  28. Nato strategist Jamie Shea gives chilling insight into military’s media control at times of war
    Gilligan and SheaLondon, May 1, 2009

    A chilling insight into the military mindset — as explained by Nato’s leading media strategist Jamie Shea — provided an unexpected but revealing talking point at UNESCO’s annual world press freedom day debate on the international media’s role at times of war. Shea spoke in support of a motion that “governments at war are winning the battle of controlling the international media” — a motion that carried the day by a majority of more than two to one.
    Set against Shea and his supporters was a powerful line-up of international journalists and media campaigners who argued that local reporters in conflict zones were increasingly managing to provide a reliable alternative service to that offered by the western news media. In addition, an army bloggers and citizen journalists complete with mobile phones and video cameras were mounting a credible fight back against governments and their media allies. But what dominated the opening of the debate (at the Frontline Club, London) was Shea’s brutally frank exposition of how Nato governments were becoming increasingly successful in managing the flow of information from the military to the public.

    Rest at link http://www.spinwatch.org/blogs-mainmenu-29/nicholas-jones-mainmenu-85/5279-nato-strategist-jamie-shea-gives-chilling-insight-into-militarys-media-control-at-times-of-war-

    A quick news search finds him quoted as “NATO representative” in news items going back to at least 1995.

  29. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    21 Feb, 2013 - 3:21 pm

    The cop leading the investigation is accused of murder………..7 murders.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21528631

  30. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    21 Feb, 2013 - 3:29 pm

    “Clearly this was murder. How many burglars hang out in the bathroom – was he supposed to be stealing the toilet paper? If I got up in the middle of the night and found the bathroom occupied, it’s rather likely to be the misses in there, not a burglar.

    Would there be any problem in saying, “You stay where you are until the police arrive – open the door and I’ll fire!””

    Glenn; It seems like Pistorius has a pretty flimsy explanation. Protecting home and hearth does come to the front, in some cases; like these two guys.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/sep/11/stevenmorris

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)

  31. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    21 Feb, 2013 - 3:51 pm

    Anon @ 3:01

    This is not really new, except for the bloggers, who are often treated like nuts and conspiracy theorists. Video, which used to be infallible, is increasingly subject to fraud, but still sometimes gives some traction to an alternative story.

    Walter Cronkite, who is viewed by many as a good journo, offered his services toward the propaganda machine in WWII, as did Ernie Pyle.

    It’s gotten worse, however. The ‘Embedded’ (a proper appellation) Journos during the Iraq war where totally in the tank for the military mission.

    Too often, the Journos are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

  32. jonny 2 jons

    21 Feb, 2013 - 4:12 pm

    And so it goes…..as The Sun spin doctor Higgins arrives Botha gets booted off the case….just like Goncalo Ameral and the vile McCann scam.

  33. Ben,

    I just linked it as it was an interesting story about Jamie Shea who was asked about above. Not arguing it’s a brand new thing :-)

  34. A fence sitting apologia from Greenslade for the Sun and Mohan. We even have to read what Wallis thinks. WGAF:)
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2013/feb/15/sun-oscar-pistorius

    ~~
    Jonny2Jons mentioned Higgins. See how Rebekah Wade as she was then tried to warn Clive Soley off.

    The case of the Sun editor, sexual harassment and a £500,000 payoff

    David Hencke, Westminster correspondent
    The Guardian, Wednesday 12 November 2003 07.41 GMT

    Rupert Murdoch’s company, News International, paid £500,000 to silence allegations of serious sexual harassment against a former editor of the Sun newspaper, a Labour MP claimed yesterday.
    Stuart Higgins was accused of crude and offensive behaviour towards his executive secretary during the time he edited the paper between 1994 and 1998. The Labour MP Clive Soley told parliament that staff on Britain’s biggest-selling daily newspaper had suffered “sexual harassment and bullying”.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/nov/12/uk.pressandpublishing

  35. I’m afraid Sweden’s ‘neutrality’ resembles that of Ireland’s :(

  36. “The media wave yesterday and today is that Pistorius is suddenly vindicated by the inarticulate policeman who could not cope with a very glib defence lawyer.” – Craig

    The “inarticulate policeman” turns out today to have Afrikaans as his first language – not English, in which he was giving evidence.

    “The cop leading the investigation is accused of murder………7 murders.”

    No, Ben, 7 attempted murders. I don’t think anyone died.
    But we know virtually nothing about that incident.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2013/0221/breaking1.html

  37. She was also wearing shorts, despite having an ‘overnight bag’. Which suggests she hadn’t immediately been in bed as Pistorius claims, but had in fact got dressed, presumably to leave. It’s not difficult to imagine that this act of defiance prompted her murder.

  38. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    21 Feb, 2013 - 5:06 pm

    These detectives might eventually be charged with attempted murder, but i doubt it.

    BTW; When I saw this truck on the news I quickly counted 50 bullet holes from my viewpoint on the rear of the truck and cab, not the twenty people heard in the volley.

    COP RIOT? Trigger happy and angry cops looking to off the perp? Botha?

    “A team of Los Angeles police officers protecting the home of a high-ranking officer in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue believed a pickup truck that stopped in front of the house matched Dorner’s blue Nissan Titan. Police opened fire, wounding two women tossing copies of the Los Angeles Times onto porches.

    A neighbor said he heard as many as 20 shots.

    “Tragically, we believe this was a case of mistaken identity by the officers,” LAPD Chief Charlie Beck said.”

    http://tbrnews.com/news/redondo_beach/police-confuse-trucks-for-dorner-s-shoot-at-three-people/article_a4bf7840-71ba-11e2-8abe-0019bb2963f4.html

    No shite, Sherlock.

  39. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    21 Feb, 2013 - 5:14 pm

    Thanks for the clarification, Dreolin

  40. “She was also wearing shorts, despite having an ‘overnight bag’. Which suggests she hadn’t immediately been in bed as Pistorius claims …” — bill

    Pyjamas for young women often have “shorts” as bottoms, rather than full length pants.

  41. “What’s this nonsense about the witness who heard screaming and shouting being declared unreliable, because they were 600 feet away?”

    Glenn, Botha originally said 600 metres. That was later amended to 300 metres. But he admitted that the witness(es) could not identify the voices.

    I think Pistorius was no angel. I think he had a temper and may also have been a bit trigger happy. He liked his guns. I doubt very much if he intended to kill her. I think he was just bloody stupid, in not checking where she was before blasting away at the toilet door.
    And then got the shock of his life.

  42. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    21 Feb, 2013 - 5:48 pm

    In Cronkite’s Bio, it was revealed that Cronkite, the liberal, not only supported Eisenhower in 1952 and and 1956; he worked hard in his job to defeat Adlai Stevenson.

    Greenwald on Press Bedfellows…..

    “A Pew poll found that in the week leading up to the 2012 election, MSNBC did not air a single story critical of the President or a single positive story about Romney – not a single one – even as Fox aired a few negative ones about Romney and a few positive ones about Obama. Meanwhile, Obama campaign aides who appeared on MSNBC were typically treated with greater deference than that shown to the British Queen when one of her most adoring subjects is in her presence for the first time.

    Surveying this assembled data, one does not need to be a veteran cable news executive to see what MSNBC has been so sorely lacking: people who loyally defend President Obama. Thankfully, MSNBC is now boldly fixing that glaring problem; they began two weeks ago with this:

    “Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs has become a contributor for MSNBC. Rachel Maddow introduced Gibbs as a new member of her network’s stable in the final minutes before President Obama’s State of the Union address on Tuesday night. . . . Gibbs was White House press secretary from 2009 to early 2011, when he left to become a senior campaign adviser for Obama’s re-election.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/19/msnbc-axelrod-gibbs-obama

  43. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    21 Feb, 2013 - 9:29 pm

    Mary, in connection with the Pistorius story, writes (13h03) :

    “The girl was beautiful. She would have been a good choice for P. Harry.”

    Was that meant to be funny? Or a bit of social commentary?

  44. Botha’s replacement is a Lt Gen Vinesh Moonoo

    http://www.saps.gov.za/_dynamicModules/internetsite/OPbuildBP3.asp?myURL=86

  45. Ben wrote, “MSNBC did not air a single story critical of the President or a single positive story about Romney – not a single one…

    Might that not simply be because there was nothing positive that could be said about Bishop Romney? ;)

    *

    Habbabkuk wrote, “Was that meant to be funny? Or a bit of social commentary?

    Actually, I thought this was Mary checking that our collective gag reflex was working…

  46. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    21 Feb, 2013 - 10:02 pm

    “Might that not simply be because there was nothing positive that could be said about Bishop Romney? ”

    The White Salamander speaks highly of him , Glenn :)

  47. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    21 Feb, 2013 - 10:04 pm

    @ Glenn :

    Are you the Glenn_uk who was once kind enough to persuade your algo something or other to calculate who posted how many times on a number of threads?

    If so, do you think you could persuade your algo to do the same thing again for, say, the last 6 threads?

  48. @Arbed and Mary – Sweden is not a member of NATO – yet. It has entered into closer and closer cooperation with NATO in the last few years, to the point that some within Sweden think they should just join and get it over with. I don’t know if this is likely to happen, but Swedish neutrality is dead – as I believe Carl Bildt himself said a few years ago. It died quietly and without fanfare sometime between 1990 and the present.

  49. Thanks Theo,

    “but Swedish neutrality is dead – as I believe Carl Bildt himself said a few years ago”

    It would be nice to have a link to the actual quote, if you are able to lay hands on one please.

  50. http://www.nnn.se/nordic/americult/nato/steps.pdf

    13 November [1991]. In a speech in Bonn, Germany, P.M. Bildt declares that “neutrality is dead” as a governing principle of Swedish foreign policy.

  51. @Habbabkuk: Yes, one and the same. And certainly – please find the results below. These are the top 8 for each of the last 6 posts.

    —–start

    Apple 00:53:37 # for i in `ls posts`; do ./auth-count posts/$i |head -8; echo; echo —————; echo; done

    Start count on Israel Grants Oil Rights in Syria to Murdoch and Rothschild

    7 Mary
    7 Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)
    5 lwtc247
    4 Arbed
    3 Dreoilin
    2 glenn

    —————

    Start count on Pistorius

    26 Mary
    5 craig
    5 Venceremos
    5 Habbabkuk (La vita è bella)
    4 crab
    4 John Goss

    —————

    Start count on Smoking Gun For Foreign Office/BBC Propaganda

    18 Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)
    15 craig
    13 Mary
    7 Jim
    7 Anon
    6 N_

    —————

    Start count on That Mitchell & Webb Crook

    36 Mary
    19 KarimovaRevengeFantasist
    11 guano
    11 Ex Pat
    10 doug scorgie
    10 N_

    —————

    Start count on John Bolton’s Fake Applause

    6 Jemand
    5 thatcrab
    3 craig
    3 Tom Welsh
    3 Mary
    3 JimmyGiro

    —————

    Start count on Arrested Development

    17 Mary
    11 Arbed
    6 Villager
    6 Courtenay Barnett
    5 John Goss
    5 Clark

    —————
    Apple 00:53:37 #

    ———end

  52. Whoops… by “the last 8″ I didn’t take into account the title for each and a line break, so you’ve only got the top 6 for each thread :)

  53. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    22 Feb, 2013 - 1:05 am

    Glenn; You play with fire, mate.

  54. @Dreoilin: Re: 600 meters vs 600 feet. I stand corrected, had misheard the report on the news the day before.

    All the same – sound travels a lot further at night, particularly in South Africa, because it’s much cheaper. Unless the witness had totally made it up, or the report been fabricated, it means they were awake and aware of each others’ presence in the house.

    Is it credible that this guy would have woken, thought there was a burglar about the place, got his legs and shooting iron, and set about blasting at the bathroom door (behind which he supposedly thought the burglar was hiding), without even checking for the presence of his misses? Without making sure she was safe first, maybe telling her to call the police – or to hide?

    This scenario sounds implausibly odd. Might this not be more likely: They were in a screaming match, she runs to the one place in where she can lock herself – in the bathroom. After some thumping on the door and still screaming at each other, he fires through the door. She’s pushing her weight against the door to prevent him breaking through it – he knows her exact position.

    Those carbon-fibre springs he uses as lower legs can get up a lot of speed, but they’re not going to provide much strength for heaving the door (not with her pushing back on it), and charging the door requires a distance to run up at it (which he didn’t have). Very frustrating for such a great man, to have a mere woman defeat him in this way.

    *

    Incidentally – it’s a mistake that people generally make, during some major in-house confrontation, to run and lock oneself in the bathroom. If the calculation is that the other person isn’t so desperate as to bust the lock, fair enough. But a violent criminal isn’t going to balk at a flimsy lock. Remember this – the place to make your last stand is the kitchen – the household armoury. There are more than enough weapons immediately to hand, and you can properly tool yourself up within a few seconds.

  55. Ben: I’m not sure why our friend Habbabkuk wants the figures, but is there any harm? It’s only boiling down that which is readily determinable anyway.

  56. Arbed – this was part of a talk by a Swedish journalist, Britt-Marie Mattsson, from memory, so I don’t have the source – and it is possible I have misremembered. Looking at Swedish Wikipedia http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sveriges_utrikespolitik Bildt said in a 2010 statement on foreign policy that Sweden as a member of the EU has a mutual responsibility with other EU lands for security – Sweden will come to the aid of other EU countries in an emergency, as others will be expected to come to Sweden’s aid.

    The wiki article also states that since 2002 Swedish policy aims at remaining outside military alliances but can still cooperate with NATO, the UN and other EU countries against “threats to peace and security”. So they seem to be having their cake and eating it, officially non-aligned but still cooperating with NATO and others.

    At any rate, one of Mattsson’s main points was that the fundamental principle of Swedish foreign policy since WW2 – neutrality – had been abandoned without any public debate.

  57. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    22 Feb, 2013 - 8:29 am

    @ Ben Franklin (01h05) and @ Glenn’s response (01h38) :

    Thank you very much, Glenn.

    Yes, I can’t see the harm either.

    I wonder if we’re coming to a situation where not only is one not allowed to disagree with the prevailing orthodoxies but also one is not even allowed to know which of the Eminences has posted how often and where….

    I also wonder (but not too much) what Ben could have meant with that slightly minatory “Glenn, you’re playing with fire, mate” ?

  58. Exactly, well said Craig. Her should rightly go to prison for this murder and he will get off. Discrediting of the leading police officer, for an unrelated incident, when this must have been known before he was assigned this case, stinks of behind the scene machinations.

    I think that the last great white hope for SA will be bailed and get away with murdering his wife, his anger problems and previous shooting incidents will not matter much.
    Roll up the wagons and form a circle….

  59. Unbelievably I heard that they were using the example of Julian Assange taking refuge in the embassy as a reason not to grant bail to Pistorius.

    The court decision will be made 12.30pm our time.

  60. Decision made, and in keeping with Establishment traditions of respect for hyper-competitive success and celebrity fame.

    Nevermind, she was not his wife which makes it all the more likely this was rage and murder. Practiced couples will work out some kind of conflict resolution mechanics. But these heavy “in-love” relationships can be very ego-sensitive and result in extreme volatility and rage. This seems to me to be the ‘human’ context here.

  61. Ben, i sense that Glenn lives in a world of psychological freedom. Nothing wrong with that, that’s good! We need more of that.

    Glenn, glad that ZOOKD detected that i’m still alive and kickin’

    Stay well, all

  62. The following is an example of just how poor a taste some people have when it comes to their supposed sense of “humour”:


    —-
    Surely Oscar Pistorius can’t be the first bloke to wake up legless on Valentine’s Day and shoot a load into his girlfriend’s face while he was imagining she was someone else?
    —-

    I’m fully confident nobody here would see anything amusing in that.

  63. Glenn (‘The Count’) : “I’m fully confident nobody here would see anything amusing in that.”

    Right you are. Humour has it’s place – but not on this blog.

  64. Pistorius must live with conscience, Steenkamp father says
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21558901

    Mr Steenkamp says only Oscar Pistorius and God know what really happened

    South African athlete Oscar Pistorius “will have to live with his conscience” over the killing of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp, her father has said.

    Barry Steenkamp was speaking a day after the Paralympic champion was freed on bail pending his trial.

    Mr Pistorius, 26, admits shooting Ms Steenkamp, 29, but denies murder, saying he mistook her for an intruder.

    “If it didn’t happen the way he says it did he must suffer and he will suffer,” her father told Beeld newspaper.

    “It does not matter how much money he has and how good his legal team is, he will have to live with his conscience,” Mr Steenkamp said.

    “But if he speaks the truth, I can perhaps some day forgive him,” he added.

    /..
    Pistorius bail conditions
    Must hand over 1 million rand: 100,000 rand in cash up front, and proof that the rest is available
    Must turn in passports and any guns that he owns
    Cannot leave Pretoria without permission from probation officer, nor can he return to his home
    Forbidden to take drugs or drink alcohol
    Must report to police station between 07:00 and 13:00 every Monday and Friday

  65. Now the Pistorius brother is on a charge of causing the death of a woman by dangerous driving in 2010. It is now 2013? Why the delay?

    ‘The charges against Carl Pistorius over an accident involving his car in which a woman on a motorcycle died date back to 2010 but have only just emerged, local media reports say.

    They were confirmed to the BBC by Pistorius family lawyer Kenneth Oldwage.’

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21563911

    The wheels of justice in SA do grind exceedingly slowly and strangely.

  66. To refresh everyone’s memories and in resposne to Arbed’s question, Jamie Shea, characterised in the media at the time as “a Londoner” (at which point, one haf-expected him to break into song) was on TV a lot, as the spokesman for NATO, during the wars in the former Yugoslavia, specifically the bombing of Serbia during the Kosovo conflict of 1999.

    Interesting, that these people often seem to have affectionate nicknames like ‘Rummy’ (for Donald Rumsfeld), ‘Condy’ (for Condoleeza Rice) and so on. PR, hard at work. Think of the head of MI6 in his Speedos. It humanises the prosecution of mass killing.

  67. Hey Suhayl – good to see you’re still around! Shame we don’t see so much of you these days, I imagine you’re keeping yourself busy. Entirely off-topic (which is probably OK given the age of this thread), but given our shared fondness for stringed instruments, perhaps you’d like to hear a small sample of this album from a mate over in the US:

    http://sokoguitar.com/

    Take care, hope all is well.

  68. Reeva Steenkamp was pregnant?

    “In what could potentially be the biggest bombshell to date in the Oscar Pistorius murder case, sources who are reportedly close to the investigation have alleged that the South African sprinter’s girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp, is believed to have been pregnant at the time of her death.”

    http://www.ibtimes.com/reeva-steenkamp-may-have-been-pregnant-time-her-death-alleges-national-enquirer-1103126

  69. The PR firm who act for Pistorius have said that the substance found in his bedroom was Testis Compositum which he took for ‘muscle recovery’. Details herewith!

    http://www.homotoxicology.net/matmed/combo/Ind4lgrh.htm

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