220 People Attend David Cameron “Rally for the Union”.

by craig on July 3, 2014 8:15 pm in Uncategorized

According to staff at the Dewar’s Centre in Perth – capacity 1,000 - the attendance at David Cameron’s “Rally for the Union” today was just 220. Even the ultra-Tory Dundee Courier only claimed 300.

That the Prime Minister of the UK cannot fill a hall, at least to not embarrassingly empty, at an event billed as a “rally” to “save” his country, at which he stated that to lose the referendum would “break his heart”, is astonishing.

Even more astonishing is the body language of his supporters. Look at the faces behind him in this BBC video. Have you ever seen a body of people look less enthusiastic about anything? Had they been instructed that they must at all costs look sullen and unpleasant? What on earth can be the explanation?

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  1. Are you sure these attendees are actually from the area?

    For all we know they could have been bussed up from down south (various conservative back offices). I don’t trust these upright rodents one iota, hence best get on with identifying the faces in the crowd, to verify their bonafide.

  2. I am waiting for the tweets to start “evil cybernat bullies crowd at enthusiastic Cameron event”.

  3. ‘What on earth can be the explanation?’

    Were they promised there would be biscuits?

    Perhaps they read about the lavish conservative fund raiser in London
    and were wondering why they hadn’t been given a slap up meal in a fancy
    restaurant.

  4. Daye Tucker

    3 Jul, 2014 - 8:42 pm

    I immediately recognised 2 of them and those 2 were indeed from Perthshire.

  5. I can’t believe he was at his party fundraiser in London last night and manages to get up to Scotland to make speeches. What’s his diet? The man is superhuman!

    The Sky version.

    Patriotic Scots Can Vote No To Split, Says PM
    Critics brand David Cameron is out of touch as he argues voters do not have to “choose between the Saltire and the Union flag”.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1294484/patriotic-scots-can-vote-no-to-split-says-pm

    They have comments on their articles now. The ones on this piece are very strange.

  6. No mention from the ultra loyal BBC that he was talking to an empty hall… and doubtless the reason the audience was behind him, and he was speaking in the opposite direction is that a crowd scene would have been embarrassing.

    Perhaps one of Stuart’s ‘alert readers’ has sneaked in … and a photo will be available.

    A silent majority of 220, huh… for the prime minister?

    Humiliating.

  7. Whether Cameron can fill a hall seems irrelevant to the general point here.

    £100 that Scots vote No.

    Will you take it?

  8. “A silent majority of 220, huh… for the prime minister? Humiliating.”

    The point is that a majority of voting Scots will vote No in September. Nat Scots can fill venues and dominate social media because they offer something radical and have a fanatical following that will attend rallies. They can summon a flash mob in an instant, as recently demonstrated during Nigel Farage’s visit to Edingburgh, but that ability shouldn’t be construed as popular support for a Yes vote, which is why I make my offer of £100 to Craig today.

  9. Would it be a correct assumption to suggest that Ms Daye Tucker will be voting No?

    http://www.scottishlandandestates.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=66&Itemid=98

  10. Funny that Daye Tucker I didn’t recognise a single one and I live in the centre of Perth, about 1/2 a mile down the road from the Dewar’s Centre?

  11. Andrew Leslie

    3 Jul, 2014 - 9:39 pm

    He’s not very brave is he? This week’s visit to Scotland talking to a bunch of Tory activists, not looking very active but unlikely to tell him he’s talking mince. Last week it was Armed Forces Day in Stirling so no opposition there to his speech.The week before that , talking to soldiers (TA?) in Glasgow followed by a visit to a school.
    We see the pattern–never engage with anyone who might disagree with him. Pathetic.

  12. Iain Macmillan

    Aaah, I think you have to peer into the windows of Range Rovers as they drive past!

  13. If Cameron wanted a massive crowd of enthusiastic unionists he should have brought some doe-eyed virgin boys in fairy costumes.

  14. Mary

    Not necessarily a fair assumption – there are plenty of farmers who support independence, not least because they would be very silly to want to leave the EU with England.

  15. Craig.

    I can’t imagine many of them actually venture into Perth city centre tbh. They might have to mix with the proles.

  16. Mary

    http://www.farming4yes.com/ Although the organisation you’ve linked to will be pretty solidly against a Yes as they tend to represent, shall we say ‘larger’ concerns

  17. Well Anon (9.20), that’s an interesting theory, and one in which I can see some merit and logic.

    But you’d think that for publicity reasons they would have managed to get out more than 20% of a hall for the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. I mean he’s not just anyone. He’s not boring old opposition part-time backbencher Darling, or Blair MacDougall functionary, or even just Jo Lamont.

    He is the Great British leader of the ‘silent majority’ of Scots who prefer to think of themselves as British. He’s Eton and Oxford. He’s related to the Queen.

    I still say 220 is an embarrassment in his own country.

  18. Dave sounding like Ian Duncan Smith with his quiet man theme…..

  19. Anon

    Certainly I will take your bet. Although I don’t normally drink, gamble or sleep with bad women. At least not simultaneously.

  20. It does seem that the so called Prime Minister of the “UK” can not have more than 220 people supporting his “Union” is bizarre to say the least
    Where are all these #NO voters
    How many of these people were his entourage

    His comment “It will break my heart”
    Well Mr cameron it will break our country if we stay we simply cannot afford to stay

    BUT i wish you well

  21. His audience doesn’t look like they’ve just heard good news, do they?

    Why only some of them with boards? Were they all offered boards? Did some refuse? Were they all actually tories, or did some of their pals from labour or libdem help bolster the numbers?

    Desperate promises of bribery. Smacks of panic.

  22. so called Prime Minister of the “UK” can not have more than 220 people supporting his “Union” is bizarre

    Even more bizarre is the notion of “democratic elections” in which a minority (those voting for whichever winning side) from among a minority (those whom bother to play the game of lets tick the box, the only interactive component of the aforementioned “democratic process”) supposedly give a “mandate” to one of the outfits that are purportedly to guide and guard the interest of the “we the people”, for a considerable time.

    When Saddam managed to get 95% of the vote, everyone laughed at him, when these chaps get into office based on 20% of the votes everyone hails the triumph of democracy and blame the lazy bastards whom never bothered to turn up and vote! Further, when two million people march on the streets of London protesting the warmongers wet dreams, all the stenographers are tasked with bombarding the airwaves with; “strong leader not changing hie/her decision”, although the same gaggle of free loading stenographers (lets face it reading an Autocue is not too difficult) then flock to make fun of “dear leader” in DPRK.

    Craig,

    I don’t normally drink, gamble or sleep with bad women. At least not simultaneously.

    If you manage to find a solution to the curse of linearity, ensure to release it under the GNU license terms so that none of the scoundrels can claim prior art.

  23. “I don’t normally drink, gamble or sleep with bad women. At least not simultaneously”

    I take it you’ve never met Victoria Coren then.

  24. Agreed then, Craig.

    Fortunately I have caught you drinking and gambling at the same time. :-)

  25. Craig,

    You are speaking about Scottish freedom – let me remind you:-

    THE BLACK AMERICAN, FREDRICK DOUGLAS, FREEDOM FIGHTER HAD THIS TO SAY SOME 150 YEARS AGO:-

    “What, to the American slave, is your 4th of July? I answer; a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; y our national greatness, swelling vanity; your sound of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciation of tyrants brass fronted impudence; your shout of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanks-givings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are to him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy — a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of the United States, at this very hour.”
    What does “American Independence” really mean?
    1. Does it mean the freedom for US imperialism to destabilize nations, murder millions, and force the world into its political and economic sphere of influence?
    2. Does it mean the independence for US imperialism to imprison the largest number of (mostly Black) people in the world?
    3. Is “liberty” defined by the US imperialist system’s centuries-long colonization of Native and Black America, now taking form in the privatization of entire cities like Black Detroit?
    Or – all the above?
    CB

  26. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    4 Jul, 2014 - 1:19 am

    Prescient and intuitive thoughts, Courtenay.

    It took 100 years for the 14th amendment to take effect in the US. Even after countless deaths from Civil War. Freedom is not free.

  27. ________¸.·´`·.¸¸¸A.Node

    4 Jul, 2014 - 1:27 am

    Imagine the dilemma of the camera director.

    “Camera 2, zoom in closer, cut out those empty seats in the auditorium” …. “Oh no, zoom out again, don’t show those sour faces” …. “Oh, God, the place is nearly empty … Close-up on Cameron” …. “Aargh, face like a cabbage patch doll, quick, pan” …. “No, not those faces again, ah fuck it, I’m off down the pub”

  28. Anon,

    I actually just feel sorry for your cocksucking slavedom to whosoever pays ya.

    Now and again i get a glimpse that you’re a smart cat.

    I cant imagine what you must’ve done to be enslaved to such an idiot narrative?

    Kinda like Habba too…smart cats that have to do a job that y’all know is a crock of shit..

  29. Why is Prime Minister David Cameron using the phrase ‘Silent Majority’?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28135335

    Agent Cameron is using a phrase that Nixon used

    ‘He’s doomed’ as Private Frazer used to say in Dad’s Army.

    David Cameron
    Strathclyde University politics professor John Curtice believes the prime minister’s use of the phrase is an “implicit recognition” that “No” supporters are less likely to take part in the referendum campaign, in comparison to a highly visible and passionate “Yes” side.

    He said: “‘No’ supporters are much less active in terms of campaigning, going on the web, and knocking on doors.

    “They are ‘silent’, relatively speaking, in comparison to the ‘Yes’ side.”

    But why would this be – do “No” supporters not believe in the Union as much as “Yes” supporters believe in independence?

    Prof Curtice said: “The ‘Yes’ side are so passionate because they have probably believed in independence for their whole lives, whereas the ‘No’ side probably wish the referendum wasn’t happening.

    “They might be less enthusiastic campaigners, but that’s not to say they’re less likely to vote.”‘

  30. BrianFujisan

    4 Jul, 2014 - 2:40 am

    A Node

    Brilliant What a Laugh… but is there something sinister going on there…. No public..dour faces.

    Mary Great points

    Craig great post… Doing the rounds on Fbook…

    Hope John is ok

  31. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    4 Jul, 2014 - 2:54 am

    “I actually just feel sorry for your”

    You are a sick little man, Jives. You are just like Hab, except that he attempts to make a behaviorally disadvantaged form of contact.
    You seem to eschew any human emotion, save anger and antipathy. Get some help, dude. You are on the verge of doing something to yourself or someone else.

  32. YouKnowMyName

    4 Jul, 2014 - 5:49 am

    From today’s DailMail

    ‘They will be picking up David’s balls and then give them to Nick Clegg, who hasn’t got any,’ Mr Swire is said to have joked.
    Mrs Лубов Chernukhin’s lawyers, Carter Ruck, released a statement to the Guardian newspaper confirming her purchase of the lot.

    (A tennis match that ‘call me Dave’ has sold to mates of Putin, allegedly!)

  33. Craig, you’ve been mugged. You sell yourself short. Evens?! You can get 9/2 on the high street.

  34. Phil

    Being given 100 instead of being given 450 is not being mugged! It’s just not taking advantage of someone.

  35. Not exactly Nürnberg is it ?
    Dave is now beginning to resemble Del Boy but without the charm.

  36. They probably bused in a bunch of homeless people on the promise of free food. Then didn’t give them any food. I hate on these Tories.

  37. Couple of comments I have received by SMS:

    “Maybe they are all on zero hours contracts and have been told that’s it for July.”

    “They look like Gerard Depardieu hearing that lunch is off”

  38. Just watched the video. The reverberating quality of Cameron’s voice betrays an empty cavern.

  39. The girl with the long hair behind Dave’s left was immobile. Perhaps the extras thought that they were playing Grandmother’s Footsteps and should not be seen to move if Dave playing ‘It’ turned round. Like a lot of dummies holding those boards too. Wonder if there was any clapping at the end.

    Dave has some very bad advisers and backroom boys and girls but maybe they find it hard to keep up.

  40. Especially for Dave to cheer him up for the weekend. He should relax, stop the jetting round the globe and spend some time with his family. He is missing his children growing up and will regret that in later years as many other men have found out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdOCWUgwiWs&feature=kp

    PS I know it’s a different union but the words are apt.

  41. Goodness, they do look glum! I wonder if the reason is that London party chiefs wouldn’t listen to local activists about the planning or timing of this event, because Cameron’s timetable was given priority, and therefore it turned into a fiasco.

  42. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    4 Jul, 2014 - 9:13 am

    Heard a clip of Cameron preaching to that lot on R4. (Always a good idea to listen to the sermon without looking at the pictures. Tells you a lot more about the speaker.) Sounded like it had been based on Henry V’s Agincourt number, avoided any substantive issues and rehearsed for hours in front of the mirror, with Sam clapping dutifully at the bits marked ‘Applause’. Roughly what you’d expect from someone whose transient career in PR had ended ignominiously in politics, then. Oh, and there were a couple of glo”al stops thrown in to indicate Scotch demotic, the effect of which was lessened by his immediate reversion to slightly common Etonian – all consonants returning.

    No wonder he can’t pull a crowd.

  43. Cameron clocks up some considerable mileage. On the same morning (3rd July), he was visiting my local train depot at Long Rock near Penzance in West Cornwall. He apparently left by helicopter no doubt paid for by us plebs.

  44. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    4 Jul, 2014 - 9:50 am

    You haven’t been following the Travels of Turdney Blair, have you? This week, Aspen, Colorado: Cartagena, Colombia; and back home for drinks in London. Bodyguard paid for by us. Private jet paid for by god knows.

    Cameron’s an amateur, and he needs more practice if he is to convert his premiership into a nice little big sinecure for the rest of his life. Though to be fair, Eton may have given him a better idea of what constitutes unacceptable bad taste than Fettes did Blair…

  45. Donny Darko. 6 47am

    “Not exactly Nürnberg is it ?”

    You are clearly fooled by Uncle Craig’s amateur efforts with photoshop.

    Here’s what the event really looked like.

    BTW. Who’s the guy standing on Cameron’s left?

  46. ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    4 Jul, 2014 - 1:11 pm

    Talking of the Union, here’s a picture for Ben on US Successful Terrorist Day-

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/George_III_Zoffany.jpg/220px-George_III_Zoffany.jpg

    Happy 4th July!

  47. Andrew Parrott

    4 Jul, 2014 - 5:27 pm

    Unless she has changed her mind recently Daye Tucker is very much a YES voter. She spoke at a YES meeting in Pitlochry earlier this year.

  48. DavidFromScotland

    4 Jul, 2014 - 7:12 pm

    Hi, I’m a Tory and I went to the meeting in Perth yesterday. I wasn’t involved in the organisation of the event at all and I didn’t know all the people there, but I certainly enjoyed meeting up with a lot of well-kent faces from around Perth. A number of my friends weren’t there because of work commitments or holidays. There certainly were no buses in the car park and there didn’t seem to be anyone from the Lib-Dems or Labour attending. Everybody carrying a placard seemed to be happy to do so and nobody was forced to carry one. There were a small number of protesters at the entrance, who were politely protesting about NHS privatisation. I enjoyed a free cup of tea beforehand, but I did leave a donation.
    To be honest, I have heard better speeches, but I did enjoy the “Alex the Unready” gag. IMHO, it would be better to talk about the “Quieter Majority” rather than the “Silent Majority”. We do admire the Yes campaign’s passion and commitment to their cause and both sides clearly only wish the best for Scotland. It’s just we feel our case is stronger and we’re happy to be ahead in the polls.

    Love and Kisses

    David

  49. Andrew

    Thanks – I thought so somehow.

    David

    Thanks too. You are very welcome here.

  50. Scotland: For Richer or Poorer?

    Next Monday BBC2 9pm
    Duration: 1 hour

    In September 2014, Scotland’s people face a momentous choice: should they remain part of the United Kingdom, or opt for independence? As the debate hots up, Robert Peston asks the big question which is at the heart of it: would Scotland be richer or poorer as an independent nation?

    It is a journey which takes him from oil platforms in the North Sea, to the Shetland folk festival, and the high-tech industries of Dundee. He discovers that although money matters, it isn’t the be all and end all. For many, just as important is what kind of nation Scotland wants to be.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b049b89z

  51. “For many, just as important is what kind of nation Scotland wants to be.”

    Which is why many of us have concerns over the Scottish governments moves to arm the police. Not armed response teams with weapons locked in the boots of their cars, not police in sensitive locations, here in the Highlands we now have police routinely patrolling the streets of our towns with hand guns on their belts.

  52. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    4 Jul, 2014 - 9:53 pm

    “here in the Highlands we now have police routinely patrolling the streets of our towns with hand guns on their belts.”

    Not a good sign. In the US each cop car is equipped with M-5′s and 12-gauge shotguns. Many instances of ‘trigger happy’ cops who used to think of public safety first. Now they are shooting first and asking questions later, just to keep their pubic servant asses safe.

  53. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    4 Jul, 2014 - 9:58 pm

    The US citizenry is very well-armed as you know, and it’s not without cause. The UK has such proscriptive laws on firearms, it seems quite unnecessary. I don’t intend to stand by while my loved ones are mowed down by cops or criminals. It seems irresponsible.

  54. “The US citizenry is very well-armed as you know, and it’s not without cause. The UK has such proscriptive laws on firearms, it seems quite unnecessary. I don’t intend to stand by while my loved ones are mowed down by cops or criminals. It seems irresponsible.”

    Plus we have one of the lowest crime rates in Britain.

  55. If they were Scottish Conservative party members and potential candidates they’d know being seen with David Cameron could only harm their party’s vote in Scotland – and that every time he speaks against independence it frames it as Tories or independence – and given that choice it’s likely to swing a few undecided voters towards a Yes vote.

  56. Hadn’t realised that Fred – i googled it and found this BBC report confirming it. Seems wrong that this change was made without any vote in the Scottish parliament.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-27492909

  57. DavidFromScotland

    4 Jul, 2014 - 11:54 pm

    Thanks Craig for your welcome to your Web-Site.

    It surely must be interesting to a neutral observer, if there is such a person in Scotland today, to note that none of the comments on this page relate to the content of David Cameron’s speech. No witty ripostes to his points about the Pound, financial stability, defence, the BBC and the myriad ways we all benefit from the Union. This is a pity as everyone in a democracy gains from robust intellectual debate.

    @everyone who is discussing firearms. When Mrs Thatcher came to visit Perth in 1988, the cops were clearly armed with sub-machine guns, our cars had to be parked over a mile away and we were all searched before entering the building. This was only 4 years after the Brighton Bombing. Yesterday, we could park where we wanted, there were no obviously armed police and no searches were conducted. Perhaps we have entered into a less violent era.

  58. ‘Perhaps we have entered into a less violent era.’

    Oh sure! Look around.

  59. There have been many cases where Better Together campaigners have pulled out of debates and events. This is, apparently, due to them having full time jobs and not always being able to get the time off. I’ll ignore the implication that Yes supporters are less likely to be bound by work constraints for a moment. I would suggest that maybe all the loyal supporters for the union are so apathetic and happy to expect misery they cant even rally the motivation to support their own beliefs. Lets hope that that apathy stays with them and they can’t be bothered voting come September 18th for fear a happy, friendly Yes voter flashes them a cybernat smile!

  60. DavidFromScotland, 11:54 pm:

    “Yesterday, we could park where we wanted, there were no obviously armed police and no searches were conducted”

    I wish it was like that in London.
    .

  61. Now the Presidents of the Royal Society, the British Academy, and the Academy of Medical Research have apparently been dragooned into writing The Times, claiming that funding of research risks being hurt if the Yes vote succeeds, and there should be a discussion to mobilize the silent majority against it.

    Wonder if they had any discussions with their members before making the pronouncements,

    Looks like the UK establishment is panicked over the No vote failing.

  62. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin )

    5 Jul, 2014 - 2:58 pm

    The US citizenry is very well-armed as you know, and it’s not without cause. The UK has such proscriptive laws on firearms, it seems quite unnecessary.

    That cause you speak of – wasn’t it so the citizenry had some means of opposing an unjust government? Though it seems a little out of date considering the overwhelming superiority over the citizenry in arms and training enjoyed by the US forces.

  63. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    5 Jul, 2014 - 6:58 pm

    “Well regulated Militia..” is the push behind an armed citizenry, Ba’al. It’s interpretation is bandied about, but the idea that government should fear the People, rather than the reverse, is the impetus behind the declared paranoia. I call it awareness, as my paranoia has served me well in many instances.

  64. The ‘vote’ for scottish independence, looks no different than the feminist message for women to exclusively decide the union of marriage:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBL7NlwpRWc

  65. I agree with David that robust debate is important and would be good for everyone voting. One of the things I’ve admired about the Yes part of the blogosphere is that it has switched on a level of political engagement that is missing from most people’s experience of political discourse. Suddenly, ordinary people are knocking on doors, handing out leaflets, feeling energised, going to meetings and debates, feeling like they can make a real difference.

    I’m on record here as being in favour of independence, even though I don’t live in Scotland and I can’t vote. I think the centre of Scottish political is more charitably-minded than it is in London, if not exactly Left, and thus I think they will resist privatisation in health and education in a way that England sadly will not (yet, at least).

    However, I’ve been thinking about what will happen after the vote. In the last few weeks I’ve become more hopeful of a Yes vote (and the bookies’ odds earlier look good) but, of course, the No vote may yet prevail. It will be decided by the large block of ‘undecideds’. If No wins, how shall the Yes/progressive voices respond? Of course in the short term, they could make use of the new powers promised by the Westminster parties, if they materialise – that would be a small positive result. But they need to steel themselves for bad news, else a good chunk of the left will be so dispirited it could drop out of politics altogether. The level of engagement of progressive voices is great, and it is important not to lose that, even if Scotland does not become independent.

  66. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    7 Jul, 2014 - 4:19 pm

    here in the Highlands we now have police routinely patrolling the streets of our towns with hand guns on their belts.

    Wonder what the good folk of Dunblane think about that.

  67. I think the thought behind keeping the U.S. citizenry armed is that, if the government becomes tyrannical and citizens start attacking government forces with small arms, some of the government forces will come over to the rebel side with heavier arms.

  68. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    8 Jul, 2014 - 9:31 am

    So a US Spring is assured by the Constitution, eh? I guess the Southern Baptists will have to be the Sunnis in that scenario…thanks, Lysias :-)

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