Just when you thought that nothing could be more sickening than the revelation that the mad Mahdi Blair was godfather to the baptism of Murdoch’s daughter in the River Jordan…
Kudos to the Daily Mail for outing BP’s Mark Allen as the MI6 man who wrote the sickeningly jaunty message to Gadaffi henchman Moussa Koussa on the rendition to terrible torture of a Libyan dissident and his wife and family. Lest we forget, this is the message:
I congratulate you on the safe arrival of Abu Abd Allah Sadiq. This is the least we could do for you and for Libya to demonstrate the remarkable relationship we have built over recent years
Allen then moved seamlessly from MI6 to a £200,000 pa job at BP working on their relationships with Gadaffi and other Arab dictators. We can only hope that one day Egypt emerges from military government to democracy and its security files too are opened. But I am willing to bet that MI6 and CIA shredders have been put in to Cairo government offices and will be working ceaselessly for the next few days. Expect the odd fire too.
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No disrespect Crab but just came across this on Medialens.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/climate-change-sees-giant-crabs-invade-the-antarctic-2350959.html
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Real science fiction horror but real. Enough to make one hide under the duvet. One metre across!!!
Jack Straw is implicated in torture and so is David milliband, but in their locality these issues are not aired much. Feel free to either contact
Ian singleton editor of the Lancashire Telegraph and ask how long his allegiances to jack Straw will last, what hold has Jack got on the telegraph.
Or you might want to contact Ummah channel Blackburn and raise the questions as to why Muslims in Blackburn are not told about their MP’s connections to torturing Muslims, as it was made clear at the last GE by Independent candidate Bushra Irfan.
Concentrating on Maha Moussa’s treatment alone and the nasty british army will not do anymore.
Finally there is the creature called Tom Mosely, he is feeding out of Jacks hands and will do his best to divert, deconstruct or hide anything that deflects negatively on Jack.
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And RIP Baha Mousa, Clark, as the final report into his torture and death is due out later.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14825889
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PS Where is Suhayl?
Highly intelligent crabs, too. Says the report:
“A team led by Dr Craig Smith from the University of Hawaii at Manoa found the crabs using a remotely operated submersible. “
The Baha Mousa inquiry has cleared the army of ‘systematic’ abuse. It’s like an earlier report clearing a police force of ‘institutional’ racism. We’re left to speculate on the meaning of these terms. Is Mousa inquiry telling us that abuse of prisoners is not widespread? If so, why not say so – or is it very widespread but not officially sanctioned and therefore not ‘systematic’? Clearly, we are to accept that if it’s not ‘systematic’ then it’s ok, so a definition would be welcome.
Crab, good to see you here again.
Vronsky, thanks for making me laugh.
Mary, I don’t know, I’ll send Suhayl and e-mail.
Vronsky Another illustration of ‘they can do nothing wrong’ here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14833620
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The Metropolitan Police acted lawfully when they “kettled” three teenagers during the tuition fee protests in London, the High Court has ruled.
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Any bets on the outcome of the IPCC inquiry into Mark Duggan’s killing?
To Anno and Clark both.
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Said Anno, above:
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> You may well laugh
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> Laugh as much as you like, carry on, I don’t mind.
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> What you lot constantly ignore, because it does not affect you
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> I have contributed long enough to this blog to know that no-one ever comments
> on the vicissitudes of trying to practice Islam.
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> I know you lot don’t give a damn. Laugh yourselves senseless for all I care.
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> I know for a fact that my comments on the sufferings of ordinary Muslims will be ignored on this site
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> Go on, Have a good laugh at our expense.
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Anno: You are determined to paint everyone here as unfeeling, uncaring, and unknowing about the plight of Muslims in foreign lands, and about the threat of surveillance and suspicion against Muslims in Britain. That is utter tripe, especially given that I spent a lot of effort on the other thread (Was Burnes Right?) showing you that liberals and leftists and others do, in the main, care about these things a great deal. You have employed your usual modus operandi of ignoring my points completely and repeating your baseless arguments on each successive thread.
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On the one hand, this is extremely tiresome. You appear to be doing your level best to alienate people who genuinely feel empathy for your views. But I don’t, on the other hand, want to be too hard on you, since you have had your share of life’s difficulties, and you additionally feel the pain of your religious brothers and sisters in foreign lands, which is commendable. As trite as it sounds, I empathise with your discomfort and pain. The same things are making us angry.
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> These crimes and thought crimes, although not felt by you, are perpetrated by
> your governments in your name.
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The government in power in Britain is also your government, Anno. You live in Birmingham, so they are your government as much as they are mine. You are, after all, a British citizen, right? (Or, at any rate, a British subject, like us all!)
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> This is the ‘divide and rule’ strategy the West has unleashed on Islam. Devised
> by Zionists specifically to attack the unity of Islam. Even Birmingham boasts a
> handful of mosques where the majority of Muslims, maybe one million, are regarded
> as non-brothers and non-sisters, outsiders to Islam.
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That sounds like a sectarian problem solely within an Islamic community. I’d invite you to consider that not all problems can be blamed on “Zionists” or “the West”, as much as I hate the policies of both. The Catholics and the Church of England all have their own internal strife, say on female priests, or gay vicars, or whatever.
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@Clark, I agree with you about Islamophobia – Anno experiences it, and you and I condemn it. I mentioned on the other thread that I have gone to Birmingham rallies to condemn it, or to combat the threat of English fascism. Perhaps I will see Anno at such a demo in the future.
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But I think it is important for us not to give too much space to Anno’s stated view that commenters on this board all hate Islam, or don’t care about suffering in Iraq, Libya, Palestine, Afghanistan and Egypt. I don’t know what prompts him to repeat these things ad nauseum, without proof of any kind, but ultimately I feel a responsibility to correct it. For the small part, it is offensive to those of us who do care, but for the main part, Anno is left with an isolating view that no-one sees the problems that he does. In fact – as many of us know – most of the ordinary people of the world condemn violence and suffering of all kinds. Even though their voices, like ours, are rarely heeded by the controlling political elite, there is at least some psychological reassurance we can all take from that knowledge.
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Anno: I hope in time to persuade you of the above. In the meantime, when people here, like Clark or Mary or Vronsky or KingOfWelshNoir say they are angry or disgusted about a particular military action, try considering the possibility that they say what they feel. Like meditation, sometimes just “entertaining” an idea that you find initially ridiculous, and thinking upon it for a while, can make it more palatable to the mind.
Ha Vronsky, I had to parse that sentence a few times over at the Indie to see what they meant!
Jon, as usual your reply misunderstands and ignores completely what I have actually written. I recently saw a Masonic compasses symbol synthesised with the peace symbol of a broken rifle, shown on satellite Iraqi T.V. as a symbol of Iraqi reconstruction.
What more evidence does one need that the Iraqi war was fought at the behest of Zionists to redraw the map of the Middle East to suit their ends?
Let me explain in words of one syllable what I mean.
The Chosen people the Jews were cursed by Allah for not obeying the laws of their religion. Jesus pbuh said that the leaders betrayed their followers. ‘They had to key to Heaven, but they did not enter in themselves and they prevented others from entering in.’
The Jews know the reasons for their losing their position as custodians of God’s religion of Tawheed, God’s Oneness, and they have created conditions in the Muslim world which will lead the Muslims to the same deviations and to suffering the same loss of God’s pleasure.
The secular West that is indifferent to Islam, like Jon, has been hijacked by Zionists banking economic power, by financial blackmail, to attack Islam. By war, by persecution, by infiltration and by media.
We know you are not against Islam yourself, but you do not seem able to comprehend that our government has many active strategies against Islam.
They broke religious Christianity, then secular Communism. Now they are breaking religious Islam and NEXT they will break secular conscience as well.
We Muslims are suffering now, but your turn, people of integrity who question the dealings of our political masters, is still to come.
Anno, I am quite saddened that I can quote from you at length, and you carry on to say that I have “[ignored] completely what I have actually written”. I haven’t at all, as readers will observe on this thread and on the other one.
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I am somewhat mollified to see however you have used the phrase “our government”. In your penultimate post you implied a blame for liberals who permit or acquiesce to state violence; now at least you can see that what is done by our government is not done in your name, nor mine. Neither of us have given our blessing for the violences we discuss here.
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> but you do not seem able to comprehend that our government
> has many active strategies against Islam.
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You’re quite right; in fact, I disagree with the statement. The British government has no particular view on Islam, except as a propaganda vehicle for maintaining a vicious security state. Money and power are the reasons for the violence, as you and I have both said before.
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> Let me explain in words of one syllable what I mean.
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If you are of the view that I am unsympathetic to your views, why would you be openly rude and patronising towards me? Is that a good strategy, do you think? Would you similarly abuse the ordinary man in a British street, who is a good deal more susceptible in general to Islamophobia than I am?
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must be lovely to be able to block everything you don’t agree with, Jon
Third time lucky:
‘The British government has no particular view on Islam.
Ha ha ha ha ha. I know brummies specialise in taking no notice, but you seem to take that to the extreme, Ha ha ha ha.
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Amen.
“The British government has no particular view on Islam.”
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A particular case of a general theorem, as they say. The British government has no particular view on *anything*. Its sole preoccupation is its own survival – its behaviour is amoebic.
Anno, please do not be rude to Jon. He disagrees with you, but he is not rude to you.
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Anno, islamophobia is endemic. I remember experiencing it myself. When I started secondary school, it was a boys state grammar, but it soon began conversion to a comprehensive; as I entered my third year there, the first year intake included girls. One girl was so strange that she seemed almost alien. I will not assign any religion to a child, but she was of a Muslim family.
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I had met people of Asian descent before. One friend in my form was of a Sikh family. But this girl, I had never met the like. I didn’t even know what it was, but this girl gave me a very strange, spooky kind of feeling.
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I only recognised this emotion as islamophobia many years later when I went to stay with a friend in Bradford. He lived in an area where about 30% of the population were Muslim. My emotion returned, but more strongly. At first I was nervous, but as time passed I came to feel the peace, dedication and industriousness of these people. Eventually, by recognising that I had felt fear, I accepted that I suffered from prejudice, and this realisation permitted the fear and prejudice to ebb away.
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The trouble with prejudice is that the person who has prejudice does not notice it as such; they just feel fear. No one wants to think of themselves as prejudiced. In reaction, their rational mind makes excuses for their feelings, it dreams up plausible reasons to justify them, and the person, if they are insufficiently self-reflective, comes to accept those rationalisations.
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I had a friend who was an ex-policeman. He was older than me and he died recently. He suffered from fear of people of other races, and invented his justifications. He could be friends with and have respect for individuals of a different race, but when viewing “foreigners” en masse he was terrified of them, and responded with aggressive assertions about them (psychology – aggression is a response to perceived threat). Instead of facing and accepting his fear, he identified them as a source of danger. Do you see how this works?
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The British government is made of many people. Many of them will be suffering from islamophobia to varying degrees. Others will be simply aggressive. A few will be downright manipulative, and will exploit the shortcomings of the others to their own ends. Similar arguments apply to people in the media.
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I suspect that there are also other elements to this.
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People naturally fear those that they abuse; specifically, they fear retribution, but they generally do not recognise their abusive behaviours; again, they rationalise. The more industrialised nations have abused the oil-producing nations of the Middle East for decades. We are all caught up in this, as our society is dependent upon liquid fuel to a literally frightening degree.
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Blair’s first challenge, the lorry-drivers blockade of the oil depots, demonstrated this dependence very clearly. I do wonder how much influence that event had upon Blair. He watched the country he had been put in charge of brought to its knees in under a week by a small group of belligerent fat-sos armed with nothing but trucks. Five days, and the food started to run out, and Blair sent in the troops. That incident may have forged a mighty fear of interruption of the oil supply, and influenced Blair to conspire with oil-driller Bush to take Iraq by force of arms. Blair is now completely insane, of course, but that seems the fate of anyone who spends more than six months as the UK’s prime minister.
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Anno, I urge you to consider the power of the unconscious parts of the Human psyche. This is the journey of self knowledge, which is essential for the understanding of others. All humanity face this challenge. At present, too many of us are making insufficient progress. Did Jesus not say that God is within us all, but that we have to look or we will not find?
Anno, you wrote: “must be lovely to be able to block everything you don’t agree with, Jon”
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It doesn’t work like that. We’re only moderators, not administrators. The software holds some comments in the queue rather than publishing them, apparently on its own whim. We approve the comment (usually), or spam it (if it’s spam), or delete it (rarely).
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But I’ll delete offensiveness from you just the same as I will with our US-based troll. Jon didn’t delete anything of yours; I found it in the queue.
Thanks Clarke. Nice piece of diplomacy.
Are you able to detect from my contributions that the pigeon-holing by Muslims of Westerners as savages that can be lied to or stolen from is just as hard work for me as blanket racism against Muslims from Western irrational fears.
‘Tally-Ho, it’s international wog-bashing day. We’re going to drop 8000 tonnes of explosives on the wogs of Libya’
or, to Mr CIA Salafi Belhaj
‘ and anyone who thinks these Libyan wogs’re unworthy enough to be called Muslims because they supported Gaddaffi in fear of their lives, is welcome to join us and round up the ones we missed, and torture them in jail or otherwie’.
If CIA economic racism joins AlQaida religious racism + xenophobic European masses racism + Peime Minister panic at the food running out racism, all at the same time, do we still have to accept the dropping of 8000 tonnes of bombs on Muslims as if it was a kind of illegal fox-hunt to which the police turned a semi-blind eye.
Even if they agree to an amnesty for Gaddafi supporters, what kind of basis for running a country is this toxic mix of racist poison?
If International Law is fucked, what chance do we have of sleeping in our beds alive? The Salafi Muslims for want of a better word have joined the economic power gangsters in smashing non-Shariah Law for their own ends. The panicking prime ministers have joined the ignorant thugs of the EDL for popular appeal. The Zionist bankers are laughing their socks off because International lawlessness helps them to get away with interest ponzi fraud on us all.
And the BBC cheers on the sidelines as if it was a nicely played cricket ball.
I have not an atom of offensiveness for Jon or anybody else on this blog, but I am deeply offended as a Muslim myself that bastard Muslim AlQaida thugs discredit Islam with their dirty political crimes, and as an Englishman that pooper-scooper Cameron is running around doing Obama’s Africa invasion for him like Blair did for Bush in his time.
I disagree that Blair had a panic moment about oil. He had a panic moment about being exposed as a paedophile and the possibility of the Zionist bankers closing the UK down with him at the helm. Cameron is scared of being exposed as a trader in illegal nuclear fuel. If he was at Eton he was probably the victim of sexual bullying as well.
Only a tiny fraction of all this slaughter is about money and oil. Most of it is about evil men and women who want to control their fellow human beings for sado-masochistic ego boosting. If they wanted money, they would find that peace is more prosperous, but less satisfying to their egos than the destruction of human law.
An instinct to conflict – smashing up neighbours and places like bad apes. Its known as ‘Alpha’ behaviour, a conviently simple psycho-tech narrative. Some say ‘asshole’, others say ‘badass’, my 4 year old nephew is in love with cartoon weaponry.
My behaviour is primitive too, just beyond amoebic, yet like the british government my better resolutions are too transient. Lurking on blogs, reading alerts, about it all i dont know what to comment. There are no clean ends to tug on. The airspace is jammed, im mostly dumbstruck these days. Slainte folks’
Hello Crab, it’s always good when you sidle in here. At least you’re an aware neuron in the emerging global consciousness. If we start smashing the smashers, maybe that’s not so good.
Thanks mate 🙂
MI6 is a basket filled with ‘good eggs’, like (according to Can Speccy) Mark Allen?
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Hilarious chicken-and-egg situation.
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No. Actually, MI6 is a box stuffed with hydrogen sulphide. All the evils of the world are in there. Pandora closed the box before Hope could escape.
This is a big subject for Daily Mail, Sky, Wall Street Journal etc. All Murdoch’s media. What is the reason of this, why Murdoch attacks to Blair now? I just wonder..