Martial Law Britain

by craig on July 12, 2012 12:39 pm in Uncategorized

Those coming from Central Asia, Bahrain, Qatar or Saudi Arabia to the Olympics, interested to see what life in a democracy feels like, will find it seems exactly like life at home in their dictatorship. 17,000 soldiers will be glowering over the venues, checking identity documents, stopping and searching. The mlitary will occupy residential buildings, be buzzing overhead, rolling down the streets and patrolling the river. There will be missiles on land, sea and air, though nobody knows what the threat is that this is supposed to counter.

What will make our dictatorship resident visitors feel especially at home is the contempt for the ordinary citizen. Not only will they have the military all over them and be subject to frequent stopping and questioning, they will be expected continually to get out of the way of their betters. Special VIP lanes on the road will allow officials to sweep by, while normal citizens will simply have to sit in gridlock and stew. Who cares? The military will stick missiles on your roof if they wish. What they are going to shoot down, and which bit of London it will land on, is not to be questioned.

Here in Ramsgate we are losing our regular train service to London completely for the duration. All the HS1 trains are being commandeered to run a shuttle service between Ebbsfleet and Stratford. 22 trains a day from Ramsgate are simply cancelled. Slow trains are available, but a journey normally 70 minutes will become – at the fastest possible – 2 hours and 35 minutes. A large number of commuters will simply be unable to get to work anything like on time, and have to spend door to door over seven hours a day in travelling as well as their working day. Nobody was consulted. Quite a few don’t yet know – there has been no determined effort to tell people. Leaflets are available in the ticket office if you ask for one.

But the leaflets might as well just say, “You are fucked, and we don’t care”.

The extra 3,500 military personnel it was today announced will be used at the games cover a shortfall in Group Four personnel. Group Four were providing 4,000 paid staff and 6,000 unpaid volunteers. It is the unpaid volunteer numbers which are short by 3,500.

Most people are not stupid. They may volunteer happily for sport or for charity, but to work for nothing to make tens of millions of pounds of profit for Group Four as it exploits them, plainly does not have universal appeal. Those 2,500 who have volunteered to work for nothing for G4S are the idiots in this story. How gullible can you be?

Bob Russell, MP for Colchester, today in parliament made the excellent point to Teresa May that Group Four (or G4S as they now call themselves) should not be employed because of their role in aiding and abetting Israel’s illegal activities in the West Bank and human rights abuse there. With breathtaking chutzpah Teresa May replied that it was this kind of valuable international experience that made Group Four the right company to provide security for the games.

Which brings me back to my point at the start. Those visiting from oppressive regimes will feel absolutely at home. That is the one and only thing you can trust Teresa May to ensure with grim efficiency.

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  1. A friends son who is unemployed but has a sports coaching qualification tried to volunteer but was turned down for an unspecified failure to pass the security screening.
    He’d needed to gain experience to get a job and thought given he wanted to become a sports coach, assisting at Olympic venue might be a plus on his CV.
    The recruitment people refused to give a reason when pressed, and he had no knowledge of why he might be.
    He contacted his local MP, who happened to be an ex-foreign secretary of your acquaintance. As the said MP had also been home secretary, he pulled some strings at the home office and he was allowed to volunteer (although no reason was given for the original black-listing).

  2. Chris

    Thanks. it is yet another horrible example of unemployed young people working for nothing for those who exploit them, in despair of getting something on their c.v.. If only it more often led to finding a real job.

  3. Theresa May is a dangerous woman anb a walking disaster. And a liar. Note she passed the buck to LOCOG. Today she said she nothing was amiss with the G4S until yesterday.
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    On Monday 9 July she answered these questions.

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    Gregg McClymont (Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East, Labour)
    What progress she has made on Olympic security preparations; and if she will make a statement.
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    Theresa May (Home Secretary; Maidenhead, Conservative)
    The Government and everyone involved are focused on delivering a safe, secure and successful games. We are confident in our planning and are leaving nothing to chance in our aim to deliver games that London, the UK and the whole world can enjoy.
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    Gregg McClymont (Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East, Labour)

    The Olympics are only 18 days away, but we learned over the weekend that G4S still needs to fill 9,000 security positions. Without those staff, security will surely be compromised. Will the Home Secretary therefore confirm that she has signed off G4S’s recruitment schedule? Will she also give a personal assurance to the House that those 9,000 security staff can be recruited, vetted and trained in the next 18 days?
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    Theresa May (Home Secretary; Maidenhead, Conservative)
    As the hon. Gentleman may be aware, venue security is being delivered by the London Organising Committee of the Olympic Games and Paralympic Games, G4S and the military. It is a huge operation to protect more than 100 different venues, and delivering it is a big challenge. The Home Office has put in place a number of assurance processes to ensure that we have effective and robust scrutiny of venue security planning. We have been testing our plans thoroughly and are confident that our partners will deliver a safe and secure games, but we are not complacent and will leave nothing to chance, so we will stay on the case.
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    Diana Johnson (Kingston upon Hull North, Labour)
    The Home Secretary has not answered the question asked by my hon. Friend Gregg McClymont. First, will she confirm that she personally signed off the G4S recruitment schedule? Secondly, will these 9,000 people be recruited, trained and in place, and will they have gone through the proper security vetting, by the opening of the Olympic games?
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    Theresa May (Home Secretary; Maidenhead, Conservative)

    The hon. Lady has missed one crucial point: the G4S contract is with LOCOG. The Home Office has a responsibility to test those plans and to provide assurance on them, which is exactly what it has been doing.

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2012-07-09a.9.2

  4. You are right as the Advert used to say: “a bit of over there over here”.
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    Indeed we have made giant leaps towards servitude and serfdom all thanks to war on terror. St Tresa of May rightly identifies the valuable international experience of G4S, how truthful do you want her to be?
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    G4S have learned to treat the none chosen and Palestinians alike, all of whom are equally worthless, hence the volunteer force of slaves who will turn up dutifully having to buy their own sandwiches for dinner and enjoy Marshalling the other serfs, oh, the power trip. Mind these will be given a treat the red flags from their relevant job club files will be removed.
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    The VIP lanes, the missile shield, and the friendly howitzers with their virile muzzles are all a dick swinging exercise, that conveys one message; “we take no shit, and go ahead punk make my day”, doctrine so abundantly clear. A lesson to those mamby pamby dictators in how to dictate with style.
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    PS. the red flags of Job clubs are serious matters, anyone of the “Job Seekers” attaining two of the said red flags will have their benefit suspended from six to twelve months. The red flag can be attained if the “job seeker” has pawned his/her phone to buy gas/electric/food. Also other red flag offenses include not setting up an email without being tutored for or trained, ie if someone who is not computer savvy or does not know how to set up an email account does not count, as the illness and disabilities do not count as per the raft of new legislations targeting the waste of money spent on the “lazy” unemployed and the poor and the disabled.
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    PPS. don’t ask silly questions where are the jobs at? There is plenty free vacancies going, all you need to do is work for free, that is all.

  5. I am a “carer” to use modern day terminology,I am not fond of labels but it helps understand my foundations.The systematic destruction of Britain is appalling in the rapid rate at which it is happening.
    I am seeing many forced to work or have benefits removed when seriously ill,losing that benefit whilst sick,dying or disabled, mental break down from short term contracts in the “caring” sector.Workers and volunteers alike are all being engulfed by this tsunami of profit and power led wave.
    Workfare is unbelievably corrupt and many local charity shops willingly participate,dictating hours and I would imagine terrifying some young adults with their work hours demands.
    The last two olitical parties consider profit and power their God.Whilst there is no interactive care for our fellow human by small gestures and little steps we will be that dioctatorship. you so aptly describe.

  6. A note from a friend this morning –
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    A SUNDAY SCHOOL PICNIC
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    I have just watched the Leni Riefenstahl film of the 1936 Olympics. I know it was a propaganda film but it made those Olympics look like a civilized Sunday School picnic compared to the Blair/Cameron Games. It lasted but three days. The police/soldiers were suprisinging few and far between (about one every hundred feet). Hitler and his mob of nasties were on a rostrum in the middle of the thousands of spectators each day with no glass screens or military in sight. They were obviously enjoying the whole thing except when black athletes beat the Germans. Incidentally rumour has it that it was FDR who refused to shake Jesse Owens’ hand when he returned to USA.

    The access and design of the 1936 Stadia were impeccable compared to the shambles of Stratford. (which I think could turn into a tragedy if there was a stampede). They have confessed they are worried about access at the Westfield shopping centre. Their excuse is that four different rail companies had a hand in building Stratford station (and it looks like it.)
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    Yours …..
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    PS An outcome of the meeting last night at Lincolns Inn about security crackdowns in UK organised by CAMPACC is that I have at last got confirmation from leading Lawyers about who represents the UK State re the Geneva Conventions. It’s The Director of Public Prosecutions (they changed the law last year)

  7. Someone’s sussed G4S, anyway. Libya has banned it from guarding EU officials in Tripoli…despite G4S having hired the former UK Ambassador to Libya as an advisor: “Richard (Northern) will be instrumental in guiding us as we establish our Libyan business and support the country’s redevelopment” (Private Eye, today)
    That gets a rofl from me.

  8. Some of the unpaid volunteers will have been forced to do it.

    Have a look here Craig
    http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/

  9. Call me a curmudgeon but I’m adamant the olympics should never have gone ahead. What a staggering waste of public money they are. The sports arenas left behind will rust and a few wealthy people will be able to afford to move into the olympic “village”. London grinds to a halt for 4 weeks and we’re left to suffer the consequences.

  10. Neil

    Even the Olympic village is a fail. No way the yuppies will buy the flats. They look like the Whtifield flats in Dundee before they were demolished, or one of the nastier Soviet estates in Moscow.

  11. There’s no way anyone will buy most of them. The deal was to hand the Qataris some lucrative tenancies on a plate…
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/aug/12/olympic-village-qatari-ruling-family

  12. Good post Craig.

    These Olympics are just an excuse for corporate whores,politicians and military psychopaths to profiteer and ramp up the fear and loathing.

    Nothing else-certainly nothing to do with sport and fostering goodwill and understanding between nations,

    A sad state of affairs really.

    Zeitgeist indeed.

  13. Some more British citizens who are f****d – these who rely on three South London hospitals for their medical care. I never thought I would hear that an NHS trust was being put into administration. Some crappy retail chain maybe but not OUR NHS hospitals. The poor people and the staff too.
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    12 July 2012 Last updated at 13:04
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    South London Healthcare NHS Trust put into administration
    The trust was created by merging three hospitals
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    South London Healthcare NHS Trust is to be put into administration after it ran into financial trouble, the government has announced.
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    Health Secretary Andrew Lansley has appointed a trust special administrator to go into the trust.
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    Mr Lansley said: “Past efforts have not succeeded in putting the South London Healthcare Trust on a sustainable path.”
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    The trust has run up deficits of more than £150m since being created in 2009.
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    It is the first time an NHS trust has been put into administration.
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    /…
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18812193

  14. Oh never spent much time in Dundee. Use to drive though Sighthill and Wester Hailes every work day however!

    The knock-on effect of the olympics has been to push up house prices and rents in east London by incredible multiples. The stories of landlords simply booting out tenants in search of olympic gold has made the headlines a few times now. (England has the worst private tenancy protection in the developed world and a majority of the third world …)

  15. I recall vivdly how excited we young people used to be about the Olympics of 1956, 1960, 1964. All the sports were strictly amateur, and there was very little money to be made by anyone. (The austere London Olympics of 1948 were still fresh in most people’s memory – anyone who doesn’t know what the Olympic movement used to be about should read one of the excellent books about 1948).

    This year, I wouldn’t go to any of the Olympic venues unless I was paid quite a lot of money to do so. I shall tune in to a few of the athletics events on TV, maybe a spot of swimming, and some tennis. I very much wish the Olympics were being held somewhere – anywhere – else. It has becoming a hideously cynical exercise in money-making.

  16. Isn’t the real point of all the missiles and other military activity to show them off to the visiting heads of state in order to boost the profits of BAE etc.?

  17. Hitting the proverbial nail on the head once more and as always, Craig. Thank you. This elite S*** Fest was always going to be a problem in all sorts of ways and so it will prove. It gives the lie to all the bosh we hear from our politicians about democracy. “Demagogracy” would be more accurate. ‘Twill be interesting to see when or if the troops leave the streets once the Rituals are over.

  18. Tom Welsh: “All the sports were strictly amateur…”
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    Yes, I thought so! I’ve stated this to a number of people, and they’ve just looked at me blankly.

  19. Agree Neil. Stratford will be just like this a a few years’ time. This is the Athens stadium last February.
    http://www.newbrandtribalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/AthensStadium.jpg
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    I see the Greek people were shafted for $9nbn eight years ago just as we have been for £9bn and counting.
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    I found the photo on this link which we should send on to Bliar in his new role as ‘adviser on the Olympic legacy’. It would be funny if it was not so serious.
    {http://www.newbrandtribalism.com/2012/03/02/the-role-of-brands-in-a-post-olympic-world/}

  20. There were 4,000 signatures on this petition yesterday afternoon when I signed. Today there are over 73,000. Enough said.
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    The petition text:
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    To the CEOs of companies sponsoring the Olympics,
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    Please do the right thing and pay your fair share of tax on your huge profits from the London Olympics
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    give up your Olympic tax break
    publish full financial details to prove you’ve done it
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    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/olympic-tax-dodging-petition
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    I would have left out the word ‘please’.
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    The UK’s winning Olympic bid included huge tax breaks for corporate sponsors. As a result, massive multi-nationals stand to make a tax-free fortune all at our expense.
    If enough of us complain, then it might scare these image-conscious companies into backing down and refusing their Olympic tax-dodge.
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    Please add your name to the petition and shame these Olympic corporate sponsors into doing the right thing, sign the petition now.
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    UPDATE McDonalds have said they will not take theirs.

  21. “I see the Greek people were shafted for $9nbn eight years ago just as we have been for £9bn and counting.”
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18073793
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    {http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/investigations/2012/04/32-die-a-week-after-failing-in.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter}

  22. I laughed when the M4 got closed this weekend. Of all the roads in London to be fucked just before the Olympics, it had to be the main route in to London from the main port of entry… If they can’t fix it, honestly, it will be quicker to fly to most destinations than to get a ride into London. Even the VIPs. Until they get the tanks out to clear a path through Hounslow, which I suppose they will seriously consider doing.

    Whilst I have no time for Cameron’s Tories, I have a little sympathy in terms the Olympics – which is of course another Blair inheritance.

    And it really is typical Blair – a grand, Utopian plan cooked up with zero attention to detail, minimal public support, an intentionally lowballed budget, with no idea what success will look like, and always destined to become someone else’s problem.

  23. Theresa May is a Zionist supporter. She attended the Herzliya conference in February this year.
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    Craig said ‘Bob Russell, MP for Colchester, today in parliament made the excellent point to Teresa May that Group Four (or G4S as they now call themselves) should not be employed because of their role in aiding and abetting Israel’s illegal activities in the West Bank and human rights abuse there. With breathtaking chutzpah Teresa May replied that it was this kind of valuable international experience that made Group Four the right company to provide security for the games.’
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    Yonatan said this on a previous post.http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/01/ios-on-werrittys-case/

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    ‘8 Jan, 2012 – 3:26 pm
    Re: Herzliya – it seems to have two tracks, an open part and a closed ‘invitation only’ round table. Fox is listed as a speaker in 2009, 2010 and 2011, but there is no sign of any contribution in the open sections. Presumably the talks were delivered in the ‘invitation only’ sessions. Given he was there officially, it would be interesting to know what he saying.

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    In 2009 and 2010, Sir Michael Pakenham, Former Chairman of the UK Joint Intelligence Committee played a part in several panels. In 2011 Michael Dugher (UK Shadow Defence Minister) was on the panel “Is Israel Losing Europe”, John Spellar (UK Shadow Minister for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs) was on a panel “Addressing the Assault on Israel’s Legitimacy in Europe” and Lorna Fitzsimmons took part in “On Criticism and Prejudice: The Arab-Israeli Conflict and the Assault on Israel’s Legitimacy”. Ms Fitzsimmons will be there again in 2012 rubbing shoulders with such pillars of the great and good as Theresa May’
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    This was May’s contribution
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    MAKING A DIFFERENCE: WOMEN IN INTERNATIONAL
    SECURITY
    Hon. Dr. Marta Lucia Ramirez de Rincon, Fmr. Minister of Defense of
    Colombia
    Hon. Elisabeth Rehn, Fmr. Minister of Defense of Finland
    Amb. Jill Sinclair, Assistant Deputy Minister (Policy), Department of
    National Defence of Canada*
    Rt. Hon. Theresa May, Home Secretary and Minister for Women and
    Equality, UK Home Office*
    Lt. Gen. (ret.) Orit Adato, Fmr. Commissioner of the Israeli Prison
    Service
    Moderator: Ms. Lea Landman, Research Fellow, Institute for Policy
    and Strategy, IDC Herzliya; Acting Executive Director, WIIS Israel
    —————
    Hon. Janet Napolitano, US Secretary of Homeland Security*
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    {http://www.herzliyaconference.org/eng/_Uploads/dbsAttachedFiles/ProgramE(5).pdf}
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    Vile. She must have swopped notes with the Israeli prison service woman. Torture, detention without trial and locking up children their specialty.

  24. Good ole Blakey. Just had to change one letter to bring it up to date:
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    And did those feet in ancient time
    Walk upon England’s mountain green?
    And was the holy Lamb of God
    On England’s pleasant pastures seen?
    And did the countenance divine
    Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
    And was Jerusalem builded here
    Among those dark satanic tills?

    Bring me my bow of burning gold!
    Bring me my arrows of desire!
    Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
    Bring me my chariot of fire!
    I will not cease from mental fight,
    Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
    Till we have built Jerusalem
    In England’s green and pleasant land.

  25. “I see the Greek people were shafted for $9nbn eight years ago just as we have been for £9bn and counting.” (mary)
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    If we learn anything from history it is that we learn nothing from history. In eight years’ time we too will be largely unemployed, rioting, with no social services, and run by unelected fatcats. Or, at any rate, even more than we are already.

  26. As Del Boy would say, ‘What a plonker’.
    The Bottom Line Nick Boles CEO G4S
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18366018
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    I should think that like the Diamond geezer, he’s now toast.
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    Something good has come out of this debacle though. Surrey Police will not consider G4S in their privatisation discussions. Go the whole hog Surrey Police, and cancel the discussions. You know outsourcing will not give reliability however cheaply the companies offer their services.

  27. Question remains why is blair back, pre announced pre olympics pre iran and syria .

  28. how much has “G4S” given in party “donations” — i wonder?

  29. “Theresa May is a Zionist supporter”
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    I could be wrong, but I doubt that she’s any more a supporter of Israel or Zionism than anyone here.
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    People like her support the power of the moment and that’s all. That’s why they’re incapable of articulating any argument for their cause. It’s staggering the extent to which “support” for Zionism has grown in Britain over the past 20 or so years. Prior to that official support was for the Arab regimes and public support of the Palestinians was encouraged. That’s why Jenny Tonge has gone from goodie to baddie over the same period.
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    Anyway, there are grounds for optimism in this “support” whilst seeming miles wide being but millimetres deep.

  30. Why made me say Nick Boles CEO G4S? It is Nick Buckles.
    Boles is an MP. Took Thatcher’s old seat of Grantham. Bilderberger, member of Henry Jackson Society and a PPS to a Gove minister. Now where is that garlic and the stake?

  31. G4S bung…”Lobbyists Euro RSCG Apex
    Communications, which gave £11,900 (to the Tories -K)), represents A4E, G4S and Serco.
    http://www.sunray22b.net/1277.htm
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    I’m sure that’s just for starters.

  32. doug scorgie

    12 Jul, 2012 - 3:58 pm

    For any interested activists that can attend;this meeting should prove informative about Israeli settlements in the West Bank and G4S

    Merton PSC July meeting on G4S

    JULY MEETING – G4S

    Tuesday 17th July at 7.30 pm

    Venue: South London Irish Centre,
    140-142, Hartfield Rd. SW19 3TG

    Topics: Globe, G4S,& Jubilee Diamond Protest Video Clips

    Speaker:

    Diana Neslen – a signatory of Jews for Justice for Palestinians

    A short walk from Wimbledon Station
    Please attend or send a friend (I,m a poet and don,t know it).

  33. Herbie One doesn’t to go to or get invited to Herzliya for fun. It means she has a commitment to the little ‘state’.

  34. Mary wrote: “Herbie One doesn’t to go to or get invited to Herzliya for fun. It means she has a commitment to the little ‘state’.”

    Quite so. Fox was also an attendee as were a couple of BP (or ex-BP?) people taking part in a game about how to handle Israel’s oil/gas reserves should the price go to $250 a barrel. Hoard or sell, tricky?

    On a light note, I came across a funny comment regarding the Levy ‘occupation denial’ report in Israel. On the excellent 972mag.com site, a ‘Richard SM’ called the West Bank occupation ‘The Great Terrain Robbery’. Excellent play on words.

    http://972mag.com/the-name-game-what-should-we-call-the-situation-in-the-west-bank/50708/

  35. xpensive planes, slow trains and jammed automobiles

    12 Jul, 2012 - 6:48 pm

    Whistleblower’s Olympic Security Warning.
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    A whistleblower involved in training staff for security firm G4S has told Sky News he believes there is a 50-50 chance someone could carry a bomb into one of the Olympic venues….
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    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/whistleblowers-olympic-security-warning-163115426.html

  36. Thanks Yonatan even though my typo was repeated! Word play v good.
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    The comment above from too long to type again – Some have been saying that there is a dirty bomb in the foundations. At the beginning of the work, security was not very full on.

    I did not know that Her Maj is opening it. I do hope that the tedious ‘ceremony’ does not go on for hours and hours with speeches, displays, flag raisings, national anthems and then the bloody flame/torch which I am so sick of hearing about from inane presenters. Don’t know how they live with themselves repeating the garbage.
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    http://www.royal.gov.uk/LatestNewsandDiary/Pressreleases/2012/OpeningOlympicParalympicGames2012.aspx

  37. So, Mary and Yonatan,
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    You think May went to Herzliya through personal choice.
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    I see.
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    And Mary, this is all a bit like your Martin McGuinness shakey hands bollocks.
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    Miles wide, skin deep. Forget it at your peril.

  38. Troops on the street? We are now officially a banana republic, without the bananas or the good weather.

  39. I’m wondering if the 2,500 “volunteers” are really volunteers at all, or if, like the “volunteers” who worked for free for the Jubilee, they are unemployed people told that they either do unpaid work or else they can lose their benefits and starve. Even if you count the benefits as payment (which in many cases would be a liberty as some of these people will have worked and paid taxes for years) it wouldn’t justify more than part time work for the £70 odd a week.

  40. @Herbie I do not much like the tone of your comment pr your language. You are forgetting May’s vendettas against Sheikh Raed Salah based on false information provided to her by the Community Security Trust, and other Muslims. Whose agenda do you think these actions fit?
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    And why rake up that business of McGuiness shaking hands with the Queen? I see no connection. I stand by what I said then and what I say now.

  41. How far have we strayed off the path? These days someone has to get an MP to pull strings so that their relative can be given a “Job” that does not pay, so that he/she can work. Who said it was a banana republic? No it is more like KSA (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia) et al with “wasta” thou shalt live being the motto.
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    It now makes sense to see all the troops pulled out of Afghanistan coming to London to man the Olympics, the only tricky bit is when the fireworks star some of these troops not to have a flash back and get into the Afghanistan mode.
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    Herbie,
    Do you imply that her Madj’s Home Secretary Teresa May was compelled to go to hertzylya to kiss the chosen butts and genuflect to all things yeddish under duress and not of her own free will?

  42. I certainly agree that we are beginning to look like a dictatorship.
    Only problem with that is , who’s dictating ?
    Willie Hague was always a klutz, Osborne is an incompetent idiot, and Cameron cant stick with one decision for more than a day.
    May would strike terror into the bravest of us, but she’s not very savvy.
    She did mention today that the security has been meticulously planned.
    Getting that sinking feeling that more than the Olympic games is planned.
    I seriously hope it gets rained off.

  43. More of the news that you will not get from any of the “usual newsmongers”.
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    Sheik Namer the spiritual leader of the Saudi dissidents’ kidnapping and torture by the KSA authorities, has resulted in the ultimatum of the dissidents whom have warned the KSA authorities: they have five days to release the said Sheik or face the destruction of the eastern board of the oil wells. Also the dissidents have warned of a campaign of total disruption yet to be unleashed.
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    Regardless of the efforts to filter out these latest developments in KSA, the probable threat of the disruption of oil, will be pushing the price of oil higher.
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    Clearly people of KSA have had enough of the repression and oppression and are now taking the matters into their own hands. Good luck and God speed to the dissidents fighting the most repressive regime on the planet.

  44. Fedup
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    Yeah, more or less. She’d be kissing Arab ass where that in vogue today. My main point is that you need to look more at the authors of the drama rather than the characters they write. There’s no point mixing your metaphors and slagging off the monkey. We already know they don’t represent us, or even themselves for that matter other than in terms of ambition.
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    Mary, for example, often talks about “agent” Cameron so you’d expect she’d understand the point too, but alas she just read it somewhere and thought it cute.
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    Martin McGuinness is perhaps Ireland’s foremost shaker of hands. He shook that of an ex-Israeli ambassador and a queen and even Unionists, but still his party is one of the very few in govt anywhere in Europe where Jenny Tongeism is not just tolerated but actively encouraged. Some members of his party even go on those relief boats to Palestine.

  45. Firstly here is a video clip of the sheik Namer, he is talking about governance and politics.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn23wH_risE

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    Herbie,
    As you will know for the last many decades none having been in vogue other than the self awarded chosen ones, then is it not an exercise in futility to allude to Arabs etc.? Further, So far as representation goes, everyone of the carpetbaggers are in it for what they can get out of it, therefore we can safely assume they represent themselves pretty good.
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    However we also as human beings have what is know as the sense of discerning right from wrong, therefore the notion of taking the shekel and mingling with a bunch of parasitic supremacists whose blind allegiance to the principles of tribalism, free land (mainly others lands), and free murder and discrimination against all from without the tribe, is akin to drug peddling parasites who earn their living off the misery of their constituents and is plainly wrong by any standards personal or otherwise.
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    Finally, the fact that Martin McGuinness extends his hand of friendship is a measure of his success in setting the pace of change against those whom had disenfranchised him and his kind. Hence his parties’ affinity with the disenfranchised Palestinians whom of no fault of their own have been lving at the gates of hell on Earth for the duration of the last seven decades.
    ,
    If a butterfly flapping its wing in outer Mongolia can affect the weather in the North Sea, then what kind of fucked up effect will the total disregard of the ziofuckwits to all values human would have on our rights in UK, and elsewhere?

  46. It’s the Stingray Olympics: missiles, Typhoon jets, Our Most Powerful Naval Vessel on standby, the country sinking into the ground and, of course, a puppet government.

  47. Mary correction to your post. FDR did not refuse to shake Jesse Owen’s hand. The story is that Owens felt snubbed because he never received a congratulatory telegram from the White House.

  48. I’ve just got home from a bar in town where I had a conversation with a soldier. He was twenty years old, he’d joined up at sixteen. They had told him he wouldn’t be sent to Afghanistan, but he was, and members of his unit had been killed. Tonight was the start of his three month leave, after which he fully expects to be sent back there again.
    .
    He proposed a toast to the Army. I declined, and suggested we drink to the soldiers, but not the army, because they shouldn’t be out there in the first place.
    .
    From this point on, my skill with language is inadequate for what I wish to express. His emotions were clearly strung nearly to breaking point, he was full of anger and fear. At first he said he wanted to go back to seek revenge for his comrades who had been killed, but his aggression was overflowing in other directions too. At one point his anger became too much for him, and he went away to be alone for a few minutes.
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    He also seemed alienated. He expected to be excluded from the bar by the bouncer, and didn’t expect to be permitted to enter the nearby club. They did let him in, and I wished him well. I said that I hoped that he would be assigned to the Olympics rather than sent back to Afghanistan. His attitude had changed, mellowed. Now he said that he’d rather not be sent back, but he didn’t see any hope of that. So we raised our glasses to his family and comrades, and lifted our middle fingers to the politicians who sent him there.
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    Less than half my age, with an emotional burden like that to carry for the rest of his life, if he even gets the chance to live it.

  49. “I certainly agree that we are beginning to look like a dictatorship.
    Only problem with that is , who’s dictating ?” (Donnie D)
    .
    Haven’t been following the story, have you, Donnie? :-)
    .
    Plot synopsis here:
    http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2012/07/09/opinion-the-finance-lobby-faces-its-biggest-challenge/

  50. ‘Most people are not stupid. They may volunteer happily for sport or for charity, but to work for nothing to make tens of millions of pounds of profit for Group Four as it exploits them, plainly does not have universal appeal. Those 2,500 who have volunteered to work for nothing for G4S are the idiots in this story. How gullible can you be?’
    .
    I blogged on Cameron’s love of charity yesterday. To my mind there are two types of charity of which Cameron approves, charities like Atlantic Bridge, where the ultra-rich make donations in return for favours, and charities in which the poor are made to work for nothing. It is blatant.
    .
    http://johngossip.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/big-society-camerons-love-of-charity.html

  51. Cameron’s crowd are looking more and more like American Republicans every day of the week.

  52. If you had no idea what Britain was really all about before, then you would have no excuse after this Olympics carve-up is over. It takes something big like this for the fascists to show their true colours. I just hope it rains and rains and rains throught-out and the roads are grid-locked and public transport fails. There will be egg on their big fat money grabbing faces and I’d like to hear what excuse Boris comes out with to jolly it along. The Govt can’t control the weather and this will be the downfall of the Games and not the supposed terrorism attacks.

  53. Why are there so many conspiracies going around surrounding the olympics. Things like mass death, conspiracies around the illuminati doing some inside jobs on certain actions

  54. Parky, Boris would probably claim he had found the ‘God particle’.

  55. Chilling photos here.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2172909/Olympic-security-Londons-green-space-transformed-anti-aircraft-guns-Olympic-ring-steel.html
    .
    I hear that Hyde Park is being considered for a camp for the army personnel and that the olympic road lanes are already open.
    .
    FYI Herbie (still being snide I see) I read the phrase ‘Agent Cameron’ for the first time on this blog. I did not think it ‘cute’ as you say just appropriate.
    .
    Can you spot Mrs May in this large gathering of the CFoI?
    http://www2.cfoi.co.uk/Events/PastEvents/ 😉

  56. willyrobinson

    13 Jul, 2012 - 10:56 am

    @craig
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    Brilliant, not a word out of place.
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    “What they are going to shoot down, and which bit of London it will land on, is not to be questioned.” Oooof!

  57. I liked your piece John and yes shame on the condems for the changes made to the structure of management of our canals and waterways. They are part of our true legacy.

  58. TGPIF – Thank God particle it’s Friday.
    .
    Interesting piece here:
    “Israel Admits War Causes Were Fabricated”
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    “Even before the Hezbollah War, Israel knew it was hopeless to retrieve abducted IDF soldiers” — Ehud Olmert
    http://www.roytov.com/articles/olmertlebanon.htm
    .
    “What they are going to shoot down, and which bit of London it will land on, is not to be questioned.”
    .
    Since they’re hardly expecting a fighter like an F-16, are they planning to shoot down a hijacked passenger plane right over London? One carrying a bomb perhaps? It’s increasingly looking like it’s all for show.

  59. Seems there’s to be a 30-mile exclusion zone for all but scheduled commercial flights. Like the 9/11 ones, yes?
    .
    So the answer to what they are expecting is an IED on a hang glider.

  60. Komodo….the answer is in the new BA commercial on the TVs…

  61. Thanks Mary. The canals, especially around the Midlands, are a pleasure to behold. Unfortunately it will not be for long now before they are in total disrepair. In the 1930s a gift was made to Birmingham City Council of Elford Hall in Staffordshire, a stately home which was used for housing paintings during WWII and afterwards to provide shelter for refugee children. No maintenance was done on Elford Hall and it was demolished.
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    http://www.search.staffspasttrack.org.uk/engine/resource/default.asp?resource=5973
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    I fear the same will happen to the canals. Cameron talks of charity when what he actually means is slavery.

  62. It’s interesting (and worrying) to peruse Wikipedia’s article on “Authoritarianism”.
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    “Authoritarianism is a form of social organization characterized by submission to authority as well as the administration of said authority. It is usually opposed to individualism and libertarianism. In politics, an authoritarian government is one in which political authority is concentrated in a small group of politicians”.
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    Hmmm… keep talking.
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    “Authoritarianism is characterized by highly concentrated, and centralized power maintained by political repression and the exclusion of potential challengers. It uses political parties and mass organizations to mobilize people around the goals of the regime.
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    “Authoritarianism emphasizes arbitrary law rather than the rule of law, it often includes election rigging, political decisions being made by a select group of officials behind closed doors, a bureaucracy that sometimes operates independently of rules,[dubious – discuss] which does not properly supervise elected officials, and fails to serve the concerns of the constituencies they purportedly serve. Authoritarianism also tends to embrace the informal and unregulated exercise of political power, a leadership that is “self-appointed and even if elected cannot be displaced by citizens’ free choice among competitors,” the arbitrary deprivation of civil liberties, and little tolerance for meaningful opposition.
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    “A range of social controls also attempt to stifle civil society, while political stability is maintained by control over and support of the armed forces, a bureaucracy staffed by the regime, and creation of allegiance through various means of socialization and indoctrination”.
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    Remind you of anything familiar?

  63. Uzbek in the UK

    13 Jul, 2012 - 11:45 am

    Well, no surprise to me. Britain is heading BACK to the best of it-Victorian times. Is not Victorian age called Golden Age of Britain?
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    Rich are getting richer, poor are getting poorer, but who cares. Poor are stupid enough to trust rich to rob them yet again and again. Vote for Tory, Vote for Labour, Vote for LibDem poor will be F..cked anyway, bankers, and corporate gung will only benefit. Government’s actions are getting less and less checked, Western democracy is losing its legitimacy at home (whereas abroad it had lost it long time ago).
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    Olympics is in par with the biggest rip off British public was subjected to in the last 6 years. Over 15 billions was spent, most came from public money, and only BIG corporations and gung of greedy landlords will benefit from it. The rest of us will further be subjected to martial law, to make way for BIG corporations to enjoy the show and make big cash at the same time.
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    What a wonderful times we are living in.

  64. CiD

    ‘Why are there so many conspiracies going around surrounding the olympics….’
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    It could be something to do with freelance reporter Ben Fellows who went undercover to infiltrate G4S and claimed that they had imported 200,000 caskets and had plans for the evacuation of London.
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    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1915227/pg1
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    I’m making no comment on the veracity of his claim, but if you listen to his interview it’s pretty obvious that he is not a moonbat but a bona fide journalist who set off to make a straight piece of investigatory journalism and accidentally fell down the rabbit hole.
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    Make of it what you will.

  65. Uzbek in the UK

    13 Jul, 2012 - 12:00 pm

    Not often I see myself defending Soviet system but here we go.
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    Mr Murray, I just wanted to argue with you about your “nastier Soviet estates in Moscow” comment.
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    It is not just you, but quite often the same argument is heard from British or US media about horrible Soviet estates and so on.
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    FYI, housing in USSR was free and from what I have experienced, homelessness was absent. Yes, there was a waiting list which lasted for 3-6 years, but those on the waiting list were also offered temporary accommodation. I have been in some places in Europe, and living now in the UK I do not see how average European and British estates are any better. Of course if one compares average Moscow estate to a multimillion mansion on Billionaries Avenue, one would see huge difference, but comparing the same average Moscow estate to the average London estate, one would see very little if any difference. In fact I came across a number of estates in London, particularly multi-apartment estates that are far worse than average Moscow estates.
    .
    Now why would you use “nastier Soviet estates” argument when on one side you are talking about accommodation provided for free, and on the other accommodation for which average Londoner need to work for 25-30 years to pay off mortgage debts?

  66. Craig,

    A bit late, but welcome back to the blogosphere. You must not stop blogging. You are pretty much the only source of critical, independent political analysis many of us ever see. It may seem hopeless sometimes but speaking as a former blinkered, inveterate tory w***er, you are saving people’s political souls. Keep going.

  67. I wish they would bring out the 1970s TV series “1990” about an authoritarian future Britain on DVD. It starred Edward Woodward and Lisa Harrow.

  68. Uzbek in the UK

    13 Jul, 2012 - 12:22 pm

    John Goss
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    Nice post on Cameron’s love of charity.
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    Taking from the rich, giving to the poor. Wait a second, it is not Tory, it was Robin Hood.
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    Taking from the poor, giving to the rich. That would be Tory love of charity work.

  69. Uzbek, not Robin Hood but Robin’ Bastard!

  70. Uzbek in the UK

    13 Jul, 2012 - 1:40 pm

    There are also few other DOWNsides of the Olympics hardly mentioned here.
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    Few thousands of people had to move out of their houses/flats/flatshares in East London in Stratford and West Ham in particular as they were kicked out by their greedy landlords, who were promised huge rent revenues by greedy estate agencies. For some greedy bastards this materialised, for others failed to. As most of those who were kicked out were either foreigners (you know these Poles, eastern Europeans in general and these Asians) or so called lower middle class, these kicking outs did not make to the big screen. No actions from the Newham Council, nothing from the Mayor of London. Everyone were prising Olympics and how great it is for the nation and for the image of London. Well I guess no one noticed thousands of Poles etc. moving out with their belongings OR otherwise it was overshadowed by the great expectation of this great game.
    .
    Besides this it had also inflated the rent in East London. Newham Borough is known as second most deprived Borough in London, with long list of all sorts of social problems. And yet, rent in Newham in 2012 now averaged to the rent in much more well off London Boroughs. May be it was a grand plan of Tory Mayor of London and Tory government to socially cleanse Newham, to make it unaffordable to all those who fail to pass Tory Social Status check.

  71. “False Flags are a standard stratagem, particularly in democracies, in which it’s necessary to create consensus before waging war. In 1898 the explosion of the USS Maine in Havana Harbor propelled the American people into the Spanish-American War, much as 9/11 propelled us into invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq a century later.” Captain May
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    The Olympic stage supports such a false-flag…
    .
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2136795/Olympic-ring-steel-SIX-missile-sites-protect-Games–Cameron-finger-trigger.html
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    We are witnessing an aberrant accretion of military hardware in the Persian Gulf including a British nuclear submarine.
    .
    {http://rt.com/usa/news/war-sub-drone-iran-066/}
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    Thanks to a number of brave colleagues who have provided intelligence. All that remains is to achieve excellent public awareness.

  72. Children in East London will lose two weeks’ schooling. What about that Mr Gove? OK with you?
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18824674
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    I can’t find a link but I heard on a news summary that day centres for the elderly nearby will be shut for the duration of both games because of road congestion. Home visits would be made in emergencies. How nice for the old people stuck in their homes and not seeing a soul for weeks on end. ie 27th July – 12th August and then 29th August – 9th Sept.

  73. Uzbek in the UK, I was born in 1963. I formed an impression about “Russia”. Looking back, it was a child’s impression formed from mainstream media propaganda, reinforced by my mother. I “knew” what “Russia” was like. It was always cold, the Sun never shone, and people were poor because the state spent all its money on missiles. Housing was damp and crumbling, everyone was perpetually unhappy and no one dared speak or act out of line. Everyone was forced to wear similar clothing and no individuality was tolerated. No one ever dared to laugh. No one there knew anything true, because their media lied to them consistently. Everyone wished to escape, but they were imprisoned in their country. I’ve never put this description into words before; it was a set of vague feelings formed in childhood, and in words it looks ridiculous.
    .
    In my 20s I started to think that the mainstream media was propagandist and I deliberately eliminated it from my life. I wouldn’t have a television in my home and I never bought a newspaper. I deliberately ignored anything remotely political.
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    In about 1990, I met some people at a friend’s home. They obviously weren’t English. We chatted and laughed and exchanged stories. Some things seemed odd; at home, they had gone to the swimming pool most days, but in the UK it was too expensive. Apparently, their municipal swimming pool was free to use, and so was their telephone system. There was also municipal childcare. I couldn’t imagine where they could be from, so I asked. They were Russians.
    .
    What? Suddenly, my childhood impressions were confronted with reality. These people with complete personalities were at odds with my impression of the downtrodden victims of Communism, and in some ways they were richer than us in the UK. The “Iron Fist of Communism” hadn’t destroyed their humanity and turned them into subservient “workers”. They were visiting the UK, not escaping from Russia. They had just lived within a different system, with a different set of advantages and disadvantages which they had learned to cope with, much as I had learned to live with unemployment, insecurity of housing and commercial exploitation.
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    What a stupid, pointless ideological battle. Maybe, in a more enlightened future, humans will learn that progress is a matter of finding the good features in all the different ideologies, and combining them as best we can.
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    So the USSR offered free housing and there was no homelessness. Shout it from the rooftops, Uzbek, along with the injustices and oppressions of the Soviet system, because I, for one, would never have guessed if you hadn’t mentioned it.

  74. Kingfelix, interesting article. The article presents no evidence to account for the vast difference between Sir John Sawers’ allegations and the assessments of the CIA, NSA and IAEA, just the usual “secret intelligence”.
    .
    The exaggeration of the Iranian “threat” is only made possible by the legacy of the Cold War and Mutually Assured Destruction. Estimates I’ve seen of potential Iranian nuclear weapons capability range from one to six nuclear devices. These would be atomic bombs, like the ones used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, weapons that rely on fission, not fusion, “A bombs”, not “H bombs”, with yields in the kilo-tonne range, not the mega-tonne range. Nasty, but by modern standards, puny.
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    So what even if Iran did build six such nukes? What could they possibly hope to use them for apart from a defensive deterrent? Any offensive use of such weapons would invite a counter-attack with thermonuclear hydrogen warheads, each one five hundred times as powerful. Iran would risk comprehensive devastation.

  75. Uzbek in the UK

    13 Jul, 2012 - 3:06 pm

    Clark
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    Soviet system like any other systems (even slavery) had its good and bad points.
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    Yes, as I mentioned housing was free, given by the state for indefinite tenancy to every Soviet family. There was as I said a waiting list. Families with many children, disabled or war veterans were given priority and the rest waited for around 3-6 years to get hold of the keys to (in most cases) newly built apartments. Yes, it was good, as was that fact that unemployment was not only non-existent but (as I previously mentioned) administrative offence.
    .
    BUT free housing was financed by the fact that state kept the absolutely major share of the revenue. Soviet citizens were paid in average 140 (in 1970th) and 180 rubles per months (in 1980th) and 1 ruble was officially equal to 1 USD. There was extreme corruption amongst those who had power or/and access to the state resources. No matter what one did, the maximum salary (usually paid to Professors in military research centres or government officials) was around 500 rubles per months (including premiums). On the top of it government officials obviously abused their power for self enrichment. Systems of justice, higher education, even/especially free housing allocation was the most corrupt.
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    All in all soviet system collapsed. Not because of the pressure from outside, or because of the rise of nationalism in republics (that followed after USSR collapsed) but because the UNwritten agreement between the soviet state and soviet citizens was broken and state failed to provide all these free goodies for which soviet citizens agreed to tolerate many of soviet states wrong doings.

  76. Further to my own questions, could the answer be political rather than military? If Iran developed nuclear weapons, would they have a good claim to a seat on the UN Security Council?

  77. “Can you spot Mrs May in this large gathering of the CFoI?
    .
    http://www2.cfoi.co.uk/Events/PastEvents/
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    Yes, well. This is going to be very embarrassing for Mrs May, isn’t it, Mary?
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    I see the fragrant Chloe Smith further down the page on the new MP trip to familiarise themselves with the Israeli position. She’ll clearly be horrified too.
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    Oh look! There’s Boris in Edgeware doing his not Ken impression:
    .
    {http://www2.cfoi.co.uk/Events/PastEvents/}
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    No chance of Boris winning an election if that comes out, is there Mary? He’ll surely be cast into oblivion now.
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    Keep up the good work exposing all these secretive rascals, saying one thing and ummm errr doing the same thing too.

  78. @komodo
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    A good contribution.
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    Along the same lines, ‘China’ as a nation is regularly demonized in the US media, and now we have the ‘pivot to Asia’…
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    Yet, a single visit to the Taiwan National Palace Museum, to see the masses of Chinese tourist parties is a great experience. And what is seen? Just a large selection of human beings who resemble nothing so much as your regular *American* tourists, same clothes, same labels, same aspirations, to see some of the world, to take their families on an adventure. The intention is clearly to join the party re: consumerism, to aspire to the Rolex watch, the Mercedes car, the nice house with the big screen TV. A threat to the environment, perhaps, but not any sort of threat to capitalism itself. For all its faults, at least the PRC will talk economic inequality and seek to build solutions into its planning, whereas gazing across the Atlantic (or the UK) reveals societies where a sliver of the wealthy and privileged prefer to efface inequality behind talk of ‘rewarding the job creators’ or through demonising the poor, etc.
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    It’s no less depressing for the fact that we all know it, we all see through it.
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    Governments have got their populations sliced and diced and ignorant and afraid. We say it all the time here on Craig’s blog. Fear and ignorance is money in the bank for these tiny sectional interests that seek to control reality for the masses.

  79. Uzbek, you wrote: “…soviet system collapsed. Not because of the pressure from outside…but because the UNwritten agreement between the soviet state and soviet citizens was broken and state failed to provide all these free goodies..”
    .
    But my impression is that the USSR’s financial failure WAS due to pressure from outside, at least partly. Trade embargoes crippled Soviet export capabilities, and the Cold War arms race placed a huge financial burden upon the USSR, whereas for capitalism, it just made the rich corporations richer.

  80. Herbie, this seems to be getting a bit personal with you. Nearly all your comments seem to be critical of Mary. If you wish to engage Mary in discussion, I suggest non-rhetorical questions and counter-evidence rather than personal slights.

  81. Uzbek in the UK

    13 Jul, 2012 - 3:48 pm

    Clark
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    Arms race was a choice of soviet government. Following Nuclear deterrence theory there was no need to produce more and more nuclear warheads if critical amount needed for retaliation was produced. In the end USSR ended up with 30% more warheads than US. There was no need or benefit to soviet citizens to keep 250.000 military personnel in GDR (East Germany) and further 100.000 in other eastern European states. There was no need to spend almost 15% of GDP for foreign aid to keep revolutionary movements (that often terrorised its population) alive.
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    Trade embargoes were not very much effective as most of the hard currency revenues came from raw materials exports, oil, gas, metals. These were exported at large without significant reductions. Oil price hike of 1970th was one of the major reasons that kept USSR afloat for another 12-15 years.

  82. The Mad Men really are here.
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    13 July 2012 Last updated at 15:54
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    London 2012: RAF has ‘lethal force option’

    The RAF showed off some of its hardware at a press event on Friday
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    Games security ‘not compromised’
    Are Olympic missiles just for show?
    Olympics missiles sites confirmed
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    The RAF will use “lethal force” if the Olympics are threatened, the Games air security commander has said.
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    Speaking at RAF Northolt in north-west London, Air Vice-Marshal Stuart Atha said a plane could be shot down as a last resort in a “worst-case scenario”.
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    Asked who would give the order, he said: “The highest level of government makes that decision.”
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    A series of airspace restrictions around London and south-east England are set to be enforced after midnight.
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    Typhoon jets and Sea King helicopters are being deployed to RAF Northolt.
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    The prohibited zone will be about 30 miles wide and does not affect commercial aircraft, which fly in established air traffic corridors.
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    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18823653

  83. UzbekUK

    I have actually been on Soviet era housing estates, in St Petersburg, Moscow, Tashkent, Gdansk, Warsaw and Katowice. A few other places also. They are grim. As were similar estates in the UK – which were well-motivated.

  84. Ref outsourcing, Serco have been given the contract to run London’s community payback schemes, part of the probation service.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18827469
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    But earlier this week, the chief inspector of probation for England and Wales, Liz Calderbank, warned about the dangers of contracting out probation services.
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    Writing in the inspectorate’s annual report, Ms Calderbank said she had “concerns” the plans would make it harder to manage medium-risk offenders who commit most serious further offences.
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    She said it would be “regrettable” if services became fragmented as a result of more providers being involved, as this would increase the potential for communication problems.
    ~~~
    Quite so.

  85. Uzbek in the UK

    13 Jul, 2012 - 4:09 pm

    Mr Murray
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    Why then compare possible grimness of Olympic estates to “soviet era Moscow estates” if as you said there are such estates in the UK itself? Why not to compare them to something with what Britons are more familiar, grimness of estates of East London itself for instance. That was the point I was making.
    .
    And also that, that during soviet era estates, as I said, were provided for free, no mortgage, not even nominal payment from tenants. Whereas grim estates in East London cost 25-30 years of hardwork and saving on many other things including having normal family, with children.

  86. Uzbek, I can’t believe that the Cold War arms race was entirely the doing of the USSR. The US/UK/IS have enthusiastically maintained their nuclear arsenal well beyond the fall of the USSR, with no end in sight, and I’m convinced they would have developed that arsenal even if the USSR had never existed.

  87. I remember the Lee Valley from the 1960s. Even the Wanstead end was an open industrial sewer, flanked by a rubbish tip over which some hardy souls shot rats – and, bizarrely, even the odd pheasant. Further south, it served for my own mental model for Magnetogorsk in the rain. Mind you, it didn’t have such organised gangs then. People lived there because they had to.
    .
    Following the money on the Olympics, however, I found this:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2041229/Tory-donor-Jamie-Ritblat-snaps-Olympic-Village-knock-price–costing-275m.html
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    Jamie’s father, “Sir” John, conversely, was a supporter of Blair. Must be coincidence.

  88. Uzbek in the UK

    13 Jul, 2012 - 4:31 pm

    Clark
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    I am not saying that USSR did it entirely on its own. Yes, it was from both sides, but if soviet government was not able to keep up with “bloody capitalists” and as it was obvious that nuclear deterrence was reached and will prevent “bloody capitalists” from staring nuclear war against USSR, why would USSR continue to keep up. Yes, it did its damage on soviet budget and economy overall, but it was done by choice, at least from 1970th and onwards.
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    Accidently Chinese communist were much smarter than their soviet counterparts (who thought that they were superior). Chinese have stopped at some point when it was obvious that US would not dare to start nuclear was against them. (Not only because of this but) but Chinese communists are still ruling and USSR is a history of the last 21 years.
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    One might argue about US/UK/IS nuclear arms development without USSR and so far US was the only nation that used nuclear weapon in war. It is also the fact that US had monopoly of at least 4 years and did not use it against their major enemy.

  89. Another well written thread bang on the money, Craig. Thanks for some of the links everyone.
    .
    The placing of these missiles, as the last option, after an aircraft already breached the no fly zone, shows the reality for the future of the Olympic games in repressive countries.
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    For an aircraft to be shot down over a highly populated Metropolitan area, after the air force failed to attend and divert an aircraft that’s just departed from one of the local nearby airports and was taken over, is a capitulation. Placing these missiles so close to the Olympic site, when ideally they should be halfway between said airports and the possible target site, could be either construed as a decision badly planned, or as a cool calculation for a 911 top up, a hand up for the war on terror.
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    As an ex surface to air missile op/radar mechanic, these in your face siting’s do not make any sense militarily.

  90. Clark
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    If you look at my first post on the matter, you’ll see that I made the fairly uncontroversial observation that politicians do not speak their mind. They act upon instructions, in a corporate manner or a collective manner if you wish.
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    I described the change in the British corporate interest from Arabist to Israeli in the space of about 20 years. I’m sure Craig will remember the Arabist nature of the FCO from his earlier days.
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    That’s quite an important point, especially if someone else thinks they’re all acting in a personal capacity.
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    Mary then challenged my uncontroversial point, by claiming that May had personal interests in a pro-Israeli stance other than pure ambition.
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    Mary then seems to think that May and others will be embarrassed by her pointing out their apparent pro-Israeli stance. Obviously, nothing could be further from the truth.
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    The evidence I provide in my last post above indicates that that is obviously not the case, quite simply because the dominant theme in media, politics and business is now pro-Israeli. It’s much more embarrassing and carreer damaging today to be pro-Palestinian, as we’ve seen in the case of Jenny Tonge.
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    So you see, I really am being quite objective and counter-evidential about this. Mary, on the other hand, makes what can only be described as a personal argument.
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    In such circumstances it’s necessary to challenge that personalised argument, with a rather more objective assessment of the situation. That will necessarily involve some enagement with the personalised argument.
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    Which is what I did.

  91. Any connection to what’s coming up at Stratford? Or just routine?
    http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/spectrum/gps-jamming-exercises/300512b
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    Home Stakeholders Spectrum GPS jamming exercises Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises Forthcoming GPS jamming exercises, Salisbury Plain, Wiltshire, July 2012
    SALISBURY PLAIN, WILTSHIRE, July 2012
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    Dates: Between the 2nd of July and the 11th of July 2012 (Weekdays only).
    Times: 0700 – 2000 GMT.
    Location of MULTIPLE jammers: Land based within 5km of N51 12, W001 58.5
    Frequency: A 24 MHz band centred around 1575.42MHz (GPS L1).
    Total Power: Up to 10 Watts EIRP.
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    It is stressed that, as in previous exercises, Safety of Life operations will at all times take precedence over exercise activities.
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    Ofcom stakeholders should contact InfoGPS.Notices@ofcom.org.uk
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  92. Goes Bananas

    13 Jul, 2012 - 5:52 pm

    Herbie what you are trying to do with your admittedly cacthy miles wide, millimetres deep idea is convince some stray ‘floating voters’ on the subject of Palestine that the deeply suspect and hypocritical in human rights terms allegiance to the cause of Zionism – that is the religious supremacist expropriation or eradication of the Palestinian peoples and their descendants homes, land, culture and very existance, through lessons in genocide taken straight out of the despots cookbook is just an unalarming phenomena of chance. Allegiance openly bought and paid for, hawked to the highest bidders, banking and monopoly interests, of the majority of politicians of all political parties and all strata of the establishment plutocrats running this dysfunctinal elective dicatatorship we kick against, is nothing we should concern our fluffy little heads about, so superficial is it. Like some fickle brand of sauce preferment, or to suggest that this is some recent state of affairs, some 20-year flip-flop from previous pro-Arab condition, that has never at any time existed. It is a softer line than god gave us this land in some book of fairy tales and we’re his chosen people, the rest of you are just cattle, who we are free to dupe and murder, which is tolerated, humoured, admired by other equally batty exceptionalists –but no less ineffectual. There is no other side to see than the Palestinian side because their cause is right and just and the other not.
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    The very existence of CFI LFI and the rest was the death of our illusory democracy, there is no need of further discussion on that point, the issue before us is new democratic structures which keep such would-be power-brokers and abusers impotent.
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    Israel in a state of perpetual moral collapse doesn’t have a friend in the world, no friendships based on mutual trust and respect, only faux-friends co-opted or bribed with recycled American taxes – US medical care, education, social welfare axed to buy more jets and bombs to rain death on children playing amongst dirt, eradicable disease and hunger – that kitty seemingly inexhaustible is plundered by ambitious politicians to ensure healthy bank balances, good press and their unmerited rise to places where their mercenary attitudes and lack of human compassion invite bloody disaster.

  93. KingFelix, thanks for the link to Sir John Sawyers. If MI6 is issuing information it is disinformation (always) like the warning about an attack on London on the day we all marched to Hyde Park to try and avert the unholy war in Iraq. If it is real information they keep it to themselves.

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