The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Bluebird, so an assumed ID…….or even the real ID , the reason he’s disappeared is because he’s back in OZ ?
I note he’s taken all trace of himself off my Linkedin account…..
Everyone else who’s checked my profile is still there but MB has vanished,rubbed out,gone !
Somewhere on the Pravda.ru front page yesterday was also a story how Russia is turning more of it’s nuke work over to private companies – up to 35% – much less than in the West, but better than now when it’s almost 100% state.
An aside, it is difficult to do the best tech work in a top-down command economy. Stalin ordering freezing, starving scientists in a Siberian gulag to make precision thingies does not work well. Nor does stealing drawings – at best you can only play catch-up, never be a leader.
It is always amazing what individuals in garages and small companies come up with, often with applications far beyond what they intended.
There is a famous story of a man who discovered at home a special way to wind the wire of an electrical coil that made it a much better, sharper frequency filter. That permitted a big manufacturer to build stuff much better than the competition.
And that manufacturer, in turn, was surprised to learn one of their devices, which they built only for a high-end, non-classified, industrial use, had an unexpected, clever application for the security services which, in turn, put them, for a few years, well ahead of their competition.
Who knows what “tricks” SM or SAH or Dion Longworth came up with on their own, perhaps not revealing them even to their own companies.
Bluebird
“5 different signatures?, remember ?”.
And that’s another thing that has bothered me.
Not sure what or how B.A. do things, but I have to sign for everything
Logs, problems, issues, fuel, the aircraft out of maintainace etc..
My “scribble” tends to be consistent (depending on time !).
But my “name” doesn’t alter !
Maybe it’s someone else signing…and “WBMartin” doesn’t attend the accountants that often (then choose one nearer !!!!).
NR.
You could have something there, we must not forget that very impressive shed AH had, I’ve never seen skylights in the roof of a shed . Not to mention a lean to & two garages never used for cars.
Anyway, I shall say goodnight to you & all.
Bluebird
16 Nov, 2012 – 9:01 pm yup bb it crossed my mind too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@NR: Wireless energy transfer can be a real blast.
Bluebird
16 Nov, 2012 – 9:07 pm “Only natural gas could create such a quantity of gas, but they already said NOPE! No natural gas.”
Not quite true BB. LPG is quite capable to do the job. Because at atmospheric pressure the volume is about 250 times that when it is under pressure and liquefied even just one 47 kilo cylinder, if it leaks can provide enough bang to demolish a house though I am not claiming this was necessarily the cause.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directed-energy_weapon#Radio_frequency
Katiebecause
16 Nov, 2012 – 9:58 pm “…he loaded all the bikes & made bookings.”
How many bikes did he take Katie? I thought there was only one back at the caravan site? If so where did the other(s) disappear? Are we sure that Mollier or Martin’s bikes were not Al Hilli’s?
Look who studied physics:
http://webphysics.iupui.edu/STFworkshop/ThisWeek.HTML.
http://physics.iupui.edu/research
Tim v
One house destroyed, ok.
But here we have 6 houses destroyed and one house is just rubble. Gone completely.
I have seen gas explosions. However, usually there is one wall still standing or part of it. But 6 houses? Unusual for gas bottles. You could achieve it with a lot of gas within a sealed off room and a controlled ignition. But then, this would not be an accident either.
Natural gas or a leaked gas pipeline perhaps could cause such damage. Gas bottles: never.
Saad al Hilli ….were found during the search on the social networking sites on the victim profile, nor photograph him in it, but remarkable musical tastes and religious, he listens to the Quran and also listen to the Iranian artists in addition to the Egyptian Mustafa Amar and Sultans of Tarab Orchestra.
This means that fluent in addition to English Arabic and Persian. Also listens to the stanzas of classical music Iranian and Iraqi forces. The only friends al Hilli Alvaespokyin 41 only friend who polynomials nationalities, including only 3 of al Hilli family are Shirin Hala and Hussein al Hilli (Canada) and Faris al Hilli (Baghdad). Friday 09/07/2012 02:08 pm Citizen newspaper » News » Iraq in the Arab press
[Shirin Hala / Shirin Abdulwahab or ‘Sweet(ie Hala) Sherine’ is the popular and beautiful Egyptian singer – but this Sherine Hala (Sweet Sherine) is said to be a family member)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/11/indianapolis-explosion_n_2111740.html
With 80 homes damaged, including 31 that may be demolished, how could the figure be $3.6 million?
The next extract lists a scenario which conforms to a theory currently espoused on Marilynztomlins. ie that the killer waited for the cyclist to leave the village A….. and then followed him on the back / side road on a motorbike thereby arrived there before SM. The next stages of how the killing proceeded may be of interest to Tim V. There is no date on this article but it maentions the Skorpion gun which was ‘news’ some weeks before the ‘Luger’ story emerged. The garbled worder order makes it awkward to read…
Detail: So killing Iraqi businessman Saad ornaments and his family in France
Quoted “Arab” new information emerged about what the right family Iraqi that would have a holiday in the resort area of the Alps and ruled dead shot, and foremost, Father Saad ornaments “was riding his car and leave the camp, which she was staying where his family between 4 and 5 times a day, then come back after 20 or 30 minutes “as he changed his camp to another two days before he was killed and his wife and mother-in-law machine gun French police believe that Czech .
Killer, according to new information is one person was equipped with a submachine gun, the Skorpion vz.61 automatic model, a weapon used security defunct Soviet Union republics used during the Cold War, especially the former, a caliber of 7.65 millimeters, and emptied it all Rsasath killer found All empty قوالبها in collective crime scene .
In detail, it has stopped the killer car in place of the mountain road was known that the Iraqi family pass which drove a roam the region casual walk, and it seems that the killer hack was watching family is in the camp, and when he found depart by car rode his car also sustained, then Ajtazha on the road and waited in an appropriate place and grandfather to filter everyone shot, and it was what he wanted in a remote location and away from the camp resort 18 miles .
Ornaments, born in Iraq 50 years ago, was driving the car with him in the front seat of his eldest daughter Zainab, and 7 years old. The rear seats of his wife Iranian Iqbal, a dentist 47 years old, and beside her mother Suhaila Allaf, born 74 years ago in Iraq and resident in Sweden winning nationality, and with them, was the youngest daughter Accessories, and a 4-year-old .
And deliberate killer appearing character of disrupted his car on the road, to show the Iraqi family Kmanaj to mechanical assistance and the like, and while car passed Saad ornaments place referred to by that stands to help him, and underwent ornaments to request Almstgat unknown فأوقف his car, then approached him asked for help mechanical on his feet to explain to him kind of assistance needed, and when he arrived at his car window urgent quick two bullets in the forehead, followed by Biiih .
Because ornaments money dead than الرصاصتين and bullet third passed a survey on the shoulder of the eldest daughter, which opened the car door and fled turned killer to rear seat passengers, issuing two shots Bajabin wife with a third in the chest, and on the forehead of her mother fired two shots and third on her body and then left the youngest daughter to catch her sister Fugitive .
And while he was busy killing Zainab over the place cyclist residing in a neighboring village, a Frenchman named Sylvain Molier and 45 years old, attempted murderer elimination with 7 bullets .
He then went on to hack into Zainab discarded near the car is not strong enough to run away from her, fired by bullets, but discovered that the machine gun Czech-free 25 rounds when, stood worsen his hit to kill her quickly to be seen Artemt absent from consciousness altogether, Feznha uttered breath .
And did not leave himself a chance to make sure her death rode his car and had fled to escape the place .
Investigations showed that the ornaments suddenly change the location which was clouded his family to the last 1500 meters far from the first, two days before the crime, according to daughter Zainab said that awakened hospital doctors passed it to him from a coma .
The Minor Accessories, and was returned to the sanatorium in Britain to deal with that psychologically suffered as a result of their survival 8 hours hiding under her mother’s body before it finds . youkalnet (no date)
No – waited for al Hilli car to leave campsite. Not waiting for SM to leave Arnaud. But still how on earth can all this be known? make up, guess, imagine? Or have the Arab press been granted privileged access?
Olifant
Friend of family? Did he talk to zainab or else somebody told him who did talk to her already? The family may visit her, so they should know. Not unlikely. However, we dont know whether or not he is telling the truth. What he wrote yesterday was true because the most of that was already confirmed before. What he wrote today is either fantasy or zainab info.
Can’t sleep…….
Mad thoughts at this time, but maybe uncluttered ones
I dont think any of us believe the Al-Hillis were murdered and no massaging of the crime scene took place.
Did Roland Hoskins in the helicopter taking aerial photos have authority to be there?
It should be possible to try and calculate an approximate time using shadows of the trees in his photos.
If he did have authority, the crime scene ‘Fairytale’ is exactly as the authorities wanted it.
If they were a surprise visitor their arrival may have frozen the scene before everything was in place.
I read on this thread about loose items being thrown around with momentum if the BMW was driven at speed and turned or/and braked sharply meaning items such as hunter Sylvain cap (which it isnt) would fall off the dashboard.
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=announcements&action=display&num=1347056926
Note that I havent read all on this forum yet -thats for tomorrow.
Can someone please check (if not I will do it daytime) whether the car transporter in the aerial photo is the same as was used to remove the car. Maybe the scene was still being created when overflown by Roland Hoskins heli and it was on 5th Sept even.
If they had as much time as they needed to create the crime scene why dont we have a cogent story? If they never did any creating and the crime scene is exactly as they found it, why did they let BM’s interview ever go out?
For sure this didnt go to plan, but cleaners must have been involved here to some extent. If so, was their sole plan – confusion and not to make any sense?
I think I need sleep….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASAT_program_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China
I thought this was worth mentioning in connection with the Indianapolis explosion.
Does anyone know if the area has been checked for a radioactive signature?
You are dicounting a man named Brett J. Martin, just because of the J? Wasn’t our BM’s wife called Jill? Or the J could stand for ‘Julius’ or some other middle name that he never normally uses, but found reasons to use in australia [and not use in england] just in order to throw people off the scent. And it seems to have worked.
@Straw
Those aerial photos have various names attached to them if you search. I think it was the Sun/Sky team who took them. (a bit like BM’s interview being streamed across various media outlets.
@Kenneth –
BM’s wife is Theresa. His story checks out from the air force in the 80s onwards. Before that, who knows. But the NZ accent seems genuine, hence I won’t question the St Kentigern schooling. Do many Nuuu Zillanders join the RAF? I have no idea. The grey area is the time leading up to 2012…
I guess the neighbours in Brighton would have recognised him.
“Didn’t I see you on the telly the other day?”
Re the Indianapolis gas explosion, what a strange death/ injury pattern: 86 houses damaged, several completely vanished.
IFD has confirmed at least two people died in the explosion. Fire officials say the victims were in one or both of the houses that were destroyed by the explosion.
IMPD tell Eyewitness News four victims have been transported to Wishard Hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. No critical injuries were reported, aside from the fatalities.[11pm at night…]
Video of the destruction ;
http://www.wthr.com/story/20067614/explosion-victims-believed-to-be-greenwood-teacher-husband?clienttype=generic&mobilecgbypass=
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20373970
99% sure SM has nothing to do with it
There was no DNA at the scene
Maybe it was a savage, but entirely random act of murder.
Mr Maillaud refused to comment on the gun. But it is thought to be a Luger, an early model issued to the Swiss army before the First World War, a collector’s item.
BUT IT IS THOUGHT -BY WHO!!!??!!!
Felix
The size of the explosion and amount of damage to 86 homes at that time of night. There must have been about 100 people in the affected houses. I would have thought hearing loss possibly permanent would be mentioned in reports. It was heard or felt many miles away like an earthquake yet the basement still has the shapes of doorways still intact.
An explosive expert looking at some of this footage could make some major assessments about it, you would think.
Neighbouring houses had small holes in their rooves, what was flying – roof tiles?
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As I posted earlier on fb. There was an UNCONFIRMED report of 2 men seen leaving an unoccupied house near the blast site carrying something. What was it less than 2 weeks ago a house on the westside blew up from a burglary of an AC coil. Since it was warm yesterday my furnace didn’t kick on until about 10:30 pm. So you had 12 or so hours of gas going into this unoccupied home, The winds would have dispersed the odor quickly so that probably went un-noticed. Then when the furnace kicked on the house and community went boom. You might recall about 10 years ago a house blew up from gas leak in/near Carmel. Prayers for those affected and condolences to those who lost loved ones. PS being trained in CERT [Community Emergency Response Team] will help you prepare in the unfortunate event of a disaster in your community.
I am not sure gas could do this much damage so what else were they putting in?
@Straw44berry
17 Nov, 2012 – 7:29 am
I saw that too.
‘The gendarmerie officers are working around the clock on the case, but it is a hugely complex inquiry.
It spans seven countries; France, Switzerland, Italy, the UK, Sweden and Spain, where Mr al-Hilli’s father had an apartment.’
That’s six countries, so which is the seventh?
‘Mr Maillaud said: “We are looking for unbalanced people – capable of extreme violence.
“People who have access to weapons; hunters, collectors, shooting club members, some of whom could have had psychiatric problems.
“We are searching a huge area stretching into Switzerland and Italy – and that includes a large number of people.”‘
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20373970
Now that’s very interesting. Remember FB’s ‘anniversaire’ notice and the ‘vedettes’not all being in Hollywood?
As well as meaning film star and launch, it means the steward or security guard of a shooting club or firing range.
A shortened BBC World article in Spanish starts:-
[Google translation]In France, police investigating the killing of a British family was vacationing in the Alps now believes he was the victim of a random act of a deranged murderer.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/ultimas_noticias/2012/11/121116_ultnot_francia_familia_britanica_asesinada_jgc.shtml
Still no explanation of how and why the Jewish Agency for Israel’s Oranim program converted William Hershkovitz, a “nice kid” according to people who knew him in New Hyde Park, NY, and students at the state’s New Paltz university, into a raving psychopath who had nightmares of killing and maiming people, pounded on walls after waking up from them, and then threatened to kill fellow students in the program, only to kill his boss in it, and then allegedly commit suicide when he was finally isolated in the kitchen by Israeli security forces after this murder.
“In the panic Mr al-Hilli bolted for his car. He reversed in a u-turn at such speed that perhaps he ran over the fallen Mr Mollier”.
In France, angles must be different as there is no way that car could U turn to that angle !
Mochyn
As i had said in the beginning: they will present us a lunatic with IQ <50 who isnt even capable to know where iraq is. Thats always the case in such preplanned events. 99% of the people will believe their official statement. case closed.
Mochyn
the 7th country is iraq. they simply did not know whether to write iraq or 51st state of the usa, therefore they left it empty.
Straw, thanks for the hint on icke.
http://sfbayview.com/2012/cynthia-mckinney-exposes-soft-repression-political-bullying/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sfbayview+%28San+Francisco+Bay+View%29
Inzeresting and brave woman!
That confirms that you are exposed to threats and killers and even imprisoned for nothing once you become inconvenient for the blatant lies of the billionairs and mobsters who rule us.
Probably SAH and Dion Longworth became inconvinient for them. No risk for national security they were but a risk for the lies of the mobsters who are in power of the world . once upon a day their propaganda lies will be presented with proof.
James
Oh and we forgot to tell you Sylvain’s body also had severe injuries from being driven over but still no blood.