The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@ bluebird 5 Dec, 2012 – 11:09 pm
“Who is the second bluebird? Coincidence? Please verify! Maybe typing error?”
Sorry, Bluebird, it’s me, NR. I must have put your name instead of mine in the name box once, and the comments sections remembers it. I think it is only two comments up above, the ones without the Avitar/Gravitar are NR, not Bluebird.
@Katie
5 Dec, 2012 – 7:09 pm
Good morning, Katie.
Here is what I said:
‘What I hadn’t noticed before is that the SOCO in the white suit on the left hand side of the photo is clearly holding a rectangular black object in his hand, which could just possibly be a bicycle saddle. Whatever it is, it’s just about the size of the span of the SOCO’s gloved hand.’
Here is what you said:
‘Well I have too Straw, I can clearly see their blue gloves but nothing in their hands.
The light coloured saddle shape is a piece of wood on the ground, the policeman in uniform is reaching out for the blue plastic as is the guy in white. Are we looking at the same photo ?’
Notice the difference?
So, being charitable, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were not looking at the same photos. You need to be looking at the Roland Hoskins photos posted over at Icke by Yass as referred to by Straw44berry 5 Dec, 2012 – 10:06 am.
Here’s the link again:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=221659&page=72
Yass’s post no 1439
It would be interesting to know the sequence in which those photos were taken. Please compare the positions of the various police officers and SOCOs and you will see what I mean. In what I assume to be the earlier photo, a policeman is holding what appears to be the tarp folded into a small rectangle, white SOCO is at the drivers door of the BMW. In the next photo, white SOCO is clearly to be seen holding a BLACK object in his left hand with his thumb down, so resting on top of something, whilst the cop in the short sleeves is covering whatever it it with the tarp, whilst the other cop in the blue uniform is holding the vertical brown object in his left hand with his thumb facing up, quite possibly as Tim V suggested another tarp, although to me it appears more solid.
The conundrum is that in neither of these photos is there any sign of a bicycle, so where was it? I can’t see it already on the low loader.
Just trying to make sense of the little physical evidence of the crime scene in the public domain.
@Katie
5 Dec, 2012 – 7:09 pm
Sorry, my bad .. you also need to look at the photos posted on the same page by yesindeed #1427 and just below by wenlock29 #1429.
@All
As I mentioned above, Craig, bless him, is heading off to Baghdad on Sunday to take part in an Arab League conference on Palestinian detainees in Israel.
He says in his article ‘Palestine’:
‘I am off to Baghdad on Sunday for an Arab League conference on Palestinian detainees held in Israel. This is part of my determination to devote more of my time to helping the Palestinian cause. It seems to me we are at a crucial point where the Palestinians are in genuine danger of an accelerated genocide, as Israeli intentions to annex East Jerusalem and the West Bank become ever plainer.’
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/12/palestine/
For those of you interested in the ongoing geopolitical situation which quite probably forms part of the backdrop to the al Hilli case, this is essential reading, along with the comments.
I thoroughly recommend it.
Off Topic: For conspiracy fans this link has many sublinks that relate to 9/11. Too complicated for me to follow, but a few names and places we’ve discussed are in the link descriptions:
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/9-11-money.html?m=1
I recommend this months Sky at Night (Mercury and the Moon) I saw it Monday night about 2 am but not on BBC iPlayer yet.
It includes a piece about Astrium at Stevenage and also about Ion propulsion at Qinetic in Farnborough.
I cant remember what the satellite from Astrium will be doing.
The Sky at Night is on tonight on BBC4 7.30pm
@Mocchyn69
I have been watching for bike’s since the start and so far the only references I have found other than Bm’s is one in a a EM briefing on a video which was being translated into english which doesn’t help with accuracy .
The translator version was that the bike was “thrown in the corner of the parking” and I asked the question on here what would people consider the “corner” .
I thought what I would call the corner is either corner back edge of the layby so in front of the BMW at the sign side or behind it at the final position ,if I was describing a position at the front edge corners I would probably say the edge of the parking and not corner .
There is no sign of the bike in any available photo’s at the scene eventually I found the wrapped bike on the low loader so have assumed that is SM’s bike it could be BM’s but seems unlikely.
I also found a policeman holding a mountain bike at the bottom of the hill where the road closed sign is ,it seems possible that might be BM’s bike and the policeman has been told to look after it whilst Bm is taken for an interview total guesswork though .
Then there is Saad’s bike again no means of knowing for certain but there is a bike shown through the window of the awning at the caravan site when the police are removing stuff at the caravan and an astute photographer zoomed in on it as if to show it in the video .
One other thing I saw an interview with someone who knew SM on one of the news channels quite early on and he said something along the lines of it was normal for Sm to go out 2 or 3 times a week riding his mountain bike I assume training and so I took it to mean he would be on a mountain bike ,I am not sure how it was discovered he was on a racing bike I have not seen a source for that yet.
Thats is all I have found to date but I always keep a look out for something else turning up in pictures or news.
H
http://www.qinetiq.com/news/pressreleases/Pages/GOCE-spacecraft.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_ion_thruster
http://www.qinetiq.com/news/pressreleases/Pages/QinetiQ-ion-propulsion.aspx
The T5 and T6 ion thrusters developed by QinetiQ are ten times more efficient than the chemical engines traditionally used to propel spacecraft making some deep space missions possible for the first time. For ESA’s Bepi Colombo mission to Mercury, the engines make the mission possible by counteracting the sun’s gravitational pull.
Ion thruster and mission to Mercury info
http://www.qinetiq.com/news/pressreleases/Pages/QinetiQ-ion-propulsion.aspx
The T5 and T6 ion thrusters developed by QinetiQ are ten times more efficient than the chemical engines traditionally used to propel spacecraft making some deep space missions possible for the first time. For ESA’s Bepi Colombo mission to Mercury, the engines make the mission possible by counteracting the sun’s gravitational pull.
http://www.qinetiq.com/news/pressreleases/Pages/GOCE-spacecraft.aspx
oops sorry I didnt know the first post had gone , I thought it had crashed so looked it up again same link in both ignore 2nd post perhaps Jon can delete and this one JON .:)
Nope nothing, you must have more pixels than I have, because that left hand of the chap in white,in a blue glove, reaching toward the tarp is in exactly the same stance as the left hand of the uniformed policeman … as a hand would be when reaching to assist with , in this case arranging the tarp.
If I’m wrong then why is the uniformed policeman reaching out too ?
The only photo with anyone clearly holding something is a chap in jeans on the same page, he’s holding what looks like one of those wind proofed fluffy mikes in his right hand behind his back..
………………….So I now give up on that.
I am intrigued by the black circle on the bonnet in Wenlocks 1428 photo though ?
Katie
Are you holding CTRL down & hitting the + key about 8 or 10 times and it enlarging each and every time you press it until you get to 500%?
@Katie
6 Dec, 2012 – 9:38 am
Fair enough, as I agree I couldn’t see much on the pics displayed on my mobile phone.
The black dot on the bonnet of the BMW indicates the width between the wheels, to demonstrate that the skid marks in the right hand side of the car park couldn’t have been caused by the BMW. If that’s right, then the vehicle arching back theory from the other side of the car park won’t wash.
Look again at the positions of the hands. White SOCO is left hand down,as you would be if you were holding a bike by its saddle,blue policeman is hand up as you would be if you were holding up a plank or some similar shaped object. I can definitely detect objects in their hands, as the pixels do cover over the edge of their clothing.
Don’t know what to make of it, but doubt it was a complete bike. It could however be something white SOCO removed from the driver’s side of the car, or a geiger counter, or what!?
I wonder if we can get accurate timings for that series of overhead photos? I think they were originally published in the DM?
Thinking about the Dutch drug and uranium connections ….
Rudi Dekkers was also Dutch and his partner of Venice flight school, too.
I checked a little bit the Dekkers family and see that there are intermarriages with the Bruinsma family.
(Klaas Bruinsma, the drug Lord, killed by the Serbian/Russian drug mafia, was the boyfriend of now almost widowed Princess Mabel Witte Smit).
http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/i-was-a-victim-too-says-author-whose-flight-school-trained-911-terrorists/1187734
For those of you who are interested into international connections where we always see the same names i recommend to store those excellent summaries for future political investigations:
http://scrumpdesign.com/facebook/images/bilderberg.jpg
http://wikispooks.com/ISGP/AppendixA.htm
It is much easier to understand certain events when you see how certain people are connected with each other.
The thing is: all wars and all the killings in this world happen for money, drug market control and weaponry dealing and are organised by approx. 100 people in this world only.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-hsbc-might-pay-1-003229820.html
HSBC money laundering from Arab countries. Now officially confirmed.
Straw , I’ve done that too, CTRL + , no problem enlarging the pic at all & I have to say it’s pretty clear , I’m using a Macbook but still on Leopard which needs an upgrade….
Sorry BB, I just don’t get the drugs connection unless you mean generic medicinal drugs ?
Royal Dutch oil is the nearest I get to Holland, as you saw Mr X received an award from their uni in Amman.
What a farce, he hands over a cheque & they dress him up & give him an award him. LoL.
Regarding strange suicides during the past few days:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/12/decapitated-body-found-in-hospital-garage-was-suicide.html
This is the most weird suicide I had ever heard of. What a farce! Do we know the name of that victim? He must have been a magician or an alien from outer space!
katie:
I am sure that we won’t find official drug connections with Mr.X.
However, my main question had been: Do you know whether or not he was a close to Mr. Soros in his activities? Soros is actually the key in the chain between Mrs. Mabel Wisse Smit and the UK.
I noticed a couple of things on your post Pink
6 Dec, 2012 – 7:25 am
I think you have a good point about the bike “thrown in the corner of the parking”. Trouble is we don’t know how reliable that is. Certainly WBM’s testimony puts the abandoned bike well out in his line of sight, the opposite of being in the back corners, as he says it was the first thing that attracted his attention. This tends to be supported by all the various graphics that were put out and even I would suggest by the position of the blue tarp that must be covering something as it is not used to cover car or bike on the low loader when it leaves.
Then you go on to say: “I thought what I would call the corner is either corner back edge of the layby so IN FRONT OF THE BMW AT THE SIGH SIDE or behind it at the final FINAL POSITION ,if I was describing a position at the front edge corners I would probably say the edge of the parking and not corner.”
I just wondered if this indicates you think the BMW WAS ORIGINALLY AT THE SIGN END and made the tyre marks as suggested by Maillaud? If so I beg to differ.
First it is clear from the marks that the driving wheels, at the rear on that BMW were furthest from the road. In other words that vehicle was facing OUT. If you trace the semi circle from there not only does it not match the BMW’s final position, it would have resulted in the BMW’s final position facing in rather than out, as it was.
Secondly it is also clear from the marks it was four wheel drive as distinct from BMW which is two wheel drive. There is clear evidence of a front off side front wheel spin which can only be caused by 4 wheel drive, In addition there appears a rear wheel lock to the differential as both appear to spin equally.
There also appears to be evidence of soot deposit off centre to the right which I would interpret as being the result of a diesel engine under full throttle taking off at speed supported by wheel spin marks.
So I take the view as previously stated this indicates the attacker’s vehicle and that the Al Hilli’s vehicle was never at the sign end. Of course I could be completely wrong.
As to SM’s bike I have read it was a 5000 euro racer but I don’t know where now. It is supported however by the low loader photo on the LHS (as viewed) where it is possible to make out a very NARROW front wheel/tyre not a broad mountain bike one. This leaves the question open why he would take this route on a racer? He could not have intended to have gone off road on it, or indeed why he appears to have just left it lying rather carelessly on the road.
The prosecutor/police have as with everything been infuriatingly silent on all three bikes. It’s quite baffling why.
Decapitating himself eh Bluebird
6 Dec, 2012 – 3:34 pm? Perhaps he put his head in a door and slammed it very HARD?
Decapitating himself eh Bluebird
6 Dec, 2012 – 3:34 pm? Perhaps he put his head in a door and slammed it very HARD?
++++
Tim V.
The official version was that he hanged himself and that therefore his head was ripped off from his 200 lbs body. I have never heard anything like that to happen, but perhaps he used blank and sharp copper cables?
Anyway, it’s completely off topic. I simply mentioned that because it’s just another very weird “suicide”.
Bluebird:
“Millions of dollars have been bundled and funneled to Obama from George Soros, Tony Rezko, David Axelrod, Auchi and William Ayers, under the “millionaire exception” loopholes. Wake Up! Far Left radicals now control the media outlets and they are attempting to buy the US Presidency. They are furthering their personal agendas by spending their dollars – while Senator Barack Obama is busy making the CHANGE.
George Soros is his best known backer and he and other finanaciers persuaded Obama to run even though he had not plans to do so as he stated in an interview with Tim Russert on Meet the Press.”
it has been Soros goal to take over the USA for some time now and to turn it into another EU with him at the helm. he has put his money where his mouth is and i am sure that he and other speculators have helped to drive up the price of oil to futher destabilize the prices and the dollar so the people will believe that Obama can step in and save them…Obama is mistake free and teflon where the press and his supporters are concerned and nothing this man does or says will change their minds, except for a few who actually…”
Now it seems that our Mr X has the same friends as O.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rezko
The middle man always seems to be Rezco:
http://first-thoughts.org/on/Tony+Rezko/
1. The explanation of the strange decapitated suicide in Los Angeles is that the victim hung himself by jumping from a parking garage but did not know how to do this and made the rope or whatever too long and his head came off. Like what happened to, I think, it was one of Saddam’s sons or high officials, except that was a bad execution.
2. The arson at Mr. Ben Menache’s (spelling?) home in Montreal could be part of many mafia arson fires they are having in that city, everything from grocery markets to rooming houses. They were expecting some sort of mafia wars between Montreal and New York and the Sicilians and Calabrians when former boss Vito Rizzutto got out of a US prison in October and returned vowing to take back not only Montreal but New York too.
3. Re our Mr. X. They said he cloaked himself in charities to make himself invulnerable to criticism. Like what Jimmy Savile did in the UK, and what robber barons in the old US always did – sometimes while they were still doing the robbing and other times waiting until the were old, usually putting the robbed money in a family foundation to pass on, and they only need pay out 5% a year in charitable grants, etc. to keep it legal.
They all share the same passion for Palestine too.
“Obama, Soros create ‘Palestine'( U.S. fund invested with Soros)
WND ^ | February 10, 2011 | Aaron Klein
Posted on 2 March 2011 15:28:08 CEST by opentalk
JERUSALEM – In partnership with a government fund initiated by Barack Obama, philanthropist and billionaire activist George Soros is investing in a private equity company that just launched in the Palestinian territories.
The company, Siraj Fund Management Company, says it was created “for the sole purpose of managing investment funds in Palestine.”
As we know Mr X is an investor in Palestine & a sympathiser.
More on his gagging:
Why Auchi wanted these articles retired from public scrutiny? It turned out that Auchi had contributed $3.5 million to President Obama Presidential campaign via Tony Rezko. Rezko was indicted for corruption in 2008. Consequently, the British court ordered the published article retired from circulation. Eight articles were deleted, among them 3 in the The Guardian and one in The Daily Telegraph.
For example, if WikiLeaks didn’t publish the 400, 000 leaked documents, the information on the Task Force 373 with order to assassinate 2,000 individuals on a list, would have certainly be erased for ever… Examples of killing documents abound, even during ancient times.
Obama:
From the Center for Responsive Politics he accepted $160,000 from major oil companies, Exxon, Shell, Chevron, BP and others. Two of his top bundlers George Kaiser and Robert Cavnar are CEO’s for major oil companies. Last month, Obama accepted another $8400 from ExxonMobile, $12,370 from Chevron and $6500 from British Petroleum.
He has done nothing but lie. He is a phoney. Ask him about all the characters in his life, not just Biil Ayers, the terrorist or Tony Rezko, but Rashid Khalidi, Ali Abunimah, Nadhim Auchi, these are all pro palestinian activists. But we are not supposed to question the great one. Do yourself a favor and try investigative reporting.
Glenn Greenwald: Obama’s Secret Kill List “The Most Radical Power a Government Can Seize”
http://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php?topic=11721.0
Here you are BB, AIG in Palestine, head quarters Ramallah, called an ‘insurance’ co, it looks like a do all company to me, so along with Soros X is heavily invested there:
”
About AIG
http://aig.ps/index.php
At AIG, we strive to lead in the Palestinian insurance market while contributing to the development of the Palestinian community. The Ahleia Insurance Group was first established in 1994 under the name Gaza Ahleia Insurance Company.”
http://aig.ps/executives.php
NR
1. I am quite sure that this is what it is with the too long rope. It may happen at times.
That guy was running a construction company but he was married into a rich Jewish family in Capistrano Beach (Pease). A few months ago he was in police custody. However, I am too dumb to find out why. I am inexperienced with mugshots.
http://mugshot-catalog.com/booking/656639/MARK-HATELEY
However, I am pretty sure that this is 100% off topic. It was just some “fun” to mention about how many weird suicides there are during the past few days.
NR
2. Ben Menashe has many enemies.
# 1 is certainly Zimbabwes opposition leader Tsvangirai whom he messed up by filming him when he said that he is going to kill Mugabe and giving him $ 400.000 for doing so and Tsvangirai telling on hidden camera about how he is planning to do that. Immediately after filming, Ben Menashe is sending that tape to Mugabe.
So yes, the Zimbabwe opposition, supported by the UK (who want Mugabe dead rather earlier than later), has huge problems now to explain that tape at court.
I believe that they are his # 1 enemies. But then there is Mossad who is said to be his former employee. Then there are some other African countries for whom he didn’t deliver wheat although it was paid for. He did also charge Belowrussia for wheat that he didn’t deliver. Rumours said that instead of wheat he did deliver “wheap(ons)”. It was just a misunderstanding on bad phone lines since both sounds similar.
Ben Menashe has a lot of enemies. I don’t think that the Mafia is his #1 enemy.
UK is pretty much more upset about him.
@Bluebird:
Don’t worry. These things are perfectly normal.
http://austriantimes.at/news/General_News/2009-10-21/17423/British_nuclear_expert_dies_in_40-metre_plunge
http://www.eutimes.net/2010/05/murder-of-russian-scientist-at-us-weapons-lab-sparks-2012-fear
Surviving family members in these types of incidents would be wise to be mindful of their own personal security:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Hampton
I wonder how far that investigation progressed:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229836/Sister-British-UN-death-plunge-scientist-rescues-evidence-destruction-bid-disprove-suicide-theory.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlTTcooIR84 you say:
“1. The explanation of the strange decapitated suicide in Los Angeles is that the victim hung himself by jumping from a parking garage but did not know how to do this and made the rope or whatever too long and his head came off. Like what happened to, I think, it was one of Saddam’s sons or high officials, except that was a bad execution.”
Albert Pierrepoint was the most efficient executioner in British history partly because he was master of the calculation to determine the length of “the drop”. There was “outrage” at the fact that Saddam’s half-brother Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti was decapitated at his hanging whether by accident or design.
Of course making this sort of mistake is of itself no guarantee it was self inflicted. It could just have easily been done to him. Indeed the question must arise why go to that trouble on a building when you could just jump off it?
Sorry about the You Tube link there. Certainly wasn’t intended (but it is very nice to listen to)! It was meant to be NR
6 Dec, 2012 – 4:51 pm. Sorry NR.