The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
I converted to french and back again and got this I am no Miss Marple anyone got any ideas ?
“When SM comes to car Martinet, he is lost. He looks at the map is informative. He decided to turn back. At this moment something happens. Perhaps an accident. It is provable that the assassins were under the influence of drink lunch too. Killers are recognizables. What will they do? Because they are recognizables.”
“And what will they do when the al-hilli return to parking? Because they are recognizables.”
“Just as Sm arrives and reads the map something occurs “.
That fits with what Max says on his timeline that nothing happened until Sm arrived.
“maybe an accident ” what sort of accident can they mean ?
“the assassins ” so more than one.
Have been drinking at lunchtime.
“And what will they do when the al-hilli return to parking?
Its someone that SAH will recognise .
Perhaps he saw them when he went past the barrier for whatever reason that points to ONF and motorbike or did he visit someone past the barrier .
@Holmes PT
Où avaient-ils bu?
@ James 30 Dec, 2012 – 6:45 pm
“Bluebird : Your comments from sometime back are ringing ever true.
There is a wee war going on there within America. Was Al hilli a pawn in this ???”
Bits from aangirfan:
Note they never mention the Kennedys. Old Joe, mobbed up and a Nazi sympathizer; a family as corrupt and depraved as all the other elites.
@Tim
I can’t buy into SAH doing something as dangerous as you suggest with his family in tow .
I could see him doing some investigating if he had found something of interest in that neck of the woods or he could have been tailed and drove up the lane to lose them thats a possibility but the builders say he was not followed.
What could take him past the barrier that would be of interest checking another way out ?
If he was not being followed was he following someone?
@ bluebird 30 Dec, 2012 – 1:12 pm
“NR : The thing with the wrong pictures and the non existinv witnesses isnt always a conspiracy but bad media work. We dont have good journalism since a while. It is copy/paste and fake setup in particular. Governments use bad journalism in that they are adding crises actors, fake scenarios and internet clean teams, updating the past of involved people.”
We’re all complicit in this “new” news environment. Short attention spans, constant bombardment with every kind of media, and when a major event happens – a natural disaster, Chevaline, Sandy Hook – the MSM covers it to saturation, and soon everyone says enough already, something fresh please.
Bad news sells, good news doesn’t, and the consumers of news are like kids around a campfire, loving someone telling them horror stories.
Next day they demand their government/parents do something – anything – to prevent such a terrible thing every happening again. Plus old persons use the bad news to try to exert ever greater control over the young; good luck with that.
Real investigative reporting is prohibitively expensive, and even in times when it was feasible – subsidized by the entertainment profits of the TV networks, for example – it was still difficult to get anything controversial, outside of the centrist view, into the MSM.
The late William Colby, Ex-CIA-Director said, “we own everyone of significance in every major media”.
This is from The Secret Covenant of Masonic Illuminati (anti-semetic, maybe written by the Czar’s secret police, so who knows if true, but the methods would work even if not done by Masons):
@ Bluebird – “Btw: The tilted female heads in portrait photography is no conspiracy (off topic)”
Who would have though there are masculine and feminine head tilts for portrait pics. Every trade has it’s tricks, like metallurgy. I think the angle of inclination of female head tilt has increased in recent years, crossing from coquettish to ho-ish. Worthy of a government funded study by Phds.
More Golden Dawn / OTO / Illuminati stuff:
I’ll bet being related to old Aleister would open doors in Hollywood or at the Jet Propulsion Lab.
@ Tim V 30 Dec, 2012 – 10:27 pm
“The point of all this etymology is that the location is very unlikely to have been chosen by the VICTIMS. It would HAVE to be chosen by the killers if it was intended to incorporate a dark nuance to the message and proceedings. In turn this would HAVE to involve longterm planning, perhaps weeks months or even years. this would also rule out the accidental criminal or mad killer.”
If it involved years of planning then the 2007 song, “Under The Gun” by the Polish band Chevaline could have clues! But I can’t find the lyrics.
The building at 55 Princes Gate is owned by some British-Polish Association and there is a Polish restaurant there – a most excellent meeting place for spies.
They would serve perogies, of course, but I wonder if they do Polish sausages flambéd in vodka, and cabbage rolls called something like galoushkis. I’ve accidentally decided on a New Year Eve feast.
Pink.
Is it possible that SM is lost ?
He is a “local” man. A local cyclist. A hillclimbing specialist.
Tim the time keeper.
Laurent says the BMW passed at 14.40 (not 14.30 or 15.00 as was previously stated).
Why now, reported days later was he more specific. How ?
If we take this time as correct, then it conflicts with the French investigation (the 15.15 picture at Arnand) and confirms WBM statement (or rather omission) with regard sighting (or not)the BMW.
Conversely, if we take the “Arnand picture” as correct, then there is a conflict with both LFR and WBM.
If we “assume” that what WBM and LFR state is true, then SAH arrived at the carpark at (lets say) 14.45 and WBM heard no shoots…but was insight of SM (ahead of him) at some point “during” his ride..and arrived at the carpak at 15.45 (approx).
Then could be that the “15.15 picture” would serve well as a “trap” ?
As in, do (or did) the police suspect that the killer(s) where at the carpark at around 15.15, but departed…and an “alibi” could be that SAH was yet to arrive ?
At 15.30 the “young giant” on the 125 trials bike said he heard shots fired. How ?
Was he wearing a helmet? Was the engine running? Was he stationary or moving? Where was he located?
His father, cutting a hedge, also heard shots fired at 15.30.
Who else heard shots fired ?
Here I am trying to cover every angle, from conspiracy, through to “murder most foul”. And to examine the reasons why accounts presented in reportage differ so widely.
@ Pink 31 Dec, 2012 – 4:44 am
The Free Electron Laser is just another method of producing a powerful electromagnetic beam (microwave / light / x-rays) that could be used to destroy something (satellite / missile / aircraft / people).
@ James 30 Dec, 2012 – 2:41 pm
“I also note tha there was on here a remark concerning Susan Rice and her recently withdrawn application o “higher office”. Wonder why that commet was made ? Wonder why she withdrew ? Was it Susan’s comments at the U.N. concerning Israel?”
@ Ricky Tarr 30 Dec, 2012 – 2:52 pm
“Benghazi mission attack that was not a consulate but a gun running centre run by The CIA to send guns u to Syria!”
@ Tim V 31 Dec, 2012 – 12:23 am
“Claude Moniquet, former spy for the French secret intelligence service accuses Western intelligence agencies of smuggling arms to Syria.”
If it’s true the Benghazi consulate was a CIA arms smuggling place, there is good reason they don’t want Susan Rice or Hillary Clinton to testify under oath. Remember, in American politics the big scandals all come just after the president is reelected.
It is just said now that Hillary is in the hospital for a blood clot. We should all hope and pray for her speedy recovery so we can hear her honest testimony. And hope it is not a situation like in old Russia where government leaders would be announced to have “a bad cold”.
Off Topic: There is a new bit of info in the Gareth William’s case in England after two years:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2254903/Body-bag-MI6-spy-Gareth-Williams-mystery-links-Kazakh-oligarch.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9770652/Body-in-the-bag-spy-Gareth-Williams-and-his-mystery-links-to-Kazakh-oligarch.html
The DM piece is extracted from the Telegraph one and puts a slightly more lurid and pro MI6 slant on the story.
A Happy New Year to all,
Bonne année et bonne santé,
NR the only consulate the US had was a newly opened consulate in Tripoli, this was not a consulate at all but a hired villa with a CIA annex a mile away by road.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51346
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51400
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51679
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51470
The attackers where Iranian and is all part of the current secret war taking place in the region, why do you think Turkey is such a hive of activity for the CIA, MI6 and special forces. What I dont get is why the CIA would be providing weapons to AL Qaeda units in Syria!
http://www.tlaxcala.es/pp.asp?lg=en&reference=7613
NR
No wonder the MI6 was going after the Kazah mafia. However, the Kazahs mafia are a CIA asset and they would not want the MI6 to interfere.
There aee a few links regarding the money laundering and bribing cases of those people in Belgium, Austria and USA. All lawsuits were dropped due to their CIA support.
Read those links and you will understand why Williams was killed. There are a few names in London we had already discussed here, like Lord Sykes and Belgian Pharma GSK (Baligant).
This is a CIA/mafia network regarding Kazahstan and world wide mining and money laundering. Many dead bodies are ornaments of their pathways.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/mining/8714576/Sir-Paul-Judge-makes-bid-to-be-ENRC-chairman.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/londonbased-oligarchs-face-cash-probe-555761.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/06/world/asia/06aliyev.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
http://www.mainjustice.com/justanticorruption/2010/11/19/in-stunning-end-to-kazakh-bribe-case-judge-lauds-giffen-as-a-patriot/
This is the CIA reality. They work for the rich and for the billionaires. CIA has two rival branches. Those who work for Bush, billionaires and mafia and the other remaining agents who still believe that they work for the people.
That is why there are two rival CIAs.
I had to smil regarding Ricki Tarrs question why CIA would support Al Qaida. Al Qaida is CIA. They are CIA mercenaries. Feel free to bet for whom of the two CIAs they are working.
Blue.
Agree. Was about to say that in answer to Ricky’s question.
It depends on who’s CIA they were/are.
I Wonder why Hilary’s in Hospital!
Did anyone see the post on Twitter:
4h True Crime Inc @wensleyclarkson
Expect new developments early in 2013 re Al-Hilli shootings in France.#franceshooting
Well if developments mean nothing like the Gareth Williams case “oh yeah he actually did lock himself in the bag” useless! what a shame for his family!
Happy new year and lets hope for some truth in 2013!
More on CIA man Giffin who apparently laundered hundreds of millions for Bush and Cheney in Switzerland to Kazahstan by using Geneve private bank Pictet.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/swiss.html
http://oilandglory.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/08/06/james_giffens_trial_ends_a_slap_on_the_wrist_and_the_triumph_of_american_putinism
http://www.fcpablog.com/blog/2009/7/15/james-giffen-and-americas-secrets.html
Law is different for different people. Some are standing above the law and they can do whatever they want. This is a scandal.
Blue…
On the oil front, oh how I laughed when GKP trumped the “US Army/Oil exploration Inc” with Kurdistan Regional Government.
Jeez they were p***ed at that one.
They had the war all nice and set up, got the big guy out of the way…and a “penny stock” company runs in and nicks the prize !
No big rigs need there, The crust is so thin you can stick your finger through the crust.
Of course the KSA was also pee’d off as there is some speculation that the oil they are getting, is from the Kurdistan “pool”.
That’ll teach Mr H to “try” to quote Iraqi oil in Euros.
…but no one saw GKP fly in…and sign that deal.
Guthrie is more linked to Williams than media would tell us (or jnow)
http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/908037215
(already dissovled in 2002).
This is her father, a wealthy man with family links both to Goldman Sachs and Lehmann Brt
Now lets see what Enigma really is:
http://chris-intel-corner.blogspot.co.at/2012/08/enigma-security-measures.html?m=1
Does that fit to Williams? I bet that it does fit mote than significant.
Here is a blog knowing a bit more of Williams:
http://thedisclosureproject-steelmagnolia.blogspot.co.at/2012/04/mi6-gareth-williams-vital-evidence-that.html?m=1
NB Boeing – “FEL technology is being evaluated by the US Navy as a good candidate for an anti aircraft and missile directed-energy weapon. Significant progress is being made in raising FEL power levels (the Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility’s FEL has demonstrated over 14 kW)[17] and it should be possible to build compact multi-megawatt class FEL weapons.[18] On June 9, 2009 the Office of Naval Research announced it had awarded Raytheon a contract to develop a 100 kW experimental FEL.[19] On March 18, 2010 Boeing Directed Energy Systems announced the completion of an initial design for U.S. Naval use.[20] A prototype FEL system has since been demonstrated with a full-power prototype scheduled by 2018.[21]”
sorry source for that pink @ 4 44 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-electron_laser
Pink
31 Dec, 2012 – 5:10 am difficult to understand eh Pink but I think it is someone just theorizing what MIGHT have happened. Nothing to support it so really no more significant that. What I fail to understand is how the press without i think exception, bought and promulgated the story that the very obvious tyre marks were caused by Al Hilli’s BMW? Nothing, I think could be further from the truth.
@James
He might not be lost but at the wrong meeting point it has always been a bit unclear which direction he came from early on it was from behind the sign and then later up the combe d’ire but there is only BM who says that ,we can’t trust EM or BM as things stand .
I don’t have any answers I can speculate if he came up the Ire then maybe he should have taken a left before the layby and
IF its true his GF went to look for him at the bottom then he must have been lost after that point ,I am not sure I trust that info though it came a bit late,and as was pointed out at the time why would she look for him anyway he was grown man who rode several times a week , unless she had reason to be concerned like some prior knowledge ,why would she look for him?
The builders only saw SAH on their road.
I would think we are on fairly safe ground with Melvin on his 125 he was ducking and diving cos he was riding illegally fair enough but he has no reason to lie about what he heard unless his dad is suss.
I don’t know about ONF and whether they can be trusted if they can then they didnt see BM or SM ,they did see a motorbike.
James:
Is it possible that SM is lost ?
He is a “local” man. A local cyclist. A hillclimbing specialist.
I am listening to what Holmes is saying I don’t know if he actually does know anything but it can do no harm to take note we have precious little else .
Now he says he doesn’t speak english I have a problem because I checked what I would write to him in english in google translate and it comes up with all sorts of rubbish and even complete opposite of what I wanted to say so I decided not too and just asked a simple question .
I am not sure how to get around that, if he is french then I am sure we have some french speakers here perhaps one of you would like to ask him that question, if its french then it would be easier if he wrote in that and someone here translated for us as google is hopeless.
Pink
31 Dec, 2012 – 7:31 am what evidence is there that SAH “went past the barrier” as you say? As far as I am aware the signage and barrier is further up from where his car was found. There is nothing to suggest he went beyond this point.
As to SAH and his family there must be a logical reason for them all being together. All the evidence points to SAH being a caring father. He MUST also have been very aware of risks and been cautious. This makes his trip to lonely Martinet even less explicable than even a normal tourist ending up there as the local farmer commented. “Not a normal place for tourists to go” or words to that effect.
Nect point if we are to believe the builders and individuals who heard shots, and I do, the Al Hilli’s not only went to this remote spot but parked up there for AT LEAST half an hour before the shots were heard. There is absence of any evidence of picnic or exploration on foot, which precludes the possibility this was a mistake, or they would have turned round immediately and gone back wouldn’t they?
Now if he was in a remote place, with his family we must assume first it was for a specifically arranged meeting AND that it was SAFE to do so. Who could he have arranged to meet? Well the options are rather obvious really. We can state with some certainty that it was either SM, WBM, the killers or someone else! (Or any combination of the foregoing) My view is that it was primarily one or both of the last two. Clearly SAH didn’t THINK he would be meeting killers so either unknown to him he was dealing with them pretending not to be – to be someone else, or his dealings with the intended party were monitored by the killers, and replaced by them. My view is that SM was somehow party to the meet but not the initiator of it. I believe his attendance was orchestrated as part of the plot, and he was target in equal, if not primary, measure.
Why do I think the meeting was not primarily between SAH and SM? Because there would have been a million better ways in which they could have met clandestinely with little chance of being monitored. Nor would SAH have needed his family with him to do so. SM was obviously important to the meet though, and ominously the killing couldn’t proceed without him. A passing cyclist DOES NOT GET SHOT FIRST! Indeed if the target were the Al Hillis and no one else, it would have been quite easy to let him pass. If he was shot for observing, it is a statement of the obvious that he would HAVE to have been shot AFTER. We now know from the blood splashes, that Sylvain, Saad and Zaid were TOGETHER presumably talking. This was not, and never could have been what the police told us, just an accidental encounter between a passing cyclist and a killer. Nor for that matter do I conclude that WBM was meeting SAH or a target of the hit squad, or he surely would have been killed as they retreated. I am however equally certain he is not a wholly unrelated party to events for the reasons previously enumerated.
So what could have led SAH to this remote spot with all connotations of nomenclature previously discussed. Obviously he either did not spot their significance or thought them co-incidental, even expected if he was involved in clandestine activity. If we assume he was working for British Intelligence we must assume he was encouraged to go ahead with the meeting believing it was safe. If Saad was duped so was MI6.
Saad could have left his family behind for a meeting. Presumably he thought they were safer with him. His passports were out and on the floor to prove who they were. He was yearning to return to Iraq his cousin(?) stated. Sylvain is trying to obtain British citizenship. His mother-in-law has moved from Sweden to Britain and thence to France. Everyone is in a state of flux it seems. Did the meeting with his killers purport to facilitate this in which to convince, they may have required all the family members to be there with means of identification.
I am quite sure the clever Saad with all his family’s experience of high politics and subterfuge, would have gone to that place unless the circumstances of the meeting there were imposed upon him. The only thing that makes sense is that under some guise (“wolf in sheeps clothing” in a place where wolves are specifically protected by the French State perhaps?) they were lured to their deaths in the most obvious and proclamatory way possible.
If there was a green forestry vehicle in the vicinity (as described by WBM and confirmed by EM) what better vehicle from which to spring the unexpected attack and escape un-noticed. It might have been there all along parked up awaiting the arrival of SM rather like the wolf waiting for its prey. What could be more natural?
Star for you NR
31 Dec, 2012 – 8:46 am for summing up media situation so well. woever planned this one wanted a splash but didn’t expect the ripples to take so long to die down. I hope to god there are one or two journos and editors out there prepared to pick up the baton and run with it. They’ve obviously been warned not to rock the boat lads up to now and been prepared to tow the line. (that’s enuff boating metaphors. Ed.)
James
Here is something that might explain the different CIAs.
CIA apparently outsourced assassinations to Blackwater. Blackwater therefore could contract third parties for assassinations. “legal” assassinations conducted by private companies!
http://m.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/07/the-terrifying-background-of-the-man-who-ran-a-cia-assassination-unit/259856/
Here is another plot giving some ideas regarding different CIA interests.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/10/14/266560/benghazi-attack-cia-mafia-in-action/
And here is some background regarding fake al Qaida activities that can be linked to CIA and Mossad.
As a matter of fact, there is no reason to believe what the governments and their billionairs dependent media are trying to tell us.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fakealqaeda.php
Hopefully a peaceful new year with more honesty and fewer lies and less theft by our governments will appear.
My wishful thinking for 2013 would be less lemmings and more critical voices who are trying hard to find the truth.
@Tim I am choosing to believe that he went past the barrier and looking for reasons that might have been the case ie checking out the refuge’s ,looking to buy cheese ,checking out the view ,following someone ,looking at a property just to see if any of these lead somewhere ,now supposing Holmes is right and he is not the first to say that SAH went past the barrier, I have seen it on a french forum too ,then maybe some local knowledge indicates this.
It does not mean that’s what did happen I am just exploring the idea.
I would like to establish Holmes first language and then ask him to write in that what he means by ,”Maybe an accident”and whether the Genesis 1.3 is just a quote or related to Free Electron Laser.
If it is related the it cuts out a few options and probably rules in BM who has to be top of the sus list.
I would appreciate someone who writes and reads french asking Holmes to see if we can establish a trustworthy way to communicate.
What is a bit crazy is the matter of fact that you could employ your own CIA agent if you wish.
http://www.lasorsa.ws/North-Carolina/Buncombe-county/Enigma/security-speaker.php
The pity is the matter of fact that our intelligence services and our military are using private contractors. As soon as that happens, demicracy loses control and they will work for those who are paying and funding most money. On the other hand, these private companies and their mercenaries stand above law and they can kill and steal without any kind of fear from law enforcement.
Whether or not they are ex contractors, they are above law and often they are accepted killers and drug dealers and money launderers. See re. Giffin case above.
Probably off topic but very interesting stuff:
http://decryptedmatrix.com/live/william-coopers-behold-a-pale-horse-book-foretold-schoolyard-shootings/
NR, I fixed that dodgy tag – it’s /i, rather than i/ 🙂
I believe I’ve fixed the bug here, by the way. It’s a bit sluggish, but at least it appears not to be breaking its memory limits now.
Bluebird, you mentioned back in November (I just happened to come across your comment just now) that our memory woes would be a legitimate bug, rather than spooky goings-on. That’s absolutely correct: the bug is an old one, and they’re still discussing it. However, I suspect not many WP users have 10K+ threads like we do!