The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Thanks Oui/Pink @5.56
I believe that this the route SM’s father in-law suggested and why he would be there. 40 km & Total climbs >1500m
http://www.vttour.fr/topos/col-de-cherel,1076.html
What time do we think SM was ‘late’and being asked about by CS?
I know the timing was talked about at one time Strawberry on one of the main forums you might find it with a search, I am guessing it would be after 4.00pm if she arrived and the road was already blocked I can’t remember seeing a specific time mentioned anywhere that comes to mind.
I think the story got a bit muddled along the way and I read quite a few takes on it .
The one I have assumed is correct but might not be is that CS went to look for SM and got stopped by the roadblock then the police asked her to take a photograph to the police station.
The Mirror (Today)
“A motorcyclist spotted by a British witness near the scene of a massacre was yesterday revealed as the main suspect.
The biker was seen riding from the area by ex-RAF serviceman Brett Martin, 53, just before he found a British family and a cyclist dead in a remote lay-by in the French Alps.
Mr Martin said the rider was in a full-face helmet and black clothes, and the engine may have been white.
It matches descriptions given by a farmer and forest workers four miles from the September shooting in Chevaline, near Lake Annecy.
Prosecutor Eric Maillaud urged the motorcyclist to “make himself known as soon as possible”.
French police yesterday confirmed that – despite numerous appeals – neither the motorcycle nor its rider has been traced.
Mr Martin had been riding his mountain bike up a steep road above the French village of Chevaline when he arrived at Le Martinet car park at about 3.30pm.” END.
So what’s new? (You couldn’t make this stuff up!) So now it’s another “man in black on a white(!!!) machine”. “We know you are the murderer with manners, so if I ask you nicely to come in for a life in prison, I’m quite confident you will”!!!!
THEN … please notice WBM’s time of arrival now. From 4 to 3.45 to 3.15 to (surprise, surprise) “at about 3.30pm.” And how if the arrival time was 3.30 (as I have kept saying) could Maillaud have kept saying for so long that he made the intial call at 3.48?
CAN’T SOMEONE AT THE MIRROR AT LEAST POSE THE QUESTION?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mystery-biker-is-prime-suspect-french-1533046
A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma
..as the saying goes.
So who was closest to the carpark at the time of the killing ?
Lambert passing by ?
Martin arriving minutes later ?
Didierjean meeting Martin on the road (running with his bike ??)
Fillion-Robin at the bottom (ish) of the route ?
If you take what is reported, then these are the people (ranked in distance) that are closest to the scene.
And not one has a consistent story between them.
Lambert passing by ?
Martin making the first call ?
Didierjean hiking in his car ?
Fillion-Robin and 2.30pm / 3.00pm / 2.40pm ?
Jeez ! If I were a policeman and I wanted to publish a lie… I’d say nada…and let “the press” do their thing !
Another couple of little problems: if as now seems to be the official line WBM arrived at 3.30 – this is PRECISELY when the shots were heard. It confirms what I have previously suggested, if correct, WBM was on scene when the shooting took place! Second problem now the story about meeting Didierjean doesn’t work unless they bring that forward by at least 20 minutes AND change the script. Watch this space.
bb 1.45 “Red October’s Advanced Cyber-espionage Network: The attackers have been active since at least 2007 and have been focusing on diplomatic and governmental agencies of various countries across the world, in addition to research institutions, energy and nuclear groups, and trade and aerospace targets. The Red October attackers designed their own malware, identified as “Rocra,” that has its own unique modular architecture comprised of malicious extensions, info-stealing modules and backdoor Trojans.”
NB “Targets”
That’s another red clue, Tim V.
NR @ 5.56 Reuters report today: Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:59am EST
* U.S. cited Chinese potential to target satellites at higher orbits
* Non-profit group said new Chinese anti-satellite test likely soon
* United States has conducted its own anti-satellite work
By Andrea Shalal-Esa
WASHINGTON, Jan 14 (Reuters) – The United States is concerned about China’s expanding ability to disrupt the most sensitive U.S. military and intelligence satellites, as Beijing pursues its expanded ambitions in space, according to multiple sources in the U.S. government and outside space experts.
A classified U.S. intelligence assessment completed late last year analyzed China’s increasing activities in space and mapped out the growing vulnerability of U.S. satellites that provide secure military communications, warn about enemy missile launches and provide precise targeting coordinates, said the sources, who were not authorized to speak publicly.
“It was a very credible and sobering assessment that is now provoking a lot of activities in different quarters,” said one former government official who is familiar with U.S. national security satellite programs.
The intelligence report raised red flags about Beijing’s ability to disrupt satellites in higher orbits, which could put the most sensitive U.S. spacecraft at risk, according to the sources. China has already conducted several anti-satellite tests at lower orbital levels in recent years.
Given the heightened concerns, Washington is keeping a watchful eye on Chinese activities that could be used to disrupt U.S. satellites. It is also urging Beijing to avoid a repeat of its January 2007 test that created an enormous amount of “space junk,” said one senior defense official.”
Now link to this BBC report from 2011 – “By Jonathan Amos
Science correspondent, BBC News
The DMC-3 satellites will see details less than a metre across
Continue reading the main story
Related Stories
UK leads space disaster charter
UK to launch three new spacecraft
‘Crisis satellite’ returns images
Chinese and UK companies have agreed a deal that will result in three high-resolution Earth observation spacecraft being built to map China’s extraordinary growth from orbit.
The deal was penned between Guildford satellite imagery provider DMCii and Beijing-based company 21AT.
It means DMCii can now roll out its new constellation of spacecraft that will picture details on the surface of the planet less than a metre wide.
They should be ready to launch in 2014.
For 21AT (Twenty First Century Aerospace Technology Company Ltd), it means it can have ready access to Earth imagery without the worry of having to launch and operate satellites in orbit.
The Chinese company will take 100% of the capacity of the three spacecraft over an initial contract period of seven years. Day-to-day use of the data will be handled by 21AT subsidiary, BLMIT.
It will use the pictures to monitor land use and land-cover changes. In particular, the data will enable regional governments to plan better the extraordinary rate of development in China’s cities.
The satellites for the DMC-3 constellation, as it is called, will be manufactured by DMCii’s parent company, Surrey Satellite Technology Limited (SSTL). It will cost some £110m to build, launch and insure these platforms.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13946179
Do we need a better explanation?
“The Hunt for Red October” was a movie starring ex-James Bond Sean Connery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunt_for_Red_October_%28film%29
Oh and of course what I have pointed out before and now apparently confirmed – if WBM is now said to arrive at precisely the same time as three witnesses heard shots, how could he have failed to have with only the sound of water, birds and wind in the trees? Arriving at 3.45 it was unlikely. Arriving at 3.30 it’s quite impossible. So either WBM is telling the truth and there were no shots and the three witnesses were lying or heard unrelated ones; or WBM is lying now and then.
Or is it just the latest example of British Intelligence putting another spoke in the French/American/Israeli wheel?
Tim v
More info on red october plus the targetted countries and a nice graphic about what exactly was a target (government, military, nuclear, industry, etc.)
http://m.threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/rocra-espionage-malware-campaign-uncovered-after-five-years-activity-011413
Specialists say that it has a relation to the 2010 Aurora attack. (I was surprised that there was an attack in 2010 called “Aurora”).
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora
What’s so special about Aurora? What does it mean? Is it a kind of declination for “Gold”? Does anybody know the special meaning of the name “Aurora” ?
OK
I answered the above question to myself.
Aurora: the goddess of dawn
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(mythology)
It also indirectly confirms this was an Intelligence operation. Why? Because if WBM was actually on scene when the shooting took place it is even more remarkable he also was not shot. It confirms to me this was a targetted killing NOT the act of a lone mad gunman and WBM was either not targetted and protected. What criminal this brutal would leave a witness unless under specific instructions not to?
Aurora…is an aircraft.
And it doesn’t exist. Well, they say that.
But it’s the new U2 and Blackbird.
And it doesn’t exist !
There is a historic link between “Red October” and Aurora.
This is getting scary now, simply because i don’t trust so many coincidences:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution
Quote:
Start signal for the October Revolution “Red October” in 1917:
An assault led by Vladmir Lenin was launched at 9:45 p.m. signaled by a blank shot from the cruiser Aurora. (The Aurora was placed in Petrograd and still stands there now.)
You notice Bluebird
15 Jan, 2013 – 12:11 am that Britain, Canada and Scandinavian countries seems to have escaped?
@ bluebird 15 Jan, 2013 – 12:11 am
“Tim v : More info on red october plus the targetted countries and a nice graphic about what exactly was a target (government, military, nuclear, industry, etc.)
http://m.threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/rocra-espionage-malware-campaign-uncovered-after-five-years-activity-011413
Specialists say that it has a relation to the 2010 Aurora attack. (I was surprised that there was an attack in 2010 called “Aurora”).
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aurora
What’s so special about Aurora? What does it mean? Is it a kind of declination for “Gold”? Does anybody know the special meaning of the name “Aurora” ?”
“Labs discovered that “Aurora” was part of the file path on the attacker’s machine that was included in two of the malware binaries McAfee said were associated with the attack. “We believe the name was the internal name the attacker(s) gave to this operation,” McAfee Chief Technology Officer George Kurtz said in a blog post.”
Many things are named in filepaths: “fahfahmah” and “annayourkinrussian” in places you wouldn’t at all expect to find them. In video tags too.
“More than 55,000 connections were made to the sinkhole from close to 250 IP addresses. Most of those IP addresses were in Switzerland, Kazakstan, Greece and Belarus; there are victims in 39 countries.”
@ bluebird 15 Jan, 2013 – 12:15 am
“OK I answered the above question to myself. Aurora: the goddess of dawn”
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(mythology)
The Thelemic Order of the Golden Dawn, also called the New Order of the Golden Dawn (Novus Ordo Aurora Aurea)
http://www.thelemicgoldendawn.net
This is the mystical, magikical, Kabbalistic, Rosicruican group that allegedly gave rise to Aleister Crowley the Ordo Templi Orientis, Ordo Draconis, Satanist Anton LeVey, The Church of the Process and possibly L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. Much dispute about all of that. True Golden Dawners claim Crowley bastardized their ideas.
http://voices.yahoo.com/a-brief-history-golden-dawn-356957.html?cat=9
Blood Sacrifice at Aurora, The London Olympics & 007
http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=21317
Don’t know if this group is related to above. They’re extreme right-wing and violent. “Controversial Greek nationalist party opens in Montreal.”
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2012/10/11/montreal-golden-dawn-canadian-chapter.html
@ Bluebird @ Tim V @ Q + whoever’s interested in name coincidences:
Aurora Cyberconflict Research Group : One of the self-promoting loony nutters who was instrumental in faking / narking / outing Bradley Manning via AOL IM “chat logs” belongs to this group (and 50 others).
Aurora browser – part of Onion – for browsing Tor.
For the Canadian maritime patrol aircraft, see Lockheed CP-140 Aurora.
Polish air force Ilyushin IL-28 ( N.A.T.O. code name “Butcher”).
crimso.msk.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft19947.htm
“One group received the code name “horse”, the other – “Mother”….Both groups had acted completely independently and did not know about each other. And the task before them were different.”
“On that day, Ramon [Mercader] came armed with a pistol at the villa, ice ax and a knife hidden in the jacket lining.”
“May 6, 1960 Ramon was released. After he arrived in Cuba to the USSR, where the June 8, he was awarded the Gold Star.”
“Dust Mercader rests on Kuntsevskaya cemetery under the name Ramon I. Lopez, Hero of the Soviet Union.”
http://the100.ru/en/special-operations/removing-trotsky.html
Remember, the Russians vowed to send a “Mercader” after whoever blew redheaded Anna Chapman’s cover in the US. One theory was Gareth Williams was somehow mixed up in outing Chapman.
“Luka”/Pastelnyak was to continue “working in the United States as assistant station chief.” Pastelnyak – code name Luka – was the controller in New York for the assassination of Trotsky.
“In 1998, a German parliamentary commission concluded that Kokkalis was recruited by Stasi in 1963 and regularly provided information to the agency under the code name “Rocco.””
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2003/3/14/ksg-donor-accused-of-espionage-a/
There’s the Black September terrorists, who precede Red October.
And another “Martin” : “As the impact of the WikiLeaks saga continues, the U.S. Navy faces a security concern of its own after Reserve Intelligence Specialist 3rd Class Bryan Minkyu Martin was arrested for selling dozens of secret or top secret documents to an undercover agent.”
http://www.the-two-malcontents.com/2010/12/u-s-sailor-sells-classified-navy-documents-to-fbi-agent-posing-as-foreign-spy/
When we are at recent events:
The meaning of the name Sandy:
The name was one of the titles (“epithets”) given to the Greek goddess Hera and as such is usually taken to mean “one who comes to save warriors”. It is an example of the widespread motif of Greek (or Indo-European more generally) names expressing “battle-prowess”, in this case the ability to withstand or push back an enemy battle line.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander
What was the meaning of “Chevaline”?
So we have the Goddes Aurora (Dawn) and Red October and Red Hair on one side, the definite meanings of “Revolution”.
And we have Goddess Hera on the other side, the meaning to save warriors and pushing back a battle line. Where does Chevaline fit in there?
What kind of Revolution is planned and when and where? USA?
Re: Moose – Kamouraska
“Snowmobiler dies after driving under a moose.”
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/01/12/quebec-snowmobile-crash-moose.html
Thought this was just a fun story, but it links to:
“10 November 1950. A B-50 en route to Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, Arizona, was forced to jettison a nuclear weapon over the St. Lawrence River near St. Alexandre-de-Kamouraska, Canada.”
http://www.lutins.org/nukes.html
And (The second one down – bottom of page, though the first one is good too.)
http://introtoglobalstudies.com/2012/10/broken-arrow-lost-nuclear-weapons-in-canada/
Aside from air-blast detonated uranium cores, the area is big into uranium mining, and there are groups of scientists like CriiRad who are making a stink about radioactive mining tailings.
So we must ask, did the moose have Satsuma oranges on it’s antlers, was the snowmobile or the snowmobiler’s suit or his or her hair red?
Were HM ERII and the CSIS hiding in the bushes and slapped the moose on the rump at the right moment to run across the snowmobiler’s path? The story didn’t give a name – could it be another Martin or Mollier?
Don’t forget, Bullwinkle Moose and Rocky Squirrel figured big in the cold war, vexing Boris and Natasha.
There are, of course, links to uranium mining and former mercenary/security operatives who are by now natural resource barons, and the conflicts in Mali and Kurdish Iraq:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Buckingham
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3427.htm
@ bluebird 15 Jan, 2013 – 10:33 am @James
“What kind of Revolution is planned and when and where? USA?”
Hollywood had their “Golden” Globe awards, another love-fest that turned into a collective orgasm when former President Clinton appeared (taking a short break from greasing deals in the Stans for Canadian and Russian investors).
The Hollywood leftists, with a few exceptions, are now fully on-board with the war on terror and films glorifying their former nemesis, the CIA. Also glorifying President Lincoln who settled the first civil war.
I am obsessed with Lincoln’s stovepipe hat. If President Obama wears it to his second inauguration, it could become a symbol for the US Head of State, like the Queen’s crown or the Pope’s mitre. Hillary must wear it too when she takes over.
The hat could be ascribed magical powers, like the sorting hat in Harry Potter, and no one could dispute its wise decisions. (My baseball cap could make wiser decisions than our elites do now.) The leftists love the virtues of a benevolent dictator. Their definition of benevolence, of course.
@ Tim V 15 Jan, 2013 – 12:20 am
“It confirms to me this was a targetted killing NOT the act of a lone mad gunman and WBM was either not targetted and protected. What criminal this brutal would leave a witness unless under specific instructions not to?”
Or he was disabled – tazed or held at gunpoint by one of the team – and forced to witness the murders. Don’t know why. He’s in shock afterward.
Today’s Independent.
“The Annecy mystery, by John Lichfield
“Yes, you can drive up,” the gendarme said. “But you will have to walk the last half a kilometre.”
Up that rutted, twisting, beautiful, forest road above Lake Annecy, a British-Iraqi family – a father, a mother, a granny and two small girls – had driven two days earlier. They would not drive back down.
I was among the first group of journalists allowed to reach the scene. The fallen leaves in the layby at the top of the road were still splattered with blood. You could see the deep gouge in the earth made when a panic-stricken Saad al-Hilli had reversed his BMW estate car into the forest side before he was shot twice in the head. French investigators have since been lambasted for allowing journalists to trample the ground so rapidly (and for much else besides). I am grateful for that brief visit. It has helped me to understand what happened that misty afternoon in September – or rather to understand why we may never understand what happened.
Almost four months on, the mystery of the quadruple murder at Chevaline remains intact.
A targeted killing? Investigators are convinced that the murderer was already on the scene and could not have known the random itinerary of the holidaying al-Hillis that day. Investigations of a family quarrel or an Iraqi connection – exaggerated by some press reports – have come to nothing so far. The same goes for the French cyclist, Sylvain Mollier, who was trying out a new route and lost his way. Despite insistent reports to the contrary, French investigators say that they are “99.9per cent” sure that Mr Mollier was not the gunman’s prime target.
A professional killer? The gun was an antique: a Swiss army Luger from the 1920s or earlier. It fell apart in the gunman’s hands. Fragments of it were found at the scene. One of them has recently yielded a trace of DNA, which may yet help trace the attacker. On the other hand, that DNA may belong to Zainab al-Hilli, aged seven, who was beaten and left for dead.
Judging by the theories rampaging around on the internet, the public refuses to accept that these vicious murders were the random act of a psychopath, as investigators are now inclined to believe.
Small wonder. Just like the Princess Diana investigation, public perception of the events has been muddied by lurid reporting. The wild theories are better known than the facts. Part of the media has trampled the crime scene – but not just with their feet.”
Am I getting this straight although the girls had been through a horrific ordeal wouldnt the police have questioned them about the description of the shooter? Motorbike helmet and Leather? no…..english RAF officer in cycling gear? jewish looking gentlemen etc etc
If its the man on the Motorbike it is a hit………..end of! and if any of the Security Services mentioned in these posts had been given the job they would have used a Motorbike as well……look at Yemmen – Motorbikes have been banned from the city centres because of the spat of Motor Bike assasins killing Yemmenie Security officers over the past year!
This is all getting spread out very thinly so people loose interest in the case! the motor bike guy has always been known and has only just come up as a suspect???
Oh and you guys going over the Satellite theory again remember the Meteor seen over the UK in September 2012 had been reported that it could have been a spy satellite and in that part of the sky could have only been owned by Israel, I added this at the time in the original thread!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ofeqm
http://sattrackcam.blogspot.nl/2012/09/fireball-over-n-europe-on-21-september.html
Interesting report by John Lichfield.
And interesting comment with regard “the media”.
And yet, from his elevated position over his fellow reports on other papers…
Why no question with regard to the broken roof rack ?
Why no question as to how the eldest daught was outside a locked vehicle….which was in reverse gear (and was making a “getaway”) ?
What day did route did the Al Hilli family take from Claygate to their final campsite destination ?
Surely they could at least answer those very simple statements.
“Judging by the theories rampaging around on the internet, the public refuses to accept that these vicious murders were the random act of a psychopath”
Small wonder ???? No bloody wonder !
John Lichfield on the death of Diana in August 1997
“It was infuriating.
It was very difficult to get very basic information out of the French authorities.
I wrote to the investigating magistrate and said to him: you really need to get information out to the press, because if you don’t there’s going to be a million conspiracy theories.
A lot of stuff was made up and a lot of that information still sticks in people’s imaginations to this day”.
Yet in his piece on al Hilli, he seems to have changed his mind on the French Investigation teams somewhat.