The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
I see there are enough links posted today to keep me in reading material for quite some time. I do wish there was some easy way to search posts in this forum. It would be useful.
@NR: When I was doing some research into Broken Arrow in the past, it led me to the chain of command during the Cold War, and the person who would have “the key” on the Canadian side of the border. As far as I could tell, in modern times that person would have been the equivalent of the commander of CFB Trenton. That’s why I found it most odd that such a person in current time would not have had any psych exams or monitoring of any kind (quite unlikely, IMO). The person with the code would most assuredly have been chosen deliberately and cautiously, and would have been in a high position of authority. This is background only.
Interesting about the “Luka”.
Interesting about McAfee, etc.
@NR: First the Thunderbirds and Lady Penelope, now Rocky and Bullwinkle. Can it be any more obvious that everything was laid out in Saturday morning cartoons?
Does lightning strike thrice? Seems it does in Dorset, England.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-20850208
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2253806/Lightning-strike-sparks-devastating-blaze-school-just-months-12m-refit-completed-following-decade-earlier.html
A ‘lightning bolt’ is also reported to have struck a barn in a nearby village some while earlier.
@NR: Some have wondered about the mysterious death of a grad student in Ontario, around the time a certain non=serial killer was operational. The student was taking Native American studies, and had a prof who was leading one of the bands opposed to U. test drilling in the area. She was found dead either on the same day or the day before Lachlan Cranswickm downstream in the same river, near the PM’s residence. It all depends on whether the day was overcast or sunny, and which police car you see in the photograph. There must be traffic jams with all the fishermen and canoes in that river. No expensive designer clothes that time, just a mishmash of different boots, but not “shabby chic”. How “crazy” is that? Not a satsuma anywhere. 😉
@James: It’s a problem, that psychopath business. We are told that a person in high authority who behaved every bit like a psychopath is not a psychopath, but a “new kind of monster”, never before seen in the history of humankind.
Then we are told that a random mass shooting in the woods is the work of a lone nutter, a psychopath. The problem is that psychopaths are not technically crazy. They know what they are doing, and they choose to do it. This means that they are technically sane in the eyes of the law, because they are conscious, aware, and in control of their actions. So a lone nutter cannot be a psychopath, because psychopaths have the capacity to plan ahead.
So which is it? Are people in positions of authority who behave like psychopaths not allowed to be labelled “psychopaths”, while people lower down the chain of command are, even if the behavior doesn’t fit?
The Chevaline incident was planned in advance. Seems like we are expected to believe that which is not credible, and has no basis in reality.
@Ricki Tarr
15 Jan, 2013 – 2:21 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ofeqm
It says there’s no such page, never has been!?
A question from yesterday concerning Gareth Williams: was there more in his family background than we are aware? Business connections? Do those in certain circles pass the family business on to their offspring?
Mochyn69
15 Jan, 2013 – 5:36 pm
Well when I added the link I read what it said on the page and gave detail?????????????? confused!
@Ricki Tarr: You had me going for a minute there. There was a derelict hotel that caught fire also in Boscombe, which made me go here:
http://www.dreamlandresort.com/black_projects/boscombe.htm
This is a different Boscombe, but “Aurora” is part of the story.
I going to forward a different chain of events (re timings).
Been doing a little digging.
What if….
The carpark has has the Al Hilli family in it.
Mollier.
And Martin.
With Didierjean bringing up the rear/ just arriving.
The call to the Emergency Services is made by either WBM and/or PD.
Indeed SAH and SM are chatting (about what I don’t know).
And the eldest is out of the car.
She is nearby her father, but not with him.
The time is 15.45 approx.
Does anyone know how good SAH’s French was ?
Or SM’s English ?
@Tim V: Have you forgotten Arabic?
@ Q 15 Jan, 2013 – 3:03 pm
“@NR: First the Thunderbirds and Lady Penelope, now Rocky and Bullwinkle. Can it be any more obvious that everything was laid out in Saturday morning cartoons?”
This page claims the Batman clues go back to the printed comic books – Crowley, Golden Dawn, Dawn Golden, Aurora.
“Blood Sacrifice at Aurora, The London Olympics & 007”
http://redicecreations.com/article.php?id=21317
Wouldn’t the AURORA Borealis be visible over St. Alexandre-de-Kamouraska, Quebec?
Lady Penelope’s head was auctioned in 2011. Did AQ or the Taliban have at her with a dull sword?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2011/jun/15/thunderbirds-lady-penelope-puppet-auction
For comics foreshadowing the economy, see Walt Disney’s Scrooge McDuck, who was from Scotland (surely a member of the Scottish Rite Masons), made his fortune in gold mining, and was constantly building more money-bins to hold his ever-increasing wealth (like Warren Buffet, the Clintons, George Soros, the evil Koch brothers and Russian Oligarchs), while paying Donald and the nephew ducks a pittance when he employed them free-lance (unpaid interns hadn’t been invented yet – thank Hollywood for that one.)
@ Q 15 Jan, 2013 – 2:52 pm
“I do wish there was some easy way to search posts in this forum. It would be useful.”
The upper right corner of each page has a “search this site” box. It didn’t work for any names or terms I tried.
Random thought: Did historians ever ask where Mercader got an ice-axe in Mexico? Did “Luka”/Pastelnyak obtain one from Moscow or Montreal and send it in the diplomatic pouch?
I have just visited MZT and been blocked by google chrome it is saying the page has had something inserted from [www . expatfocus . com] that is malaware .
[Mod/Jon: made possible malware link safe]
Jon can you remove Pink 15 Jan, 2013 – 8:46 pm please I am not sure what the link is .
I could understand Google chrome stopping me clicking a dodgy link I didn’t click on anything though I was just loading the page does it mean the whole site is dodgy ATM?
Talking about what ?
Who knows..is the reply. But are together. They say.
What was SAH’s actually biking experience ? Can anyone tell me that ?
Not what club ? But his rides.
There is another issue.
The shooter comes not from the forest, but from the past the carpark.
The shooter is already there.
And that is important.
The gaye is open.
Ambush then I said. But by whom ????
Q
15 Jan, 2013 – 6:48 pm _ Pardon me?
By the people who aren’t that good at ambushes and “lone nut killings”.
Who is really bad at “lone nut” killings ?
Mexico ? Iran ? Isunreal ?
It’s a “stand out” bunch of one.
Perhaps having chewed the bone for so long we need to get to the marrow? A big obstacle is that we cannot actually question the investigators. (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?) It seems unlikely we can get much further unless we do. For that unless we use the FIA we must rely on our friends in the press. Perhaps however we could give them a helping hand by suggesting some they might ask?
I have posed many questions in the past. Unfortunately no one was listening or if they were, they certainly were not inclined to answer. As far as I am aware not one has been. How do we get the press to pose the questions or explain why they are not?
Did we ever establish a family relationship with this chap. Christian (Stan) and “our Eric” of if he has ever been located since he disappeared?
Christian Maillaud (Stan) is the voice of London’s grandson, a former policeman who is involved in chassing paedophile’s rings. He is currently on the run being sought for doing the right thing (“Affaire Vincent”) and has disappeared since September 22nd this year in the most suspicious circumstances.
September 22nd 2012 :
He along with his team was investigating a paedophile-Satanist ring in Amancey in the area of Besançon, East of France. He unfortunately had to run away while being checked “randomly” by the police. At that very moment Janett Seeman (his partner in life) and Jeremy Lehut (investigator) were meeting in secret the witness and victim. Jeremy and Janett are the only persons to whom the victim has accepted to make a statement.
@ Pink 15 Jan, 2013 – 8:46 pm
“I have just visited MZT and been blocked by google chrome it is saying the page has had something inserted from http://www.expatfocus.com that is malaware.”
It could be something like this:
“When two sites are on same IP address, this means they are hosted on same Web Server. This could be a shared server, but this also may mean the sites are with one and the same owner. If you are on shared server, it is important all sites there to be legitimate, because if there are malware websites, some firewall / proxy software may block the IP address. Some SEO specialists believe Google checks the IP address of the linking domains in order to find linking farms.”
It also applies to links that users can insert into a site’s page, like we do here or at MZT. Which is why many pages forbid embedding links in comments. Apparently Chrome is more stringent in warning of possible malware.
@ Tim V 16 Jan, 2013 – 1:21 am
“Did we ever establish a family relationship with this chap. Christian (Stan) and “our Eric” of if he has ever been located since he disappeared?”
“Christian Maillaud (Stan)… along with his team was investigating a paedophile-Satanist ring in Amancey in the area of Besançon, East of France.”
The DM deplores Sandy Hook “truthers” who dare question authority. While Mr. Rosen may be an innocent victim, they never bother to ask why the schoolbus driver would leave children in his charge. Wouldn’t the bus driver have an emergency plan or call police as to where to take children in a disaster – in this case the firehouse?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2262850/Gene-Rosen-Conspiracy-theorists-attack-Sandy-Hook-hero-sheltered-children-massacre.html
The Satanic conspiracies hit on the phenomenon of many of the Sandy Hook kids telling tales of “butterflies” (MK-Ultra “Monarch” programming) and “rainbows” – a reference to Frank Baum’s “Wizard of Oz” supposedly connected to SISs and programming and Satanic Illuminati, etc. But the kids are recording this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2262790/Sandy-Hook-shooting-Children-survived-massacre-record-version-Over-The-Rainbow-charity.html
Like Bluebird, I’m not good with faces, but in the pics of the Sandy Hook kids 80% of them look “the same”. Like they’re related or clones, or maybe they’re all taken to the same salons and stylists. It’s creepy. Or maybe they only allow pics of the cute ones – which would be horrible discrimination. 🙂
@NR
Thanks NR it was getting removed as soon as I started loading it and the chrome page coming up warning something had been inserted from that website that I wont name again ,this morning I have tried it and its worked fine I have never had that happen before .
On occasions a warning box will pop up on some websites asking if I want to continue or leave and gives a reason ,but never the whole site removed.
@ Tim V 16 Jan, 2013 – 12:15 am
“… unless we use the FIA we must rely on our friends in the press. Perhaps however we could give them a helping hand by suggesting some they might ask?”
Good idea. We make a list of the top 10 or 20 questions and submit to the British press. MZT could do the same for the French media.
I’ll start off with one: when did the SAH’s leave Claygate and what was their route and timing to Annecy?
Then we vote the questions up or down in priority. If the press finds the authorities won’t reveal certain facts because of somebody’s national security, they should say so. I suspect the press already knows the reason certain facts aren’t discussed “off the record” aside from any real or imagined D-Notices.
Breaking news of a helicopter clipping a crane on a building in Vauxhall, Central London landing on the building site and then the road in thick fog.
The proximity to the MI6 building may be significant or not.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233565
The crane and building site may well be:-
http://london.usembassy.gov/new_embassy16.html