The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
UPDATE: Yours added below Pink – Thanks.
(Thanks for the support of my idea NR
16 Jan, 2013 – 6:20 am. How are going to organise this. Maybe we could just be “democratic” and in the first instance just ask everyone who has contributed on here, to submit ONE pertinent question? They would need to be collated and a decision made to whom they should be submitted. I suggest the Editors of the National Press in Britain (and France?)and TV stations. They would be unascribed and submitted in the name of this site if that were acceptible to Craig? A request would have to be attached as to feedback. Maybe some of the media might make a story out of the request in itself? So if it helps I will start collating here and add just one of my own)
1. When did the SAH’s leave Claygate and what was their route and timing to Annecy? (NR)
2. Why did Eric Maillaud claim, and keep claiming, the English cyclist Brett Martin had made the initial call at 3.48, when it must have been clear (he being British and speaking little French) that it could not have been him and why was this later changed to a Mr Philippe Didierjean, who it was reported lived locally but cannot be traced? (TimV)
3. At what time Laurent Fillion-Robin saw the green 4×4 and motorbike pass by and what time did the forestry vehicle stop the motorbuke and where? (Pink)
Tim V.
Here you can always read the latest news on “Stan” Maillaud and his team:
http://www.lesamisdestanmaillaud.org/en/
@Tim V: Just wondering if Sylvain Mollier spoke other languages, KWIM.
Perhaps someone could add the following question:
“Is the ex-policeman involved in the investigation of child abduction and abuse, Christian “Stan” Maillaud, who suspiciously disappeared from police custody on the 22nd September, 2012, and has not been located or in contact since, in any way connected, by family or profession, to Eric Maillaud, the Public Prosecutor for Annecy?”
@NR: I’m not sure what it is with all these athletes riding bicycles, but it seems that every high-profile killing (RW) has them, either in the background or the foreground. And what is it with Colorado, anyways?
Bluebird
16 Jan, 2013 – 4:19 pm You said:
“Tim V.
Here you can always read the latest news on “Stan” Maillaud and his team:
http://www.lesamisdestanmaillaud.org/en/”
tHE LAST POST ON THAT APPEARS TO BE nOVEMBER 13 hence my question. Is he still missing?
@Bluebird: It is most mysterious how cyclists involved in the periphery of high-profile killings live very dangerous lives. There are a lot of trucks, or cars (not sure), on the roads, and some serious accidents result. It’s amazing how some can go into a combat zone and emerge unscathed, but come close to losing their lives on a simple bicycle ride in the mountains. Must be a lot of bad drivers out there. And a lot of mountains. And I’m not talking about Brett Martin.
Q
16 Jan, 2013 – 4:19 pm – I really have no idea!!!!!! What do you think?
London helicopter pilot studied in Florida? Where have we heard that before?
OK I know I’ve had one crack of the whip, but I am going to add it anyway…
UPDATE: Yours added below Pink – Thanks.
(Thanks for the support of my idea NR
16 Jan, 2013 – 6:20 am. How are going to organise this. Maybe we could just be “democratic” and in the first instance just ask everyone who has contributed on here, to submit ONE pertinent question? They would need to be collated and a decision made to whom they should be submitted. I suggest the Editors of the National Press in Britain (and France?)and TV stations. They would be unascribed and submitted in the name of this site if that were acceptible to Craig? A request would have to be attached as to feedback. Maybe some of the media might make a story out of the request in itself? So if it helps I will start collating here and add just one of my own)
1. When did the SAH’s leave Claygate and what was their route and timing to Annecy? (NR)
2. Why did Eric Maillaud claim, and keep claiming, the English cyclist Brett Martin had made the initial call at 3.48, when it must have been clear (he being British and speaking little French) that it could not have been him and why was this later changed to a Mr Philippe Didierjean, who it was reported lived locally but cannot be traced? (TimV)
3. At what time Laurent Fillion-Robin saw the green 4×4 and motorbike pass by and what time did the forestry vehicle stop the motorbuke and where? (Pink)
4. Is the ex-policeman involved in the investigation of child abduction and abuse, Christian “Stan” Maillaud, who suspiciously disappeared from police custody on the 22nd September, 2012, and has not been located or in contact since, in any way connected, by family or profession, to Eric Maillaud, the Public Prosecutor for Annecy? (TimV)
@Tim V: I had wondered in the past if Sylvain Mollier might have had family ties to one of the former French colonies, thus language skills that no one has mentioned. I still wonder if he could have been connected to the well-known physicist in the vicinity. It’s entirely speculation. His son had FB friends who served in the military overseas. Was this part of papa’s background, thus friends of papa? Intel?
One thing that I have “learnt” is that Eric is merely a “spokesman” in this case.
Bizarre as it may sound, he isn’t part of the “investigation team”.
And that “team” keep their secrets….apart from when they “leak” them. and they only do that to their friends in the media….not the whole media.
The problem of “the media” reporting what “selective” media publish is a MASSIVE problem here.
Was the time the call was made 15.48 ?
Who the hell knows. Eric probably doesn’t know that now !
What a place to have a mass shooting ! Blood France !
A note on time ! And the helicopter crash
The “tin kickers” are on scene.
Hopefully they can throw some light on “times”…because !
A witness (going into his gym) notes the time as 07.37
The BBC say it was 08.00
…and the flight left Redhill at 07.35 !!!!!
For those that follow racing ….?
Click to go: International / English/Ire
IRELAND: BIG CLASH LOOMING AT LEOPARDSTOWN
Thursday, 30 August 2012: A clash between Snow Fairy and Nathaniel in the G1 Irish Champion Stakes at Leopardstown on September 8 is still on the cards according to the mare’s trainer Ed Dunlop.
Snow Fairy
Photo by Racing and Sports
While underlining no final decision has been made as to where his popular multiple G1-winning mare will appear next, Dunlop said the Irish Champion is a possibility.
“She seems to have come out of France well so far and we will wait and see what the Irish weather does,” Dunlop said.
“We are due better weather next week so we’ll see how she is.”
Snow Fairy produced a gutsy display to win the G1 Prix Jean Romanet under Ryan Moore at Deauville on August 19 on her return from a leg injury.
She has options at Ascot and Longchamp as well as Leopardstown where she finished second last year to So You Think.
Snow Fairy sustained a leg injury when winning the G1 Queen Elizabeth II Commemorative Cup in Japan last November.
“She’s in great form and everything seems to be all go,” said Patrick Cooper, racing manager to her owners Anamoine Limited.
“We will just see. She is very ground dependent and if the ground is soft she can’t run.
“We’d have to take it each race at a time and if she didn’t go there, the Prix Vermeille (at Longchamp on September 16) is the next obvious one.”
Having been supplemented for the Irish Champion, Nathaniel was always more likely to head to Ireland than tackle Frankel in last week’s Juddmonte International at York.
However William Buick, Nathaniel’s in-form jockey, does not rule out the possibility of serving it up to the world’s highest-rated horse if they were to meet again in the Qipco Champion Stakes at Ascot in October, 13 days after the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe at Longchamp.
“I think Frankel is probably unbeatable, but we’ve got a horse in Nathaniel who probably at some stage will have a go,” Buick told At The Races.
“If Ascot came up testing and stamina came into it, he will definitely give him a run for his money.
I think he is still the horse to get nearest to him and I think and I hope he can get even nearer.
“If stamina comes into it, I would be putting emphasis on that and try to find any chinks that Frankel does have.
“You have to give it a go.”
Others entries for the Irish Champion include Cirrus Des Aigles, Imperial Monarch and Parish Hall.
http://www.racingandsports.com.au/racing/rsNewsArt.asp?nid=258525
Just a thought not so far considered though early on I did raise the Irish connection … Combe d’Ire. There are certainly Irish killers still about and active. We have an old Libyan and Us connection. Mossad used Irish passports for the Mahmoud al-Mabhouh operation in 2010.
The Independent: “The Mossad is cold, calculated and ruthless when it comes to killing, but the world’s most feared national intelligence agency is rarely reckless.
Two years ago, however, the Israeli spying network did slip up in a mission that still haunts its clandestine chiefs.
And new evidence, revealed this week, reminded us all how their covert operations were forced out of the shadows after agents were caught using Irish, British, Canadian and German passports when carrying out the assassination of senior Hamas operative Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Dubai in 2010.
Suspected agents were also caught on CCTV and one, Uri Brodsky, was even arrested when travelling in Germany for his alleged involvement in the hit. However, once he was deported to Israel he, like the other suspects involved, vanished behind the veil of secrecy that shrouds all Mossad operatives.
Mossad’s legendary director of operations, Raphael Eitan, who masterminded the Eichmann operation, revealed that soon after Margaret Thatcher came to power in 1979, he travelled to London for secret briefings at the Home Office.
He was invited to SAS headquarters to explain in detail how his hitmen had found and killed every member of the Black September death squad, which massacred Israeli athletes during the 1972 Munich Olympics.
The SAS appeared very eager to engage the services of the Mossad to help in the battle against the IRA.
Eitan was brought to the Lisburn Army base in Co Antrim and to the RUC’s headquarters just outside Belfast and was then taken on a helicopter tour of the Republican stronghold of South Armagh, described to him as “bandit country”.
It was during this visit that he let the British spooks know he was less than impressed with their security forces.” http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/mossad-and-the-irish-connection-3023839.html
Mossad spies operating inside Ireland?
Are the Israelis working on kiosks a Mossad front as it has been alluded elsewhere? I’m not so sure myself, perhaps. I don’t live in Ireland, I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with these guys? I can’t imagine why they would want to spy in Ireland other than to gather dirt to use for blackmail.
Dead Sea Products is one of the most noticeable Israeli cosmetic companies operating in Ireland at present, having stalls in several Irish supermarkets, often staffed by ex-Israeli soldiers.
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/ne…f&mode=details
Wiki:
France
Cherbourg Project – Operation Noa, the 1969 smuggling of Israel Navy boats out of Cherbourg.
The alleged killing of Zuheir Mohsen, a pro-Syrian member of the PLO in 1979.[16]
The alleged killing of Atef Bseiso, a top intelligence officer of the PLO in Paris in 1992. French police believe that a team of assassins followed Atef Bseiso from Berlin, where that first team connected with another team to close in on him in front of a Left Bank hotel, where he received three head-shots at point blank range.[17]
The killing of Yehia El-Mashad, the head of the Iraq nuclear weapons program, in 1980.[18]
The killing of Dr. Mahmoud Hamshari, coordinator of the Munich massacre with an exploding telephone in his Paris apartment in 1972.[15]
The killing of Dr. Basil Al-Kubaissi, who was involved in the Munich massacre, in Paris in 1973.[15]
The killing of Mohammad Boudia, member of the PFLP, in Paris in 1973.[15]
On April 5, 1979, Mossad agents are believed to have triggered an explosion which destroyed 60 percent of components being built in Toulouse for an Iraqi reactor. Although an environmental organization, Groupe des écologistes français, unheard of before this incident, claimed credit for the blast,[19] most French officials discount the claim. The reactor itself was subsequently destroyed by an Israeli air strike in 1981.[19][20]
The Mossad allegedly assisted Morocco’s domestic security service in the disappearance of dissident politician Mehdi Ben Barka in 1965.[21]
Advisor to MI6 on Counter-Terrorism
Further revelations from the book Gideon’s Spies:The Secret History of the Mossad by Gordon Thomas, describe how the Thatcher government in Britain during the mid 1980s developed a relationship with Eitan as an advisor to MI6 on counterterrorism operations in Northern Ireland. This relationship came to a head in 1985, when Mossad agents helped track an IRA bomb team in Gibraltar. The three member IRA team was killed by the British SAS, under highly controversial circumstances. It was subsequently reported in British papers that Rafi Eitan and Mossad had played a surveillance role in the operation, and IRA command put out orders for assassination teams in Ireland and Britain to find and kill Rafi Eitan. Due to this threat of assassination, and the embarrassment of the Israeli government over Eitan’s unauthorized relationship with the operation, Eitan left Britain and ended his relationship with Britain’s intelligence services. This incident strained Israeli/British relations for several years.[3] WIKI
OT, in case anyone missed it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jan/16/japanese-carriers-ground-24-boeing-787s
More OT. Maybe it’s this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2152284/Could-vulnerable-chip-allow-hackers-Boeing-787-Back-door-allow-cyber-criminals-way-in.html
Tim V.
Regarding Stan Maillaud.
In the very early days of this blog, i believe that it was on the first day in the other al hilli topic here, the late anders7777 wrote a statement that the al hilli killings were happening because of paedophils, anon and assange.
At that time, i found his statement being utterly stupid, off topic, disrespectful and not worth at all for being considered to be rational. I found it to be disgusting to say at least. From todays point of view and considering the latest events and killings and suicides, i will try to consider his statement from a more serious point of view. I think there is something in his statement thst is making sense when we look e.g. at Maillaud, etc.
Anon was hunting for pedos. Did they find something? Do they have to die because they found evidence in Royal houses?
Tim v
There is a facebook page for stan maillaud, too. The entries there are up to date but in french. The facebook site was directly linked from the link i gave you before. I thought that you would see this link.sorry.
http://www.facebook.com/LesAmisDeStanMaillaud?ref=stream
BB thanks for that. Appently server malfuncioning so wont translate at the mo. I’ll try again laters.
The Gibralta incident in 85 (and others) proved that British forces are quite capable of assassination missions. It has battled with Irish Nationals for generations. It has taken advice from Israeli (Mossad) sources as has USA. It also regards it as a threat since the days aof King David (Hotel) Israel has infiltrated US and American intelligenge networks (evidence above) It has also worked to destabilise nearby nations whilst endeavouring to support others where necessary. Russia supports Syria and Iran whilst being deeply suspicious of islamic movements within its own sphere of influence. The CIA is deeply embroiled in subversive activities as well as overt military action. No one is whiter than white and this is strength and weakness if something goes wrong. Who can tell who is doing what to whom? Who can complain and risk humiliating allies, upsetting precarious balences, dropping themselves in it? Even within single autonomous states, agencies may be acting at cross purposes, even to frustrate one another. Gareth Williams seems to fall into this category. Titular political heads are kept in the dark so that they can truthfully deny responsibility for illegal acts such as occurred with extrordinary rendition and now drone attacks killing non-combatent civilians. Where in all this mess of pottage (!) can we expect a crime to be solved, however brutal, if the state or states are embroiled in its planning and execution? I keep wondering if the British were involved in this one? In which case if Martin was the asset, he could also have played the “notifier” to signal the victims were in place. I hope to God we weren’t. I just don’t think it rings true. But the stance Britain has taken – hardly vociferous or enthusiastic – must plant a seed of doubt. My preference is that this was an undercover operation, so the British are not wholly innocent, but they are unable or unwilling for the reasons given above to make specific accusations (as they did in the Litvinenko and Georgi Markov cases) Why did I get on to this? Just the thought that Combe d’Ire could equally represent IREland. Are we sure there is not an IRA link here back to other nationalistic, terrorist organisations? We certainly have the Irish links within the Al Hilli family with possibly republican lineage.
@ James 16 Jan, 2013 – 9:14 am
“J0008/13 (NAVW) London Heliport
N51°29.00 W000°07.00 2nm
Wednesday, 16 Jan 2013 09:00 to 17:00
Elevation: SFC – 2500
RESTRICTED AREA (TEMPORARY) OWING TO INCIDENT AT VAUXHALL BRIDGE RESTRICTION OF FLYING REGULATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE UNDER ARTICLE 161 OF THE AIR NAVIGATION ORDER 2009 IN AREA BOUNDED BY A CIRCLE RADIUS 2NM CENTRED ON 512915N 0000727W.
Did you or anyone else check if there was restricted air space above Martinet after the murders? If not, is it possible to do so retroactively; are the notices archived?
@ bluebird 17 Jan, 2013 – 12:02 am @ Q
“Tim V. : Regarding Stan Maillaud.
In the very early days of this blog, i believe that it was on the first day in the other al hilli topic here, the late anders7777 wrote a statement that the al hilli killings were happening because of paedophils, anon and assange.”
I too thought Anders7777 and Icke in general were nutters on the subject of paedophiles and elite connections, but they were spot on about Jimmy Savile.
JEWISH HERO AARON SWARTZ; EXPOSING ELITE CHILD ABUSE
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/jewish-hero-aaron-swartz-exposing-elite_16.html?m=1
There was an interesting blog page in Vancouver, Canada, that linked a recently convicted paedophile there, and a school there, to Canadian elites, then to a Facebook paedophile ring operated out of London, then to events in Montreal last May, and a link from Moscow connecting paedophile elites in Canada back to the same events in Montreal.
The page is no longer available, though it was up from June 2012 to a few days past. Your “clean teams” at work? 🙂
@ Bluebird @ James
“Machine guns, balaclavas, gas masks and ‘ONLY KILL FOR LOVE'”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2262839/Milan-fashion-week-German-designer-Philipp-Plein-causes-controversy-shockingly-violent-runway-using-guns.html
Note Batman tee 3rd pic down. From readers’ comments:
“Trying to represent a world that many will soon find themselves in. Fashion is a way of providing another representation of our social climate. London”
“the revolution will be chic. NY, United States”
All OK to “leak” State Department secrets if it advances an agenda. No chance the leaker will be investigated let alone arrested.
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/01/15/secret_state_department_cable_chemical_weapons_used_in_syria
Horsemeat in Tesco’s burgers now.
The coincidences just go on and on.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/foodanddrinknews/9806150/They-eat-horses-dont-they.html
NR
Thanks for that link. This guy is pretty brave. I would not be brave enough to publish such directly targetted accusations. One should copy this content because i guess that it will be taken offline sooner than later. Could sorensen do that?
Aleppo was a good keyword. Why did CIA mercenaries destroy the institute of information technology, leaving 80 employees and stidents dead and destroying all their digital data? This guy – obviously he had not known about that war crime at the time he wrote that article – links Aleppo information technology to Aaron Swarzt. And he says that Aaron and the institute of information technology in Aleppo had information about a pedo-ring in highest circles. I will read anders7777 early posts where he links pedophiles and anon to the al hilli killings once again here and on icke because i did not take these posts serious at that time. But now it is going to make sense.
SAH was a computer “designer” according to media. Such a job does not exist in the software industry. Media are stupid. However, there is a job that is called “database designer”. Such people usually work with database software and the create new database functions. Usually, as a software creator, you will always leave a backdoor in such a database that enables you to access that database still then when everything else around had crashed. This is usual for maintanance and has nothing to do with criminal energy.
However, it might enable me later to still secretly access a database when i should not do this. Doing this for helping to track down pedos (yes, anon did exactly that and is proud of doing that and they had previously announced that in public) – is a matter between ethics,moral and legality. Ethics and moral are standing higher than legality in such cases. SAH could have been an Anon member.
And so could have been Williams, Swartz, Lanza, Holmes and many more who were killed and who were software experts and perhaps anon members, too.