The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Tim v
“Ire” can have another meaning.
See:
“MS Cover story sparks ire and action”
That is a link that was linked in the “Aaron Swartz was uncovering pedophiles” link from above.
http://www.msmagazine.com/summer2006/saipanrevisited.asp
I have no doubts anymore that Aaron Swartz was a leading Anon member. We dont know about SAH and sadly we will never know.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2057068/Hacker-group-Anonymous-publishes-internet-addresses-190-paedophiles-hi-tech-sting.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/was-there-a-paedophile-ring-in-no-10-mp-tom-watson-demands-probe-8224702.html
Here is a confirmation that he was an Anon member:
http://m.gizmodo.com/5975646/anonymous-hacks-mit-in-aaron-swartzs-name
Quote, manifesto of Anon Aaron Swartz:
Guerilla Open Access ManifestoInformation is power. But like all power, there are those who want to keep it for themselves. The world’s entire scientific and cultural heritage, published over centuries in books and journals, is increasingly being digitized and locked up by a handful of private corporations. Want to read the papers featuring the most famous results of the sciences? You’ll need to send enormous amounts to publishers like Reed Elsevier.There are those struggling to change this. The Open Access Movement has fought valiantly to ensure that scientists do not sign their copyrights away but instead ensure their work is published on the Internet, under terms that allow anyone to access it. But even under the best scenarios, their work will only apply to things published in the future. Everything up until now will have been lost.That is too high a price to pay. Forcing academics to pay money to read the work of their colleagues? Scanning entire libraries but only allowing the folks at Google to read them? Providing scientific articles to those at elite universities in the First World, but not to children in the Global South? It’s outrageous and unacceptable.”I agree,” many say, “but what can we do? The companies hold the copyrights, they make enormous amounts of money by charging for access, and it’s perfectly legal – there’s nothing we can do to stop them.” But there is something we can, something that’s already being done: we can fight back.Those with access to these resources – students, librarians, scientists – you have been given a privilege. You get to feed at this banquet of knowledge while the rest of the world is locked out. But you need not – indeed, morally, you cannot – keep this privilege for yourselves. You have a duty to share it with the world. And you have: trading passwords with colleagues, filling download requests for friends.Meanwhile, those who have been locked out are not standing idly by. You have been sneaking through holes and climbing over fences, liberating the information locked up by the publishers and sharing them with your friends.But all of this action goes on in the dark, hidden underground. It’s called stealing or piracy, as if sharing a wealth of knowledge were the moral equivalent of plundering a ship and murdering its crew. But sharing isn’t immoral – it’s a moral imperative. Only those blinded by greed would refuse to let a friend make a copy.Large corporations, of course, are blinded by greed. The laws under which they operate require it – their shareholders would revolt at anything less. And the politicians they have bought off back them, passing laws giving them the exclusive power to decide who can make copies.There is no justice in following unjust laws. It’s time to come into the light and, in the grand tradition of civil disobedience, declare our opposition to this private theft of public culture.We need to take information, wherever it is stored, make our copies and share them with the world. We need to take stuff that’s out of copyright and add it to the archive. We need to buy secret databases and put them on the Web. We need to download scientific journals and upload them to file sharing networks. We need to fight for Guerilla Open Access.With enough of us, around the world, we’ll not just send a strong message opposing the privatization of knowledge – we’ll make it a thing of the past. Will you join us?
Aaron Swartz
July 2008, Italy
Mochyn69
17 Jan, 2013 – 9:48 am
“Which leaves us to reflect on the irony that the number of horses slaughtered in Ireland has risen from 822 in 2006 to 7,000 in 2010-11”
Not sure if anyone got the point of my racing news. Nothing specifically them but just illustrative of course. The art of passing messages undetected except by those for whom it was intended.
English/Ire
IRELAND: BIG CLASH LOOMING AT LEOPARDSTOWN
“Thursday, 30 August 2012: A clash between Snow Fairy and Nathaniel in the G1 Irish Champion Stakes at Leopardstown on September 8 is still on the cards according to the mare’s trainer Ed Dunlop.
“While underlining no final decision has been made as to where his popular multiple G1-winning mare will appear next, Dunlop said the Irish Champion is a possibility.
“She seems to have come out of France well so far and we will wait and see what the Irish weather does,” Dunlop said.
“We are due better weather next week so we’ll see how she is.”
“Snow Fairy produced a gutsy display to win the G1 Prix Jean Romanet under Ryan Moore at Deauville on August 19 on her return from a leg injury.
“She has options at Ascot and Longchamp as well as Leopardstown where she finished second last year to So You Think.
“Snow Fairy sustained a leg injury when winning the G1 Queen Elizabeth II Commemorative Cup in Japan last November.
“She’s in great form and everything seems to be all go,” said Patrick Cooper, racing manager to her owners Anamoine Limited.
“We will just see. She is very ground dependent and if the ground is soft she can’t run.
“We’d have to take it each race at a time and if she didn’t go there, the Prix Vermeille (at Longchamp on September 16) is the next obvious one.”
“Having been supplemented for the Irish Champion, Nathaniel was always more likely to head to Ireland than tackle Frankel in last week’s Juddmonte International at York.
“.. world’s highest-rated horse if they were to meet again in the Qipco Champion Stakes at Ascot in October, 13 days after the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe at Longchamp.
“If Ascot came up testing and stamina came into it, he will definitely give him a run for his money.
I think he is still the horse to get nearest to him and I think and I hope he can get even nearer.
“If stamina comes into it, I would be putting emphasis on that and try to find any chinks that Frankel does have.
“You have to give it a go.”
Others entries for the Irish Champion include Cirrus Des Aigles, Imperial Monarch and Parish Hall.
http://www.racingandsports.com.au/racing/rsNewsArt.asp?nid=258525
What if for argument’s sake, horse names and trainers, places and races all became code for something else, somewhere else, someone else? It could pass the messages undetected, unsuspected. And what better place to meet than the races or the betting shop? All just flights of fancy of course and nothing to do with this specific piece or case.
@Bluebird
17 Jan, 2013 – 11:56 am
It would be good to see the text of that blogpost in NR’s link.. the net nanny where I am at present doesn’t allow access to some blogs.
Can somebody post it in here?
Snow Fairy has struggled with injury throughout her career. Though she won again in the Irish Champion Stakes after her comeback in Normandy, she is currently on the sidelines again.
“We have sadly learnt that Snow Fairy has been disqualified from her victory in the Prix Romanet in Deauville as a result of failing a routine dope test taken after the race,” said Dunlop in a statement.
“Due to the significant tendon injury that she suffered at the end of last year Snow Fairy has required anti-inflammatory medication to help the injury.
“Unfortunately the withdrawal period was longer than we had been advised. The trainer is ultimately responsible and for that we would like to offer our sincerest apologies to all concerned parties.”
Sorry if I’ve gone all horsey. Questions for the press to pose to investigators still sought.
Here’s another suggestion: “Why was the crime scene opened up to the press two days after the event, whilst significant forensic matterial (i.e. blood-stained earth and leaves, cigarette buts, broken glass, used cartridges) was still there?”
Mochyn
I dont feel convenient when copying a full blog. Problem of this blog is that it is sbusive by calling people with real names being apparent pedos. That could cause problems for the website when copied in here.
The MIT has a lot of interesting alumnis. They seem to rule the world. No wonder that Aaron Swartz had legal problems when he was hacking into their privacy.
(quote)
Alumni in American politics and public service include Chairman of the Federal Reserve Ben Bernanke, former MA-1Representative John Olver, former CA-13Representative Pete Stark, former National Economic Council chairman Lawrence H. Summers, and former Council of Economic Advisors chairwoman Christina Romer. MIT alumni in international politics include Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, President of the European Central Bank Mario Draghi, Chief Economic Adviser of India Raghuram Rajan, physicist Richard Feynman, former British Foreign Minister David Miliband, former Greek Prime Minister Lucas Papademos, former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, and former Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Ahmed Chalabi.MIT alumni founded or co-founded many notable companies, such as Intel, McDonnell Douglas, Texas Instruments, 3Com, Qualcomm, Bose, Raytheon, Koch Industries, Rockwell International, Genentech, Dropbox, and Campbell Soup. According to the British newspaper, The Guardian, “a survey of living MIT alumni found that they have formed 25,800 companies, employing more than three million people including about a quarter of the workforce of Silicon Valley.
One thing to say about the heli crash. By the time this story hit the evening news, the front licence plate of the “MI5” car had been removed. Why would a licence plate be removed from a car at a helicopter crash? Shouldn’t the investigators and fire crews be busy with more important things?
Hey, Tim. Those Dead Sea people are at shopping malls everywhere. Thanks for the intel on who they are. Must go in for a demonstration now and ask a few unusual questions.
@Tim V
17 Jan, 2013 – 2:12 pm
Yeah right .. but ‘chevaline boucherie’, a phrase I hadn’t actually latched on to previously, mentioned in the Tesco’s horse/beef/hamburgers story I linked to, obviously does.
There’s just about as much symbolism in the Tuerie de Chevaline as in a Lady Gaga video!
@Bluebird: Of course a back door in software could be used by those with nefarious intent. There are also back doors in hardware. See post above about ANA and JAL grounding their Boeing 787s.
The issue of FADEC being used to control planes remotely has come up many times over the years in relation to 9/11. The 787s use a different manufacturer’s version of that kind of system.
Now they’re saying a lithium battery may have been a problem with the 787s. Maybe a mechanical engineer somewhere will design a better heat shield, like the one used in the Airbus A380 galley.
This thread has now become the world’s leading one for irrelevancies, many of them erroneous.
The JSTOR file is not about only scientific articles, and by MIT authors. And Aaron Swartz did not hack into it.
One of my articles is in it – the one in Studia Hibernica about A. V. Dicey leading the Unionist campaign to destroy Irish nationalist Charles Stewart Parnell.
Swartz’s supporters should be writing about why such an article is in it, and why MIT and government prosecutors are most desirous of destroying anyone making them known, and available to anyone wanting to see them.
Seems that they are most interested in covert operations of all kinds, and the secret weapons developed for them.
Critics of the paranoid treatment he received should be looking into what he risked by making them all available rather than just how he allegedly reacted to the consequences.
I had just read in news about a current trial at a German court regarding 2 German spies who worked for Russia and who did deliver NATO plans to Russia by blackmailing and bribing NATO employees. That’s not very interesting, but:
quote/translated:
“They used modern technology to deliver their messages to Russia. They uploaded clips to youtube containing hidden messages. This seems to be a modern method of enigma.”
Using paid media reports, advertising or obituaries to transfer hidden and secret messages is a long known matter of fact. However, it is the first time that I heard of somebody using their uploaded youtube clips to transfer hidden and secret messages. What about movies? Could it be that secret services are communicating via youtube clips and movies today? The thing is that there are so many youtube clips that you hardly could find those with the secret messages. Also they wouldn’t call those clips “secret message” but rather have the titels sound not particularly popular, perhaps something like “horse butchers” or perhaps “martin on holiday in france”.
I was doing some research into this incident yesterday:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Scotland_RAF_Chinook_crash
http://www.computerweekly.com/news/1280096803/Chinook-ZD576-How-the-Fadec-engine-control-software-worked-and-what-could-have-gone-wrong
A certain former adversary of agent7777, has also written an article about it.
If its true that Bm saw the green 4×4 and Motorbike speeding towards the scene and the other report says that the builder saw the green 4×4 and motorbike pass before the BMW then where were they all while the BMW was driving to the lay-by?
Builder saw green 4×4 & Motorcycle heading towards CdIre
Builder then saw BMW heading towards Cd Ire
Builder does not see BM
Builder does not see SM
(assumption they are on a different road)
Bm see’s 4×4 and Motorcycle heading towards lay-by
BM see’s SM ahead (was this before or after he saw the 4×4 and MC?)
(Assumption it must be after the roads converge)
Bm does not see BMW
White car man seen leaving the area not seen by anyone arriving.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198777/French-Alps-shooting-Police-question-Saad-Al-Hillis-brother-Zaid-inheritance-row.html
The unidentified British cyclist who discovered the dead bodies on the edge of the village of Chevaline shortly before 4pm has told detectives he saw a ‘green 4×4’ and motorbike speeding towards the murder scene before his arrival.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/an-alpine-murder-mystery–why-were-the-alhillis-shot-dead-8125292.html
Laurent Fillion-Robin, a 38-year-old builder, also claimed there was no sign of any vehicle following the family. He was working on a house near Chevaline when he saw the maroon BMW drive past between 2.30pm and 3pm.
He told police he had seen a green 4×4 and a motorbike heading in the direction of the crime scene beforehand. Fillion-Robin’s testament points towards an agreed rendezvous between Al-Hilli and his eventual killers
It had FADEC:
http://www.agustawestland.com/product/aw109-power-0
I have learned that a keen cyclist in the Colorado Springs area, formerly a friend and confidant of the killer colonel Russell Williams, is now working for NORAD at an American air base. The keen cyclist and air force pilot, who has a graduate degree in physics, escaped with his life after being hit by a truck or car while bicycling in the area in late 2011. He went on to compete in a prestigious triathlon competition, placing third overall. Articles say that ligaments in his leg were replaced with cadaver parts (though it’s hard to fathom why this information is necessary). Is someone targetting keen cyclists, or is this just a hazard of the job?
Pilot worked on air ambulance and rescue flights. Also worked as a ski instructor in Europe early in his life. Could that mean the Alps? Worked for Sky News. Had experience landing on yachts in Monaco:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4747754/helicopter-crash-pilot-was-veteran-flyer-who-flew-in-bond-film.html
Hmmm. Crazy question: did he fly over the Alps in September 2012 in some capacity, for news coverage or air ambulance, or perhaps to transport the rich and famous from one location to another?
Satellites and intelligence here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textron
http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240039848/Did-MoD-deceive-RAF-inquiry
Tim @2.46 pm
Cigarette butts etc on the scene. It makes most sense to me that the sweeper was used to destroy the scene by depositing what it had collected from elsewhere.
When would evidence ever be collected by road sweeper!?
Q
Hmmmm
Was he the pilot overflying the Al-Hilli crime scene when he shouldnt have been there?
What could he have seen that hasnt been reported or what have we missed?
Maybe the ‘official story’ lost its manoeuvre room because of those photos.
White car must have arrived either by Route du Moulin (but should have been seen by BM unless much earlier )or Chemin Rural dit Ancien seen was leaving Route Du Moulin at 4.oopm
Builder see’s green 4×4 and motorcycle on Chemin rural dit la grande combe before builder sees BMW on Chemin rural dit la grande combe which he saw between 2.30pm and 3.00pm .
Sm and BM are on Route du Moulin which converges with Chemin rural dit la grande combe at the bottom of Combe de ire
To see Green 4×4 and Motorcycle BM and SM have joined Combe d Ire
the Green 4×4 and MC must pass or be in front of BM after he joins Combe de Ire .
How does the BMW get to the layby?
Have I gone wrong somewhere?
Heres a map to play with.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Route+de+La+Combe+d'Ire+Chevaline+France&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=45.774797,6.224699&spn=0.00003,0.024719&safe=active&hnear=Route+Foresti%C3%A8re+Domaniale+de+la+Combe+d'Ir%C3%A9,+74210+Chevaline,+Haute-Savoie,+Rh%C3%B4ne-Alpes,+France&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=45.774815,6.224782&panoid=nuHTKADUq1XtjCX_3jxdNA&cbp=12,184.69,,0,-6.31
Q, Straw
I believe that this is a valid question whether or not Pete Barnes was flying over Savoie for Sky News or BBC in early September. He worked for BBC and usually BBC would charter those pilots whom they already knew from earlier jobs. But then, there must not only be a pilot but there should be camera guys and journalist in that helicopter, too. That being said, what has happened to them if it were so?
Will a journalist ever ask that question about where and for whom had Pete Barnes worked from Sept. 5th-8th ?
On the other hand, while thinking of Pete Barnes, I would also think of the extraction theory once again. Would they – if there was an extraction – use a helicopter to escape from the scene? Who would fly such a helicopter if not a guy who had big links to military and police?
The main question would be: Where was Pete Barnes on Sept. 5th/6th ?
Do they already know the name of the second victim in that helicopter crash?
@Bluebird: Well, Pete Barnes did rescue someone from a flood. Tricky flying was his specialty:
http://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/story/2013-01-16/helicopter-crash-pilot-named/
Can someone please tell me when private companies or government contractors do search and rescue in the U.K., and when this job is handed over to them? The link to the video in my last post shows that Pete Barnes and his partner rescued someone, but the RAF and police had rescued people from the same river in the past.
The video makes a point of informing us that Great North Air Ambulance did not have a winch.
Was Pete Barnes and his flying featured in any of the movies that he worked on, or was his role transporting VIPs to the movie shoots? Was Pete Barnes a “stunt double” for other pilots?
Could a roof rack be damaged by a helicopter attempting a tricky landing, and would it leave tracks in the ground when it landed?
(Footnote: Russell Williams sent a Search and Rescue team by helicopter from the air force base he commanded to search his victim, Jessica Lloyd, who was not found. She was likely still in his garage at that time.)
Q
17 Jan, 2013 – 5:07 pm
“did he fly over the Alps in September 2012 in some capacity, for news coverage or air ambulance”
Good question Q I have a vague recollection of seeing some footage of a helicoptor at the scene in flight I have no idea where it was now it might be worth having a hunt on youtube though, it would most likely be taken by reporters at the bottom of the hill after daylight the day after.
@ Mochyn69 17 Jan, 2013 – 2:13 pm
“@Bluebird 17 Jan, 2013 – 11:56 am
“It would be good to see the text of that blogpost in NR’s link.. the net nanny where I am at present doesn’t allow access to some blogs. Can somebody post it in here?”
If you mean the link about the “leaked” cable re Syria, the story is here:
“by Josh Rogin : A secret State Department cable has concluded that the Syrian military likely used chemical weapons against its own people in a deadly attack last month, The Cable has learned.”
“United States diplomats in Turkey conducted a previously undisclosed, intensive investigation into claims that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad used chemical weapons, and made what an Obama administration official who reviewed the cable called a “compelling case” that Assad’s military forces had used a deadly form of poison gas.”
“The cable, signed by the U.S. consul general in Istanbul, Scott Frederic Kilner, and sent to State Department headquarters in Washington last week, outlined the results of the consulate’s investigation into reports from inside Syria that chemical weapons had been used in the city of Homs on Dec. 23”
http://all4syria.info/Archive/66498
And also this:
“Posted by Alex Kane at 10:10 am January 16, 2013”
“A report that the regime of Bashar al-Assad used chemical weapons against Syrians jolted foreign policy watchers yesterday. But other news outlets have cast doubt on the story.”
http://www.alternet.org/speakeasy/alex-kane/report-syria-used-chemical-weapons-met-skepticism
@BB
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2263649/Vauxhall-Helicopter-crash-Heartbreak-family-son-Matt-Wood-killed-walked-work.html