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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • Tim V

    Bluebird
    19 Jan, 2013 – 11:00 am https://fastdata.navy.mil/info/index.htm

    I got a BIG RED WARNING when I tried to access this. Nor could I copy the warning sign. It suggested it was protected or site was trying to access my computer! I think you may have hit on something important BB NR. Were Al Hilli and Saltman working together? Is the Fastdata connection with US military purely co-incidental and insignificant?

  • NR

    @ Tim V 19 Jan, 2013 – 2:21 pm
    “The Hollywood Sign killer?”

    The absurdity is the activists try to frame him for that murder AFTER he’s in Paris and Berlin. They use photos provided to them exclusively by his family. Both of them have some reason for wanting the story to “stick”, smear him and insure a conviction regardless.

    The activists to cover their first frame-up, because their donors are now heavily invested in the story. They would be angry and delete the activist groups from their wills if that is revealed as a hoax. This is a big, phony charity business; hundreds of millions, like Lance Armstrong and Jimmy Savile.

    The family to cover up and discredit any tales he may tell involving childhood abuse, circa 1987, connected to political elites.

    The soundtrack music, and other musical references, are all 1987.

  • Tim V

    can I just emphasise that exerpt above – Pegasus (the untamable horse) sprung from the sea god Poseidon Medusa was pregnant by Poseidon. When Perseus beheaded her, Pegasus, a winged horse, and Chrysaor, a golden sword-wielding giant, sprang from her body.(“Chevaline” development of “Polaris” launched from submarine)

    “Operation Medusa” (September 2–17, 2006) was a Canadian-led offensive during the second Battle of Panjwaii of the war in Afghanistan. WIKIPEDIA

    Abstract
    With the words quoted above, the new Secretary of State for Defence in the Thatcher government revealed for the first time the existence of a project that have remained a closely guarded secret, even from amny Cabinet members of four governments, since the late 1960s. Despite the passage of more thatn 20 years since Mr Pym’s announcement, the story of the Chevaline project still remains largely unknown outside a small group of select politicians, officials and scientists. This article sets out to use recently declassified documents and what is in the public domain to tell the story of Chevaline from the secret debates about the need to improve Britain’s Polaris deterrent force shortly after it was deployed in the late 1960s to the official announcement of the project in 1980 and its eventual operational deployment in 1982. In particular, attention is focused on three main questions: Why was the project kept secret for so long? Why did the improvement programme take so long to come to fruition? Why, given the spiralling costs involved, was it not cancelled? http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0141-2390312331279718

    Operation Pegasus was a military operation carried out on the Lower Rhine near the village of Renkum, close to Arnhem in the Netherlands. Overnight on 22–23 October 1944, the Allies successfully evacuated a large group of men trapped in German occupied territory who had been in hiding since the Battle of Arnhem.WIKI

    8:58AM, FRI 24 AUG 2012 POLICE OPERATION
    Operation Pegasus goes after criminalsThe police also used Automatic Number Plate Recognition systems on six bridges to identify cars belonging to criminal suspects. 192 vehicles were stopped and 13 vehicles seized. The Metropolitan Police has arrested a total of 21 individuals – including a convicted serial sex offender wanted for another sex assault – during an operation across London targeting gang members and other criminals using London’s transport routes to travel across the capital.

    Operation Pegasus saw around 300 officers deployed across six London bridges and key train and bus hubs between 7pm last night (Thursday 23 August) and 1am this morning (Friday 24 August). http://www.itv.com/news/london/2012-08-24/operation-pegasus-goes-after-criminals/

    List of coalition military operations of the Iraq War – Wikipedia, the …
    en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_coalition_military_operations_of_…ShareWas a U.S. Army operation aimed at ending insurgent run Black Market fueling ….. Operation Mustang Socko, 20041014, 20041014, along the Tigris River

  • Tim V

    How literary allusion keeps finding its way into present day military activity. If as we think this was a govt sponsored hit, what would it be called? And that big London police operation – what were they really looking for?

  • NR

    @ bluebird 19 Jan, 2013 – 2:08 pm Just for the records:
    “Gareth Williams grew up and went to school in Anglesay (North Wales). Bradley Manning grew up and went to school in North Wales.”

    I one time looked briefly if there was any connection, but didn’t see an obvious one.

    I agree that Williams was most likely gay, and he probably had a bit of Asperger’s which might have made social connections difficult. They said after the bike races he seldom socialized with other club members. No mention of or photos with girlfriends or boyfriends either. In fact, very few photos at all.

    And he didn’t have a Facebook page! Very suspicious. What was he hiding? 🙂

  • Q

    What happens to the flight logs of helicopter pilots in the U.K. and France? How often are they monitored? Must this data be submitted to government, or is it held at the companies who own the helicopters, until requested or reviewed by aviation authorities? Is a pilot’s flight log his or her own property? Would it be carried with the pilot at all times, as I believe it was?

  • Tim V

    Bucephalus is the name of a horse; the famous horse of Alexander the great. Bucephalus was the beloved horse of world-defeating Macedonian Alexander the Great. As the historian Plutarch describes, Alexander, a little boy, controlled the wild Bucephalus by rotating his head in the direction of the sun, in that way stopping the horse from being scared of his own gloominess.

    Alexander then named the horse Bucephalus which means “ox-head”, for the reason that the horse’s head gave the impression as wide as a bull’s head. Bucephalus conceded Alexander on many armed operations and finally died in the combat. On this happening, Alexander apparently wept at the horse’s burial and initiates the city of Bucephala to remembrance of his horse’s deeds. http://www.blurtit.com/q367448.html

  • Q

    @Pink: So now we know that Peter Barnes had worked for the police. Do you recognize any of that equipment from the helicopter at Chevaline in the photos posted on the Helivision website?

    @Straw44berry: Did you see the dark green 4X4 on the Helivision website? It is towing a fuel tank on a trailer. Now, a fuel tank would weigh a lot. A trailer might have a narrower wheelbase than the vehicle towing it. The heavy cargo might make the trailer sink into the ground, if the ground was wet.

    @All: Didn’t the early stories about Saad al-Hilli mention that the MoD had supplied him with equipment to run his aerial survey company? That’s curious, because Peter Barnes had worked for the MoD. His services as a pilot and his helicopters were used. He sometimes flew for people who owned helicopters, but needed a pilot on a contract basis. He had aerial photography equipment available along with his flying skills, too. At the time of his death he was flying a helicopter that belonged to another company, not his own. I do not know if he flew fixed wing aircraft any more.

    We are not spinning in circles, we’re going back over previous information in light of new information, which is a very useful thing.

  • holmes.pt

    All, you have lost the reason !. You talk about everything and anything !. Some dignity and respect for the families of the deceased. This forum is to discover the TRUTH ! The perpetrators for the killings, laugh at you, they laugh at you!.
    Move !. Focus on the facts!.

  • bluebird

    Q

    Yes, a nurse. I did not know that there is the description “theatre” used in British hospitals.

    I still believe that fastdata and the new “Sarasota” internet protocol invented by Surrey Satellites are a key find in that case. An internet data protocol not using TCP/IP as its data protocol is a nightmare for government internet control.

    http://www.sstl.co.uk/News-and-Events?story=1254

    I am pretty much convinced that SAH worked on internet protocols and database design for satellite data and therefore for the Saratoga project. That would explain the fastdata ltd. of Jack Saltman who has nothing to do with software and hardware due to his previous job as a journalist and investigator and who is no generation who is usually dealing with fast data and new and progressive internet protocols.

    I believe that we must include his neighbour not just as a friend who knew something what he did not want to tell in public but who was obviously running a company with SAH.

    “Slaughter of Horses” or better said: getting rid of all Trojan horses in intelligence organisations.

  • bluebird

    Daily Mail already said in early September that SAH worked for the DMC satellites who used the Saratoga fastdata protocol.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2200388/Did-French-Alps-murder-victims-secret-work-space-satellite-contract-make-prime-assassination-target.html

    There is a confirmation that he worked for the DMC subdivision by daily mail.

    So we have DMC with the fastdata Saratoga protocol used first in DMC satellites and his neighbour who runs fastdata ltd. and who surprisingly knows about his business secrets he don’t want to tell us. …Coincidence? I say nay!

  • Q

    @Bluebird: I did find satellites mentioned in my reading of Peter Barnes’ webpage and the other website he had linked.

    Another thing: a nurse, yes, but look at the territory that hospital serves, including Aldermaston.

  • bluebird

    Quote (Saratoga internet protocol)

    …. performed joint research with Cisco Systems on advance routing techniques for space-based and aeronautic-based networks. Of particular interest is large scale, secure deployment of mobile networks,including Mobile IP and mobile router technology. Recent accomplishments include being first to demonstrate and deploy secure mobile networks in an operational government network,the USCoastGuard, first to deploy Mobile-IP Mobile networking on a space-based asset, the Cisco router in LowEarthOrbit(CLEO), first to deploy Internet Protocol security(IPsec) and Internet Protocol version 6 on a space based asset, and first to deploy delay/disruption network technology bundling protocol in space.

    +++

    I knew that such a protocol will be used by military and intelligence for secret fast data transmission. This is a new non TCP/IP based internet.

    Chance that SAH worked for that project: 99%
    Fastdata ltd?

  • Q

    @Bluebird: We know that SAH took a trip to France in late 2011 for his work with DMC. That is when he took the ferry.

    Peter Barnes and Saad al-Hilli worked on different sides of the aerial photography business. The Surrey Satellites’ DMC division provides near real-time imagery. For real-time imagery, there’s no substitute for a plane or helicopter in the air. I think there is a strong possibility that the two were connected, and that the neighbor was, too.

    Reviewing this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster_Monitoring_Constellation
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK-DMC
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK-DMC_2

    As you say…

  • NR

    He worked at a rocket factory and the Dutch were pressuring him to spill secrets and when he wouldn’t they intended to deport him back to Russia. [No mention of a red beet or a small green cabbage in his mouth, so it’s probably legit.] 🙂
    “Oppositionist Dolmatov commits suicide in the Netherlands”
    http://www.itar-tass.com/en/c142/624660.html

    Russian gangsta news: “Notorious criminal leader assassinated in Moscow. The Moskovsky Komsomolets writes that Azerbaijani criminal leader Rovshan Dzhaniyev, also known as Rovshan Lenkoransky, is believed to be one of the possible masterminds behind the assassination.”
    http://www.itar-tass.com/en/c142/623550.html

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