The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
http://spooks.wikia.com/wiki/Operation_Sugar_Horse
http://spooksfanblog.com/2010/08/03/sugarhorse-spymania-or-reality/
Quote:
Re. Sugarhorse: I’ve always associated it with the Trojan Horse, but the name Sugar because these are spies that are sweet/palatable to MI-5.Tireseus: isn’t it strange how the spy world looks to Greek mythology to supply the symbolic names?
++++
This is perhaps fiction, but another link that MI5/6 agents are “horses”.
Opium and the CIA. A reason for 2 CIA branches?
Both in Mexico and in Afghanistan, the CIA allegedly supports drug lords and cartels. Had the wars been for drug cartels? Was Patraeus’ end caused by drug barons?
Are recent events such as 9/11, Aurora and Sandy Hook planned by intelligence but performed by drug mobsters? We can find strong links to the Latin Kings both in Aurora and in Sandy Hook and we have confirmed drug smuggling links in pre 9/11 preparations.
Here are some interesting links:
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/bill-conroy/2011/09/court-pleadings-point-cia-role-alleged-cartel-immunity-deal
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/bill-conroy/2011/07/us-court-documents-claim-sinaloa-cartel-protected-us-government
http://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2012/11/01/video-the-sinaloa-mexican-drug-cartel-is-a-cia-subsidary/
And in Afghanistan:
http://naturalnews.com/034289_Afghanistan_opium_trade.html
http://www.infowars.com/fox-news-makes-excuse-for-cias-afghan-opium-cultivation/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-fires-mcchrystal-selects-petraeus-to-oversee-opium-fields-in-afghanistan.html
They wont tell us that they are the worlds’ #1 drug traders.
Their Mobsters will do the dirty jobs.
Could all the wars and assassinations be nothing else than international drug wars?
A most unusual connection between Aurora and the CIA movie “Argo”.
http://www.westword.com/2013-01-17/news/argo-golden-globes-science-fiction-land/full/
@ bluebird 21 Jan, 2013 – 10:51 am
“… isn’t it strange how the spy world looks to Greek mythology to supply the symbolic names?”
In the myth of the ship Argo taking Jason and the Argonauts after the golden fleece, on the return journey a horse or horses draws the ship. Then the argonauts must carry it for 9 days on their shoulders to reach Libya.
The plate was MI5 RYY someone on Icke suggested Misery
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061259466&postcount=66
From Tim V’s link to the story of NDS chip hacking and Murdoch up above: “The odds against two different files being saved at the same minute in a year are 500,000 to one.”
I wonder what the odds are of, say, a file being uploaded from Montreal and another file, supposedly totally unrelated, but containing one image that appears derived from the Montreal file, and touching upon the same subject matter, being uploaded from Gainesville, Florida within 6 hours of each other. I’m not good at statistics, but I’ll try and extrapolate from the above numbers later.
NR
Here is a more detailed report about the CIA ARGO movie.
It is very interesting to read because it shows how CIA works together with Hollywood and how everything is being fake, including names and identities and even reports in media.
Worth reading to support understanding the SAH story, too.
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2007/04/feat_cia/
Straw
Honestly, to me that plate number looks like a deliberately left greeting card, perhaps left by another organisation. Like:
Greetings to/by
“MI5, yeah, yeah, yeah!”
Do we know the name of the driver/owner of that car? To whom it was registered? Was it the dead victim’s car?
Once again i repeat the question for British bloggers: Can you buy plate numbers in the UK with your preferred number? E.g.”LOVEYOU1″ ?
What we have to accept Pink
21 Jan, 2013 – 12:13 am is that all witness statements are notoriously unreliable but over and above this, in view of the circumstances we need to be particularly sceptical. I don’t agree with some on here who have suggested that no one is reliable. I see no reason why average local people (Martinet’s “old lady’s behind curtains” so hated of the intelligence community) should intentionally, though of course they may always be mistaken. For this reason I tend to believe the time and nature of the heard shots which it is reasonable to presume were the fatal one, the time the BMW went past the builders but less sure about a Green 4×4 and motor bike passing them which appears a bit of an addendum, the retreating small white Peugeot. What else can we rely on. Well there are the aerial shots that provide important information relating to the crime scene that we can place time wise because it is after the bodies were removed but before the vehicles were removed which approximates to about mid day on Thursday 6th September. (Someone one else may be prepared to fix the time more precisely from the video coverage of vehicles arriving and leaving) So WE have no photos of the crime scene immediately following though the fire and police who arrived had both still and video of the scene it was stated. Where that crucial evidence is now is anybody’s guess. Perhaps the public should be told. As mentioned we also have all that video reportage of comings and goings at the distant road block, interview with some witnesses, newspaper reports and official announcements, mainly by Maillaud. This excludes Britain where official announcements on the progress of the investigation have been virtually nil.
James
Could you kindly check for us whether or not there was a “NOFLY” zone in the close area of the SIS building?
I really can’t believe that it was allowed for helicoptors or light airplanes to fly over the SIS building, particularly after there had been a missile attack launched to that building several years ago. Do we know about what kind of defense systems they use on that building?
So who and what does that leave us with? Well, we can be fairly sure that the emergency vehicles arrived as described, in order Fire and Emergency Rescue first, then Ambulance then Police in fairly close order sirens blazing and witnessed by members of the public. They will have the exact time of arrival, but again rather strangely this was never announced or confirmed. Is this natural French secrecy. It would be normal to do so in Britain. (The only significant time officially announced was the notorious 3.48 pm call, which I saw as the “Canary in the Cage” of an odourless gas of deception that started me on this trail.) I estimate the emergency vehicles arrived on scene, described as “soon after four pm” by the media, as being in the “window” between 4.15 and 4.30pm. It’s possible I might be out by five minutes but I doubt any more than that. From this we can work bacwards to test the Martin/Didierjean account, for they say “as they were leaving the emergengency vehicles were starting to arrive”. So we may conclude they were leaving the scene around 4.15. As this was before they had got back in Didierjean’s car, we must assume, given the narrowness of the road, they allowed all the emergency vehicles to pass before driving (or in the case of Martin, cycling, off) One strange aspect to this, that the police having responded to a murder call, must have driven past these individuals and the two women plus parked car without stopping and taking their details – rather surprising you may think.
What about ‘mitigating’ Mr. Hague?
[Perhaps buying a sabre in The Hague for the purpose?]
Martin I think indicates they spoke to the police on scene but where and how this happened we do not know, folowed by a long interrogation back at the police station we presumein Annecy. How they got there we also dont know. It is important because Martin was on his bike so if he went in the police car, which should by rights have happened to reduce to a minimum any chance of interference, his bike would have had to be conveyed by someone else. Or did he cycle home, wash and change before toddling off to the cop shop for his debrief? His clothes and bike were material evidence but there has been no indication what, if anything, the police did with them. In all normal police investigations, Martin would have been treated as a material witness, even chief suspect, unless and until he could prove otherwise. There was never a suggestion of this and he was almost immediately announced as person who raised the alarm (a lie) and the hero of the hour. I am not sure when this statement was first made, perhaps someone else could pin it exactly. It is important because if it was released before he was properly interviewed, it indicates the authorities knew who he was and were following a rehearsed script, rather than normal police procedures.
@Straw – I don’t see it. Have you got a link? (Btw see Icke)
So now I get to (and about time I hear you saying) the remaining “actors” in this drama on whom we rely to reconstruct events. I am of course referring to Martin, Didierjean and his companions,Zainab and Zeena as immediate or soon after witnesses and Maillaud as official “Raconteur”. As I said above all witness statements have to be treated with care but even more so these individuals. Let me mention the girls first: amazingly both have been described as dead, Zainab by Maillaud no less; Zeena in that uncorrected Mirror piece I copied here. Then we have the conflicting reports of the nature and serious ness of the injuries: Zainab was said to have suffered from three bullet wounds that in the end appear to be discounted entirely, and a fractured skull yet the recovery and placement with foster carers within days just wouldn’t support it. But leaving all that aside there is their ages and the fact that the younger was apparently hidden for so long. The more important of the two is clearly Zainab. However both appear to have been closeted away and allowed only minimal contact with the extended family. This raises very significant child welfare issues and the rather ominous possiblility of manipulation by the British authorities. If the press loose interest who is there to make sure their welfare and protection from undue influence or danger are paramount? Can separation from the extended family at such a hugely stressful time be justified? We know virtually nothing of their interpretation of events other than what the Maillaud told us which helpfully fitted his later hypothesis of the “lone deranged killer”. “One bad man” she is reported to have said and that the attack started “As soon as they arrived” which conveniently fits Maillaud’s 3.15 photo timeline but absolutely nothing else.
Felix
I have posted a link here with the complete plate number. I posted that link i believe 1 or 2 days after the accident. There were several pictures from different angles showing the VW and its plate completely.
So that leaves us with Martin and Didierjean. That two people named such were somehow involved and broadly along the lines described, cannot be denied, but beyond that we have to proceed with great caution. Besides the strong liklihood of both being agents of their respective states, big credibility question marks have been raised against both, perhaps Martin even more than Didierjean. His credibility is undermined by the changed story relating to Mollier passing him (first halfway up, then as they left Chevaline, then seeing him in front of him, which as Pink has pointed out could only happen if he was gaining on him) Which of these we choose is rather up to us but as I have previously explained in detail, his arrival time HAS to be at or immediately after 3.30 if Mollier was already dead by this time. Then we have his two versions (at least) of car and bike overtaking him both up and down. Again take your choice. Also the rather unbelievable statement as a highly trained pilot, that he remembered no details of the vehicles or sound of weapons. Then the very strange details of unnecessarily moving the dead Mollier and searching him, despite realising this was no accident, and of misrepresenting the location of Mollier despite giving it away by saying that he “went around the other side of the car” to turn it off. These are just some of the reasons we cannot wholly trust Mr Martin’s version of events.
Then there is Mr Didierjean and his companions. Can we trust him? Well the biggest reason for doubt apart from the impression they were walking at first, then in a car, then the differing times to try and accomodate him, rather than Martin making the first call at 3.48, is the fact that despite him being described as “living locally” we can’t find him anywhere. There is the confusion over when, when, how and to whom he made the first telephone call and how it could be confused with an Englishman making it who couldn’t speak French. And one further detail, after I had raised the issue here about his meeting with Martin, and how there had been no mention of blood on him despite him dragging the blood soaked Mollier, miraculously a report emerged that Didierjean had noticed his “bloody hands”. This would be OK except for the fact that Martin in reference to breaking the window glass, was wearing (cyling presumably) gloves. So even this bit of the puzzle becomes unreliable.
The truth therefore lies obscured in a mountain mist, containing elements of all the stories, some more reliable than others. As to your refence to the builders Pink, we should remember that an alternative route to access and leave the Combe d’Ire, not passing them at all to the east at the bottom of the hill. Killers might well choose this route in preference to pass less houses and a settlement until further away. So I with them, am not so sure about the reliability of them seeing a 4×4 and motorbike. Only by interviewing them personally could the veracity of it be tested. IF the 4×4 DID go up before it had to be located somewhere. It could have waited in that timber yard at the bottom of the hill and waited for both Al Hillis and Mollier to pass. It could have waited until someone like the white car driver or Martin gave the signal that all the targets were in place and could move in. Or it could have been parked up before Al Hilli and Mollier arrived in a positin indicated by the tyre marks of the killers vehicle. If it was indeed a marked Forestry vehicle and the occupants dressed/acting as such it might not have discouraged Al Hilli to remain awaiting the arrival of Mollier. We don’t know other than suggest it was one or other of these. If they were up there ahead of Al Hilli it very obviously blows Martins story *as reported by a wide section of the press initially) that the 4×4 went past him on the way up, right out of the water for it would mean that the Bmw would have had to pass him too. You choose.
@Bluebird
21 Jan, 2013 – 1:05 pm
Of course you can buy personalised number plates in the UK.
Also UK media regularly pixellate the nunmbers of official cars, HMQ, the PM, other official govenmenrt cars, and some celebs.
Maybe they did this just to prevent any speculation or conspiracy theory this time.
On the other hand, Neil Heywood used to cruisde around Beijing in an old Jag with a numberplate 007!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204846304578090740894694144.html
@ Bluebird
Sorry I was referring to the missing Google street image of Chevaline (my laziness) which Straw flagged up.
Thanks though for pointing me to the helicopter site at Icke – all very strange. I have been researching a faked crash in the US there from a few years ago. I found it very strange in the London incident when a witness said she (I think it was a she) had seen the helicopter hit the crane when others said it was shrouded in cloud. I’ll look in at the forum now. Ah, I now see the Guardian found a witness who saw it:
http://krumstets.blogspot.co.uk/?zx=accf947dd77d6721
but he hasn’t blogged about it yet….
{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIcZ8FpemM4}
Felix @ 2.44 pm what link dont you see, the car reg M15 RYY?
Dont u see it here:-
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061259466&postcount=66
@straw
see my earlier comment – my fault, was referring to the Google street of Chevaline comment. Have just posted at Icke helicopter also.
RYY means:
1)”The Royal Yachtmaster”
2) could also mean: “Cobb County – McCollum Airport, Marietta, Georgia USA”
3) could mean absolutely nothing as well.
Just in case that it was a kind “greeting card” deliberately “pushed” into that picture ….
M15 RYY
1999 Volkswagen Golf S
Body Type 5 Door Hatchback
Fuel Type Petrol
Colour Green
Transmission Automatic
Date of Liability 01 10 2013
Date of First Registration 13 01 1999
Felix,
I remember now, I’d forgotten the slightly blotted out satellite view. Try these coordinates:-
45.76121,6.221255
Bizarre comment from one witness to the helicopter crash, that it sounded like a gas explosion. How many people are familiar with gas explosions, other than in movies? And how many people are always worried about 9/11?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2263250/Helicopter-crash-Vauxhall-London-Eyewitness-accounts-flower-market-worker-hit-falling-gear-box.html
Kenneth brings us back to the question of the big picture. When we look at the agencies and countries that dealt with Libya, and the ones involved in Syria, and now Mali (including Algeria in that scenario), it begs the question of similar interagency involvement at Chevaline, IMO.
@NR: Of course, St. George the dragon slayer is a famous military saint.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_George
@NR: Yakuza have gone low-key nowadays, and apparently dumped the punch perm look in favor of blending in.
@Bluebird: Note the date of this article, only two days before Chevaline took the stage:
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/141163/cia-chief-petraeus-pays-surprise-visit-to-turkey-.html