The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Suhayl Saadi
12 Feb, 2013 – 8:57 pm
“Please indicate which of these you think it might have been, or if you think some other party did it, please feel free to say. Thank you, again.
In this forum, your request this conditioned the goodwill of its members. They are interested in discovering a truth based on conspiracy theory. For them it is a real movie or TV show, CSI type, is like being in front of the TV. It’s addictive, I myself am addicted to discover the truth. But I do not believe in conspiracy theories are just coincidences.
I have said and say again, at light of the littles informations I have and after searching for several months: The family SAH was executed because they could recognize the killers of SM. Recognize how? : Uniform, car badges. That’s my theory, that are not valued by forum members and not by the authorities.
Why is not taken into account by the authorities?
We have three possibilities:
1) The responsblies agents for the massacres are under investigation, but police have not yet found sufficient evidence to prosecute. Spent 5 months does not really believe in this possibility.
2) The responsiblies agents for the massacre are under government pressure, the case of multiple suicides confirmed, which respond to it to say that the government and its policy against these agents would be partly responsible for the events.
3) If there is a relationship between events and a familiar problem with SM, we have the political connections of the father of SM. For example the “Beast 74”. Just ask to the mother of SM who could be the murderer of his son (information disclosed on this forum).
correction: no “the father of SM” but “the father-in-law”
Marilyn Z. Tomlins reopened her blog to add a synopsis of a French TV show that re-enacted the killings at Martinet. As she says, not much new, but there was one item on how they learned of the younger girl, and the timing of journalists arriving “on scene” — don’t know if they meant Martinet or at the bottom of the hill.
http://www.marilynztomlins.com/articles/the-chevaline-shootings-saad-al-hilli-sylvain-mollier-brett-martin-philippe-didierjean-and-xavier-baligant/
Apparently the girls’ aunt is moving legally to adopt them. Read readers’ comments at bottom too.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276427/Saad-al-Hilli-Orphans-Alps-massacre-adopted-aunty-foster-care.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Holmes.Pt –
Your theory has been receiving the same play as any others proposed. it’s just that it’s also being put through the same scrutiny and has a few holes that have to be filled before others are willing to jump on board.
here are a few questions for you:
1. A crime motive is indeed a possibility, with SM as the potential victim. That has not been discounted. SAH coming upon the crime scene and killed as a witness is also a possibility. However, here’s the problem: would such a criminal go as far as to shoot all the occupants of the vehicle AND the young girl? does that really make sense? even if they could all recognize the killer(s) it all sounds rather efficient for basically amateur killers; so effective so fast! and if they are so effective and so ruthless, why not be sure they killed the girl Zainab too? of all the people she would have recognized the killers just as well as the women in the car whose view may have been obscured. Yet she is left alive.
2. But let’s suppose this is how it transpires with the killings. how do you explain the role of WBM arriving shortly on the scene, and the many contradictions in his story? why would WBM’s story be all twisted in knots and why would we not see more of him?
3. Who do you think made the 3:48PM phone call and why? we know it couldn’t have been WBM – who BTW would have no reason to lie and say he didn’t if he did. The timing is wrong for PD, so are you of the opinion the call was made by the killers?
4. The part I like best about your theory is that it does kind of sit OK with a french conspiracy of silence and the cover-up IF the killers were, in fact, government employees and/or powerful french agents. Still, can we believe the french are so corrupt as to let such brutal killers run around free of any questioning? wand where are the questions from the french papers? are they that much in cahoots with their own utterly corrupt police?
5. Just to complete my questions: like any of us with our town theories, yours too has to contend with the strange facts including the total absence oh photos of the victims (OK for SM but what of the al Hillis?). And what of the british silence and general obfuscation? are they too in on the crime and are working with the french to cover up for criminals?
All in all, I think your theory falls in line with others proposed that have a crime motive, be it drugs or a crime of passion. No matter how good the theory fits with SOME of the facts, it also has to contend with ALL the facts of the case. Which means you have quite a bit of a struggle to fit all the pieces together same as us, ‘conspiracy’ theories and you postulate a “conspiracy” too, I noticed – that of completely corrupt french police, forestry and justice system. Some corruption is par for the course – but that deep, and indeed that effective? the french?).
I wondered why the CIA was not on Suhayl Saadi list and did a google as I don’t know much about the murky world of agencys I found these two stories on the first page ,would SAH know anything about this as there was an out of place italian at the campsite just throwing it in as I have no idea .
http://news.sky.com/story/1051410/italys-ex-spy-chief-jailed-over-cia-rendition
……..
Old story but I thought this would interest .
SUNDAY 22 OCTOBER 1995
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html
@NR
13 Feb, 2013 – 4:19 am
It’s good to get an update on the two girls, in time it will get sorted through the legal channels at least it feels like there is someone to oversee the situation .
@ Marlin 12 Feb, 2013 – 10:37 pm
“This was all over the news today: the mystery of who was prisoner X -cleared: [snipped link since it’s pay-per-view and the views are used up] Why would israelis go to such length to hide the individual’s identity and treat him so harshly?”
“Foreign Correspondent can reveal that Mr Zygier was 34 at the time of his death and had moved to Israel about 10 years earlier. He was married to an Israeli woman and had two small children. His body was retrieved and flown to Melbourne… seven days after his death.”
“Former ASIS operative Mr Reed told the ABC: “However the transgression came about, it would have to be involved with espionage, treachery – very, very sensitive information that known to others would pose an immediate threat to Israel as a nation state.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-12/australia-suspected-of-mossad-links-dies-in-israeli-jail/4514806
Some accounts have it as, “Ben Zygier, who emigrated to Israel 12 years ago and changed his name to Ben Alon, died in 2010 in Israel. [He also had an Australian passport with the name Ben Allen.] Why, if he had an Israeli wife and children was his body repatriated to Australia?
What verifiable information could a junior spy have come across that could possibly be an existential threat to the state of Israel? It would need to be something that he could whisper to a relative or lawyer and it would need to be something that could be verified on the outside. Were prison guards obliged to wear noise canceling headphones so he couldn’t tell them?
Maybe he found a scroll in a cave proving Jesus really was the prophesied Messiah, or the reverse, that He wasn’t the Messiah at all, which would upset Christian supporters of Israel no end, or that Islam is the one true religion.
“An urgent meeting with the editors of the Israeli papers was later called by the Prime Minister’s Office. The so-called “editors’ committee” is an informal Israeli institution in which newspapers editors were given access to secret information in exchange for refraining from publishing it. According to a report in Haaretz, the meeting was called regarding an affair which “severely embarrasses” a government institution or person.”
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/12/australian-report-on-israels-prisoner-x-suggests-melbourne-man-was-mossad-agent/?partner=rss&emc=rss
That says it all all. It would “embarrass” someone. He found the encryption key to the kidvids that Jimmy Savile sent in to Mossad to blackmail politicians, or found the bank transfers of bribes to other politicians. Perhaps proof that President Obama wasn’t born in either Hawaii or Kenya, but in Israel and is double-dipping on the Mossad payroll.
@TimV
You are absolutely correct about how difficult it is to get a suicide verdict without strong corroborative evidence, else an open verdict is more likely. In the Norfolk Broads case, not only is there nothing to suggest suicide, but there is nothing either to indicate a motive for murder. I bounced this off someone and they could only say that perhaps the inquest was sloppily reported. I find it astonishing that key facts which ought to have emerged at the inquest were ingnored by the media. Either they were not brought up or perhaps some of it was held in camera??
I have tried to contact a journo who was there with no success so far.
I think the BBC Look East reporter was giving the hint in his podcast that this was no ordinary inquest and he seemed to me to be a bit suprised at the someone attenuated proceedings for such a serious case. All very curious. And we don’t even have a theory for such a biarre carry-on.
One small point, there was another serious family incident on the same weekend which may have deflected media attention from it…
http://www.itv.com/news/west/story/2012-09-02/man-and-two-children-found-dead/
Incidentally, there is a curious feature in the video – the man’s body is taken to Bristol for Post Mortem (Flax Bourton) and the children taken to Southampton for paediatric post mortem “given their age”.(11 and 3). Is this normal?
Detective Chief Inspector Ian Saunders is leading the investigation.
I am extremely keen for any sightings of Graham Anderson with the two children between Saturday 25 August and Saturday 1 September.
….same time frame as Norfolk Broads deaths – but it is the school holidays of course.
The Tidworth killings is another one which has gone cold since 5 September ..
{http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-19489131}
Following post mortem examinations, a coroner has requested further tests to establish the causes of death. [HM Coroner for Wiltshire and Swindon, David Ridley,]
Further tests??? That is the last heard of this story…
{http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2198853/Anderson-killings-Victoria-Jones-pays-tribute-murdered-sons-inquest-opened.html#axzz2KiFk9nqC}
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EpZVm4-bpQ
If you fancy a laugh…here’s the French TV showing with regard the Al Hilli shooting.
You only need watch 0.12.54 and 0.48.47.
Notice WBM is played by a very old Norman Wisdom.
And Al Hilli is played by a cousin of Omar Sharif.
Supporting cast include a group of Romanian peasants.
And Mollier was deaf ! I didn’t know that.
He just rides into the scene.
For those wondering how the crime plays out, well….
The cousin of Omar Sharif and a 16 year old Romanian peasant are taking a walk through some woods. Were upon an IRA gunman appears.
They run off back towards their car…which is also parked smack bang in the middle of the woods !
The cousin of Mr Sharif makes it to the car….and starts it up to make his getaway….forwards !
But as the ground inside the forest is wet (grass, leaves, mud etc) his wheels spin (that’s BMW’s traction control for you).
The IRA gunman wanders over to the drivers side of the car and shoots. That’s the end of Al Hilli.
The shootings continue….
Then in rides the younger deaf Mollier ! He is also shot.
Shrtly there after, when the IRA gunman has left, Norman Wisdom cycles up.
Norman, who looks like he could only possibly ride for 15 minutes every other week…starts to check Mollier….and has a look through the BMW’s open drivers window.
At that point….with fits of laughter…. I had to stop !
On the basis of “that” documentary, I would conclude it was infact Mollier who was the target.
That conclusion is based ONLY on the fact that the French are lying b*****’s and that they alone would even dare to air such rubbish !
Oh…and Sa’ads caravan.
It grew bigger and turned into a chalet !
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The translation of that is ‘Do not believe everything in the article above’
James’ you tube video in French is available with English subtitles by clicking on the caption button and after a bit of fiddling being allowed to pick English.
Straw.
I’ll have to have a proper read.
When I found it, I just skipped through.
I was shocked how they portrayed the main people.
Totally bizarre.
No roof rack. Wrong location. The age of Martin. A deaf Mollier.
The “lone gunman”. The attempted getaway. etc etc etc.
Everytime I look at the pictures…and “watch” the developments of this case, I can’t help feeling I am being “punted” to.
The helo pics of Claygate, did we know which “News” Co took them ?
Was it Sky News ?
….and do you know who’s helicopter it was ?
It was the Surrey based one that crashed was it ???
Christopher Dorner:-
Earlier, we reported that U.S. Marshals Service district chief Kurt Ellingson told us a suspect tried to get out the back door of the cabin at some point today and was pushed back inside. But there are now conflicting reports about whether the suspect ever emerged.
From here:-
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/12/police-checking-reports-that-ex-lapd-officer-dorner-sighted/comment-page-47/
I watched that youtube movie. Pity that 99% of our population believe that BS. Simply because our free TV and our free press never lie. HAHA!
This is ridiculous. I mean, did they really carry a house with their BMW? WBM was cycling with a basket in front of his WW2 military bike? I just missed the TESCO bags hanging from his bike and then i would have thought that he is a homeless poor old guy.
However, what is still a riddle:
The police was there at 4:30. On Sept. 5th there is natural light until at least 8:30 pm. In that report it appears that they started searching for evidence only after 9pm. And only much later they were looking into that car for the first time? No MDs confirming death? What if one of them were alive? In every crime scene the first thing they do are checking whether or not the victims are alive. The second thing are photos of the victims and the third thing is removal of corpse. Only then they will begin to investigate for bullets and evidence.
The BMPD car transporting the dead corpse from the scene was photographed at daylight. Does that mean that they left dead bodies in that car for more than 17 hours, all night? Horrible! Totally unusual and without any predecense. That was the first crime in history where the police was unable to remove dead bodies from a crime scene in less than 2 hours.
Why had no journalist ever asked that question?
Other than that, the French movie was the most lunatic BS i had ever seen. Produced by the stupid for the stupid.
Thinking of the “dead” bodies in the car for such a long time of at least more than 17 hours before they were removed:
An extraction isnt unlikely. Perhaps there were no dead bodies and no kids at all. Perhaps SM was really just coming at the wrong time, realising how WBM shot bullets into an empty car and therefore he had to be removed as a disturbing witness. And he was shot dead.
The children (different ones, perhaps brought in from an orphans center in Iraq (we had links to “Orphans of Iraq” closeby that scene with the house of that British guy at Combe d’Ire. Unfortunately there was a translation error in the French extraction script and they originally thought that there was only one girl. So it took 8 hours to find and bring in second child that was not hurt and it had somehow had to setup a story about why she was not seen.
Blue.
I have heard of it before.
The body remaining in situ…and overnight.
The report written by the French journo at the scene (the one talking to EM) did write in her “blog” in which she recorded that day (or the next day) that the Grenoble team arrived around 8pm.
It was also recorded somewhere (when the question was asked by a French newspaper) that there was some confusion as to who had checked the bodies.
The confusion lay between the Fire/Rescue Service, a doctor(s) that arrived with them (?) and later with the Grenoble Forensics team.
All (it is said) had to wait (We freeze zee scene. We always freeeeze zee scene !) until the “Paris” team arrived !
HOWEVER, they had obtained the passports…and had gone to the campsite ! Huh ! How ?
And there is the other problem. Eric said that (and this must be to do with the “wait”) that it was a holiday maker at the campsite that alerted police to the fact there was another child.
The police then rushed (VIA HELICOPTER NO LESS !) to look for the child at the scene.
The “kidnap” story is total RUBBISH.
It actually fits better with “All teams arrived, but were instructed to wait before starting any forensic activity” and that wait meant they did not find the second child.
The “kidnap” caper was mentioned way back on the 6th (I recall I was stood with a dutch chap and I missed it as I was preparing for work and he later mentioned it. By the time I watched the news again, later in the evening, the story had of course changed and the press were asking why the delay…and the “search by helicopter” was being punted).
So…. how did they get to the campsite on the eve of the 5th ?
They had “documents” relating to the campsite…from the unopened car ???
They had passports…from the unopened car ???? (but not the youngest girls one) ???
So they left poor SM on the forest surface for more than 17 hours? Totally unbelievable. The insects and the worms were amused and perhaps it took them 10 hunters to get rid of wild animals, cats, mice, birds, etc. for having their 5 courses gault milliaud menu that evening.
I believe as one option that they simply had only one girl cast substitute and forgot to cast the second girl due to a translation faux pas of the UK script. It took them 8 hours to find a suitable substitute cast of that age and bringing her to the hospital. Then the unbelievable story with the overseen girl is released to press who friendly believe them every BS.
I have never heard of a crime scene (except for war scenes and catastrophes) that dead corpse is left on a scene for more than 2 hours. There are even laws that would prohibit dead corpse being laid down in a forest or anywhere else outside of a cemetary.
Marlin
12 Feb, 2013 – 10:37 pm I couldn’t access that story you posted. I don’t suppose you could summarise the gist of it? Thanks.
In humans, it commences after about three to four hours, reaches maximum stiffness after 12 hours, and gradually dissipates until approximately 48 to 60 hours after death
Rigor Mortis
Holmes.Pt
12 Feb, 2013 – 11:54 pm You’ve put your head above the parapet. You obviously think the killings were done by person(s) in French State organisation uniform targetted against exclusively SM but not averse to killing three other adults. You don’t say why but infer it might have been some personal (passionate?) reason. Then suicides? Are you referring to the high suicide rate in the Forestry Dept. already referred to. Are you inferring this was a family sponsored killing utilizing uniformed individuals? This has never been ruled out but if so we have to have a convincing reason for the location. Why did SM specifically go there possibly telling his partner he was going elsewhere? Why did the Al Hilli’s go there, not for picnic or walk obviously. And how about WBM ? Was he just there by accident? In which case why the confusion over the first telephone call? And if this was just a rather exotic “domestic” why the extrordinary, unprecidented reaction by French and British authorities? So although I agree the CS family issue might prove sufficient motivation, or even the Forestry or Police staff might have been involved, I don’t think, given all the circumstances it is sufficient. Surely if the investigators were in the know, local people would have been taken in for questioning by now and Maillaud would have been spared poinying in every direction but the right one? I get the feeling you may be local and know SM’s family even? There must be local theories and maybe you are even placing them in the (semi) public domain?
This was MZT’s post from yesterday:
“I understand that for those who live outside France it is not possible to watch the TMC video, so I will briefly tell you what was new.
Briefly: little.
They mainly reran news clips which we have all seen and they retold the story with actors playing the protagonists. Saad was a thin man and had blond hair; Zainab looked like a teenager; the 4-year-old looked like she was seven; Sylvain Mollier in cycling outfit had thick black hair, bushy eyebrows and black eyes and looked about 22. Brett Martin looked 75, was thin, wore glasses and his hair was wispy.
What I learned that I did not know were the following:
1. The gendarmes already knew the Al-Hillis’ identity in the afternoon from documents they had found in the boot of the BMW. Therefore, knowing that the family had stayed at a camp-site, they went to the camp-site and were told that the family consisted of a husband and wife, an older woman, and two girls. They then started to look for the younger girl, but could not find her which had them believe that she had been kidnapped and that was the reason for the killing. For forensic reasons they could not open the car doors so found the little girl only when the forensic guys arrived from Paris and they opened the car doors. She did not say a word, did not make a sound, she was petrified with fear. The gendarmes did not tell the gathering journalists that there was a child missing; journalists, by the way, got to the murder scene almost immediately after the police.
2. The two girls are at a safe house and under police protection and will remain there ‘until the end of the investigation’.
There was speculation about the sequence of the killing and also about the shooter. A gun dealer said that the Luger is not a gun used by professionals. The number of shots fired pointed to a crazed killer, owner of an old Luger.
Journalists speculated that Saad and Zainab were outside the car and came upon the killer who then opened fire on them. Both ran for the car and Saad started the ignition but the wheels got stuck and he was shot dead. Zainab did not manage to get to the car. Well, this we knew and had discussed.
Sylvain Mollier came upon the massacre and was shot down too. There was no hint that he was the primary target.
So: the crime was not solved and the story goes on …”
I have re-posted it because it illustrates even at this stage, how the media cannot, it seems get a thing right. Can this be incompetence? Or is it part of what appears to be a confusion issue from start to finish?
A couple of observationes arising from it. Maralyn says the press were there almost immediately after the police. Presumably this indicates they were officially informed although it may have been just the local “Jungle Telegraph”. It would be interesting though to log who was there and when as an indication how quickly they were informed. Presumably the main news agencies/TV/papers had to come some distance. Did they hot foot it down there or were they conveniently in the vicinity?
Then as for all the early reconstructions using graphics it would be interesting to know on what these were based? Was it official police sources or was it gleaned from informal chats with them? Whatever, they were out there prior to the site being opened up two days after the event. They uniformly place the sprawled body (in different positions) of SM next to his bike in the front RH quarter of the car. This couldn’t have been accidental. They must have reflected what the police told them unless it was just pure guesswork. Yet we know for a fact Mollier was shot, collapsed, bled profusely and died on the opposite side of the car, adjacent to the passenger side and WBM confirms this (perhaps unintentionally) in his TV interview.
Then they all show the used shell casings next to the off-side rear door. Again this must have come from an official source as they all repeat it. A later one indicates casings scattered on the LH side of the car. They can’t all be right because as we have previously noted 10 casings were not orinally visible or counted. If the fifteen were next to the rear RH door, apart from the minor difficuty of a Luger ejecting up and to the RIGHT as previously highlighted, it leaves no casings for the other shots unless they ALL went under the car and were hidden until it was moved.
Then thirdly these early reconstructions strangely show the cyclists approaching a lay-by on their RH side! Obviously the only way this could have happened was if the bikes came DOWN the hill, not up. This fundamental error in the graphics has never been explained nor have we ever been told why the SKY reporter on the 7th September on scene, states that the bikes came down the hill. Are these just uncorrected mistakes or reflect their official briefings.
Finally with ref. to MZT’s forum, can someone PLEASE get a message to her to scotch once and for all, the official line that those tyre tracks are Al Hilli’s. As previously explained, its a physical impossibility. There is no absolute proof they are the killer’s vehicle, although it is hioghly suggestive, but they CERTAINLY ain’t Al Hilli’s BMW.
That was prompted by your post NR
13 Feb, 2013 – 4:19 am. As regards that DM article, the police/social services position re. the children can only be defended on the grounds of protecting the children as indicated. This would assume they believe a continuing threat exists. In which case from whom? Having been spared the first attack have the children now become targets also? This rather scotches the Maillaud theory of lone mad pschopath I would say. But even were it true, how would this be justification for excluding the extended family. Are they considered threats also. Or does this all belie the real reason for keeping them isolated? That they are a danger to the official story-line?
The crime I recall…was actually a frozen one !
Don’t really want to go into that one….but I think that was why.
And I now dont think it was for 17 hours !
More like “a few”.
And the body had been there for a few days already.
So my “oops” on that one.
BUT it’s good to disagree….even if I got it wrong !!
Certainly makes you (well me) relook at the facts.
Having re read that “crime”…and comparing it to this.
The hours the bodies were left is odd.
Also no “path lab” guy was called in SAH’s case until the am.
It would appear someone of that prof is called.
Or officer relating to that dept.
…and (which is “incidental” but important) was there a “specialist cleaning company” on scene ?
Quickly looked through photos….and can’t see such an “unmarked” vehicle.
It’s a growth business !
Due to “blood products” being splattered on the public byway, it has to be cleaned properly. Someone with those skills would have been allowed in I imagine AFTER the BMW was removed.
It would have been in that convoy that went up, after the car carrier left.
Any ideas how they did that job ???
Thanks for that article on the CIA and “expressionism” Pink
13 Feb, 2013 – 5:53 am. It is clear from this and the article I posted earlier, CIA ‘s tentacles reached into all cracks and crevaces. The question remains, where does the 60 BILLION dollars go today? Clearly it cannot be properly tracked or acconted for but it is an awful lot of lunches for someone.
I guess it’s helpful that the Daily Mail people read here, and answer some of our questions.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276653/Caught-camera-Moment-firefighters-tackled-blaze-oil-executives-1-8m-home-murdered-intruder.html#axzz2Khse8lVx
http://972mag.com/disappearing-articles-on-the-affair-of-a-dead-prisoner-mr-x-a-timeline/65926/
re the Tidworth deaths I found this bit rather curious Felix
13 Feb, 2013 – 7:22 am.
“A post mortem examination is being conducted at Flax Bourton near Bristol.
The post mortem examinations into the two boys, who were aged 11 and 3, are likely to be conducted over the next couple of days in Southampton.”
Bit slow there as completing your post I see you flagged this up yourself. I would say it was unusual and flax bourton??? This if I am correct was the old Mental Hospital? Maybe Southampton has specialists in child mortality?
The forensic pathologists listed below are registered by the Home Office and work in the practice area noted West and South West
Avon & Somerset
Devon & Cornwall
Dorset
Hampshire
Wiltshire
Dr DS Cook
Dr R Delaney
Dr AJ Jeffery
Dr BN Purdue
Dr H White
Find out more about the Coroner’s Office. … The HM Coroners team Avon are based at the Coroners Court at Flax Bourton. Their objectives are: To manage all …
Flax Bourton Public Mortuary | Bristol City Council
http://www.bristol.gov.uk › Births, deaths and marriages › DeathsShareby BC Council – 2011
Flax Bourton Public Mortuary provides mortuary and post mortem … person, please call the Avon Coroner’s Office on 01275 461920 or visit the burials or …