The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
CERN technology reaches the market:
http://www.srbenergy.com/pages/historia?locale=en
I think that it is very possible that other agents or enemies of the state have been made to disappear like this, I am sure I have read this before in either Spies Against Armageddon or a book I read on Carlos the Jackal “Tracking the Jackal” ill have a look at the books now and see if I can spot any mention!
Is this really any different than renditions run by the CIA, it is funny as the US have copied a lot of techniques from Israel since 9/11 like metal doors on planes, sky marshals, rendition, black prisons etc etc!
Interesting also and know I have also read this somewhere and popped into my mind – the letter X does not exist in Hebrew as with J or W, so maybe there is a prisoner J & W as well!
An unanswered question, which obviously should have been asked: How would people be able to fake an existing Australian passport, or any of the other nation’s passports, without a contact on the inside of an embassy, consular office or the passport office of those countries? Stolen passports exempted, of course.
@Ricki Tarr, 6:01 p.m.: I guess the idea of rendition against one’s own, within one’s own borders, is what makes Prisoner X different. National security agencies are not supposed to capture their own nationals within their own country, and some have a clear mandate not to do so. This case shows that it is being done, whatever is said to the contrary, and it is done to those in the employ of said security agencies at high-security clearance levels.
sorry posting a lot here – this is from Spies Against Armageddon
page 306:
A mid level operative from the Caesarea department had arrived, a few years earlier, in Australia – supposedly, to open a travel agency catering to the many Israeli young people who, just after their military service, typically travelled to the Far East and the Pacific.
His real business serving as Mossad project manager for the procurement of passports, was supported by two other Caesarea operatives and the help of a Jewish Sayan in New Zealand, The sayan helped them identify a man with cerebral palsy who was confined to his house and hardly ever went out.
The Israelis were able to get a copy of his Birth certificate and used it to file a passport application!
So Q I guess you are from the US, are you saying that the US have never renditioned their own on their own soil?
Drones and targeted killings (don’t call them assassinations)are another thing taken from the Israeli’s.
It seems the US have been steered whether they know it or not by Israel’s existing policy and would fit in to the conspiracy theory of the Israelis having something to do with 9/11 to make the US comply with its own ideas! its certainly worked!
The key to the Al-Hilli’s as already discussed is what they did in Dubai, no one has any information on this really!
Rikki.
Hammer. Nail. Head.
Who is who they are ?
You are because your passport says you are.
he extradiction theory is one that I have never got.
Until you realise….you don’t have to, if…
So you have a dead guy. A famiy. A daughers that don’t recognise the grandmother !
Dubai !
Hs anyone got a picture of Al Hilli before DXB ?
Or any knowledge…before DXB.
I think the “crime scene” …was a nice picture.
It helped !!!!
But the story (going backwards from the 5th of Sept) is… sparce.
and so I believe that “Al Hilli” wasn’t Al Hilli.
The other interesting thing with prisoner X is the news blackout – they couldn’t mention anything! remind you of anything?
The French investigation is a farce, handcuffed by red tape and the national security umbrella! No wonder the Mi6 agents where on the scene so quickly in Chevaline, its like Die Hard when the FBI get on site at Nakatomi Plaza – “running through the playbook step by step”!!!!
Marlin
16 Feb, 2013 – 11:52 pm
In the past I have raised (and no doubt many others too) the likelihood that western agencies had engineered to send defective essential equipment to Iran to frustrate their efforts to build an atomic bomb, but this is first time, as far as I am aware, that some of the specifics of the Israeli operation have been made public. Ironically, it results more from the severe way they dealt with their agent than alternatives. We don’t know the details but it sounds like an over-reaction. Would he have returned to Israel if he had knowingly, intentionally, betrayed state secrets? Yet again we are reminded of the brutal nature of elements of Israeli security, for surely he would have been unable and probably unwilling, to kill himself in a purpose made facility, particularly by hanging. No doubt given the specialist nature of the solitary confinement cell, not only is it permanently filmed, the images are recorded, so it should be no problem for the Israeli authorities to prove he did indeed commit suicide and how. Even were this the case it does not absolve them of responsibiliy. It is a chilling reminder that if they are capable of treating their own in this way, there is no limit to what they are prepared to do to those they consider their enemies.
@ Tim V 17 Feb, 2013 – 9:50 pm
One of the stories on Zygier said there was no camera in the bathroom of the padded cell. Fancy cell with a separate bathroom. There was a screen grab from Australian TV showing a “similar cell” — guessing it’s not the one in Israel — that has two cameras.
No surveillance camera working in the Pont de Alma tunnel to memorialize the demise of Diana and Dodi, or at the White House when Vince Foster left his half-eaten lunch to rush to Marcy Park, or in the supposed MI6 safe-house (that sounds more like a media invention) at 36 Alderney Street. Only place cameras work is convenience stores for news coverage of robberies.
There is much speculation surrounding the reasons for Zygier’s arrest: the most popular appears to be that he was about to reveal details of the 2010 Mossad hit job in Dubai, during which an entire team of some 20 Mossad agents succeeded in murdering an Arab arms dealer with links to Hamas.
The problem with this theory is that the facts about that case are pretty much known: the Israelis collected data from travelers to Israel and then used it to create bogus passports, which were then issued to Mossad agents. Photos of these agents appeared in the Kuwaiti media, and were published on the internet. A Kuwaiti paper is now claiming it was Zygier who turned over this information, including the photos, to the Kuwaitis, and that the Israelis kidnapped him in Kuwait. The paper quotes “a former Mossad commander” who contends Zygier was part of the Dubai assassination team until he “switched to the other side.” Yet this tall tale hardly explains why the Israelis would keep the identity of “Prisoner X” such a closely-guarded secret, quashing press reports of his incarceration, and denying his very existence until now. It wouldn’t explain why Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called an “emergency” meeting with Israeli editors over their handling of the story. And it wouldn’t account for the fact that Zygier was apparently in contact with the Australian intelligence service prior to his arrest – or have they, too, “switched to the other side”? http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2013/02/14/ben-zygier-rip/
Zygier is believed having had British citizenship as well. MI6 was investigating him. It is believed that the Australian passports for the Dubai slaughter were issued by the Australian embassy in London.
http://backchannel.al-monitor.com/index.php/2013/02/4488/did-prisoner-x-have-uk-connection/
Interesting to follow here, too:
http://m.lockerz.com/u/petedavo_au/photos/283878953/_lrozen
Once again I strongly recommend to follow this twitter below for news about Zygier:
https://mobile.twitter.com/lrozen
In the lockerz link of my post above, somebody claims that he was in the same sub division of Caesarea with Zygier and that he knows that he was not in the Dubai killer team.
Caesarea is called Kidon today and is part of Mossad and represents its professional killers. Caesarea divisions (KIDON) are responsible for the assassinations of so called “terrorists”.
Dubai police officials have already identified two American financial companies that they say issued credit cards to 14 suspects: MetaBank, based in Storm Lake, Iowa; and Payoneer, based in New York, with an Israeli office in Petah Tikva, near Tel Aviv.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/02/world/middleeast/02dubai.html?_r=0
DUBAI—Soon after the January assassination of a top Palestinian official here, Dubai police stumbled onto what looked like a big break in the case.They linked a white-haired man with glasses to several suspects caught on security cameras preparing for the murder. Most of the suspects in the case had carried forged passports, but this man had a real British one. It identified him as 62-year-old Christopher Lockwood.
A cellphone linked to him had recently been switched on in France. U.K. authorities found his London address. They also discovered that in 1994, he had changed his name from Yehuda Lustig. Mr. Lustig, they determined, was born in Scotland to a Jewish couple from what was then British-controlled Palestine.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704652104575493883093318088.html#
Mossad front company who issued credit cards for the Kidon team.
Oh, they use Meta Bank and a Bank in Belize?
We remember Belize regarding the McAfee case and regarding Mexico’s and Colombia’s base international drug trafficing? Good to know that there are only two political parties in formerly British Guayana. The current government is run by an Ethiopean Levite Jew and the opposition party is run by a Palestinian. Both of them grew up in London and were trained by MI6.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payoneer
Payoneer is a registered Member Service Provider (MSP) of MasterCard worldwide. The Company is headquartered in New York City with R&D offices in Petah Tikva, Israel. Payoneer has received venture funding from Greylock Partners, Carmel Ventures, and Crossbar Capital.
The New York Observer reports that Payoneer uses MetaBank and Belize’s Choice Bank Limited for some of its services, after it has used the First Bank of Delaware in the past.[8] This information can also be obtained when you activate their cards with their partners – in small print on a website visible for 30 seconds.
In the first BB link directly above:
“Notably, Koutsoukis has never published the name of the firm, which he has described in his reports and interviews as a European communications firm with a subsidiary in the Middle East.”
Now it isn’t a shell company dealing unspecified electronics, but a subsidiary of a European communications firm. Fits Siemans, for one — and many others. Mobile Telecommunication (Siemens / Nokia-Siemens) – Milan.
This was before Siemans equipment was implicated in Stuxnet and later by the Iranians of supplying them “exploding” things.
Caesarea is support for Kidon they don’t carry out the killing they provide cars, passports etc!
NR Thanks for the meteor over Cuba, probably the same one seen in Miami from Jacksonville to Key West (Cuba is just 90 miles from Key West)
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Possible-Meteor-Shower-Lights-Up-Night-Sky-Across-Florida-Coast-Guard-191617901.html
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/02/17/reports-of-possible-meteor-shower-over-s-fla/
Described as a ‘Sporadic Meteor’
another in Northern California:-
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/watch-fireball-calif-sky-caught-camera-article-1.1266382
Also described as a ‘Sporadic Meteor’
Would these have been so newsworthy without the Chelyabinsk meteorite and near-Earth passing of Asteroid DA14.
I dont remember that term being used in the Newton Abbot or N.Ireland fireballs in late 2012.
However linking Newton Abbot + ‘Sporadic Meteor’ led me to this site which shows just how frequently these fireballs happen:-
http://www.susanrennison.com/Best_oftheblog_fireballs.php
Meta Bank from Storm Lake Iowa, a Mossad forefront company?
http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2010/02/10ABUDHABI103.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/8534303.stm
Meta bank supports the payoneer prepaid and gift cards. It stinks of money laundering, does it? Their system is fishy and stinks. Used for Mossad drug money laundering and financing Kidon? Oh yes, for their “hard working” pre paid card users they offer a Swiss bank account … Hard working McDonalds employees (those are the typical prepaid card and gift card users) will need Swiss bank accounts? Drug barons need Swiss bank accounts. Mossad needs Swiss bank accounts.
http://mrnd5.wordpress.com/2010/11/06/meta-banks-scam-cited-by-ots-continues-to-suck-the-life-savings-out-of-their-customers/
Interesting that Storm Lake Iowa is linked to American and German NAZIs and to the Oklahoma bombing. Does Mossad cooperate with the worst NAZIs in the USA who have close contacts to Swedish and German NAZI (NDP)? One should assume that Khazars and NAZIs are strong enemies? Do they cooperate in terms of terror, fear and fascism?
http://mrnd5.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/what-does-it-say-about-storm-lake-iowa/
Here are some facts about META bank in Iowa:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetaBank#section_1
http://www.bankmeta.com/Investor-Relations.aspx?c=history
Metabank’s forefront online debit card issuer payoneer is funded by a Khazarian investment funds. Interestingly, the same investment fund who owns payoneer also owns likedin and is strongly invested into facebook, too. Can we say that the Khazars and Mossad own linkedin and a good part of facebook?
For the people on the Meteor path remember that there was another meteor seen around the day of the murder over the UK, Ireland and europe this was discussed on the original post and many experts stated that they actually thought this was a Satellite coming back through orbit and also that there where only Israeli spy satellite in that area of orbit, could Saad have had something to do with this and the reason he was killed?
I always think why did he have a bank of powerful computers at his home? was he using a part of one of his own companies sats to bring down others or to spy on foreign powers, remember the company he worked for offered use of small spy sat’s to private companies and countries and there was also a rumour that they had developed a satellite that could destroy or bring other satellite backs through orbit.
The 3 owning funds of Payoneer, the Mossad forefront debit and gift card company that issued cards to the Dubai Kidon team.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmel_Ventures
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greylock_Partners
http://www.crunchbase.com/financial-organization/crossbar-capital
Does the ownership show any significance?
Payoneer uses Meta Bank in Iowa and a bank in drug baron’s country Belize for their money transactions. Good that Payoneer debit cards are totally anonymous and do not even have a name imprinted. Good to know that many poor people are using debit cards for their micro payments. Good for drug money laundering? I am no expert in money laundering but if I did, i would do it exactly so. You just need a discreet bank workung for you to cover illegal activities. Good to know that the good people at Meta bank offer a Swiss bank account for their hard working Payoneer debit card and gift card users.They will definitely need one.
@ Blurbird
The venture capitalists you mentioned — “Payoneer has received venture funding from Greylock Partners, Carmel Ventures, and Crossbar Capital” — are big on investing in Israel as the next Silicon Valley.
Those pitching investors say they have the next Splunk, which had a successful IPO. “Turn Machine-generated Big Data into Real-time Insights. Big Data Analytics. Your IT systems and technology infrastructure generate data every second of every day. This machine data contains a categorical record of all user behaviors, service levels, cyber-security risks, fraudulent activities and more… ”
Incidentally, one of the Israeli companies, Face, developed facial recognition software for social media. Facebook bought them out, and it was that software that caused users consternation when it began cross-auto-tagging people in pics, without their permission. As I remember, once it had your pic and name, it found your pic in friends’ pages and friends’-of-friends pages and tagged your name to those pics, which you might not want.
The co-founder and CEO at Face.com is part of the very cool Israeli firm that’s mentored by the two law firms mentioned in a previous comment.
@Ricki Tarr 18 Feb, 2013 – 10:16 am
Now fireballs reported in the skies above Cuba and California!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/9875149/Fireballs-reported-in-skies-above-Cuba-and-California.html
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I noticed one of the venture capital firms teamed up with foundations to host high-end charity galas. Good way to connect with big donors, and investments in Israel offer a patriotic bonus to some.
Pink 13 Feb, 2013 – 5:53 am had this story on the CIA using foundations to launder money and fund its projects:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/modern-art-was-cia-weapon-1578808.html
OT re 9/11: Two readers’ comments on a strange 9/11 Truther lawsuit against the BBC.
1: “Good of you to pick up on what appears to be a controlled fake lawsuit… I was initially excited yesterday when I heard about it.”
2: “If you follow the logic in the link … provided – i.e. it’s a scam, then perhaps “someones” are having an even bigger laugh given the location of the “court of law” – considering the horse meat shennanigans. Horsham – Horse Ham ? cheers
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/challenge-to-bbc-coverage-of-9-11.html?m=1
aangirfan also has an item on another page, “High Level Tory to be Arrested” which linked to the DM but they quickly scrubbed the page as did The Mirror, except the Mirror’s print edition got out before the deletion.
Israel scrubs spy stuff while England scrubs paedo stuff. Or is it all connected?
More (not confirmed writings) but interesting reports. As posted above, Storm Lake Iowa and the Meta Bank are linked to radical American NAZI but on the other hand believed to be a Mossad forefront company. How does that fit together? Is Mossad uniting with NAZIs? Are they pretending to build NAZI groups like the Norwegian “Viking” group who behave like NAZI groups but who are in fact Mossad agents? Is the love between Khazars and NAZIs greater than we were taught by history?
Storm Lake Iowa (Meta bank) links to the NAZI Oklahoma bombing. Meta bank issued debit cards to a Mossad Kidon team. Coincidence?
http://hobeika.blogspot.com/2009/03/oklahoma-city-bombing-was-mossad-german.html?m=1
However, there might be mpre links between Khazars and NAZI terror in recent times. I find this long essay extremely interesting. Anders Breivik a Mossad kidon?Quite exciting and logic to read:
http://terorismevreu.wordpress.com/2011/08/04/massacre-in-norway-mossad-strikes-again-under-%E2%80%98lone-gunman%E2%80%99-cover/
That would once again be a NAZI being a Mossad asset or pretending to be a NAZI.
What the aithor forgot to tell about Israel’s revenge for Norwegian Mossad investigations and pro Palestine politics:
The Norwegian pension fund lost 80 (American) billion euros in the Fukushima blast as they were heavily invested into Fukushima. Also Areva lost American billions in the Fukushima blast. Did Sylvain perhaps know that the Fukushima reactors were blown up deliberately? I don’t question the tsunami as natural, but the explosions of the buildings looked somehow deliberate.
Still catching up on the recent postings and links so sorry if this has been picked up already.
Some interesting tid-bits on other pages of Times of Israel in relation to Zygier here:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/zygier-revealed-mossad-secrets-to-australians-report/
He may have revealed secrets about a Mossad operation in Italy that had been a long time in the planning.
Now isn’t Italy just a little close to Savoie / Haute Savoie? Was eliminating SAH and his family and SM the operation that had long been in the planning by those lovely boys and girls from the Mossad?