The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
ricki tarr
“I am still confused to why a Man from Iraq married to a woman from Iran would work for Israel, although they would be prime targets if they could be turned!”
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It isn’t clear whether or not the al Allaf’s were from Iran. I would rather point their ancestry to Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and later to Bahrein.
I don’t know who said that Iqbal was from Iran, but there are no reliable sources and the name plus the ancestry just wouldn’t fit very well.
I said before that I have the suggestion that Hashim al Hilli (who as a matter of fact was trained in the USA on a military base in Ann Arbour from 1938-1942/43) , did not only work for OSS (later CIA) but probably for Israel, too. I can see no other sane reason for his torture in 1969. There would have been reasons ten years later, but certainly not in 1969.
I can see a consecutive work for Israel after his torture and release from Iraqi prison perhaps turning into hate for Saddam and even more support for Israel for that reason. Most of the time, families are holding together. I don’t necessarily say that they were crypto Jews, what is not impossible but not confirmed because you cannot confirm crypto Jews as they celbrate anothe religion as their cover. However, they could have had a sympathy for Israel base don the torture of Hashim and based on their future objective for establishing a new monarchy in Iraq. That would not exclude Saad, and perhaps Ali, to continue the family’s work for Israel.
Of course, there could have come up a problem when Saad married Iqbal, who might have been a “Mata Hari”, deliberately setup in his life by Hezbollah intelligence in 2003. Then, step by step, Mata Haris are usually winning and turning their “victims” into a new direction and suddenly you are working for two rival intelligence teams at the same time. Usually this results in a bloodshed as Life had taught us.
I see all the colours of the rainbow! I just like to keep to some facts we have to other wise their is no tether! Allot is a great find though Bluebird and one that many media outlets will be looking into!
I am trying to connect the dots and know enough about how these things work to try and see fact from fiction and also what is being spoon fed!
In Dubai, it was a muscle relaxant used to euthanize horses.
Prisoner X had tranquillizers in his system and bruising.
Either one could cause an overdose in a child, especially if the user did not consult a pediatric pharmacologist in advance. Children’s bodies do not respond to adult medications in the same way, and merely reducing a dose based on body weight can have unexpected consequences.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israeli-prisoner-x-investigation-gag-order-lifted-8501526.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Mabhouh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succinylcholine
Bradycardia in children: http://www.nda.ox.ac.uk/wfsa/html/u01/u01_010.htm
The Allnot address on Google maps looks as though its in the middle of a road or within another business premises am I going mad, can some give me a second opinion!
Via Alessandro Manzoni 44, 20095 Cusano Milanino (MI), Milano, Italy
Paper IDs Two Agents Who Worked in Italy with Zygier
German newspaper Der Spiegel reported on Tuesday that it has identified the front company where Ben Zygier worked in Italy while he was engaged in a covert Mossad operation, along with two other alleged Mossad agents of Jewish-Australian descent known as Paul Y and David Z.
According to the report, “Zygier and two other Australian Jews who also worked for the Milan firm were reported to have been successful agents.”
The paper also quoted an Australian intelligence source who alleged, “The nature of their business gave them access to military and secret installations.”
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/case-of-israel-agent-ben-zygier-shows-methods-of-israel-s-mossad-a-884141.html
The Milan office building exudes elegance with its stucco facade, brass name plate, concierge service and expensive wooden furniture inside. There’s nothing to suggest that the firm based here, which specializes in the sale of satellite communications technology, is a front for the Israel foreign intelligence service Mossad.
@Ricki Tarr: Thanks, I’d been wondering when “Y” and “Z” would show up.
Ulrike Putz, the reporter behind the Der Spiegel article Ricki Tarr brings above is apparently the wife of jason Koutsoukis. Explains where she got the name and location of the company. Interesting that neither felt safe in actually disclosing the name, but they are inching closer. I think more hints will ensue. This firm for some reason sticks like a bone in the ASIO’s throat and they won’t let it go. There’s something about this one firm that gets the Australians’ ire..
Then there’s the reference to “satellite communication technology”. yes, that could be one use of some of Allot’s equipment but we can’t be sure they are one and the same yet. OTOH, there’s no guarantee the reporters got the terminology right since they are not in the biz. That description could be subterfuge.
Other inferences:
The company is well-heeled – anointed offices, good location, respectability.
Satellite communications – not unlike satellite mapping – after all the maps have to be “communicated’ to the ground, don’t they.
Who else was involved with satellites?
why – none other than Leonardo Da Hilli, the master of so many engineering specialties (thanks James – that was really funny).
@Ricki Tarr: One of the companies listed by Google Maps at that address has this name:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avnet
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/11/09/avnet_italy/
Which building do you think the smaller of the 3 that would be #44
@ Q @ Ricki Tarr
blogging.avnet.com/weblog/cioinsights/tag/avnet/
Has a quick explanation of “Big Data”. Avenet has pages for Italy, Chile and other countries. Believe they are a reseller for Allot and similar companies like Cisco. Don’t have time to read all, but I caught one reference to “helicopters”. Believe they were originally from Phoenix, AZ.
There’s a building down the street with white stucco. It seems to have an unusually-large, wrought-iron gated underground parking, and backs onto the complex at the address you provided. You could say it exudes elegance, and it’s for sale now. It’s next door to the Ristorante La Brace Di El Amam Ahmed.
https://plus.google.com/110321470199833464072/about?gl=ca&hl=en
Independent today.
“Despite the details in the report, there are still large gaps in the detail about Zygier’s death. A lawyer acting for the spy said that he visited his client the day before he died on 15 December 2010, and that he was considering a plea bargain that would have seen him serve between 10 and 20 years in prison. Zygier died just days after the birth of his second daughter. Israel insists that due process was followed throughout the case. Israel has insisted that the allegations were serious and that due process was followed in the case.
It was noted in Zygier’s post mortem report that his body showed some evidence of bruising, but that it was not possible to determine whether they were caused before or after his death. A small quantity of tranquilisers was found in his system.”
So how does a man under constant observation get remnants of a tranquiliser in his system? It is indisputable Israel undertakes an active assassination programme against identified “enemy” targets. The Vanunu case proved it was prepared to lock up its own and throw away the key for making public state secrets. Now it appears it is prepared to incarcerate its own and not even make the fact public, whilst supervising a most unlikely death in custody and then making excuses for its deplorable behaviour.
Was it capable of the Chevaline murders? Undoubtedly. Has it yet been proved? Not yet. Is there a remnant of decency in either the French or British secret establishments that will let the world know the truth?
“But in 2009 their repeated name-changing aroused the interest of the Australian authorities — especially when Zygier handed in his old passports, filled with Iranian entry visas. Paul Y. spent a lot of time in Syria, Iran, Egypt and Dubai. David Z., too, travelled to Iran several times. That wasn’t just evident from his passport stamps. During one trip in 2004, he sought help from the Australian consulate in Tehran.
The three men were now put under surveillance whenever they went back to Australia. Britain’s MI6 foreign intelligence agency also began to take an interest in David Z., who possessed a British passport as well.
Ben Zygier also attracted attention with his choice of friends. During a trip to Melbourne in 2009, his followers noticed that he was approaching Iranian and Saudi-Arabian students at MONASH University.” http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/case-of-israel-agent-ben-zygier-shows-methods-of-israel-s-mossad-a-884141.html
Monash and Dubai and Milan. We have links with ppl and places and occupational specialities. MI6 knows what has gone on. What is going on. Never have the British responded to a murder abroad as they did to Al Hilli’s. There is still an unresolved question as to who was working for whom but there is little doubt that Saad and Brett were both working for MI6 but who was Sylvain working for? Was he working for the British as well or for the French. He certainly had considerable protection from scrutiny after he died. Was this in deference to his role or to protect the state from inconvenient truth? The picture is slowly coming into focus.
Just speculation after new research.
Regarding the Australian names David and Paul (Y and Z). Y and Z are likely variables coming after “prisoner X”) and irrelevant.
I checked the friends of Milano’s Allot director Gianmarco Boggio on facebook. If the guys had worked for Allot in Milano then there was the idea that I could find a Paul and a David in his lists.
David Schwartzmann
http://il.linkedin.com/in/davidsh
Due to his facebook site now working in Russia. They did hide him somehow?
He works for Amdoxs now, an Israeli software company just like Allot who do a lot of joint ventures. Earlier he worked of course for Allot and for Elbit (same owners, links to our Israeli “Renault dealer” who partly owns all those companies).
http://www.amdocs.com/Pages/HomePage.aspx
Amdocs has an office in Melbourne, in Milano, in Dubai, etc.
http://www.dotnetspider.com/it/1504-Amdocs.aspx
Amdocs has an interesting history as a Mossad front company pre 9/11
Quote:
More holes in US electronic security
The story on Israeli spying inside the focused on three companies, Amdocs, which provides billing and directory assistance for most American phone companies, Comverse Infosys, which installs and mainstains telephone tapping equipment for US law enforcement, and Odigo, which provides services for the various “Instant Message” systems on your computer. All three companies are owned by Israel and have strong ties to the Israeli Defense Force.Both Amdocs and Comverse Infosys were implicated in the sale of telephone data which compromised US investigations into drug running, and Comverse Infosys phone taps are suspected of being the means by which Bill Clinton’s phone sex sessions were recorded, as reported in the Ken Starr Report. Odigo, which had offices near the World Trade Towers, is the company which received a two hour advance warning of the attacks of 9-11.Now, in a chilling real life version of the plotline from “The Net”, it turns out that the majority of the firewalls on US corporate and government computer systems are provided by just one company, Checkpoint Systems, which like Amdocs, Comverse Infosys, and Odigo, is headquartered in Israel.
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The second guy with earlier links to Allot, Gianmarco Boggio and David Schwartzmann is Paul Devanderschueren. He now works for Amdocs in Ontario/Canada.
I have no idea whether or not i am on the right track here because even the names David and Paul might be scripted. If they are real, however, and if the clean team forgot about Gianmarco Boggio of Allot Milano, then they are perhaps the two other guys.
Moreover, on 1 March 2010, the Dubai Police stated that he was first drugged.[50]
Major General Khamis Mattar al-Mazeina as the deputy commander of Dubai’s police gave details of the death of al Mabhouh after forensic tests. Al Mabhouh was injected in his leg with succinylcholine, a quick-acting, depolarizing paralytic muscle relaxant.[51] It causes almost-instant loss of motor skills, but does not induce loss of consciousness or anaesthesia.[2][51] Then Al Mabhouh was suffocated. Al-Mazeina said, “The assassins used this method so that it would seem that his death was natural.”[52] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Mabhouh
“It was noted in Zygier’s post mortem report that his body showed some evidence of bruising, but that it was not possible to determine whether they were caused before or after his death. A small quantity of tranquilisers was found in his system.” Independent. 19.2.13
Drugged first then suffocated.
Even state assassins stick to tried and tested method. So they have sheets in Israeli isolation cells do they? When this high profile prisoner moved to the showers he wasn’t watched taking his sheets with him? The cells are specifically designed to prevent suicide but the showers weren’t eh?
Paul de van der schueren still has a business in melbourne:
http://businessprofiles.com/details/de-van-der-schueren-paul/AU-98273256206
David Schwartzmann can’t be traced in Australia, but the Schwartzmanns as well as the Vanderschueren families are famous Jewish families in Victoria/Australia (search on google). Perhaps David Schwartzmann lived in Israel for a long time already.
“Nine times out of ten, victims know their killers.”
Great work Bluebird
20 Feb, 2013 – 12:57 am. You’re wasted on here. You should be on the radio. LOL. If I was the owner of a front newspaper I’d make you an offer you could not refuse. Hee Hee.
i forgot to post the linkedin of paul de vanderschueren
http://il.linkedin.com/pub/paul-de-van-der-schueren/1/6b1/12a
Both Schwartzmann and vanderschueren unfortunately do not publish their education on linkedin. Perhaps they want to avoid their australian history to be seen now.
@bluebird 20 Feb, 2013 – 12:57 am
That’s very interesting. So not a step too far from those ‘phone taps’ to ‘phone hacking’ on behalf of the evil News International empire of arch zionist Mordechai!
@Tim V 20 Feb, 2013 – 12:54 am
‘who was SM working for?’
Remember the link to La Rouche’s Solidarite et Progres? La Rouche has often been cited as a front for the CIA. It was reportedly set up in Sweden at the time of the Vietnam war as a front to attract US deserters so they could be discredited and labelled as lefties.
If he was anything, I think there’s a strong possibility he was CIA, or at least on their radar.
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Just random name connections, but the Paul Devanderschueren Bluebird first noted also comes up as Paul de van der Schueren also Toronto, with a one-line description Telecommunications, Solution Architecture.
There’s a Paul van der Schueren, Paris, France, also one line, Telecommunications.
One-removed links to the former often reference Amdocs as well as LADPC Information Technology and Services, Israel, (Local Authorities Data Processing Center), and Rogers, Canada.
One once-removed link is someone who operates “Relocation in Canada” Toronto, Canada — Computer Software. Remember the interest in the moving vans and relocation services regarding Chevaline?
Another one mentions prior experience at Hachaklait, a veterinary company in Israel. Only of passing interest because Q discussed horse euthanizing meds above.
That reminded of the almost homeless InfoSec expert of Montana; Omaha, Nebraska; and Florida, who listed expertise in Small Animal Anesthesiology among accomplishments. Never said what constitutes a “small” animal. He’s the one connected to the Bradley Manning affaire — between the homeless hacker and the three-letter-agencies.
There’s a TV serial, “Castle” which has an episode concerning teens playing Zombies, one who takes the Zombification drug Scopolamine, whereupon another instructs him to commit murder, which he cannot remember.
Some of the once-removed people above mentioned “Logistics and Supply Chain industry” and I think now this refers not only to transportation, like Stinnes Logistics, but also project planning in general and just-in-time delivery planning.
NR, Marlin et al.
I need your help because I am not good in faces and maybe you can find something what i cannot see because of too much information.
I have a key person in Melbourne.
Talia (Tahlia) Devanderschueren
https://m.facebook.com/people/Tahlia-DevanderSchueren/534125685
Check her facebook site and her picture. (She seems to be the daughter of Paul DVDs (they use this as a shortage for Devanderschueren).
She studied, surprise, surprise, … at Monash university (criminology).
So far no problem. Now my problem comes up.
I also found Talia (Tahlia) Schwartzmann in Melbourne. Different history (born in Canada, stewardess in Canafa) now organising vacations for Jewish kids and dream weddings for Israeli people.
Isn’t she the same woman? It states that she now lives in Sidney, however, her wedding business is in Melbourne and she in fact lives in Melbourne.
http://profileengine.com/people/tahliadvds/tahlia.devanderschueren
http://www.aawep.com.au/student_life/student_coursework/talia_schwartzman/
http://m.pinterest.com/WedInstitute/
http://m.pinterest.com/lenak29/followers/
http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=1278872778&targetid=profile
David Schwartzmann (doesnt he look like a brother of Ben Zygier?) is on the facebook friends list of Paul DVDS.
But what’s about Tahlia Schwartzmann and Talia DVDS?
Same picture but different life and different education? Am I nuts? Please help to verify!
@ Q 19 Feb, 2013 – 6:01 am
http://multipolarfuture.com/?p=4954
“December of 2009, after more than a month of harassment, by Americans in Korea, as well as in Houston, Texas, I travelled to Mexico. In Oaxaca, I interrupted surveillance by the woman… (with accomplices)… describing the woman leading the surveillance/assassination team as “European or Israeli. I registered a written description of this woman… on December 18, 2009.”
“Two months later, in 2010, this same woman first appeared in the media as GAIL FOLLIARD (alias), who led the Mossad team that killed MAHMOUD AL-MABHOUH in Dubai.”
His story doesn’t hang together. He never explains why Americans want to assassinate him or why they subcontract the job to Mossad. In another page he explains because of his extensive travels he can distinguish “Europeans” and Israelis from other nationalities.
If the woman was gallivanting around Mexico trying to assassinate him two months prior to Dubai, instead of practicing for that, it’s no wonder that job was all screwed up.
Apparently the Americans suddenly stopped trying to assassinate him since he travels between Houston, Mexico and Panama as recently as Jan 2013, posting pics.
Yet he doesn’t come across as a total paranoid nutter. Has two good pages on Sandy Hook anomalies, well argued, with illustrations:
http://multipolarfuture.com/?p=9854
http://multipolarfuture.com/?p=9469
I checked some Israeli friends on Paul DVDS facebook site. They were all involved in surveillance software, phone tracking software, android phone location software and deep packet inspection software, and so on …
Coincidence?
Bluebird and all – there is no such thing as Coincidence!, the data above is amazing!
What are the laws of announcing the connection to Allot from this forum or pointing key journalists to this info? they may not be able to name it but as with Twitter or forums etc maybe we could?
There is a connection to Monash and is a recruitment ground for these guys! the is a connection to Allot and communication corporations this is a deep conspiracy and involves the secret and on going war with Iran!
There is a real possibility if the company is Allot that this is actually connected to the Al-Hilli murder!
@ Q 19 Feb, 2013 – 6:22 pm
“In Dubai, it was a muscle relaxant used to euthanize horses. Prisoner X had tranquillizers in his system and bruising. Either one could cause an overdose in a child, especially if the user did not consult a pediatric pharmacologist in advance.”
What? We have an assassinated child now? Where?
The Dubai assassination sounds unlike Mossad. Maybe one of MAHMOUD AL-MABHOUH’s other enemies killed him and tried to frame Mossad — successfully thus far.
It’s all badly done 3X overkill, supposedly designed to “look like” a natural death and depending entirely upon the Dubai medical examine to notice nothing, either out of stupidity or not amenable to political pressure or bribes.
Here’s our first big assassination where the surveillance system was in good working order. With a Mossadi team that big you’d think one of them would have watched movies and known they must cut into the cable and present a pre-recording of an empty hallway or at a minimum squirt black spray paint on lenses.