The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Who is she?
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/nadia-al-hilli/65/869/24a
Never heard of this dentist before. No family connections with any kind of al Hillis … Like the Dutch orphan.
However, she has connections with Jemima Khan. That is why i saw her profile for the first time.
Bluebird
18 Mar, 2013 – 11:49 pm that point has been well made some time ago. The suggestion is that the so-called mobile phone calls from the plane that was alleged to have crashed strangely leaving no trace exept a hole was impossible and therefore all part of a dastardly ruse that is now, fortunately falling apart. I can give you the you tube references if you are interested.
Oh and I’m concerned about the “disappearance” of Marlin especially as he said he had more to say. Does anyone know his details/location/whats happened to him?
Tim v
I don’t think that we should be concerned about marlin. He said that he will make a pause to investigate. I am sure that he will come back.
Interesting find:
Nadia al Hilli (who has connections to Jamima Khan – who was best friend of Lady Di and who is Unicef ambassador), has a brother Noor al Hilli. They grew up in Surrey and later live in Twickenham.
Noor and Nadia have a facebook page where they are connected to Hashim al Hilli, who seems to be a guy their age.
Looking at Hashim al Hilli’s facebook page, there he has only one “LIKES”.
THAT “LIKE” is in fact FSP Russia. Does it ring a bell? Watch Hashim al Hilli’s facebook page. And then search for FSP Russia and a recent assassination of its founder.
@ bluebird 18 Mar, 2013 – 11:08 pm
“This forum is interesting. Maybe this nickname is Saad al Hilli?”
It is someone who is in Nuclear Medicene Solutions/Medical;
Diagnostic Imaging Engineer; Guildford, United Kingdom; Biotechnology. Not likely SAH.
On cellphones, an anecdote. I was once on a mountain, above a large city, with poor cell reception, except now and then would get a stable signal. When I later looked at the invoice, the calls were for roaming charges from a city 250 kilometres distant, over open water.
Admittedly this was with a car phone and stick antenna which is more powerful than hand-held, but still remarkable. Also, once the phone and tower locked-on they did not need to switch between cells.
The cell phone tower antennae are undoubtedly designed to send their energy in in a flat, horizontal, fan-shaped beam, with little wasted directly up, as is done for broadcast FM radio and TV transmitters.
It would be interesting to learn if the 9/11 calls were related to cell towers from locations distant to the flight path. There would be no need to switch from tower to tower.
By now the cell companies would not have records, and if the victim’s relatives saved any bills, I don’t remember if in 2001 there were still roaming charges or by then it was free calls nationwide.
I agree with you that if the calls depended upon cell sites below the flight path it wouldn’t work, because of signal strength. The switching between cell sites I don’t know about. Even if the plane is overhead at 10,000 feet, moving slowly, for example at 200mph, it may not appear to be traveling over 60mph as seen from the cell sites on the ground. I’ve forgotten the trigonometry to calculate that.
@ bluebird 19 Mar, 2013 – 1:06 am
A machine gun drone, which I predicted, and now find it was already done.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/us/keith-ratliff-gun-enthusiast-of-fpsrussia-is-shot-to-death.html?_r=1&
http://www.youtube.com/user/FPSRussia
“Prototype Quadrotor with Machine Gun! FPSRussia”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU&list=SPFBFCDCC3DBB96BC4&index=3
If I get shot/injured by a drone would I still be able to claim compensation my accident insurance afterwards?
An interesting guy is Haider Hilli.
He is on the facebook page of Dr. Nadia al Hilli, the young Hashim al Hilli and Noor al Hilli.
Haider grew up in Richmond upon Thames (Surrey).
However, he studied Medicine in Poland. He says on his facebook page that he speals English, Arabic and Polish.
He now works as a doctor for NHS Trust.
Didnt we have Polish links before? (Zygier, 55 Queens Gate, …)?
Didn’t we have NHS links here recently?
I do not know where to put Haider, Noor, Nadia and the young Hashim al Hilli as a family. I cannot find a father. However, they must be related with each other somehow because theylink each other on their fb pages.
Nadia is a hot find because she links to Jemima Khan (nee Goldsmith). Jemima being one of the best friends of Lady Diana. Diana visited Jemima in Lahore (Pakistan) twice shortly before she died in Paris.
Ben and Zac Goldsmith are Jemima Khan’s brothers Both Goldsmith boys are married withthe Rothschild family.
Father Gildsmith is a Jewish billionaire living in France.
His daughter Jemima Goldsmith converted from Judaism to Islam when she married Imram Khan in Pakistan.
Jemima Goldsmith-Khan is linked to Nadia al Hilli. Saad is probably linked to Imram Khan. Jemima Khan was best friend of Lady Diana.
Sorry forgot link for ben and zac goldsmith
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2246187/Zac-Goldsmith-After-Ben-Goldsmith-Kate-Rothschilds-acrimonious-split-second-Goldsmith-Rothschild-marriage-longer-first.html
Blue.
Dont forget Jemima Khan…and wikileaks.
Big public supporter.
There are rumours that Jemima Khan and Lady Diana were half sisters. Jemima already converted to Islam, Lady Di was about to do the same thing. They met each other in Lahore twice, shortly before Diana died.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-315244/Were-Diana-Jemima-sisters.html
More on Goldsmith/Khan
http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2010/07/zac-goldsmith-jemima-khan/
http://www.bohomoth.com/?p=7445
For those who didnt read everything and asking about a connection:
There is a definite connection between Nadia al Hilli and Jemima Khan.
And there is a Pakistan connection (according to daily mail) between a Pakistani and Saad and Saad writing rants in Pakistan forums. There is also a connection between Imram Khan and Surrey Iraqis and Imram Khan is doing a lot to stop the drones.
The Khan – Goldsmith – Rothschild – Lady Di connection.
Obviously, all conspiracy grows on common grounds. New assassinations might be caused by previous ones, whenever people try to blackmail with their knowledge.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7275130.stm
http://scandalouswoman.blogspot.com/2008/03/diana-dodi-and-hasnat.html?m=1
http://m.oneindia.in/news/2008/03/04/di-ended-romance-me-dr-hasnat-khan-1204617900.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-315244/Were-Diana-Jemima-sisters.html
http://lahore.metblogs.com/2007/09/02/dianas-love-affair-with-pakistan-1/
Princess Diana, paid a second visit to Lahore in 1996 when she came to support Imran Khan’s Shaukat Khanum Memorial Hospital and to promote cancer awareness among the poor people of Pakistan. Imran Khan and Jemima Khan, who were happily married back then, played host to the late Princess and arranged a charity function in her honor.
By 1997, their (Lady Di and Hasnat Khan) relationship stalled. Diana wanted to marry Hasnat, but he never proposed. So she turned to Imran Khan, one man she thought could understand. He had married a British aristocrat from outside the faith, so Diana asked him if he would intervene and convince Hasnat to do the same.“Maybe I could speak to him, because having married someone from outside my culture, maybe there if there was something which could be cleared, if there was advice that could be given, maybe I would be able to help,” says Imran Khan.
Blue.
In answer to your re phrased question, the answer is “No, not without specific software”.
You do get “rogue” signals, but not a voice connection with the ground from a cell phone.
I often leave my phone “on” (not on “airplane” mode, but “on” fully) I have never had a call when in the air.
A “story” on that. I got a text a few days ago from a pilot I knew was in the air. It must have been sent earlier, but had not “gone through”. During that flight, it came through (must have picked up a rogue signal). I called the phone back as I thought they must have landed earlier…and I was late. It did ring out….and then went to answer phone. (and so confirmed my thoughts that it was on the ground). The next call went straight to answer phone. I checked the radar…and the aircraft was still in the air. On their phone, none of my calls were logged.
So “rogue” signals do happen. But you can’t call from a cellphone to a landline from an aircraft. It’s impossible.
Thank you james. That is exactly what i had thought.
Pointing to tim v.’s link further above, American Airlines confirmed that these planes did not have any credit card phones on board. Those weren’t equipped. The AA speaker said that the passengers did use their own cell phones for making these calls. I still do wonder about how they did do those calls.
James
This was tim v’s link i was referring to
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/amrarticle.html
Dear Mr. XXXXXXXX:
Thank you for contacting Customer Relations.
I am pleased to have the opportunity to assist you.That is correct we do not have phones on our Boeing 757. The passengers on flight 77 used their own personal cellular phones to make out calls during the terrorist attack. However, the pilots are able to stay in constant contact with the Air Traffic Control tower.Mr. XXXXXXXX, I hope this information is helpful. It is a privilege to serve you
Sincerely,Chad W. Kinder
Customer Relations
American Airlines
Blue
A. You can use software/hardware to make cell calls from aircraft.
B. There is software/hardware capable of flying aircraft (much larger than drones).
C. Autopilot is faster to make adjustments in flight terms than “humans”.
Those are facts. And are true today.
The development would have been 10 years hence, maybe before that.
Bluebird
18 Mar, 2013 – 11:57 pm
Collective nouns: “An Intercession of Embassadors”?
Bluebird
19 Mar, 2013 – 12:02 am Jemima of course is the daughter of Sir James Michael “Jimmy” Goldsmith (26 February 1933 – 18 July 1997) the Anglo-French billionaire financier and tycoon much pilloried by Private Eye. Towards the end of his life, he became a magazine publisher and a politician. In 1994, he was elected to represent France as a Member of the European Parliament and he subsequently founded the short-lived eurosceptic Referendum Party in the United Kingdom. Born of a Jewish father and Catholic mother His father was Jewish and mother Catholic and both he and his brother were baptized in Catholicism. She has recently been associated with the actor Hugh Grant following the breakup of her marriage to Imran Khan. (WIKI) One might therefore expect Jemima to have sympathies some where between Lahore, Jerusalem, Rome, London and Hollywood!
Another thing about cell phone calls from planes. Even if it were at all possible, I’d guess it would only work if the passenger’s phone was up against a window, as there would be very low signal inside the metal plane.
James, is this correct? Even if a plane is on the ground, is it possible to use cell phones in the interior?
Hugh Grant headed the Hacked Off group that just helped enacting greater controls on the press. Jemima Khan would be on his side of the debate, since the death of Diana was partly blamed on the paparazzi hounding her.
Updates on Iran Watch found here:
http://www.iranwatch.org/
FWIW, Japan intercepted aluminum alloy rods bound for North Korea in August 2012:
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/asia/korean_peninsula/AJ201211240055
The Iran Watch website notes many Chinese suppliers to Iran. Dates of sanctions (if any) against these companies, entities and individuals are found in their detailed listings on the site.
“Pressure group Hacked Off is refusing to reveal who is bankrolling them… [It] is supported by celebrities including Hugh Grant and Steve Coogan.
[claims are that] … key donors include Lady Annabel Goldsmith, mother of Jemima Khan and Zac Goldsmith and billionaire Lord Sainsbury … philosopher Alain de Botton, tycoon Arpad Busson, hairdresser John Frieda and BBC star Jeremy Clarkson… they may have helped support the parents of Milly Dowler and Madeleine McCann from press intrusion.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2295834/So-funding-
Hacked-Off-Campaign-group-refuses-rich-donors-despite-campaigning-transparency.html
“However, the pilots are able to stay in constant contact with the Air Traffic Control tower”.
That’s funny. Are they refering to the “Nine Eleven” planes as I didn’t know they were landing ????
The statement doesn’t make any sense if it is reference to “Nine Eleven”. You will be passed to each relevant controller as you make your approach (and no doubt put into “holds”).
The “tower” will be responsible for you as you make “finals”.
And you will not be able to “ring them up on your cell phone”. That is complete rubbish.
I see the Sun is reporting a non-story that the French judges are planning an all expenses paid trip to Iraq (mind you I could think of a lot better place for a holiday with all those celebratory fireworks going off) to investigate “what Saad’s father actually did”! Apparently the old theory rehashed is that Saadam passed the million Euros to Khadim. Our intrepid Eric has reiterated that “he may never be able to solve the crime”. Perhaps the honourable judges should be redirected to these columns, and save them and French taxpayers a lot of time and money?
I am no supporter of proliferation of nuclear weapons, who is? but this focusing exclusively on Iran appears to me to be a tad unfair. Why not the same treatment for Korea or Israel? I suppose the answers are fairly obvious. So it’s not really about nuclear weapons per se but balance of power. The whole basis of the cold war was MAD – mutually assured destruction – to prevent their use. Would it be any different if Iran had it? After all no one could claim Pakistan is a particulary rational state, and they have one. Why is Iran such a “line in the sand”. If Israel is removed from the equation I doubt it would be. The problem with regime melt down you are never sure what you are to get in its place. One certainty however, a chaotic country does not really pose a threat in conventional warfare. Israel’s neighbours to north and south have undoubtedly been weakened. Hezbollah is nothing without Syria. If Assad goes the same way as Ghadaffi, the Iran Lebanon transport route will no longer be available either. If Iran can be brought to its knees, Israel’s position will be assured.
@ Bluebird: Stuff on Jemima Khan, Imran Khan and A.Q. Khan. Can’t see any links to the SAHs. Would be a motive if there were. These are misc. from various sources and dates, Lots of gossip. Jemima is all mobbed up with royals and celebrities.
Once a supporter, Jemima Khan hits out at Assange.
Jemima Khan warned Wikileaks founder Julian Assange that he risks falling from a “hero” to the Australian L Ron Hubbard.
Jemima Khan who provided a surety for Assange, has to hand over three-quarters of the £20,000 she pledged.
POLICE have been ordered to show Hugh Grant and Jemima Khan information indicating their phone messages might have been hacked.
Carter-Ruck… UK media secret censorship injunction for Zac Goldsmith and Jemima Khan, 2008.
Miss Goldsmith, a former girlfriend of actor Hugh Grant, has been dating Luke Janklow, an American literary agent.
Jemima Marcelle Khan is a writer and campaigner. She is the Associate Editor of the New Statesman.
Don’t you just love these champagne socialists! We hope she will one day expose the real face of her ex husband IMRAN KHAN.
Jemima has been frozen out of the Royal Wedding because of a comment she made about Kate Middleton’s figure.
Abdul_Qadeer_Khan. Phd. in metallurgy. Expert on MARTENSITE [very strong steel] — Marten Site — get it? 🙂
He’s the one the CIA told the Dutch to leave alone.
Dr. Khan left the Netherlands with secret URENCO blueprints for uranium centrifuge (one of Dutch origins featuring an aluminum rotor, and another of German make, composed of maraging steel, a superhard alloy).
A.Q. Khan founded the Engineering Research Laboratories (ERL) [Pakistan]
Abdul Qadeer Khan then established a network through Dubai to smuggle URENCO technology to Engineering Research Laboratories.
A.Q. Khan admitted selling nuclear technology to Iran, Libya, and North Korea. The network used to supply these activities is global in scope, stretching from Germany to Dubai and from China to South Asia, and involves numerous middlemen and suppliers.
Benazir asked me to give nuke details to Iran: A.Q. Khan
CIA asked us to eliminate Dr. A Q Khan: Blackwater chief!
Imran Khan called on Dr A.Q Khan, who has been criticizing him for his campaign against Nawaz Sharif, and requested him to patronize his party.
Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan decides to patronize Imran Khan’s PTI …
Imran Khan undamaged by Wikileak flood.
Imran Khan’s and #PTI’s stance against the drones and condemning the killing of innocent civilians.
Imran Khan is a HUGE failure as a politician. Just think what would happen to him if he was successful and his beloved Taliban were in power.
IMRAN KHAN sparked an outcry when he admitted using a bottle-top to doctor a cricket ball to help him take wickets.
Nadias Song – Soheir Khashoggi. We Want Imran Khan To Be The Next Prime Minster Of …
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Nadias-Song-Soheir-Khashoggi/169750306380003
“Ugine: The site houses the Research Center Cezus. Laboratory reference on metallurgy and processing methods of zirconium alloys, it is a key player in innovation and has a internationally recognized competence.”
“And in November 1981, when Albert Goldberg Sarfaz Mir were arrested at a U.S. airport, trying to sent two tons of zirconium to Pakistan. Under the guise of “mountaineering equipment,” they tried to ship zirconium tubes specifically designed for use in a nuclear reactor. These tubes should arrive at Kahuta Research Laboratories (KRL) AQ Khan.”
“Because the Israelis do not need new monitoring tool territory: they already have their spy satellites, they now have four, the latest being the Ofeq 9, launched in June 2010 , weighing less than 300 kg, and can take pictures high resolution, down to 50 cm resolution, far superior to satellite designed by al-Hilli (such as advertising, the Israelis told him “that Ofeq 9 can see the Iranian president now drinking Turkish coffee!)
“And Ofeq 10 should soon increase performance. “The Israeli military also use satellite images civilian national design Eros-B., it is extrapolated range Ofeq, and images (except those in the Middle East not sold) sold by the company Satellite Imaging Corp.”
http://www.agoravox.fr/tribune-libre/article/tuerie-des-alpes-les-pistes-124397
“Mr Burrell [Diana’s butler] alleges that the Queen had warned him that there were forces at work in Britain that could threaten him. He claimed the Queen looked him in the eye and said: “There are powers at work in this country about which we have no knowledge… be careful, Paul, no one has been as close to a member of my family as you have.””
So even Her Majesty believes in grand conspiracies! 🙂
I cannot help, but Imran Khan looks like to be the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler. Not meaning his physical looks but what he does and what he promises. He simplifies every problem, he knows who is guilty and he knows how to solve it. And of course this makes him highly popular. And he was married into the Rothschild family. And he is backed up by the army and by ISI who support his ideology. Do the Rothschilds setup a new NAZI government in Pakistan?
http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/234995542-why-i-am-against-pakistan-tehreek-e-insaf/
http://www.salaam.co.uk/knowledge/biography/viewentry.php?id=872
http://worldshiaforum.wordpress.com/2013/01/14/thank-you-imran-khan-for-clear-condemnation-of-shiagenocide-by-lej-terrorists/
http://www.insaf.pk/Forum/tabid/53/forumid/1/tpage/1/view/topic/postid/102058/Default.aspx#102058
The first view of Imran Khan is always positive. He wants justice and peace for the Pakistani, he knows the solutions, he can change his views like a chameleon and he knows who the guilty are. I am afraid about what will happen when he becomes president in a country with a nuclear bomb.
A guy we havent looked at too much yet (and neither the media did) is Mohammed al Hilli. He is Sheikh in the al Khoei Mosque and part of the al Khoei foundation in London. We know about the al Hilli/al Khoei connections from Iraqi sources.
http://www.salaam.co.uk/knowledge/biography/viewentry.php?id=2219
http://nooralzahraa.co.uk/events/the-secret-of-zainabas-sheikh-mohammed-al-hilli/
Al Hilli (Hashim and Kadhim) were born in Najaf and so did the al Khoeis come from Najaf. And so does Mohammed al Hilli originally come from Najaf.