The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
There is virtually no hard evidence linking any State to the killings. All the evidence we have is circumstantial. Even so I think it is pretty compelling….
“Kissinger said: ‘Before the Freedom of Information Act, I used to say at meetings, “The illegal we do immediately; the unconstitutional takes a little longer.” [laughter] ‘But since the Freedom of Information Act, I’m afraid to say things like that.’”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2305956/Imelda-Marcos-forced-male-generals-parade-womens-clothes-Kissingers-joke-illegal-acts-Whats-U-S-diplomatic-cables-released-WikiLeaks.html
Will there be more delights from Henry? His stock in trade was high level, dirty gossip. They surely scrubbed the good stuff he had about Sir Jimmy and what went on at 24 susSEX in 1987. The LaRouchians alleged Henry preferred 10 year-old-boys for himself. No idea if that was true, just quoting Lyndon’s people.
They even assassinated poets:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2305698/Was-poet-Pablo-Neruda-poisoned-Nobel-Laureates-grave-exhumed-new-murder-investigation.html
Bits on Shias after Saddam was deposed:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/as-i-led-him-to-the-gallows-i-hoped-saddam-hussein-would-show-remorse-there-was-nothing–dr-mowaffak-al-rubaie-on-the-dictators-last-moments-8565040.html
@ Bluebird
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2305803/Mind-control-experiment-lets-researcher-wag-tail-RAT-using-just-mind.html
http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/8/4197316/navy-laser-weapon-deploying-2014-shoots-down-drone
Most importantly:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2305776/Justin-Biebers-monkey-spend-MONTHS-German-animal-shelter-singer-sorts-paperwork-back.html
@ Tim V 9 Apr, 2013 – 1:25 am
“NR 9 Apr, 2013 – 12:08 am LOL. I think we can be fairly confident both French and British know exactly what was said on the phones and computers and who did the deed but just arn’t saying because it would cause a hell of an international row.”
The intelligence groups undoubtedly know and might share with their respective nation’s police at a high level, but I expect the specifics wouldn’t filter down too far and the police and prosecutors might not want all the details, like phone calls or tracking records, either, because if it came to trial the defense would ask where they obtained that evidence.
The story would be that A overheard B talking in a pub or bistro and called in an anonymous tip, like what happened with the case of the Princess Diana’s stuff stolen by her staff.
In the Gareth Williams 2nd inquest it came out MI6 wouldn’t deal with police except the special terrorist group that had security clearance and didn’t tell them much either. Whether it was just bureaucratic rules, or covering up their embarrassment, or covering up actual involvement in William’s death, who knows.
Thanks for those NR
9 Apr, 2013 – 8:30 am. Interesting reading. Get back on board the bus.
6.3 earthquake exactly below Busheer nuclear site in Iran one hour ago.
What was that? Nature or God’s revenge or something created by mankind?
Not that there arent earthquakes in Iran from time to time, but that aerea is usually safe.
It’s an open secret that the intelligence community listen in to all and sundry. GCHQ http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/pais/people/aldrich/vigilant/lectures/gchq/
which is only PART of just the British network, There are about 6000 people just there monitoring tele-communications traffic with all sorts of additional automatic gizmo’s. (“GCHQ hired 491 new staff last year, raising numbers to 5,675, but also had 297 contractors at a total cost of £43.1m. Each contractor cost an average of £145,138 a year compared with an average cost of £44,534 a year for a full-time GCHQ employee.”) To which must be added all the listening posts here and abroad, MI5/6 staff dedicated to analysing, foreign embassies used as interceptors, and military personnel engaged in communications.
There is absolutely no doubt, whether working for MI6, a foreign agency or just taking a holiday, SAH’s communication would have been recorded, and even listened in on, in real time. The British Government can be in no doubt who he was dealing with even in the remote possibility, they were not responsible for setting the meeting up. If there was any contact between SAH and his killers they will know who they are. If they didn’t they may still be able to identify them from other monitored traffic between them and their handlers and other sources. There is a fair chance that the Chevaline location was chosen, either by SAH who after all was no novice, or by his handlers, precisely for its tele-communication attributes, a non-accidental clue to which was given by WBM in his interview.
I see no reason why this information cannot be used in identify the perpetrators as anyone in the business knows it goes on. Only if it endangers emplaced spies can I see a reason for with-holding. No the reason for doing so is to maintain secrecy that enables both good and bad deeds to be done without examination, without accountability. It is in fact a parallel universe as Kissinger’s light-hearted remarks, as evidenced in the latest Wikileaks batch, have revealed. ” ; The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer”
Rather strangely that latter remark by Kissinger which has been reported as as Wikileaks revelation is already out there as a New York Times, quote from Oct. 28, 1973! You will note it was it was made almost exactly ten years following Kennedy’s assassination in which the CIA are deeply implicated. Kissinger was proposed to head the 9/11 investigation by Bush initially. Undoubtedly a “safe pair of hands” and was deeply involved with all the Vietnamese and Chilean machinations in 60’s and 70’s, no doubt to which he was alluding. There is no reason to believe that in the forty or fifty years that have elapsed since the CIA has fundamentally changed its philosophy or methodology.
earthquake http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22077834
of course the question arises was it earthquake or big (thermo-nuclear?) explosion?
Sometimes “acts of God” are helped along by those who think they know God’s will. Of course you’d have to believe in God for any of it to matter.
http://www.npr.org/2013/04/09/176172590/way-of-the-knife-explains-cia-shift-from-spying-to-killing
The quickest quickie there ever was:
“Sometime between the end of January and the beginning of February, Huntington and Mehrbach began a sexual relationship.”
Sex scandal ensnaring the US super-elites. Not really worth reading, but a long, explicit version, NSFW, is here:
http://www.washingtonian.com/blogs/capitalcomment/local-news/trial-date-set-bob-woodward-subpoenaed-in-sidwell-friends-sex-counselor-case.php
Short, safe, summary:
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2013/04/09/sidwell-friends-cuckolding-lawsuit-has-everything-sex-creepy-p-e-teachers-bob-woodward/
Q 9 Apr, 2013 – 8:27 pm
“Sometimes “acts of God” are helped along by those who think they know God’s will. Of course you’d have to believe in God for any of it to matter.”
Without looking at references, I recall one component for invading Iraq in Gulf War II, was that some evangelicals, who believed in end-times prophecies, and who were informally counseling Prez W., feared one of Saddam’s palaces overlooked the site of the original hanging gardens of Babylon or some such, and ongoing construction would unseal the Seventh Seal or some such. Which would ordinarily be OK and the righteous would be raptured up to Heaven, except Israel hadn’t yet rebuilt the Temple and who knows what happens if prophetical events are out of sequence.
On the book’s opening scene, where CIA officers present a plan to Vice President Dick Cheney
NR
10 Apr, 2013 – 9:02 am This excerpt could be significant, particulary as it relates to activities in Europe. Post 9/11 (which was itself a CIA conspiracy) it was used as an excuse for targeted assassination, never submitted to any public scrutiny or approval.
“It is a plan to hunt down and kill people around the world. And the idea was, if the CIA found people where the military couldn’t go or they couldn’t send drones — you know, this could be in European cities, this could be in populated areas — that the CIA would cobble together hit teams to go kill those people. Now, some of this has been reported before, but for the book, I describe a scene which hasn’t been reported, where Cheney is sort of giving this authorization, and it’s the scene where it’s the beginning of the new CIA, where the CIA is identifying targets to hunt and kill.” http://www.npr.org/2013/04/09/176172590/way-of-the-knife-explains-cia-shift-from-spying-to-killing
I wonder if there will be any hints escaping from the Commons tribute to Margaret Thatcher? Great speech by Sir Malcolm Rifkind including the need to tell allies of disagreement as per Grenadan invasion.
@ Tim V 10 Apr, 2013 – 2:38 pm — from above: “… where it’s the beginning of the new CIA, where the CIA is identifying targets to hunt and kill.”
After 9/11, eager to find targets, they were susceptible to disinfo that ID’d targets. Of those they hunted but did not kill, just imprisoned or tortured, many were found not to have been terrorists at all, but just named by local enemies, perhaps over a family feud or to claim a reward.
The same might have happened to the victims at Martinet, the SAHs in particular, conceivably having enemies in Iraq going back generations.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/10/egypt-army-torture-killings-revolution
Background information.
NR
10 Apr, 2013 – 3:45 pm the problem is that subterfuge is so much an ingrained constituent of espionage and state killing, that it is never clear who is behind what. There may be terrorist cells and groups espousing violence but we the public are never in a position to know one way or another. What is clear is that if a state agency does carry out a “hit” (drone strikes excluded) 1. it doesn’t hold its hand up 2. it will preferably endeavour to make it look natural, accident or suicide 3.will find it convenient to set up either individual or group to take the blame and deflect attention from the true cause and perpetrators. This was undoubtedly true in the case of both JFK and 9/11. There are numerous documented cases of SIA’s inciting civil unrest and political interventions blaming local groups or assisting them. How many more? One significant given is that terrorist groups almost invariably admit liability. They like to brag. Advancing their aims is dependant on others knowing. The absence of any form of responsibility can only point to criminals, the mentally deranged or a state. In the case of Chevaline very good reasons rule out the first two…
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Chesnot
found something, maybe the box of the Pandora or unrelated.
French journalists captured by Iraqis in 2004.
Georges Malbrunot, the second French said in an interview for a BBC documentary:
“The leader of this group said that he was the chief of their secret service. His name was Saad. He told us that he is a computer expert and that he had an education in the UK”.
I think that we should dig deeper into the Malbrunot/Chesnot affair in 2004.
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Monday, July 5, 2010
NICOSIA | Cyprus police are searching the contents of a confiscated laptop belonging to an alleged Russian spy who has vanished, the east Mediterranean island’s justice minister said on Monday.
Loucas Louca said U.S. authorities have requested the laptop and “more than one” USB memory stick belonging to Christopher Metsos, 54.
Mr. Louca said the laptop and USB memory sticks were confiscated on June 29 when Mr. Metsos was arrested trying to board a flight to Budapest. The items were not returned to Mr. Metsos after a Cyprus court released him on $33,000 bail on June 30, after which he promptly disappeared.
Mr. Metsos is wanted in the U.S. on charges that he supplied money to a spy ring that operated under deep cover in the suburbs. He arrived in Cyprus on June 17, traveling on a Canadian passport.
Read more: http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/5/world-scene-7892-005/#ixzz2Q6NsBtXS
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Chesnot:
“We do not know about why they released us to French soldiers in Iraq”
“The French did not fulfil their requests at all”.
Malbrunot:
“We believe that the French government paid us free. I have heard that they paid a large sum to a Swiss bank account”.
BBC:
“The riddle about why Chesnot and Malbrunot’s release will probably never be solved. Was it money the French government had paid? Who received the money? Who was that mysterious Saad who said that he was the chief of a secret service? We will never know!”
Did the French wait until somebody would try to access their money? Not impossible, would it?
@ Tim V: You are assuming that the state does not include criminals, the mentally deranged and terrorists.
Chesnot and Malbrunot abduction in Iraq in 2004. The head of the “terrorists” said that his name was Saad and that he is a computer expert educated in the UK and the chief of a “secret service”. Malbrunot thinks that ransom was paid into a Swiss bank but there is no evidence. French government denied.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4115975.stm
Their driver sued France for Euro 150.000.
http://www.e-nough.hmdnsgroup.com/archives/001135.html
http://www.trend.infopartisan.net/trd0904/t320904.html
http://www.trend.infopartisan.net/trd0105/t420105.html
DGSE had confirmed that they paid 15 million euros for the release of the two french journalists.
However, the French government did not pay directly but to negotiators from Iraq and Marocco who helped to negotiate their release. The French government does not know whether or not the negotiators kept the money for themselves or if they transferred the money to the terrorists in Iraq.
There are two good links, but those links are in german. However, with google translate ypu can easily read this. Very interesting stuff with lots of background information and insider knowledge in the two links quoted here.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1224-01.htm
http://m.guardian.co.uk/media/2004/sep/06/Iraqandthemedia.pressandpublishing
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/09/weekinreview/09cohe.html?pagewanted=print&position=&_r=0
More english text for chesnot/malbrunot.
I like this post, enjoyed this one thanks for putting up.
When Kadhim al Hilli worked as the financial accountant for SCIRI and SCIRI was involved in the negotiations to release journalists Chesnot and Malbrunot in Iraq, then the negotiators and its representative received up to 15 million euros by the french government paid into a swiss bank account.
Usually governments do not pay money to terrorists. They might pay for negotiators, but that much?
Was it fraud? Chirac was a corrupt politician. We have the link to Morange whose honesty is in terms of corruption is questionable, too.
Were kickbacks paid by the negotiators to French parties and politicians?
Was that abduction fraud and were French involved?
If so (and that sounds logic) then Saad could have had accounting information in his father’s last will. Perhaps he wanted to access that money paid to negotiators into a Swiss government but the new French government said “NO”.
What would you do then? Using the accounting and kickback information to make that fraud public? Blackmailing the government to allow me accessing the account or otherwise making that fraud public?
Using Mollier as a courier to hand over kickback information just picked up by a Geneve bank for that account? Remember: the Geneve bank had said that no money was taken from that account by Saad. So what did they pick up? Account statements and money transfer history?
Who were the people abducting Chesnot and Malbrunot in 2004 and who received the money for their release other than the said “negotiators”. Was this fraud and crime rather than a terrorist action?
Typo above:
Swiss government should read: “Swiss bank”
“Hugo Teso, a security consultant at n.runs AG in Germany, used a speech at the Hack In The Box Conference in Amsterdam to show how a hacker could take control of a plane – and crash it – from their seat.
Teso, who was formerly an airline pilot, explained how he was able to gather information about the plane, and then create an “exploit network” and an App known as PlaneSploit to manipulate it.
Using the phone he is able to send messages to the plane’s Flight Management Systems and make the vehicle “dance to his tune”.” http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/04/11/security-researcher-proves-plane-hack_n_3059602.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
Potentially an AMAZING find Bluebird
10 Apr, 2013 – 11:15 pm!!!! What if it was the SAME Saad?????????????? Surely not? SAH was there about this time wasn’t he? More digging on that incident definitely required.