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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • Q

    Further aside on the chicken farm issue:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/iraqs-germ-war-secrets-found-at-farm-1599531.html

    “The research into bacteriological-warfare agents appeared to have begun in 1988 at Salman Pak, an hour’s drive from Baghdad. Placing of the biological- warfare agents in weapons was carried through at al-Hakim, where 50 bombs were filled with the bacterium and then anthrax and 100 bombs with botulinum. The same toxins – together with aflatoxin, which causes cancer, were put in missile warheads capable of reaching Saudi Arabia and Israel.”

    For any newcomers to these threads, Saad al-Hilli’s father used to run a poultry farm in Iraq, as discussed previously:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/9762604/Alps-murder-Truth-about-Saad-al-Hillisfamily-feud.html

    For Tim: Please refresh my memory regarding what you said.

  • Tim V

    Morenés began his career as lawyer in 1979. After working private law firms, he became the head of the Legal Services branch of the Shipbuilding Division in the National Industry Institute (INI) in 1991.[2] He also became a professor of vessel chartering and shipping freight in the Spanish Maritime Institute of Madrid and in the European Institute for Maritime Studies. In 1994, he was named as the managing director of the commercial branch of the Shipbuilding Division in the National Industry Institute (INI) and member of its Steering Committee.[2] Next, he was appointed secretary of State for Defence in the Ministry of Defence in May 1996. Four years later, in May 2000, he was appointed secretary of State for Security in the Ministry of the Interior. His tenure lasted two years, and in August 2002, he became secretary of State for Scientific and Technological Policy in the Ministry of Science and Technology.[2] His tenure lasted until March 2005. He served as the secretary general of the Businessmen Association from March 2005 to June 2010. In January 2009, he was also appointed chairman of the Board of Directors of Construcciones Navales del Norte, and served there until January 2011.[2] Then he began to serve as the chairman of MBDA Spain, a missile systems firm, in June 2010[3] and of Segur Iberica, a private security firm, in January 2011.[4][5] His tenure lasted until December 2011. He was appointed Defence Minister on 21 December 2011.
    Morenés labelled the mission in Afghanistan as war, breaking a taboo in 2012.[5]

  • Tim V

    Just for information –

    The Hispano Aviacion HA-200 “Saeta” (“Arrow”) is one of the last designs fully developed by Willy Messerschmitt. It had its first flight on August, 12th 1955 in Sevilla.
    50 years later I have been invited to do an air-air photo session with the only remaining airworthy HA-200 in Germany. It is part of the impressive collection of the “Messerschmitt Stiftung” and operated by EADS from their site in Manching.
    http://www.flying-wings.com/ha-200.html

  • Tim V

    Of no particular significance – 1996 – The body of former CIA director William Colby is found washed up on a riverbank in southern Maryland, eight days after he disappeared.

  • Tim V

    “Shortly thereafter, an OSS friend offered him a job at the CIA, and Colby accepted. Colby spent the next twelve years in the field, first in Stockholm, Sweden. There, he helped set up the stay-behind networks of Gladio, a covert paramilitary organization organized by the CIA to make any Soviet occupation more difficult, as he later described in his memoirs.[4]
    Colby then spent much of the 1950s based in Rome, under cover as a State Department officer,[3] where he led the Agency’s covert political operations campaign to support anti-Communist parties in their electoral contests against left wing, Soviet Union-associated parties. The Christian Democrats and allied parties won several key elections in the 1950s, preventing a takeover by the Communist Party.”

    “President Ford, advised by Henry Kissinger and others concerned by Colby’s controversial openness to Congress and distance from the White House, replaced Colby late in 1975 with George H. W. Bush during the so-called “Halloween Massacre” in which Secretary of Defense Schlesinger was also replaced (by Donald Rumsfeld). Colby was offered the position of U.S. Permanent Representative to NATO but turned it down.”

    Weeds have deep roots. Bush Senior was photographed outside the Book Depository on November, 1963 when he was a CIA employee. He followed Colby as head of CIA in 1975 at the same time as Donald Rumsfeld became Secretary of Defense. George H W Bush served as the 41st President of the United States (1989–1993). With Dick Cheney as Secretary of Defense, early on the morning of January 17, 1991, he launched the first attack, which included more than 4,000 bombing runs by coalition aircraft. His son George W Bush became President in 2000 and three years later with Cheney as Vice President and Rumsfeld as Secretary of Defense, invaded Iraq for the second time.

    On Saturday, April 27, 1996, Colby died in what appears to have been a boating accident near his home in Rock Point, Maryland.

  • Tim V

    “The Eurofighter Typhoon is a twin-engine, canard-delta wing, multirole fighter.[6][7] The Typhoon was designed by a consortium of three companies, EADS, Alenia Aeronautica and BAE Systems, working through a holding company, Eurofighter GmbH, which was formed in 1986. It was initially introduced into service in 2003.
    The project is managed by the NATO Eurofighter and Tornado Management Agency, which acts as the prime customer.[8] Eurofighter Typhoon is being produced serially by the EADS, Alenia Aeronautica, and BAE Systems consortium. The aircraft is being procured under separate contracts, named tranches, each for aircraft with generally improved capabilities. The Typhoon has entered service with the Austrian Air Force, the Italian Air Force, the German Air Force, the Royal Air Force, the Spanish Air Force, and the Royal Saudi Air Force.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon

  • Tim V

    From Q
    6 May, 2013 – 4:59 pm and Telegraph article

    Reminder: “But he went to the house alone, and there was a dispute with the people living there. A woman answered the door and started shouting at him, and then two men started kicking him and punching him. Saad came home bleeding from the head. When I saw him I told him: ‘Are you crazy? You should never have gone there alone, you could have got killed.’
    “But Saad was a quite a confrontational guy, and he liked to fight for his rights. Later he told me that he had got the house back. When I asked him how, he just said: ‘I used some connections.'”

    As to instantly forgettable suggestion Q it was to ask who was on the plane (and what they did) when or if it crashes.

  • Tim V

    Perhaps of even greater significance Q
    6 May, 2013 – 5:28 pm is that animals are essential in testing chemical and biological at which Britain was a leading and early exponent following the First WW in which of course we had used gas but not the biologicals as far as I know. At Porton Down testing was not limited to animals. Humans were also used. Indeed many years ago an acquaintance who had opted to volunteer as a safer option during WW2 recounted the procedures which included lying in a bath of chemical with just a patch of skin unprotected and periods of exertion in confined spaces filled with the material to test the protective gear. As you probably know belated cases for compensation have been settled by the government. However if scientist want lethal doses and kill rates (the so called L10, L50, L90 relating to the percentage killed at any specific concentration) humans are not an option and animals are used.

    Rabbits: http://www.infowars.com/shock-video-shows-syrian-rebels-testing-chemical-weapons/
    Pigs: http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/campaigns/experiments/all/763/
    chicken: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_biological_weapons_program

    Given the close links with the Soviet Union, it’s very likely that expertise and methodology was transferred.

  • Tim V

    Q
    6 May, 2013 – 9:33 pm as I have suggested many times previously, I am sure the deep integration across a range of hugely important areas, cannot fail to have a bearing in the Chevaline case, though no doubt the British Government would deny it publicly. In theory the investigation of crime and the judicial process is uncontaminated by economic or political considerations but we know this is a naive view, particularly after Tony Blair’s intervention in the Saudi/BAE case. In respect of Britain and France there is an on-going process of naval integration including nuclear weapons; close liason and co-operation was demonstrated in the Libyan exercise; we are heavily reliant on Areva for our next generation of nuclear power stations without which the lights appear destined to out; the new fast fighter is a BAE/ EADS/ Alenia Aeronautica project important for defence and economy as the current PM push proves. No doubt there are many more examples. This I think partly explains the British approach to the crime and has hamstrung direct criticism of the French and limiting it to disagreeing on significant points.

  • Q

    Yes, Tim, we’ve been through many possibilities. Who is on the plane is always the question, as with the SwissAir crash and September 2001. Timing of these events is another question, with world events setting the context.

    Although we’ve been through this before:

    http://truthfall.com/suicide-another-porton-down-scientist-found-dead/

    Many countries have their own “Porton Down”. Although there are reportedly 7,000 poultry farms in Iraq, was the al-Hilli poultry farm a “poultry farm”?

  • Tim V

    Interesting reference Q
    7 May, 2013 – 2:18 am. Chicken lend themselves. Were they used for testing? Were the Hillis providing them? All possibilities. Somehow with all their high level political credentials, plain old chicken farming/egg producer seems bit unlikely to me.

  • Q

    “Boots on the ground”: who needs them, when modern warfare has drones?

    Was Chevaline a lead-up to the “conflict” in Syria?

  • Tim V

    What has happened to the “regular” contributors here? Bank holiday week presumably?

  • bluebird

    Q

    Israel nor the USA will join a war in Syria or Iran without another Tonkin or Pearl Harbour. Watch out! A false flag action is under way. And it might be nuclear.

    The cutoff of the internet was no random event. It was delibetate becaise Syroa can’t do that. Turkey and Italy must have been actively involved into the total cutoff. Assad can’t do the complete cutoff from inside Syria. NATO countries were involved deliberately as their backbones to Syria were turned off (outside Syria).

    Was this a test to have instant real time messages from inside Syria turned off when something happens?

  • bluebird

    Very good guardian article. It looks as if we are close to another Tonkin accident.
    Hezbollah will be blamed for this to have a reason to go into Syria and Iran. This is a Wahabbit war versus the Shia. Perhaps some of the Hezbollah leaders with ties to western intelligence knew already in August/September 2012 about what would happen.

    The west and its allies cynically bleed Syria to weaken Iran

    http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/07/west-cynically-bleed-syria-weaken-iran

    The fact is intervention has long been a central dimension of the war. The regime forces are backed by Syria’s old allies in Russia and Iran. Funding and military support for the rebels come from the US, Britain, France and their regional allies: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar and Jordan.

    Airlifts of arms to the Syrian rebels, co-ordinated by the CIA, have increased sharply in recent months to become what one former US official calls a “cataract of weaponry”. British and American forces are training rebel fighters in Jordan. 

    Since Obama declared that the use of chemical weapons would cross a “red line”, allegations of their use have become a crucial weapon for those demanding increased western intervention, in a bizarre echo of the discredited orchestration of the invasion of Iraq a decade ago.

  • Tim V

    The evidence on chemical weapons appears to have misfired. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10039672/UN-accuses-Syrian-rebels-of-chemical-weapons-use.html

    So if it was the rebel forces, unsophisticated rebel forces, managed to get hold of chemical weapons, who was it that supplied them? Now there’s a question! Were they supplied at the direction of a country with the capability as the necessary proviso for US intervention? I think we should be told.

  • Q

    @ Tim V: Maybe someone put in a large order for the agricultural pesticide recently. Apparently it smells like paint, although large proportion of the population lacks the receptors to smell it.

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