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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • Tim V

    Bluebird
    21 May, 2013 – 8:50 am – “con 4 (kn) Slang
    tr.v. conned, con·ning, cons
    To swindle (a victim) by first winning his or her confidence; dupe.
    n.
    A swindle.
    adj.
    Of, relating to, or involving a swindle or fraud: a con artist; a con job.”

    I dipped into the Keshe web pages. The impression I got was the man was off with the fairies. He was talking about travel from anywhere to anywhere in the world in 10 minutes! Perhaps he has the secret as to how the Al Hillis were in Armand at 3.15 and dead by 3.30.

  • Tim V

    “As Voltaire put it: “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” If Voltaire were alive today, he would tell us that people who believe three skyscrapers can disappear at free-fall acceleration through the path of most resistance, due to modest office fires ignited by only two planes, will commit the most hideous atrocities imaginable.

    The Unfreedom Tower now looms over an unfree land.

    “In today’s America, executive-branch death panels oversee a “disposition matrix” in which computers decide which people will be murdered by the government, which ones will merely be disappeared without charges into the global sex torture gulag, and which ones will be arrested and tried in a courtroom. This despite the clear Constitutional statement that in the USA, no one may be “deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law.” And the phrase “due process of law” is clearly defined: It means a public, transparent trial by jury, beginning with presumption of innocence, under various safeguards.”

    Dr. Kevin Barrett @ http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/19/304233/usa-becoming-militarized-gulag-society/

  • Tim V

    Bluebird
    21 May, 2013 – 8:57 am Here’s a USA (Utah) one -http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54026321-78/norman-case-sharif-hospital.html.csp

  • Pink

    Hi BB I am glad to hear you are having another look at Mr Keshe’s meeting as I have always the thought that a good contender for all the cloak and dagger activities that were going on .
    As ordinary Joe Public its difficult to know what’s what as regards Mr Keshe and when I was checking it out I saw a lot of people hoping he was on the right track to the point it was becoming a movement.
    With all the war and destruction people are desperate for some change maybe that included the two ladies ? Saad was (A) knowledgeable enough and (B)curious enough to have a look ,its not like Mr Keshe is not qualified in his field and given Saad’s background and his job its not something he would perhaps be able to do too openly .
    I have researched quite a bit in the past and it does seem to be a bit like Marmite with people for and against and if it is a scam its not a sophisticated one with the low budget tech ,and I seem to remember the last time I looked Mr Keshe had handed over control to the foundation .
    I don’t for one minute think anyone involved with MR Keshe would have commited this crime but I do think it may have been a good reason for Saad doing a bit of ducking and diving if that makes sense .

  • Tim V

    “Not only did Israel target Iraqi scientists but it also assassinated a large number of Arab scientists. In 1952 the Egyptian atomic research scientist, Sameera Mousa, was assassinated in the US. The Egyptian atomic scientist, Yehya Al Mashad, was killed in 1980 in Paris, the Egyptian microwave scientist, Sayed Bdeer, was eliminated in his house in Alexandria in 1989 and the Egyptian atomic scientist, Sameer Najeeb, was killed in Detroit in 1967.” http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/fraud/israel/news.php?q=1225053637

  • Tim V

    “Mossad kills 350 Iraqi scientists
    According to a report, Mossad, in cooperation with the US occupation forces in Iraq, have killed 350 Iraqi nuclear scientists and more than 200 University professors.
    The report, prepared by the US Secretary of State and referred to the US President George Bush, said that Mossad and commando groups had been active in Iraq since the invasion in 2003. They targeted Iraqi nuclear scientists after the US had failed to convince them to work for the US or move to the US.
    Some of them were forced to work in public research centers in the US but the majority refused to work with American scientists in certain tests, the report added. Many of them fled to other countries.
    The scientists who refused to leave Iraq were severely interrogated and were tortured. The report stated that Mossad saw that they had to be eliminated because they posed a threat to the future of Israel.
    Mossad found that the best way to assassinate them is through the ongoing violence in Iraq. The report added that the Pentagon was also convinced that this was the best way and special Israeli commando groups were prepared to fulfill this task. The US team gave assistance to the Zionist troops and the team prepared the curriculum vitae of the scientists and provided access to them.
    According to the report, the operations have targeted more than 1000 Iraqi scientists and one of the main purposes of the bomb blasts spread in many cities in Iraq is to eliminate the scientists.” http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/fraud/israel/news.php?q=1225053637

    Was Al Hilli just one more?

  • Tim V

    “Espionage is the art of gathering secrets, but it is also aimed at making the opposition look foolish, inflicting maximum humiliation with maximum efficiency. Spy agencies are secret, but they trade on their public reputation for competence and an intelligence organisation is fatally weakened by being made to look silly or inept. The world of cloak and dagger is also about public relations, propaganda and spin.”
    Ben Macintyre. The Times. 17.5.13

    We might add it is also about lies, deceit, denial and recrimination. All the indicators point to Chevaline being a state sponsored action, with a two-fold purpose: to “neutralise” what it regarded as a spy/espionage/security risk; and to embarrass the other agency organising it. I will leave you to work out the most likely countries to fill the respective roles.

  • Tim V

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/22/18418012-man-with-ties-to-boston-bombing-suspect-shot-during-fbi-questioning?lite

    So the killing starts does it? Well I know it has already started. So he was about to sign a “confession” whilst incarcerated and he manages to attack the interviewing officer with a knife? Was he not frisked before hand? Was it not possible to overpower him? This story stinks (yet again). Has the FBI become just a killing machine for unaccountable, undemocratic forces? Why is the killer not under arrest pending an independent investigation? Has the FBI become a rogue organisation that can do what the hell it likes? God help the American nation if this is what Fidelity, Bravery, Integrity means.

  • Tim V

    “The man who was shot, Ibragim Todashev, 27, allegedly attacked an agent with a knife. He was not suspected of having played any role in the bombing that killed three people and injured scores more in April, but he did confess to being involved in a brutal Boston-area slaying two years ago, investigators said.

    “The shooting occurred in the early morning hours on Wednesday, the FBI said in a statement.“The agent, two Massachusetts State Police troopers, and other law enforcement personnel were interviewing an individual in connection with the Boston Marathon bombing investigation when a violent confrontation was initiated by the individual,” the statement said.

    “During the confrontation, the individual was killed and the agent sustained non-life threatening injuries,” according to the statement.”

    “Officials say FBI agents were questioning Todashev on Tuesday. He was cooperative at first, they say, but later that night, he attacked the agent with a knife, who shot and killed him. Officials say Todashev became violent as he was about to sign a written statement based on his confession.” This story was originally published on Wed May 22, 2013 7:26 AM EDT. http://usnews.nbcnews.com/

  • Tim V

    Apologies – seems he was shot at his house!!!!!!!!!! About to sign a confession to multiple murder at his house?????? As with the rest of the Boston story – superficially this incident STINKS.

  • Tim V

    aND NOW THE SQUIRMING STARTS – Yahoo reports

    “ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — The FBI is leaving open the question of who fired the fatal shot that killed a man being questioned by authorities in the Boston bombing probe.
    The bureau initially said that an FBI agent fired the fatal shot when the man being interviewed, Ibragim Todashev, initiated a violent confrontation.
    Subsequently, the FBI issued an updated statement that did not specify who shot Todashev. The updated statement said that other law enforcement personnel participating in the interview included two Massachusetts State Police troopers.”

  • Tim V

    “Todashev was a suspect in the triple murder in Waltham, a crime that authorities now suspect may have also been committed by Tamerlan Tsarnaev, two law enforcement officials reportedly said Tuesday.
    The throats of the victims in the 2011 incident were slashed and their bodies were covered with marijuana. No suspects have been arrested in that case.
    Taramov, meanwhile, said Todashev had planned to soon return to Chechnya, but recently canceled his plane tickets instead.
    “Me and him and my friends, we knew this was going to happen. That’s why he wanted to leave the country,” Taramov said. “But he canceled the tickets. The FBI’s been pushing him, ‘Don’t leave, don’t leave.’ So he decided to stay.”
    Taramov said he was questioned by the FBI earlier Tuesday but was allowed to leave, MyFoxOrlando.com reports. When he came back, he found out that Todashev had been shot dead, he said.
    “The FBI knows what happened,” Taramov said.
    Messages seeking additional comment from FBI officials were not returned. Police officials in Boston told FoxNews.com they had no information regarding the shooting.”

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/22/man-fatally-shot-by-fbi-agent-in-florida/#ixzz2U2aXiOKV

  • bluebird

    http://m.wcvb.com/news/man-questioned-in-boston-marathon-bombing-shot-killed-by-fbi/-/17428308/20250158/-/7nm5ch/-/index.html

    Strange. I have never heard that a suspect would have access to a knive when he was interviewed in a murder case(!!). I mean, even when police stops you on a highway for speeding they would first trace you for weapons before they start talking to you (in the USA).
    But here a suspected murder is being interviewed for hours by several FBI agents and troopers and suddenly he got access to a knive? WTF! Who does believe that?
    This is as strange as the death of Tamerlan. I bet that they killed him as a dangerous witness. He simply knew too much.

  • bluebird

    Timely coincidence or a planned “Bourne” removal of the knowing ones?

    http://www.idesigntimes.com/articles/5455/20130519/update-2-fbi-agents-killed-training-accident.htm

    Both men were part of the FBI’s Hostage Rescue Team that is involved with the Critical Incident Response Group based in Quantico. The Hostage Rescue Team, formed in 1983, and is a counterterrorist tactical team that deploys in cases where terrorism, violent crimes and foreign counter-intelligence are involved. Such agents were likely deployed during the time of the Boston Marathon bombing incident.

    The State Medical examiner is currently reviewing the case and will reveal how these 2 FBI agents were killed on Monday morning.

  • Marlin

    On Todashev: as soon as this came over the wires, I knewwhat this was about. remember my little theory? that Tamerlan was recruited by the FBI – possibly right after those triple murders, where he got a ‘stay” in return for co-operation. They probably hoped to use him as an informant and a stooge, to infiltrate the caucasian groups – first in the US, then in Russian provinces. perhaps the FBI offered Tamerlan – and perhaps his friend Todashev – a ‘stay out of jail” card. no other way to understand why that 2011 incident got such a cursory investigation when Tsarnaev would have been among the first suspects. Well, it stands to reason that Todashev knew about the “deal” and could not be trusted to not spill the beans, making the FBI look really bad, with egg over their faces.

    This sits well with what we know the FBI didn’t do, following not one, but two Russian FSB warnings about Tsarnaev.

    Both the FBI and the CIA are up to their necks in the Boston dudu. While the Russians are laughing their heads off at the amterishsh investigations,while, for good measure, they out the pathetic CIA agent Fogle, naming Stephen Holmes as CIA agent chief and generally observing the bungling going on with our rogue FBI – probably taking bets on what they are going to try next to avoid showdown with the truth.

    To me it still looks like the FSB is playing chess with an opponent that thinks it’s a game of checkers.

    Unfortunately, when the laughter subsides, there are still lots of dead people around and the PTB are still trying to pull Syria apart.

    And yes, the Al Hilli family and Sylvain Mollier are still dead (I think) and the French investigation went on a very long hiatus.

  • bluebird

    http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=19217233
    Mafia involved? Read the part about Maximiliano Freddura, Sicilian restauarant manager.

    http://www.dailycatch.com/northend.html

    That building is owned by Detective Geraldo Riccio (that name sounds Italian, too)

    http://www.cityofboston.gov/assessing/search/?parcel=&streetnumber=323&streetname=HANOVER&unitnumber=&owner=

    http://blogs.trb.com/community/news/delray_forum/2008/11/police_seek_suspects_in_stolen.html#comments

    Italian seafood restaurant from Sicily, drugs, detectives, FBI, killers, Chechnian MMA fighters?

    Chicago 1930???? Sounds just like that. Dejavu?

  • Tim V

    ….and now WE have a violent, emotive, incident in Woolwich guaranteed to inflame anti-Muslim sentiment. Perpetrators remain behind to talk to the press? Evidence no threat to the public. Then shot and killed rather than arrested? Black men not Arabs or eastern appearance. I hope to god we arn’t the victims of the Boston formulae.

  • Tim V

    One day I might disagree with your analysis Marlin
    22 May, 2013 – 10:49 pm – but not yet. lol. Can you imagine a situation in a month of Sundays, where a suspect in an unresolved multiple murder, and following a terrorist event, would be allowed to remain at large and not “brought in for questioning” or arrested, particularly by their own admission, Todashev was known to the police/FBI for months/years. Then we are asked to believe he was about to sign a confession to murder without being in custody, in his own house, in the early hours of the morning. A quite preposterous story. It replicates the death (murder?) of Tamerlan whilst in police custody. Truly shocking. What has the USA, founded on John Locke principles, come to?

  • Marlin

    Tim V, I second your queries as to the utter weirdness of this shooting “incident”. Details as they are trickling out are becoming stranger by the minute. In his own home in the early AM, they say now? not in custody? and such a vicious murder too – nothing adds up, which means the only conclusion is the obvious one. This was an execution of a witness, one who knew that Tamerlan was a hired informant/would-be agent. may be about how and by whom was the trip to Dagestan arranged and exactly what tamerlan was up to there. Possibly even some details of the Boston set-up, if there was one.

    Voices are being raised among the neocons now too, saying that this is all a Russian plot to have the FGI/CIA go after the Chechen refugees in America. Sure, why not – we believe neocons, don’t we?

    As to John Locke, how right you are. swad things have happened to Americans though over the past 2 decasdes. they have become sheeple. Probably fewer than 0.1% would even recognize the name Locke, or Pein if asked. Though they would know about much about Paris Hilton and Sarah Palin, two great embodiments of the American revolutionary spirit.

    Where is NR, when we need him/her/it for a little Maple Syrop?

  • Tim V

    Bluebird
    22 May, 2013 – 9:20 pm how do you come by these reports? I too am very sceptical. My “Road to Damascus” moment was when, some years ago, I realised that 9/11 was a criminal fraud of unbelievable inhumanity and HAD to be an inside job. Only a reticence to accept the inherent and devastating implications of this has prevented an outcry. Once the possibility of evil on such a scale is accepted, faith in the US institutions is fatally damaged and one realises ANYTHING is possible by those behind its planning and execution. Britain’s SS have had an ambivalent relationship with CIA. Not unlike lovers, it has combined intimacy and suspicion in equal measure. In common with the rest of the world, we were shocked by the 9/11 attacks and swallowed the official explanation. Indeed Tony Blair stated it had a profound effect on his attitude. It provoked the invasion of Afghanistan. It provoked the invasion of Iraq. On both we (the government but not the people) were as one with the US. Generally it has fed the anti-Muslim terrorism rhetoric the latest being Boston and now Woolwich. The BBC and press have both been neutralised as has the Church and Parliament. Who or what is there to prevent the nation slipping further into an authoritarian state in which suspects are shot on sight and water canon are considered necessary kit?

  • Tim V

    “In the wake of the Marathon bombings, Middlesex County began to probe a link between the elder Tsarnaev and Brendan Mess, one of the three men killed in the gruesome slaying on Sept. 11, 2011. Officials said Mess and two men were found in a Waltham residence with their throats slit and their bodies covered with marijuana. Tamerlan and Mess were once roommates and did boxing and martial arts training together.
    Now law enforcement officials tell ABC News that some crime scene forensic evidence provided a match to the two Tsarnaev brothers. The officials also said records of cell phones used by the Tsarnaevs appears to put them in the area of the murders on that date. Several officials confirmed the new findings but declined to be identified because they are not authorized to comment on the ongoing investigation.

    As detectives probe the Waltham connections, Middlesex County prosecutors are also busy building a case against Dzhokhar Tsarnaev in connection with the cold-blooded killing of MIT Police Officer Sean Collier after the Marathon bombings.
    Collier was shot five times, allegedly by the Tsarnaev brothers, as he sat in his cruiser, just days before he would have become a Somerville Police Officer. Collier’s murder will be prosecuted by state prosecutors while the Marathon bombing will be tried in federal court.
    Collier’s murder was followed by a carjacking that spawned a wild, high-speed chase that ended with bombs exploding and bullets flying on a street corner in Watertown. Tamerlan Tsarnaev was pronounced dead at Beth Israel Hospital later that night. His brother escaped but was found badly wounded in a Watertown man’s boat blocks from the gun battle the following evening.
    Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is being held in the infirmary at Fort Devens federal prison.”

    Except …. Tamerlan is photographed handcuffed in police custody before being magically “run over” by his brother and Dzhokhar is photographed leaving the boat (no gun on him or in boat) uninjured. The fact that both received fatal and near fatal injuries when in police custody and protection, is deeply suspicious. Now (surprise surprise) despite having them all all on their books for years, DNA evidence is connecting them to the 2011 murders. Don’t you think after such a grusome multiple murder, the DNA information and associates would have been followed up then?

  • Tim V

    As previously noted, I am sure you have not missed the date – a tenth anniversary.

  • bluebird

    Tim v
    Strange. I can still open the trb.com blog.
    It confirms that Riccio works as a bounty hunter and depth collector

    Now we have:
    1.Italian Trattoria run by a Sicily family.
    2.The Italo-American owner of the Trattoria house has a business as a bounty hunter and depth collector.
    3.MMA fighters and boxers go in and out that Trattoria (Italian seafood and pasta restaurant), including the two Tsarnaev brothers and Tadashev. Dzokhar is befriended with the Trattoria manager Massimiliano Freddura.
    4. FBI search the Trattoria and interview Freddura shortly after the bombing, though nothing is told in main media.

    Well, Mess was a MMA fighter, too.

    I believe that i could account 1+1=

    Sicilian family, trattoria, Italian bounty hunter and depth collector, MMA fighters and boxers befriended and going in and out the trattoria = ……

    Make the math!

  • bluebird

    The Orlando house where Tadashev was shot dead might be a house owned by Russian intelligence.

    Roman Shakhmanov owns that house where Tadashev was shot dead.

    http://www.ocpafl.org/Searches/ParcelSearch.aspx/PID/282313935820002

    http://www.octaxcol.com/Search/Details.aspx?AccountId=122840&AccountType=1

    Shakhmanov Roman has two friends there:

    One of them: Alexey Chikov 
    Branch / Unit:The military prosecutor’s office Bryansk Russia, 2010-2011

    http://m.vk.com/alexey_chikov

    More details regarding Chikov and Shakhmanov needed.

  • Tim V

    Thomas Paine you mean Marlin
    23 May, 2013 – 12:45 am? Took a moment for the penny to drop there. For the uninitiated …

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine‎

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke‎

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