The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
Just noting this story as the car is an older BMW and the targets are cyclists I doubt there is any connection .
I would have thought it would have been easily solved I guess no-one got the reg of the car .
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Cyclist-shoved-bike-passenger-car/story-19485833-detail/story.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2360013/Silver-BMW-driver-deliberately-attacking-cyclists-pushing-bikes-driving-away.html
FB I agree with the others that you should not reveal any details on the girls ,it must be very distressing for you not being able to do anything but unless we know the reasoning behind them being kept safe we cannot know if it is for the best or not .
It is down to their family members to pursue all avenues which I am sure they are perhaps you could join forces with one of them ?
As a matter of interest what do you make of the police investigation do you see it as a cover up or cock up ?
http://m.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/a-910676.html
(German only, needs translation)
Now at court. court questioning reveals false witnesses, fake cars and fake cyclists.
Habil Kilic assassination by NSU/Gladio killers.
In the court questioning of the assassination of Turkish shop owner in Germany the leader of the investigation confirms that there were false witnesses and fake stories to confuse his investigation. Witnesses saw “two sports guys on expensive race bicycles” leaving the scene and a mercedes leaving high speed. Nothing of that was true.
In fact the two killers walked in, shot him with a Ceska83 7.65 previously purchased in Switzerland and simply walked away. Nobody saw them? However they saw a mercedes and two cyclists who never were there.
They must have felt very save. Next to that shop there is a police station and many police guys were regularly shopping in that shop. How would they know that they were save. Good timing?
Gladio! Including fake witnesses, fake cars and fake cyclists. Well prepared.
Fat Bastard @ 13 Jul, 2013 – 10:01 am
Is an application to the Family Court to review the case possible? To at least get Surrey Social Services to justify themselves before a judge.
Unless there is a very good reason, I think the girls are being treated very cruelly and the family outrageously.
Fat Bastard
13 Jul, 2013 – 1:55 am You say:
“Re
The children
they have been taken by Surrey social services
and are being held against their will
indoors with no schooling
one family member is allowed 1 hour a week contact
and this changes randomly”
The treatment of the children has always proved this was no ordinary crime. I have always been concerned as to how they were handled. Someone is making these decisions, that must by law, be in the best interests of the children. How can it possibly be in their best interests to compound the trauma of personal loss by isolating them from family members? Have we moved on at all since the “Princes in the Tower”. At the very least, should not “the Authorities” – in reality an individual somewhere, be it Social Services, the Police or Government – be asked to justify its decisions and actions? This on the face of it, is a huge and offensive infringement of human rights and exercise of bureaucratic power. Only a high level of risk to, or protection of vital information from, the children can be envisaged to justify it. Where is the Press to seek explanation. Where is the RSPCC? Where is the Court of Protection? Where is the pro bono family barrister to challenge in the High Court? What has the Government got on the family to keep them quiet and accept these outrageous conditions after more than ten months? How does one go about starting a petition?
Thanks Pink
13 Jul, 2013 – 6:25 am. I’ve got you now. I see what you are saying. I have to say I have no view on that mark other than it could be an oil mark as it appears to lead to a black blob further down?
James
13 Jul, 2013 – 8:32 am and earlier post, it is a truth self evident that SAH REVERSED his car into that position. This also must mean that he executed a “three point turn” either by passing and doing a LH lock in reverse, or perhaps less likely, going past to the top, reversing in there and driving back down, stopping and doing a RH lock reverse to park. Either way we might expect this to be done at low relative speed insufficient to leave tracks. (The only other possibility would be a wide LH sweep into the car park ending up facing out at the bottom, but for a caravan motorist, this seems the least likely to me)
It is evident that the final resting place of the car was not where it was when the attack started. This is evidenced by the tyre tracks leading to the spinning wheel marks at the bank. It is also supported by WBM’s testimony as to how he discovered the car. Please note these tracks are STRAIGHT from which we can only conclude at the time the shooting started the car was parked up forward of its final position, i.e. closer to the road. This is where we might expect a visiting car to park affording maximum visibility for the passengers.
Btw
In Eric’s investigation there are also 2 cyclists and a speeding car in Chevaline. I wonder about if he will tell the same story … in ten years …. at court …. what the German chief of investigation in the Habil Kilic Gladio-assassination did reveal at court this week: Both the speeding mercedes and the two cyclists were FAKE and that there were fake “witnesses” to confuse his investigation, too.
Spot on quote there Bluebird
13 Jul, 2013 – 11:52 am. It’s why my reasoning uses the information we have been given but always considers the possibility it is false. From the beginning I have flagged up the confusion and inconsistencies of the SUV, now complicated by the BMWx5, as have others, and the possibility that it may be contrived to mislead. Do you not think that after ten months the police would have a clear unambiguous statement about the vehicles at the scene if they had a mind to. The perpetuation of confusion must be deliberate for some reason known only to them. It is highly suspicious. However I still believe a 4×4 was there and that the bones WBM’s account is substantially correct, though I believe much has been with-held. It is supported by the tyre tracks, yet bizarrely EM and police did their level best to scotch that bit of evidence by pinning them quite irrationally on SAH himself. There must be an important reason for them doing so.
Background of the 2001-2011 Gladio assassinations in Germany:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosphorus_serial_murders
The following two links are in German, however, i strongly recommend to read the first on at least, by using google translate. It will reveal how secret services and criminals cooperate in so called “terror plots” and how police investigation is being faked with false witnesses and false “facts”. Once police is getting closer because theyaccidentally know the killers, then even police officers will be killed. And also, in that case a member of the secret service was always seen exactly where the assassinations have happened. However, he had never been a suspect of course.
http://www.hintergrund.de/201111161793/politik/inland/immer-tiefer-verstrickt-geheimdienste-und-nazi-terror.html
http://friedensblick.de/4918/nsu-kleinstzelle-oder-gladio-netzwerk/
Those are very revealing reports and they are showing the same system that was used in the al Hilli assassinations.
In all that context we should not forget my previous investigations that the wider Mollier family were/are french right wing fanatics (details here in this forum) S&P is far right wing, too, although some of you share different opinions. The wider Mollier family is more right wing than Le Pen, in fact they were even excluded by Le Pen due to their NAZI symbolism. One of the Molliers was even arrested for right wing riots.
That creates another parallel to the German assassination series.
Also that secret service agent who had always been present whenever and whereever one of the many victims was killed but he had never been treated as a suspect nor even been interviewed by police, reminds me of WBM.
When we carefully compare these killings in Germany and in Chevaline we can find a lot of similarities, including the false witnesses and false police reports, including cyclists and speeding cars that never existed. What kind of symbolisms do cyclists have in Gladio operations?
@Fat Bastard 13 Jul, 2013 – 10:01 am @bleb 13 Jul, 2013 – 1:03 pm
There must already be proceedings in the Family Court. I wonder who is the girl’s guardian ad litem? The GAL is expected to represent the interests of the child.
http://www.familylawweek.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed308
Searching for bicycle or cyclist symbolism i saw that only:
Quotes:
1.The Bicycle as a symbol of progress, of renewal, of promising times ahead. This is not a new concept. Indeed it has been around since the invention of the bicycle. Many bicycle posters at end of the 19th century featured promising themes like liberation, progress, freedom.
2.Though the two films could not be more different from one another, the bicycle plays the same symbolic role in both: representing hope, joy, freedom, and simplicity. At the same time, in both films the bicycle is also used as a symbol of the unsustainable. “It is not possible for things to stay this good,” the cycling scenes suggest, thereby foreshadowing an eventual tragic ending. In order for these associations to work as cinematic tools – which in both films they do – there has to be a deeply ingrained cultural perception of the bicycle as a symbol of escapism and wishful thinking; the bicycle is something that is incompatible with “real life”. And this to me was very interesting to notice. Something to think about, at least.
@bluebird
13 Jul, 2013 – 4:21 pm
I think you’re missing the point about S&P. I don’t think it matters what their political orientation is at any particular time, as that seems to change with the wind.
The big question is whether those LaRouchian organisations are in fact still fronts for the CIA as they were originally deemed to be. Throw that into the mix and you have some very interesting possibilities.
Tim v
While i was thinking about the 4×4 symbolism, i did repeat my previous question about:
“Why would a witness realise that a speeding car is a 4×4?
I mean, if you dob’t know that car perfectly well, you would NEVER be able to determine whether or not that car speeding next to you was a 4×4. How the hell would you? Never!
And if you were a car expert, you certainly would not mix up a peugot with a mitsubishi and a mitsubishi with a bmw. And you would not mix up the colour of the car, would you?
So you see a car speeding next to you but you dont know whether it was a peugot, a bmw or a misubishi, and you dont know whether or not this car was white, black or green, but you cetrainly know that it was a 4×4 ? BS!
So then, if the 4×4 is not another Gladio symbolism, what is it that they all did insist on a 4×4?
Then i got the idea: they saw those tire marks in the car park and they knew that there was a 4×4 leaving quickly. The 4×4 was added by Eric’s investigators!
@Pink 13 Jul, 2013 – 6:25 am
You said ‘curving towards’ the bald man. Is it not curving away from him towards the ‘pink’ marker on the right hand side of the road?
If the mark is the skid mark of a bicycle, and the starting point is near where the bald man is standing what might that imply as to the direction of the cyclist’s travel?
This is a copy of my posts on craig murry back from nov 20th regarding the extreme right wing activities of the Molliers:
http://fafwatchra.noblogs.org/post/tag/ss/
Alain Mollier:
He has a facebook page with photo.
http://www.facebook.com/alain.mollier#!/alain.mollier/friends
I wouldn’t be so sure that this is THE Alain Mollier if he hadn’t linked Christophe Mollier as one of his friends.There is also a Alain Mollier-Camus. This could be the same guy or it is just somebody else who is not related. In another blog they say that Alain Mollier-Camus is a cousin.That guy is working here:
http://www.e-pro-construction.fr/savoie/realisation-de-couvertures-par-elements/mollier-camus-alain-marc-gilbert_f1624686
Christophe Mollier (linked by Alain Mollier)He is a teacher inLycée Les Portes de ChartreuseVoreppe, Rhone-Alpes, France(that is approx 1 hour from Ugine, near Grenoble).Christophe likes skiing, tennis, cycling, rugby and soccer.However, he is politically very active:He supports the following groups on his facebook site:
He supports Lyon Anti-AntifaHe supports Division Fenrir, a militant Nationalists Division
http://www.facebook.com/alain.mollier#!/DivisionFenrir
He supports Les Amis de Terre et Peuple
Another Nationalists organisation, Resistance indenititaire europeenne
He supports UDJ Lyon, Union et Defence de la Jeunesse, another nationalsocialist movement.
http://www.facebook.com/alain.mollier#!/UDJLYON
He supports Groupe Union Defense
http://www.facebook.com/alain.mollier#!/pages/GUD-PARIS-Syndicat-%C3%A9tudiant/246145445426551
Interestingly there are many Iraqi’s and other Arabs in these organisations, like a Hanaa Quassim, etc.He supports the politician Alexandre Gabriac
http://www.facebook.com/alain.mollier#!/pages/Alexandre-Gabriac/386248294732180
Interestingly, those Le-Pen branches like MNR, Anti-Antifa, etc. were funded by Saddam Hussein(!!) AND by MEDEF, particularly by their steel worker union branch (remember: Cezus!), particularly for the MNR!
Both Christophe Mollier and Christian Mollier are members in MNR!
Saddam Hussein funds? Hadn’t we heard about such in connection to SAH?
French NeoNAZIs, Saddam Hussein, money, killings, ….. ?!? Perhaps a good start here to investigate further.
Two of the Molliers were confirmed members of this Grenoble club. Perhaps somebody could find here something about/from other Molliers, too?
http://terresceltiques.hautetfort.com/
http://grenoble.indymedia.org/2012-05-23-Alerta-Antifascista-Deracinons-l
e propriétaire de Terre Celtique (située 40, cours Berriat à Grenoble) est un dénommé Christian Mollier ancien du MNR qui s’est illustré publiquement à deux reprise. La première est l’attaque d’une conférence de l’association ALI (amitiés et liens France-Maghreb) sur l’immigration qui lui vaudras son exclusion du MNR et une peine de 10 mois de prison avec sursis et 5 ans de privation de droit civique. Le président d’ALIF avait suite à cela reçu des menaces, puis sa femme a été agressée et torturée (il parait évident que Mollier n’est pas étranger à cette agression).
The parallels to the German Nazi/Gladio assassination series are exciting. Everything looks like a carbon copy.
Hhh
Hanaa Quassim, president of “Palestinian solidarity”, Swansea, UK, linked to Alain Mollier and a right wing Nazi group?
That would perfectly correspond with what we had previously found of S&P and Sylvain Mollier regarfing Palestinian Solidarity in Haute Savoie.
http://www.swansea-union.co.uk/activities/11088/
http://www.survivalisme-presse.com/Survie_Presse_Articles/Survivaliste_2012/Entrees/2012/12/22_Piero_San_Giorgio,_neo-fascist_survivalist_in_Geneva.html
And:
“Le 18 novembre dernier, Mohammed Harbi, historien et ancien membre du FLN, était invité par l’association ALIF (amitiés et liens France-Maghreb), au Musée dauphinois de Grenoble pour une conférence sur l’immigration en France. Des individus cagoulés avaient fait irruption dans la salle en proférant des injures racistes, brisé du mobilier et lancé des tracts signés du Comité nationaliste autonome. Parmi eux, fut mis en examen pour « dégradations en réunion, injures raciales et incitation à la haine raciale » Christian Mollier, militant du MNR (radié depuis). Suite à cette agression, le directeur et le président d’ALIF reçurent des menaces et des injures d’un autre âge : « Raton, creuse ta tombe », et diverses insanités du genre, le tout en lettres de presse découpées et recollées.A la veille d’une autre conférence, avec Benjamin Stora (historien spécialiste du Maghreb), les menaces sont passées à exécution. La femme du directeur d’ALIF, Chadli Daoud, a été agressée chez elle, le mercredi 9 février, par deux individus à visage découvert se faisant passer pour des policiers. Tortures avec brûlures et coups de cutter, du travail de nazillons dans la plus grande tradition de lâcheté qui caractérise ces gens-là. Là aussi, des slogans racistes : « raton », « ***** », et « melon », et d’autres menaces proférées à l’encontre de la famille. On est en droit de se demander comment une telle agression a pu avoir lieu, alors que les services de police étaient prévenus depuis le début de cette affaire. Déjà, une agression contre des militants de Ras l’front s’était soldée par un jugement sur des dégâts matériels : pas de sanction. Par de tels actes, les agresseurs touchent une communauté entière, mais aussi une personne salariée d’une association dans son travail et dans sa vie privée. Il semblerait qu’une certaine passivité de la police et de la justice laisse libre court à des agissements auxquels on peut légitimement soupçonner qu’ils acquiescent, et qu’ils s’en rendent complices. Selon les services de police et le Parquet, « aucun élément pour l’instant ne permet de rapprocher les deux affaires et d’affirmer que l’agression de Mme Daoud est le fait de membres issus de l’extrême droite ». Non, rien en effet, juste des menaces, des insultes, suivis peu après de sévices corporels… Un passage à l’acte explicite pourtant.Malgré tout, rien, et encore moins de tels actes de barbarie, ne fera taire la parole des associations et des anonymes de toutes origines qui défendent l’harmonie entre les communautés et le travail de recherche sur tous les apports culturels, politiques et sociaux de l’immigration en France. Le lendemain de l’agression, la conférence de M. Stora a eu lieu dans une salle comble avec un débat sur l’immigration algérienne. Des drapeaux français et des tracs ont été déposés sur les lieux. Pas de démonstration violente cette fois. Trop peu courageux pour venir expliquer en public tous ces arrière-goûts d’Algérie française et de xénophobie. L’ancienne chapelle baroque du Musée dauphinois abrite ces rencontres dans le cadre d’une exposition, et pour longtemps. Respect et dialogue ne riment pas avec racisme et fascisme.”Violaine Ripoll Quand on debat ensemble,du moins avec moi,soyez sincere,arreter de nous prendre pour des incultes.Pour revenir a mon posting,je ne vois pas de contradiction dans mes propos.Negocier avec la France,Ce n’est pas se soummettre a la France.cen’est pas plus un signe de faiblesse,a condition que de l’autre cote,on demontre sur le terrain,que les choses vont changer.
If you would believe that the al Hilli clan has no links to Algeria then you’re totally wrong.
Bin Hilli, Mohammed al Harbi, …. connected!
http://e.gov.kw/News/KUNAMoreNews_Eng.aspx?NewsId=113534
Arab League Secretary General Nabil Al-Arabi re-appointed Algerian Ambassador Ahmed Bin Hilli as deputy secretary-general in addition to his chairmanship of Political Department at Arab League Secretariat. Bin Hilli is also supervising the Technical Secretariat of the Arab Economic and Social Council. He is the second in line in the pan-Arab organization. Ambassador Bin Hilli was promoted in the Arab League organizational structure from a permanent representative of Algeria in the Arab organization, an adviser to the secretary general and then deputy for three secretary generals, Esmat Abdul-Majeed, Amr Moussa and Nabil Al-Arabi.
Why do/did the far right wing neonazi Molliers physically attack and torture highest ranked Algerien FLN members and their wives and families?
Any clues?
For those of you who had any doubts about tge Algerian ahmed bin hilli perhaps not being related to the al Hilli clan from Najaf (Iraq), read this:
http://www.bondladyscorner.com/t30693-bin-hilli-najafi-looking-with-ways-to-hold-the-arab-summit-in-baghdad
Ahmed bin Hilli (al) Najafi
The different spelling of Ahmed bin Hilli (Ahmed bin Helli, Ahmed bin Heli) in international media made me search for “al Helli”.
Thats what i found:
https://www.facebook.com/family/Al-Helli/1?iframe=true&width=100%25&height=100%25
This is not the father Kadhim al Hilli but he likely is a relative of that clan (facebook friend links inks to al Hilly who himself is a dentist in Basra who has facebook links to the al Saffar family). The al Hillis definitely are desperate car dealers. Hummer dealing in Iraq and RR in Dubai.
ae.linkedin.com/pub/kadhim-al-helli/59/725/790/
Kadhim Al Helli
Rolls-Royce Brand Manager Kadhim al Helli is an Iraqi national, but has been living in the UAE for over 10 years now, working in the automotive industry. He speaks English, Arabic and German.
@Mochyn6913 Jul, 5:16 pm
I thought that too Mochyn but I couldnt see how a car could drag a bike to that position .
@Mochyn6913 Jul, 5:16 pm
You said ‘curving towards’ the bald man. Is it not curving away from him towards the ‘pink’ marker on the right hand side of the road?
If the mark is the skid mark of a bicycle, and the starting point is near where the bald man is standing what might that imply as to the direction of the cyclist’s travel?
@Mochyn
I see you said skid mark I was thinking drag mark if its a skid mark it would make sense .
SO if that is the bloodstain of where SM fell with bike then it does look like the reversing bmw could have caught him don’t you think ?
Does it match the position of the drivers side wheel angle ?
http://deadzone61.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/112636787_fra_333662y_proc.jpg
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00333/112636811_fr_333658y.jpg
“This was our James Bond” …. Robert Mollier
Counter Espionage in North Africa (Algiers), in WW2 and in the Algerian independence war, assassinations in Italy and in Switzerland, and more. “The French James Bond”. 5 french secret service heroes, one of the 5 was Robert Mollier.
http://www.leparisien.fr/espace-premium/air-du-temps/c-est-notre-james-bond-30-03-2013-2682681.php
Why did Christian Mollier attack an Algerian FLN politician and torture his wife in Grenoble? The picture is opening its face ….
More about: James Bond Robert Mollier (clip):
http://www.popscreen.com/v/78AtP/Lespion-vous-salue-bien-DOC-Samedi-27-octobre-%C3%A0-15h25
There is a Robert Mollier near Doussard who runs a OPEL repair and car dealer shop/garage in Rummely. I dont think that he is the French James Bond, simply because 007 Mollier must be 90 years old today.
Lots of Molliers in the administrative elite in this village, including (car dealer?) Robert Mollier:
http://www.annuaire-mairie.fr/mairie-notre-dame-de-bellecombe.html
And this is the most interesting part: This is about GUN SHOOTING competitions (hand guns) in Haute Savoie. Search for Robert Mollier in that PDF. He sponsors one event (or is that event called so because of 007?). I Hope that this strange link will work.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=88&ved=0CDsQFjAHOFA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cibledusaleve.fr%2Finfos-pratiques%2Fcalendrier%2Ffinish%2F4-calendrier%2F5-calendrier-2012-2013&ei=HMHhUdmYE4jgOMSxgWg&usg=AFQjCNHZjiiF6wTBqhz18Z_o_hvJEHMKuA&sig2=wtg20qLUtYKN01ri-GtSiQ
Interesting. Rovert Mollier senior = 007 = Robert Mollier jun. sponsoring gun shooting events = car dealer and we have the Sylvain Mollier hunter ….
Bbb
Here is a better link for the Mollier shooting competition:
http://www.cdtir74.com/evenements?before_today=1
Search site for “mollier” to find it quickly.