The Big Gay Wedding

by craig on May 11, 2014 9:33 am in Uncategorized

As long term readers know, I love the Eurovision Song Contest. It is just so much fun and so resoundingly daft. Graham Norton’s comment last night, “it’s like the gay wedding I’ll never have”, summed it up rather well. We also learnt that Danish humour is impenetrable. Having once spent a week there living with Danish friends, I guess a country that seems to live on raw fish and raw eggs will forever shimmer beyond my comprehension. Like Hamlet’s mind – impossible to understand completely, but marvelous.

I was however saddened by the audience booing of the two young Russian girls. That was really nasty and unfair. They were scarcely more than children, for goodness sake. Putin is not their fault. That booing was an exhibition of racism; nothing else you can call it. If people wanted to make a point, they could have screamed for the Ukrainian girl – they didn’t have to boo the young Russians.

People always complain about political voting, but I think that’s half the fun. I always enjoy the voting far more than most of the singing. Last night, I think, was political voting in a wonderful way. It was a joyful expression of approval for the idea that human beings can and should be what they want to be. It wasn’t the first time either – I remember a similarly gender challenging singer from Israel winning some years ago. What was even better this year, was that another stereotype was also challenged, in that Conchita swept up much support from Eastern as well as Western Europe. Let it be said that she had a damn good song too.

We voted for the Polish girls. I thought the honesty of their approach was brilliant, and reminded me of so many happy days in Warsaw in my youth. Good to see women doing the washing too.*

All in all, great fun and a life-affirming evening. Now to clear away all the mess – why did I stick all those empty Prosecco bottles on the front garden railings?

*Private joke for my friends at Russia Today media (formerly trading as Indymedia).

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  1. Yes you do have previous form!
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/?s=eurovision

    What happened in 2012? There seems to be a blank. Sweden apparently won then in that outpost of democracy, Baku.

  2. Roll forward to 2019 and a hyperthetical win by a female to male gender disphoric person.
    Would a woman, feeling the man inside and with beart, equally good at singing and standing on one spot without moving, enthrall the audience, medusa like?

  3. You’re a queer, Craig, and your wife will be leaving soon.

  4. Enoch

    Now I’ve been accused of many things in my time, but I think that’s a first! Now, how did a sorry individual like you come to be on this website in the first place?

  5. You could say that about a lot of folk that frequent your Blog, but we always come back.

    We all lurv you Craig.

  6. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 May, 2014 - 12:59 pm

    I always thought the best bits of the Eurovision Song Contest, as relayed by the BBC, were the commentary by (was it?) Terry Wogan. Is the new British commentator, whoever he/she is, the same/any good?

  7. For those of you who remember the comic genius Kenny Everett’s Cupid Stunt…….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aPrOuPxLno

  8. Habbabkuk

    It is Graham Norton

    http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2014/may/11/eurovision-conchita-won-out-over-prejudice

    Austria creamed it, winning in style with the not-notably-heterosexual bearded drag act Conchita Wurst, who had sung a Bond anthem called, if my notes are correct, Rise Like A Penis.

    Btw, Russia awarded Ukraine 7 points and Ukraine awarded Russia 4 points.
    Russian telephone voting put Austria at No 3. Overall Russia awarded Austria 5 points. In Ukraine the Russian entry was the third most popular song in televoting (Poland and Armenia at 1 and 2).

    All the Eurovision voting stats at links below.

    http://www.eurovision.tv/page/results?event=1893&voter=RU (Russian votes)
    http://www.eurovision.tv/page/results?event=1893&voter=UA (Ukraine votes)

  9. Very odd that the audience, most of which could not have pointed to Crimea on a map a few months ago, were so well drilled at booing the Russian contenders whenever they appeared or were mentioned.

    I know the Russians take the contest very seriously, but they should withdraw from it on the grounds that the it has been turned from a singing contest into an EU propaganda platform and degenerate freak show.

    And when did Turkey, Azerbaijan and least of all, Israel, become part of Europe?

  10. The audience’s pathetic booing of Russia’s teenage Tolmachevy twins is the reason I voted for them (by landline and mobile).

  11. My favourites were Vicky Leandros with Apres Toi and My Love is Blue. Going back a bit!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka89ORFu_Tc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWkwzkOs82g#t=113

  12. Israel televoting put the Russians at No 3 as well.

    History of European Broadcasting Union – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Broadcasting_Union

    Israel joined in 1957

    Ukraine came 6th
    Russia 7th.
    UK 17th

    Ukraine and Russia both gave zero points to the UK.

  13. Thanks for that, Squonk. You’re the Bill Frindall of Eurovision stats. Well done to Russell Brand for the winning song anyway.

  14. Anybody who boos the Russians for being Russian, needs to step back and look into the mirror.

    What other people in modern times has thrown off the evil yoke of socialism by their own courage? First by defeating the Nazis, and then by defeating Communism, despite the huge financial support from its international Jewish sponsors; Russians have won through against the odds.

    Meanwhile the west becomes ever more morally corrupt, not knowing a hawk from a heron; arse from quim; or piety from virtue.

  15. Squonk

    “Austria creamed it, winning in style with the not-notably-heterosexual bearded drag act Conchita Wurst, who had sung a Bond anthem called, if my notes are correct, Rise Like A Penis.”

    I’m told that Conchita is slang for a pussy and Wurst is, of course, a sausage.

    Which brings me to Craig’s “It was a joyful expression of approval for the idea that human beings can and should be what they want to be.”.

    Yes, a bearded lady calling itself a cockgina could be considered “gender-challenging” I suppose. Defininitely a PhD in there somewhere.

  16. “Meanwhile the west becomes ever more morally corrupt”

    Ah, but s/he was challenging genderisms, you see. And that “Peace and Unity” bit at the end had the bien-pensant liberal elite gushing with delight as they sipped their Proseccos.

  17. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 May, 2014 - 4:32 pm

    “And that “Peace and Unity” bit at the end had the bien-pensant liberal elite gushing with delight”
    _________________

    A particularly well-chosen metaphor in the context of a song sung by a Wurst, if I may say so.

    Nevermind pls confirm.

  18. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 May, 2014 - 4:41 pm

    “What other people in modern times has thrown off the evil yoke of socialism by their own courage? First by defeating the Nazis, and then by defeating Communism, despite the huge financial support from its international Jewish sponsors; Russians have won through against the odds.”
    _________________

    Something a bit strange about that comment, Jimmy Giro.

    Are you saying that Communism (and perhaps the Nazis) received huge financial support from international Jewish sponsors, or did you mean that it was the Russian people that received this huge financial support (in which case they wouldn’t have thrown off the yoke of socialism “by their own courage)?

    If the former, then we are in the realm of pure nonsense; if the latter, then you are contradicting yourself.

    Please take lessons in greater drafting clarity. There are any number of commenters on here who would, I’m sure, be delighted to help…

  19. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 May, 2014 - 4:46 pm

    “Habbabkuk

    It is Graham Norton”
    _________________

    Thank you, AlcAnon. Is his approach to presenting the contest similar to Terry Wogan’s?

  20. Anon seems to have changed avatars since 7 May
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/dysfunction-in-nigeria/#comment-456718
    or changed e-mail address/IP address?

    Or maybe that is another Anon commenting above.

    Anyway, no need to being everything down to lowest common denominator.

  21. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 May, 2014 - 5:26 pm

    Mary

    “Anon seems to have changed avatars since 7 May
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/dysfunction-in-nigeria/#comment-456718
    or changed e-mail address/IP address?

    Or maybe that is another Anon commenting above.”
    _________________

    You said something similar about me, albeit on Squonk’s blog.

    Are you in anyway related to Miss Marple?

  22. s/be Anyway, there is no need to bring everything down to the lowest common denominator.

  23. The Dutch entry that came runner-up was actually very good imo.

  24. @ Haveacock (Lack a bell-end)

    What other people in modern times have thrown off the evil yoke of socialism by their own courage? First by defeating the Nazis; and then by defeating Communism. Despite the huge financial support for socialist systems, by international Jewish sponsors, Russians have won through, against the odds.

    Any better?

  25. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 May, 2014 - 7:16 pm

    Jimmy Giro

    That’s much better, thanks for making the effort.

    Could you now flesh out, with examples, your thought that international Jewish sponsors provided huge financial support for socialist systems?

  26. I agree Jimmy booing, hooting or cat-calling Russians is not using our intelligence. Perhaps we need to look closely at ourselves. What do we believe?

    We cheer whistle-blowers here. They risk everything to expose distortion of the truth, subterfuge and corruption.

    Annie Machon gives us the insight we need to awaken intractable, mulish and pig headed minds; to realise we are all dispensable, trivial cogs in a merciless, apathetic and venomous machine.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwDNW0_O18w

    With love and thanks.

  27. Quite a number of comments from Anonymous. Busy person. Funny name. Or else, embarrassed to put a name to kooky comments.

  28. Bankers funded communists to topple the Tsar, because he wanted to remain outside their system of debt slavery.

    Job done.

    They then funded the Nazis to topple the communists, hoping to then bring Russia within their financial control.

    Failed.

    Not used to losing, they then snatched a victory of sorts by portraying this emboldened USSR as a threat to the US and Europe, enabling them to build up their military power within the West.

    Soviet Union collapses.

    The bankers think they’ve won. Their people are sent in to rape and plunder Russian resources. They talk nobly of globalisation, the global village and how happy we’ll all be in this new world. For good measure they undermine Russia’s European friend, Serbia.

    Then, amidst massive destruction of Russian lives and economy, Putin comes to power, throws the bankers friends out and creates a sovereign currency.

    Things improve for Russia, and the bankers realise they’ll now have to do it bit by bit.

    First thing they do is neutralize those smaller energy rich countries, for fear they may consider selling energy in a currency other than USD. They realise that this would collapse the dollar, since the only thing holding the heavily indebted US together is the maintenance of the dollar as reserve currency.

    Iraq, Libya and Sudan are dispatched to chaos and slaughter. Iran is next for the same treatment, but first they must destroy Syria.

    They fail in Syria.

    Now they realise they’ll have to fatally undermine Russia itself.

    Luckily, all the while they’ve been hoovering up former Warsaw Pact countries on Russia’s borders, failing in Georgia and with Ukraine still ongoing. By these means they hope to weaken Russia enough that she’ll submit or at worst she’ll quickly be defeated in any nuclear engagement.

    That’s where we are.

    This is a fight where the result will be one of two outcomes. Either the West wins overall control and the dollar remains dominant, or it collapses to nothing.

    These are Banker wars.

    In order to better fight this war, Western countries removed banking controls in the 1990s. All the financial chaos and misery you see about you is a product of that, and is enabling bankers to hoover up Western resources.

    They’ve been thinking ahead. You see, even if the dollar loses this battle the bankers will have amassed enough material wealth to sustain themselves as power moves east. Even when they lose, they win.

    If the West loses, many western countries will be placed under fascist rule as this is the tried and tested way of preserving elite wealth during what will be a time of economic stasis and mass poverty in the US and much of the West.

    One thing’s for sure. Ordinary people will suffer. They always do in bankers wars.

  29. Glenn Greenwald wipes the floor with banker military and academic muppets:

    “The actual debate starts about 27 minutes into the video below”

    http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/watch_glenn_greenwald_debate_the_former_head_of_the_nsa_20140507

  30. @ Mark Golding

    I love Annie’s voice.

  31. Testing to see if I am banned. JM

  32. JM

    No, why would you be?

  33. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    11 May, 2014 - 11:28 pm

    Herbie; The only doors GG is blowing off is the door of dissemenation. You should look at comments on Intercept. Muscle atrophy caused by lack of use.

  34. Well done Herbie, a good summation of the Machiavillian maneouverings that are underway to preserve the petrodollar, and the root source of American exceptionalism.
    The muppets continue in buy into the anti Russian propaganda emanating from the US Ministry of Lies & Fabrication.
    The methods of Lous Edward Bernays have been well honed by the US spin machine.

  35. In a few years maybe Scotland will be allowed its’ own entry into the ESC ?

    Might I suggest a bunch of kilted bagpipe blowing men ( no underware to be worn of course to keep up tradition) wallowing around in a sea of crude oil, and a caber tossing transvestite as background amusement. Perhaps Alex Salmond as the front man, it doesn’t matter if he can sing or not nor does it matter too much about the song, only the performance and any implied or overt political message.

  36. They are already in rehearsal mode, it’s the Euro connection.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7OnzJhM5i4

  37. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    12 May, 2014 - 2:25 am

    Richard Clarke, lol. Shill.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKIVlxUm0o

  38. Shills???

    This feckin blog is full of them.

  39. James Mason,

    It’s a testament to Craig’s tolerance you aint banned.

    Your historical posts were abysmal,nasty.

    But feel free to start again.

    I only do contrary late night posts to noise up the trolls,deflectively,so Mary gets a clean posting run early doors…:.)

    The fools haven’t figured that out yet…lol.

  40. Jives. LOL! Ta.

    72% of the great British public do not trust politicians according to a new You Gov poll. Well. Surprise! Surprise!

  41. All you ever wanted to know as to the reasons behind the Ukainian crisis. Long article , but then there are a lot of cooks in that particular kitchen, that brought it to the boil, but burned the dinner.

    http://www.outsiderclub.com/warning-the-ukraine-is-at-a-flashpoint/960

  42. Ba'al Zevul (The Sun Has Got His Hat On)

    12 May, 2014 - 8:43 am

    I once watched that Eurovision Song Contest. Never again.

  43. Thanks Salford Lad for the article. Not much new there but accurate nonetheless. I left a comment, waiting approval.

    “Good article.

    ‘Of course, those are just the wars we know about.’ If my memory serves correctly the US, according to Russia Today, has taken military intervention in 360 countries since 1945.

    Wake up world. There is a wolf huffing and puffing at your door..If you have a house of straw, it will fall. If you have a house of wood, it will fall. Unfortunately, if you have a house of brick, it too will fall. This is one big, bad wolf!”

  44. craigmurray.org.uk

    12 May, 2014 - 9:26 am

    James Mason, no your not banned, it was mistaken identity. Sorry.

  45. “The EU and US have deemed the polls illegal, and Ukraine’s interim government called the vote a “farce”.”

    But elections held in Iraq during US occupation were a “triumph of democracy”.

    Funny, that.

  46. In a country where spivs and crooks make it big, the chief spiv defends a tax avoider and says he shouldn’t lose his OBE. Barlow has done a lot for his ‘country’ and for ‘charidee’. Quite so Mr Barlow – the National Society for the Avoidance of Tax.

    Take That star Gary Barlow should keep OBE – Cameron
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27364089

    He was speaking to the airhead ex BBC Breakfast presenter turned Strictly Come Dancing finalist who negotiated herself a £1m pa contract with Mr Crozier’s ITV, he latterly of Royal Mail.

    Adam Crozier earned over £8m in 2013
    ITV chief’s remuneration rises by 189% on 2012, boosted by shares awarded in 2010 and company’s performance share plan
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/mar/20/adam-crozier-eight-million-pay-2013

    Before ITV, he was in receipt of some £millions from the Royal Mail.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1246760/Adam-Crozier-gets-ITV-job-Royal-Mail-debacle.html

    PS Ms Reid on ITV’s Breakfast programme is dire, as the ratings show. Should have stuck with the sequins and fake tan Susanna. A silly woman.
    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/367811/Breakfast-show-presenter-Susannah-Reid-in-tug-of-war-with-ex-partner-for-child-custody

    PPS It’s all $millions now. Have you noticed?

  47. Paul Edward Winston White, Baron Hanningfield:

    Hanningfield’s was charged with six counts of false accounting and his trial at Chelmsford Crown Court began on 16 May 2011. Prosecuting counsel Clare Montgomery QC accused Hanningfield of claiming for overnight stays in London when he had in fact returned to his home in Essex.

    On one occasion, when he claimed reimbursement for an overnight stay in London, he was actually on a plane to India.

    He was sentenced to nine months’ imprisonment.

    Todays news from the BBC:

    Lord Hanningfieln ordered to repay [another] £3,300 expenses and suspended from the Lords until end of current Parliament.

    I wonder why he hasn’t been charged with fraud this time. He seems to be a repeat offender.

  48. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 11:17 am

    Mr Scorgie

    “Lord Hanningfieln ordered to repay [another] £3,300 expenses and suspended from the Lords until end of current Parliament.

    I wonder why he hasn’t been charged with fraud this time. He seems to be a repeat offender.”
    ___________________

    Possibly because it wasn’t a case of false accounting (fraud) this time?

    Can you provide more information on why he had to repay £3.300 expenses, to justify your comment, which I note you have framed carefully in order to – just – avoid libelling the Noble Lord?

    Thanks.

  49. More like Nobhead Lord, print and be damned.

  50. I read about that Doug and gave a wry smile to myself.

    To be suspended I note! Not from the yard arm we trust.

    Lord Hanningfield set to be suspended over expenses breach
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27373115

    A pretence of justice served and delivered. Just a drop in the ocean of course. No mention of the lobby groups and the profiteering of many others in both ‘hices’.

  51. Spendthrifts in what is the land of plenty for some.

    19 March 2013 L
    ord Hanningfield office at Essex County Council spending published
    Lord Hanningfield Lord Hanningfield was leader of Essex County Council from 2001 until 2010

    Hanningfield wins damages action
    Expenses fraud peer could be sued
    Peer spent £286k on council card

    Staff who worked for the disgraced peer Lord Hanningfield spent about £70,000 on Essex County Council credit cards in his last two-and-half years there.

    Lord Hanningfield was jailed in 2011 for falsely claiming £28,000 in parliamentary expenses.

    The council office staff spending details released cover 2007 to 2010.

    The authority said although some of the purchases would not now be deemed “wholly necessary” they were “legitimate” at the time.

    Staff purchases included tens of thousands of pounds on travel to places such as Washington, Delhi, Shanghai, Helsinki, Hong Kong and the Caribbean.

    ‘Legitimate at time’

    Other items bought include £180 on suit hire for a trip to Royal Ascot, a stay at The Goring in Belgravia and a £185.50 meal at Loch Fyne where arrangements for the annual budget were finalised.

    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-21841873

  52. No Need for Bitterness
    by Paul Lojeski / May 11th, 2014

    Look, don’t put
    yourself out on
    my account. If

    you can’t pay
    me a living wage
    or the minimum

    wage or any wage
    at all, don’t worry
    about it, be happy

    cause it’s all the
    same groove,
    whether the road

    to riches beyond
    imagination or the
    wheel of bone

    breaking poverty
    beyond conception,
    it doesn’t matter.

    This is, after all,
    the American dream
    and dreams are

    often nightmares.
    That’s the way it is,
    so pay me whatever

    you want to or don’t
    pay me a plug nickel
    but, please, do me

    a favor and take your
    fucking boot from off
    my bleeding neck.

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/05/no-need-for-bitterness/

  53. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 11:48 am

    And back on topic – the Eurovision song contest 2014.

    Thought readers might be interested in the following, out of good ol’ Russia.

    A respectable continental newspaper reports as follows (my translation):

    “While the Eurovision song contest has already provided the stage for other demands for human rights and tolerance, this is the first time that a country – Russia – has intervened in such a way in the very organisation of the contest.

    When the Austrian victory was announced, the Russian vice-premier Dmitri Rogozine confirmed on Twitter his poor opinion of Conchita Wurts’ appearance on the show by opining that the result of the Eurovision contest “has given the supporters of European integration a glimpse if what awaits them if they join Europe, ie., a bearded girl”. For his part, the nationalist Vladimir Jirinovsky, speaking on the Russian public TV station Rossiya-1, stressed that “our indignation knows no bounds. This is the end of Europe. Europe has gone mad. There aren’t any men and women there any longer, just “its” instead.”.

    Nice guys! :)

    ********************

    “Life has become better, life has become merrier!” (J. Stalin, ca. 1934)

  54. Ba'al Zevul (The Sun Has Got His Hat On)

    12 May, 2014 - 11:48 am

    ‘Big Gay Wedding?’

    On this day of all days (as my local ATM informed me this morning), Craig. Tut.

    http://dayagainsthomophobia.org/

  55. You are quite right about the shame of booing those poor Russian girls. I felt very badly for them. It was boorish. Certainly not worthy of any event with the name Europe in it.
    Is there any way to let them know that that was an aberration and that many Europeans want to apologize to them. Maybe a collective temporary site on your – or another’s – blog which gets thousands of signatures and cheerful comments to wish them well?

  56. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 11:54 am

    Mary

    Is that what you call poetry?

    For many lovers of poetry, it would simply be (not very illuminating) prose broken up into three-lone “verses”.

    What do the lovers of poetry on this blog – there are some who would see themselves as such – think of this effort? Short expletives allowed!

  57. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 11:56 am

    “Maybe a collective temporary site on your – or another’s – blog which gets thousands of signatures and cheerful comments to wish them well?”
    _____________________

    Don’t be so foolish.

    Or are you just guying readers? :)

  58. @Habby: So it looks as if Eurovision 2014 has had the unexpected consequence of further uniting Russia.

  59. Here in Vienna it certainly cheered us up.Winners at last.
    We’ve got the Life Ball coming up at the end of the month too.
    Bill Clinton makes his annual visit to the TGBL party against AIDS.
    I can see this bearded Tranny thing taking off.
    Spain was more to my taste. A diva without a beard.

  60. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 1:59 pm

    Peacewisher

    “@Habby: So it looks as if Eurovision 2014 has had the unexpected consequence of further uniting Russia.”
    ________________

    Absolutely! Several different strands of political opinion in Russia are united in their tolerance for LGTGs. Lovely place :)

  61. From the Sky report of the Rolf Harris trial –

    ‘The woman also told the court her mother had told her “never to trust a man with a beard”.

    Now what about a woman with a beard like Ms Wurst?

  62. Exclusive: Tory MP complains that ‘trendy intellectuals’ voted for ‘transvestite’ to win EurovisionPinkNews Exclusive.

    Tory MP Gordon Henderson has posted a rant about Eurovision winner Conchita Wurst, claiming that “trendy intellectuals” voted for a “transvestite” to win.

    Drag artist Conchita Wurst, played by Tom Neuwirth, was crowned the winner of yesterday’s contest, winning 290 points despite causing controversy in Eastern Europe.

    The Sittingbourne and Sheppey MP wrote on his Facebook page: “Some questions about tonight’s Eurovision Song Contest.

    “How can a bearded man with a rubbish song from a ‘second divison’ EU country dressed as a woman win?”

    “Why is it that the UK with the best pop industry in the World always do so badly? Does anybody care?”

    /..
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/05/11/exclusive-tory-mp-complains-that-trendy-intellectuals-voted-for-transvestite-to-win-eurovision/

    He spends a lot of time filling in questionnaires.
    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=24828

    Otherwise Tory lobby fodder. http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24828/gordon_henderson/sittingbourne_and_sheppey/votes

    but the non Tory politician he most admires is Farage! That will not go down very well at Millbank Tower.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Henderson_(politician)

  63. Sexual orientation is not important I repeat sexual orientation is not important.

    Further more many things are important I repeat many things are important.

    Human rights because of sexual orientation are important.

    Sexual orientation is not important!

    Environmental and welfare is animals and plants included equally.

  64. Or Mary.

    “A man with a beard has something to hide.”

    Yes, his chin.

    Actually the Russian word for chin is podborodok (Подбородок) which literally means ‘under the beard’. Whereas chin (чин) in Russian means rank, as in degree, rather than smell. Interesting but useless fact, unless you have a use for it. :)

  65. Ba'al Zevul (The Sun Has Got His Hat On)

    12 May, 2014 - 2:56 pm

  66. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 2:56 pm

    Mary

    Yes, Tory MP Gordon Henderson sounds almost as nasty as Russian vice-premier Dmitro Rogozine and red-fascist leader Vladimir Jirinovsky, doesn’t he.

    The difference being that he doesn’t have any bands of fascist thugs at his disposal, ready and eager to beat up (or worse) gays, lesbians and transgender people.

    Thank God we live in the UK.

    Although not a LGTG, I love the UK!

  67. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 2:57 pm

    As opposed to some, who “hate” the UK :)

  68. and don’t mess with Mrs Netanyahu.

    ‘Rivlin appears to have suffered a similar fate to others who expected major promotions from the prime minister only to get on the bad side of Sara. I’ve recounted a number of times how this happened to Yitzhak Ilan, who expected to be named Shabak chief, only to lose out to the eventual victor, Yoram Cohen. Madame LaFarge also got her revenge on Rivlin as this news account notes (Hebrew and English):

    Rivlin alluded to a cabal presided over by Bibi’s wife, and Avigdor Lieberman which worked to drive him from the Knesset speakership. “Seems to me there were only three people who didn’t want me to have the job. That is the chairman of Yisrael Beitenu and the prime minister.” Rivlin didn’t mention Sara Netanyahu by name, but referred to her as “the person always in the center of things but always behind the scene. I don’t go into gossip and such things.”’

    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/05/12/sara-netanyahus-machinations-to-prevent-rivlin-from-winning-presidency/

  69. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    12 May, 2014 - 3:28 pm

    Palestinians don’t hate the geography of Palestine, just because it’s controlled by fascists in disguise. The land hasn’t done anything wrong in the UK either.

  70. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 5:25 pm

    Mary

    “…and don’t mess with Mrs Netanyahu.”
    ________________

    Your point is….?

  71. Freedonia Liberation Army

    12 May, 2014 - 5:25 pm

    OT but hilarious. US shitheads explaining our complex modern world.

    https://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ukraine-pakistan-erreur-cnn.jpg

  72. AlcAnon yesterday 3.29pm

    The voting really was strange.

    Eurovision voting figures show juries and public clash
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27371264

    I noted that in the UK viewers had to phone in with their votes. No using the app. Lovely jubbly for BT and the other providers.

  73. doug scorgie

    12 May, 2014 - 5:56 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 11:17 am

    “Possibly because it wasn’t a case of false accounting (fraud) this time?”

    Well Habbabkuk, I just wondered why, with his history of criminality, the police were not asked to investigate.

    Of course it could all be down to a misunderstanding of the “rules” or a “clerical error” an “oversight on his part” or a “memory lapse”

    “Lord Hanningfield claims he had to fiddle expenses to look after his Chickens”

    http://www.news.nom.co/lord-hanningfield-claims-he-had-to-9291226-news/

    In my book that’s fraud.

    If he has committed fraud he should be back behind bars.

    Don’t you agree Habbabkuk?

  74. BrianFujisan

    12 May, 2014 - 6:44 pm

    Amazing how The Guardian Journalists perceive Thon J. Clarkson Rhyme scandal… more outrageous than.. the Illegal Slaughter we have engaged in… these last several years… a great response to it By the Guys at Medialens

    ” ….And this is the great lie of the Guardian, that it is not also the ‘pumping heart’ of the establishment, that it has not itself played a key role in facilitating the devastation of democracy at home and wars of aggression abroad. The lie is that the Guardian is offering us hope of something different, when in fact it supplies more of the same, or worse.

    Writer and researcher Alice Bell, who has appeared regularly in the Guardian since 2010, also joined the bandwagon suggesting to her Twitter followers:

    ‘If you haven’t complained to the BBC about Clarkson, but think you’d like to, this is the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/

    We asked Bell:

    ‘How many complaints have you suggested for BBC journalists who helped make war possible in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya?’

    Bell replied:

    ‘there are many things the BBC have done that piss me off that I haven’t bothered to tweet a link to the complaints page for.’

    Bell, it seems, ‘bothered’ to tweet about Clarkson’s ‘eeny, meeny’ scandal but not about her government’s responsibility for some of the great crimes of modern history.

    This is a common and disastrous theme in contemporary society. As long as we are willing to perceive, or deem ourselves responsible for, only one small part of our world, the suffering of the world as a whole can be overlooked, or declared beyond our job spec: ‘I’m an oil executive, it’s not my job to protect the climate.’ ‘I’m an arms manufacturer, it’s not my job to prevent people killing each other.’ ‘I’m a science writer, it’s not my job to comment on my government’s war crimes.’

    As Jean-Jacques Rousseau wrote:

    ‘We have physicists, geometricians, chemists, astronomers, musicians and painters in plenty, but we no longer have a citizen among us.’

    Good piece here @

    http://medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2014/764-eeny-meeny.html

  75. doug scorgie

    12 May, 2014 - 7:06 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 11:48 am

    “A respectable continental newspaper reports as follows (my translation):”

    Which respectable continental newspaper Habbabkuk?

    This is not the first time you mentioned “a respectable newspaper” and failed to give a link to it. I think the last one was a French paper.

    You didn’t link to that paper and you again translated it yourself.

    We don’t need you to translate anything Habbabkuk; just give us the link.

    I for one don’t trust the veracity of your postings, as your poor record in dealing with facts indicates.

    However, if what you say is genuine you could provide the link.

  76. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 7:20 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “If he has committed fraud he should be back behind bars.

    Don’t you agree Habbabkuk?”
    ______________

    I do indeed, Doug. The operative word being “if”.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Well Habbabkuk, I just wondered why, with his history of criminality, the police were not asked to investigate.”
    ______________

    Keep wondering, Doug, and come back to us once you’ve found the answer. With links, of course! :)

  77. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 7:25 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “However, if what you say is genuine you could provide the link.”
    ___________________

    You’ll just have to take my word for it, I’m afraid.

    What do you think about Messrs Rogozine’s and Jirinovsky’s utterances? Do you agree with them? I’ll let you speak for yourself, of course.

  78. doug scorgie

    12 May, 2014 - 7:29 pm

    Regime change in Venezuela still on US agenda?

    “Venezuelan Policeman Killed by Sniper While Clearing Protest Barricade in Caracas”
    May 9th

    “Yesterday at noon, Rafael Celestino Albino Arteaga, 44, Vargas state chief of the Venezuelan Bolivarian Intelligence Service (SEBIN), was shot dead by an unidentified male assailant in a shopping mall in the western city of Maracay.”

    “This marks the second murder of a Venezuelan intelligence officer in recent weeks, the first being Eliecer Otaiza…”
    May 11th

  79. doug scorgie

    12 May, 2014 - 7:38 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 7:25 pm

    “You’ll just have to take my word for it, I’m afraid.”

    I can’t do that Habbabkuk because you have a history of disingenuous posts.

    “What do you think about Messrs Rogoziane’s and Jirinovsky’s utterances?”

    I can’t say Habbabkuk because you haven’t provided a link to that respectable newspaper.

    Is what you said genuine or did you make it up? No-one can be sure with you Habbabkuk.

    A link might help clear your name.

  80. ” Putin is not their fault.”

    What you trying say here? That Putin is somehow more of a war criminal that, say, David Cameron of Tripoli, or Barak Obama of Odessa?

    Seems to me Putin is among the more sane national leaders, which is fortunate, since otherwise the US would already succeeded in using Nulandistan to ignite a world war.

  81. from the venerable schoolmaster, usually heard berating others for their mistakes, an easy score for him.

    Maybe he would like to use this opportunity to castigate/castrate himself for a change.

    “When the Austrian victory was announced, the Russian vice-premier Dmitri Rogozine confirmed on Twitter his poor opinion of Conchita Wurts’ appearance on the show by opining that the result of the Eurovision contest “has given the supporters of European integration a glimpse if what awaits them if they join Europe, ie., a bearded girl”.

    So you think that Dmitri twittered ‘ Wurts’ and not Wurst,the correct term for sausage, did you?
    You have to show us that he made this mistakes and not you, otherwise you’d look a right charlie, would you not, dear?

  82. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 8:26 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Is what you said genuine or did you make it up? No-one can be sure with you Habbabkuk.”
    __________________

    The record of the current Russian govt, as well as that of other left-fascists like Mr Jirinovsky, is such that I don’t need to make anything up, Doug; their words are well documented and their opinions well known.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ““What do you think about Messrs Rogoziane’s and Jirinovsky’s utterances?”

    I can’t say Habbabkuk because you haven’t provided a link to that respectable newspaper.”

    __________________

    You’re being evasive, because you were invited to say what you thought about their sentiments. Could you explain how not having the link prevents you from letting us know whether or not you approve of those sentiments?

    Failure to give us your opinion would lead to one of the following two conclusions:

    1/. You agree with the sentiments expressed by Messrs Rogozine and Jirinovsky

    or

    2/. You disagree but, for some reason why can only guess at, do not wish to say so.

    Your choice, Doug.

  83. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 8:32 pm

    Nevermind

    “So you think that Dmitri twittered ‘ Wurts’ and not Wurst,the correct term for sausage, did you?
    You have to show us that he made this mistakes and not you, otherwise you’d look a right charlie, would you not, dear?”
    __________________

    Actually, the whole newspaper article (including the bit I quoted) gave the singer’s surname as “Wurts”.

  84. Scouse Billy

    12 May, 2014 - 8:46 pm

    ConSpeccy, re.”Putin is not their fault”

    I was wondering too what our host meant.

    Here, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts – former US Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy – gives a detailed analysis of the crisis in Ukraine, and an assessment of the Western propaganda war being waged against Russia.

    Setting the discussion in the context of decades of US imperialism, and identifying the current crisis as largely agitated by Washington through its NGOs, Dr. Roberts reveals how Ukraine fits into the neocon game plan for world hegemony. But, as he explains, this insane goal for a nuclear “checkmate” by Washington against its geopolitical opponents on The Grand Chess Board is reckless in the extreme; for just like WWI, it could spiral out of control, but unlike WWI, it could lead to Armageddon.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k11v8WOVT2U

  85. Prediction of next years winners harmonious farting lesbians?

    OK Guff over…
    Craig may I ask you to read this.
    Huseyin Celil, Serving Life Sentence In China, ‘Forgotten’ By Canada, Says His Wife
    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/07/05/huseyin-celil-china-life-sentence-uighur-minority_n_1650283.html

  86. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    12 May, 2014 - 10:10 pm

    “Prediction of next years winners harmonious farting lesbians?”

    From your mouth to Craig’s ears. I think you’ve just titled his next post.

  87. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 11:39 pm

    Scouse Billy

    It’s interesting to see how a number of commenters on this blog never fail to attempt to give credence to Dr Roberts’ pronouncements by reminding us that he is a ” former US Assistant Secretary of the Treasury”.

    May I point out that Dr Roberts was an AS for all of 11 months over 30 years ago and that there were (and still are) around 11 ASs at the US Treasury? Moreover, there are some hundreds of thousands of PhDs in the United States.

    It is clear to anyone who follows him on Counterpunch and on other fora that the man is a hayseed and is not to be taken seriously.

  88. Habbacack – you are entitled to your(?) opinion.

    All you managed there was an ad hominem and a qualification to my correct representation of him.

    I don’t normally engage trolls especially bottom of the barrel species but I am making an exception just this once.

    Here’s another respected geo-political analyst, William Engdahl with a very similar take on the Ukraine situation:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiBdbm_B9jg

  89. re.”Putin is not their fault”

    I was wondering too what our host meant.

    Here’s the source of the mindset, probably:

    The World According to TIME Magazine

  90. @Scouse Billy: That guy really understands his history!

    I’ve been digging around Wikipedia gathering information on Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, but William fills in the gaps and puts it all in context. Can’t repeat the YouTube URL but highly recommended.

    Why wasn’t NATO abandoned after the collapse of the Soviet Union?

  91. Scouse Billy

    13 May, 2014 - 1:01 am

    ConSpeccy, indeed, although there are many neo-con mouthpieces or gobshites in my vernacular.

    This is a very different mind set – whether or not there are any dots to connect is, as yet, unclear:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f7wOxw4fQI

    😉

  92. Scouse Billy

    13 May, 2014 - 1:12 am

    Peacewisher, yes Engdahl is one of the good guys – his exposee of Monsanto, Seeds of Destruction cooked the GMO goose to a fair extent in China.

    See above link (reply to ConSpeccy) if you’re into Joseph P Farrell’s work – recent interview with Catherine Austin Fitts

  93. Eurovision, originally conceived as a means of unifying a war-torn Europe, was arguably the most visible symbol of European unity prior to the European Union. In keeping with political trends, the former Eastern bloc countries were invited to join the contest shortly after the breakup of the Soviet Union.

    In 2012, Turkey surprised Israel by sending Can Bonomo, a Jewish singer to represent 99.7% Muslim nation.

    http://rehmat1.com/2012/01/21/jew-singer-represents-turkey-at-2012-eurovision-song-contest/

  94. FROM Prof Michael Hudson;
    Finance in today’s world has become war by non-military means. Its object is the same as that of military conquest: appropriation of land and basic infrastructure, and the rents that can be extracted as tribute. In today’s world this is taken mainly in the form of debt service and privatization. That is how neoliberalism works, subduing economies by indebting their governments and using unpayably high debts as a lever to pry away the public domain at distress prices. It is what today’s New Cold War is all about. Backed by the IMF and European Central Bank (ECB) as knee-breakers in what has become in effect a financial extension of NATO, the aim is for U.S. and allied investors to appropriate the plums that kleptocrats have taken from the public domain of Russia, Ukraine and other post-Soviet economies in these countries, as well as whatever assets remain.

    In a recent interview in The New York Review of Books, George Soros outlines what he thinks should be done for the Ukraine. It should “encourage its companies to improve their management by finding European partners.”[2]

    This means that kleptocrats should sell major ownership shares in their companies to Westerners. This would give the West a stake in protecting them, pressuring their government to tax labor rather than the wealthy, and helping them cash out and keep their takings in London and New York to finance Western economies, not that of Ukraine.
    http://michael-hudson.com/2014/05/the-new-cold-wars-ukraine-gambit/

  95. “It was a joyful expression of approval for the idea that human beings can and should be what they want to be. ”

    That is slave mentality, how someone from being an innocent child becomes someone portraying themselves in that way reflects society’s present inane situation.

    As man once said ” it’s all bullshit”

  96. Ba'al Zevul (Oh My Ears And Whiskers)

    13 May, 2014 - 9:13 am

    @ Jay -(Re: “It was a joyful expression of approval for the idea that human beings can and should be what they want to be. ”)

    What you said. Also it rather discounts the practical outcome of one lot of humans wanting to be (say)evangelical Protestants alongside another lot wanting to be (say) doctrinaire Catholics, while each party wants to fulfil itself by converting the other. Or humans who want to be career serial killers…

    More. It’s a tangible expression of infantilisation. Which, from the dumbed-down weather forecast to the babyish shellsuit and the McDonald’s cult of instant gratification, to say nothing of the increased prevalence of men weeping in public, is an intentional means of preventing people thinking for themselves.

    Maybe when we have dealt with needs we can allow ourselves to deal with wants?

  97. I agree Craig, I have never before heard an act being booed, and it was indeed shocking.

    Look on the bright side. After Scottish independence, I imagine Scotland would have to qualify for the finals. ENWI, of course, would retain their “permanent seat” therefore continuing to receive their “veto”… no points. (Only a joke folks).

    I do not believe it would change the audience share of British viewers though. As you are right. There is something compulsive about this intriguing spectacle.

  98. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 8:26 pm

    [to me] “You’re being evasive…”

    From your original post Habbabkuk on 12 May, 2014 – 11:48 am you said:

    “A respectable continental newspaper reports as follows (my translation)…”

    I asked you to provide a link to that newspaper so I could check for myself but you have refused to provide that link or even the title of the newspaper.

    I accept that what the two Russians said is widely reported but; which “respectable continental newspaper” were you quoting from?

  99. Eurovision Gay Wedding?Who cares what flavour they are?A musician friend of mine once said that the only way to get on in music business is the gay way. Without wishing to sound homophobic,it all smacks of just another chapter in social engineering.There always has been and will be gay peoples but to have it pushed down our throats at every turn is beginning to drive me insane.The Moscow Olympics became the focus of the Gay movement,the hard sell gay’s better than being closet heterosexual.But the Arab dictatorships can carry on punishing their gay peoples.No desert song contest for them.

  100. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 11:33 am

    Mr Scorgie

    “I asked you to provide a link to that newspaper so I could check for myself”
    _____________________

    What is it you need to “check”?

    Obviously not the fact that they said what they did, because you yourself have said that you “accept that what the two Russians said is widely reported”.

    Is it my translation you wish to check?

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