There is a stunning contrast between the access given by the UK to the Israeli Embassy to influence prosecutions of anti-Genocide journalists and protestors, and the repudiation by the UK of United Nations querying such prosecutions. The UK has rebuked the UN for “outside interference”.
I cannot state enough how unusual it is for the UK to give direct access to the Israeli Embassy to the Police and the Crown Prosecution Service, in order for the Israeli government to influence the prosecution of UK citizens. This is not about extradition, in which case there may be treaty arrangements for direct contact between prosecutors. It is just not normal nor right for an Embassy to be involved with domestic prosecutions in this way.
This is one of a series of heavily redacted emails seen by the Guardian, Middle East Eye and lawyers for Palestine Action. They show the Israeli government being granted direct influence with UK police and prosecutors, to urge the prosecution of UK citizens protesting in the UK, against a genocide for which Israel stands accused at the International Court of Justice, with her leaders indicted before the International Criminal Court.
There is no British precedent for this situation and it is very much against international practice, although comparators may be found in influencing prosecution decisions in Vichy France or the Eastern European communist bloc by Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union – though there were instances of pushback even there. By contrast the UK system is openly influenced by the Israelis.
There is no reticence from the UK government in forwarding Israel influence. Although all released correspondence has been heavily redacted, it is plain that individual cases have been discussed with the Israelis, including those of Palestine Action.
The United Nations has written to the UK on the subject of its treatment both of pro-Palestinian protestors and journalists and the abuse of anti-terrorism legislation. It is almost certain that some of the same cases the UN cites are those the Israeli Embassy has been involved in. The contrast between the UK’s treatment of the Israelis and of the United Nations could scarcely be different. The Israelis are invited in, while the Starmer regime has repudiated the United Nations.
This is stunning hypocrisy. It is characterised as being in the interest of those being persecuted by the UK and Israel, to prevent “interference from international organisations” such as the United Nations. This is beyond the pen of Orwell or Kafka. You can imagine the authors sniggering as they wrote it.
But the truth is the exact opposite of the UK government line. Unlike the Israeli Embassy, the United Nations really does have a right to interfere. The Special Procedures mechanisms by which the United Nations approached the UK are a well-established part of international law, and the UK is a party to them. These are instituted by the Human Rights Council, and it has always been the position of the UK that all nations are subject to them.
In addition the UK is since 1971 a full party to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which is monitored by the Human Rights Committee and to the provisions of which the UN Special Rapporteurs specifically referred in querying the UK’s actions in this matter.
So the Israel Embassy has no right to interfere, and the United Nations has a direct right to interfere; yet the UK has encouraged the illegitimate while repudiating the legitimate. This is a classic example of the way that Zionism has fundamentally poisoned public institutions in the UK, and also of the profound Zionist capture of New Labour.
Yesterday’s revelation that David Lammy has lied to parliament and the country about suspending trade talks with Israel, while UK “trade envoy” Lord Austin is actually there, should be no surprise.
The hypocrisy does not even end there. The UK has been the most vociferous of countries in weaponising the UN Special Procedures against its own designated enemies, such as Russia and China. For the UK now to repudiate these UN investigations as “interference” is precisely to adopt the position of those states it has long argued against.
I have no doubt that this has been duly noted by any dictatorship the UK may seek to criticise in future.
You will recall that I am among a number of journalists about whose detention under the Terrorism Act and the seizure of whose electronic equipment, and thus correspondence, the United Nations interrogate the UK. You can read the UK government reply in full here.
Since the UN wrote, there have been further high-profile arrests of journalists, including Sarah Wilkinson and Asa Winstanley. The basic UK response is that the UN should not interfere, but one point of detail the UK states is particularly worth noting. Detentions and confiscations such as mine under the Terrorism Act specifically do not require the police to have any “reasonable grounds of suspicion”.
What kind of state makes a point of empowering its police to act unreasonably?
But read this further from the UK government reply:
I was detained and my electronics seized under Section 7. That means the UK government is claiming that I was “concerned in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism”. Just digest that for a moment.
I might say that nothing in my questioning – which was roughly equally split between the subjects of Wikileaks and Palestine – related in any way to the potential commission of any acts of terrorism. Is the government really pretending that, in travelling home from an Assange campaign meeting in Iceland, they truly suspected I was preparing to commit terrorism? This is ludicrous.
It has often been noticed that despite Sarah Wilkinson, Asa Winstanley, Richard Medhurst, Johanna Ross, John Laughland, Vanessa Beeley, Kit Klarenberg, Ernest Moret, Richard Barnard, Tony Greenstein and Natalie Strecker all being swept up under the Terrorism Act in a campaign against journalists this last two years, there has never been a single mention in UK mainstream media of the UK’s arrest of journalists under the Terrorism Act.
Even following the United Nations intervention to question the UK on the arrest of journalists the UK did not mention it. Even the UK’s tiny number of licensed anti-genocide voices in the mainstream media, such as Owen Jones, have never mentioned it.
Yesterday Asa Winstanley won an important legal victory at the Old Bailey where a senior judge ruled that the police raid on his home and seizure of his equipment was unlawful. That is an important and rare legal victory, and I am tempted to attribute it partly to the turning of the tide of Establishment opinion against sacrificing all principles of law to the interests of Israel.
You may perhaps not be surprised to learn that this victory, too, has not been covered by the mainstream media. This conspiracy of silence over extreme abuse of police power against journalists is deeply troubling.
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When I look at Craig Murray I see the antithesis of terrorism, an elderly, highly intelligent, highly educated, softly spoken, super articulate gentleman, in a woolly jumper. The idea he is involved in terrorism is frankly preposterous.
So this makes the UK police look dreadful, like jackbooted thugs in leather trench coats coming to get dissenters in the middle of the night. Just the same really in less dramatic black clothing. Squint your eyes and they are indistinguishable.
When they detained you (and all the other journalists) under terrorism legislation Craig I knew the UK had lurched into totalitarianism, a police state. Add this into the jailing of thousands of people for social media posts it is pretty clear they are going after free speech.
As for this article, I am not at all surprised, I think some are starting to realize that it is not just Palestine that has been occupied. I have been saying for some time that what is happening in the middle east is a lens. It is showing us reality and it is horrific what we have been turned into. Britain like the US has been totally captured. Looking back Corbyn was the canary in the mine folks.
Britain is in a really bad way right now, it is genuinely frightening.
I’m not sure a dozen unidentified men in head to foot, black, helmeted, riot gear, smashing down doors in the wee small hours to kidnap journalists is an improvement on full length leather trench coats
Steady on the ‘elderly’ bit there, Mac! Not sure CM would like that!
I thinks it’s time to go back to where it all began: in the UK Labour Party ‘witch hunt’ against anti semitism when the peace and justice leader was seen as an enemy to the Zionist war machine
https://witchhuntfilm.org/
The Zionist war machine has been allowed to operate in Britain since 1948 and we can push that date further back with some qualifications. See the “MPs’ expenses scandal” for an interesting one. That was also about tightening a grip and assistance was whipped up with reference to another Gaza massacre. (No “journalists” covered what it was really about. Sometimes it seems as though the entire British press is “tabloid”.)
I respect J Corbyn up to a degree and he is obviously on the right side, but he was always compromised and wearing a self-imposed gag around half his mouth, purely by being committed to the parliamentary road.
Seriously – MPs are on the take. Well cor blimey, guvna, strike a light, who’d have guessed it? In almost every other country in the world, many would have asked who’s bringing so many MPs down, why, what’s it related to, and who is John Bercow.
But in Britain, the chorus was one of oh look, some MPs have charged for getting a conservatory built or hotel stays when they had residences just around the corner.
Small typo, “the UK should not interfere” should be “the UN should not interfere”.
Excellent news about Asa Winstanley, and perhaps the UK’s argument about someone appearing to be involved in terrorism should be tested in court at some point, so that travellers might be protected from illegal harassment.
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”Excellent news about Asa Winstanley, and perhaps the UK’s argument about someone appearing to be involved in terrorism should be tested in court at some point, so that travellers might be protected from illegal harassment.”
The right to silence and the right to have legal representation are well enshrined in the minds of UK citizenry, so I doubt that a case would ever be brought before a court to test these rights being suspended under the Terrorism Act. For this Terrorism Act grants more rights to a career criminal charged inside a police station than it does to a UK citizen with no criminal record being apprehended on arrival at a port or airport.
I don’t discount however the law being ‘tested’ before a Special Court of judges/legal experts devised for that very purpose. If Keir Starmer’s days as PM are indeed numbered, he might well still have important work to undertake.
Only with the ongoing genocide in Gaza, we finally see just how tight a grip the Zionists have on the West, and possibly further afield – consecutive British governments are defending the indefensible – a genocide in Gaza.
As for the police using the terrorism to haul journalist in and question them, and seize their equipment – I say that they are using these laws just to apprehend journalist – and force them to answer questions mainly on who they know, such as, contacts and groups to further widen their net of knowledge – that info can then be passed onto Tel Aviv, for me it has absolutely nothing to do with terrorism – that’s the hook to arrest you that they use.
Of course the seizing of phones and laptops etc, causes certain journalists difficulty – and disrupts their ability to pursue the truth.
“… for me it has absolutely nothing to do with terrorism…”
I understand what you mean. But it has everything to do with terrorism – that of the Israeli and UK states. For a small sample of the Israeli state’s terrorism, I suggest “Rise and Kill First: The Secret History of Israel’s Targeted Assassinations” by Ronen Bergman. There are dozens of other good sources.
The terrorists are using “anti-terrorism” laws to prevent knowledge of their terrorist acts from leaking out.
As the first commentator says this is genuinely frightening.
The BBC actually did actually report Ernest Moret’s arrest:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66273327
It was very good news to hear that Asa Winstanley had won his case against the security services/police. As you set out in your article Craig, he wasn’t the only one. The way you were treated was disgraceful. The silence of our mainstream media is chilling. Run by oligarchs and mega corporations who care little for truth but love money and power. How do the people who became journalists feel when they collude with the current madness? They must know that by being craven they demean their profession and deserve the scathing term ‘churnalists’ – because that is what they do, churn out pap and crap for their masters.
It is a massive problem for our age: finding out the truth. The list of names in your article are shining beacons – those who tell truth to power are sadly rare in our ‘bread and circuses’ era and you are one of the beacons Craig.
With respect, Stuart, I suggest “Run by oligarchs and mega corporations who care nothing for truth but love money and power”.
Truth does not appear in their business model. Why should it? They get paid for saying whatever they are paid to say.
“How do the people who became journalists feel when they collude with the current madness?”
It doesn’t bother them one bit.
Little attention was paid either to the interference by the UK’s Crown Prosecution Office – then headed by Keir Starmer – in the Swedish investigation into Julian Assange’s alleged sex offences. A CPS lawyer wrote “Don’t you dare get cold feet!!!” to Starmer’s then counterpart, the Swedish director of public prosecutions.
Interference in the affairs of other countries is allowed anywhere in the world as long as the people doing the interfering are on ‘the right side’.
I believe the CPS lawyer you mention was, in fact, Sir Keir Starmer himself.
It’s only when people will be able to openly recognise and discuss the threat that this current mutation of zionism is to the civil and political structures of Europe and America that it will be possible to reject it. It is, of course, virtually impossible, by design, to even point it out, staring us in the face thought it is. It has warped nearly every corner of social and civil life and discourse. If you need any evidence for this, just consider how we can have been witnessing, for over 18 months, the live extermination of an entire people, their homes and any means of survival. This is a holocaust for Palestinians, there is no point in pussyfooting around what is happening, it needs to be said, and loudly.
The fact that no mainstream outlet will even contemplate it, examine it, condemn it or report accurately on it is a savage indictment on the society we now inhabit, and even worse, the harassment and jailing of people who do speak up is a direct consequence of the infiltration of zionism into every crevice of our institutions. It is utterly shameful. The darkest irony is that crying ‘antisemitism’ when people do point it out is akin to claiming that this continuous massacre, the burning of babies, shooting children in their beds, bombing electrical power units for incubators is therefore some kind of inherent Jewish characteristic. Well, they are saying it, not me. I don’t believe it has anything to do with whatever social or cultural group you claim to belong to. Why should we be subjected to such inane, horrifying, despicably inhumane arguments and restrictions imposed on us by a shadow thought police?
We used to have an, albeit imperfect, liberal idea of tolerance, free speech and humane ethics. Zionism is only one of the forces extinguishing that idea, but is in the vanguard. When the criminal mass murderer Netanyahu speaks about representing ‘civilisation’ I feel sick, but maybe this is what the term means now – mass slaughter on an unprecedented scale.
Al Jazeera continues to cover it, despite a number of its people having been murdered by Israel, undoubtedly deliberately:
https://www.aljazeera.com/tag/israel-palestine-conflict/
It’s surprising how many people volunteer how disgusting and untrustworthy the BBC has become, entirely unprompted, these days. And how little disagreement they get from those around them, when they do express such feelings.
“maybe this is what the term means now – mass slaughter on an unprecedented scale.”
The history of the spread of European “civilisation” round the world shows that is what it has always meant.
No it hasn’t.
Evidence, please, Ian.
@Ian – I share your humanitarianism, so no snarky comments from me. But you are mistaken. The spread of European “civilisation” was always about thieving and murdering on a very large scale – destruction, looting, slavery, exploitation, imposed degradation, and “whatever worked” for a ruthless, amoral, militaristic, exploitative elite. The “civilisation” wouldn’t have been much different if its culture (which mostly referred to Ancient Greece – young boys! – and Rome – grapes!) told it to nail partly de-fleshed skulls around the entrances to all its palaces, churches, clubrooms, and whorehouses. In short, they are death.
Seriously they can shove their TV sets, smartphones, and other mass culture up their arses, along with their highly civilised culture of knowing which way to pass the port, and whatever other two-faced muck they call “civilisation”. Did you know that the German Nazis who loved the English elite boarding schools so much thought they went a bit too far with the authoritarianism?
Which continents would you point to to argue that the said “civilisation” used to have merits? I don’t want to put words into your mouth, but you seem to think there was a period when they didn’t speak with forked tongues, when their patricianism came with true love maybe??
The meaning of the phrase “ruling scum” might be more relevant a question than the meaning of the said scum’s favourite words, which used to include “civilisation” and at the time of writing still include “science”.
Can you start with giving a rough time (century?) and place (continent?) and some examples of when you think European “civilisation” meant something humanitarian?
What do ‘we’ mean by civilisation ?
Our political systems;
Asset stripping of resources to support the homeland;
Tie in of our monetary systems;
Fighting in our wars;
Missionaries.
As South America, Africa, India, China and others know, if you don’t accept civilisation you will be killed.
No, that’what you think, not what ‘we’ have to think. Thankyou for your suggestion.
No argument, no credibility.
And yours is what? a snarky comment. Great insight there.
People are trying to engage with you, Ian.
Peter Oborne, former chief political correspondent at the Telegraph and Spectator, has written a book detailing Britain’s complicity in the Gaza Genocide.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DKKYNSMC9kW/
Hopefully the net will eventually close on them.
Herein lies the root problem in human society, ever since settlements of more than a few hundred people at the dawn of the agricultural age…
It’s not possible for any but a few to ‘see for themselves’ what is or isn’t happening – we became a species reliant on *mass media* as knowledge & information intermediaries… & that’s where it all went wrong & still is today.
There’s one policy we all need to adopt, setting aside others to achieve it, in order to open the democratic path for all the other issues we care about to be resolved.
The rich elite class control all the mass media which ‘informs’ our votes.
No surprise nothing changes -except to get worse as their propaganda grip tightens.
We don’t have to put up with this any longer. We can easily create a different structure for mass media…
There should only be two models for mass media businesses – either a private/commercial controlled sector, or a sector under direct citizens’ control. (IE no Gov appointee run sector at all – BBC Depts. could choose one or the other – no more Gov appointee run ‘public’ interest media fakes.).
Mass media in Western societies is near all owned & delivered by a small group of wealthy elites, & significantly funded via advertising for a handful of large Corporations.
But we can also create a system where citizens control a similar size sector of the media directly, through non-profit media Commons/Common Ownership structured publishers/providers, which exclude all private capital & revenue income. (Instead, they are controlled by members with equal voting rights, like Worker Co-ops or Community Businesses.)
In this sector, their only permitted income comes from our currency issuer Govs (at zero cost), but not directly. Instead of Gov directing which Commons Media enterprises get grant funding, citizens equally direct the funds via an annual voucher system, to sponsor their preferred Commons media providers.
This simple system ensures full democratic participation in a sector of mass media & the political discourse which elevates politics to power. There is no good reason not to do it.
Re: ‘I was detained and my electronics seized under Section 7. That means the UK government is claiming that I was “concerned in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism”.’
The fact that our host was detained at Glasgow airport doesn’t mean that the government are claiming that he has been concerned in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism because Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000 specifically states that police officers can question individuals at ports of entry whether or not they have grounds for suspecting them to be concerned in terrorism.
However, like Kneecap’s* Liam Ó hAnnaidh, they do have grounds for charging him under Section 12 of the above act for his daft tweet (which I note he still hasn’t deleted) in which he plainly expressed support for the proscribed Hamas & Hezbollah. Taking as a reference the punishment meted out to Anjem Choudary a few years ago for a similar offence, that could easily land him with an *eight-year plus* sentence. The security services might not be paying as much attention to this blog as they used to but, if I were him, I still wouldn’t be bringing stuff like this up in case it gives them and/or their Israeli counterparts a reminder.
* As I mentioned in the previous comments section, Kneecap have also directly incited their audience to murder their local MPs, but don’t seem to have got in any trouble for that.
It is beyond absurd for the UK government to presume to “proscribe” Hamas and Hezbollah. For a start they are organisations of foreign citizens operating in foreign countries over which the UK has had no jurisdiction since the UK government decided to abandon its Palestine mandate in 1948.
Hamas is the Gazans’ only government, and as such is entitled to all the protections and courtesies enjoyed by all governments. Hezbollah is, to say the least, the only organisation effectively protecting the citizens of Lebanon from foreign invasion and murder.
How would members of the UK government and armed forces like it if one or more foreign governments “proscribed” them as notorious terrorists and willing helpers of genocide?
”It is beyond absurd for the UK government to presume to “proscribe” Hamas and Hezbollah.”
Yes, and not just for the reasons you have given. I am not aware of any Hamas attack on British soil (although no doubt someone will claim that is due to their being proscribed!)
The IRA were not outlawed in Britain until 1974 when they began focusing their bombing campaign on the UK mainland; when they had previously confined their activities to Northern Ireland (which was part of the UK) they were not proscribed. Whatever, there was certainly a clear case for designating them a threat to national security. This does apply to Hamas in the UK as of now.
Therefore the point of proscribing these Palestinian organisations can only be to stifle debate on the whole history of Israeli occupation.
Proscribe. HTS. Say no more !
Proscribed = Antisemitism. ie. A tool to use against our enemies.
Thanks for your reply Tom. Of course it’s absurd – especially when you consider that Sinn Fein, the political wing of an organisation which killed over 1700 UK citizens (including three MPs) and twice tried to assassinate the entire cabinet, was never proscribed, and could even stand candidates in elections. However, the law is the law, and falling foul of it can get you in serious trouble. I’m not sure how effectively Hezbollah are protecting the citizens of Lebanon from foreign invasion, but I suppose it’s better than nothing. The UK government and armed forces probably wouldn’t like being proscribed as terrorists/genocide enablers by foreign governments but, if Dominic Cummings latest Substack is broadly correct, they’ve got far bigger things to worry about.
Please link to it Re-lapsed Agnostic. Are you referencing his stuff about Bismarck and how we should learn from that history?
Thanks for your reply ET. Here’s the link (it should be free to read):
https://dominiccummings.substack.com/p/people-ideas-machines-xii-theories
He does quote Bismarck, but I was more interested in reading about senior police officers’/the security services’ views of last year’s riots etc. According to Dom, they’re quite worried – and probably rightly so. To quote the renowned polemologist Mark E Smith: “Two million riled young men can go up against any army. Any army.”
For anyone who can’t be arsed reading all Dom’s stuff, here’s a synopsis:
https://x.com/admcollingwood/status/1927814118070964316
Contrary to the general trend on these forums I agree a lot of the time with DC. Not all the time though. He lacks empathy. He is consumed with winning any engagement for Britain. His motivation is questionable despite his insight. Is that your mindset?
Insight !
It’s good that his eyesight is okay, funny what a drive around can sort.
Thanks for your reply ET. Dom is hardly unique amongst the political class in lacking empathy though, probably as a result of being somewhat ‘on the spectrum’, he’s slightly less able to disguise it. He actually wants Britain to participate in as few foreign engagements as possible, hence his motto: Peace abroad, regime change at home. His vision for the UK is as a technology-led free-trading powerhouse, similar to Singapore or Taiwan. That’s something I can largely get behind, though it will take a huge effort to remodel Britain’s adamantine layers of governance. Dom had his big chance, but he messed up with Covid. I give him 5/10 for that – though it’s worth noting that hundreds of thousands of Brits still owe him their lives. However, had he been paying more attention, he could have got a 9 or 10, been generally viewed as a genius, and thus been given more or less free rein to do his thing under Boris.
Enjoy the weekend.
“https://dominiccummings.substack.com/p/people-ideas-machines-xii-theories”
He makes an interesting point about immigration, that it is not, as I thought, mainly a way to replace those workers that were not born twenty years ago or to recruit instead of train skilled labour as industry has been doing for years, but far more a crude political tool to divert attention from the governing classes’ own failures.
‘Relapsed Agnostic:
What you are saying in effect is that no matter how ridiculous or authoritarian the governments proclamations and actions are, they should be obeyed without quibble or objection. This is a recipe for the acceptance of Fascism. I imagine that’s OK with you, but not for people with a moral code.
Fascism is already here and we’ve accepted it. We’ve always been OK with fascism.
Quite unbelievable. The only way they could shoe-horn the treatment of journalists into the category of being “concerned in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism” is if the definition of ‘terrorism’ itself is is being itself rather tortured.
Under S1 of the Terrorism Act 2000…. (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/section/1/2009-02-16)
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(1)In this Act “terrorism” means the use or threat of action where—
(a)the action falls within subsection (2),
(b)the use or threat is designed to influence the government [F1or an international governmental organisation] or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and
(c)the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious [F2, racial] or ideological cause.
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Subsection 2 concerns actual violence, the threat thereof, or …is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system. . That part about the “electronic system” seems ludicrously vague, and allows a great deal to be applied under the rest of subsection 1.
Subsection 5 is the one most open to whatever interpretation the authorities might like it to mean:
(5)In this Act a reference to action taken for the purposes of terrorism includes a reference to action taken for the benefit of a proscribed organisation.
A ‘proscribed organisation’ might not have any direct dealings with an individual or even be aware of their existence. But some form of behavour could – somehow, possibly, maybe – be taken as benefiting such a ‘proscribed organisation’ in any way whatsoever, then that individual has now become a bona fide terrorist in the view of the law.
No need to go to all the trouble of throwing bombs around or anything like that. Just say “What Israel is doing to Palestine is evil”, for example, and imagine that would put a smile on the face of a Hamas official for a brief instant. That’s good enough to be considered as having benefited such an organisation, and have someone saying something like that arrested, and fully searched and interrogated even if they’re not prosecuted. Right?
The act is discriminatory because it is not aimed at universally proscribing terrorism as described by the act but only selectively to entities that are designated as terrorist by the government. This is a political decision and not an absolute one. Moreover the ongoing open dialogue between western governments and the new Syrian jihadist led government makes a mockery of this law and how it is selectively used. Is there no constitutional or human rights lawyer who can raise this point as laws should apply universally to all and not discriminate against any group for political reasons?
More proof, if needed, that the UK is one nation under ZOG.
Until the zionists are flushed out of each and every area of government and the media and their evil influence is countered we must consider our country conquered and controlled. Everyone is required to do the goy grovel.
“I was detained and my electronics seized under Section 7. That means the UK government is claiming that I was “concerned in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism”. Just digest that for a moment”.
As I may have mentioned before, it is clear that the UK government’s definition of “terrorism” is anything that inconveniences or embarrasses the UK government. For instance any attempt to investigate its actions.
And now for the US ambassador to France. I cannot confirm if this is fake news. It seems too far fetched to be true, but from a post on FB
‘A way to say F you to France without even lifting a middle finger: the orange ass boil appointed Charles Kushner as Ambassador to France.
A felon that felon 47 pardoned in 2000. The French are not happy apparently and deservedly so.
So Trump just made Charles Kushner – father of his son-in-law Jared – the US Ambassador to France. The Senate confirmed him on May 19 with a 51-45 vote. Only one Democrat supported him – a very weird heel turn by Cory Booker. If you think people are upset just because the man is Jared Kushner’s father – have I got a fun story for you! ☕️☕️☕️NEW
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that this guy once hired a sex worker to seduce his brother-in-law – then secretly filmed it and sent the tape to his own sister. No – I’m not making this up. Let’s rewind. Back in 2003 – our new diplomatic representative to one of America’s oldest allies was under investigation for tax evasion and illegal campaign contributions. His brother-in-law and sister were cooperating with federal prosecutors. Kushner didn’t appreciate this family disloyalty. So what did this paragon of diplomatic restraint do? He devised a honey trap that would make even the sleaziest spy novelist cringe. Kushner personally recruited a sex worker – paid her between $7,000-$10,000 – had her seduce his brother-in-law William Schulder at a New Jersey motel – and filmed the entire encounter with hidden cameras.NEW
Then – in a move that screams “ready for sensitive international diplomacy” – he mailed the tape to his own sister. The package was timed to arrive right before a family party. Subtle. This brilliant scheme backfired spectacularly. Instead of being intimidated – his sister took the tape straight to the FBI. Kushner was eventually charged with 18 counts – including witness tampering – tax evasion – and making illegal campaign contributions. Chris Christie – who prosecuted the case as US Attorney in New Jersey – called it “one of the most loathsome – disgusting crimes” he’d ever prosecuted. Kushner served 14 months in federal prison.
But wait – there’s more. Kushner was pardoned by trump in December 2020 during his final days in office. And now he’s representing American interests in France. At his confirmation hearing earlier this month – Kushner acknowledged he’d made “a very – very – very serious mistake” and claimed his past would actually make him “more qualified” for the ambassador job. Because nothing says “qualified diplomat” like vengeful blackmail schemes involving sex workers. The French aren’t exactly thrilled either. When trump announced the nomination back in November – former French ambassador to Washington Gérard Araud commented: “I recommend reading his résumé. ‘Juicy,’ as the Americans would say. Needless to say – he doesn’t have the slightest knowledge of our country.” This appointment clearly showcases the administration’s commitment to selecting only the most ethically sound individuals to represent America abroad. I mean – who needs actual diplomatic experience when you have a talent for elaborate revenge plots? The entire Kushner saga reveals the dark reality of power and privilege in American politics. Commit reprehensible crimes – have the right connections – and you might just end up with a prestigious diplomatic post representing 330 million Americans to one of our most important allies.
Our French friends deserve better. We deserve better. But here we are.’
Nothing fake about it. Well known on this side of the pond. Look at his bio at Wikipedia, which has strict rules about libeling living people.
Apparently the drones sent to down Putin’s helicopter got within half a kilometre of it. Can you imagine the world had those drones managed to kill him?
I am pretty sure it would be quickly WW3. Putin is the cork in the bottle at this point.
So really all of us were about 500 metres from chaos, death.
We are being set up here.
Why is there not a single western politician talking about ‘peace’. It is like the word peace is poison on their lips. FFS WHY?
Mac
May 28, 2025 at 21:41
Mac, if a HoS chooses to enter a war zone without seeking permission from the opposing force then if he dies from incoming fire, tough tits (sic).
Abraham Lincoln narrowly missed death from incoming fire during the American Civil War when the Confederates came close to Washington DC and died by assassination shortly after the Confederate surrender.
I doubt it the Nazis were concerned to avoid killing Churchill or Stalin when they attacked London and Moscow.
If Putin had died are you suggesting that his successor would have used nukes against Ukrainian forces?
A strategy that would result in Zapad land and air forces entering Ukraine.
This commentary from a Ukrainian source may help to clarify how close the little Dictator came to becoming collateral damage.
https://youtu.be/ZcKlX9x0YCs?si=hDl7X2f3tkSBMejj
“the little Dictator”
Yeah, that little gem really enhances your credibility. Better enlist for a quick course with MI5 – they’ll get you posting much more sophisticated stuff. Or maybe you just weren’t paying attention the first time?
So anyone from NATOLand yomping off Kiev for a photo-op & another spew of verbal diarrhoea is fair game then along with Zelensky etc?
Of course Bibi is also a legitimate target as is anyone involved in enabling the Gaza genocide and attacks on Yemin and many other things besides?
We want to be consistent about this, not a deliberately obtuse sh*stirrer don’t we?
“Mac, if a HoS chooses to enter a war zone without seeking permission from the opposing force then if he dies from incoming fire, tough tits (sic).”
Are you suggesting that, e.g. Churchill should have sought permission from Hitler before visiting France after the Normandy landings?
When have any leaders of belligerent states ever done that?
Anyway, you have completely missed the point as usual.
Five hundred metres! That’s just under five football pitches, talk about a close shave, he must’ve been shitting himself.
That’s sarcasm by the way.
It was part of the Russian plan to assassinate Zelensky in the early stages of the invasion but the special forces inserted into Kyiv to carry this out were quickly rounded up and “neutralised’. There have reportedly been at least ten other attempts since, the suspects for the last are currently awaiting trial. Putin really has no grounds to complain.
The worst chaos and death would be in Moscow from the infighting to replace him.
Putin talks peace but wages war.
If we needed any clue as to Putin’s intent it’s right here:-
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/leader-who-killed-6000000-of-his-own-honoured-in-new-statue/ar-AA1FF2aO
A classic example of how the US thinks that the whole world thinks like they do. Meanwhile in the real world, i.e. not the US, there are plenty of people who still think that Stalin was a great hero, most of them being Russians, who remember how he saved them from the Germans, who incidentally, killed five times that number quoted. Of course the inhabitants of the US, whose predecessors were slaughterers, rather than slaughtered, and have never been seriously invaded, would have no idea what it feels like to be in the position Russia was in in WWII.
The German invasion would’ve been far less devastating if Stalin hadn’t purged the Red Army of its best officers in 1938 because of some paranoid delusion. He also dismissed warnings from the British and his own intelligence that would’ve helped the Red Army prepare. He spent the first fortnight of Operation Barbarossa cowering in his Dacha with not a clue what to do and such was the level of fear and paranoia of his regime that none of his ‘comrades’ dared act on their own initiative.
“The German invasion would’ve been far less devastating if Stalin hadn’t purged the Red Army of its best officers in 1938 because of some paranoid delusion.”
There speaks the man who believes in the inevitability of the chaos caused by a power vacuum whenever a strong leader leaves or falls from power. Do you think that all the contenders in this chaos suddenly spring into being with the removal of the previous leader? Don’t you think that they may have been harbouring thoughts of being leader themselves from long before that event? Most regime change is brought about by the army, either the state’s or another state’s. Given that and the unscrupulous nature of the Russians that you appear to believe in, plus well-documented meddling in Russia’s affairs by other countries at the time, don’t you think Stalin had some reason to be worried about the loyalty of his senior officers?
Anyway, all that is irrelevant to the fact that Russia has been invaded twice in the last few hundred years with great loss of life and the US hasn’t. The same applies to the British, who haven’t been seriously invaded since 1066.
Now trying to justify Stalin’s purge?
So 13 of 15 army commanders (then equivalent to three-star generals), eight of nine admirals, 50 of 57 army corps commanders, 154 out of 186 division commanders, 16 of 16 army commissars, and 25 of 28 army corps commissars; in all 950,000 to 1.2 million people were murdered during the Great Purge but according to you this was justified because they posed an existential threat to one man?
Gosh five football pitches, when you put it like that it sound soooo much further. Did you use Grok to work that out, you are really clever.
Of course these drones can cover that distance in about 5 seconds but they would never dream of actually flying them would they, that would be unsporting.
Thank goodness we have you on here going from comment to comment with your penetrating and insightful comments, you are a real asset on here and I look out for your every post.
Mac
May 29, 2025 at 07:28
Mac, sarcasm is no substitute for reasoned argument.
Why are you so terrified that Putin might be killed, deliberately or otherwise?
He is a killer himself and could hardly object.
Seriously, what terrible consequences do you fear might follow from the killing of this miserable shit?
”He [Putin] is a killer himself and could hardly object.”
That would surely apply to almost every Head of State in the world? It comes with the territory. If they weren’t prepared to sanction death then they would be swiftly replaced.
What do you know about reasoned argument ?
You and your chum are like a stuck record spewing out the same old drivel constantly.
Apart from comedy value what do you think you achieve.
Stevie Boy
May 29, 2025 at 09:40
Stevie, you said “You and your chum are like a stuck record spewing out the same old drivel constantly. Apart from comedy value what do you think you achieve.”
I could repurpose that to “You are like a stuck record spewing out the same old drivel constantly. Apart from comedy value what do you think you achieve?”
Seriously some self awareness would do no harm.
There is a bit of an echo chamber here wrt Putin’s war against Ukraine.
“Why are you so terrified that Putin might be killed, deliberately or otherwise?”
Do you ever read people’s posts properly or does the red mist descend after the first couple of lines and the urge to put finger to keyboard and pontificate become too strong to resist? In a post which you replied to, Mac said “I am pretty sure it would be quickly WW3. Putin is the cork in the bottle at this point.”, yet only a few posts later you appear to have completely forgotten what you read.
The word of the day: Epistemology
Epistemology is a science, studying how people form their opinions , under what conditions will they consider the information to be a reliable fact.
Specifically, what is the basis for the assertion that the info is true and not just a false belief or faith? What led to the claim that a certain piece of info is a fact? i.e. scientific methods, experience, intuition, tradition, etc..
JK Redux
“He is a killer himself and could hardly object.”
You are probably labouring under the delusion that people like Obama, Biden, Trump, Starmer, Macron and all the rest of these so-nice western leaders don’t also have blood on their hands. So comfortable to be so innocent, but best that you try to achieve some maturity – it will help you later.
David Warriston
Why cast the net that wide at a time like this? How many of the world’s leaders have enthusiastically armed the worst crimes of our lifetimes in Gaza?
Can probably trace most/all conflicts back to the major western powers: UK, USA, France, Germany, … how many genocides have these lot caused or supported ?
Canada and Australia too.
All still arming the Gaza Genocide after a year and a half.
All solemnly vowing, Never Again.
Back of a fag packet calcualtion says 500m in 5 seconds is 1000km/h. The fastest drone (outside high-altidude surveillance drones) is the Peregreen 2, at 480.23 km/h.
So we can call bullshit on that.
Use pen and paper!
Ok let’s use your number.
Travelling at 480.23 km/h how fast in seconds would I take to fly 500m in a straight line?
Grok:
To calculate the time to fly 500 meters in a straight line at 480.23 km/h:
Convert speed to meters per second:
480.23 km/h = 480,230 meters per hour.
Divide by 3,600 (seconds in an hour): 480,230 / 3,600 ≈ 133.4 m/s.
Calculate time to cover 500 meters:
Time = Distance / Speed = 500 meters / 133.4 m/s ≈ 3.75 seconds.
Therefore, it would take approximately 3.75 seconds to fly 500 meters in a straight line at 480.23 km/h, assuming instant acceleration and no external factors like wind or drag.
lol.
Using pen and paper
Mac drones travel 360 km/h
How did you get 1000 km/h
What do you smoke?
lol. This is fun.
So tell me then, if it was travelling at 360kmh how far would it go in 5 seconds?
Take your time… you don’t want to make a cunt of it.
Mac
as you said 5 seconds!
I am not arguing with you but with a guy calculating
¨Back of a fag packet calculation ¨
I suggested using a pen and paper !
500m. But I know what you are agreeing.
Well that is a relief. lol. I was struggling to comprehend the lack of numerical literacy!
I can’t open your links. But I want to add a few words about speeds.
The most common weapon, the Kalashnikov assault rifle (AK-47), gives the bullet an initial speed of 900 meters per second. A distance of 500 meters (or five football pitches) will be covered in just over half a second. The nearly same bullet speed has AR-15, the weapon that damaged Trump’s ear in Pennsylvania.
Anyway, the bullet would cover 500 meters less than in a second.
Pushed back and they were more likely scouts or sent to capture rather than kill.
All the other plots against Zelensky, assuming they’re even true. Are more likely to be internal actors, not the Russians.
There wouldn’t be any open infighting or death when Putin dies. That idea is retarded.
You just can’t bring yourself to admit that those nice cuddly Russians would do anything nasty to anybody. There’s ample evidence of state sanctioned torture.
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/10/1156271
The Russian war plan for the invasion divided Ukraine’s leadership into three tranches, the top tranche, including Zelensky, would be killed, the second it was thought could be intimidated into compliance whilst the third would collaborate.
https://www.rusi.org/news-and-comment/in-the-news/ukraine-war-captured-russian-documents-reveal-moscows-10-day-plan-take-over-country-and-kill-its
Leaders who concentrate power as Putin has done inevitably leave a vacuum behind them which rivals will fight to fill. Especially true when said leader has built up a powerful personality cult around themselves. Such things are dangerous.
” There’s ample evidence of state sanctioned torture. https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/10/1156271”
Produced by the UN’s special rapporteur, Mariana Katzarova, described in Wikipedia as
“born in 1966 in Sofia in Bulgaria.[1] She was an only child and she was in trouble in school when she put up posters after John Lennon died.[2] She attended Sofia University and New York’s Columbia University. After graduating, she later studied at the Geneva Academy of International Humanitarian Law and Human Rights and the London School of Economics to learn about humanitarian law and human rights.[3]”, so not likely to be biased or anything.
Nor would I describe the evidence produced as “ample”. It doesn’t sound as bad as the actions of the kindly British that inspired our host to leave the Foreign Office. I wonder if Ms Katzarova reported on that at the time.
” the top tranche, including Zelensky, would be killed, ”
Ah, it’s those stupid and incompetent Russians again. Do you not think they, if they wanted to remove Zelensky, they would have done by now, or that the chances that he would replaced by someone more competent, whilst playing a far more valuable role as a martyr has not crossed their minds?
“Leaders who concentrate power as Putin has done inevitably leave a vacuum behind them which rivals will fight to fill.”
Inevitably, eh? Then you will have no problem providing examples, then, will you?
Playing the man (woman) instead of the ball.
https://www.omct.org/en/resources/blog/regime-of-abuse-police-torture-in-putins-russia
https://www.hrw.org/the-day-in-human-rights/2025/05/06
How much longer are you going to stay in denial?
“How much longer are you going to stay in denial?”
What denial? Of course Russia tortures people. All states do and always have done. Funny how neither of the organisation your post links to merit the US worthy of mention. That’s what I mean by bias, focusing on the US’s enemies as if only they do nasty things to people.
I’m still waiting for your examples illustrating the inevitability of power vacuums.
“Playing the man (woman) instead of the ball.”
Nope, my criticisms of Ms Katzarova have nothing to do with her as a person and everything to do with her job and her training for it.
“The worst chaos and death would be in Moscow from the infighting to replace him.”
No, the worst chaos and death would come if, and it’s very probable, Putin was replaced by someone who wages a US “shock and awe” style war against the Ukranians, and carpet bombs all their cities. I know your favourite propagandists like to pretend that the Russians are all peace-lovers who have been dragged unwillingly into war by an unpopular dictator, but I invite you to consider for one moment that they might be being just a teeny bit economical with the truth.
Ah this is part of the ‘Putin is taking a ‘softly softly’ approach to minimise casualties’ which I guess is your favourite propaganda. An excuse for Russia’s slow progress and early set backs. Sorry but it doesn’t stand up to a reality test. A quick ‘shock and awe’ assault would’ve produced far fewer casualties, The US led invasion of Iraq resulted in less than 200 coalition troops killed, 11,000 to 45,000 Iraqs plus possibly 7,400 civilians. No accurate numbers for casualties in the Ukraine war have been released but the UN have identified 11,000 civilians killed and even Putin’s useful idiots cite Russian casualties in the tens of thousands. Claims of Ukrainian military dead numbering 1.2 to 1.5 million can be discarded, but you probably believe them.
Initial Russian support for the war is reported to be wavering as a result of the increasing body count, shortages and rampant food price inflation. Expressing this though is illegal and dangerous.
https://themilitant.com/2025/03/08/protests-across-russia-oppose-moscows-war-against-ukraine/
I suggest you apply immediately for the post of Head of the British Army. Obviously sitting in an armchair gives you a much better education than six years in a military academy. Amazing really. Have you been looking in a mirror every day and repeating “Every day in every way . . .”
“Ah this is part of the ‘Putin is taking a ‘softly softly’ approach to minimise casualties’ which I guess is your favourite propaganda.””
I seem to recall you objecting to others putting words into your mouth, so why are you doing the same? I know that you appear to believe in even the most unlikely propaganda, but I would have thought that, by now you would have realised that not everyone else thinks the same way as you do. There could be many reasons why Russia is taking a “softly softly” approach, but it is an uncontested fact that the Russo-Ukranian War is the first major one since WWII where military deaths outnumber civilian ones. Perhaps the different styles of warfare might just have something to do with it.
“Sorry but it doesn’t stand up to a reality test. A quick ‘shock and awe’ assault would’ve produced far fewer casualties”
Sorry, I thought you would realise that I was talking about civilian casualties. Next time I shall spell it out for you. Of course there are going to be fewer military casualties if your main tactic is bombing unarmed civilians from the air, especially if the enemy has neither air force nor air defence. Presumably that is why the US does it.
“Expressing this though is illegal and dangerous.”
How handy to be able to give such a cogent reason for the lack of evidence. Expressing support for Palestine in the UK is illegal and dangerous, as is exceeding the speed limit on a motorway, yet plenty of people still do it. It’s a bit facile to simply rebut any counter arguments by saying that all evidence to the contrary is the result of repression, censorship, vote rigging or propaganda.
” it is an uncontested fact that the Russo-Ukranian War is the first major one since WWII where military deaths outnumber civilian ones. ”
The Iran-Iraq war, probably one of the bloodiest of conflicts of the late 2th century post-Vietnam, and the 20 year long war in Afghanistan both produced fewer civilian casualties than combatants.
” Sorry, I thought you would realise that I was talking about civilian casualties. ”
That wasn’t clear at all but 7,400 (Iraqi Body Count) is about two thirds of 11,000 (Ukraine civilians dead identified by the UN).
“That wasn’t clear at all but 7,400 (Iraqi Body Count) is about two thirds of 11,000 (Ukraine civilians dead identified by the UN).”
Presumably you are talking about the Iran Iraq war, in which case, fair enough, the Russo-Ukranian war is one of only two wars where military casualties have outnumbered civilian ones, big deal. Falso in unum, falso in omnibus is really not a very strong arguing ploy, especially when it presupposes it is to be possible for someone never to be wrong.
Scottish Nationalists need to have a serious think about what is happening in Ukraine and what their position on it is because it could not be more relevant to us achieving independence.
At the heart of it is the principle of self determination.
“The principle of self-determination in politics refers to the right of a group of people, typically a nation or ethnic group, to freely decide their own political status and pursue their economic, social, and cultural development without external coercion. It emphasizes autonomy and sovereignty, allowing communities to govern themselves, choose their form of government, or determine their relationship with other states, such as through independence, federation, or integration.”
If you do not accept that principle for the ethnic Russian oblasts of Ukraine then you can’t claim it for your self either. It either applies to every people or no peoples. You can’t have your cake and eat it.
So then we ask did they have a referendum and what was the result? Massive majorities to re-join Russia.
Why? Because the inhabitants are ethnically Russian as most of Ukraine was a Soviet invention and these Eastern parts of Ukraine have been Russian for centuries prior.
All of this is ignored by the UK media and political class. Instead Britain is saturated with anti Russian propaganda and it really is saturated. I would say no other country on earth comes close to the UK in this regard.
Trump’s credibility is shot at this point. All the regions that want to will now likely all re-join Russia is my guess. If that is what those people want why would we (nationalists) oppose it.
The problem is what is going to be left over in Western Ukraine. That is going to be run by ‘ultra-nationalists’ shall we call them, being kind. The solution to that might be Western Ukraine breaking up and going back to Hungary, Slovakia and Poland, if they want them. Otherwise we could end up with a real problem state in the West. Those ultra-nationalists are no joke, very dangerous people.
The reason the UK is so saturated with propaganda on this is that we have played the leading role in all of this. For some reason our leaders decided ‘we’ are in an existential battle with Russia and we ‘can’t lose this one no matter what’. But that is exactly what has happened. And they are unable to accept the reality staring them in the face.
Starmer seems delusional. We don’t have the men, the weapons, the arms factories, the resources, the money, nor the will to beat them but somehow these delusional clowns think we do. Starmer himself can’t even throw a punch yet he is Mr hardcase wanting to take on Russia…FFS.
The risk now is that desperate people will do desperate things. From their perspective right now starting WW3 would be an improvement. That makes this period very dangerous for all of us. For example assassinating Putin could very well kick it off. That is how close we are right now.
And because of the UK’s role in all of this if it does kick off we are going to get torched. They are playing an incredibly dangerous game and there is not even a rational reason for it that I can see.
Mac, this is an excellent comment, I agree with you 100%. It seems Zelenskyy’s position is to try to regain the four oblast’s which seceded legitimately from Ukraine as per International Law. Then, once he has done that, to proceed to ethnically cleans and murder the Russian speaking inhabitants of those regions to make Ukraine whole once again. This beggars belief, but it seems many in the west are on board.
This is why Russia regard this as an existential threat, Russia will use all its might to stop this happening and they would be right to do so.
Six territories are disputed – Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporozhe, Kherson, Crimea, and Sevastopol which is in Crimea but administered separately. Large majorities in all of them want to be in Russia and voted to be in Russia. The idea that they were all marched to polling stations by KGB men wearing dark glasses holding them in half-nelsons is absurd. These are Russian areas FFS.
Donbas coalminers always spoke Russian. So did the Makhnovists, whose base was in Zaporozhe.
How long until many in Ukraine realise they are being sacrificed for an aim that is both unachievable and would be vile even if it were achievable? Sadly the answer may be not to hold one’s breath in expectation, given that many in Ukraine voted for Princess Leia from Star Wars and followed it up by voting for Punchy Punchface the Boxer, and then for Ordinary Derek the Servant of the People in “Yes Minister”. That is no exaggeration in respect of how mass politics has worked in Ukraine for the past 35 years. But I hope people wake up, because they are being absolutely shat on by their rulers. As Karl Liebknecht put it, “Down with the government. Down with the war.”
Exactly right. I imagine that the three or four western oblasts of the Ukraine could be absorbed by Poland – they will eventually have a lot in common, if they can forget some mutual massacres. If things get as far as that then Russia will gave either annexed via referenda most of the rest of this sorry country and will thus be able to overawe and ensure that Poland keeps any further hyena laughs to itself.
“So then we ask did they have a referendum and what was the result? Massive majorities to re-join Russia.”
Ah, but those referendums were rigged. You could tell that by the results. (Well, actually, the results show that they were not rigged, but any vote that produces a result that the West doesn’t like is “rigged”. Ones that do produce an approved result are “free and fair”. That’s what those expressions now mean. You have to keep up with the jargon. See also “terrorism” and “anti-semetism”.)
Why is this happening? I mean this as a deep question. As with the war between Russia and proxy Ukraine, it does not seem to be in the UK national interest. The Empire and its trade routes seem long gone. Let’s just take the PM – what is his world view (previous international human rights lawyer) and what are the personal pressures and motivations.
German industry combined with plentiful cheap Russian oil and gas was a seriously winning combination.
Russia had built pipelines to Germany and were building more in Southern Europe.
This meant Russia and Europe were going to seriously benefit and as a result grow closer and closer economically and politically.
This did not please some people in London and in Washington and so the Ukraine war was provoked in order to drive a huge wedge between Russia and Europe, cutting off the supply of cheap energy to Europe cutting off its economy at the knees.
One of the first things they did was to bomb nordstream.
They hoped this would destroy Russia economically but instead Russia pivoted to the East and rest will be history. The sanctions failed.
The US still wins by selling Europe energy at a huge mark-up and Russia wins by finally breaking its ‘Western addiction’ but we in Europe are left like total rubes holding the baby. Our economies are fucked with out access to cheap energy, industries cannot compete and will move elsewhere.
This is the biggest geo political blunder of the last 50 years at least.
From my viewpoint, I have witnessed the sell-out of British manufacturing and particularly our defence industry. In the 60s and 70s we had a strong, competitive defence industry, made our own planes, ships, armoured vehicles we even had space capability. Then someone made the decision to get into bed with the yanks. So we’ve lost all our manufacturing capability, all our IPR, all our independence. Now our defence capability is based on American shite, and with it, we are now beholden to the American ‘reds under the bed’, ‘anti-commie’ agenda. Hard to believe and stomach the decline of the UK over a single lifetime. UK RIP.
“Then someone made the decision to get into bed with the yanks.”
I don’t think it was that. The UK has been owned by the US ever since WWII, when they had it over a barrel. Ever since then they have systematically robbed the UK of everything it had. If you think this is a bit far-fetched, why do you think that the US has military bases in the UK still?
Maybe, however IMO it was an explicit political choice. Getting into bed with the USA had no impact on the ‘war debt’, we still had to pay for every bullet, there were other paths but the british establishment wanted to share in ‘the american dream’ and sold us down the river.
“Getting into bed with the USA had no impact on the ‘war debt’, we still had to pay for every bullet, ”
The UK didn’t “get into bed” with the US, the UK bent over and spread ’em. The UK had to agree to the terms the US was offering because it had allowed itself to be taken over by the warmongers and gone to war without proper preparation. Not only that, but it had decided to fight the Japanese at the same time it was fighting the Germans. Now the warmongers are trying to get an even less prepared UK into a war with Russia.
” We do want to fight but by jingo when we do,
We’ll have no ships, we’ll have no men, we’ll have no money, too”
Not the Yanks
From google’s AI overview:
Several Israeli-owned arms companies have subsidiaries or joint ventures in the UK, including Elbit Systems and Israel Aerospace Industries. Elbit Systems, the largest arms manufacturer in Israel, has multiple subsidiaries in the UK, including Instro Precision, Elite KL, Ferranti Technologies, and UAV Engines, as well as joint ventures like UAV Technologies and Affinity. Israel Aerospace Industries, which is government-owned, also has UK operations.
Here’s a more detailed breakdown:
Elbit Systems:
This company is the primary provider of land-based equipment and unmanned aerial vehicles to the Israeli military. It has four subsidiaries in the UK: Instro Precision, Elite KL, Ferranti Technologies, and UAV Engines. It also has joint ventures with Thales UK (UAV Technologies) and KBR (Affinity).
Israel Aerospace Industries:
This company, which is owned by the Israeli government, also has UK-based operations.
Other companies:
While not explicitly named as “Israeli-owned”, other Israeli companies may have UK subsidiaries or collaborations related to the arms industry, according to the Campaign Against Arms Trade (CAAT).
UK companies involved:
Many UK companies are also involved in the arms trade with Israel, either directly or through their components being used in Israeli-produced weaponry. For example, GKN Aerospace manufactures parts for the F-35, which Israel uses.
These companies own freehold land in the UK, including on former MOD sites.
Alyson. Whilst elbit is a player, it’s a small fish in a big sea, the big boys include the likes of: Lockheed Martin (F35 lead), General Dynamics, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, IBM, and others. All active in the UK for many, many years and actively controlling the direction of our industries.
The USA is the puppet master.
It’s also worth mentioning that BAE is in reality a USA company heavily involved with ‘security’.
UK RIP.
Best thing that could happen. The British Emire has only been exceeded in malice, invasions and mass murders by its US successor
I agree, but then why did Olaf Scholz not push back? Now we have Friedrich Merz seemingly remilitarizing Germany and provoking Russia. Etc.
Professor Jeffery Sachs says that most European leaders are now factotums of the intelligence services. Kit Klarenberg (one of the arrested journalists under the terrorism laws) says Starmer is. France, whoever is running Germany now, it is everywhere, sadly.
It seems obvious that Starmer is just another T. Blair Lite, but without the hollow charisma or superficial good looks. His wife is Jewish, which also probably influences his views.
His children too.
I’m not sure why the Jellyfish Western Media and some politicians are at this moment in search of a spine?
Do they know something we don’t know?
Media still just as devious. e.g. BBC
“Israel imposed a total blockade on Gaza and resumed its military offensive against Hamas on 18 March following the collapse of a two-month ceasefire brokered by the US, Qatar and Egypt.”
Now my understanding is Israel collapsed the ceasefire by surreptitiously bombing and killing 400-500 unsuspecting Gazans overnight. The sentence above infers that somehow the “collapse” was the fault of both sides.
OMCT
never heard of them.
Can’t see Israel on them or the US for some reason?
No tortured Russians neither.
Selective anti torture?
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I’m impressed.
Look up ( or Wikipedia ) National Endowment for Democracy.
A Great Set of Lad’s as Father Ted would say.
Selective Torture?
So you admit that Russia does practice torture.
Progress!
Pears, your own government has been helping to slaughter the most vulnerable people on the planet for over a year and a half now.
Any progress in you admitting that? Everyone knows you would be howling if it was Russia perpetrating it rather than Britain.
What is it with you right-wing types, Pears? Did your mother not touch you very much? Or was it a harsh, dominating father? Or a public school ‘education’. Or just a huge chip on the shoulder?
Always have an enemy, never admit ‘your’ side does anything wrong, always denigrate the ‘enemy’ at every chance, never admit to possessing any moral values, twist, turn, lie, – sometimes I feel sorry for people like you, but I have to admit, not much.
It really is disappointing that portions of humanity can sink so low, though.
I’d suggest zig and zag aren’t ‘right wing’ but more like middle class, liberal wokesters. But in reality as discussed previously the terms left wing and right wing are meaningless as, like the uni-party, they are one and the same.
Pear Morgaine
Gotcha stupidities are best left to the media.
Of course torture is used across the globe.
The problem is the NGO you quote is very selective about what and who to report.
Then again – if there was a plan to blow somewhere and some people up and you had to use torture to prevent it – then you would use it.
Not nice but, maybe necessary.
To pretend though that this group is angelic is naive to say the least.
The problem with most torture is that the tortured will tell you anything.
Not the most clever way of gaining information but sometimes a necessary one.
Every country will do it – of course they all will say it’s necessary.
Even the upright and upstanding British have done it.
The rights of the individual versus the prevention of something terrible.
My point is simple – the one’s posing as Angels are Devils in disguise themselves.
It is a dangerous and imperfect world.
I can say this though for the selective moralisers:
If the idiot Merz carries out his Taurus Missile promise then Germany should expect a few Oreshniks down their way to prevent them from being built – never mind launching.
Would that be fair in Love and War?
To prevent a worse event from happening?
And if anyone thinks that the US would go to Nuclear War on behalf of Europe that is an error of epic proportions.
The US would be sanguine even if Europe got nuked and would then negotiate with Russia or China before they were hit.
What Zelensky and the European leaders are assuming is that the US will come roaring in to defend Europe.
It is extremely unlikely.
No guarantee for Israel neither on the same basis.
Life’s not fair.
Death isn’t neither but that depends on who’s lives are at stake.
And that depends on where you live and who’s side your on.
Personal insults. If that’s the best you can do there’s nothing more to be said.
It’s the ‘tankies’, the Putin supporters who steadfastly refuse to accept that Russia has ever done anything bad or wrong. As Craig once said it’s the mindset that believes the West is the root of all evil sees any entity that opposes the West as being perfect in every way and beyond reproach. Sadly the world isn’t like that.
“It’s the ‘tankies’, the Putin supporters who steadfastly refuse to accept that Russia has ever done anything bad or wrong. ”
Yeah, but very few of them appear in the comments of this blog, mercifully because they are just as irritating as those who steadfastly refuse to accept that the West has ever done anything bad or wrong.
@Pears – “As Craig once said it’s the mindset that believes the West is the root of all evil sees any entity that opposes the West as being perfect in every way and beyond reproach. Sadly the world isn’t like that.”
Nobody thinks the world is like that.
Actually I did once hear a young Leninist in Trafalgar Square say she “supported” everyone who fought against the British state, but when someone mentioned Hitler she didn’t have much to say and I doubt she kept to her position for very long.
Certainly there was naivety on the British far left where something like the IRA was concerned. I am quite sure MI5 and other parts of the British secret state encouraged that naivety.
Rudi Dutschke once said look guys if I were in eastern Europe I’d fight against the bureaucratic rulers in that region, but I’m in western Europe so mostly I concentrate on fighting the bourgeoisie. Wise words.
Abbie Hoffman called the USA “just another Latin dictatorship”. Those were wise words too.
Germaine Greer said sarcastically that she liked watching British royal pageantry in the way she might watch the last public events of an African tribalist dictatorship that was soon to disappear. I don’t share her taste, but I understand her point.
One could easily echo Hoffman and say the crock of shoe-sh*t called the “West” is just another Asian dictatorship.
I wonder how much time you have spent thinking about how real critics and oppositionists really think, Pears, rather than typing words of emphasis such as “perfect in every way and beyond reproach”.
The NED is a useful reference when one wishes to make the point that the division between the two major political parties in the USA doesn’t exactly run deep.
USA President Truman in giving de facto recognition to the Jewish State of Palestine on the day – May 15 1948 – that Britain gave up its Palestine Mandate (and evidently without any consultation with the British government which then was less keen on the idea) admitted later, according to the newspapers of the time, that he had been under intense pressure to do so because of pressure from the Zionist lobby in an election year.
On this very day – May 29th 1948 – Arab League forces under Jordanian leadership took over Old Jerusalem having laid siege for several days and evicted the indigent Jews or took prisoner the Jewish resistance. All the events and those leading up to this one and after being clearly and factually reported in most newspapers from reports of journalists who were actually there and could see what was happening and “we” readers could read what they saw.
Earlier in May there were accounts of British troops killing 70 Israeli Jewish militia near Haifa and of Arab attacks on Jewish settlements. Palestine was in a state of civil war with the Brits as the main peacekeepers with an impossible task, no wonder they got out as soon as they could.
This kind of reporting does not happen anymore. There is great stuff about which we know very little these days on https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search (subscription needed)
What is the definition of “civil war”? Not sure it’s appropriate for a conflict between settlers and the native population. Would you use it for Algeria 1954-62?
Following on from the last post by Craig, I will say that MI5 has various technologies available that can create and thwart terrorists. They can beam voices into the target’s mind, mimicking schizophrenia. They can remotely sense what the target can see and hear, making their voices seem persuasive and even omnipotent. They can deepfake voices in realtime. They can induce irregular heart rhythms and create pain and mental confusion.They can even force speech or partially paralyze a body. All this in addition to planting evidence, harming vulnerable people and conducting extremely intrusive surveillance. False flag attacks and Manchurian candidates are real. It sounds impossible and perhaps resulting from mental illness, but it’s true. It is likely I will be abused by MI5 analysts for posting about these methods.
I’m not entirely convinced by your claims.
However, here is some evidence based reporting on what MI5 does do.
https://www.declassifieduk.org/how-britains-colonial-cover-ups-continued-in-northern-ireland/
Who are the terrorists again?
“False flag” has become a terminology that’s in widespread use, but increasingly there are attacks or malfunctionings that are “no flag”.
See for example recent events in Britain affecting the electricity grid, the London underground, airports, libraries, and supermarkets.
The British state is using zionist antisemites to create pretexts to do what the state wants, with the benefit of a spurious antisemitism allegation ready to smear dissenters. The zionist antisemites are proxies, not a lobby.
Man, this attempted assassination of Putin is much more serious than I first realized.
COL. Lawrence Wilkerson and various other experienced and ‘connected’ guests on Judge Nap opining that the attempted assassination of Putin using drones to target his helicopter is unlikely to have happened without intelligence and direction from at least one of the US/UK/Israeli ‘services’ (who are all ‘joined at the hip’ apparently).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb-57LzTbXU&ab_channel=JudgeNapolitano-JudgingFreedom
But he then goes on to ask would this attempt on Putin’s life have been done with Trump’s fore-knowledge and approval? And they conclude that the answer is no.
He then concludes that essentially (some element at least of) these intelligence agencies attempted to assassinate the President of Russia (and start WW3) without the approval of the US president, i.e. that they have gone rogue and are wildly out of control and that this is high treason.
Given everything that is going on to date I find this explanation extremely plausible. This is getting really terrifying. If this was Britain’s services behind it… I don’t even like to think about… This is going to escalate now. How can it not IF this is true.
Trump has been mushroomed, kept in the dark and fed shite, does not know what is going on. This has now become crystal clear by his recent comments and tweets. Tulsi Gabbard was a poor appointment it seems unfortunately.
I think Craig Murray is only seeing the tip of the shitberg in these recent articles. Everything we are seeing at home and abroad really does indicate they are out of control. Do they all think they will be safe and happy in a bunker somewhere, I really can’t fathom this, total insanity.
Mac
May 30, 2025 at 09:04
Mac, forgive me but that post is a bit overheated.
If you are contending that the Ukrainian military tried to assassinate Putin, as distinct from being indifferent to his safety, I’d be interested to see a disinterested source.
And as to the likelihood of an actual assassination attempt leading to WW3, that seems unlikely.
If a US or Soviet leader had been bumped off by the Taliban during the US/Soviet occupation of Afghanistan that would certainly have led to a violent response from the invader. But not WW3.
Similarly in Vietnam or Korea during the US military adventures there.
What makes the Russian invasion of Ukraine special?
And why is Putin entitled to impunity?
Again, I’d be interested to see a rationale for your claim.
“What makes the Russian invasion of Ukraine special?”
Do I really have to tell you this? Russia and the US have nukes, as Afghanistan, Vietnam and Korea do not.
Bayard
May 30, 2025 at 20:57
Bayard
Is it really your contention that nuclear armed states have impunity when they attack their neighbours?
If so then Israel (whose brutal assault on Palestine is universally condemned here) has impunity for its genocidal behaviour.
A conclusion that I reject.
JK Redux
off the top of my head I can’t recall a Nuclear Armed Country being invaded.
Those who don’t have them have been ‘ Regime Changed ‘ and bombed from above.
Hamas certainly don’t have them.
Iran says it doesn’t have them but, further bluff calling from the US and their puppies in the EU has not gone well at all so far – so maybe they will get lucky this time?
This could be why smaller countries want to attain them.
But as The responsible West keeps telling us – they could fall into the wrong hands.
This from a country that has used Nukes twice.
In fact the only country that has used nukes so far.
Still plenty of time left yet to join The Nuke Hall of Fame.
“Is it really your contention that nuclear armed states have impunity when they attack their neighbours?”
No it isn’t, but as Mark Cutts points out, in reality, that is the case. As usual, you (deliberately?) miss the point entirely, which is that a war between two nuclear armed superpowers is like to escalate into WWIII and one between a nuclear armed superpower and a non-nuclear armed non-superpower isn’t. Do I really have to spell this out for you?
Assassinations could easily provide some special sauce to go with the no-flag systems breakdowns that have already become part of the landscape. What’s not to like about assassinations, from the point of view of those who want to ramp up the cult of security?
“And as to the likelihood of an actual assassination attempt leading to WW3, that seems unlikely.”
“Lead to” covers a lot. Assassination or a spate of assassinations could provide the trigger for events moving to WW3 if not the underlying causes.
Nonetheless the idea that the USA or Israel are going to whack “I’m so sorry, Naftali” Putin – the leader of a country at war – seems fanciful. An incident a short way into Poland, or at a pinch Finland or Sweden, would be more like it. Talk of Estonia is more likely to be RUSI onanism.
If Putin is killed, we still have Medvedev waiting on the bench. And that would be a real disaster, since Medvedev’s extreme statements on his Telegram channel put even the most hardcore hurray-propagandists to shame in terms of the level of off-the-scale hatred.
Have you ever heard of UVB 76 “The Buzzer”? It’s a radio station, presumably for military purposes. It transmits a humming sound as channel marker, but before important events it broadcasts some messages in Russian that sound like an encryption.
Often these are words that linguistically consist of two roots. Well, like the word ‘SpiderMan’ is made from ‘spider’ + ‘man’.
Few days before the war, 20 February 2022 it said ‘Forest_Ice’. In August 2024 it said ‘Babydoll_cat” and ‘Time_beaver’.
Buzzer’s messages cause waves of humor and serve as the basis for funny internet jokes. Like they take a screenshot of a popular post-USSR film about army, the scene with a young conscript asking about ‘Launch Nukes’ button. To which request the old officer replies, “We’ll definitely do a blast. And more than once. And the whole world will turn to dust. But, not now.”
Sample joke
https://cs19.pikabu.ru/s/2025/05/25/01/zezn4mlp.webp
The last Buzzer message contained the words ‘беззлобие’ (*’good nature) and and ‘хрюкостяг’ (*’oink’+ either ancient Russian for ‘flag’ or the homonymous root of the Russian word ‘to pull together’).
It occurred to the damn Medvedev to use them in his Telegram message. It was indescribable! My personal impression I can only express with a Russian slang idiom ‘ебанулся на отличненько’- has gone completely nuts. About as nuts as three Zelenskys or five Trumps, imo.
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Mac, I read your comments with great interest and thank you for your style of speech!
Tatyana
May 30, 2025 at 19:22
Tatyana
Surely Nikolai Patrushev is the heir apparent if Putin falls out of a window?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Patrushev
I am authorized to state that as of today, Tatyana still has no desire to communicate with you.
Tatyana
May 30, 2025 at 19:36
Tatyana
Sorry to hear that.
We inevitably disagree but I enjoy the engagement..
JK Redux
Say’s who?
According to ‘reports ‘ Russia is not a Democracy.
A Stronger Strong Man would be needed.
Like the worst James Bond Villain ever – surely?
Oh and a beautiful White Cat and a black fake plastic hand to stroke it with.
MR MARK CUTTS
May 30, 2025 at 23:06
Mark, Nikolai Patrushev might fit the bill.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Patrushev
Many thanks Tatyana. Much appreciated.
Medvedev has lost the plot. Perhaps the bear has been guzzling too much mad honey.
Shoigu would eat him for breakfast.
𐱅𐰭𐰼𐰃
If Putin were suddenly to disappear, Mikhail Mishustin is supposed to take over, which would lead to the interesting position where the presidents of both Russia and Ukraine would be Jewish.
Certainly Putin will be a hard act to follow.
Brian, I feel deep respect for Mishustin. As a small business. I personally experienced the enormous benefits of his proposed innovations in taxes and state-citizen services. Also, I’m extremely interested to know what these runes mean?
The runes spell “Tengri”.
It would not surprise me if some (non-jokers) believe that Sergei Shoigu is a reincarnation of Subutai or otherwise seriously connected with his thought form. What with having both a Centre of Asia monument and Por-Bazhyn, the Tuva autonomous republic has an impressive profile for sure.
“Israel has accused French president Emmanuel Macron of undertaking a “crusade against the Jewish state” after he called for European countries to harden their stance on Israel”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/30/israel-gaza-war-hamas-us-backed-ceasefire-plan-live-news-updates
OMG If the zionist state now accuse their western proxies of leading a crusade against Israel, what should we call it? Red herring? False flag? Severe paranoia?
We actually need a readjusted compass. The thick is becoming plotter…
I think that Macron has more pressing problems closer to home….
I can see you’re fully aware of his troubles with his wife, who was actually shoving him in public!
But I was wondering why BN is berating his enablers, Macron being obviously the least important.
In any case, geopolitics are no longer what they used to be. It will be interesting to hear what Craig has to say about it.
It’s a game. Don’t be fooled. Like Starmer the weapons and support continues regardless of what they say.
Macron the Emmerdeur will probably be out of the Elysée by September.
“But I was wondering why BN is berating his enablers, Macron being obviously the least important.”
Important markets that such declarations play to include
1. Members of Netanyahu’s own organisation (culture) in what they themselves call the “diaspora”. Best to keep their fever stoked.
2. Goy figures in host countries who may want to join the “Macron equals Hamas, the treacherous Great Replacer” chorus in return for favours, bribes, and career advancement. There are meetings, receptions, private dinners, all the time. Responses get noted. There is a war on.
Could all this be theatre, after all everything else is.
Getting Kuschner senior as Trump’s man in France is going to ramp up the rhetoric. Beach front Gaza is where Kuschners have invested heavily
“OMG If the zionist state now accuse their western proxies of leading a crusade against Israel, what should we call it?”
The description of the imaginary “it” could be called Christophobia. Just a suggestion.
The more I think about it, the more I detest journalists and the more I have pity and contempt for naive souls who think they can make a difference in that stinking pond by means of trenchant liberalism.
Melrose, I believe Victoria Nuland called it ‘Fuck Europe’. The plan was laid out in 2012. Regime change in Ukraine, then draw in Russia to an unwinnable war, to deplete Russia of armaments and armed forces, (‘we regret the sacrifice of the Ukrainian people’) and then reduce the effectiveness of Putin’s agreement with Israel and Iran, as originally brokered by Kissinger, and subsequently renegotiated from time to time by Netanyahu, to defend either against a first move of aggression by the other.
The supreme commander of NATO has always been the US president, and US armed forces in Europe number hundreds of thousands. Potus wanting European countries to fund more of their contribution to this presence might be a hint of the changing dynamic in currently unforeseeable ways.
Israel has made no secret of its intentions towards the Palestinian people and the point of no return was the blowing up of the King David Hotel, and the British Administration of Palestine and other European Embassies, when the British simply withdrew, and Palestinian people were no longer entitled to carry British passports from the British Protectorate of Palestine.
International Rule of Law matters but UN peacekeepers have only very limited jurisdiction as observers upholding agreements. They cannot become combatants in support of either side if a peaceful ceasefire is breached. International Arrest Warrants also require the voluntary compliance of alliances.
And key players for the Zionist endeavour are embedded in the heart of all our Western governments. Democracy is in a pickle, but this is a nettle it needs to grasp if it is to continue as the best possible form of government by the people for the people.
This article, https://telegra.ph/Mission-impossible-OSCE-05-30 , gives an example of what the US was up to in Ukraine before the “unprovoked” attack by Russia in 2014.
Before the usual suspects dismiss it as Russian propaganda, perhaps they would like to consider why it wouldn’t be true, to which the only answer I can think of is that the nice, peace-and-brotherhood-loving USA would never do anything like that.
The OSCE has exposed numerous war crimes committed by Russian forces so to be expected that they’d be subject to the predictable propaganda. i’ve not the time to plough through it all but:- “At the OSCE mission headquarters in Mariupol, on Primorsky Boulevard, Russian investigators found a warehouse of Italian-made mortar shells, delivered by sea on 11 March 2022, according to the marks on the boxes ”
Unfortunately for anyone who wants to believe this the OSCE office in Mariopol was closed on the 6th March 2022 and the staff evacuated shortly afterwards.
https://www.osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/513385
You’ll note from the report that despite Russian forces being provided with the location the building was still shelled.
Pears Morgaine
If I recall correctly – OSCE staff were caught red handed spying for Ukraine against Russia – some even went to prison – another so called impartial body the IAEA – always seemed to depart the ZNPP, just before the Neo-Nazi’s tried to blow it up – coincidence?
Meta, also suspended their hate crime speech policies – to allow for the discussing – and calling, for the killing of Russians on their Facebook and Instagram platforms.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-sentences-osce-employee-prison-spying-east-ukraine-2024-07-12/
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/meta-facebook-hate-speech-russia-putin_n_622b2436e4b0317d0a2f1f11
“The OSCE has exposed numerous war crimes committed by Russian forces so to be expected that they’d be subject to the predictable propaganda. ”
Yeah, right. Everything I say about you is the truth. Any rebuttal on your part is therefore lies. Convincing, eh?
“Unfortunately for anyone who wants to believe this the OSCE office in Mariopol was closed on the 6th March 2022 and the staff evacuated shortly afterwards.”
So says the OSCE, marking their own homework, but then the Russians have exposed numerous crimes committed by the OSCE so it is to be expected that they’d be subject to the predictable propaganda.
Oh yes, ” spying for unspecified foreign intelligence agencies, ” so they ‘know’ they were spying; but don’t know who for. Well that’s convincing. Just another example of the kangaroo courts in operation in the occupied areas.
Since Meta sacked its fact checkers and rolled back moderation anyone can post any offensive stuff.
https://theintercept.com/2025/01/09/facebook-instagram-meta-hate-speech-content-moderation/
Bayard
May 31, 2025 at 22:25
Bayard, you said that ” I see, so the fact that a neighbouring country has, some time in the past, overthrown the governments of other neighbouring countries, gives anyone carte blanche to overthrow your government. By the same argument, overthrowing the Irish government in Dublin is OK for another state because Eire’s much larger neighbour once invaded and overthrew the government of another neighbouring country, France.”
Not what I said at all.
Russia has persistently used military force to invade and occupy its neighbours for the last 100 years. At least.
Ukraine, on the other hand, managed to resist Russian attempts to use bribery and no doubt coercion to induce Yanukovych to stay with Mother Russia.
Yanukovych scuttled off to Russia under Spetsnaz escort, reminiscent of Hitler’s ‘rescue’ of Mussolini after the latter was discarded by the Fascist Grand Council.
Yanukovych is now Putin’s creature, hoping for a Russian victory and his installation as the puppet President of Ukraine.
”Russia has persistently used military force to invade and occupy its neighbours for the last 100 years.”
Would that be the same neighbours who invaded Russia in 1917 in order to remove its government, and the same neighbours who invaded in 1941 to do likewise?
The best way to deal with such neighbours is to demolish their ability to invade, which was done in 1945 and is now having to done again 80 years later. These neighbours were called Nazis then and now go under the name of NATO but it’s the same game. Himmler tried to explain this to the allies in 1945 but was executed because the timing was wrong. HIs spirit lives on inside the united Germany.
The video of the Nuland – Pyatt conversation is still available on You – tube and ages well, with the thousands of comments that go with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxaa-67yGM#t=3/
BBC also posted a transcript https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26079957 with a Jonathan Marcus interposing comments to soften the impact of the very clear messages being communicated. Naughty Russians for listening in and all that.
People from a foreign government come to your country, support and arm (and feed cookies!) to protesters, inspiring them to seize power by force. Then people from a foreign government appoint a new government for you.
Isn’t this what a real democratic social process looks like?
Imo, excellent service from true experts in democracy. At that party, although there were only a few dishes from the chef on the menu, and they were mandatory for tasting regardless of your desire to eat it, but the part with the show where the EU was fucked on air without any censorship was impressive!
I think this catering agency has a lot of experience in the business.
If you think otherwise, then you are Putin’s agent spreading Russian propaganda!
Tatyana
May 31, 2025 at 18:40
Tatyana you are referring to the overthrow (by the Ukrainian Parliament) of the then Ukrainian President. The latter was whisked out of Ukraine to Russia by Putin’s special forces.
You blame the Zapad for orchestrating the overthrow of the vastly corrupt Yanukovych.
I don’t believe that is true though no doubt the Zapad’s support for democratic forces was helpful.
All the above in stark contrast with the USSR/Russia’s overthrow by military force of the Governments of the Baltic republics before Barbarossa and the attempted overthrow of Finland’s Statehood.
Not to mention the USSR’s overthrow by military force of the governments of Hungary and Czechoslovakia in the 1950’s.
And of course the USSR’s invasion and occupation of Afghanistan.
I am happy to authorise you to respond to this post if you wish.
I see, so the fact that a neighbouring country has, some time in the past, overthrown the governments of other neighbouring countries, gives anyone carte blanche to overthrow your government. By the same argument, overthrowing the Irish government in Dublin is OK for another state because Eire’s much larger neighbour once invaded and overthrew the government of another neighbouring country, France.
I think someone has leapt the large marine predator here.
I will ask my MP to ask of the Guardian editor why she feels the UK govt arrests and threats of imprisonment of dissenting journalists is of no public interest and to notify me of the outcome.
That will get the rulers shaking in their shoes, eh?
There seem to be few to no comments on this article? I’ve noticed that to see new articles it’s necessary to force a refresh of your browser – the most likely issue is a misconfiguration of the server, so it may be worth checking this…
Actually I may be wrong: comments appeared but only after I posted one. Perhaps it’s an issue with my browser… I’ll experiment.
Yes of course the regime’s scum snigger when they write that some parts of the state are independent of others, whether it’s the prosecutors, the BBC, the Bank of England, or the judges. (Curiously they don’t say it about the army, MI5, or GCHQ. Interesting that they now write it about the regular filth, although I suspect this won’t become part of regime doctrine.) Truth is that no part of the state is independent of the others.
It is pretty weird to read that the British regime’s police are “independent” of something described (as if by a cocky but not so knowledgeable teenager) as “the government-of-the-day”. Because strangely I thought the Home Secretary was supposed to be accountable to “the mother of Parliaments” for the actions and policies of the police, and that the said Home Secretary was a member of the government. And that combination directly contradicts what is asserted.
@Ian – the system’s lies all start falling apart when one stops and has a good look at them.
See “Project Esther” from the Heritage Foundation, which has the aim of dismantling the “Hamas Support Network” within 12-24 months (six of which have already passed).
https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/report/project-esther-national-strategy-combat-antisemitism
Yes, folks, “Esther” is a reference to the purim story.
In the purim story, the Jews kill 75000 non-Jews because a handful of non-Jews, who clearly weren’t in such a strong position as they thought they were, were planning to kill Jews. The handful found themselves outwitted by Jews working inside the host country’s authorities.
Just telling you what the story is about.
The Orange Order never got a hundredth as insanely rabid as this.
Yes indeed. The Book of Esther is still very much taught to Jewish schoolchildren today. The Jewish Queen, married to the king of the Persians, let in the Jewish assassins to kill the king. So, one looks around the world and one sees Kate. One sees Jemima. One sees Teresa’s husband, and David Cameron’s mother, and Starmer’s wife, whose father insists he be home in time for Friday prayers, and Reeves, and Shai Masot at the Labour Party Conference, and one wonders, about the unkind rumours that Diana was sired by Zac’s father, and one is surprised that William’s first born son is celebrated as a true kosher heir to the English crown in the ToI, but that none dare call it conspiracy. Because we cannot imagine anyone really thinks like that….
Purim story? Okay maybe my version is wrong and the king of Persia was assassinated several years later in an unrelated incident…. She was a saviour of the persecuted Jewish population, in the story.
Please delete my comments. Thank you
Book of Esther.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/intro/?search=Esther&version=NABRE
“In the purim story, the Jews kill 75000 non-Jews because a handful of non-Jews, who clearly weren’t in such a strong position as they thought they were, were planning to kill Jews.”
Well, no, if you read the actual story, https://ebible.org/pdf/eng-kjv/eng-kjv_EST.pdf , you will see that the Jews were authorised by the king to defend themselves against their attackers, who thought that they, the attackers, were under the protection of the king, when they weren’t. It’s just a story. You really can’t take these sort of numbers quoted in the Bible as being accurate.