Those charged with terrorism for supporting Palestine Action will have no jury in trials limited to 36 minutes each, with prison sentences up to six months. These are the plans for Starmer Courts for mass trials of anti-Genocide protestors.
The plans are devised by Justice Michael Snow. He is the epitome of judicial prejudice. When Julian Assange appeared before Snow in the first hearing after being dragged from the Embassy, Snow called Assange a “narcissist” even though Assange had said nothing but to confirm his name, and no evidence had been led.
Snow has now decreed that those 2,000 people charged under Section 13 of the Terrorism Act with supporting Palestine Action, will be tried in batches of five at the rate of ten people a day – giving 36 court minutes for each defendant. This is a farce, a spectacle of mass show trial. The 36 minutes includes both prosecution and defence cases and cross-examination.
At a scheduling hearing on Wednesday, one of the accused, 72 year old Deborah Wilde, objected that these trials would be far too short to present a proper defence.
Snow snapped back “I’m satisfied that the time is sufficient. I am not going to give more time. Your only remedy is the High Court”.
As I am sure Snow realises, ordinary people cannot afford to go to the High Court. The worrying thing is that the trials will be held before judges including the appalling Snow, with no jury.
Here is the relevant part of Section 13 of the Terrorism Act.
Perhaps the most astonishing thing about this draconian legislation is that arousing suspicion is actually the offence. It does not matter if the suspicion turns out to be well-grounded or not. The suspicion could be totally wrong, but if you aroused the suspicion on “reasonable grounds” in a policeman’s head, you are guilty.
It is an offence of strict liability. Your intent is not considered; you may have been most concerned to stop a Genocide, or to oppose the destruction of free speech. Judge Snow and his ilk will not care. They only want to know if some half educated cop suspected you of supporting a terrorist organisation. There is no jury to whom you can explain your actions – and which would be highly likely to sympathise.
I have seen it, as an offence of strict liability, likened to possession of Class A drugs. But actually it isn’t. The correct analogy would be a crime where the offence was arousing a suspicion you possessed Class A drugs, whether you actually had any or not.
The experience of watching 2,000 upstanding citizens, most of them elderly and many of them infirm, hustled through this slaughterhouse queue of mass justice and into prison, with little opportunity to defend themselves, will be a defining moment in the UK’s headlong slide into fascism.
The best available way to fight this ridiculously unjust process which has been directly opposed by the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Volker Turk, by Amnesty International and by Liberty, is through the legal challenge to an absurd and oppressive law. This is being done in both England and Scotland, which are separate jurisdictions. I am the “petitioner” in the Scottish case.
There are precedents for different decisions in the different jurisdictions. The Scottish courts found Boris Johnson’s prorogation of parliament illegal; the English courts, legal. Ultimately the Supreme Court decided in favour of the Scottish courts. It is also possible that Palestine Action should simply operate legally in one jurisdiction and not the other – the law is frequently different in the two countries. The rationale of the legal case is explained here.
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Starmer is at present supporting Maccabi Tel Aviv fans right to attend Aston Villa.
He says that ‘Jews’ should not be banned from events, inferring the no Jew opposes the Israeli genocide, and that no Jews support the Villa. Badenoch too.
In light of this post, it does seem our political classes work wholly in Israel’s interests and against the interests of Britons
The reportage of that story is very weird. As I understand, and what was in initial reports, was that it’s just because the supporters of that particular team were extremely violent and racist at the recent Ajax match. Similar things apply to other teams of other nationalities where the supporters are violent, it’s nothing to do with the nationality in this case.
It’s interesting that when English football thugs got English teams banned from Europe that was represented by the British media and politicIans as being our fault. But today they are raging that the banning of Israeli fans is entirely unjust and blatantly racist. (Yet again expecting to be taken seriously as anti-racists).
It was widely reported that in the Amsterdam Arena Maccabi fans were singing, “There are no schools in Gaza, because all the children are dead!”
The way the PM concludes the decision simply MUST be due to antisemitism – without checking Maccabi’s historic hooliganism strewn background – is high order incompetence.
Jenrick and Badenoch are outraged by this decision too. The Tory party, in which Thatcher era grandee, Norman Tebbit, once suggested a cricket team test to evaluate the loyalty of immigrants. I think we can guess which team would Starmer, Jenrick and Badenoch would be supporting here.
Do these politicians really want the ban overturned? With all this publicity, you can only imagine the ‘warm’ Palestinian flag reception these Maccabi fans can expect. The policing costs will be insane.
More broadly, Russia are banned from sporting competitions and even more tenuously, many sporting bodies excluded Belarus from competitions, due to their diplomatic and military ties to Russia. During this time, Israel has tried to maintain friendly relations with the Kremlin(playing both sides as is typical), on top of conducting their genocidal campaign in Gaza, The real mystery to most citizens in the West, is how Israel have avoided financial and sporting sanctions? The double standards are so glaringly obvious it’s brought western govts into disrepute with their populations.
With respect, Goose, it is not incompetence. Starmer is a mouthpiece of the UK chapter of the Jewish Lobby.
‘ I think we can guess which team would Starmer, Jenrick and Badenoch would be supporting here…’
Nae dout..and they don’t even have a cricket team.
GM
Tebbit’s loyalty test applied to cricket, yep.
Imagine England vs Israel in a football tournament though.
Reckon Starmer, often pictured during tournament games in the England shirt, would suddenly be very camera shy. And as for Jenrick, we can easily surmise who he’d be rooting for.
There is some evidence that local anti-semites (not neccessariy Ajax fans) were co-ordinating a ‘Jew Hunt’ by social media in the days before the match.
There are enough videos of Maccabi fans to know their behaviour is far from impeccable. Just the videos of their aggressive chanting alone, is enough to condemn as provocation. The way UK politicians are racing to defend them, as if they’re innocents abroad, is sickening to behold.
We’ve seem similar sycophancy from German politicians, for whom no Israeli crime could ever be too great, but the apologetics are nearly as bad in the UK. Zionism, and the belief Israel can do no wrong, after Jewish populations in Europe were victims of historic wrongs themselves, really is like a mind virus among western elites.
As some random stated on X. The govt are fighting to overturn this ban with all levels of the govt involved. Why? when seemingly done with the full knowledge, that with all this controversy publicity, there could well be lots of trouble and violence? Unless, the aim is to present that in the media as evidence Palestine flag-associated antisemitism.
If so, that’s so cynical.
I agree, suspect they loathe England and in their own way think nations are primitive and that populations should be controlled and manipulated by a ruling class. The ruling class would include starmer course.
It’s not just Starmer. The entire British establishment is valorizing extreme racist Israeli Maccabi thugs. It shows exactly how far Zionism has corrupted our institutions. The judicial system being no exception as Craig demonstrates in this article.
Here’s Lib Dem Mr Nice Guy Tim Farron:
“‘We’re not banning them because they’re Jewish, it’s because they’re hooligans…’ is the risible defence for the ban from people who know nothing about football or hooliganism, but are desperate not to acknowledge or admit their own racism. This is a stain on Britain.”
https://x.com/timfarron/status/1978919554605523135
Good spot, zoot – Lib Dims, too. I know a bit about football and one of the things I know is that, on the same night that Villa are set to host the Maccabees, AS Roma will play the Huns in the same tournament, but Roma fans have been banned from Ibrox after being involved in recent riots in Nice. Can anyone find any tweets from Tim* (or any other MPs) condemning that particular decision as being racist against Italians?
* When it comes to Tim and football, all you need to know is that, despite being born and raised in Preston, he supports Blackburn Rovers.
I’d forgotten he existed to be honest. This is what made him break cover. Bizarre times.
Thanks for your reply, zoot. I must admit I didn’t have Tim Farron defending football hooliganism*, and accusing those calling it out of knowing ‘nothing about football’, on my 2025 bingo card. As if that wasn’t enough, his boss Ed Davey has been tweeting along similar lines:
https://x.com/EdwardJDavey/status/1978925184837894152
As you say, considering that many of their voters are fairly pro-Palestine – and that one of their most prominent MPs is actually (half-)Palestinian – it really is bizarre. I wonder whether Mossad is using their browsing histories against them.
* Apparently, this is an actual Maccabees chant: “We’ll take your daughters, who love to go wild. When we rape them, we’ll shout: today death!”. I doubt whether even the most deranged ****-you-we’re-Millwall types could come up with anything like that.
Or, going by this follow-up tweet, could it be that Tim Nice-but-Dim MP genuinely believes that Maccabees supporters are at risk of anti-semitic attacks from the remnants of Tommeh Waxy-Lemon’s EDL?
https://x.com/timfarron/status/1978920859969495394
If so, he really needs to start paying more attention:
https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/1979240504299511912
Surely, you mean anti-catholic rather than anti- Italian, as a direct comparison.
The grievance form indebted politicians is that it’s anti-jewish, not anti-Israeli.
Israel has worked very hard to broaden the terms of antisemitism, quite successfully, I might add.
Thanks for your reply Breastplate. No, I didn’t – unlike Catholicism, Judaism is an ethnicity as well as a religion. If your mother is/was Jewish, you will be Jewish until the day you die – it doesn’t matter what you happen to believe about metaphysics.
ZIonist Bullshit. Judaism is a belief system not an ethnic group. It’s disgusting to push this foul Zionist Trope, not the first instance of you pushing such guff, I might add.
I won’t thank you for that reply CP. Type ‘judaism meaning’ into a well-known, popular search engine, and the first result from Oxford Languages is:
Judaism (noun):
– the monotheistic religion of the Jewish people
– *the Jewish people collectively* [my emphasis]
By ‘foul Zionist Trope’ & ‘guff’, do you mean the dictionary definition? (By the way, proper anti-zionists never write the word ‘zionist’ with an initial capital – even at the start of a sentence).
It’s disgusting to platform Zionist tropes. People are the same regardless of belief. Being Jewish means someone who is a follower of Judaism.
I’m not debating you, or discussing it. It’s foul hatred which has no place in society. Zionism is poison, and its prevalence in online media in English means little.
Judaism is a belief system, sole and entire, it’s not an ethnicity. That dishonest conflation is a disgusting trope which is Genocide Apologism in its most milquetoast form.
I’ve pulled you up on your stuff before. I’ve no desire to repeat it. There is a live streamed Genocide continuing while you spew Zionist bs.
Question time, per normal, was comprehensively full of support for the PM and the Israelis and Maccabi United. However, in Any Answers to follow only two callers supported Starmer, everyone else was right behind the police recommendations and completely opposed to Starmer and the QT cheerleaders. Starmer’s supporters could barely string a sentence together and the host rigorously interrogated them – also unusually. Quite a success story for once.
CP: Zionism is a separate matter from the question of whether Judaism is a religion, an ethnicity, or both (which is the correct answer). There are many secular Jews who are Zionists, and some ultra-religious Jews who are pro-actively anti-zionist. The vast majority of Zionists in the world today are not Jewish – either by religion or ethnicity. These are simply statements of fact, and it is utterly ludicrous to claim that this is ‘Genocide Apologism’.
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Thanks for your reply Christopher. As I alluded to above, I’m baffled by the whole-hearted support for Israeli hooligans from across the UK’s political and media spectra. I wauld have expected it to have been largely confined to Reform UK, Jenrick, maybe a couple of Tory backbenchers & GB News, with most politicos going down the “it’s-an-operational-decision-taken-by-the=police” fence-sitting line. Polling by YouGov indicated public support for the ban, with 42% for, 28% against, and the rest undecided.
Enjoy the rest of the weekend.
NO! These institutions are using zionism as a fig-leaf.
36 minutes! Every few years, when capitalism has failed the majority again, for the sake of a few, liberals show their true colours and get all ‘fashy’ and authoritarian. Starmer, Snow and all the others who know full well how immoral their conduct has been will probably never face charges unfortunately. But if they do, I hope its like Nuremberg. I hope defendants Starmer and co get a similar 36 minutes to explain why they assisted crimes against humanity (including prosecuting these protestors) and I hope they get the same punishment the convicted Nazis did.
Liberals are fascists in cardigans.
The decision (to ban Maccabi fans) was backed by West Midlands Police, who said they had classed the match as high risk based on “current intelligence and previous incidents, including violent clashes and hate crime offences” during a Maccabi Tel Aviv versus Ajax match in Amsterdam last year.
In a post on X, Starmer said: “This is the wrong decision. We will not tolerate antisemitism on our streets. The role of the police is to ensure all football fans can enjoy the game, without fear of violence or intimidation.”
“We will not tolerate antisemitism on our streets” (Starmer). The logical end result here is to ban the antisemitic Aston Villa fans and only allow Maccabi fans into the stadium. This would allow the Maccabi fans to rampage around the city, chanting ‘death to Arabs’ and ‘there are no schools in Gaza because all the children are dead’. the rampage recorded in Amsterdam is what Starmers government including Lisa Nandy apparently want. This government are Psychopathic Genocide supporters and must be overthrown
The other consideration is, or should be, that all these Israeli ‘fans’ will have served in the IDF or be currently serving. So, the reality is that the government wishes to welcome the blood soaked implementors of genocide, in the name of sport.
Well fuck off, these animals shouldn’t be allowed outside of Israel, unless it’s to take them to the Hague.
Stevie Boy
I read that these ‘football fans ‘ were paid for by some underground figures or group in Israel and I agree many of them have served or are serving in the IDF.
Ronny Rosenthal played for Liverpool as a striker.
He was never referred to as being a ‘ Jewish ‘ striker quite rightly.
He was referred to an Israeli International player.
Tottenham are not banned from away games and they have a massive Jewish fan base so, where’s the anti semitism there.
As usual no -nothing Starmer understands nothing nor do the media.
Apparently the Surveillance flights have stopped for now over Gaza.
Until it all starts off again – which it will.
Complete with a Gazan/Palestinian Civil War.
Trump and Netanyahu are just waiting until they can smuggle enough of the Idlib ISIS real terrorists into Gaza.
Like they did in Syria.
Hence the ‘ Ceasefire’
“Tottenham are not banned from away games and they have a massive Jewish fan base so, where’s the anti semitism there.”
If it really was anti-semitism, Villa wouldn’t be playing the Maccabees in the first place. I suppose the logical thing to do now is for everyone but the Maccabees fans to boycott the game. Alternatively, or as well, if the Maccabees fans chant hateful things, Villa could stop trying.
Gets me how they are referred to as Jews first and foremost by politicians and the media, as if the fact they are Jewish is their defining characteristic. That betrays their own suppressed antisemitism; as to most ordinary people, they are just football fans who happen to be Israeli then Jewish, in that order, and… not all of them may even be Jewish.
These politicians, who are weaponising their faith today: Starmer, Mahmood, Ian Murray; Jenrick and Badenoch, would these politicians do the same if say Turkish, Galatasaray fans were banned or Italian, Inter Milan fans? Would they say Muslim Football fans and Catholic football fans are being religiously discriminated against?
I think we know the answer : NO they wouldn’t.
We’re a lot like Germany, despite our different histories. The Israeli govt doesn’t discriminate between European countries that didn’t persecute Jews, and those that did. Between those that liberated them and offered safe haven, and those that didn’t. To Israel, it’s all just Europe’s collective guilt.
Germany has swung full pendulum : going from being obsessed with eliminating Jews; to being obsessed with shielding Israel from any and all international criticism today.
Both extremes are wrong and harmful, clearly. Why Germany can’t find a sensible equilibrium is a mystery? The politicians seem terrified of being called out as anti-Semitic. It may take an AfD govt to get this self-flagellating guilt trip out of their political system. In September, German Chancellor Friedrich Merz was in tears as he gave an speech celebrating the reopening of the synagogue in Munich. How many generations is the guilt going to continue for?
Tommy Robinson will attend the Maccabi Tel Aviv game in Birmingham next month and sit among the Israeli fans! He vowed to never be silent when Jews are under attack!
Tommy will also attend a Betar Jerusalem game Monday during his visit to Israel! – official a/c from X
This is who the PM and Labour ministers are aligning themselves with. The road to power for Reform will be unwittingly paved by the people currently in power.
Mark Cutts: Starmer’s actions, like the media’s can’t be explained by a lack of understanding. They understand the issues all right and they understand perfectly what they are doing and why.
Zionist Fascists in gifted suits.
Re: ‘would these politicians do the same if say Turkish, Galatasaray fans were banned or Italian, Inter Milan fans?’
No need for such hypotheticals, Goose. We already have a current example: See my above comment vis-a-vis AS Roma (many of whose supporters are not just Catholics, but Catholics hailing from the seat of the Pontifex). Can’t find any tweets about that by any of those people you listed.
No, it’s the other way round, they’re using the lie that there’s anything Jewish about the zionist occupation of Palestine to persecute anyone who dissent from the state’s diktat. This football team is from zionist occupied Palestine ergo none of the support can be Jewish, since zionism is the antithesis of Judaism.
It is the Jewish Zionists who are doing all the murdering, starving, raping and torturing.
The Starmers and the Farrons are supporting and enabling these crimes, but not physically committing them.
There aren’t any Jewish zionists, zionism is apostasy.
I have never heard even the most militantly anti-zionist Jews – people like Max Blumenthal, Aaron Mate etc – make this claim. In fact I have never heard anybody claim it. Except you.
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You, for some reason, cannot come to terms with the fact that many Jews are zionists. Technical arguments ignore the bloody obvious reality – many Jews ARE zionists. I raise a cup of urine to your efforts though !
Squeeth, I humbly suggest that, at some time convenient for you, you might want to use the discussion forum to write a short glossary to explain, once and for all, the way in which you use – but literally no-one else on Earth uses! – the words “Zionism” and “Jew[ish]”. It would save time and confusion, for readers of this blog (and for readers of The Lifeboat News).
That might also be the place for a wider discussion of what the word “Jew[ish]” means – because I have always found it confusing. My confusion didn’t matter much to me until quite recently, but the way in which Zionist terror gang apologists systematically and cynically exploit the ambiguity of the term is disturbing in a seriously dangerous way, unlike your mischievous gadfly attacks.
It isn’t recondite, ‘Jew’ is the antithesis of ‘zionist’.
You mean the two words are antonyms? No-one uses them in that way. Nor is it even logically possible to do so, because it would imply that I, for example, am a Jew, just because I am not a Zionist! The most you could conceivably claim is that the meanings of the words are logically incompatible. They’re not, of course; and to try to argue that they are, you would have to appeal to widely agreed meanings of both words. You never do that, preferring to disrupt purposeful discussions with pointless sniping. That’s why I suggested moving the topic to the discussion forum; and I won’t pursue it any further here, because I’m only making matters worse. But try to stop being so silly!
@Twirlp,
@Squeeth is correct. Judaism and Zionism are indirect contraction to one another.
Hence you end up with the ridiculous attempt to suggest a Polish Atheist is Jewish by ethnicity not a Slavic Atheist with the same ethnicity as his Catholic neighbour in Warsaw.
There are quite a few basic tenants of Judaism that Zionism violates, which cause the Zionists to clash with Jews who opposed their project almost uniformly
https://www.jpost.com/features/in-thespotlight/this-week-in-history-herzl-rabbis-clash-on-zionism
To this day, Actually Jewish Jews are opposed to Zionism, including Palestinian Jews who amazingly don’t look remotely like the originated in Europe.
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/samaritans-of-the-resistance-nader-sadaqa-a-palestinian-jewish-prisoner-freed-by-israel/
Zionism is actually Protestant Restorationism, given a lick of paint by an Austrian Racial supremacist inspired by the Colonial thinking in German Romantic Nationalist literary circles. Globally most Zionists who identify as deists are Christians such as
https://novaramedia.com/2025/02/20/the-icjs-new-acting-president-is-a-christian-zionist-what-does-that-mean-for-israel/ or Biden
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/05/12/joe-biden-a-proud-zionist-since-1973_6671216_4.html.
There are no Jewish Zionists as like Halal Bacon, it’s inherently contradictory.
CabbagePatch01:
Do bears shit in the woods? Of course! Is the Pope a Catholic? Of course! Is the Chief Rabbi Jewish? No, you say?
That’s exactly as silly as all those Zionist Jews who keep accusing anti-Zionist Jews of not being real Jews.
But please, if you really want to argue about it, use the discussion forum. It’s too much of a distraction from this, the first thread in the first page of comments. I regret becoming involved at all. But I will check the discussion forum.
(Admittedly, this whole thread is itself a distraction from the topic of the Starmer courts! But that’s not a very good excuse for us making it even worse.)
The Titles of a Zionist organization, has nothing to do with Judaism.
Religious people take their faith seriously, you are simply accepting the Zionist Frame, which uses Judaism as a rhetorical shield.
Jews are people who follow Judaism, it’s not an election; you just believe in God and follow the rules, several of which explicitly prohibit Zionism.
It’s really basic, either you believe in God so can’t be a Zionist, or you are not an follower of Judaism.
You cannot make Halal Bacon, you can make streaky, crispy bacon, but not Halal Bacon, and in the same vein, the US backed Zionist State Terrorist group, are not Jews, ”
“Better a Living Judeo-Nazi Than a Dead Saint” https://www.jstor.org/stable/2536162
(Sigh.)
No true Jew is a Zionist, is that what you’re saying?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
Please give it a rest! And will someone please shoot me in the head? Any holidaying IDF members here? Thank you in advance.
Exactly, Twirlip.
@Squeeth, @CabbagePatch01 – your challenges about the semantics shouldn’t distract from the political issues under discussion here. Kindly argue your case in the discussion forum.
Check out my article on the Maccabi Tel Aviv hooligans here: https://www.academia.edu/144357070/Western_complicity_in_Israeli_propaganda_lies_the_extraordinary_story_of_the_Maccabi_Tel_Aviv_football_hooligans_in_Amsterdam
“He says that ‘Jews’ should not be banned from events, inferring the no Jew opposes the Israeli genocide, and that no Jews support the Villa.”
I wonder, are there any Jews amongst the two thousand people about to be kangaroo-courted? If so, could they be persuaded to claim that their arrest is anti-Semitism?
By actively seeking to let israeli hooligans in, it seems that Starmer is using the topic of antisemitism to further crackdown on the pro-palestinian movement.
Thus the plan is to:
1. Inviting israeli hooligans
2. The israeli hooligans clash with pro-palestinian protesters in the street
3. The clash is framed as an assault on jews
4. Keir condemn pro-palestinians and their “antisemitism” and promise further crackdown against the pro-palestinian movement
Fascists have often used this type this method of “Strategy of tension”
“A strategy of tension (Italian: strategia della tensione) is a political policy where violent struggle is encouraged rather than suppressed. The purpose is to create a general feeling of insecurity in the population and make people seek security in a strong government. “
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension
“Fascists have often used .. this method of “Strategy of tension””
Jonathan Freedland shows how Donald Trump is using this method in the USA:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/oct/17/donald-trump-president-peace-civil-war-national-guard
Interesting how even when an obviously local issue arises, when Zionist fingers click the “British” prime minister has to jump forward and quack something. Saw it too with Boris Johnson when some orthodox Jews on a bus on Oxford Street abused Muslims (who also abused them) on the pavement, and – shock horror – the BBC reported that at least one Jew had used a racial slur.
It seems many many years ago now that the Guardian style guide had an entry for the word “goy”, which it said was racist just like “P***” and should be avoided.
Most of those fascist Maccabi-supporting thugs will be ex-army, although that may be stating the obvious.
At the same time Starmer states that British citizens who have served in the IDF will be arrested on return to the UK for having served in the armed forces of a foreign country. It’s a start, I suppose. Perhaps ban any Maccabi fans who have served too?
Who is surprised, concerned fan Andrew Fox that want Macabee-hooligans to be allowed to come, turns out to be a jewish zionist, ex-army that was awarded by World ZIonist Organisation in 2024!
‘Concerned’ footie fan actually ex-army disinfo expert honoured by World Zionist Organisation
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2025/10/18/andrew-fox-concerned-footie-fan-actually-ex-army/
I’ve written to the Midlands Police via their web page congratulating them on their action and asking them to stand firm.
(a) All the best with the court cases opposing excessive anti-terrorist legislation, on both sides of the border.
(b) There remains one more recourse in a democracy: kick out the ruling party at the next election and elect candidates committed to repealing the legislation. There could be many “new party” or independent candidates next time. The “red wall” across the UK could get hundreds of holes drilled through it!
(c) I understand that the West Midlands Police banned Maccobi Tel Aviv fans because of the risk of hooliganism, given the events in Amsterdam. I support their decision.
Besides, the genocide in Gaza proves that the apartheid state of Israel has become a genocidal state, comparable with Nazi Germany, and therefore should be made an international pariah in all cultural fields including sport and Eurovision.
You can only do (b) in a democracy….
Of course. Be nice if we actually had one.
The exit referendum was democratic….;O)
The main problem with b) is that the “commitment” to repeal the legislation is liable to disappear quite fast once the election is over.
The irony of Starmer recognising a Palestinian state and at the same time not recognising or condemning the genocide meted out to that same state by Israel.
He recognises the right of the disgraceful quisling Mahmoud Abbas to come to 10 Downing street for a photo shoot when he’s asked.
I wonder what would happen if Britain said its consulate general in Jerusalem was now an embassy to Palestine. Not that that would happen.
Isn’t this simply a redux of the now repealed ‘Sus Laws’??
It’s good that Huda Ammori’ appeal against the banning of Palestine Action is being allowed to proceed, against the official attempts to throw it out.
Justice Snow should save even more time by going full Alice in Wonderland and starting with the verdict, which, of course, will be “guilty”.
Senior Civil servant (outraged) : “Minister, you can’t put pressure on a judge!”
Minister: “Well, what do we do then?”
Senior civil servant: “You pick a judge that doesn’t need any pressure putting on him”
(From “Yes, Minister”)
A similar line I faintly recall from Dad’s Army: “we gave the fuzzy wuzzies a fair trial, before we hung them”.
A supposed human rights lawyer PM overseeing a reintroduction of something akin to an English version of Northern Irish Diplock courts. The Diplock courts are the poster child for legal/judicial human rights abuses; they literally feature in most law examinations on how not to conduct justice :
Lack of Fairness
• Conveyor-Belt Justice: the system leads to rushed trials and unfair outcomes, often described as “conveyor-belt justice.”
• Forced Confessions: There are allegations that the courts accept confessions obtained under duress, which defendants later retract.
Judicial Bias
• Intellectual Gymnastics: Judges are required to disregard inadmissible evidence, which some believe compromises their ability to make impartial decisions.
• Case Hardening: Concerns exist that judges may become biased against defendants due to the nature of the cases they handle.
Human Rights Concerns
• Political Influence: The system has been criticized for being influenced by political pressures, particularly regarding the backgrounds of defendants.
• Historical Context: The courts were initially justified by the need to protect jurors from intimidation, but this rationale has been challenged as the system has persisted for decades.
You might notice a correlation of summary convictions and immunity to prosecution amongst the boss class….
Full on Banana Republic.
Contribution on the way.
BBC: The government has failed in its attempt to block a challenge against its decision to ban Palestine Action under terrorism laws. Huda Ammori also won a second related application to expand her case in November, to present wider grounds to the High Court about why she says the ban is unlawful:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9dg5v43vmo
Given that the racist thugs who will come at the invitation of Starmer and co will now believe that they have some kind of special Jewish immunity (as do most zionists), then I expect they will gleefully kick off big time. Then there will be a media storm about how the poor little lambs were attacked by ‘antisemites’ – as was the ludicrous and false media narrative in Amsterdam. That is always their MO.
Ergo, Starmer is inciting and inviting violence – which in this case must be called ‘terrorism’, because when zionists thugs meet resistance from decent people, their opponents are deemed terrorists. Well done, lickspittle and lackey for Israel Starmer. Zionism believes in making a bonfire of human rights in Europe and America, to mirror their own contempt for them in Israel and the countries surrounding them. And the media laps it up. The rights of Britons be damned.
Yes. And, of course I’m sure there are a number of new civil rights restrictions under preparation, just waiting for ‘the match’.
‘Fuck the arabs’ the fanatical macabee-fans shouted time and time again last year when they were in Amsterdam rioting. What does yelling ‘fuck the arabs’ have to do with soccer? Of course nothing, because these are not fans but in effect state-backed agent provocateur that love to create chaos in western societies, they want to create and widen this divide amongst people here between pro-palestinians and pro-israelis. It is so obvious what israelis are up to:
Video from Amstersdam https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_HRUV86bVa0
Video from Tel Aviv airport: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kbFiWwY6dYw
How come a brit yelling “fuck the arabs” are going to be arrested for hate speech (as it should be) but israelis could come here and commit the same hate-crime and the police will do nothing about it and the Labour PM will even fight for them to come here!?
Just change the word arab to jew here, of course Starmer would not back arab soccer “fans” yelling “fuck the jews”. But spreading racism against arabs is fine.
On the topic, the violent crackdown against pro-palestinians in Germany get criticised by UN human rights experts:
UN experts urge Germany to end ‘criminalisation, suppression’ of Palestinian solidarity activism
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20251016-un-experts-urge-germany-to-end-criminalisation-suppression-of-palestinian-solidarity-activism/
But who cares right. Certainly not the western MSM that did not cover it.
‘Fuck the arabs’ is just one of their chosen torture methods, an ancient Judaic custom I believe.
Stevie Boy
Speaking of Arabs Trump the narcissistic sociopath that he is – has hinted that Saudi Arabia – is ready to join the Abraham Accords – and join the likes of the UAE and Bahrain, who have already joined.
Trump lies like an ‘Israeli’, as well as speaking before engaging brain. I don’t put much store in what he says; however, the Saudi ‘government’ are obnoxious particularly MBS (Mr Bone Saw) and would be happy to jump into bed with Israel, IMO, to gain acceptance/respect in the west whether their citizens would allow it is another matter.
Republicofscotland
Unfortunately it may be true, after all it was Jared Kushner that helped craft the “20 points” deal not to mention, Kushner is perhaps the main actor behind the so called “Abrahams Accord”. Saudis themselves keep half-denying that a normalization is in the mix.
Saudi royal source: Normalization with Israel possible with different gov’t
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-870235
Just some years ago the arab leaders said that normalization with israel is only possible when there is a palestinian state established instead they have obviously drifted away from that demand and instead they keep lowering and lowering the threeshold themselves. Such traitors.
Palestinians returning from Israeli detention state that they are stripped naked and sodomised with sticks. Bodies that have been returned show evidence of torture and summary execution as well as organ removal. TRT provides interviews and less sanitised news reporting. The fact that many Jews are utterly repelled by the actions of the Israeli settlers and serving IDF needs to be heard too. Not all Jews are depraved and inhuman like the rabid Zionists whose absence of humanity and compassion deems them unfit for polite society.
That is however an observation that is irrelevant to banning supporters of Away Games where violence off the pitch is deemed a risk to Home Team supporters. Risk assessments are the norm and decisions are based on evidence of previous concerns. France completely encircled the entire neighbourhood of the stadium in Paris, for that match, with armed police, and advised all Muslim or dark skinned taxi drivers to take a few days off work and stay several miles away for the duration of the visit by the Israelis. They were checked onto their return flights after the match in Paris. So what on earth does Starmer think is the sensible decision for the UK? Because he certainly is not acting rationally.
It’s only a game. Let them play it without an audience entirely to ensure safety for the city and everyone in it.
“TRT World
A top health official in Gaza said signs of torture, burns, and organ theft were found on the bodies of Palestinian detainees returned by Israel under a ceasefire and prisoner exchange agreement.
Munir al-Bursh, Director General of Gaza’s Health Ministry, wrote on X platform that the bodies were “bound like animals, blindfolded, and bearing horrific signs of torture and burns.”
He said some bodies “were emptied of organs and stuffed with cotton and fabric, while corneas, kidneys, and even a liver were stolen.”
“The bodies of innocent Palestinians were left as a witness to the executioners’ brutality, as they did not die a natural death but were executed after being bound and and held for months in Israeli morgues,” al-Bursh said.
Health officials and relatives of the dead are struggling to identify some of the bodies due to the severe disfigurement and missing parts caused by torture and burns. Israel handed over the 120 bodies of Palestinians through the Red Cross without names, only marked with numbered codes.
The Palestinian Prisoners’ Media Office described the findings as evidence of “a systematic criminal practice by the occupation.”
Both offices called for an urgent international investigation, describing it as a “full-fledged war crime” and violations of international humanitarian law.
Israel currently keeps the bodies of 735 Palestinian prisoners, including 67 children, the Palestinian National Campaign for the Retrieval of Martyrs’ Bodies said.”
“Starmer … is not acting rationally.” I disagree.
Once you understand that Starmer is just a puppet of the security services and Tel Aviv, then it’s clear that he is acting rationally.
Let’s see what happens after ‘the match’ (6th Nov) then it will be clear what the plan was.
Another anti-Semitic report trying to downplay the humanitarian actions of gods chosen ones !
‘Human rights monitors and medical experts have condemned the conditions of 120 Palestinian bodies handed over by Israel to Gaza, noting that many of the remains show “clear evidence” of torture and the possibility of organ theft.
The Government Media Office in Gaza said that official examinations showed that most of the Palestinian bodies retrieved indicated systematic torture, field executions and crushings. ‘
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/outcry-after-israel-returns-palestinian-bodies-horrific-condition-gaza
Random thoughts:
1. It is hardly surprising that the German government puts the interests of Israel ueber alles. After all, the Germans are connoisseurs genocide.
2. Nor is it surprising that Russia and China are somewhat reticent about the Occupying Entity’s genocide. After all, they have both practiced versions of genocide against their own people.
3. No one should be surprised if the Occupying Agent included some agents provocateurs in the Maccabi fans. After all, it is a speciailist in deception and provocation.
4. Finally, no one should be surprised if the police, faced by violent Maccabi fans, were not to proceed with any arrests for hate speech and/or racially aggravated assault. That is because it is impossible that Israelis could commit those offences; to take action against them would be blatant anti-semitism.
“they have both practiced versions of genocide against their own people.”
Not you, too! Do you believe everything the Israeli government says about the genocide in Gaza?
What a strange question :I believe virtually nothing the Occupying Entity says about Gaza.
What do you mean by “Not you, too!” ?
“What do you mean by “Not you, too!” ?”
You appeared to be giving credence to the Western propaganda of the Chinese government’s genocide of the Uyghur people.
Oh, I see what you meant. But no, I was thinking more of things like the Great Famine and the Great Leap Forward. Apologies for inadvertently misleading!
“I was thinking more of things like the Great Famine and the Great Leap Forward.”
Those, like the so-called Holodomor, were caused more by doctrinaire misapplication of agricultural techniques than a deliberate genocide.
@Luis – Against whom has the Russian government committed genocide in your opinion?
I should of course have said “the Soviet Union” and not Russia – apologies!
@Luis – So who did the Soviet government commit genocide against in your opinion?
I was wondering whether you might know about an indigenous people in Siberia that I hadn’t heard of. But as far as I know, the Soviet government didn’t commit genocide against anyone, although there were certainly mass deportations aimed at people of specific ethnicities, and we all know it caused many millions of deaths. But genocide – no.
” as far as I know, the Soviet government didn’t commit genocide against anyone, although there were certainly mass deportations aimed at people of specific ethnicities, and we all know it caused many millions of deaths. ”
Your concept of genocide might be different but in international law just the targeting of a group based on their ethnicity, race or religion is genocide.
https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition
In which case the Soviet Union is guilty of several counts of genocide.
https://www.hoover.org/research/stalins-genocides
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_by_the_Soviet_Union
Another gaslighting intervention from a fan of the most shameless political and media practitioners of the art.
Are you aware that your neoliberal Labour Right heroes have been providing arms, surveillance and military training to an apartheid state — fully aware that it’s butchering a trapped population of mostly women and children?
Have you finally thought of anything you think can justify your own government’s involvement in this somewhat more contemporary and indisputable genocide?
Or is it going to be your usual?
The high-principled silence of the *true* human rights man.
“In which case the Soviet Union is guilty of several counts of genocide.”
Quite possibly, but it doesn’t help when your first link is to a US propaganda outfit and the list Wikipedia article kicks off with something that, while regrettable, was quite clearly not genocide. It does tend to show up the author’s biases.
” Are you aware that your neoliberal Labour Right heroes have been providing arms, surveillance and military training to an apartheid state. ”
Which has exactly what to do with the Soviet Union?
Bayard; try playing the ball and not the man.
https://www.wsws.org/en/special/pages/topics/moscow-trials-political-genocide-ussr.html
@Pears – I don’t care for the Hoover Institution or Wikipedia, and it’s really not impressive to act like a phone-junkie 12yo telling another 12yo to look something up on the internet like you just did. What’s your or @Luis’s best crack at a people that the Soviet government tried to commit genocide against? Please just name me one or two that you think fit the bill, and say why you think so in a few sentences. The floor is yours. If Ukraine or the Crimean Tartars are among them, then you will just be taking the piss.
I probably already know far more than you do about the experiences of different peoples in the USSR, as well as about the Stalin period including the terror against both “intellectuals” and peasants, but I have an open mind so I am willing to be educated if you think there’s any basis in the genocide allegation, rather than it just being a rude word you throw at a regime that didn’t kowtow to Wall Street.
The Evenks for example (who gave the world the word “shaman”) had a very tough time, with life expectancy at birth once going under 30 if I recall, but as far as I know there was no attempt to wipe them out, either by committing mass murder or by stopping them reproducing (as with the Taters in Norway and Inuits in Denmark’s colony of Greenland).
The Soviet labour camps were brutal, but the USSR simply did not have any equivalents of Auschwitz or Jasenovac.
“Bayard; try playing the ball and not the man.”
If it comes from a propaganda outfit, it’s likely to be propaganda. That’s a reasonable assumption, no? or are you trying to maintain that only Russia does propaganda and that everything that comes from Western sources is de facto the unvarnished truth?
I’ll remember that quote for next time you dismiss something as “Russian disinformation”.
I suggest people, especially Pears Morgaine actually read the Hoover Institution link, which refutes rather than supports his claim that Stalin’s USSR committed genocide according to international law. 🙂
The point of the article is that the Soviets successfully insisted on a legal definition of genocide drafted to exclude things that the Soviets had done/ were accused of.
A general point on how and why to read such US sources. US political controversy is often but not always (that’s the problem) a fight to the death between two sides pressing the others sides case. E.g. Unions in pitched battle with the government, the unions fighting for lower wages and longer working hours. AFAIK, that’s unique in the world.
The locus classicus for the proper philosophical understanding is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_Fire (Duck Season, Wabbit Season). Bugs Bunny tricks Daffy Duck into insisting it is Duck Season and gets Elmer Fudd to fire at him, Daffy. Etc etc in that vein. But eventually, Comrades Bugs & Daffy unite because it has become Elmer Season – Elmer Fudd being of course the symbol for the haute bourgeoisie in the Loony Tunes universe.
It can’t become Elmer Season again soon enough.
Luis Cunha da Silva
A couple of questions, given the “Uighyr Genocide” is one of the main DC talking points deployed to demonize China and advance WW3:
What is the latest overall body count in the Uighyr Genocide?
How does it compare with the number of Syrian minorities beheaded by Uighyrs in the past 24 hours (let alone the last year)?
Hello there, Zoot! See my reply to Bayard, above.
Well done, Craig!
Super article.
Let’s hope the Scottish courts come to the correct decision (but am not confident they will)!
Stay well..and Happy Birthday
This particular crowdfund web page seems to me particularly difficult to complete and ended up with my card issuer rejecting my payment. Does this happen to others? BB.
“Narcissist” is judge Michael Snow’s word for “person who hasn’t done and thought exactly what he was told, throughout his entire pathetic excuse for a life, like Michael Snow”. I wonder what this plonker would be like in a conflict when he didn’t have the state behind him.
In other news, a good guess for why the CPS dropped the spying charges against Christopher Berry and Christopher Cash is because they were told to, so as not to embarrass the British “king” (he of Qatari money bags fame).
The Chinese official alleged to have been in charge of the espionage, Cai Qi, chief of staff to president Xi Jinping, is a known associate of “Prince Andrew”, whose “I won’t call myself a duke any more” letter contained a denial of unspecified allegations.
…Saying you won’t call yourself a duke – the state of the art British move, year 2025, for when the abuse of internationally trafficked child sex slaves isn’t the most damaging accusation against you…
Dominic Cummings is getting some kicks in, regarding the Chinese embassy. He’s trying to damage relations between the British and USA regimes. I get the feeling that somebody might get hurt in connection with the China-Britain story, fairly soon.
Incidentally the MSM routinely report the Chinese embassy site as being “near the Tower of London”. F*ck the Tower of London. What’s more important is its location close to the City of London, not its location close to the crown jewels.
Mind you, someone could probably weave the words “Traitors’ Gate” into an article. That would be funny.
In case people think I’m going off on one, Cummings has also been succouring favour with the SAS, saying the poor darlings are being oppressed by “lawfare”.
This is destabilisation at a very high level.
“They only want to know if some half educated cop suspected you of supporting a terrorist organisation.”
The suspicion has to be “reasonable”.
It is not like detaining people at ports of entry and demanding they hand over passwords under Schedule 7, which doesn’t require reasonable suspicion.
On the subject of legal/judicial shenanigans, what do we reckon is going on in the alleged China spying story? The two men accused having seen their prosecution fall apart, claim they’ve been left in a kind of limbo. Cash and Berry have maintained their innocence throughout the proceedings, with Cash describing the experience as a “nightmare” for him and his family. Unable to prove their innocence yet tarred with the negative brush of spying’ their future prospects look poor. The fact they “want [their] day in court” suggests to me they aren’t in fact spies at all. As would any genuine spy, having seen a case collapse, not simply thank their lucky stars and flee the country?
A more cynical view : Are they simply being used as patsies to further ramp up hostilities against China and embed the otherwise unjustified ‘adversary’ designation? The Telegraph, in an early report on this case, claimed the information allegedly given to China could’ve just as easily been obtained via a simple google search. If true, that simply doesn’t really meet the threshold definition of ‘spying’. It isn’t spying if someone tells China its raining in the UK.
Perhaps they wanted to subpoena Prince Andrew.
That isn’t a joke. See the collapse of the Paul Burrell trial. Something must have happened, and we don’t know what it is, and it seems likely that the CPS was given its orders at short notice. Could have been a move made by China. But it is certainly true that different rules apply in Britain whenever the royal family are concerned.
Prince Andrew is a scapegoat because he is a loose cannon. His and Fergie’s emails were not encrypted and have been put into the public domain. Andrew’s attempts to excuse his acceptance of Epstein’s hospitality, that included massages from a still teenage girl, has at least given Virginia Giuffre a platform, and her book should reveal much more about far less savoury clients she had to serve. Photos of naked teenage girls are being shown in the media and that is yet further abuse, even if the boobs and pubes and faces have been blacked out. They remain nameless, while photos of the men unclothed are not being published, though it is clear that Epstein collected a very comprehensive archive.
Happy Petie is the only one shown in his bathrobe so far, with his notes thanking Epstein for all his yummy friends also making their way into the media. No evidence of wrongdoing is intended or implied by this reference to his confidential correspondence.
Abuses of power need robust legal frameworks to address them if justice is to be seen to be done.
Yes. One theory would be that Andrew was an acceptable/easy sacrifice to distract from the other high profile politicians and billionaires who WERE involved with Epstein. The unfortunate Giuffre was probably ‘encouraged’ by the security services to make a fuss about Andrew, in the same way that Swedish woman were encouraged to stitch up Assange and Scottish women were encouraged to stitch up Salmond.
Not that Andrew was an innocent, but that has been known for decades, even pre-Fergy, suddenly it’s an issue. Hmm !
Collecting open source information for sending to a foreign government can qualify as spying.
Some of the info was supposed to be connected with a Tory leadership contest IIRC.
I recall a report some time ago that suggested the two guys were working on authorised low level joint research with the Chinese.
This spy story is complete politicised BS.
Meanwhile, the Israelis are involved in actual spying within the UK.
@ Stevie and Brian
Yes, one does start getting the impression that collecting open source information for a foreign government can qualify as spying, ie used to collar someone under that accusation.
Which, to my perhaps over-simple mind, seems not only ludicrous but also very sinister.
“Spying” for foreign powers – Germany, Poland, Japan, the UK, etc (but not at that time, curiously, the USA!) – was one of the accusations used to justify the trial and execution of various people, notably Soviet generals and marshals and foreign Communists, during the Stalinist purges of the late 1930s.
Do you know what law(s) in the UK covers espionage (real espionage, I mean)? Title(s), date(s) etc. I could imagine there is quite an old law and then some sinister, more recent additions or modifications to spread the net.
It’s the National Security Act, before which it was the Official Secrets Act.
Collecting open-source info was a feature of the 1970s “ABC” trial and other state action against Duncan Campbell. I think it may also have been a feature of the Spies for Peace brouhaha in the 1960s, but admittedly they did break into a “Regional Seat of Government” bunker and publish info they found there.
It’s not unusual for the definition of espionage to stretch to cover the gathering of open information.
Feels a bit like the Poll Tax years?
A government hopelessly out of touch with the people,
yet it carries on regardless with its insane policies.
…until the people take to the streets…
I admire your optimism and hope you are right.
More likely though that a mass taking to the streets, based on a feeling that the government is hopelessly out of touch, will be far-right racist. In 1990, it would have been impossible for a fascist like Tommy Robinson to lead a huge demo in London (or anywhere else in Britain) like the one he led in 2025. He probably wouldn’t have managed to get 100 supporters into Waterloo Station and out of it to wherever they wanted to demonstrate without getting their heads kicked in.
One possible weakness in the enemy armour is …. not the streets but … shops. It’s odd that the police often don’t come out to shoplifting calls nowadays, so store owners have to rely on their own muscle or turn a blind eye to the high level it’s currently at. Could this possibly give rise to mass “autoreduction” action in the relatively near future – people politicising the taking of things into their own hands in the fight against the “cost of living crisis”? Possibly…
tried to donate but state and phone number set to US
I found that too, but the Crowdfunder site itself works fine.
The risk assessment concluded a significant threat of violence if the Maccabi supporters were allowed to attend and the decision to ban them was certainly appropriate. We should not forget the risk to police officers too. I’m tempted to suggest should the game go ahead with Maccabi fans in Birmingham, officers in the West Midlands force should take a couple of days off.
The decision to ban the Maccabi fans seems to be motivated far more by the scenes of fascist thugs going on the rampage in Amsterdam than any plausible motive of antisemitism. Many of the thugs having direct involvement in the late and continuing genocide in Gaza Events in Amsterdam are ironic given that there is a book which details how Ajax helped to conceal Jews during the Nazi occupation of the Netherlands. Maybe there is an ongoing thread of anti-fascist sentiment among the Ajax fan base – for to be an anti-fascist today is to support Palestine and hate the apartheid state of Israel
Unfavourable discussion of American foreign policy is verboten in mainstream political and media circles. Hence no criticism allowed of Netanyahu or Zelenskyy, who are US stooges, or their countries, even in allegedly liberal organs like the Guardian, and no scrutiny of Nigel Farage or Brexit either – another US project. The obvious and well-documented links between the Brexit ringleaders and the United States are therefore hidden behind red herrings about Russia below the line. British football hooliganism in the 1980s is an interesting one with its definite whiff of the notorious ‘Strategy of Tension’ – and perhaps an element of Israeli fans are now being used in something of the same way?
Peace has come to Gaza, but here in Britain the war against Jews goes on – Danny Cohen, writing in the Telegraph
Danny Cohen is the former Director of the BBC 2013-2015, and before that Controller of BBC One, for three years. How did someone so seemingly obsessed with one issue, someone so ill-suited, attain such a position in the national broadcaster? Every piece he produces for the Telegraph, would have you believing – if you didn’t know better – that the UK resembles some late 1930s German hellscape for Jewish communities.
The BBC’s bias is a known known in Rumsfeld speak; inviting people like Priti Patel on Laura Kuenssberg’s Sunday morning political show is testimony to that. It isn’t by chance or accidental; Patel’s extreme Zionism and pro-Israel views are widely known, and thus someone invited her on purely in the expectation she’d push those views which she indeed did; views which Kuenssberg allowed her to promote, at length, unchallenged. It’s the same story across the BBC, on every political talk show. Zionists have political discussion in the UK, in something akin to a headlock. And the presenters are all bizarrely of the same faith, how can that be without design: The BBC’s political editor, Henry Zeffman; Laura Kuenssberg, Nick Robinson; Emma Barnett, Emily Maitlis, Mark Urban, Jo Coburn, Robert Peston. Where is the balance? Because were all these presenters Muslim and not Jewish, the newspapers wouldn’t stop screaming about the lack of diversity and the Islamification of the media.
Let’s not forget Raffi Berg, Mossad’s man at the BBC.
The people invited on all these shows and newspaper reviews, aren’t there to enlighten us, they are there to push certain narratives. The BBC has completely abandoned impartiality and become little more than a propaganda vehicle. Which makes all the more amusing their claim they’re independent of government; the every present threat to the licence fee, and the fact govt funds a third of the World Service budget, and it’s staff include people from the intelligence community, means we all know they have to toe the line. And private news media isn’t any better,
Widely reported that after Lachlan Murdoch won the succession race, he headed straight to Israel for a secret meeting with Netanyahu. All western media roads lead to, not Rome, but seemingly Tel Aviv.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/oct/18/suck-it-up-leaked-video-exposes-bitter-infighting-at-refor
Reform council leaked video…Are the dirty tricks starting already? If not someone from Reform, who secretly joined the chat and leaked it I wonder??? Expect a lot more of these hit pieces. I don’t like Reform, but I’d fully expect an establishment hatchet job on them at some point. If it’s the intel services they need to remember these people might end up with a huge majority and there are plenty for whom disbandment, would be an option.
And what is wrong with impassioned debate including swearing? No doubt Labour would kick people out of the party, but that authoritarian intolerance is why they are on 15% in the polls.
Some, including many a Guardian columnist, are desperate to preserve the rotten two-party FPTP system; a system that has done us untold damage. It’s because they don’t know any better and lack the abstract ability to imagine anything better. I think a Reform majority govt will be a disaster btw, but anything that undermines the two-party system is worth the risk.
” I don’t like Reform, but I’d fully expect an establishment hatchet job on them at some point”
Reform is a pseudo political party which will promote a more extreme version of the extreme of establishment politics.
Reform is just the latest version of the Tory Party, now that they have worn out its blue and red ones. Unburdened by what has been, they are free to carry on with the Tories’ principal activity, for which they were named, looting.
Question for lawyers: could the people facing a 36 minute travesty of a trial in which they are accused of a serious offence (terrorism) sue for a trial by jury?
OT Just seen Craig’s tweet about Corbyn and co doing it again
“God just seen Your Party’s appalling draft constitution. The bloody Labour Party mark 2.
The party Chair, Deputy Chair, Secretary, Treasurer, Political Officer and Spokesperson will not be elected by the membership but appointed by the Central Executive Committee.
Forget it.”
Being working-class, I’ve never supported the Liarbour Partei but I did leave a little optimism open that, even with that useless craven poltroon Corbyn involved, it might be better this time.
How does that answer my question, namely, could the people facing a 36 minute trial in which they are accused of terrorism offence sue for a trial by jury?
Will the Central Executive Committee be elected ?
You can take the man out of Labour, but you cant take Labour out of the Man.
Corbyn never wanted to leave Labour, and when they got shot of him, he didn’t want to form an alternative party.
The Peter principle: Corbyn is and always has been a back bench (Labour) MP.
If I understand correctly, your answer is ‘No’. Please correct me if that’s not the case.
I’m glad I asked for a lawyer’s explanation.
As no one else has, MJ, I’ll attempt to answer your question, even though I’m not a lawyer. I don’t think that in these cases the accused can ask for a jury, as the alleged offences are not triable either way and thus the trials are taking place in a magistrates’ court. Despite being accused of terrorism offences, these crimes aren’t viewed as particularly serious because the maximum sentence is only six months. I may be wrong, but I’m of the opinion that most of the protesters will be given a large fine, and only if they don’t pay will they go to jail. By the way, despite what our host has written, I think that the trials will last longer than 36 minutes because there are probably several courtrooms at Stratford Magistrates’ Court. Most probably, they will each take up a morning or an afternoon.
“Cambridge Uni – has expelled a Palestinian girl student from her accommodation after an Israeli soldier who committed genocide in Gaza complained to them he doesn’t feel safe. ”
The English Zionist MSM is besides itself with rage – that a Zionist football teams fans, are not allowed to attend a game that coming up with an English club, the Zionist team in question is Maccabi Tel Aviv.
This Zionist team shouldn’t be allowed to play in any competitions period – with the Zio-Monster committing genocide – but the British government answers to its Zionist masters, and is desperately trying to get the decision to stop the Zionist fans attending the game overturned.
Perfidious Albion in action.
No it bloody doesn’t, the zionist antisemite filth are proxies, doing the British state’s dirty work.
“No it bloody doesn’t”
Squeeth.
Not sure what you mean by the above?
Anyway here’s some more info.
“The ‘Community Security Trust’ is a Mossad-trained Israel front group, which acts as a vector for Zionist foreign influence operations in Britain. The British government just gave them £10 million.
We face a rising tide of antisemitism throughout the UK.
Now, up to £10 million in new funding will help protect Jewish communities – but we must go further to fight for a society that is free from hatred and violence.
As your Home Secretary, I am committed to this fight.”
https://nitter.poast.org/ShabanaMahmood/status/1978855087859445844#m
On Maccabi Tel Aviv.
“Britons tend to think it was the right decision to ban fans of Israeli football club Maccabi Tel Aviv from attending a match against Aston Villa next month, a fixture classified by West Midlands Police of being ‘high risk’
Right decision: 42%
Wrong decision: 28%”
https://nitter.poast.org/YouGov/status/1979215896506671610#m
Zionists aren’t Jews, this isn’t difficult to understand, it’s obvious.
Yes, yes, Humpty Dumpty, I’m sure you’re right.
Tommy Robinson will attend the Maccabi Tel Aviv game in Birmingham next month and sit among the Israeli fans! He vowed to never be silent when Jews are under attack!
Tommy will also attend a Betar Jerusalem game Monday during his visit to Israel!
Notice the complete political silence about this post from a Zionist organisation based in Israel? Nothing from Starmer, Badenoch, Jenrick and co, nothing from the UK’s antisemitism czars and anti-extremism czars et al.
If Tommy Robinson were being feted and treated like some guest of honour, by pro-Palestinian groups, we’d have endless broadsheet columns and parliamentary condemnation, about dangerous growing links between the far-right and Palestine activists.
The double standards of these people are so brazen.
Come on, Goose, you know that the only sin that it is possible for a Jew or a Zionist to commit is to support Palestine, so If our Tommy is supporting the Maccabees fans, he is amongst the angels. It really is as simple as that. No doublke standards required, just rightthink.
Super, the crowd-funder is sitting on the edge of £4k already, a few days in. Keep it up people.
For anyone who’d not seen, the English one met its stretch target of £300k: https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/palestine-action/
Better if this were more “Chicago Seven” than “Board versus Brown”.
The right of the state to define who it calls terrorists may not be about to be brought down by our well-paid learned friends. Just a thought. Anyway people ought to consider a range of different historical cases to learn from and be inspired by.
“Snow snapped back ‘I’m satisfied that the time is sufficient. I am not going to give more time. Your only remedy is the High Court.’ As I am sure Snow realises, ordinary people cannot afford to go to the High Court.”
All it takes is a letter. Apply for a “mandatory order” under s29 of the Supreme Court Act 1981. This is what used to be called an “order of mandamus”. You can apply for one during a trial if the magistrate or judge has stepped out of line. Snow has practically invited defendants to do precisely this. Quote his words.
That will put the sh*ts up the f*cker.
He sounds like someone who doesn’t know shee-yit apart from 1. doing what he’s told, 2. hurting people, and 3. being satisfied with the prestige he gets for 1 and especially 2.
Apply for a mandatory order. If he prides himself on “thinking on his feet” (something of which I doubt he is capable) and tries something new and unexpected during a trial, ask for an adjournment to prepare an application for a mandatory order.
If he denies it, ask for another adjournment to prepare an application for a mandatory order against his decision to deny it.
(“When surprised, take the enemy by surprise”, as Sun Tzu put it.)
Solicitors and barristers may not like this kind of stuff. They may think it counts as being too rude to the guy on the bench. But presumably some defendants are representing themselves, right?
Snow is bloody lucky he doesn’t have any real “terrorists” after him.
The following may be right. It needs to be checked.
Basically you need to get Michael Snow to “state his case” to the High Court for his 36 minutes decision. Don’t forget to mention that he has already invited defendants to take his decision to the High Court. So if he says he refuses to state a case because you’re being frivolous, he’ll be opening up further weaknesses.
Section 111(6) of the Magistrates’ Courts Act 1980 states as follows:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/43/section/111/data.xht?view=snippet&wrap=true
“111 Statement of case by magistrates’ court.
(1)Any person who was a party to any proceeding before a magistrates’ court or is aggrieved by the conviction, order, determination or other proceeding of the court may question the proceeding on the ground that it is wrong in law or is in excess of jurisdiction by applying to the justices composing the court to state a case for the opinion of the High Court on the question of law or jurisdiction involved; but a person shall not make an application under this section in respect of a decision against which he has a right of appeal to the High Court or which by virtue of any enactment passed after 31st December 1879 is final.
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(5)If the justices are of opinion that an application under this section is frivolous, they may refuse to state a case, and, if the applicant so requires, shall give him a certificate stating that the application has been refused; but the justices shall not refuse to state a case if the application is made by or under the direction of the Attorney General.
(6)Where justices refuse to state a case, the High Court may, on the application of the person who applied for the case to be stated, make an order of mandamus requiring the justices to state a case.”
Use form N463:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/64a2e05306179b00131aea19/N463.pdf
“Send your completed form and draft order to the court where your case is proceeding:
London:
[email protected]“
I think the fee is about £140. You don’t even have to buy Form N463. You can download it online.
This “we need £3 million to pay for the best lawyers” avenue is not the only one that’s available.
“This “we need £3 million to pay for the best lawyers” avenue is not the only one that’s available.”
You would have thought that “the best lawyers” would have already flagged up the points in the above two cases, however, my and my friends’ experience of the legal profession is that most lawyers are either lazy, ignorant or both, which, of course, doesn’t stop them being extremely expensive.
The plan is to limit reach – and promote the agenda of the day.
“X is planning to make changes to its algorithm, so the number of your follower is irrelevant to the reach and visibility of your posts.
This means contents on X will be determined by X AI rather than the users themselves.
If X decides to make Zionist propaganda more visible, then you cannot counter it by having pro-Palestinian followers. Zionist propaganda will be more visible and anything against it will be effectively shadow banned.”
This is what comes of restricting struggle to a costumed combat with air-filled wobbly hammers, hosted by the lord and lady in the big house on a designated field in their estate, where they hire out the hammers for free.
Yes, that is the great benefit of the internet to TPTB: it allows people to let off steam and think they are doing something, when actually they are achieving nothing at all, which is why the policing of the internet is so counter-productive for them.
Of course, if all the people who support Palestine and hate censorship were to leave X it would focus Musk’s small mind. But they wont, they’ll continue to moan and then carry on supporting Musk, Trump, Mossad and the CIA. Willfully stupid ?
No, liberals….
““X is planning to make changes to its algorithm, so the number of your follower is irrelevant to the reach and visibility of your posts.”
There is absolutely no particular reason why that should be so in the first place, apart from giving the twitterati an incentive to engage with other twitterati and hence promote the use of Twitter. It was most certainly not done for reasons of free speech or anything like that.
The most likely reason for the change is that “AI” is an invention in desperate search of a use, due to all the money ploughed into it, which is why it is cropping up everywhere and failing to do what it is supposed to do, because it is not actually intelligent and doesn’t know what it is doing. If you doubt this, ask an “AI” to draw a picture of a cat and label its parts.