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To be fair, the transition to wind and solar, along with the relatively new HVDC large scale interconnector distribution systems, seem to be causing fairly minor regulation issues, which on this occasion cascaded into a major outage. But these problems seem to have been at least partially identified after the 2021 incident, and mitigation recommendations from the system regulation authorities hadn’t been implemented by the commercial operators. Neoliberalism strikes again, and the neoliberal media covers for it. What’s new?
We’ve had a few drive-by denialists posting off-topic on the main blog recently, but – despite multiple invitations – they’re just too bashful to make it here and actually argue their case instead of simply asserting it.
Dang, these denialists are shy!
Glenn NL
“We’re talking about human caused climate change, rather obviously. Oh yes, that would be climate change on our own planet Earth – just in case you need that clarified too.”
It wasn’t obvious from the thread title at all.
There are many believers in human-caused climate change who like to paint non-believers in human-caused climate change as if we don’t recognise that the climate is changing – in other words, as if we are nutters hell-bent on denying what’s going on right in front of our faces. Curiously those who use such a method of arguing have been known to insist that their opponents engage with them. My rule is not to.
Brian – a lot of people don’t deny what’s happening in front of our eyes. But it can be dismissed with “Climate always changes!” or “It’s cyclical. It was like this in the past.” Other alternatives are that it’s due to long term cycles of behaviour of the sun, or that we couldn’t really know what the past was like.
They all seems to be reasons to dismiss the fact that we pour tens of gigatons of CO2 into our surprisingly thin atmosphere every year, at an increasing rate, have cut down a huge proportion of the planet’s forests, or have billions of farm animals emitting methane, just as a few of our assaults on the Earth’s climate stability.
So I quite recognise that not all denialists pretend that the climate isn’t changing – they deny that we have anything to do with it.
I have noticed that many denialists come up with some well overblown characterisations to avoid any discussion about their positions.
Brian Red:
– “There are many believers in human-caused climate change who like to paint non-believers in human-caused climate change as if we don’t recognise that the climate is changing – in other words, as if we are nutters hell-bent on denying what’s going on right in front of our faces.”
That’s because you did for three decades, until your (slightly) more intelligent corporate influencers realised you were looking utterly deluded and had thereby become a hindrance.
– “My rule is not to [engage]”.
Shy. Understandable, as you know you’d lose the argument. Tip: the longer you leave it the more stupid you’ll look and the more sheepish you’ll feel. Best to get it over with as soon as possible.
