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The Labour Administration want to concrete up our land.
Heathrow Three.
Massive AI Data centers, massive winds farms on land.
One and a half million new homes.
Massive reservoirs for all the extra people who will live in the new homes.
Most of the Carbon in the short Carbon Cycle that is terrestrial, is held in our Top Soil.
Once that land is concreted over, it no longer takes an active part in the short carbon cycle.
Meaning, we then have less ability to take Carbon out of the Atmosphere.“Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander has approved plans for a second runway at London Gatwick Airport, as the government looks for economic growth opportunities.”
Net Zero in the bin.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9v7rz24z23oApparently, it is a “No Brainer”
Quote BBC
“Gatwick currently handles about 280,000 flights a year. It says the plan would enable that number to rise to around 389,000 by the late 2030s.
Reeves said the second Gatwick runway was part of the government’s plan to “get Britain building again”.
A government source has described the plans as a “no-brainer for growth,” adding that “it is possible that planes could be taking off from a new full runway at Gatwick before the next general election”, which would mean by 2029.”
Gung Ho Rachel, gungo ho for growth.Phase Two
If the Labour Administration now believe that they must go for growth,
where does that leave their Net Zero Policy?Quite interesting, that in the Eocene, ( warm climate) apparently there was about four times the amount of Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, that we have now.
At the End of the Eocene, Antarctica started enter the current Ice-Age ( 35 million years ago)
The Eocene was 56 to 33.9 million years ago.Silverpit Crater, Yorkshire Coast, North Sea.
“A 2025 paper presented new evidence in favour of an impact origin, suggesting that it was created during the Eocene 43-46 million years ago, with a diameter of approximately 3.2 kilometres (2.0 mi), surrounded by a disturbed zone 18 kilometres (11 mi) in diameter.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverpit_craterSilver Pit, deep channel, just to the South of
https://research.uca.ac.uk/1240/1/TO_VIEW_%28WITH_COVER_AND_WRAP%29.pdf
The Dogger Bankhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVjppMVhQp0&t=220s
Funny, how the climate keeps changing?Where are the true believers?
Those who hold a complex of beliefs.Perhaps this bolide event circa 44 million years ago,
was the initiator of Doggerland?
As the event, came in at a shallow angle of attack from the North West, it probably pushed up sediment, either side of its run? Maybe the Southern side, of this event has been washed away over the millions of intervening years.
Bloody interesting. As the sea covers two thirds of the globe, most bolides probably landed in the seas.As this happened in the Carbon dioxide rich atmosphere of the Eocene, the seas would have been higher.
Tsunami thought to have been about one hundred metres high.Michael, a video for you. A day in the life of a working research scientist, narrated, and condensed into under twenty minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW_qIqLhPkI
I’m sure things are very different for Earth scientists, who sit around twiddling their thumbs until The Elite turn up to tell them what results they want fabricated so that they can tax you more, some undefined time in the future.
Wow a lorry has burst into flames carrying electric vehicles on the M5 in Devonshire.
“A stretch of the M5 has been closed in both directions due to a fire on a lorry carrying electric vehicles.The motorway is shut in Devon between junction 28 at Cullompton and junction 29 for Exeter after the incident at just after 06:30 BST, police said.
National Highways said a car transporter carrying nine electric vehicles had caught fire on the southbound carriageway and five Devon and Somerset Fire and Rescue crews were at the scene.
Devon & Cornwall Police advised drivers to avoid the area as the incident has resulted in significant traffic issues”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vz291qx4ko
Nice way to round off the Net Zero Labour Party Season.Wow a Chevron refinery has burst into flames in California. Toxic fumes are affecting residents across a large area, police said.
Do posts like this tell anyone anything useful?
Hello Clark, I posted a reply for you but it either has not been allowed or I did something wrong.
Morning Midas sinks in Pacific: Were EVs to Blame?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pacd6V-FKaE
“The Morning Midas is now resting 16,000 feet below the surface of the Pacific Ocean. After burning for weeks, the car carrier was lost in heavy seas, making it the ninth car carrier lost in just the past decade. The big question now: did electric vehicles play a role in the fire that forced the crew to abandon ship?”A pensioner was recently run over in my road and killed by a battery Post office Van.
We assume, he did not hear it coming. About one hundred feet from where I live.In a few years, there will be hundreds of thousands of EV ready for recycling.
Yet there is nowhere in the U.K. prepared for handling 100,000 EV per year.
They will have to store the batteries in fields, each separated by fifteen metres, that is going to take up a lot of land, in our crowded island.Michael, I agreed with you ages ago that electric vehicles are a problem. All vehicles are a problem; in the UK collisions alone killed 3000 to 4000 people a year and maimed many more, long before we had a push for electric vehicles. Then there are all the respiratory problems combustion products cause. All energy use is a problem; however you store or generate energy, there are dangers involved and harmful side effects, and the more energy, the greater those problems.
I find it very frustrating discussing with you because you don’t really do discussion. You seem to have decided on your conclusion and then worked backwards to find arguments that seem to support it. That’s not discussion, that’s propaganda. Yet, ironically, you have accused the likes of me of having swallowed propaganda, and of being unable or unwilling to think for ourselves.
Hello Clark, I suppose as we are all individuals, we all have our own ways of writing, of framing views, at least we are both able to converse in English. I have been expressing myself in English for seventy years, about half that time people seem to agree with me, at least to my face.
Personally I do not have a problem with Carbon dioxide, it is needed for life on Earth to exist, to thrive.
As long as the Amazon Rain Forest has existed, that complex of life has been drawing down CO2 from the air, over the last forty million years we have seen a reduction by four times of CO2 in the air.
I suspect that much of the CO2 has been drawn down by forests and perhaps “stored” in the soils?
Recently a 30 year study has shown that about 3% extra growth can be identified in trees /decade.
This has been claimed to have happened as there is now more CO2 in the air than since the last glaciation.
The Amazon came into being in a time in which there was a lot of Carbon dioxide in the air, they like Carbon dioxide, they thrive on it. Something must have happened about thirty five million years ago to initiate the Ice Age, I do not know what that was, I am not a scientist but greatly reduced Carbon dioxide, a more dry climate and colder temperatures, seem to go together.
Possibly, it could be seen as remedial, that humans are causing some of that trapped Carbon dioxide to be released.Clark, a Volunteering /cycling friend of mine is a retired geophysicist.
He, like you is completely convinced we have to stop Carbon dioxide from returning to the atmosphere.
He worked on the North Sea for Oil extraction.
He has an old, small car, like me he mostly walks or cycles.
Through life, we face many challenges, I have had a lot of challenges, some of my views are mostly unchanged, some of my views are massively changed.
Probably, that is like most older people.
I’ll probably meet my mate later this week or next week, I’ll try to get him to explain why he thinks the climate changed 35 million years ago.Then there are the C4 grasses
Key Factors in C4 Evolution
Low Atmospheric CO2: A decline in global atmospheric CO2 concentration created a selective pressure for plants to develop more efficient ways to capture carbon,
this about 35 million years ago.Quote Nature
Amazonia“Atmospheric CO2 has progressively increased year after year globally and across all tropical forests, consistent with the Amazonian-wide tree size increase Thus, we conclude that the increase in atmospheric CO2 is the most likely, although potentially not only, driver of the observed increase in tree size.”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41477-025-02097-4
They seem to think that after a three decades study, there is a significant increase in tree mass,
in the Amazon Forest, of 3.3% / decadeMore additional growth in more massive trees, much less in smaller trees.
Reaching the canopy, is key for extra sunshine, once you breach the canopy, you can then bulk out if all the needed requirement are available, like Nitrogen, phosphorus, Water, Sunshine and Carbon dioxide.
Sounds like a good news story.The Rosetta Stone of Antarctic palaeontology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seymour_IslandBritish Antarctica
Seymour Island, Graham Land.
“Seymour Island, just off the Antarctic Peninsula, is one of the most important fossil sites on Earth. It contains a bewildering array of different fossils, representing many different environments. It also includes one of the very few uninterrupted sections across the Cretaceous/Tertiary boundary — the time when dinosaurs and many other life forms died out, probably due to meteorite or asteroid impact.”
https://www.antarctica.gov.au/about-antarctica/geography-and-geology/geology/antarctic-prehistory/#:~:text=Antarctica%20used%20to%20be%20part,place%20over%20the%20South%20Pole.It seems some green stuff was still growing round the edges of the Antarctic continent, even though the main bulk of the landmass had entered an ice age.
quote
” Abundant remains of the southern beech Nothofagus (N. beardmorensis) have been found only 400 km from the South Pole. The remains may be as young as 2 to 3 million years old.”Michael, I think I can predict what your geophysicist friend will tell you, because this is the scientific consensus.
Earth entered an ice age about 800,000 years ago, and it continues to this day, an ice age being defined as any time that Earth has ice near sea level at its poles. This ice age has been periodically interspersed with interglacials, which are times when the ice retreats somewhat, but not completely. These interglacials are caused by wobbles in Earth’s orbit called Milankovitch cycles. All human agriculture and civilisation arose in the most recent quarter of this current, ongoing interglacial.
Fredrich is now convinced they need to save the German car industry by keeping internal combustion engines.
Friedrich Merz
is Chancellor of Germany.
https://www.ansa.it/english/news/politics/2025/10/06/italy-germany-tell-eu-to-change-course-on-car-industry_4acdf571-65b4-47fd-b745-0affedffc08b.html
The China EV’s are taking over Europe
You need fewer higher paid people to produce EV cars.
Ineos is laying people off because of high electricity prices in the U.K. and because of lower priced Chinese commodities.
People need to earn a living in Europe, if they believe in global warming or they do not believe in global warming.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c147d1x5kljo
If in the U.K. we shut down all our coal mines, then most of our oil wells, then most of our gas fields, then most of our oil refineries, then most of our steel mills, then most of our car manufactures, then most of our ceramics works, then most of our electronic industries, then most of our textile industries, where will people earn their daily bread?Such trouble coming to Europe and the United Kingdom, this is looking like a re-run of the Inter War Years, with millions pounding the streets, looking for work.
Net Zero Lunacy.
Try looking out the window can you see a climate catastrophe?
Wait two years, then look out the window and see the homeless and the jobless amble past, watch the soup kitchen queues spread around the block.
We are committing economic death on ourselves.
https://auto.hindustantimes.com/auto/news/german-chancellor-merz-questions-eu-s-2035-ban-amid-auto-industry-slump-41759805798645.htmlBut Michael, net zero costing a fortune is just something some media told you. Why choose one set of lies over another?
Just think for a bit, like you ask others to. You say Chinese EVs are the cheapest going, yet China uses wind and solar more than anyone else. Some Scandinavian countries went net zero decades ago, yet they aren’t all on the dole in fact they enjoy a higher standard of living than over here.
Just ignore such red flags like usual and post more of the same old tired propaganda; that’ll make the discussion more interesting, we’ll all learn a lot from that, eh?
Like, you refer to things 34 million years ago. Well hominids have been around 2 million years, and anatomically modern humans about 200,000 years. Somehow they all survived without jobs and pay until the end of feudalism, that’s 99.8% of humanity’s time on Earth, and every damn species but humans get by without getting paid at all.
You seem to have very specific blinkers.
Hello Clark, I have just got in from cycling with my mate, a retired geophysicist.
So, I asked him why he thought the Ice Age, started to kick in about 35 million years ago.
As we probably all know, prerequisite one is having at least one pole covered by a landmass.
He said that the tropical rainforests were sucking down a lot of atmospheric Carbon dioxide.
That is alright as long as there is enough volcanism, to put back CO2 into the air.
The separating of Antarctica from South America and Australia, allowed the circumpolar current to race around Antarctica, fending warm water coming in from the tropics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transantarctic_Mountains
He said the initiator was probably the Transantarctic mountain ranges, kicking off glaciers, before 35 million years ago.But the massive reduction of CO2 probably has other routes.
