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Clark, I forgot to add, my mate suggested, although he did not know, that there might have been a sustained period of reduced volcanism.
Meaning the balance of Carbon dioxide being absorbed was greater that that thrown out by volcanic eruptions.Trees in the Amazon rainforest “getting bigger”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/articles/c237re7970jo
Quote BBC
“Trees in the Amazon forest have gotten bigger over recent years, according to scientists!A new study suggests that, on average, trees are increasing in size by more than 3% every ten years.
Scientists often call the rainforest the “lungs of the planet” because of the role it plays in absorbing carbon dioxide and producing oxygen.
Researchers say their findings highlight just how important tropical rainforests are in efforts to address climate change.”
So, there is a benefit to have more Carbon dioxide in the air.
Michael, you wrote:
– “Try looking out the window can you see a climate catastrophe?”
1) Actually, yes. After 34 years living here this years drought nearly killed the tree in my back yard, and the honeysuckle might have perished too, I won’t know until next spring.
2) Have you tried looking any further afield? There are copious signs, like half the Arctic ice having gone.
3) What if you look out your window the next El Niño year and you DO see a climate catastrophe? What the frick are you going to suggest we do about it then? Oh, didn’t you want sugar in your tea? Hang on, I’ll just take it back out for you.
If you don’t answer those three points I’ll just clear off like everyone else has and leave you on your own here again, ok? Hardly anyone else reads this thread and life is too short to ‘discuss’ with someone who never bothers to engage.
Clark, you seem quite angry?
Yes, this year my small pear tree had a phenomenal amount of pears, I have been struggling to get people to take the pears. My tree had twenty times the amount of pears, from last year.
Yet a third of the tree snapped off, the weight of the pears was too much for the little tree.
I attribute Carbon dioxide, to all the extra growth.
All my neighbours are noticing the massive extra growth in vegetation this year, we have had a wonderful, warm, sunny year, almost the best i have ever known.
In the Winters of the past, many pensioners died of the cold.
That seems to happen less now, maybe it is because of government heating allowance, oh no, the Labour government got rid of that perk.
perhaps, less pensioners in Britain die, because the Winters are not at awful as they used to be.
Aboy twenty times more people die of the cold as die of the heat.
I expect in the Labour paradise, that is of interest to the apparatchicks?I think that humans are causing a lot of extra Carbon dioxide to enter the air.
Nobody is doing this on purpose, it is a by product of our modern life styles.
Yet, almost like magic, crops are growing better.
The vegatation has a memory of what the past was like, a past, where Carbon dioxide was in greater abbundance, it was more important, it played its part, as it was supposed to do.
Yet something happened, about thirty five million years ago, that removed vast amounts of Carbon dioxide from the air.
Ever since, life has been dimineshed.Clark, I am sorry you are annoyed.
Nothing has got worse, as far as the climate is concerned, since the Second World War.
I would say our climate has improved.
Possibly, that is because of Carbon dioxide.
What has got worse, is the ghastly state of political repression.There is an awful type of group think, that has come about, since the end of the Second World War.
My father was blown up, he had two hundred fragments of metal in him.
A|ll he wanted after the war was a quite life, a family life, go to work and go home to family.
He did not seek anything else.
He had had all the excitement he would ever need in those few years.Maybe fifteen years after the war, younger people wanted to change how things were.
They challenged the notion that homosexuality was wrong, eventually, they got the laws changed.
One by one the morals of our known society got challenged and watered down.At some stage, there was an ecological movement started, greenpeace.
This movement turned into a fraud.
There is no climate emergency.
Wake up, you have been duped.Clark wrote: “If you don’t answer those three points I’ll just clear off like everyone else has and leave you on your own here again, ok? Hardly anyone else reads this thread and life is too short to ‘discuss’ with someone who never bothers to engage.“
Agreed. It’s a complete waste of time. After all that’s been provided and explained, only an ignoranus would write the last four lines of the post above.
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At some stage, there was an ecological movement started, greenpeace.
This movement turned into a fraud.
There is no climate emergency.
Wake up, you have been duped.At the moment we can expect World War Three to begin, perhaps some time in the next couple of years.
The West against Russia.
There is a lot of nonsense spouted and a lot of shouting.
Perhaps we should keep in mind that Russia is used to long wars.
The Russo-Circassian War, also known as the Russian invasion of Circassia, was the 101-year-long invasion of Circassia by the Russian Empire.
This is when Peter the Great moved into the area that now has The longest City in Europe – Sochi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SochiThe Russians, wanted a warm water port on the Black Sea, near Turkey/Persia.
They still hold that city now, the circassians were wiped out by Russia.
Russia, could work with Europe but Europe has rejected Russia.
These modern events of the last few years are so much more of a danger to the world, than Global Warming.
People choose to go to Hot countries for their holidays.
People have Natural Gas boilers in their houses because they need warmth in the Northern Winter.
Some extra warming would be welcomed in places like Korea, like Northern Japan, like Mongolia, like Northern China, like Tibet, Like Russia, like Northern Europe, like Iceland, like Canada, like Northern U.S.A.Most people alive on planet Earth live in the Northern Hemisphere.
It is often very cold in the NorthMichael, you have failed to answer a single point.
My father served in Burma and lost his brother in WWII, and my mother worked the barrage balloons and had to whack a man on the head with her shovel lest he force her to disobey orders. So don’t try to pull rank on me. They were helping fight fascism.
I see you want people persecuted for their private lives. That is the mark of a bigot. Those who object to homosexuality never object to heterosexual anal intercourse; I wonder why? Alan Turing broke Germany’s Enigma codes, and after the war was forced to kill himself due to attitudes like yours. As an acquaintance in the forces once said to me – who would you rather be fighting alongside; someone straight who shoots bent, or someone bent who shoots straight?
I used to have to moderate your comments on the Al Hilli and Disappearing Aircraft threads, because other commenters objected to your veiled racism. Much of your writing is veiled.
The carbon dioxide level didn’t suddenly leap up this year, so that isn’t what suddenly increased your yield of pears, and pears going to waste while limbs fall off the trees isn’t an improvement anyway. But it’s pointless trying to encourage people like you to think for themselves, and that is why fascism needs to be fought; such mindsets simply can’t be reasoned with, as you have been demonstrating for years.
Your all too obvious sense of superiority is merely an illusion, and a common one at that.
Michael, you reference various epochs in earth’s history where CO2 levels were much higher than they are now and eulogise just how verdant the planet was at those times. Truly, it was so. However, sea levels were 60 Metres higher at the time too. How would 60M higher sea levels affect land masses now?
All that CO2 in the atmosphere was due to planetary processes humanity could not effectively influence even now (except perhaps, nukes). Those CO2 levels came about over geological time scales, millions of years, not decades. Why do you not give consideration to all the changes that come about with changing CO2 levels?
Can you refer us to a deductive argument rather than an ampliative one?
Critical Thinking.Is there any mechanism by which an argument (argument, in its most strict sense) can be had with you?
ET, I am very pushed for time, just had a doctor ring me for a longish chat.
I am about to go out for the day with my daughter and her children.
i think Clark is losing the plot.
Mostly, Climate Crisis is talked about by people who are middle class and or have been to university.
i think you will find that ordinary working people have more pressing matters to grip their brain.
I will repeat, although carbon dioxide in the air is increasing, there is no crisis.
Some might suggest, the people need to be kept in fear.
Well, I can tell you, I am more fearful of World War Three than I am of a warmer Earth.
I don’t think I am a fascist, although I am a member of the Conservative party, I hasten to add, I do not go to meetings, it is a hang over from my father, who switched to voting Conservative after Mrs. Thatcher allowed him to buy his council house.Cl;ark, you are starting to become irrational.
Because I do not share a portion of your world view, does not make me unmenchanable.
You are tending away from democracy, if you choose that path.
We each have a right to decide what we believe and what we do not believe.
However, i fully accept that belief is not the same as reality.
Perhaps many of us only have a slim grasp on reality.
perhaps reality of the individual is just their perception.
I perceive that the Winters in England are not as harsh as they were, when I was a child.
As I am now old, I prefer the less harsh Winters.
I think if you were to talk, individually to every adult on the Earth, only a minute amount of those adults would be obsessed by Climate Crisis.
They would be more interested in escaping poverty.“unmenchanable“??
So, Michael, you think homosexuality is immoral, do you?
One of the interesting and occasionally enlightening aspects of discussion forums is the opportunity it provides into understanding the perspective of others contributors and their thinking or cognitive processes – logical, deductive, empirical – used to formulate their opinion. You learn much about people even though you never meet in person – and it aids and guides any future discussion. You really should read the link ET provides. Basic stuff, but you appear to have missed the class that day.
Aside from having some curiosity value and even though you have a dedicated thread to explore your thinking, I don’t find these writings beneficial or productive, Michael. They are more of a rant against all your demons, punctuated with tabloid headlines and ad hominem attacks against anyone who provides a different view.
Good luck.
Should anybody be interested, here is a recent interview with James Ratcliffe by Times Business
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nlj6NsLlhNcJim has asked about the chemical industries of Europe and the U.K.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grangemouth_RefineryHe seems to think only a fraction of the chemical industries and only a fraction of the car industries,
will survive the next decade, with most gone in five years.
meaning about ten million extra people becoming out of work, across the U.K. and the E.U.
Net Zero is one the downfalls of Europe, as well as cutting itself of from Russia.
I think Jim said energy costs are about ten times more in Europe, than they are in China.
Most of the Chinese stuff is made by burning Coal.
Something Europe is stuggling to get away from, although Germany and Poland burn a lot of Coal to this day.
Jim thinks, if the North Sea is shut down, essentially the chemical industries of the U.K. and the E.U. are done.James Ratcliffe has said that most things people buy come from the crackers.
There are still three crackers in operation in the United kingdom, in Jim’s view, two of these will soon close down.
When the North Sea is switched off, it all goes.
Almost everything you buy come from Hydrocarbons, your refrigerator, television, mobile phones, your car, your clothes, your medical devices.
In effect – modern living support.All modern life needs reliable cheap energy.
We no longer have that in Europe.
Unless we change, we will all be poor, quite quickly.Michael, you wrote:
– “Maybe fifteen years after the war, younger people wanted to change how things were. They challenged the notion that homosexuality was wrong, eventually, they got the laws changed. One by one the morals of our known society got challenged and watered down.”
Do you think that homosexuality is immoral?
Hello Clark, I do not think about homosexuality.
I have some friends that go that way, we act in a friendly, social way towards each other, I don’t talk about what they get up to in their bedrooms.
We talk about stuff we are interested about, mostly about caving and cave digging.
I guess many of the people I know and interact with are homosexuals. That is their choice and is not my business.Michael, your reply seems strange and contradictory. You were certainly thinking about homosexuality when you posted the comment I cited, you must have been, so your reply “I do not think about homosexuality” cannot be entirely true. Please clarify.
Clark, here is something for you to worry about.
50.46% of Coal burnt in the World, is burnt in China.Yet we are force fed stories about how Green China is, these days.
Michael, I know China’s emissions thank you; their per-capita emissions are similar to ours in Britain, and their cumulative pro-capita emissions are on course to be lower than Britain’s. From memory, the biggest pro-capita offenders are the USA, Russia, Canada and the Gulf Monarchies.
What I don’t know, and would like to find out, is why you highlighted decreased state persecution of homosexuals as the start of a purported decline in morals that led to Greenpeace supposedly collaborating with governments and media to scare the population. It all seems highly fanciful to me; deluded, even.
You do owe me some clarification, seeing as you have accused me of “losing the plot”, “becom[ing] irrational”, indulging in “an awful type of group think”, and being duped. Please explain, so I can at least attempt to raise my thinking to your superior standard.
Clark, one of the first acts of our new labour Government was to blow up the last Coal-fired power station in Britain.
I expect there are still people buying and burning Coal on their fires. I think we may still have one or two Coal-Fired Blast Furnaces, left standing but I do not think in the U.K. we still burn Coal to make Electricity?I am not sure I understand your obsession with homosexuality.
I, most certainly barely give it a thought.
My only point was, that, perhaps, the movement to make homosexuality legal, was the first part of, what has since become known as woke.
I expect I am wrong, as I am old and old-fashioned and do not understand this modern stuff.The universities now preach much woke stuff or so I have been told, it is a breeding ground for left wing ideology.
Some even suspect primary schools of spreading woke stuff.
To be honest, I am not exactly sure what woke is.
However, I believe the Labour Party are steeped in it as is the Green party, the Liberal democrats and the S.N.P.
These groups of movements have some commonality, possibly it is a hatred of the British Identity?
Please tell me if i misunderstandCurrently 9.30 pm
57% of our Electricity comes from North Sea Gas.
