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On Pikabu there’s a video report from Washington:
https://pikabu.ru/story/bessmertnyiy_polk_vernulsya_v_vashington_pamyat_pesni_i_provokatsii_12683493#comments
“The Immortal Regiment action goes again in the American capital after six-year pause. Despite attempts by pro-Ukrainian activists to disrupt the event (yellow-blue flags and loud slogans), hundreds of people – immigrants from the former USSR and Americans – peacefully marched from the White House to the war memorial.”I commented:
“There is something wrong with the logic of those with blue and yellow flags.
The Immortal Regiment is an event in memory of the fallen soldiers of the USSR.
Ukraine was part of the USSR.
What are they unhappy with today?
It would be logical and morally correct if they joined the procession with their flags and honored the memory of their own ancestors.”my comment got 207 upvotes and 7 downvotes, and most of the responses can be summarized as:
“the descendants of the opposing side in that war are protesting”There are still people who believe that Ukraine is a democracy, and that their ruling regime is not nazi.
I’ll share this here, to prove them wrong.
https://pikabu.ru/story/na_ukraine_zaderzhali_devushku_kotoraya_slushala_pesnyu_den_pobedyi_12704484A girl in the street gets detained by the police. The dialogue, shortly:
– what’s wrong?
– you’re listening to Russian song
– so what?
– it’s forbidden
– it’s just a song (*the song is the “Victory Day” performed by Joseph Kobzon)
– you cannot listen Russian songs
– it’s so wrong! Our ancestors…. hey, I’m doing my prayers in Russian, would you arrest me for praying in Russian?
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Earlier I’ve seen reports about advertising on kids TV channels. Ukrainian security service runs ads encouraging kids to call up SBU if they see their siblings or friends listening to Russian music.Tatyana,
I’m sure you, of all people, understand why? Perhaps the Ukrainians have the same loathing and hatred of Russians as you quite clearly have of them.
How can you have true peace, friendship, love and respect for each other when you are consumed so?
Kind regards,
S.
With all due respect, Shibboleth, I am far from understanding.
Iy’s not about hate speeches that emotionally involved individuals allow themselves on the Internet, expressing their attitude.
I am talking about the state law that the police implement, in the real world arresting people for listening and speaking in their native language!
There are many Ukrainians living in Russia, but they are not discriminated against.
In Ukraine, speaking Russian is dangerous, Russian-language media is banned, Russian books are removed from libraries and burned, children are asked to inform on their relatives!
Maybe this is not Nazism? Let’s come up with another word, for example, National-Totalitarianism. But whatever you call it, I don’t understand how to evaluate what’s happening, except condemnation. Not a single positive word comes to mind.I have close friends both Russian and Ukrainian, albeit all now living in the UK. Not one has the same repulsive hatred of the other that you regularly display. There will be elements in both countries that will have and encourage such – but as individuals we all have responsibility to be true to ourselves and to each other. I would encourage you to cultivate this simple but extremely important principle. Instead of building barriers, reach out. It is the only way. Subjection has never provided a good outcome. If you truly desire peace – embrace and show it. Everything else leads to the word you cannot find – it’s called delusion.
Kindest.
“Not one has the same repulsive hatred of the other that you regularly display.”
I wasn’t going to comment on your last post to Tatyana as I am sure she can defend herself eloquently, as she has just done.
In all of Tatyana’s posts I have read over the last number of years on any topic I don’t think she has ever expressed hatred of anyone or any nationality. Indeed I think she has been at pains to point out the historic connection that Ukraine and Russia have.What Tatyana has done consistently is highlight how the fascist regime currently in power in Ukraine legislated in an attempt to eradicate russian language, russian culture, russian literature and anything russian related, all in a country where half the population speaks and uses the russian language in their daily lives.
Burning russian books, intimidating people speaking russian, arresting teenagers for listening to russian music? What part of that ideology do you not see as fascist? Fascism being the most heinous ideology that can exist for the governance of any nation. You know, the one the world came together with Russia to defeat and which the Russians made a 27 million sacrifice to defeat.Language and culture are part of daily life. It is a heinous thing for a regime to legislate to suppress them. And Tatyana is correct to point to it.
Mr.Cromwell and the Brits almost succeeded wiping out the Irish language with the penal laws from the 1600’s on. Almost.
Shibboleth, your comment was out of order.
Thank you very much, ET, for joining the discussion and for your feedback on my position.
I really don’t want this to come to a standoff, and I hope to bring everyone’s positions a little closer to understanding.Shibboleth’s words made me fear that I had become infected with hatred for a nation that is one of the branches of my own ancestors, and whose language I used to speak at home, and recall today with warm memories of my dear grandmother (after whom I was actually named).
I’d also like to draw Shibboleth’s attention to the fact that they get their impressions from people who have gone to a safe place. Perhaps the position of a guest in a third country makes their opinions more restrained than mine.
I remain here in Krasnodar, Russia, very close to the border with Ukraine. With drone attacks, with people fleeing here from the war, with relatives testifying about what is happening first-hand.
Like one of my cousins who directly participated there. Like another cousin of mine who provides volunteer assistance to the refugees. Like my nephew, a medical student, sent to help in the Kursk region and who performed amputations on civilians. And, as the mother of an adult son, my only child, for whom I do not want any of the horrors of war, but do not have the opportunity to change my place of residence to a safer one. To sit there safely and talk about a large amount of hatred in people.
I beg to not get it as a disrespect, just describing what the things are from my point of view.And also, I live within the missile range indicated by some high-ranking American dude with too many fingers on his hand. The very missiles that the British government would very much like to supply on an industrial scale to the Ukrainian regime. They hate us.
However, if my government had the idea to ban English language, literature, culture here, to arrest people listening to songs in English, then I would actively protest against such a law.
Guess why.
