Erm, that's 1.2 metric tons of plastic!!!

You're a walking environmental disaster.

I don`t know what to say to you Craig.

They will go to ANY lengths to keep power.

I have just come from reading the link below to reading this thread, my God what a mess we are in...

http://tinyurl.com/pjcdwj

Hi Craig,

Sounds like you're getting screwed from all sides. Just remember that the change you make as a result of this campaign need not be as a result of winning. It could be as a result of pursuing legal options against the buggers who're suppressing your campaign.

Cheers,

Dennis

URGENT URGENT URGENT

HELP NEEDED NOW

I was up in Norwich yesterday helping delivering leaflets.

Craig needs foot soldiers out pounding the streets leafleting.
So stop blogging. Get off your backsides and get up to Norwich.

THE ELECTION IS ONLY TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY

It’s only 2 hours by train from London Liverpool Street Station.

Craig's Election HQ is 07908 053099 or 07908 053098
8 – 10 Cromer Road, Norwich NR6 6ND (above The Insurance Centre).
It’s on the A140 by the crossroads where Boundary Road, Aylsham Road, Cromer Road and Mile Cross Lane meet.

While we were leafleting last night, we saw that NuLabour were out knocking on doors, they weren’t getting a much of a response. You can make a real difference.

PUT AN HONEST MAN INTO PARLIAMENT

"So the BBC have now moved the goalposts to exclude me, by adding a brand new stipulation "in that area" to their criterion"
--Craig

I hadn't picked up on that nugget.

It did occur to me that IF they were basing their coverage on "past electoral support" in any given area, they would be automatically giving preference and weight to the previous "incombent party".

By the way, I couldn't access this site for much of the day yesterday - no idea why. I wondered if the blog was suffering a DOS attack, or some other mischief. But maybe the "fault" was at my end.

hang in their matey.........

As for the UCU....shame on you, your decit will not go unnoticed

"Get off your backsides and get up to Norwich"

Believe me, I would if I could.

I wouldn't be voting for you if I were a voter in Norwich, but I do find all of your difficulties listed above and before deeply disturbing. Good luck in seeking redress.

Craig, this is all very disturbing and despicable.

If I had one wish for the UK it would be that the mass of its apathetic, head-in-the-sand, moron 'citizens' wake up and smell the rancid coffee. What you're experiencing is dictatorship-by-covert-blockading. This is Stalinism with a 'proper', oh-so-correct, British face. It's not until you've experienced this concerted process personally that you understand just how corralled and hamstrung the vast majority of us actually are - and just how utterly extinct democracy is in the UK.

History is clear: pendulums always swings back. There will be a backlash at some point in the future. But for now that knowledge is not helpful in getting you elected. It appears that the masses haven't quite had enough neo-Stalinism yet though.

I suspect you'll stay strong and keep on pushing - and all best wishes to you. Hey, all we insomniacs - the awoken ones! - NEED you to keep on pushing...

The leaders of the Post Office, who are responsible for this unfairness, evidently think that they are immune from retribution. Perhaps one day they will be held criminally responsible for this breach of electoral law, and no Nulab Minister will save them.

Craig,

I'm wondering why every little branch of the State (even "arms-length" branches like the BBC and the Royal Mail) seems to be making life hard for you.

If you were elected, is there something you would say, with the protection of parliamentary privilege, that would make somebody very afraid?

"It's rather picturesque and entitled "A Norfolk Journey"."
Can we watch it on youtube/vimeo/whatever instead?

By such dishonest and, frankly, disgusting machinations the BBC reveal their true face.

As their reporting on Iraq, Afghanistan and much else reveals, they are a mere instrument of the globalist corporate/banking oligarchs that need the 3-headed one party state to remain in control in the UK so that they can continue delivering their mind-and-soul-rotting-agenda that is delivered to us by the carcasses of their brain-dead puppets that fester within the House of Commons.

Despicable.

However...the more they sink to these depths the more they engineer their own future obsolesence.

They're actually too thick and short-termist to realise that of course.

Keep going Craig and co!

"It's rather picturesque and entitled "A Norfolk Journey"."
Can we watch it on youtube/vimeo/whatever instead?
- Tom

Now there's an idea Craig. Put it on Youtube and put an advert in the local paper giving the URL.

Ugh, how evil can you get, bombing innocent people with thin plastic discs?

Drilling holes in their buttocks would be perfectly all right, of course.

One tiny glimmer of good news. I've just noticed that on the Eastern regional news section of the BBC's TV text service, Craig is the only candidate mentioned by name in its story about the NN by-election. The para reads:

"Among the independents standing is Craig Murray, former Ambassador to Uzbekistan, who left the post in 2004 after criticising its human rights".

You need to get a DVD message all over Norwich, the Post Office illegally refuses to deliver, alternatives are too expensive, and delivering them personally is impractical in the time. You need to deliver a speech and are illegally being refused venues. A few suggestions, on the remote chance that you haven't already looked into them:
1. Go into the centre of Norwich with a soapbox and cases of DVDs and GIVE them away - but tell the young people that they are welcome to rip them off and circulate them, or post them on Youtube.
2. Put it on Youtube if you haven't already done so, and make it snappy!
3. Email students at the UEA or other colleges, offering them the DVD free to download, and encourage them not only to circulate it but talk about it.
By these means, if you're lucky the DVD will become notorious before the election. Excellent!
But suppose that the Ministry of Justice raises objections? Posible solutions:
1. Refuse to speak to anyone except the Minister himself, and when you do, tell him that you share his concern about illegal and corrupt political practices like treating candidates, declining to take effective action about postal votes, refusing legitimate candidates venues, and so on.
2. Say publicly that you are outraged at this flagrant breach of copyright, and when you are Minister of Justice, depend on it, Heads Will Roll who are responsible for the situation. The Heads in question are, of course, the present leaders of the Ministry of Justice.
Finally, good luck!

The government just has to snap it`s fingers and it can get people to do it`s bidding. It`s as if the government expect people to be immoral,dishonest,cowardly. Once again all this seems to prove them right.

Craig Murray when making a stand when british ambassador proved the old saying as being true..."The exception that proves the rule". These people should really think ahead what their actions today will do in the long term to ALL of us including themselves.But it seems they are incapable of thinking ahead...That must be why they are giving positions of power, they don`t think they just obey.

I do hope that there will be plenty of attendees at the UCU meeting who will take the opportunity to ask questions who might just start of by saying something along the lines of " I have a question but first let me say that I am disappointed and ashamed that my union has..............Now the question is do you agree with Craig Murray that..................."A university must be a place of stimulating intellectual debate across not only the myriad topics of academia, but on the issues of the day affecting society as a whole. The best minds must clash and spark, and students must be fully and intellectually engaged. A university must constitute a vast whirring machinery of the mind, reacting to and operating on the wider society of which it forms an integral part. It must be a place of the liveliest and best informed debate, where no subject is out of bounds, or over-respected, or immune from the heat of debate. A university must be a democratic discussion. If it is not that, it is not a university" or some other such words as might be fitting to the topics under debate.

Here is the response I received from the BBC about two hours ago:

Many thanks for your recent e-mail to Caroline Thomson, which has been
forwarded to me.

It's not usually feasible for the Chief Operating Officer to respond to
complaints direct: the BBC has an established complaints procedure to
ensure that they are handled in the most efficient and effective way for
our audiences and for our programme-makers. Therefore, if you wish to make
a complaint in future, may I ask that you use the webform at
www.bbc.co.uk/complaints.

Turning to the subject of your complaint; especially when there are a large
number of candidates (at least 10 so far in Norwich North) the broader
interests of the voters would not be served by giving equal coverage to
each and every candidate, irrespective of their chances of success. So when
editors are deciding how much coverage to give, relatively, to different
parties and candidates in any election, one of the key factors they look
for is "evidence of past and/or current electoral support" in that
electoral area.

On that basis, in Norwich there is clear evidence of support for the three
main parties as well as for the Green Party and therefore those parties
will be getting similar levels of coverage. Similarly, there is evidence
from the recent elections that both UKIP and the BNP have some support in
at least parts of the constituency and they will also, proportionately, be
given an appropriate level of coverage by programmes covering the
by-election.

Other candidates, including independents, will receive at least a minimum
level of coverage and may, where editorially justified, receive more
coverage proportionate to the other parties - again taking some account of
evidence of electoral support in the constituency.

As for Michael Crick; it would not be appropriate for us to comment on the
personal political views of our journalists one way or the other. They are
well aware of our commitment to impartiality and are expected to put their
own political views to one side when carrying out their work for the BBC.
Senior editorial staff, the Executive Committee and the BBC Trust keep a
close watch on programmes to ensure that standards of impartiality are
maintained.

I do hope this reply addresses your concerns and I can assure you that they
have been registered on our audience log.

Thanks again for taking the time to get in touch.

Craig - this is The State laid bare for everyone to see. The Labour Party was like this since at least the days of John Smith.

Here is the list of the current directors of the Royal Mail:

http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/content1?catId=23200554&mediaId=23200557

subrosa - that's a good suggestion provided that the link to the video is transmitted somehow to the people of Norwich North.

Abe Rene's suggestion of giving away the DVDs is good, especially if you advertise the fact that the Post Office has refused to post them. Everyone loves to see what thye've not been allowed to.

Also good is encouraging the kids to rip the DVD and put up YouTube videos - maybe start a competition to see who can get the greatest number of views?

YouTube has a 10 minute maximum on clips so it would have to be split into segments. But there's also Megavideo, video.google.com and dailymotion.com which allow longer clips.

Did you ask Birnberg Peirce whether the polling date could be postponed to allow the Post Office time to deliver your election communication?

Regarding your exclusion from the Hustings event, I emailed Colin Bland - the Chief Executive of Broadland District Council - about the risk that the council may be held vicariously liable for any breaches of the Human Rights Act 1998 caused by the UCU's decision. In his response, he seems to be relying on the Electoral Commission's Guidance on Hustings that there is no legal requirement for all candidates to be invited. However, the document he cites is dated December 2006 and it may be possible that the Commission's statement is no longer a true statement of the law. Birnberg Peirce should know.

Craig, this sites DNS name servers are down which means people who don't have the IP address of www.craigmurray.org.uk cached on their machines already cannot access the site.

Something we might not notice easily ourselves (as we're likely to have it cached) so I thought I'd point it out.

Craig, don't like your politics but like it a lot, lot better than the current incumbents.

If I hear one of the lousy tossbags say the word 'democracy' again my TV and radio are likely to take some terrible punishment.

The quicker the existing system is destroyed, the quicker we may, possibly get back to some sort of democratic process.

Oh, and that would include disbanding the BBC.

A man of Straw without honour.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2009/7/9/1247094346303/09.07.09-Steve-Bell-on-to-001.jpg

I am frankly appalled, but not, I must admit, at all surprised.

Craig,

You are getting the run around. And so blatantly too - There isn’t even any shame from these people. My own experience is just another example of this. It seems to me that it is now the establishment, and not the elected government, that pulls the strings in the country’s institutions. Rule of Law; Fair Play – What’s that!! Something has clearly gone wrong with the parliamentary system of democracy which doesn’t seem to be functioning properly. And what is wrong with the current batch of politicians that they don't seem interested in protecting even basis democratic rights.

Roderick Russell

You may be an "honest man" but you see plots everywhere.

"Extraordinarily, the Post Office must also vet the content for libel, incitement to violence or incitement to racial hatred. That is a strange bit of censorship - they don't check the content of normal mail they deliver "

You said it yourself - normal mail.
The post office does check direct mail it is asked to deliver because there are strict laws in place about what can be said in ads and electoral campaigns. This isn't censorship, it's commercial sense. Remember last week that the BNP was deemed not to be inciting people to acts of racial hatred because it put its own leaflets through people's letterboxes rather than giving them out on the street or making the claims in anything sent out as an electoral address. Royal Mail, like any company, would want to retain the right to ensure it could not land itself in trouble. Royal Mail has a right to refuse to carry any item of post, but in this case it's not a political decision, just a commercial one.

I know from my own experience of sending "junk mail" (I'm not proud, I was young, I needed the money) that I had to jump through several hoops and have what I was sending approved (in this case it was purely in terms of measurements, including things like distance the postage paid bars were from the edge of the envelope and the typeface used - nothing about censorship but purely about the logistics of getting all the envelopes through the automated sorting machines!

So there are two sets of hurdles - the first being the boring technical stuff. the second being that the Royal Mail is potentially liable (I understand) for the content of messages contained in ads etc in a way it is not for private communication. (If you receive a personal letter that libels you, your claim is against the author and publisher of the letter, but if you receive a mass mailing then Royal Mail are the publisher) Not sure this has been tested in court yet, mind, but I understand Royal Mail's reluctance.

(I'm reminded of an issue recently when a religious group tried to do a mass mailing of DVDs - can't remember how that one turned out but I have a feeling it might have some relevance here).

In terms of checking out the content of the DVD - again I can understand their reluctance to set a precedent here. Printed leaflets can be looked over very quickly but recordings are a different matter. A DVD can contain several hours of video and if a precedent is set with yours, then who knows what's going to happen next? Five-hour videos of David Cameron doing the washing up in lieu of a manifesto in 2010? No thanks.

The Jack Straw situation is interesting, more because it's just silly to think he's got it in for you. The issue here will be a simple one: distributing video content in this way may mean the electoral address falls under the remit of other legislation because it is in effect a broadcast. Remember the controversy that surrounded BT's attempts to enter the television market? It was deemed okay for BT lines to be used to request video from web pages, but not for BT to become a distributor of content - it's since overcome this issue and has the BT Vision service.
But Royal Mail hasn't yet gone through that process. The question that would need to be answered is, is it one thing for RM to deliver DVDs etc from Amazon, LoveFilm and so on, but a different thing to be used as a means to distribute original programming? Thinking about the recent debates on the future of broadcasting and "digital Britain" I think your simple request has caused a headache that has nothing to do with you or the election, but a lot of commercial interests.

Even if Straw (and I doubt it went anywhere near him, this question) thought (like I do) there was nothing wrong with it, it's not actually his place to say "yes" - the prudent thing here would be to say "let's look at this in more detail" which translates immediately as "no".

I suspect if your DVD is sent out, it will create a precedent that has wider repercussions. It's an interesting debate but it's in no way part of any campaign against you.

Good job on the dvd's. What nonsesne the Post Office spoke. They made a particular ruling about dvd's after an Ebay seller made a complaint a few years back. The ruling was 'If it fits through the letter hole it goes, even if it isn't a letter'. Thin cardboard would also be fine. Your site was indeed down for most of last night and this morning, as others have previously mentioned.

P.S. I liked the cartoon linked to Worzel the council tax thief Mary.

Very pleased to hear that the DVDs can now start going out!

Meanwhile if someone has the DVD and is not part of the busy campaign team, please digitise it in low-res, stick it on a video sharing site, and send the link here. Thanks!

James D: "...distributing video content in this way may mean the electoral address falls under the remit of other legislation because it is in effect a broadcast."

Sorry, but no. Just because video can be broadcast (or even because for a long time receiving broadcasts was the main way people got hold of video material) it doesn't follow that any video file is somehow a broadcast. You don't need a TV licence to access YouTube.

James D,

Your reply is almost certainly bullshit. A Google search reveals from the Royal Mail itself

"Direct mail DVD rental firm LOVEFiLM International has experienced massive growth in a short space of time, aided by a close partnership with Royal Mail, and use of its reliable First Class and Second Class services. As a result, LOVEFiLM has become the poster child of the post-dotcom generation, winning numerous industry awards."

Are you trying to make out that the Royal Mail vets every LOVEFiLM DVD - before it gets sent out? The idea that the Royal Mail could be sued for distributing such content is ludicrous.

In my view Craig Murray is right to feel paranoid, because there is overwhelming multiple evidence of the bastards trying to silence him.

Personally I think everything that is happenning to him is tremendously newsworthy on an International scale. There must be a good chance that some Independent Journalist will pick this up and by whatever means get it out to the electors of Norwich, so that the attempted Censorship of him Backfires on the Stalinist Authorities in a Spectatacular Way.

Even in the Music and Games publishing industries, attempts to ban material often turned out to result in Blockbuster sales. If something is banned, people naturally want to see and hear what all the fuss is about.

Abe Rene's idea of soap box distribution, and also attempted entry to meetings you have been banned from should result in compelling imagery. If you haven't got a hoard of professional camera crews and journalists following you around, then what exactly are they doing to earn a living?

Surely ALL their potential outlets can't have banned you?

Your website seems to be innaccessible most of the time. Are the security services doing Denial of Service Attacks, or it it that your ISP is crap? A competent ISP would quickly be able to block most DOS attacks.

Tony

Does James D work in the Cabinet Office or even Conservative HQ or possibly in the so called Ministry of Justice for the Man of Straw?

James D:

I'm afraid you're just going to have to accept the fact that the Post Office has now relented and Craig's DVD will be delivered. Sorry.

Craig, what about those people who haven't got a DVD player, like older people or poorer people?

Or is your campaign just for Guardian-reading snobs?

Rob Speare,

So only "Guardian-reading snobs" are likely to own a DVD player???

For God's sake if you are trying to slyly undermine Craig's candidacy please do so intelligently.

MJ - I wasn't defending their decision, merely explaining it. They will no doubt be aware of the implications of the decision.

Ed Davies: "You don't need a TV licence to access YouTube." No you don't. that's not the point. But YouTube's status as a broadcaster is the subject of persistent legal enquiry by copyright holders, and is seen as a threat by traditional broadcasters. They are a very good example to support the points I was making.

Tony_Opmoc: you didn’t read my response properly . I made the point that there is a difference being agent for someone else and being the direct method of delivery. Can you imagine what Lovefilm would think if the Royal Mail started using its monopoly to offer its own DVD rental service?
That's why Royal Mail needs to tread a careful line - celebrating lucrative commercial contracts or competing with its own customers.

Read what I wrote again - I happen to think Royal Mail's initial decision was wrong, but I can understand it given to current circumstances it finds itself in, and the wider debate about the future of broadcasting in the UK.

Why do you assume that because I can see someone else's point of view, even though I disagree with it, that I'm a government stooge? Pathetic.

tony_opmoc: "Are you trying to make out that the Royal Mail vets every LOVEFiLM DVD - before it gets sent out? The idea that the Royal Mail could be sued for distributing such content is ludicrous."

If you took the trouble to read what I wrote you'd see that I made a clear distinction between Royal Mail acting as deliverers of requested mail (doesn't require looking at) and unsolicited mail (does require looking at) because as the BNP case in the European elections showed, the law on distributing information that could be viewed as libellous or inciteful is shaky. If Lovefilm sent you a DVD with racist material on it, Royal Mail would not be liable. If the BNP sent you a DVD with racist material on it as part of their free election communication, Royal Mail *may* be liable. I suspect if it came to court they wouldn't be held liable, depending on the judge, but you can't blame them for their initial decision given the time limits.

Please read before you criticise. It's the mark of a rational mind.

"Your website seems to be innaccessible most of the time."

Yep, it's been happening all day today, as well as yesterday. I don't believe it's a coincidence. I've never had such regular problems with one site, other than [e.g.] when Blogger.com goes off for maintenance for a couple of hours. In which case you're redirected to a page saying as much, and giving the timing.

(I have my 3 browsers set to clear their caches when I shut down.)

Craig
You are starting to sound like a victim. It's the beginning of paranoia. And you know where that ends - David Shayler.

Sorry Craig, you're not the Rector *of* a university, you're the Rector *at* a university.

The Rectorship at Dundee is largely ceremonial with any real powers proxied to elected student officials in the same way that royal prerogatives are given to the PM (your predecessor was Lorraine Kelly and before you the biggest scandal was the withdrawal of David Hasselhoff from the race in 2001).

You're the only person who thinks the position has any authority beyond attending degree ceremonies and being paraded through the city in a shopping cart.

It is wrong to use your position, such as it is, for personal political gain. You'd fit in well in Westminster.

The implications of requiring previous electoral support in the current constituency would rule out a candidate whose previous electoral support, however high, was gained outside the constituency.

No help to Craig in this case, but it should be noted, so that, when the general election comes round and some political hobnob is switching constituencies, the BBC can be forced to ignore that candidate's previous electoral support.

I'll bet they wouldn't be so quick to enforce their own newly modified rule if the candidate in question happened to be a NuLab Minister or suchlike.

What a bunch of craven cowards.

"You may be an "honest man" but you see plots everywhere."
-- James D

And if you knew one iota of Craig's history you wouldn't be remotely surprised. They've done everything they can, short of shooting or poisoning him, to shut him up.

New voices are lining up to attack you Craig. You must be making a mark up there in sunny Norwich.

--- TWITTER ---

When the UK students rose up earlier this year on GAZA and other matters, it was reported they used TWITTER for quick exchange of essential information.

Craig and Co, it may be worth your while having someone full-time on Twitter and Facebook every day.

At present you have approx 200 Twitter subscribers for your news. My experience has been that if you surf around within Twitter's membership and subscribe yourself to the accounts of various Twitter users, around 90% of them will subscribe back to you within 48 hours.

If you keep subscribing to more and more people, the process will continue.

You could have A LOT of people subscribed to your news before Polling Day.

On Facebook, you can launch a 'CAUSE'. Such as: HELP BRING DEMOCRACY TO THE UK. It might spread fast. When people join your cause they are given the option of extending an invitation to all of their friends.

You have good people here who know the Internet - how about it / what do you think?

TWITTER - If you decide to put a large effort into Twitter, you probably need to put one news item out every hour for British daylight hours, to keep a momentum going. You can cover associated news - news vital to the type of Britain (and world) we all want; then keep coming back to your own campaign news.

If you want TWITTER and FACEBOOK to work for you, you probably need one person on each 18 hours every day. If you know some good people who can do it, or share it, they can work from anywhere - they don't need to be based at your Norwich HQ.

CRAIG'S TWITTER Account: http://twitter.com/craigmurrayorg
Subscribe NOW - and get your friends to subscribe ... NOW.

Let's hope you can get your 80,000 DVDs delivered soon.

People Power.

Almost overlooked, because of the Royal Mail's scandalous attempts to get out of their obligations, is what a great idea the DVD is.

It shows that Craig and his team can think outside the box and will be different from the majority of MPs, exactly the point he has been making in his election campaign.

Hopefully there are more surprises to come, surprises of the pleasant variety that is!

"They've done everything they can, short of shooting or poisoning him, to shut him up."

Which makes plotting to stop him sending a DVD out even less likely.

Tom Kennedy,

I agree with you. I think its a brilliant idea. And whilst I have no personal experience of Twitter or Facebook and have serious objections to this technology on Privacy grounds, I can completely understand their potential power in a situation like this.

I should also expand on the fact that for a considerable period Craig Murray's site has been inaccessible. This is commercial suicide for any ISP. Most ISP's guarantee very high availability and deliver it. Not only can a competent ISP block DOS attacks very quickly, they can also identify the source of the attacks to a high degree of accuracy. This is something the UK Authorities are very good at policing - and they work together with ISP's - often informing each other of potential attacks before they have become serious. Even now, most such attacks come from spotty teenagers, but they should realise that a Policeman may come knocking on their door. It's all about fair play. No one is going to be too bothered about the occasional download - but if you deliberately set out to be malicious, that is another matter entirely.

Tony

Use technology, twitter, the internet, your voice on a public soapbox in the public square ( like in the old days) - use all you have to make your voice heard, and they will be compelled to let you have a fair crack at it....do what you have to ....you have a lot of support....does that make me one more...guess so!

I see Craig is already building up a number of straw men to burn down in case he gets a humiliating result, which is inevitable at this point.

If they are coming at you mob handed you must be doing something right...Noli Carborundum Illigitimi.

PS..did u get the photos ? Spoke to Akawari as Ben has CD with all from Tema..

Craig,

I was interested to hear last night that Question Time will be held in Norwich in two weeks time. Will you be, or rather do you want to be a part of that?

Dundee Grad,

What complete nonsense you talk. Those Rectors who have worked and turned up for the committee meetings (like Stephen Fry, Clement Freud and Gordon Wilson) have had great influence. Those who have treated it in the way you describe (Like Lorraine Kelly) have thankfully been a minority.

I most certainly am Rector of Dundee.

Educate yourself a bit.
http://www.scottishrectors.org.uk/

I hope to see the DVD up on YouTube... maybe as a plan B, to ask the good people of Norfolk to look you up there, by posting or otherwise broadcasting the YouTube title.

As if Mark. You saw that fob off reply from BBC complaints earlier (SNB @ 1.39 yesterday). The letter was addressed to Caroline Thomson who should have answered it herself. She and Mark Thompson are running things at the ZBC who so cruelly denied the broadcast of the DEC appeal for Gaza.

They are the Common Purpose riddled mouthpiece of this Zionist supporting state and would not give Craig airtime under any circumstances.

Shame on them. Their remit - The status quo must be maintained at all costs. Proportionality is the watchword.

Extract
Turning to the subject of your complaint; especially when there are a large
number of candidates (at least 10 so far in Norwich North) the broader
interests of the voters would not be served by giving equal coverage
to each and every candidate, irrespective of their chances of success. So when
editors are deciding how much coverage to give, relatively, to different
parties and candidates in any election, one of the key factors they look
for is "evidence of past and/or current electoral support" in that electoral area.

On that basis, in Norwich there is clear evidence of support for the three
main parties as well as for the Green Party and therefore those parties
will be getting similar levels of coverage. Similarly, there is evidence
from the recent elections that both UKIP and the BNP have some support in
at least parts of the constituency and they will also, proportionately, be
given an appropriate level of coverage by programmes covering the by-election.

Other candidates, including independents, will receive at least a minimum
level of coverage and may, where editorially justified, receive more coverage
proportionate to the other parties - again taking some account of evidence
of electoral support in the constituency.'

Craig

http://tinyurl.com/mgfvk9

"You may be an "honest man" but you see plots everywhere."
-- James D

"And if you knew one iota of Craig's history you wouldn't be remotely surprised. They've done everything they can, short of shooting or poisoning him, to shut him up." -- dreoilin

Indeed - what an embarrassingly naive and clueless person 'James D' is. Why do people comment when they don't know their arse from their elbow?

Because they are trolls for either NuLabour or the Cameroons. God help us.

"Craig You are starting to sound like a victim. It's the beginning of paranoia. And you know where that ends - David Shayler."

Paid NuLabour gimps no doubt Craig. Take no notice of them, they're in the gutter where they belong. And Craig, please don't get in any helicopters, visit any woods or go up any mountains between now and the elections... we KNOW what they'd do if they got half the chance.

Paranoia paranoia. I love the "they" - as in "they" should do something. It's the wail of the clueless and the ignorant.

OK eddie, now shuffle off back to one of your tedious Labour blogs, there's a dear.

In reply to my comment: "You don't need a TV licence to access YouTube."

James D: "No you don't. that's not the point. But YouTube's status as a broadcaster is the subject of persistent legal enquiry by copyright holders, ..."

Yes, many YouTube users have a terrible attitude to copyright and I can understand that a copyright holder might try to up the ante by arguing that it is a broadcast but I think it would be big news if anybody succeeded with this line of reasoning in court.

"...and is seen as a threat by traditional broadcasters."

Perhaps it is competition to traditional broadcasters but that doesn't mean it is a broadcaster itself.

"They are a very good example to support the points I was making."

I think quite the opposite - this example clearly delineates the difference between broadcast and mass distribution.

By the way, I do think your distinction between the post office acting as a common carrier (I believe that's the US legal term for an entity which carries messages without liability for them) for individually addressed mailings and it perhaps acting in part as a publisher for mass unaddressed mailings is a good one.

"You may be an "honest man" but you see plots everywhere."
-- James D

The problem, James, is that a heck of a lot of them are all too real. I think if you and I had lived through Craig's experiences, we'd be pretty strongly biased towards the conspiracy theory (rather than the cock-up theory) by now!

Yes, the Royal Mail did have some legalistic questions that it had to resolve before it decided to accept Craig's DVD. But just ask yourself, how could they possibly have justified their public service obligations if they had dithered beyond the deadline - and thus made it impossible for a candidate to campaign on level terms with all the rest? Why did it need Birnberg Pierce to persuade them of their basic civic duty?

Because my friend Ben Birnberg has always been a damn good civil liberties lawyer.

I'm sure you're right, I wasn't criticising Birnberg in the slightest. What I meant was, the Royal Mail should have been able to sort it out for themselves! Cheers,

It`s as if New Labour/Tories/Lib dems had someone in the royal mail to do their bidding for them...help them try and fix the outcome of the Norwich North election. You have to ask yourself what kind of low life would be more then willing to do such a thing?. Hmmmm,I wouldn`t have a clue who that could be though.

By the way I came across this..

http://tinyurl.com/mgk9a4

Paranoia paranoia. I love the "they" - as in "they" should do something. It's the wail of the clueless and the ignorant.

According to Vladimir Bukovsky, a writer and dissident who spent 12 years in Soviet labor camps and asylums, Soviet psychiatrists described paranoia as an obsession with "the struggle for truth and justice."

I remember seeing a programme (think it was on good old BBC) about the Independent MP Martin Bell who at his campaign was concerned about being electronically bugged and called in specialists to detect any devices in his offices.

Of course we are all aware, or should be, of the States ability to listen into any telephone call, mobile and fax not to mention email and SMS. Really the News of the World scandal is nothing compared to what the UK Stasi State is capable of doing. Get advice about using several pay as you go mobile phones dont just use one as subscription based services are easy targets to intercept. Use all the avalable methods of internet communication this is what "helped" the BNP regardless of what you might think of them they are up against the state machinery too!

So now an accusation of paranoia is supposed to be an answer to legitimate complaints and to paralyse the victim.

Come on!

Some one tell me what the UK now the mother of ... [hint: parliaments, democracies, justice, human rights?]

No prizes.

George I did know about Crozier (ex FA) and his astronomical salary and bonuses. Particularly excessive when massive redundancies are happening and there are management wheezes like measuring the speed at which postmen walk.

The new Chairman, Donald Brydon, who succeeded Leighton this year, is also Chairman of Smiths Industries. One of their divisions is -

Detection

Smiths Detection is a leading company in the fast growing sector of detection systems. Products of the company include:

Trace detectors - For the detection of chemical and biological agents, chemicals or explosives.
X-Ray security systems
Biometrics - Authentication, i.e. establishing the identity of an individual by measurement of physiological or behavioral features
Metal detectors
Product inspection systems - Systems for quality control of products (e.g. food).

Fast growing indeed. They are probably doing very well out of NuLabour's surveillance society.
See Spyblog for more on this.

How exactly is Craig Murray a threat to the establishment? Was Martin Bell a threat ditto? Or A.P Herbert or Tom Driberg or James Maxton.? No one is interested. As I say it's just paranoia - all of a muchness with your looney trooerdom.

"the avalable methods of internet communication this is what "helped" the BNP regardless of what you might think of them they are up against the state machinery too!"

My heart bleeds for the fascists. They are also up against the millions of anti-fascists in this country and across Europe.

Anyone who seeks to put them into the same category as progressives like Craig has a nasty little agenda. NON PASARAN.

"You have to ask yourself what kind of low life would be more then willing to do such a thing?"

eddie

Do you work at royal mail?.

If eddie doesn't realise that Craig Murray is a threat to the establishment, he is living in political cloud cuckoo land. If Craig succeeds in getting greater coverage in the mainstream media, and especially in winning a seat in Parliament, many establishment heads are likely to roll, not least Jack Straw's (and you couldn't get much more establishment than that erstwhile student agitator).

Come off it. Martin Bell was an MP for ages. Did anything change? No. You seem to be confusing individuals with the establishment, Jack Straw is not the establishment. Individuals may come and go but the establishment goes on. The occasional election of independents is good for democracy and good for the nation, but to suggest that MI5 has any serious interest in a nonentity like Craig is just mad. By the way, he is not going to win the seat. He is already setting up reasons for his defeat, so that he doesn't look too stupid. Victimhood.

Craig,

Please stop petty little digs at the Greens.

Cheers,

Luke

eddie, there wouldn't be any democracy if no-one stood for election who wasn't 100 per cent. sure they would win.

As for MI5, you evidently know more about its inner mind than I do.

Dear Craig

I hope the campaign is going well and is positive.

Don't do negitive, it is a slippy slope.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

If Independents regularly start to defeat the main (controlled) parties it would be a huge cause for concern for MI5 and their godfathers.
The all-seeing eye is paying close attention.

Don't doubt it.

'eddie' might mock such a notion but he(she/it?) would, wouldn't they.

Craig cannot 'threaten' power on his own but if he is elected he can severely embarrass it. Craig will say the kind of things about systemic corruption that millions already know and want to hear spoken out loud in public.

If unrestrained truth telling were to take hold amongst our elected representative who knows where it would all end?

We do know where it would begin.....with media silence.....

......but this is a mode of behaviour that can only hold out for so long.

10 July 2009

"On July 8, Sheffield City Council voted to close Abbeydale Grange secondary school in Sheffield, South Yorkshire. The vote was approved by a cabinet meeting of the Liberal Party-led council. The school currently has around 600 pupils."...

http://tinyurl.com/lap988

That will be of interest to the voters of Norwich North,as it`s starting to happen all over the UK...

tinyurl.com/lle8b6

Jack Straw must be the executive of the establishment/unelected permanent government. To have Craig in parliament would be their worst nightmare. He'd want answers as we want answers to questions such as the following:
1) Is Aegis an extension of the British army without accountability?
2) Why is the government reluctant to hold an inquiry into Lockebie when all the evidence points to the fact that Megrahi/Libya weren't involved? There's very strong evidence that the bomb was put on the plane at Heathrow.
3) Why is the government so reluctant to hold an inquiry into 7/7 when there is so much conflicting evidence.
4) Billions of pounds have left the country under the guise of vat fraud and yet each case is dealt with in isolation even though most of the cases are related. Why doesn't government want to match up and get the perpetrators and of course our money back?

I see you have been flyposting, Craig "honest man" Murray.

http://norfolkblogger.blogspot.com/2009/07/craig-murray-honest-campaigner.html

You probably knew this was illegal, and that the posters would be removed. Was it a deliberate tactic to allow you to play the victim? "THEY (the evil political parties/NuLieBour-controlled BBC) are trying to SILENCE me!" Grow up.

If you had any support at all in Norwich North, you could actually ask people to display your posters in their windows, which actually is legal.

How many people have done so, Craig? How many people have put up Craig Murray posters in comparison to Labour, Tory or Liberal posters? Yeah, I thought so.

Jack Straw must be the executive of the establishment/unelected permanent government. To have Craig in parliament would be their worst nightmare. He'd want answers as we want answers to questions such as the following:
1) Is Aegis an extension of the British army without accountability?
2) Why is the government reluctant to hold an inquiry into Lockebie when all the evidence points to the fact that Megrahi/Libya weren't involved? There's very strong evidence that the bomb was put on the plane at Heathrow.
3) Why is the government so reluctant to hold an inquiry into 7/7 when there is so much conflicting evidence.
4) Billions of pounds have left the country under the guise of vat fraud and yet each case is dealt with in isolation even though most of the cases are related. Why doesn't government want to match up and get the perpetrators and of course our money back?

Quite **

Norfolk Blogger
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There are 650 MPs in Parliament. One independent is a nobody and means nothing. To suggest Craig in Parliament would be their "worst nightmare" is just SILLY. Grow Up.

P.S. Craig is not going to win. He is not even going to come in the top four. Get over it and move on.

eddie in parliament would be an even worse nightmare than Bob Ainsworth as Defence Secretary.

A grandmother of one of the soldiers whose bodies have just been brought home from Afghanistan said on TV tonight that Ainsworth ought to be shot. But he comes over as so thick I doubt whether if he was he would notice the difference.

Rob Speare

What`s up Rob...You sound very frightened...You need to build up your self confidence,stop feeling hopelessly inadequate. It`s not winning that counts Rob, it`s the taken part that counts,even though your party will lose,like so many that have lost their homes under New Labour and the Tories and God knows how many more in the future.This may help you...

http://tinyurl.com/lhpxa8

To suggest Craig in Parliament would be their "worst nightmare" is just SILLY. Grow Up.

I'm not suggesting, I'm saying.

Ainsworth, a former Jaguar shop steward, will have more blood on his hands than Hoon at this rate. I gasped when I heard tonight that the tenth soldier this week had been killed. It is a war (illegal) that cannot be won. The Russians failed with a huge loss of men and so have others over the centuries. Troops out now.

Ainsworth also had the highest possible second homes allowance and he's thick too.

Rob Speare, there are many people who have taken the poster, some just prefer to put them up in their bedrooms, can you blame them with such a good looking candidate?

Another point Herr Spear, one does not compete with sleazy, corrupt, unaccountable and selfserving dogma lapdogs, as much as you might like to paint them respectable.

They are the pits and need exorcising dear spear, nothing else will change these taxtaking crooks.
As for those Greens, what have they done for the City? On their big election drive/l that got them elected in the first place, recycling, have they yet managed to recycle food waste in Norwich? all this riding on recycling, but no clout or measured approach, a lot of hot air.
They have been presented with a plan years ago, by myself, equally they have gone soft on the idea of a tram, another innovative idea that died the death by their lack of nous, because they are unable to think pragmatic and ally themselves with other political groups and pursue real change.

Go to Norwich Market Speary mint and have a listen to what people think and say about Rupert Read and April Pond.

Another point worth mentioning whilst we are at it, Greens are soft on nuclear power, by their actions and opposition to green energy schemes they are letting nuclear power off the hook, giving the french a leg up in the controlling stakes. Their oposition to sea defence work that also generates a lot of green electricity has stifled the whole drive for alternative power development, instead they are promoting micro generation, unsuitable gizmo technology that looks hidious and does not deliver the goods.
Again this will turn off all those who want a reliable green energy source, not french controlled nuclear power or dependence on Russian gas, dissapointment with a green tinge.

Greens have been as responsible for the Housing scandal in Norwich, as the insidious labour administration, their inaction was palpable. If one is unable to have a controlling influence over the budget process, now that they are secong fiddle for some time, then there are no more excuses for being green behind the ears.
So do not despioar too much Rob, even those who like thier place on top of the moral heights are fallable and normal as the rest of us.

The title of this post is
"Ministry of Justice Blocks My Electoral Address: BBC Changes The Rules: UCU Bars Me From Candidates' Debate"

I haven't seen one credible argument from the trolls that explains any or all of the above. Just cheap digs and talk of paranoia. Plus announcements that, "he won't win".

'Nuff said.

The increase in troll density over the past week or so means that 'the intelligence services' really do care that Craig does not win in Norwich.

eddie, nobody said that "Craig in Parliament would be 'their' worst nightmare"

...... but the public ditching the funded main parties and turning to real independents certainly would.....this is unlikely to happen on a large scale such is the power of the mainstream media to direct allegiance, I grant you but.......

......many people, perhaps even a majority have 'had it' with New Labour and Tory politicians and with the bankers that, effectively, own them.....

....so at this rather unstable moment all things might be possible.

We saw Medvedev wave a coin of the new 'world currency' in the news yesterday so we know that the bankers have a 'solution' waiting after they crash the dollar this autumn.....

.....Please God people worldwide will reject this imposition of a unified global oligarchy on humanity, no matter how seductive the disingenuous arguments that are placed before us might appear.
Pray to God that we will, in time, cast aside these globalists, the EU fascist state and even, locally, our own parliamentary tyranny and take control of our own lives, our own society and our own financier-free destiny.

We should all support Craig. Not because it will change the world but because he is not 'owned' and we must do what we can.

The increase in troll density over the past week or so means that 'the intelligence services' really do care that Craig does not win in Norwich.

eddie, nobody said that "Craig in Parliament would be 'their' worst nightmare"

...... but the public ditching the funded main parties and turning to real independents certainly would.....this is unlikely to happen on a large scale such is the power of the mainstream media to direct allegiance, I grant you but.......

......many people, perhaps even a majority have 'had it' with New Labour and Tory politicians and with the bankers that, effectively, own them.....

....so at this rather unstable moment all things might be possible.

We saw Medvedev wave a coin of the new 'world currency' in the news yesterday so we know that the bankers have a 'solution' waiting after they crash the dollar this autumn.....

.....Please God people worldwide will reject this imposition of a unified global oligarchy on humanity, no matter how seductive the disingenuous arguments that are placed before us might appear.
Pray to God that we will, in time, cast aside these globalists, the EU fascist state and even, locally, our own parliamentary tyranny and take control of our own lives, our own society and our own financier-free destiny.

We should all support Craig. Not because it will change the world but because he is not 'owned' and we must do what we can.

"I haven't seen one credible argument from the trolls that explains any or all of the above. Just cheap digs and talk of paranoia. Plus announcements that, "he won't win".

'Nuff said."

I haven't seen one credible argument that supports Craig's paranoia that the "establishment" is out to get him. I can assure you that the state has a few other more important things to worry about. As usual you just resort to cheap abuse rather than argument. Can't you lot see that this is how David Shayler started off? The similarities are uncanny - a government agent who resigned on a so-called matter of principle, a failed attempt to become a public figure, a huge ego (with underlying mental health problems) thwarted by "the state" (i.e. the same rules that we all have to abide by), and next minute he is the Messiah. Go look at youtube. If it wasn't kind of tragic it would be hilarious.

Hmmm..lots of comments about Craig not winning...maybe he will suprise you...the fact that he is standing for the seat at all reflects his credibility and his passion for what he believes in. Ask yourselves this...after all the scandals concerning MP's literally stealing money from you, the taxpayer, who would you like to represent you in Parliament..a genuine honest man as Craig is, or some greasy flunkey slobbering over his expense accounts ?

"I haven't seen one credible argument that supports Craig's paranoia that the "establishment" is out to get him"

eddie

This is the EVIL they get upto.When will you get it through your thick skull...

http://tinyurl.com/mcl4bb

"Please God people worldwide will reject this imposition of a unified global oligarchy on humanity" -- anon

The number of people not paying attention (and not bothering to vote, even if they are already brainwashed) is frightening.

As is, for example, the way the South Ossetia conflict was presented in the MSM in the USA. Almost universally, they left out the fact that Georgia (backed by the USA) moved first. Not Russia. Neither was it mentioned that Russia had a UN mandate as a peacekeeping force in South Ossetia. The brainwashing goes on ...

"As usual you just resort to cheap abuse rather than argument".--eddie

Where on this site have I abused you, eddie? Can you post the quotes?
And have you read Murder in Samarkand?

eddie, who knows what 'more important things' the state has to worry about, is trying to misdirect traffic as usual.

He uses the word 'tragic' about David Shayler but to him Shayler is a mere opportunity to try and smear Craig.

Horrible little creepy troll.

He's doing no harm here though.

Visitors to this blog are of a certain intelligence, easily see through and are, hopefully, encouraged by such witless vitriol.

Dear All

Eddie is a wee troll, the poor boy will have to grow up each day it seems.

No long term planning for him.

Hope he gets well fed.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

I can't wait for someone in parliament to stand up and ask if Aegis, Tim Spicer's mercenary company, is an extension of the British army without accountability ie if it's a shadow army of the Establishment/permanent unelected government.

eddie: '...the fact that he is standing for the seat at all reflects his credibility'

I'm affraid one does not follow logically from the other my friend. The Monster Raving Looney Party is standing, this does not reflect their credibility. I'll judge credibility by political platform thanks

'eddie: '...the fact that he is standing for the seat at all reflects his credibility'

"I'll judge credibility by political platform thanks"

Posted by:??

So was that you, eddie? (and if it was, why not answer my questions above?)

Here they are again, for eddie:

"As usual you just resort to cheap abuse rather than argument".--eddie

Where on this site have I abused you, eddie? Can you post the quotes?
And have you read Murder in Samarkand?

"Eddie is a wee troll"

eddie is a "wind up merchant".He just comes on here to try and wind people up, he gets his kicks that way.Sad really.

Not sure if this has reached you Craig, but your old enemy Iain Dale, who is knocking doors in Norwich on behalf of Chloe Smith, has Tweeted: "Just seen an even worse leaflet than Labour's. Craig Murray's is incomprehensible and full of grammatical errors. Unintentionally hilarious"

"

"Eddie" is Iain Dale and I claim my £5!

"Unintentionally hilarious"

It would only seem that way to a sycophantic,twisted mind...What does that tell you about Iain Dale?.

Yawn. Paranoid bloggers in the safety of their armchairs, is that the Murray campaign? If the Establishment (wooooo) are after a no-mark like this, they must be daft. Move on, nowt to worry about here.

Oh yeah - and still no imprint? I reckon the thought police'll drag you off in the middle of the night for that, eh?

I can't wait for an honest man to stand up in parliament and ask why the government is so reluctant to hold an inquiry into Lockebie given all the evidence points to the fact that Megrahi/Libya weren't involved. I can't wait for someone to ask why the evidence that the bomb may have been put on the plane at Heathrow was concealed from the defence.
Even more I'd like someone to find out if the judges, all members of the Privy Council, brought in a verdict in accordance with the wishes of the Establishment/unelected permanent government.

How many people do you seriously think are going to watch a dvd election address? People of Norwich North are having numerous election communiations put through their letter boxes each and every day from all the main parties / candidates - they are fed up of it all already and are unlikely to even take the dvd out of its envelope before it is binned - and it can't even go in the recycling bin!!

Also, you keep accusing other political parties and public funded bodies of behaving illegally during this campaign and quoting the Electoral Commission guidelines. I am therefore somewhat surprised when walking around some areas of Norwich to find that you seem to be completely oblivions to the fact that fly-posting is illegal!!

"People of Norwich North are having numerous election communiations put through their letter boxes each and every day from all the main parties"--Victoria

Precisely - which will make a DVD a novelty and far less likely to be ignored. Me, I dump all leaflets from major parties without looking at them, but if I got a DVD from an independent, I'd certainly look at it.

"Paranoid bloggers in the safety of their armchairs, is that the Murray campaign?"--parasite

Maybe you think I should move to Norwich before I comment here. Obviously nowt to worry about in you. Juvenile.

dreoilin

Craig MUST have the opposition worried,they wouldn`t be coming on here and saying what they are if it were not so.

Victoria

Have you considered that an opposition party may be doing the "fly-posting" so that people like you will think as you do?. They are already saying things like..."I see you have been flyposting, Craig "honest man" Murray."

It is counter-productive to fly post so why would Craig and his team want to harm their campaign?. Not to mention that Craig wouldn`t do that anyway. As Craig has said dirty tricks are afoot against him.There will be many more I fear...watch this space.

Will you be doing a cavalcade through Norwich Craig? I think that would be one really good way to get attention and get your message out - nice and LOUD. You could really shame the BBC and the UCU by announcing to everyone that you were censored. Not to mention shaming the govt and Tories about expenses and their other too numerous to mention corrupt actions.

Craig

I would go big on this in Norwich...

http://tinyurl.com/mc3o8c

Start asking some questions about this...

tinyurl.com/kwba62

Craig, I'm in Norwich North, I disagree with leaflets anyway (sick to death of being hounded by Chloe Smith - who IIIS she??!)

LISTEN I suggest for you to go to Anglia Square (delapidated but popular shopping precinct) and TALK to PEOPLE on the street (not just invited audiences). Ask them how they feel. You'll find people who could be swayed, disillusioned with the treatment of that area of Norwich.

Good luck!

Craig, I'm in Norwich North, I disagree with leaflets anyway (sick to death of being hounded by Chloe Smith - who IIIS she??!)

LISTEN I suggest for you to go to Anglia Square (delapidated but popular shopping precinct) and TALK to PEOPLE on the street (not just invited audiences). Ask them how they feel. You'll find people who could be swayed, disillusioned with the treatment of that area of Norwich.

Good luck!

Where was it you are electioneering? It must be either in Iran or Zimbabwe judging by the corrupt political interference. Good to think this could never happen in Great Britain :-(

"Craig MUST have the opposition worried,they wouldn`t be coming on here and saying what they are if it were not so." --George

So we'll be happy to see more of them. :)

Dreolin - abuse? - you called me a troll, no arguments just abuse. I am happy to engage in debate but no one seems willing. Don't worry I'm used to it. You and your friends can't seem to argue, you just abuse people. 1) DVD is a silly idea, most people will glance at a leaflet but perhaps 1 in 10 will bother to load a dvd and watch it, quite apart from the environmental waste. 2) Craig is flyposting? That is illegal - hardly a good start for a wannabe MP is it? 3) He has no credibility as a local candidate and is not going to come in the top three. He is already setting out the reasons why he won't win - and I have said before it all chimes with general paranaoia about dark forces and state conspiracies, as if the state gives a toss about him. Stop wasting your time and money and do something useful - go and visit an old lady in your neighbourhood or go out litter picking - it would have more impact than supporting Craig's doomed election effort.

This is THE KEY isn't it ....

Angie: 'LISTEN I suggest for you to go to Anglia Square (dilapidated but popular shopping precinct) and TALK to PEOPLE on the street (not just invited audiences). Ask them how they feel.'

What do people need? First thing - and this is nearly the most important item - they need listening to. They need to be heard / we need to be heard.

I mostly related to the 1997 general election through reading Teletext messages on the television, maximum of 50 words, sent in by viewers. Many teletext messages were saying variations on: 'I will vote for the person I least dislike... no-one is expressing anything which means much to me'. This was the most common message in 1997.

In the 2001 general election, no messages of the above nature appeared on Teletext. Either those millions of people had given up expressing completely, or more likely, there was a new type of editing happening with Teletext opinions on the election.

FIND OUT WHAT PEOPLE FEEL

A politician doesn't need to say they will solve everything. Just listen, and learn. When we really hear people, what they say changes us. That's all that's asked: "Please listen to me. Hear my voice."

FIND OUT WHAT PEOPLE NEED

You'll notice Angie started by saying: 'LISTEN' !

Isn't this what Politics is meant to be about ... representing the people?

And what if you agreed with them, and considered some or all of what people need is possible. Then, if you stood for those things, you, and 'the people' stand a chance of both being happy.

You are largely standing on an 'Anti' platform, aren't you Craig. I think most people are fairly sure of what they don't like, so just pointing the finger at sleaze and dishonesty isn't a great heart-grabber. Better to ask people what they WANT, and then stand for those things. That's representation isn't it. Maybe you'll find out you need and want the same things.

Eddie would it upset you more if an MP voted to drop bombs on a nation or engaged in a bit of flyposting? (well, hanging boards on lamp-posts which is not exactly the same as flyposting)

Craig is only 'flyposting' in the face of organisations like the BBC denying him a platform. The main parties are being given unfair advantages - as usual - and the public is being denied information about Craig's candidacy. So he has to do things that other candidates are not forced to do.

I must say though, it is quite flattering that Craig has so many haters/trolls on here. Good to see he is rattling cages!!!!

Someone: "Better to ask people what they WANT, and then stand for those things. That's representation isn't it."

"Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, if he sacrifices it to your opinion." - Edmund Burke

Bella, it's a question that is meaningless and any answer would obviously depend upon the circumstance. I don't hate Craig - I have a certain amount of respect for him, but I am puzzled as to why his site attracts so many strange bodies. Perhaps that is the zeitgeist of the internet these days.