Between this, all the previous whitewashes, MPs expenses, an out of control police etc, it's quite clear there's a criminal conspiracy at the heart of British institutions to defraud the British people.

This is corruption on a massive scale.

Thanks for this assessment of the main suspects. I was almost prepared to give this inquiry the benefit of the doubt. No longer.

this will just create a very large report written in an eloquent manner which the public will not and does not care about. It will give the papers something to write about and give academics something to study and debate at the universities. Nobody cares what they say and we do not need an inquiry to tell us that the illegal invasion of Iraq was a mistake. They say we need to learn lessons. What lessons? it's simple stay out of other sovereign nations. There is no threat no Britain.

Unbelievable!

The audacity of it all.

If it wasn't so serious I could see this being a classic episode of Yes Minister.

"whitewash"

There are many different types of whitewash available.New Labour use...New improved industrial strength "whitewash" and copious amounts off it,delivered in supertankers..."Iraq Inquiry"(another bulk order just delivered).

What a game of snakes and ladders the Iraq war turned out to be! And all so unavoidable. All the 'powers that be' needed to do was be honest about the gravity of the situation concerning declining oil reserves and the looming energy crunch. Indeed, be as honest as government and the scientific community are being now regarding the ramifications of climate change, the two subjects both being inextricably linked. And in turn build an international coalition not of war, but of co-operation - to manage, use and in time wean the world away from those resources for the benefit of all mankind. Gunboat diplomacy was never going to wing it.

Anon: " .. snakes .. ".

Yes, indeed:

"Iraq inquiry: witnesses could be given immunity from prosecution"

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6639925/Iraq-inquiry-witnesses-could-be-given-immunity-from-prosecution.html)

Nice trick: set up the inquiry that people are demanding (or something like it), call the main players (so that said people are reassured this will be the dog's bollocks), then distribute "Get out of jail free" cards at the door. Slick.

Just as laughable, if not more, is the post-whitewash way the people of the UK will do nothing about it.

Perhaps the quicker the ship sinks the better for all?

The Cambridge philosopher F.M. Cornford said "There is only one argument for doing something; the rest are arguments for doing nothing. The argument for doing something is that it is the right thing to do."

By 'the right thing' he meant correct, appropriate, most effective. By all these tests, quite apart from the moral and legal issues, the Iraq war was a disastrously silly thing to do, and some of us were saying so before it was launched.

Is anyone that surpised anymore though?

Thought not.

http://www.iraqinquirydigest.org/?p=3487

Live webfeed. Patey is speaking now.

Anon,

We've been brainwashed. The "We" also includes the vast majority of politicians. Climate Change is an outrageous scam. The "science" behind it is not "science". It's a combination of religion and politics. CO2 is not a problem and most certainly is not a pollutant.

The World does face serious environmental problems, including and partially resulting from exponential population growth.

The logic for invading Iraq and Afghanistan, was of course based on serious concerns about the security of energy supplies, as well as support of the US Dollar.

For about a week, I took very seriously, the issue of "Peak Oil". This was about 6 or 7 years ago when I first read the website dieoff.org. The logic contained within this website is very convincing. It is however based on some fundamental fallacies, not least being the actual origin of oil. This can be explained by a knowledge of physics, rather than geology. A very good website on the subject is gasresources.net

The very major problems that we do face, can be resolved eloquently, if we first identify what they actually are. Currently nearly everyone is lying, and we are devoting enormous energy to fixing none problems, and ignoring the very real ones.

The "concensus" in UK politics with regards to climate change is indicative of the level of brainwashing of UK politicians. Only 3 MP's voted against the Climate Change Bill. Yet the recent release of emails and data (probably by a whistleblower) at the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia reveals the most outrageous scientific fraud (which has almost completely been ignored by the mainstream media).

The fact of the matter is that decisions are being made, that will seriously impact the future of the entire human race on totally false information.

So many people are lying, and so many decision makers are so completely ignorant of science, that we are rapidly heading to create the most horrendous problems for all humanity. Unless we stop, and start telling the truth based on objective evaluation of real evidence without any political or religious agenda, then we are heading for the mass genocide of Billions.

Whilst this will resolve the overpopulation issue, it will result in a hell on earth. There are far more elegant ways to resolve all the problems facing the planet and all its lifeforms. But with psychopaths in control, we don't stand much of a chance.

Tony

It will be interesting to see how (indeed whether) Patey's statement to the Committee on WMD in Iraq will be consistent with his laughing off the idea when you spoke. It will also be very interesting to learn what (if any) contribution Baroness Prasher makes. No doubt you'll keep your readers informed.

lol, I had the same feeling. But over in Harrys Place, you get called "anti-Semitic" if you ask questions about fairness.

As soon as I saw headline claiming that the new enquiry will be open and wide-ranging, I immediately recalled the old saying, 'Dont believe anything until its been officially denied', the corollary being in operation in this case. Also, it seems that Blair has agreed to give testimony at it, and that puts the seal on it. If that cheese merchant is happy to appear before it, then it aint worth a rancid toad fart. QED.

You menion that John Chilcot was a member of the Butler Inquiry which whitewashed the fabrication of evidence of Iraqi WMD.

A whitewash indeed. Also notable was the obscene and undeclared conflict of interests of the chairman of that inquiry, Lord Butler of Brockwell. Butler was actually on the payroll of MMC (Marsh McLennan Companies), a company which benefitted greatly from the military spending associated with the War in Iraq. When MMC acquired Kroll between 18th May and 8th July 2004, there was a direct conflict between Lord Butler's private interests as a beneficiary of the Iraq war and his role as a public servant reviewing the intelligence relating to that war.

More info here:
http://j7truth.blogspot.com/2009/08/war-is-racket.html

Any connivance will no doubt be assuaged by the 19 staff from various Government Departments who are working on the Inquiry.
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2009-11-11b.293566.h

The fact that the inquiry members are all Privy Counsellors (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/85690.stm) & that none of the evidence will be given 'on oath' suggests another whitewash.

Is this Inquiry subject to the Inquiries Act 2005?

More scams, more lies. The problem surely lies with the press and its failure to report on contentious issues. There seems to be a dearth of investigative journalism these days. One has the impression that too often the press places deference to the authorities (toadying to the establishment) ahead of professional reporting.

How can one expect MPs to risk speaking out on contentious issues if the press won't proactively support them if they do? Indeed, the opposite is the case; any MP who speaks out can be certain that the spin-doctors will campaign against him. Isn't it time the press held the spin-doctors to account and told us the truth? Isn't it time that the press demanded an end to Britain's unjust and undemocratic libel laws? It seems to me that the solution includes fighting for a free press. Surely it is time that the press threw off the shackles that bind it, and started reporting the whole truth in the public interest?

Like so much else in contemporary life, the 'enquiry' is designed to obscure and not inform or enlighten. That isn't what it's for.

A real enquiry would contain an impartial judge, an experienced prosecutor, and a bright lawyer specializing in international law, somebody like Prof. Phillip Sands. It would also have the power to demand that individuals attend and answer under oath.

The evidence that Blair blatently broke international law and is a war-criminal, is pretty overwhelming, however, there is no real will to pursue the matter, because this would effectively put the 'west' on trial as well, and the conclusion that our political system is degenerate, ineffective, corrupt, rapacious, agressive, criminal, and we are led by facist gangsters in smart suits, is simply beyond the pale.

I think 'old-school' bourgeois, liberal democracy, has all but vanished, except as a form of ritual, devoid of meaning. Power is not with the people, as it should be in a functioning and healthy democracy, power is increasingly in the hands of the powerful, the people who own and control society, a fabulously wealthy 'elite', people who live in a virtual, global, Versailles. Are only real hope is that they soon meet the same fate.

Good piece Craig.

I watched the opening of this committee this morning on BBC World. After I had listened to Sir John Chilcot introduce the other Sirs and the Baroness, I explained to my wife, who isn't English, that the mere fact that pretty much each and every one was a Sir or some other Lord, more or less precluded an honest outcome. With the exception of Music and Sports, you don't become a Lord or Sir in the UK without a great deal of brown nosing and following the estabilishment line. I'm sure there are some exceptions, but after reading your piece I feel that at least in this case I was right.

Tony, while I agree with your condemnation of wars fought for control of oil resources, I don't really see how the whole climate change debate is so dangerous. Regardless of your belief in the scientific evidence, I think it's hard to deny that fossil fuel resources are finite and that, at some point or another, we are going to have to concentrate on alternative, renewable sources of energy.

And, in my view, population growth is not currently one of the most serious environmental issues facing us, as the vast majority of population increases are in the 'developing' world where resource consumption and environmental impact is very low in comparison with the west. Population is actually declining in many 'developed' countries and, where it's not, increases are being driven by people living longer rather than by high birth rates. So campaigns in the UK for people to have fewer children are, I think, a little misguided.

From Gilbert's quote regarding the archives will eventually reveal the truth about Blair; had Gilbert not figured that the 'unknown' is a two edged sword?

Morning Star editorial

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/83650

Shabby and degraded
Tuesday 24 November 2009
TV pictures of the opening session of the Chilcot inquiry will not have brought reassurance to peace and justice campaigners, the families of dead British soldiers or, if they are aware of it, the people of Iraq.

Cosy images of privately educated career diplomats chatting affably around a table looked for all the world like the Establishment talking to itself.

And yet chairman Sir John Chilcot must be aware that his inquiry carries the hopes of millions of people who have been revolted by the whitewashes of recent years.

Anonymous legal figures have already panned the inquiry for not having a judge or senior QC on board, insisting that this means that there can be no pronouncement of guilt or innocence.

/......

Also a report by Paddy McGuffin
(www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/83663)
War Crimes Whitewash

It seems all the good guys have already jumped this ship of fools, for the sake of their sanity.

I wonder is this spokeswoman and her colleagues not in some self-denying mental psychosis. That often happens in authoritarian states where accountability and scrutiny are absent.

Or, does she really think the British people believe their lies any more?

"a Foreign Office spokeswoman said the government "rejects in the strongest possible terms the suggestion that a policy of complicity in torture has been in place".

She went on: "The report's allegations are not new and we have responded to them in Parliament. Some of these cases have already been considered and rejected by the UK courts.

"We have taken a leading role in international efforts to eradicate torture. There is no truth in suggestions that the security and intelligence services operate without control or oversight.

"There is no truth in the more serious suggestion that it is our policy to collude in, solicit, or even directly participate in abuses of prisoners. Nor is it true that alleged wrongdoing is covered up." "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8376732.stm

@Jon,

Interestingly you say peer review as though it is a panacea towards truth, in a thread that is questioning a political 'peer review' for its inherent bias.

As Mr Eugeniedes points out, some peer reviews are no more than circle-jerks.

JimmyGiro,

Indeed, this is what Al said in response, before it disappeared in a puff

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Tony

They seem to carry on putting on the same old shows over and over again with a predetermined outcome. Each time the distance between them and us grows. They are our fellow citizens but in reality they are our enemies bent on deluding us with their silly little games. They need routing.

The best impartial and in depth reading I have found on Terrorism, the UK's and US's role in Saddam's Iraq etc is work done by Nafeez Ahmed and can be found at voltairenet

I wonder is this spokeswoman and her colleagues not in some self-denying mental psychosis. That often happens in authoritarian states where accountability and scrutiny are absent.
Get out now!! at November 24, 2009 8:10 PM

>>>Most of the time, I believe these people are so mired in the culture they are surrounded by that they absolutely cannot see the wrongness of their beliefs and actions. It is psychologically more comfortable to cling to a 'tribe' which has brought them security. Ego defences do not allow most people to admit their wrongthinking and crimes, even to themselves.

We have to remember that these people have been led in into unlawful activities by leaders who are even more deluded: 'God told me to do it'. (quoting Bushbliar).

Stanley Milgram's horrible experiments: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment apply.

The whole of the UK is run by these deluded tribesfolks now. They will stop at nothing to coverup their lies and crimes. Not a one of them is able to think independently and just 'do the right thing'.

In our arrogance, we humans have learnt nothing, absolutely nothing...

Stanley Milgram summarized the experiment in his 1974 article, "The Perils of Obedience", writing:

The legal and philosophic aspects of obedience are of enormous importance, but they say very little about how most people behave in concrete situations. I set up a simple experiment at Yale University to test how much pain an ordinary citizen would inflict on another person simply because he was ordered to by an experimental scientist. Stark authority was pitted against the subjects' [participants'] strongest moral imperatives against hurting others, and, with the subjects' [participants'] ears ringing with the screams of the victims, authority won more often than not. The extreme willingness of adults to go to almost any lengths on the command of an authority constitutes the chief finding of the study and the fact most urgently demanding explanation.

Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.[4]

It's bound to be a white-wash in it's conclusions - the best we can hope for is for some of the testimony to reveal some of the truth

Sam - very true - and exactly what Primo Levi said about the prison guards at Auschwitz - he said they mostly weren't evil people, just people considering whether they'd be punished for disobeying orders, whether they'd be ridiculed, whether it'd damage their careers - so something as bad could happen again in any country at any time.

One of the main characteristics of 'senile democracy', in practice as opposed to theory, is that 'reform' of the system, the structure of power relationships, becomes more or less impossible 'from within'.

Normally society is controlled and run by a powerful elite, for their benefit and according, more or less, to their rules. Sometimes, for brief periods, the reins are loosened somewhat and the elite can and are challenged, their rule and cultural hegenomy questioned. This is usually connected to twin scourges of economic collapse and war, today one can add on environmental descruction on a global scale.

@all - JimmyGiro above refers to a post of mine, in which I responded to tony_opmoc's climate change denial. That post, from 8pm-ish last night, has sadly been deleted for reasons unknown.

In it I criticised the position that the media are brainwashing us with pro-climate change material; the truth is that whilst the media generally accept that the climate is changing due to man-made behaviour, they are actively avoiding proposing that we do anything *meaningful* about it. The latest Media Lens book contains much on this topic, including how the liberal "green" papers are still accepting advertising from airlines, car manufacturers, etc. - very much business as usual.

The final point I had made was that whilst climate change deniers (such as Tony) claim to have in-depth knowledge about physics and geology to support their position, it is unlikely they are more knowledgable on these things than the climatologists. My point on peer review is that, as far as I know, no paper disproving generally accepted climate science has survived the review process.

@JimmyGiro - the Iraq Inquiry can hardly be called peer review. As pointed out earlier in this thread, if the panel was balanced, and was not hobbled from the start, then we might have more faith in it. Accordingly, there is nothing wrong with peer review itself - it's just that the peers in this case are demonstrably biased.

Indeed, if we throw out peer review and the scientific principles of unbiased scrutiny, how are we ever to make discoveries as a society?

Jon and Tony Opmoc

It was deleted because I am pissed off with people posting on climate change whatever the actual subject under discussion.

Well, now you've pissed me off too. Christ, you know how to be properly rude to your supporters and volunteers, don't you!

Jon

Yes!

Craig - have you seen the Times editorial today? Laughable

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/leading_article/article6930416.ece

'There have already been two parliamentary inquiries into the Iraq war, along with Lord Hutton’s inquiry into the death of David Kelly and Lord Butler of Brockwell’s inquiry into prewar intelligence. It is increasingly obvious that some zealots will hold all such inquiries tainted until and unless they arrive at the “right” answer concerning Mr Blair’s supposed abuse of office. These sentiments have nothing to do with public inquiry. They are a demand for quasi-judicial processes to supplant the decisions of an elected government.'

It's Craig's website. He can delete what he likes. We must keep on topic in class. As regards the Iraq Inquiry, its as interesting to me as watching cricket, or paint or whitewash drying due to the participants - for reasons which have already been well illustrated. I'd rather go and watch a pantomime.

My contributions were more associated with the issue of lieing obviously illustrated with a politically incorrect example...

So here's a nice song instead

"Hide the Decline", by Minnesotans for Global Warming

youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk

Tony

Day 1
http://rawstory.com/2009/11/discussed-iraq-regime-change-month-bush-office-british/

US discussed Iraq regime change a month after Bush took office, senior British officials say

and on Lyne from medialens

(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roderic_Lyne#column-one)

Last two sentences.

He is an advisor to JP Morgan Chase who have been chosen to operate the Trade Bank of Iraq, which will give banks access to the financial system of Iraq.

He was a special adviser to BP, which currently has major interests in Iraq.

He is disqualified on at least two counts - past and present financial interest.

Chilcot and chums will not be using whitewash. Instead it will be oils, crude oils.

"another bulk order just delivered"...

http://tinyurl.com/yeobzow

'There have already been two parliamentary inquiries into the Iraq war, along with Lord Hutton’s inquiry into the death of David Kelly and Lord Butler of Brockwell’s inquiry into prewar intelligence. It is increasingly obvious that some zealots will hold all such inquiries tainted until and unless they arrive at the “right” answer concerning Mr Blair’s supposed abuse of office. These sentiments have nothing to do with public inquiry. They are a demand for quasi-judicial processes to supplant the decisions of an elected government.'

I see the Times is using propaganda to prepare the ground for the preprepared decision of the inquiry.
How carefully they used the word 'zealots'

'According to previously leaked documents, Ricketts, political director at the Foreign Office at the time, described the US in 2002 as "scrambling to establish a link between Iraq and al-Qaida", a link that was "so far frankly unconvincing". He told Jack Straw, then foreign secretary: "We have to be convincing that the threat is so serious/imminent that it is worth sending our troops to die for. Regime change does not stack up. It sounds like a grudge match between Bush and Saddam."'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/nov/24/iraq-war-chilcot-inquiry

He says "We have to be CONVINCING that the threat is so serious...", which implies that his discussion with Straw was about how to persuade.

If he had said, "We have to be CONVINCED that the threat is so serious...", one could believe that they were discussing the need for war.

This said it all for me in the 1960s.

Apologies if I have already posted the link.

http://www.photopol.com/portfolio/privilege.html

@Jon,

I sympathise with your desire for fair play and unbiased review; it's one of the few things in these political fora that most want despite our great differences.

Alas, politics, no problem in itself, is about our differences; and power, again no problem on its own, is about imposition of 'solutions'. But politics and power, are the ingredients of a chemical reaction, of which one of the by-products is often malfeasance.

Excellent post Craig, succinctly dissecting all of the panel members, 4 of whom are hardly 'disinterested'.

As for the Baroness, I'm sure you're right, that's the Cabinet Office box tickers at work.Her Ditchley connection means she's essentially 'sound', and not a 'zealot', as the Thunderer would have it. Unfortunately I think the only other 'woman of colour' in the Ditchley stable is Shami Chakrabharti, so that made Baroness Prashar something of a shoo-in, given Chakrabharti's relative youth, and complete lack of foreign policy experience.

Dear Craig

Great piece on Chilcot.

I am impressed, it is these insights that you have of the people that makes interesting reading.

Yours sincerely

George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

I have exported your excellent words to other websites, as your words, off course and have written my own bit of verbals on this extraordinary clutch of privy councillors today.
Its come out tonight that Saddams chemical weapons were not only disassembled, but their pre cursors had not even been mixed, far from being ready at all. secondly, he had no launcher to lopp them from.

Well, well who would have guessed, should we have not known after the brazilian UN diplomat Jose Bustani was outed by the Bolton/Bush team. He was a very good diplomat who might have succeeded, hence he was in the way of a war and had to be sidelined.
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq&specific_cases_and_issues=bustani
So lets not call this news, just a fact that was not deemed important enough by the media and power brokers of the time, it was hushed.
He was an able diplomat who could have succeeded in signing Saddam up, making any efforts to paint him as the bad madman, sound dislodged and unreasonable.
The OPCW could have succeeded and taken all these chemicals, which he bought from us, away again, making a future Halabja highly impropable.
Where the Bush team was interested in obfusing and controlling the UN agenda, Bustani's marked success was in their way, reasoning in Europe did not succeed either.

But as we all have seen on our screens, the boys wanted war, badly, their vested interest in, ahem godly warfare in the interest of all, especially those of the Carlyle Trust and another national arms firm already in the news for cheating the taxpayer.

Summing up, these cheats are now out to waste good money telling us that they are not responsible and not culpable, a whitewash team extraordinaire, a clutch of privy councillors who just couln't pull a herring of a plate, even if they were allowed to do so.

"Member of the Butler Inquiry which whitewashed the fabrication of evidence of Iraqi WMD. The fact is that, beyond doubt, the FCO and SIS knew there were no Iraqi WMD."

"The Brits previously revealed that intelligence and purported facts of Iraq's weapons programs were "fixed around" the pre-set policy of invading Iraq."...

http://tinyurl.com/ycl9ud6

Clearly the whole Iraq episode has been a horrible mistake, based on faulty and conflicting intelligence reports at a time of unfolding crisis with an urgent need to make quick decisions.

Yes. Mistakes were made. And, whilst clearly there are some very hard lessons to learn from this experience, obviously no one individual is to blame.

I'm afraid the system failed us on this occasion, and we recommend a full review of all operating procedures, to ensure nothing like this happens again and again and again...

That'll be £17,682,456.89, please.

The Stanley Milgram experiment.

I absolutely do not accept the conclusions of these pseudo-scientific social experiments, that most humans will follow the herd and commit crimes when set up to role play positions of authority over other groups who are role playing defenceless victims.
I have always found it a dangerous and offensive excuse which gets soldiers off the hook for committing war crimes. Before entering the social experiment, the individuals were each capable of smelling a rat and abstaining. I was educated privately with the sons of the great and good and I instinctively rejected everything they stood for and dreamt of achieving in their lives. I perceived the whole bunch with very rare exceptions as corrupt, ruthless, self-obsessed would-be criminals. They were no different then, than when they now control vast private or establishment institutions.

No. I absolutely refuse to accept that an individual does not have enough free will to detect and avoid crime, unless they are living under the control of an absolute tyrant, who will torture or murder them and their families if they don't comply. These excuses have become commonplace in the media and I believe them to be part of the conspiracy to persuade ordinary citizens to condone the inhumanity of modern warfare and Intelligence gathering crimes.

It's all a farce.

"Gordon Brown was accused of strangling the inquiry into the Iraq war at birth yesterday by refusing to let it make public sensitive documents that shed light on the conflict.

"A previously undisclosed agreement between Sir John Chilcot's inquiry and the Government gives Whitehall the final say on what information the investigation can release into the public domain ...

"Crucially, disputes between Sir John and the Government over disclosures would be resolved by the Cabinet Secretary, Sir Gus O'Donnell."

http://tinyurl.com/ybhfe6s

Yes. Mistakes were made. And, whilst clearly there are some very hard lessons to learn from this experience, obviously no one individual is to blame.

I'm afraid the system failed us on this occasion

Inquiry report, the mistakes were generated, they were not just left to happen by chance, the system has been manipulated many times before.

Unless we reform Government and how we elect and choose our reps, whether we make them accountable for the wage they earn, or let them scheme at free will, we will not get change to a sytem that is mallable by greed and envy.

Well, Craig, if you are proud of being rude to me - as I suppose I should have expected you to be, given your colourful history - then I have no further sanctions left.

Meanwhile you appear to leave untouched strings of posts from Tony variously about his wife, his wife's doctor's advice, how lucky he is to be married to his wife, his daughter's studies, his son's internet business, the bands they go to see - and as you know, the tiresome, irrelevant list goes on. Yet when I make a reasonable response to correct an off-topic post, it's me that gets clobbered.

Still, Tony is right - your systems are private property and you can delete reasonable posts and keep the drunken ones if you wish. But the more you do that, the less people will spend time commenting, lest your itchy delete finger render their input a waste of time.

In my case, you run the risk also of alienating a volunteer who drove a 300 mile round-trip, suffered car breakdown half way, and ferried you and volunteers around, to support your candidancy in NN. A degree of politeness would therefore be appropriate, I would think.

Just to say that you are not alone in your quest for more and more Tony space on here, Jon, I agree with your points made and we must give more web psace to the needy.
And thanks for your support in Norwich North, it was appreaciated, I like meeting new people who can think out of their alotted box.
Copenhagen matters to all fathers, its relevance is overshadowing other, equally important issues surrounding human rights, torture and illegal wars, the EU's new administration, the moralist drugs policies, meaning cheaper alcohol for all, and much much more.
I for one enjoy your posts on here Jon.

Jon -

Sorry, I should explain that I intended to delete both Tony's response and your reply to it, rather than just your reply. I think I perhaps deleted the wrong one of his comments. It really wasn't you I was cross with. Tony had sidetracked I think the last three entries into climate change denial, and I was getting fed up with it. You were collateral damage, for which I apologise.

"just the boys for it"

"JOBS FOR THE BOYS"

"The Official Secrets Act is not to protect secrets, it is to protect officials."...

http://tinyurl.com/yeoe

Am I allowed to go off topic and put this trougher story on?

Baron Brooke claimed £140,000 for overnight allowances.
http://tiny.cc/kjhXZ

We all know for whom Anthony Blair was working, even if some people are too diplomatic to mention it. He was recently paid off with a $10 million "prize" from 'Israel'. Talk about making it obvious!!!

Democracy and Christianity are both tools of the powerful, in order to maintain and promote a powerful hidden elite. We have witnessed the lack of respect they have for humanity. Soon we will be next to oppose them and suffer the consequences, either way.

Do you have any funny or clever riddles? Post them :)

What gets wetter and wetter the more it dries?
You throw away the outside and cook the inside. Then you eat the outside and throw away the inside. What did you eat?
What goes up and down the stairs without moving

Bootleg Movies Online

Of course depend upopln the boxes.

I need a Riddle ASAP! i know this sounds extreamly werid but i need a riddle. Dont ask why just give me something!! thanks!

the day the earth stood still

In other word, one after the flowers we only turned once, some one to copy their writingupon a black board, thazn it usually receives.

watching the panel chunter on with questiionsakes one wonder why-if it is public money it could not be carried out against a planned programme and made into a fixed price contract,,,?
worse why carry on when the Haitti disaster needs so many funds to help prevent loss of life far exceeding the total loss in i raq to date? a waste of money= our governments continually never seem to learn

When governments act without responsibility and set up their own Inquiries to justify their irresponsible actions--and no one can bring either to account--then you know that "democracy", like "Christianity" is a control tool for "social engineering", in the hands of a powerful elite, for whom, governments work.

It looks as if we will have another whitewash on our hands.

MJ is wrong. There is a threat to Britain. It was brought about by the illegal invasion of Iraq and the attack on Afghanistan. If you invade a country without cause they have every right to respond by replying in kind so can you lable them as terrorists? Thank Mr Blair for the attacks on London!

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ups sorry delete plz .