As up-to-date as ever.

Note to self:
Stay away from french bread covered with LSD.

I wouldn't recommend anyone takes LSD, and haven't done such a thing since 1984.

Some people go completely insane, and never come back to be able to do what they once could so brilliantly - like for example Syd Barrett of Pink Floyd. For others like Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac, they stay there for around 30 years before finding a way back to recovery.

I don't know if LSD is still available, but its extremely weird very powerful stuff. I have no experience of the modern equivalent Ecstasy, though I suspect it is a very much milder experience.

I have been told that Magic Mushrooms can be even stranger than LSD. I used to work with an artist who was still getting horrendous flashbacks, years after taking them.

Incidentally, I would recommend the new film Alice In Wonderland in 3D, no matter how old you are, providing there is still something remaining of the Child in You. If you have no imagination and innocence left in your heart and soul, then you will probably hate it.

Tony

'For all those nutters who cry "Conspiracy theory" whenever...'

Now that's how you turn the tables! You really ought to dedicate some more time to this writing lark, Craig. How about a novel or two?

Exactly. There was a conspiracy - one that actually happened. One wonders which conspiracies are being hidden from us today, only to be revelaed years later.

Sandoz. Christopher Mayhew. R. D. Laing and the IRD. Baroness Caroline Cox.

How did she get away with it?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8564017.stm

www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2009/05/a_gentlemans_di.html refers

"For all those nutters who cry "Conspiracy theory" whenever it is stated that the CIA have ever done anything wrong"

Now that's just silly.

Name one person who shouts "conspiracy theory" when it is pointed out that the CIA did anything wrong.

If that's a swipe at me - I can count numerous things that the CIA did wrong over the years. I think they should start anew, and have everyone interview for their jobs.

However, I do shout "conspiracy theory" when people claim that the CIA is hiding Bigfoot or the space aliens or that the CIA preplanted Building 7 with supersecretnanothermie because there was a CIA office in there.

I think you should familiarize yourself with the notion of what a "conspiracy theory" is, as at least 80% of your regular commenters seem to buy into anything, like bin Laden buzzing the WTC in a black helicopter just prior to 911.

But, in any event, what do we have here with this LSD thing? I'd like to see more evidence, of course. This might very well be true, as it's a claim that is not entirely extraordinary.

However, unlike you, I don't automatically believe it because it's in the Telegraph.

You're starting to have some weird faith in some weird things, Mr. Ambassador. You're starting to sound like your commenters.

Larry,

As you obviously think I am a conspiraloon, I will mention a few things that have arrived over the last 24 hours direct to our home. I don't think the CIA were responsible for any of them, though one of them was the result of an interview for a job.

1. A Chinese Lantern complete with enormous red heart. It arrived sometime in the night and landed right outside our back door.

2. A Mobile Fast Broadband Dongle that I plug into my laptop. The most amazing thing about this - is that it actually works - incredibly well - unlike other offerings I have tried - and is very cheap indeed.

3. Confirmation from my daughter's new employer about her new job. Now you may think it is easy trying to get a job when you are 19 at University, to help pay for all the stuff you want to do, but many people get to the age of 23 with a first class degree and can't find any kind of paid employment whatsoever.
Sure its only the minimum wage for a 19 year old, but the experience will be invaluable.

As regards people who believe the official conspiracy theory, I can explain that very easily, because I have also studied psychology and taken part in psychological based leadership training, though I refused the brainwashing course, where they basically destroy your own inate personality, and rebuild it in the company's image.

Tony

What's that strange, vaguely annoying whine wafting in from St. Louis.....?

This is not so interesting as Karl Rove, declaring that, water boarding is not torture.

I would like him to undertake some water boarding, to see if he changes his mind.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Olson

Has more on that bit. It seems to have been where the popular 'think you can fly and jump out of the window' story originated.

Several years back, I was chatting on a newsgroup with a retired New York copper, he said he'd been hoping to meet such a case, because he knew what to do about it. "Nah, you don't really think you can at all. No confidence, see ? If you really believe you can fly, you'd go down to ground-level and do a proper take-off like everyone else".

Bread Mould Madness...

Oh & see http://preview.tinyurl.com/yhko45c for a thourough analysis/debunking of David Aaronovitch conspiracy theory of 'conspiracy theories'.....

I sometimes wonder, in a 'Man Who Was Thursday' sort of a way, if there are any conspiracy theories which are *not* true, when what they have most conspicuously in common is a clear antithesis to establishment narratives. In this propagandistic method anyone expressing doubt of an official narrative is, ipso facto, delusional. CTs are worse than errors, they are dangerous heresies.

Perhaps someone who uncritically believes all of them ends up with a more realistic view of the world than someone who believes none.

I can attest that being spiked is truly terrifying. I was spiked with LSD back in the early 90's by 'a friend' who thought it would be a laugh to drop a tab of acid into my pint after work. It scared the crap out of me when he started to turn into a strange liquid metal/mercury being in front of my eyes (think Robert Patrick in Terminator 2). Apparently I started laughing hysterically and was whisked home in a taxi by which time I had to be pinned to the floor by two rugby playing housemates for several hours until I finally stopped screaming and fell asleep. I woke up on the living room floor two days later. I suspect that had I been living in a leafy suburb rather than a dodgy and noisey estate in Hammersmith I would have been carted off in as straightjacket as I was according to eyewitnesses 'proper mental'. I have had the odd flashback over the years and a few problems with my memory - most of the 1990's are just a jumble to me.

Sorry to 'spike' your guns, but thoroughly debunked here: http://tinyurl.com/y9gtup5

One further reason why we should all strictly follow the Murray diet:
one shot of whisky, four times a day, will kill off any pesky mind-altering pollutants.

And, of course, stay away from Nouvelle cuisine!

"I can attest that being spiked is truly terrifying."

I bet. Among people already familiar with it who'd recognise what was happening when it kicked in, and in a social setup where other people were friendly with such states, it might be different, but to have that kind of stuff happening without knowing any explanation (except the obvious, that your mind was going wrong), among other people who ditto ... bleargh. And, to be surrounded by people who were doing it deliberately for manipulative purposes ? Much, much worse, if they knew what they were doing.

The article doesn't go much into the purpose of the experiment, apart from a vague comment about 'offensive weapon' - incapacitation, pure and simple ? The Olson thing was supposed to be about use in interogation; which leads me to notice that we haven't heard much about drugs being used in this current era of interrogation-by-torture. I wonder if they gave up on the whole program in despair of finding any meaning in what they were hearing, or whether we still have those discoveries to come ?

One thing that strike me as strange is why do it overseas? I would of thought it would be easier to observe and cover up in the USA. Do it in Smallsville USA and if someone asks questions tell them to think of Uncle Sam and keep quiet!

"thoroughly debunked here"

Eh? The writer picks up on the misuse of the word "diethylamide". How on earth does that debunk the overall veracity of the story?

“For all those nutters who cry "Conspiracy theory" whenever it is stated that the CIA have ever done anything wrong”

Oh come on now. Conspiracy theories are implausible, elaborate and incoherent musings based on made-up narratives such as that David Kelly was murdered in July 2003 to pave the way for the Iraq War in March 2003.

"Sorry to 'spike' your guns, but thoroughly debunked here: http://tinyurl.com/y9gtup5"

The article itself looks like bollocks, but there are some possibly-good points about ergot, etc, down towards the bottom of the comments.

I say 'possibly' because it also asserts that the telegraph talks about 'aerosols', and is thereby debunked by tracing it to bread; which ain't so, if you look at the telegraph *headline*. Sheesh. Which seems, to me, to call the rest into doubt, too.

There is a certain amount of vague talk, conflation and general journalese in the telegraph piece, too, though.

I guess I did it about 25 times in the early 80's over 3 years or so.

I was always in a very safe envirnoment with people I could trust, and in a very good mood.

If in an unsafe environment, or it being done without pre-knowledge - ie in being spiked as in the example above, (or even in a depressed state even in a safe environment), I can well believe that it could be like a trip through the worst parts of hell, and possibly drive you permanently insane from which there is no escape.

On the other hand...I never had a bad trip, but would never do it again. I once had a bad experience with something else, which made me totally give up all such experiences.

I have no personal experience of what I believe are the most destructive drugs like cocaine, heroin etc. I have never personally known anyone who took heroin, though I do know someone who went to her best friend's funeral at the age of 23 as a result of heroin, and I know a quite a few people, who have successfully managed to give up cocaine after it almost completely destroyed their lives.

Cigarettes and Alcohol may well be more physically harmful and kill and injure Millions more people, but if you have lost your mind, there is often no way back.

My sister refused to take any opiates, even when she was dying of cancer, because she didn't want to be turned into a zombie, having personally seen the effects in the people she had cared for as a Nurse.

Tony

Bert,

I'd agree with the writer of that article who said that Aaronovitch's definition of "conspiracy theory" is inadequate. That's true but the writer makes some mistakes of his own.

"Aaronovitch seems to be unaware of Christopher Andrew’s book, The Defence of the Realm: The Authorized History of MI5 (2009)."

That's probably because Andrew's book was published after Aaronovitch's book had been written. Voodoo Histories came out in May 2009 (I think) and Andrew's book came out towards the end of the year.

Then there's lots of JFK stuff in which the writer seems to be unhappy that Aaronovitch hasn't read enough about. The problem is that by now, no one can possibly have read enough of the JFK assassination to satisfy conspiracy buffs. They'll always be just another book or video to watch. That's not in itself a good enough reason to suspend judgment (and what conspiracy theorists usually mean when they ask people to suspend judgment or be "open-minded" it is to believe in a conspiracy).

"Oh come on now. Conspiracy theories are implausible, elaborate and incoherent musings based on made-up narratives such as that David Kelly was murdered in July 2003 to pave the way for the Iraq War in March 2003." angrysoba

No, if it was political assasination, it would've been likely to have been effected because Kelly knew too much and had been perceived as a loose cannon at that particular juncture, someone who had information which could have posed a political threat to the Blair government and seriously undermined the justification for the attack and invasion of Iraq and thus exposed (from the inside) neocon war strategy.

Here is clear evidence of a CIA conspiracy in relation to LSD, an attack on an ally by the US state. What more is required, to demonstrate the malevolence of those who propel the machine of the US hard state and its war economy (of which the UK is a courtier and to which it is a contributor)?

Angrysoba, Why always mention the David Kelly conspiracy theory and not ones on the other side of the fence, like the conspiracy theories that Iraq had WMD and were working with Al Queda?

Is something only a conspiracy theory if you think it's false *and* it is unofficial?

Lots of official explanations for things are theories about conspiracies and have implausible, elaborate plots to boot in many cases. Are they somehow exempt from your scepticism?

Plenty of official explanations turn out to be false, too.

Some false official explanations are also theories about conspiracies, yet somehow don't get labelled as conspiracy theories and the people who believe(d) in them don't get the ridicule they deserve.

Personally, I hold contempt for people who believe anything dodgy without sufficient evidence. I don't care who came up with the crazy explanation that just-so-happens to fit their agenda/prejudices/fantasies, whether they're a nutter in the street or in the government.

A country that 'nuclearised' people on purpose to find out what it would do to them, including pregnant women, can be trusted with more than a special relationship.
I find this plausible and just as the CIA was dealing in cocaine during the 70's, arms and drugs always went together, this LSD story is just down their street.
The British army did the same and found it to have a devastating effect on soldiers,i.e. they sat down, through their guns away and stopped fighting.

Should anybody ever disperse LSD over a battlefield, you will see organised carnage turn to chaotic hilarity.

As for all the bad trips we experienced during the 60's and 70's, what did people expect?
These LSD doses were cooked up in some welsh valley by amateurs who were partial to the stuff during its production, hoe could they possibly get it right.
In my days it was always advisable to take a half at first, if it was too strong you'll soon noticed.

Potency today is far less, todays illict manyfacturers do tend to use modern methods of dosing.

The story is a good subject for David Mitchells new programme 'the bubble', perfect.

Jacob's Ladder.

"Is something only a conspiracy theory if you think it's false *and* it is unofficial?"

angrysoba's position is actually simpler - a narrative is a conspiracy theory if it is not the official narrative. Abstruse considerations like 'truth' do not concern him - he is himself wont to spell it 'troof', to emphasise its irrelevance. What he opposes is heterodoxy. It's a religious position.

My weirdest experience was when I was about 27. I had split up with my girlfriend. I was very straight and very hard working at the time. I hadn't even smoked a cigarette for around 5 years.

And then I met this hippie girl. She said try this. And so I smoked a couple of joints a couple of times - and thought - what is all the big fuss about cannabis? I'd rather have a couple of pints any day. This stuff is a waste of time.

And then on the third occasion....

I was sat in her lounge and there were a few people there talking and chatting about nothing much really and Jimi Hendrix was playing on the radio.

And I came out of myself, and I left my body, and I went up to the ceiling, in the top corner of the room, and I could clearly see my body below, and I could clearly see everyone else in the room chatting through the smoke haze.

I thought fucking hell, it does work. I wasn't expecting this.

It has never happenned again.

Now, of course I tried to rationalise this experience, and did not come to the conclusion that this was proof of my soul as an existence totally seperate from my brain and body.

I put it down as a mental illusion as a result of being stoned.

I will be extremely impressed, if I can repeat the experience when I am dead, but think this rather unlikely.

Tony

"No, if it was political assasination, it would've been likely to have been effected because Kelly knew too much and had been perceived as a loose cannon at that particular juncture, someone who had information which could have posed a political threat to the Blair government and seriously undermined the justification for the attack and invasion of Iraq and thus exposed (from the inside) neocon war strategy."

No, the theory on these pages was that the Dr Kelly was the first casualty of the Iraq War.

"Angrysoba, Why always mention the David Kelly conspiracy theory and not ones on the other side of the fence, like the conspiracy theories that Iraq had WMD and were working with Al Queda?"

I've said that I didn't believe them either right here on these very pages.

See what you've done, Craig, with your first sentence? You've started us all off on conspiracy theory - CIA & Cocaine, David Kelly, JFK...and...and there's another one, isn't there? But we are not allowed to mention it, because we'll get banished to the bad dungeon.

If the Pont St Esprit incident was an experiment, then there should be evidence of observers or agents, and that seems to be just what Albarelli's "White House Document" refers to.

Pont St Esprit - "The Bridge of the Saint of the Spirit"? Interesting name for the site of such an experiment, given LSD's ability to evoke spiritual experience:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysergic_acid_diethylamide#Spiritual

Administering any drug, but especially a powerful psychedelic, without the subjects' knowledge is one of the most intimate violations possible.

"angrysoba's position is actually simpler - a narrative is a conspiracy theory if it is not the official narrative."

As the blogger that Bert linked to pointed out, the official theory of the JFK assassination is that it was a conspiracy. I don't believe it.

"Abstruse considerations like 'truth' do not concern him - he is himself wont to spell it 'troof'"

I am concerned with "truth", I spell the lies that are spouted by Truthers "troof". There is a difference.

"What he opposes is heterodoxy."

No, I do not but I don't worship radical heterodoxy as if it were in itself something virtuous. That is just silly and the road to crankdom.

I think LSD is the most plausable explanation for Building 7. It was tripping and just misjudged staying up.

I have no idea if this is true, but I read somewhere that Dr. David Kelly was much more than just a Weapon's Inspector, but also an Incredibly Talented Scientist, and at the time of his Death The Top World Authority on Biological Weapons of Mass Destruction.

I very much doubt if he committed suicide, but I also don't think Tony Blair had anything to do with his death, and was as shocked as everyone else. It was a Massive Embarrassment For The British Government, and Probably More of a Warning To The Individuals within The British Government more than anything else.

Do what you are TOLD - or You will be Next.

But maybe I am naive.

Tony

The CIA drug programmes do have a lot of things about them worth investigating. They ran secret prisons (also in Germany and Japan) maybe throughout the whole of the 50s and into the 60s and adminstered LSD to people in brothels (knowing that the subjects wouldn't talk about it afterwards) but then the CIA destroyed a lot of its files when the House Select Committees started up in the seventies. That's where the documents that led to this place in France came from.

Some people have suggested from this that Sirhan Sirhan shot Robert Kennedy under one of these programmes.

And then some people think that all the assassinations that have ever happened have been under the influence of some mind-control substance. On Internet forums they often write; "MKULTRA!" which is the name of one of the programmes.

Thing is giving someone LSD isn't likely to make anyone remotely capable of assassinating anyone. Still less turn them into pre-programmed killing machines. IMHO.

Tony, you're not naive. I agree with you. In fact, I'd say that like Thomas de Quincy, you're a Head.

Angry has a fixation with the Kelly murder - sorry - "sucide"

It seems obvious that anyone attempting covert control of people would experiment with secret administration of many different drugs.

Exactly, angrysoba, they were indeed up to no good. They experimented extensively on prisoners without consent and even dropped viruses on US towns.

"It seems obvious that anyone attempting covert control of people would experiment with secret administration of many different drugs."

I think you know more about this than you're letting on.

Suhayl Saadi,

What exactly do you mean?

"you're a Head"?

I know this Brilliant Guitarist. Even now he is only about 35.

About 8 years ago, he came out of retirement and played ONE fantastic Gig.

When he was about 20, his band STONEHEAD was on the point of signing a Major Record Deal, or maybe actually had. I forgot the detail - but he did give me his CD and it is really good.

He has got a completely Lovely Girlfriend who is Totally Straight and Runs a Brothel..

But when I see him, which is only about once every few years or so, he is completely Stoned.

I was so delighted to see him a couple of years ago, that I insisted he come back to our home.

His Girlfriend Drove Us Back Home In This Enormous Great Multi Person Carrier. I guess She Does Corporate Entertainment. It looked Brand New.

And he came in with her

And I said

This is a Guitar

Tony

Angrysoba, you cant prove anything, not a DAMN THING, right, and anyway, I did buildings not people!

"It was tripping and just misjudged staying up."

It tripped ?

There's a really good article at
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14649 with the
title 'Did MI5 kill Dr David Kelly?'

When I saw him play. It was about 8 years ago in Devon.

He had this really Special Guitar in a Really Special Guitar Case...

And I don't know how to explain this if you are not really into Music...

But there are a Few Really Wonderful Unique Vocalists in The World...

Where if you hear them, you know instantly who it is even if you can't instantly put the name to them...

Well its the same with Guitarists

Of course there are Many Thousands of Guitarists all Over The World

And there are a Few

Who have got their own unique sound and style

Its nice to have actually met one, and he has actually come into my home and played on My Guitar

Tony

The reality is that the CIA is at this moment organising genocide in Afghanistan, totally censored from our media networks. Our daily bread of news is laced or even LSDed with trivia and fantasy, while the CIA organises its atrocities.

And so after we had got back from our weekly shopping at Sainsbury's £112. It costs more than twice as much when our daughter is back home from University (She has a Lot of Friends)...

He showed it me.

I said it is Fucking Massive

He said I Know Dad

And I have sorted out all the details. We will need a wagon with the Street Lifting Gear...

It is Here.

Oh, and although I have sorted out all the details and will pay for everything myself...

I am only 21 Years Old. You have to be over 25 to drive this thing...

So he hasn't yet exactly scored the fine details of the deal...

I whispered to him

(You do realise it is Mother's Day on Sunday hint hint....)

Tony

Acid, man... yeah, peace and love... Jesus wept. My brain is struggling to cope with the mind-boggling irony of the habituees of an anti-war and human rights blog failing to comprehend why someone might take acid with a view to committing acts of violence. It's the kind of chucklesome scenario that would be appreciated greatly by someone who was, in fact, on acid.

Someone remind me NEVER to trip with Anonymous at 8:29.

After I had been made redundant, and learnt how to write computer games, such that I was on the point of launching my own Computer Games Company in Manchester...

A Few Years Later Whilst I was working for a company that is currently paying my Pension...

I did the artwork for a new computer game that no one has seen yet on a Commodore 64 when on ACID

I still have the artwork

Tony

I think it was Larry, but he noticed the twigs on my elephant trap just in time quickly to cross out his name.

Paint the twigs dayglo green and pink next time, Anno, he'll never spot them then.

You are off course right anno, this brainwashing celebrity and electioneering agenda that washes over us is designed to uphold the glossy front, whilst the back is showing rusty nails and stickyback tape.

They are spinning so fast that two extra revs would send them skywards like a ricocheting bullet.
I am equally aghast at Mr. Rove's noncholance in expressing his support for torture, I would like him to back this up with listening to some, maybe he would like to volunteer for a 48 hrs cell session in Bagram 'C'.
'Its ok mum, the other boy did it first, so its OK for me to do it as well', the Roving kind of reasoning, another man that should not cross my way.

She Always Knew she was different unlike her elder sister and younger brother who both went to Cambridge to collect their Top Ph.D's

She thought No I can't compete with that, I will just be myself and do my own paintings in Brighton

And I hadn't seen her in about 10 years, but she turned up at my brother's funeral with a beautiful newborn baby

I was so delighted to see her, and said give me your address...

But I was really depressed about my youngest brother's death - her dad's was about 10 years earlier...

But now she has a sister for her first born Mutsa

And there is only about 18 months between them, so I have bought the Two Girls Matching Outfits

I hope they fit

Tony

Do you think the defenders of America will defend this like they defend torture?
Will they say America were giving free LCD to the french?

One of my early tripping revelations was that the TV News is Not Neutral - I could almost feel the hooks gouging into my brain - had to turn it off and put music on. Heavy.

LCD Arsalan? You on something really visual?

Tony, you are a purveyor of porpoise songs. May your ocean be tidal and may it resonate in Middle C. Have you heard of Martin Stone?

Jesus wept and his tears became wine. Drink from my mouth, he said, and I will fill thee with light.
Didymus Thomas

Clark, did you levitate the Pentagon? If not, don't you think it might still be a good idea? Levitate it, spin it around and then toss it into a big black hole.

And My Mum would have been completely Lovely To Her...

But it would probably have killed My Dad...

As it was, he was as fit as a fiddle and still working full time and going to work on his motorbike at the age of 72...

But if I had actually bought my new girlfriend home....

Well I don't know

From being as fit as a fiddle he dropped dead in 3 months

And My Girlfriend's Parents sent her to Pakistan for an arranged marriage

She was born and bred in Manchester. She was completely English and drunk pints of Shandy in West Gorton Working Mens Club (Later Filmed in Shameless)

So How Am I supposed to Feel?

My Dad has Dropped Dead, and My Girlfriend Hs Been Shipped Off To Pakistan.

Shit Happens

Tony

Suhayl, I think you worked it out! That plane must've gone UNDER! Wow, man!

More seriously, I am no longer a pacifist - humanity are not yet that advanced. Militaries are an unfortunate necessity, but must be accountable and under proper democratic governmental control.

The Pentagon already is a Black Hole - for money.

Elephants happen.

And so I thought whatever I do, All the People I Have Really Loved since I watched Andy Pandy With My Girlfriend Susan Speakman...is taken away from me..and Everything I Do Is Wrong...

So I got to the Age of 23, and I Thought Well I am Going To Do Something For Myself

And it Was The Most Beautiful Really Hot Summer of 1976

And I went to my local gliding club

And I saw this kid Flying a Glider on The Ridge...

He was like a Spitfire Pilot

He landed and I spoke to him

And he was about the same age as me

I thought FUCK ME

I WANT TO DO THAT

That is Far Better Than Riding a Motorbike

So I Did

Tony

According to Illuminatus! (Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson, 1975) The Pentagon was made that shape to imprison a demon within (Yog Shogoth, Eater of Souls?). When a hole was blown in one of the walls, someone attempted to complete the shape by drawing a chalk line.

The kid was the soul-face of your next incarnation.He's still gliding.

If you go near the Pentagon, you can feel the evil vibes... it's like being on the ridge overlooking Mordor. Except it's flat and it's a metro station. In the bowels of the Pentagon, however, there is a first-rank demon. If you put your ear to the ground around Pentagon City, you can feel the undulations of his breathing.

The back-drop to this story is all about mind-control and brain-washing

Anyone wondering if Timothy Hampton or David Kelly were murdered, and it seems very likely that both were, should consider the case of Colonel Frank Olson, who very probably was murdered, although that only became known following a second post-mortem more than twenty years after his death that found he was bashed on the head before being thrown out of a hotel window.

Frank Olson, a biochemist, he had been employed since 1943 in the Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick, Maryland. Olson was seconded to work on project "MK Naomi" a sort of sister project to (but quite not the same thing as) the CIA's "MK Ultra". MK Naomi was intended to produce drugs and psychoactive chemical weapons, for battlefield use and for interrogation of enemy spies who might have time-sensitive information of the highest importance. Olson came to Britain to work at the British Microbiological Research Establishment (MRE) at Porton Down. Olson was part of a team which was developing aerosol delivery systems for biological weapons that included staphylococcus enterotoxin, Venezuelan equine encephalo- myelitis, and anthrax.

Olson wanted to concentrated on counter- biological warfare, trying to find vaccines and special clothing that would protect against attack." He despised the use of mind-controlling drugs, considering their use a form of torture.

While working at Porton, Olson updated a team of researchers from Sussex university who had read secret documents of the CIA's MK-ULTRA programme into mind control, brain-washing and torture using LSD and other substances that possessed psychoactive properties. He told then he thought the research 'was unethical' and designed to 'control' the mind such that it could be used to carry out psyops operations and assassinations.

I was far more geeky and useless at chatting up girls than was JJ in Skins

But I had an excuse.

Not only was I not on any drugs whatsoever - not even for my myatonia congenita...

Both My Parents as Their Last Born Mistake Did Their Utmost For Me Such That I Would Go To Upholland Boys Priests Training College

I turned up at the age of 10

And Thought

FUCK THIS

I Prefer GIRLS

And Came Home The Same Day

Tony

Tony, you might've become Father Ted instead.

Microbes:

Wouter Basson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wouter_Basson

The shits in Apartheid South Africa were deliberately experimenting with microbes in an attempt to manufacture a biological warfare agent that would attack, specifically, black Africans. The CIA and MI6 were hand-in-glove with them.

LSD, like all psychoactive chemicals and plants, can be either a powerful medicine or a dangerous drug, depending on your perspective and the circumstances of your exposure to its effects.

I'm not sure that the Telegraph article stands up to close scrutiny - there seem to be some reasonable doubts about the claims - but what cannot be denied is that our culture has failed to come to terms with the implications of the so called "psychedelic" experience.

Afterall, many cultures around the world seem to value and benefit from the visionary or "altered state" experience. We are rather unique in our prohibitionist attitude in this respect. Alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, sugar are our sanctioned intoxicants - and they are not very inspiring, all things considered. Is there a conspiracy here? Or are we not mature enough to make informed decisions regarding our intoxicants of choice?

Magic mushrooms, which grow abundantly in Britain, have been recently declared illegal here. Why? Were they causing as much damage to our society as alcohol does?

Check out Sadie Plant's work on this subject, or the recent magisterial "Singing to the Plants" by Steve Beyer, on his experiences with the plant based shamanism of the Amazon peoples.

Clark - "Someone remind me NEVER to trip with Anonymous at 8:29."

You'd need *reminding* ?

"Paint the twigs dayglo green and pink next time, Anno, he'll never spot them then."

Paint them spotty, then he'll think he doesn't have to.

How do legislators take themselves seriously when they make a law against people eating something they found on the ground?

Unfortunately, the apparitions in Knock, Co. Mayo, in 1879, predated the establishment of the CIA, so we will have to continue to look for alternative explanations for this particular phenomenon.

Telling everyone which drugs they may never take is flip-side control-freakery to forcibly administering a drug to an unwilling / unsuspecting group.

@Clark

It could be fun, I'd probably try to wind you up a bit - as you might imagine.

Acid, in some situations, removes one's sense of fear, makes violence seem amusing, and keeps one awake for a very long time... ideal, from a certain point of view. You lot going on about the 80s football hooligans' drug of choice is pretty funny - well, depending on your sense of humour...

A couple of years ago, he wrote to me really excited, he said he had looked round the monastery and was really looking forward to having all these Nuns Fussing Over Him

I replied by letter

Don't be So Fucking Stupid

Tell Mounim To Fuck Off - You Have Been looking after him for over 10 years now since you Sponsored him as a Student as a Favour To His Parents in Morocco

And Rent Out Your Now Free Spare Room in Your Lovely Cottage

To a Student

Pick The Prettiest Nicest Girl Who Turns Up

So he Turned Down The Nuns

And Is Still There

And So is Mounim

I thought it was a Good Idea

He Much Prefers Pretty Girls

Mounim gets paid less than £60 a week as a Carer

He was earning more as a Security Guard

But they Fired Him

He can't Go Home to Morocco, Because His Dad Sent Him Away To England When He Was 19

And his Dad has been telling all his friends in Morocco how well he is doing in England

So we brought Mounim down from Lancashire to London to get all his legal details sorted out...

And he stayed the weekend and met all our friends

And he played the drums

Tony

fluellen at March 12, 2010 10:46 PM

well surely in former times the establishment couldn't have had the plebs going on some lsd space trip when there was work to be done and wars to be be fought.

Now of course with a profesional army to do the fighting and with little work for the working class to do, with the out-sourcing of manufacturing to former colonies and the like, it would be a good time to hand this shit out to one and all. Keep them quiet and off the streets when the real shit hits the fan and the economy finally disappears down the pan for good...they would only be fighting and smashing the windows of american beef burger franchises...

when Karl Rove was thinking of water boarding, maybe it was on the surf off Haiwaii?

Anonymous,

yes, I dare say you could do that with Acid, you could probably focus the experience any way you choose. But would you really trust yourself, in the grip of that mighty drug, not to slip into hyper-empathy mode just at a moment that you were most open to it?

The hooligans I saw were carrying beer cans.

I have just realised that this Friendship has lasted over 50 years

In fact the longest living Real Friend I have ever had...

Is a Roman Catholic Priest

Yet I Slag Almost EVERYTHING About ALL RELIGIONS expecially the Roman Catholic One Off REMORSELESSLY

But I Guess it is a Spiritual Thing

Nothing Whatsoever To Do With Religion

More About

God

Tony

And No, God was Called Bronwen, Otherwise Known as Tinkerbell

She was Well Off The Scale

She Was a Bit Younger than Mia and lived in Stalybridge

Mia is Australian

And IS ALICE

Both My Wife and I thought She Was Perfect

http://www2.disney.co.uk/DisneyMovies/alice/

Tony

If an unpalatable explanation is proffered, just shout 'c o n s p i r a c y t h e o r y' ! !!!!!!

Basically - shit is always hapening in the world and we - sanitise - in the West the big shit that is happening out there. Guess what - the Western media is not really concerned about the deaths of "non-humans"...

"http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14649"

@Clark

'I dare say...' Err, no - I'd suggest you don't know what you're talking about, and that you should stick to discussing human rights.

It's a truism that you can discover more about people by moving away from subjects they prefer to talk about (often themselves - or, as it happens, human rights), and instead discussing some other topic. In this case I'd say the willingness of folk on this blog to talk unadulterated mince doesn't do much for the perceived veracity of their more, so to speak, on-message pronouncements.

I've been reading this blog for about three weeks or so, and I have to say this thread has pretty well put me off reading the comments in future.

Anonymous,

I spoke honestly from my own experience, though many years ago. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to upset you. What you described is not an experience I've had, or would want to have.

I took LSD once, in a spirit of curiosity and scientific endeavour. I followed good advice and did it in a place I felt comfortable (my flat) and with close friends whom I trusted. The LSD was of good quality and not adulterated.

It was a horrific experience. I thought I was dying. I went to my bedroom and crawled head first into my sleeping bag. I stayed like that for hours, waiting for the effects to wear off. It was as though I was trying to return to the womb.

At least I knew what had caused the problems. Giving it to people who are unaware is a dreadful thing to do.

She is Called Shamiso Aaliyah

He did say he was going to Manchester - and I thought it was tomorrow

He said it is tomorrow

And he had this fan and various other bits and pieces in his hand and another server or two in the back of MY car - he has smashed his up again - but has now got nearly all the parts

I said isn't there another way to do this rather than driving 500 miles

He said well no not in the timescales available

This Server is Glowing RED HOT

If I don't sort it out now, I may lose the Business

I said O.K. We were planning to Walk To The Pub Tomorrow Anyway

Its Prime Irish Top Rump Roast Beef and Yorkshire Pudding and Roast Potatoes Cooked Slowly in Beef Fat and Fresh Vegetables and The Best Gravy In The South Of England For Your Tea Tonight

Do NOT BEND MY CAR

If you don't understand the things I write then maybe you are a theoretical person

Who

Studies history or studies design or studies the testing, production, marketing, sales, deployment, customer feedback and personally provides incredibly fast customer support and development

And maybe gets a job teaching what you have learnt

Or maybe you are like my 21 year old son who just fucking does it - Live and For Real

If He Fucks Up - His Company Goes Bust

If He Is Successful and Rapidly Grows His Company,

Then he can Take His Mum & Dad & Sister Snorkelling and Diving In The Most Beautiful Part of The World where He and His Sister Got Their Full PADI Certificates When She Was Too Young

So I guess I will Be Driving a Massive Great Truck Again Next Week

Tony

Whilst because I have been retired for over 5 years and just have a pension to live on, and I am feeling guilty buying the very best kit Direct from the manufacturers agents in Hong Kong For about £10 - and it is Brand New and that includes postage as well

He tells me the day's rental for the truck with the lifting gear is about £120.
He showed me the kit

I said For Fucks Sake

He said well you did say about The DESIGN and said you probably need one of these

I didn't realise that it weighed over a half a ton

I asked isn't there an easier solution, can't you do it from here?

He told me what The Power Was Coming Into The House in volts, amps and other numbers

And said - look Dad if we are going to be serious about this, then we have got to do it properly

Yes I know but half a ton?

And he looked me up and down

And so I agreed.

I will drive the Truck.

Tony

In case you are wondering, it is not drugs. It is a Heavy Piece of ENGINEERING

Tony

Keep Up

No one told you when to run
You missed the starting gun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl7zjAdJyZQ

Tony

I then a got a bit worried after thinking about using Gary McKinnon's hacking skills and thought I better write this on the Main Man's Personal Diary with a pen on his paper, so they wouldn't bomb the truck with their Drones

No it is not a Very Powerful Laser Machine That We Can Paint The Sky With.

We've Already Got One of Those.

Its Not Dr. Judy Wood's Directed Energy Weapon Either
- Because there is No Way It Would Work

No its something much better than that.

It doesn't Destroy Anything.

It does the Opposite.

Tony

Tony: May I kindly offer you the same advice I sadly had to give to a very old friend who is now drowning, and almost beyond hope. Switch to a pint or two of water every now and then. When he does so, I can get some sense out of him for a while.

Some people never came back: the heavenly singer, Shelagh MacDonald, for instance. Others created great art as a result of their experiences. Others say it's wonderful and terrible at the same time.

It can trigger overt psychosis (eg. Syd Barrett), particularly but not exclusively in those predisposed (by family history, for example).

But both fluellen and parky have made very good points. The CIA were certainly systemically involved in cocaine-Contra trafficking in the Americas and it is entirely credible that they may well have been involved in pouring heroin into the inner-cities of the USA to complete the destruction of the Black Power movement and the Black Panther Party.

We have never come to terms, though, with psychedelia as a concept. There tends to be a censorious knee-jerk reaction anytime one alludes to it in any context; I've had this idiotic, patronising and somewhat machismo attitude from some reviewers and others in relation to some of my stuff. This is to be expected.

Anonymous and stern 1980s psychologist: at the risk of sounding partonising myself, please have a cup of tea on me, and try to develop both a sense of the absurd and of humour; some find that it's good for their sanity. Tony: please don't have any more cups of tea. But do put on 'Mass in F Minor' and go searching for the Ancient Mariner.

Not surprisingly... an article like this will encourage us all to reminisce about our experiences and narrow misses with mind-altering substances. I have to say that it is the only evidence I have that there is more to this universe than meets the scientific eye. Of course, it isn't objective so it doesn't count as evidence. Such is the nature of reductionist science.

But the matter that got prominence on the media yesterday was Karl Rove condoning waterboarding... as ever, with a neocon, the news being presented unchallenged.

I suspect that many in the UK will go with this news item, and say "yeah... he's right, make the b******* suffer". I suspect that an opinion poll in the UK over the next few days will show that more support the use of torture on terrorist subjects.

It's that media narrative again... and that's what - in a democracy -should (but isn't) being challenged.

Suhayl, thanks for mentioning Shelagh McDonald. Hadn't heard of her, but listening now to "Dowie Dens of Yarrow." Yes, what a voice. Will look out for her albums.

I've encountered a similar reluctance to discuss the psychedelics among literary types. There is a sense in which they seem to be "hidden in plain sight." Many contemporary writers have derived inspiration from them, and kept quiet about it. Anyway...

Certainly the CIA has previously has explored the potential of psychedelics for use as mind control and as a "truth serum" - the MKULTRA programme. So, I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility of them dosing a village. It's just that in this case the evidence isn't particularly strong.

The ergot fungus which may have infected the rye grain used to make the bread is very similar to LSD. So the case is likely to have been of interest to the CIA, as indicative of the possible uses of these drugs. It doesn't follow that they infected the bread themselves. If they had there would be a major diplomatic row. And the French don't seem to be bothered.

the above was posted by me.

I think this is an interesting thread. I've interviewed lots of people who've done acid, and read the Doors of Perception, and Storming Heaven, but never had any desire to try it. I did take (a carefully calculated) 6 locally grown shrooms once; they made me feel light & clear & laughter-filled for ten minutes.

As Leary said, the 'set' is vital. And he was taking top quality stuff. On the other hand, it doesn't necessarily result in anything great, or in anyone great; Ken Kesey, perhaps, but he'd have been like that anyway, one suspects.

Yes, I don't see why the French town can't have been ergot: it was supposedly behind the Salem witch burning hysteria, and other such stuff, wasn't it? It would be like the CIA to claim credit.

In fact I hear from the ground that 'soldiers' in Iraq & Afghanistan these days are quite likely to be off their tree on speed; a very aggressive, cheap drug and much more suitable. Or alcohol.

fluelen, excellent reasoning. Sadly it won't matter. Because Craig Murray and his band of misfits will believe anything put into print by writers for World Net Daily.

Hopefully they'll stay away from so-called "evidence" that Obama wasn't born in the U.S., as you can see how easily they will believe anything.

Larry, please, consider dropping something, somewhere, sometime.

But maybe you already have.

Why are you so very committed to defending absolutely everything - even on relatively humorous threads like this one - to do with the US hard state? Even members of the US hard state don't all try to defend everything it's ever done! And why is your attitude and tone so aggressive? There's no need. Just put your point-of-view, man.

'Band of Misfits' is a real compliment, you know. Better than 'Band of Conformists', any day. I'd rather be 'Miss Fit' than 'Miss Universe'.

fluelen, you're right about some literary types. It's a post-1980s thing. Yeah, Shelagh Mac is now allegedly living in various Homeless Hostels in Glasgow. Tragic story.

fluellen: which contemporary writers, do you think?

"so very committed to defending absolutely everything"

Just on this very page I stated my belief that the CIA should basically be reworked.

I just find it funny how you silly people believe anything as long as it's from one source and reflects badly on America.

Criminalisation of the psychedelic substances intensifies the problem that they pose. It is a divisive policy.

It is my impression that various societies have formalised or ritualised the use of psychedelics, such that experienced users guide novices through their early experiences. Such a structure is outlawed by criminalisation.

So more novices have bad experiences, we hear more horror stories, and the authorities gain justification for their policies.

Prohibition does not work and it has produced a plethora of drugs. Nowadays the punishments to society, according to a UN study, are more draconian than the effects of the drugs themselves.

maybe Larry would like to tell us something about cannabis dispensaries in California and how much extra taxes this move brings to the coffers of the most indebted state of the Union?

At least it would give him an incentive to big it up with us misfits here, no more need to be insulting.

Larry,

you're describing a reaction. With so much corporate media supporting the hard US position, so much historical evidence of its disasterous outcomes, so many instances of suppression at the time, a small group of commenters with limited public exposure tend to over react.

US influence is invasive. The previous thread was about the "islamification" of the UK. I've seen far more Americanisation of the UK than Islamification, yet it is far less controversial.

Suhayl writes, "'Band of Misfits' is a real compliment, you know. Better than 'Band of Conformists', any day. I'd rather be 'Miss Fit' than 'Miss Universe'."

Agreed - nicely put.

'It is no measure of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society' - Krishnamurti

By the way, posted this on a previous thread, after Tony's comments: there's a UK based internet TV channel which covers social justice issues just started:

http://visionon.tv/

Vronsky, sounds like a lovely frame of mind :)

technicolour - "fluellen: which contemporary writers, do you think?"

I think it would be wrong of me to name names. It can be a fun game speculating, and was a common topic in the 60's apparently: "Yeah, that poet Ted Hughes, he KNOWS it." Which is not to suggest that Hughes took LSD of course.

It's a private thing, and if trippers don't want to come out of the closet, so to speak, then I'm not going to "out" them.

"go searching for the Ancient Mariner."

Douglas Adam's book 'Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency' has an interesting riff on all that stuff (and how things might have turned out differently). If you've read the second part of Kubla Khan you'll know all this already, of course ;-)

http://tinyurl.com/yuddel

Technicolour,

thanks for the visionon.tv link. I found the following article, US school spied on student at home via school issued laptop webcam:

http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html

technicolour - I don't think giving amphetamines to soldiers is a new development.

Clark - "reaction". Yes. Norman Tebbitt's "poisoned legacy of the permissive sixties", and onwards. A lot of the analysis would be economic - which I'm not good at, but the 3-day week (and its causes) popped a lot of bubbles. I keep thinking the pendulum's got to reach an end-point and start moving back some time, but I don't know ... socially, a lot of things have moved all, over the place, and still are, but the politics of it ? "There Is No Alternative". Dead-ended.

peacewisher - torture, & "yeah... he's right, make the b******* suffer". I heard a fragment of a GWB speech a few years back, in which he flatly refused to deny that such things were being done, on the grounds that to be sure it wouldn't happen would give "aid and comfort to the enemy". He wanted people afraid of it, seemed to be the main point, with attempts at a "respectable" level of plausible deniability as almost an afterthought.

Pinochet. No-one expects the Spanish Extradition ! Maybe it never occured to any of them that they might ever want to visit any other countries anyway.

fluellen: OK, but I assumed you'd be guessing. Is it that bad a thing to admit to? I'm thinking of Huxley :)

Don't know if this has been mentioned already....Weyburn in Saskatchewan Canada had a 'custodial mental institution' where inmates were experimented on with LSD among other things. Electric sock therapies and lobotomies were also played about with. No concept of informed consent...in a mental institution.

Sensory deprivation experiments were alos conducted at MicGill University in Canada, I understand, and the research helped inform some of the interrogation manuals produced by the CIA.

Whether or not there's a link between 'research' done at Weyburn and the American's, I don't know.

It would be nice to discover how Canadian researchers through the Universities have been aiding in the formulation of US torture manuals, either deliberately or otherwise.

"Electric sock therapies"

It's a variant of Godwin's rule, perhaps. The sheer mention of acid is enough to make everything seem surreal.

Larry, you did indeed, I'd forgotten, point taken.

Richard, 'The Electric Sock' was a great band! The soul, no doubt, of The Electric Prunes' (Mass in F Minor, I Had Too Much To Dream Last Night).

Suhayl, I vaguely remember that last title. It reminds me, I meant to follow you up a while back - you mentioned Blossom Toes (I think it was you ?). I lugged a massive open-spool taperecorder into school one day to play a John Peel session of theirs, in response to the music-teacher's "What is this Underground Music you speak of ?". "Peace Loving Man", IIRC. Can't remember a note/word of it, never heard anything of them since, or indeed thought of them, until you reminded me. Forty years, eh ?

Hey Fluelen...

You say:-

"If they had there would be a major diplomatic row. And the French don't seem to be bothered."

So, when the French intelligence is involved - you actually expect the French Government to focus the spotlilght on its own wrongdoing?

Actually - would just be like the BAE prosecution all over again. So, the French are smart - they are smart enough not to start what they know will never reach the end - becauase, the end comes full circle...

He Got It By The Way

I Reckon if He Bought It New it would cost over .....

There is an Exceedingly Good Chance It Will Work Perfectly

And if not it will be worth more in scrap metal value

If I can't Encourage My Son to Buy Really Expensive Kit, That He Will Need To Expand His Business, For Next To Nothing...

Then I will have failed to pass on the skills learnt when I was a Kid, Growing up in a Terraced House in Oldham

I guess its called Capitalism

But not really, because he is not going to sell it, he is going to use it, if his next deal comes off

And may even employ a few people

Its amazing what you can do if you try when you are 21 years old and your Dad is shouting for you as if you are 7 years old on the football pitch about to score your first goal

Tony

This is for Craig's Brother Frazer, because if what he posts here is True then he does this Shit For REAL

And so...

Well anyway, I did not like The Oscar Winner - The Hurt Locker

And so said this somewhere...

I know Gator hates me for what I said, but maybe he didn't realise that I live near to Headley Court and all these legless Soldiers keep turning up at our gigs and dancing with their artificial legs.

I just didn't want the same to happen to his Son.

And maybe he doesn't realise that I have met a 27 year old Lad at a Pimps and Tarts Party...

Who Didn't Fake It In The Most Appalling Movie

The HURT LOCKER

In Retrospect The Movie The Hurt Locker Is Really Funny

The Four SAS Guys

Would Have Killed Every Fucker There Including The Fucking Americans

Before They Knew They Existed

Tony

There are some aweful movies about like Seven Pounds...

Now Seven Pounds is a BRILLIANT MOVIE, if you go in cold and have no idea what the Film is About...

And if you go in all innocent like, you will still not realise what the Movie is About

And You Can See The Positive Side and You Can See The Negative Side

But I Cried on Christmas Eve

Because I Could Not Believe That My Culture in Europe Cound Be So Evil

So I read the words and I checked the links to the Government Websites

And it seemed it was TRUE

Now She Was COMPLETELY BEAUTIFUL

And would have been about the same age

She Lives in England

And I Totally Fell in Love With Her

Her Parents were from Serbia

And her cousins were being captured and killed for their Body Parts

I thought how can Anyone Do That to Such Beauty

And I Just Cried

So that is what 7 Pounds is About

Its like saying it must be O.K. - cos I Gave My Body Away To Save The Lives of 7 Others

Another Example of BLATANT PROPAGANDA
submerged in a brilliant movie

Tony

"So, when the French intelligence is involved - you actually expect the French Government to focus the spotlilght on its own wrongdoing?"

Why not? In the US, the Church, Rockefeller and House Select Committee on Assassinations focused the spotlight on the CIA wrongdoings.

Completely off topic but so is most of the foregoing.

Bliar, the murdering monster, is to tour A M E R I K A with his Faith Foundation spending an allocated £4.5m to 'unite faiths'. He has acquired some very strange connections.

Delusions of grandeur? Chutzpah? Or just insane?

See the bit about Clinton and Stronach. Stronach's father is the founder of the car parts conglomerate, Magna International, that was involved in a proposed takeover of GM which Mandelslime was overseeing. She flew Bliar to Canada in her private jet when he launched his ghastly Faith Foundation using Messianic imagery.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/mar/14/tony-blair-faith-foundation-america

Richard, Blossom Toes, yes it was me - you can get CDs now of their work, a very good and inventive group they were, too. Orange Bicycle was another superb combo of the same era.

"Why not? In the US, the Church, Rockefeller and House Select Committee on Assassinations focused the spotlight on the CIA wrongdoings."

Easier to avoid and ignore it - which is what the French government is doing to avoid the complicity coming out.

Bliar, forerunner of The Antichrist, foreskin of the War on Islam.

mary,

Thanks for the link -

Blair, a megalomaniac who desperately wants to be in charge of something has decided to be the front man of a universal faith accomplished by stripping the identities of the six major religions. This of course in preparation for the Lord of the Universes' New World Order - One World - One Faith.

While he is going around proclaiming his NuNew Testament of Antony Blair faith, we shall examine his disgusting, bloody record.

Shoulder to shoulder with George Bush Junior, he lied us into smashing Iraq and the consequent death of more than a million Iraqis. A man unwilling to condemn the Israelis' invasion of Lebanon in 2006 and the destruction wreaked in Gaza in 2009, he has lost credibility among Arabs. He failed to achieve any progress on Middle Eastern peace as representative of the UN, the EU, the US and Russia.

"He is – at best – a total irrelevancy", says Jerusalem-born Dr Ghada Karmi of Exeter University.

The story of Tony Blair could come straight out of Tacitus. An ordinary little middle-class boy with all the correct attitudes (the rich should subsidise the poor., the military should be kept on a tight rein, civil rights should be defended against inroads of the state) but with no philosophical grounding and little capacity for introspection, and with no inner compass save personal ambition, embarks on the voyage of politics, with all its warping forces, and ends up an enthusiast for entrepreneurial greed and the sedulous monkey of masters in Washington, turning a dutifully blind eye (see no evil, hear no evil) while their shadowy agents assassinate, torture, and 'disappear" opponents at will.

In a few years the only remaining memory of Blair will be that insidious empty grin.
Yuk

Actually, Private Eye has had a regular feature on the Rev. Blair's new mission - Drawing All Faiths Together (DAFT) - for some time. Clearly, they either had inside knowledge of this or anticipated it remarkably well.

This story is looking shakier.

http://reason.com/blog/2010/03/12/cia-doses-french-bread-with-ls

Thank you mark, what apt and representative autobiographic recount of Bliars confused and at times dictatorial time as leader.

Its shows that leaders have really nothing to offer us, they are easy nobbled by vested interest.
Three cheers to a decentralised power system, how I yearn for accountability in the locallity, although I'm also aware that it will never happen here.

Tony

The Hurt Locker is a film I watched it the other day. I wouldnt take it too seriously.I know the same as you as I just watched the movie but I got the impression the British guys were security guards or bounty hunters as they mentioned the two guys were worth £500000 dead or alive. I dont know for certain but I doubt serving SAS troops would be allowed to recieve bounty payments ? And anybody who has ever watched any US war movie will tell you the Americans won the war alone without any help from anyone...

he Stuart, I popped in the other day to say hallo, but you were otherwise disposed.
have not seen the hurt locker yet, thanks for your personal review, I shall wait until it comes out on tv.

Elections again, deja vu of sorts, how much bumpf has come through your door, as yet? no doubt tons more blue stuff to come.
My best wishes to all downstairs.

Thanks Mark

People inside Bliar's cabinet like Ckare Short have said that he was obsessed by his 'legacy'. this appears to have been a Tacitus-like appraisal of a historical statesman. A curious form of autism - writing your auto-biography in advance. The jolly old Gospel states that only God can forgive sins, but the post-Paul Christianity states that the shedding of Jesus's pbuh blood expiates sins. If the Gospels are right, and they are confirmed by the Qur'an, and if, in addition, Jesus wasn't killed, which is revealed in the Qur'an, then there are all these sinners going round with their sins un-redeemed. By their religion's formula, they think they have been forgiven and to confirm their misconception they have to proselytise their faulty thinking with religious tours. Otherwise they would have to 1/ re=write their premature auto-biographies and 2/ go back to repent of their sins. Obviously spending £3.5 million is easier for him, but repenting might be more productive. Let's hope he starts to do it sometime. Forgive me if I am treading on your doctrinal toes. It took me quite along time to change mine.

Tony: "I dont know for certain but I doubt serving SAS troops would be allowed to recieve bounty payments"

Right. Which is why they were contractors. In fact, Ralph Fiennes' character in the movie was named "Contractor Team Leader".

"And anybody who has ever watched any US war movie will tell you the Americans won the war alone without any help from anyone..."

What the flying fuck are you talking about? I suppose in the miniseries Band of Brothers there weren't any other nations' soldiers at the end, but the whole point of that miniseries was to follow that particular company throughout the war.

So what movie? What war? Who is this "anyone" who would say such a stupid thing?

I think you're a bit too blinded by your anti-Americanism.

Larry
There will never be any film that can describe the hell created by US forces in Iraq.
Bechtel are one of the civil contractors who have been given the task of providing water. They receive dosh from Iraq, to NOT provide water, while Iraqi water engineers have to watch helplessly without wages. Security contractors do the same. They take money from the Iraqi government to deliver security, but they only deliver insecurity.

If you were pro-America, you too would be anti-America about these things. That's why you are a known troll. Take a look in the mirror and say.' Hello Troll. Where shall we go and make mischief today?' Hasn't your boss told you yet, 'DON'T-FEED-THE-BLOGGERS'. ??

Anno (Borat), tell me more about the Jews.

Now they just subcontract http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/15/world/asia/15contractors.html?hp

Larry (Boring), tell me more about how much you are paid.

real clever

"Anno (Borat), tell me more about the Jews"

Try a google search Larry. Interesting reference to Borat. Do you have the amazing Sacha Baron-Cohen over there? I thought he'd be too cringe-making for American tastes.

Larry
I have done a "find next" on this page. You are the only person who mentioned the word Jew.
So you are the antisemite.

MJ, clearly you don't understand America.

What google search? Something that points me to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

Arsalan, are you arguing for a statute of limitations on thread comments? Clearly you and Anno are creepy racist Muslim morons.

Dunno what's wrong with anti-Americanism.

The Americans have been running around the world for many years now slaughtering millions of innocents. They're a nasty bunch.

Seems the right approach to take to these murdering filth scumbags.

You're surely not suggesting people support these activities, are you?

'Clearly' Something wrong with your eyes, Larry. Try cleaning the mirror and looking again.

I'm just surprised that Craig Murray didn't say that since he was at the FCO, he knows that the CIA exposed these French people to LSD.

Don't worry, Larry. It's not that you're off-topic, it's that you're off-planet.
To ordinary people, the activities of the CIA, whether in South America, the Middle East, Afghanistan or France, appear to be beyond the lunatic fringe of our furthest imaginations. I can remember forty years ago in Greece, 100% anti-Americanism.

Did the people who colonised North America take some cultural viruses with them from Europe? Or did emancipation from Europe mean emancipation from the rule of law? Most US citizens appear to me to be thoroughly religious and law-abiding. So why have your people allowed themselves to be taken over by this criminal obnocracy? I wish you could explain.

We in the UK have been infected by the same viruses. Are they our own viruses which we have caught again? Or is it that Christianity is fundamentally flawed. You have to have the latest antivirus software, which is Islam, to find a cure.

If Islam is such a cure, why does it lack appeal? Specifically, why is the spread of Islam in the UK failing?

Larry, you are a tedious bore. Please go away.

Chris, you apparently bring nothing other than credulity.

"obnocracy"

What an amazing neologism! Even better than one I invented (I think) the other day to refer to someone who didn't like computers: Paleolithicism. Try saying that backwards seven times. I got fed up saying 'technophobe'.

That last message of mine was meant for the Cambereley thread. Sorry.

Larry,

Islam is not failing in the UK, quite the contrary, it has achieved focus because of the dark, dangerous and frightening 'War on Terror' launched by an intolerant Christian right in America and espoused by George W Bush, McCain, Huckabee and many others.

The 'terrorist' attack on American soil, suddenly made it acceptable to target and persecute all Muslims, including the some 6 million Muslims who live in America.

Bush we remember used religious language not political script when he said to Abbas, ""God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

This statement to many Americans amounted to a dangerous divine mission to murder on a grand scale, unrepresentative of the people, rather a leadership that transcended the will of the people. It seems George Bush already knew the truth before the evidence was presented. He was guided by God.

Here we have exposed the very essence of the 'American problem' where a huge chasm exists beween people and state.

Bush described the "war on terror" as a war against totalitarian Islamofascism while the Israeli air force was dropping tens of thousands of pounds of iron fragmentation bombs up and down Lebanon, an air campaign that killed 1,300 Lebanese civilians.

Even today we note an abupt rebuke by AIPAC that warned that the stern US remarks to Israel were "of serious concern."

It is quite clear to me the faith of the American people has been captured and manipulated into a triumphant crusade that Blair, Bush and others are using to blind failure and distort American thinking such that self-reflection and self-critism are a form a treason.

It reduces the world to a cartoonish vision of us and them, good and evil. It has turned America into children with bombs.

But Mark, don't you believe that bin Laden was buzzing the WTC in a black helicopter just prior to September 11? Don't you believe that the WTC buildings collapsed in a controlled demolition? Don't those things make you quite a stupid person?

Mark Golding: "Bush we remember used religious language not political script when he said to Abbas ...."

He didn't say that, you moron. Once again proving that you idiots will believe anything as long as there is one source.

Your local village idiot could tell you that the Jews have poisoned the wells and you'd believe it.

Heh Craig Murray, what's it feel like being a de facto leader of a hate group?

Is this where you thought you would be 10 years ago?

Btw why don't you ever talk about the Jew-haters you teamed up with for the "Axis for Peace" conference?

It's OK, Mark, anyone who can google can learn that the source for the Bush quote was Haaretz, via Abbas. Hope you're well.

Jackson Lears in the New York Times reported Bush as saying, "''Events aren't moved by blind change and chance''..., but by ''the hand of a just and faithful God.'' From the outset he has been convinced that his presidency was part of a divine plan, even telling a friend while he was governor of Texas, ''I believe God wants me to run for president.'' This conviction that he is doing God's will has surfaced more openly since 9/11. In his State of the Union addresses and other public forums, he presented himself as the leader of a global war against evil. As for a war in Iraq, ''we do not claim to know all the ways of Providence, yet we can trust in them.'' God is at work in world affairs, he says, calling for the United States to lead a liberating crusade in the Middle East, and ''this call of history has come to the right country.''" (http://bushwatch.org/evangelist.htm -- a biased site, but the quotes are accurately attributed)

Was it God who thought it right to murder, maim, orphan and disable 327,576 babies, juniors and teens in Iraq?

"It's OK, Mark, anyone who can google can learn that the source for the Bush quote was Haaretz, via Abbas. Hope you're well."

Right, and anyone who can google can learn that the White House denied the President having said it, it comes from an Arabic transcript translated back into English, etc. etc.

I would also not Haaretz an unimpeachable source.

Yes, once or twice Bush used the extremely unfortunate "crusade" word - probably his most serious gaff.

A lot of people believe that events are guided by God. I don't, but I know other people who do who I otherwise respect. I respect them slightly less for it, but I can't deny that extremely virtuous people do believe such a silly thing.

(And I don't think that Bush was/is virtuous).

Is that the best you can do? Really? He told a friend that he believed in God and that fact informed his career?

Fancy you remembering what I said Suhayl. I was working in Harlesden in those days and got to know some decent had working West Indians who had come over here. Their experiences of the discrimination they had encountered on finding lodgings and jobs were terrible.

Something else I said is confirmed except I would say that the quoted number is low.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2067528_county_is_uks_pothole_capital_report_claims

btw has LfStL ever heard the expression - Take a running jump?

You say many memorable and poignant things, Mary.

I know the 4X4s churn-up the roads.

Nonetheless, in humourous mode, especially perhaps on this thread, of course one is reminded of:

"10,000 holes in Blackburn, Lancashire
And though the holes were rather small Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall..."

(er hem) point of order: 4000 holes.

Larry
One of the most disturbing changes I have witnessed in my lifetime is the emergence of a group of women who say that they 'in control' of their lives, because they can accept /reject 1/ partners, 2/ pregnancy, 3/ even truth itself, as they please.

George Bush seems to have bought into this seriously delusional arrogance, that having the power to destroy is equivalent to having the power of God. Abraham's reply in the Qur'an to one such dictator, was that His Lord was the one who rises the sun in the east and sets it in the west.

George Bush used the language of faith in God, but practised the delusional arrogance of denial of any accountability to Him. Bush and Blair are fully aware that if they were left on their own, unprotected, anywhere from the UK to Afghanistan, the public of these countries would tear them apart, limb from limb.

Well, suit-button from suit-button anyway, or in Bush's case shoe from shoe. Like surfing on a tide of human self-control.

"One of the most disturbing changes I have witnessed in my lifetime is the emergence of a group of women who say that they 'in control' of their lives, because they can accept /reject 1/ partners, 2/ pregnancy, 3/ even truth itself, as they please."

OK, so you don't believe in gender equality. How primitive.

Even truth itself? Have you had a problem with the ladies talking back to you?

"Abraham's reply in the Qur'an to one such dictator, was that His Lord was the one who rises the sun in the east and sets it in the west."

Nope, anno, didn't happen.

And if someone at this blog started spewing crazy Christian crap, I'm sure commenters at this blog would jump on that person. Especially if the Christian stated that women were not equal with men.

But you're Muslim, so these pathetic weaklings let you get away with it.

And by the way Anno, the rest of your religion is total shit. Completely made up by frauds and believed by incurious primitive baboons.

I'd say the same about Christians, but I never run into them preaching to me.

We're the Flintstones! Dooby dooby dooby do. Don't make me laugh too much Dooby do.

Hi Larry; regarding the portrayal of US and other forces in Hollywood, there have been many films which ignore the presence of Commonwealth and other allied forces in campaigns, or denigrate their contributions. Even documentaries such as the ubiquitous Nugus Martin productions make a point of saying that "a handful of US pilots" fought in the Battle of Britain while completely ignoring the Commonwealth contribution to the Pacific campaign, apart from a mention of Australian coast watchers. In North Africa they refer to the "British" 8th Army advancing from the east to meet the Americans from the west, as if Torch were solely a US Operation. Then their are travesties such as "U571" and "Objective Burma". Spielberg did use British actors in "Band of Brothers", which I take to be a deliberate reflection of the combined effort. The mentions of the British in the series were all derogatory however. It's not that we aren't grateful for the sacrifices made by so many young Americans. Unfortunately, people get identified with the policies of their governments, even though they may strongly oppose them. Living abroad I got tired of people referring to "your Margaret Thatcher", but I didn't take it personally.

Sorry, it was indeed 4,000 holes. Unfortunately, our Council leader was (allegedly) on coke, and so the number became un-rationalised.

Band of Brothers - Wow. That was a story of a particular company of men. That was the point. Knowing that, can you seriously criticize that series for not including the British contribution? And apart from the British tank operator in the Market Garden scene, I don't know why you think there were so many derogatory references to the Brits. And, gee, what if that scene actually happened?

I hadn't heard of Objective, Burma! before, but, reading the Wikipedia entry, it appears to be a 1945 film that's been forgotten.

I agree that U-571 was silly. For a number of reasons, but really because it should have mentioned all the wonderful work of the Poles.

Larry - I haven't disputed that the focus of "Band of Brothers" was on the 101st Airborne or saying that it should have had more references to other allied forces, only that what references it contained were derogatory. "Objective Burma" may have been forgotten now, deservedly so, but Hollywood continues to churn out films in the same vein, and I could cite many more examples. When people derive their view of the world from TV and films, this is a problem. Many in the US think the Desert Rats were the bunch featured in the TV series. As for U571, certainly great credit is due to "the Poles", if by that you mean, Marian Rejewski, Henryk Zygalski and Jerzy Różycki, but while understanding the structure of the various Enigma, (and later the Lorenz machines), was important, calculating the settings for each day was the major problem, and the British deserve most of the credit for that.

"and I could cite many more examples."

OK, then do so. It should be easy if they're churning them out.

I'll help you out.

Ben Affleck in Pearl Harbor. At the beginning of the story, his character was an American pilot (one of the few) fighting in the Battle of Britain. His British colleague said something silly about the Americans being so brave or something like that.

As to Band of Brothers, I've seen the series about 4 or 5 times. I can only remember that one reference to the particular British tank commander. And perhaps that actually did happen. So that's it.

That's the second time you've mentioned the derogatory scenes. What other scene are you speaking of?

I really think it's the case that there was that one scene with the naive British tank commander (who was actually concerned with civilian casualties, SO WHY THE FUCK WAS THAT SO DEROGATORY?), and that you've convinced yourself that the series was full of derogatory scenes as to Brits.

And, shit, in Band of Brothers, was there any talk about Montgomery going a bridge too far? If they were being so derogatory, wouldn't that have come up in conversation?

"As for U571, certainly great credit is due to "the Poles", if by that you mean, Marian Rejewski, Henryk Zygalski and Jerzy Różycki,"

Looks like someone's been using Wikipedia!

As to the Desert Rats - do you mean this? - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rat_Patrol

?

I've never heard of it.

So who are the "many in the U.S." whose beliefs you feel so confident in knowing?

We await to see whether the shroud of secrecy in trials by Military Commission revived by George W Bush after a fifty year hiatus will be rejected by the Obama administration. The Bush decision to hold such trials after 9/11 was condemned by the world and showed the free country of America was irresolute when it comes to their core values.

I suspect the current administration thinks a public trial will spotlight controversial interrogation strategies such as waterboarding that were used on the self-proclaimed terrorist mastermind and even precipitate the conviction of Bybee and Yoo.

Will America tread on civil liberties again to protect the deeds of criminal Bush or will another death blow be dealt to the Justice Department? Eyes of the world are now on America to witness the flip-flop when America retreats to the Bush military commissions and in doing so loses all credibility with those that care about justice and the rule of law.

Doing a deal on shutting down the detainee prison in Guantanamo Bay is just "leaving the job undone!"

Watch-out Dubya, lying low ain't no good when fingers start pointing. I know school-kids who want you tried for murder you bastard.

Mark Golding, are you once again passing off the writings of another as your own?

URGENT ACTION: Protest against Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat, 22nd March, 5pm, London

Nir Barkat, the mayor of Jerusalem behind the announcement of 1,600 new settlement units in East Jerusalem, will be visiting London early next week.
A total of 50,000 housing units have been planned in the coming years - doubling the settler population - and reducing the Palestinian population to a third.

He will be speaking at Chatham House (10 St James's Square, London SW1Y 4LE). Come along and protest against the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from East Jerusalem.

Thank you, Eli Yishai, for exposing the peace process masquerade

By Gideon Levy

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1155646.html

Yet again our resident troll manages to make more posts than any other single poster in a thread, besides being the only person to raise the subject of Jews, the Protocols etc. etc. .

AngryLarry actually has united everyone in contempt and irritation for him/them, which was probably not the original mission. Suggestion AL: Go back to Faux News and learn how the professional scaremongers/ doubt-sowers/ misinformation providers get people all worked up. Maybe you could put on some show emotional outburst like the wannabe Beck / O'Reily shadows that you are. But you've still got a problem, because the regulars here are not your usual audience of drooling true-believers, which is why you are so utterly unsuccessful.

America and the Military-Industrial Complex

Why have the American people allowed this complex to engage in another essentially unwinnable war in Afghanistan?

Can it be the likes of Larry, the American people are too frightened to speak out against the atrocities of pointless war, a war being waged for God alone knows what purpose except hegemony. Does this war make Britian or America safer - Nope!

Hey Larry, wasn't it enough that king George and king Dick conned Congress into war with lies of WMD and bankrupted the nation of America too boot? Jeez you have nearly taken down Britain with you in the deficit.

I hear now from Afghanistan that ill-trained, unsupervised and accountable to no one contractors are being used to cross into Pakistan and report back by encrypted satellite phone the positions of suspected insurgents (that turn out to be weddings or tribal gatherings after everyone has been murdered by myopic, heuristic multi-threading drones).

Oh yeh this is 'new war' tactics that saves soldiers lives, no embarrassing dead body returns and no finger pointing for crossing the border of a sovereign country. But murder by contract is wrong just like torture is wrong and your school-yard comments here Larry just proves how gutless you and others really are at condemning these violations.

Now Glenn, that's a silly false dichotomy. One can believe everything I've written and not be a Fox News viewer. It's quite easy, as I'm not a Fox News viewer. I think you tried the same thing in another thread - if I don't believe in your stupid 911 conspiracy theory, then I have to watch Fox News. Tell that to the Stop the War Coalition, who want nothing to do with your 911 silliness.

You're just not that intelligent, are you?

Mark Golding, well at least that's your own writing!

btw, as a regular and welcomed commenter at this blog, what do you think of gay people?

@anno

I note the use in Islam of pbuh, and wondered if there was a pejorative equivalent, perhaps something along the lines of the Glasgwegian 'mair brains in a gasmask'. It could be useful, as in: 'Larry (mbgm)'

Off topic - or no - maybe not.
Have a look at this. "Obama veto for anthrax investigation".

http://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2010/03/obama-veto-for-anthrax-investigation.html

It is argued that the best British commander during WW2 was William Slim, not Montgomery. Slim didn't hog the limelight and succeeded with fewer resources in more difficult terrain. Slim rose through the ranks, from private during WW1 to (eventually) Field Marshall after WW2.

Vronsky
Yes there is, but if you make the curse incorrectly, the effect comes back on yourself. So it's best to stay away from that one. Anyway Larry is kinda cute and I don't have a gas mask to talk with. So for the moment, he'll do.

Check out Brian Cox - not the Scottish Actor - who has got Craig Murray's old job in Dundee, but the Brian Cox who I will vote for as my favourite physicist from from Oldham.

His new series the "Wonders of the Solar System" has just started on BBC2. The first one "Empire of the Sun" was quite Brilliant, and is available on BBC iplayer

The second in the series is repeated tonight on BBC2 at 19:00 and on BBC HD at 00:10

I've recorded but not yet seen Dispatches: Children of Gaza on Channel 4 last night.

That is available on the internet 4Od and is repeated on Sunday on Channel 4 at 4:15 am

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/episode-guide/series-56/episode-1

Tony

Incidentally, Brian Cox, as did my Brother-in-Law, went to Hulme Grammar which was within 10 minutes walking distance of where I lived in Oldham.

I was not allowed to even take the entrance exam, because I was the wrong religion.

I had been programmed since birth to go, first to Upholland Priest's Training College which I declined on arrival at the age of 10, and then St Bedes College in Manchester, which I declined as I saw the effect being trained by Catholic Priests had on my older brothers.

Brian Cox seems to have turned out O.K. though.

Five Minutes With: Professor Brian Cox

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiPsU13M6ek

Tony

Larry 04.30 AM

Thanks for the warning. I'll try to remember to keep my back covered as well, with you, from now on.

On topic, I'd like to know how it is that the whole universe did not cave in for the French people, after they rebuked the UKUS all-lie-ance about the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. If Craig is correct, there is covert collaboration between the CIA and France. There are many stories about the hardness of the Foreign Legion. Also, my mother's family fled the horrendous persecutions of the Huguenots by the French through many generations.

No-one should underestimate the potency of the process of fermentation. It was used for many purposes in a more vegetable age, including 'retting' linen fibres for papermaking. Not to be confused with the processes of tanning and abbattoirs whose stench is from 'rotting'.
I am with Larry on this one. Maybe these intoxicating effects in France came from natural toxins. No conspiracy.
My father's home-made grapefruit juice hooch was 90% pure poison.

Next time a UK Prime Minister climbs into bed with a US obnocrat - I'm not accusing Obama - why don't we make an excuse and go and do another thing, instead of arguing as these pathetic diplomats and politicians keep doing, that the entire Western civilisation will go into melt down if we don't do what the US President is saying?

I am 100% certain that 100% of British diplomacy and politics is lying. Reverse all of the published statements of the UK establishment and you will be be in reasonable proximity of the truth. Some people say, if two fish are fighting under the sea, the cause of the dispute is British lying.

Talking of which, how do you crash into an obstacle in a nuclear submarine in the Red Sea? Doesn't your radar start going bananas, unless it actually bumped into another French one! Again! They both had the same idea at the same time. Let's go and have a skive under that shelf just off Saudi Arabia. Bollocos. They just thought it would be a good idea to let the Arabs know about their presence. In the nicest possible way. Sorry, we'll pay for the damage, like we did in Iraq and Palestine and Afghanistan.

"mbgm"

(c-pbuh)

Custard-pies be upon him.

Since we already know Larry's position on "The Jews" (i.e. 'mention as often as possible') I'd like to know his position on torture, and "extraordinary rendition". I'd like to know his position on waterboarding, hooding, sensory deprivation, and detention without charge. I'd also like to know why alleged terrorists accused of crimes can not be tried in ordinary American criminal courts.

If Larry is as proud of his country as he pretends, he will surely have all the answers to these questions down pat.

pork be upon him

And don't be drinking green beer tomorrow, Lar, you're not worthy.

Yes, everything is always a "conspiracy theory" at the time - and when the fact that it actually was a conspiracy is revealed 50 years later the media smugly assume that "it wouldn't happen now of course", without even questioning why files on David Kelly's death have been banned from being released for 70 years.

Exactly!

"he will surely have all the answers to these questions down pat"

Larry doesn't answer questions.

dreoilin, why change the subject? Anno right here on this page let you know that he finds you inferior. He wants a system in place in which you're inferior to men. Are you going to let Muslims roll over you for the rest of your life?

What a bizarre piece of imagery! Scimitars and steam-rollers.

"Are you going to let Muslims roll over you for the rest of your life?"

Yea dreoilin, you are clearly oppressed by Muslims. Suggest you wise up and wake up before it's too late.

Brum-brum!! Choo-choo!! Watch out, people, there's a roller a'comin'! A Bay City Roller! More deadly even than a planeful of snakes! Cover your ears, people!

"A Bay City Roller"

AAAAARRGGHH.

Sprinkle a little literary LSD into a thread and it is like real to some.
LfSt.L you can come down now, it is only imaginary.

So what about it mon patriot, how about answering dreolins questions on extraordinary rendition, it would make a change from your usual drivel.
Come to think of it, what'ya think of Carl Rove's self promotion, hawking his book with a few outragously stupid statements, would you say he'll need a little session of what he is so proud of,himself?

I suppose he be OK with getting comfortable for a couple of days, listening to others being tortured, so, he'll then knows whats coming to him, I'm dead sure that he got loads to tell us, stuff he has not written in his big fat book he's hawking.

Come on larry, whats in a few questions about human rights and wrongs? It should come easy to you, a man with such great experience. As you are apparently emancipated, so you tell us, it would be easy for you to please dreolin, a late salute to womens week, sort of.

How about it Larry?

I've tried to explain the following to people, but you silly gooses can't seem to listen. Not only are you ignorant, but you continually decide to be ignorant.

Just because I don't believe in your silly conspiracy theories does not believe that I condone anything the Bush administration ever did.

I know you folks lack the mental capacity to understand that, but it's still worth stating.

I just find it hilarious that you people fully accept Anno's misogyny.

Actually, I imagine that Anno's hatred of women stems from women not treating him well when he was younger. He can't control them otherwise, so he's chosen his silly religion as a tool for accomplishing a feeling of superiority to women. Unfortunately, that still doesn't mean he gets laid, but I guess that's what the afterlife virgins are for.

Tell me, please, Larry, exactly which aspects of Bush Admin. (and Obama Admin., if applicable) foreign policy do you disagree?

I speak, of course, as someone to whom Virgin is simply an airline a company which, though our smiley-smile lad, Richard B would like it to, does not yet offer package tours to Paradise.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2010-03/12/c_13208219.htm

Waiting for the same for the UK. Yanks? Dirty bastards.

Larry you dumb-ass shill!

Were we to start talking about Judaism in the same insulting terms you do about Islam you would be crying "anti-semitism" all the way to the "hate-crime" tribunal.

Typically for someone so irretrievably mired in falsehood and ignorance you are way off-topic yet again.

CIA mind control and social engineering were at their height during the 1960s counter-culture."Turn on,tune in and drop out" lifestyles were pedalled by mind control agents like Ken Kesey,Timothy Leary and Wavy Gravy.All of whom were CIA assets.

The same young generation that had been infected with the Frankfurt social engineering psycho-babble that obliged them to rebel against their bourgeois families lest they be diagnosed as anti-semitic "authoritarian" personalities were now channelled away from politics into drugs,mysticism and ultimately,as with the Manson cult,into satanism.

These are all elite indulgences of some longevity which of course goes a long way to explaining their initial provenance.

Woodstock marked the ultimate mind-control experiment giving the elite the chance to test their wonder drug on a crowd of half a million.

Other elite-sponsored mind control cults at that time included the Symbionese Liberation Army,Jim Jones,Scientology,the Moonies,Son of Sam and Heaven's Gate.

It's an ongoing war designed to use controlled chaos as a means to keep society off balance and zoned out.Apathy and self-interest are promoted to defuse any challenge to the elite order.

As the imminent Depression clouds gather around the Obama presidency and Americans become increasingly angry with the economic storm the bail-outs have only exacerbated-the psy-ops that began in the sixties may blow up in the faces of those who initiated them in the first place.

Doubtless even when the game's up and the synarchy can no longer afford to pay their shills-mind control will still hold the likes of dingbat Larry in its vice-like grip for some time to come.

Please God some latter-day CIA-controlled Jim Jones kindly fix it for Larry and the shills to migrate to some new cult heaven in the S.American jungle!

"Were we to start talking about Judaism in the same insulting terms you do about Islam you would be crying "anti-semitism" all the way to the "hate-crime" tribunal."

Bullshit.

If a Jew ever tried to push onto me his silly Abrahamic faith, I would justifiably ridicule it. As he is want to do, Anno above wrote "You have to have the latest antivirus software, which is Islam, to find a cure." He also had some primitive words about the status of women in society.

You people are so easily defeated.

The remainder of your paragraphs is just a word salad.

Ah! A sterling - and stirring - rapier-strike from apostate/ tungsten/steelback!

As almost always, the political analysis is spot-on.

Apostate, I know that you won't answer this question, because it's why you're using various pseudonyms a la Fernando Pessoa (though his pseudonyms used to assume different points-of-view and argue with one another in the Portuguese press! But perhaps you do the same, and are possessed of multiple pseudonyms, some of which are hermeneutic) in the first place, but I'm posing it anyway in somewhat rhetorical fashion: Who are you?

Larry, with respect, you've not yet answered my honestly-posed question. I am not asking it in a cynical or rhetorical manner. Please see 9:38pm entry. Thank you.

A question on Farishtae, for the night. Which is the most senior rank of the angelic host? The archangels, or the seraphiel?

Larry, with respect, you've not yet answered my honestly-posed question.
--Suhayl Saadi

He hasn't anwered any of mine either. And I wasn't being rhetorical either.

"dreoilin, why change the subject?"
--Larry

Why do you run from questions? Do you have a position on torture or the other matters I mentioned, or do you let others do all of your thinking for you?

"Are you going to let Muslims roll over you for the rest of your life?"

At my age I'd probably be chuffed. Assuming they were male of course.

"Just because I don't believe in your silly conspiracy theories does not believe [sic] that I condone anything the Bush administration ever did."
--Larry

Anything? Ever? Wow.

Larry does not answer questions because he doesn't know why he believes what he believes. That's why his only response to free debate is to lob crude custard pies.

I agree with what most of what Apostate says about cults. How interesting that these well-funded, well-organised cults seem to appear from nowhere, only to be shot down in a blaze of scandal and horror. Is it to dissuade us from contemplating alternative forms of living and thinking, and reinforce our myopic adherence to the cult of corporate hegemony?

Actually, dreoilin, the "Just because I don't believe in your silly conspiracy theories does not believe [sic] that I condone anything the Bush administration ever did" assertion from AngryLarry is not as ludicrous as it might sound (his poor grasp of English notwithstanding).

What did the Bush administration actually do for the 99.7%, the ordinary working American, let alone anyone foreign? There is no reward for this, because there is actually an answer, hard as that might be to believe. But there really is one small portion of an Act passed by the rethugs/ Bush which did benefit the working man - dig quite a bit, and you might find it.

So - for perhaps the only time - I'll vouch for our resident cutie trolly here. Like every right thinking person who hasn't seriously pondered the subject, he can't think of a single thing Dubbya/ Repugs have ever done which is worth condoning.

Bullying is finding your opponents' buttons and pushing them. You accuse someone of doing precisely that thing that they most dislike, presumably because at some time they have been on the receiving end. Hence in the BBC play of Murder in Samarkand, the Foreign Office tried to bully Craig through his assistant's anti-Usbek violence. Turning the screws back on him. Hence the Israel constantly accuses the self-defending victims of its violent apartheid, of terrorism. Hence Larry goes on and on about 9/11.

You accuse the victim of the crime. Larry is not interested in answering questions. It's his job to find out what people's weak spots are, so that he can accuse the victims of perpetrating the crimes which have actually been perpetrated on them. Bullies are scared that the process will be reversed and applied to them. If they answer questions, they think that other people as nasty as them will find out their weak points and bully them back.

Apostate asked God to fix it for Larry and the shills.. and the prayer has been answered. Tony Blair's bully-blocked- ears cult is coming to the US soon. Larry can relax and be carried in the crowd with a tide of emotion. We did it!!!! We killed two million Muslims in ten years and we've still not been struck down!! When you've got an organ in front of you, you may as well push all the pedals and pull all the buttons at the same time.

and of course, the grin...

I wouldn't call it a grin so much as a rictus. As Tony Booth put it so well, Blair has all the charisma and charm of a set of false teeth, grinning at you from inside a glass of water.

It's the grey suits of the FCO that brief the Blair's what to do, not the other way round. First they are despatched as Craig was to various hotspots round the world. They spy and manage espionage so that when they become seasoned diplomats they can advise Prime Ministers what the UK needs from the world. Their job is to monitor the progress of the machinations of their predecessors and make a plan for the next hundred years.

The grey suits who set up the current illegal invasions, did so thirty-five years ago, and are now in their smouldering coffins. The senior grey suits who get to tell Blair and Brown what to do, are allowed to revise the plan according to their own experience. Blair and Brown are just actors who learn the score and read from the autocue.

What this means is that the strategy of obtaining intelligence from torture was written, before Tony Blair was even born. The inability to enforce the Geneva Convention was built into it by its authors. The plan for world war two was already at the printers while the troops were dying at The Somme. That's why you need a seventy year privacy rule, so that nobody spots the connections.

Chilcot is just a Royal matinee for these people. It's not a window into the working of government at all. I think that we should be very grateful that the grey suits sometimes miscalculate that one of their recruits won't play ball. Unless we're all being taken for a ride by the grey suits, including Craig. They let us all write our comments and after, they know what to do.

For perfect printing and to avoid streaks and lines, run your printer's head-cleaning program on a regular basis. Better out than in.

The minimum wage is now so low , compared to the cost of living, people are going to have to pinching handkerchiefs like Victorian times. My daughter was telling me yesterday that London rich mums put ipods in childrens' party bags where you and I might have put a packet of polos. I love Mrs T. I can't wait to see what her latest apprentice has in stall for us on 6 May.

Jesse Ventura Former Minnesota Governor agrees with Larry

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/35728268/ns/today-today_books/#ixzz0iRLUF6N0

Maybe they are both on acid and suffering hallucinations

Some people will believe anything

Tony

"Netanyahu's brother-in-law: Obama is an anti-Semite"

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1157061.html

It's beginning to be laughable ...

When I was a teenager, it was a serious charge.
Now it's a joke.
And the USA will do zero about the new Israeli settler homes.

Here's a map Juan Cole posted during the week:

http://tinyurl.com/y8a6wpp

"Here's a map Juan Cole posted during the week"

It seems to be catching peoples' eye, I've seen it copied all over. And very effective it is, too. But it puzzles me a bit - the captions, "Jewish land" and "Palestinian land", how were they actually worked out ? The middle two seem clear enough, clear political borders (in a theoretical could-have-been sort of way, anyway), but what about the "1945" and "2000" ones ? Actual land-ownership records ? population head-counts ?

"And the USA will do zero about the new Israeli settler homes."

You're very likely right, of course. But, it seems to be going further than I'd have expected, within the US establishment. Not for reasons I'm too keen on, particularly - Clinton's much-quoted "Who's the fucking superpower here ?" isn't exactly endearing to the outside world, same old same old - but the military point, 'this is actively dangerous to US troops as they occupy other peoples' countries' seems a bit more than that. Not that I'm in favour of the occupation(s), but the observation that "People don't like it, and we can't avoid taking note of that for ever" does seem to contain a possibility of something different. Maybe even a reality-check ?

I'm more or less taking it for granted that any conclusions drawn from any such check are not likely to be what I'd reckon the 'right' ones, of course. But it still seems like a faint glimmer of something a little healthier than the ideological fantasy. If "Why do they hate us ?" could become, perhaps, a little bit more than denialist rhetoric ?

Expecting a flood of "In yer dreams, pal".

"Jesse Ventura Former Minnesota Governor agrees with Larry"

No, no. He's a conspiracy nut. Get it right.

Good yawning, Larry.

"Are you going to let Muslims roll over you for the rest of your life?" "At my age I'd probably be chuffed"

*laughter*

"Is it Really as bad as this in the USA?"

No.

I didn't realize that was written by Paul Craig Roberts.

Hilarious.

I suppose it should be no surprise that nutjobs rely on other nutjobs for information.

Larry, hello, good evening from the United Kingdom. At the risk of seeming to badger you, you know, you've not answered my simple question yet. I would be interested in learning details of the divergences between your views and the actions of the Bush (and also Obama) Administrations in relation to foreign policy. You alluded to the existence of such divergence. Thank you.

Anno, they learn much from all of us. We are their anthropological subjects. This is how their empires were, and are, constructed. We are the bears, seeking pots of honey. They are the worker-bees. The hive is theirs.

Suhayl Saadi wrote:
"Wouter Basson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wouter_Basson

The shits in Apartheid South Africa were deliberately experimenting with microbes in an attempt to manufacture a biological warfare agent that would attack, specifically, black Africans. The CIA and MI6 were hand-in-glove with them. "

yes, the british government aren't too keen to answer questions regarding 'Project Coast'.
See http://preview.tinyurl.com/ylbo3ye

Andrew MacKinlay stated (on 1st July 2006) that the MOD & the intelligence community met on 13 January 2006 for a _"handling strategy" meeting_ about parliamentary questions that MacKinlay had submitted in relation to Project Coast.....

Then again it probably is another conspiracist theory...

Thanks, BumbleB! Cosmic, your comment, especially after my (unconnected) metaphor of the bees and the honey-pots!

And currently there is a bloke from Oldham Professor Brian Cox on Music Radio
- Absolute Radio 105.8 FM

I mentioned him yesterday on here but had no idea he would be on the radio

Tony

The divergences between my views and the actions of the Bush (and also Obama) are I believe America should go through a USSR style reformation. States that desire independents should be given it.
The states in the south with a Hispanic majority, should be allowed to form their own country, or join Mexico, with Spanish as their official language. These people do not share an Anglo heritage so should not be forced to speak English, including the bastardized version of English with incorrect spelling known as American English.

Hawaii should be allowed independents, and even allowed to join Japan. This is because the biggest ethnic group there are the Japanese. These people should be allowed to speak their native language as the official language of their nation.
I am not going to go in to the rights and wrongs of the pearl harbor attack, but relinquishing Hawaii to Japan will go in some way to reparate Japan for dropping nuclear warheads on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

Alaska should be given one of three options, independence, unification with Canada or reunification with Russia. Each and everyone of these options will relieve America of Sarah Pailin and her slutty daughters.

If any other state or ethnic group desires independents, they should be given it because America is big enough for us all.

This may not seem like foreign policy to you divergence to you, but it is. Most of the right wing nut cases live in these areas. If these areas are removed from America, America will remove its Armies from foreign countries.
So their will be no longer be any Foreign policy issues to resolve!

More than two sentences in one post Larry, thats phenomenal.

So what would ahppen to NAFTA Larry? and why do you think that this would actually be possible, cause those money men would not like their club taken apart.

Another small but vital point.
Promise you will not attack canada when your mid west aquifers run dry, when the opulent lifestyle hits the buffers and you are out of water?
What about dreolins questions Larry?

Fuck Me

Is someone impersonating Larry from St. Louis?

He actually wrote something coherent, some of which has given me something to think about, and maybe even agree with.

But Brian Cox was hilarious

Who says physicists can't be funny - and on a music radio station too?

Tony

"More than two sentences in one post Larry, thats phenomenal."

Nah. Just shift changeover. The style changes a bit from one to the next, although I admit it's not always so obvious.

I promise the U.S. won't attack Canada for their water. We've got plenty of water. We can also just buy the water, just like we could have also simply bought the oil in Iraq.

As to the person who impersonated me - I can guarantee you that very few Americans want their "independents." Wrong century.

Pardon me for being pedantic Larry but do you mean "independence"?

Incidentally Larry, while you're in the mood for fessin', there's a rather important outstanding question for you over on the thread that dares not speak its name.

MJ - Jesus Fucking Christ you are dense.

Larry,

You say "I promise the U.S. won't attack Canada for their water."

Personally, I only represent my own Personal views not the U.K.

But I promise, that the UK's Royal Navy (even if it has broken all the launch codes) will not Nuke The US because YOU live there.

However, I can't speak for anyone else.

Tony

Richard,

Juan Cole was attacked for posting that map. He followed it up with a later post explaining/amplifying :

http://www.juancole.com/2010/03/map-story-of-palestinian-nationhood.html

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"Maybe even a reality-check ?"

I follow several Arab-American writers on Twitter.
One of them posted this today:

"Poll shows US public attitudes to Israel are cooling very rapidly"

http://bit.ly/djlqNM

"In the poll taken March 15-16, 58 percent of Americans said they consider Israel an ally of the United States, while 32 percent consider it somewhere between an ally and enemy.

"In a poll taken by Rasmussen in August, 70 percent said they considered Israel an ally, while just 16 percent considered it somewhere between an ally and enemy."

------------------

Happy St Patrick's Day to you all, whatever your persuasion :)

I see Larry arrived. He can't say whether he condones torture or not, or under what circumstances?

Cosmic solution! I agree that the one place in greatest need of a revolution - or reformation - is indeed the USA.

Larry, your views seem to coincide spookily with those of Igor Panarin, who forecast the "splintering" of the US some time ago. The Wall Street Journal even reported it, here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html

The key quote is as follows: "California will form the nucleus of what he calls "The Californian Republic," and will be part of China or under Chinese influence. Texas will be the heart of "The Texas Republic," a cluster of states that will go to Mexico or fall under Mexican influence. Washington, D.C., and New York will be part of an "Atlantic America" that may join the European Union. Canada will grab a group of Northern states Prof. Panarin calls "The Central North American Republic." Hawaii, he suggests, will be a protectorate of Japan or China, and Alaska will be subsumed into Russia."

Are you a fan of Mr Panarin's work, Larry? Do you genuinely believe that a series of secessions from the US is going to be a good thing for your country? (Incidentally, only one of the Larries can spell - what's the collective noun for "Larrys from St Louis", I wonder?)

dreoilin,

We had planned to go out tonight to celebrate St. Patricks Night, and had a brilliant time last year, even though we had to queue up for half an hour to get in. We also celebrated Arthur Guinness's 250th Birthday last September...

But this Irish bloke phoned us up, and he said "It's Off" - We ain't doing it this year...

Now I didn't believe it for a second, so I asked him further about it

He said the band have been drinking continuously since midday....

I said Yes - it should be good then...

Tony

Tony, you're incorrigible! LOL

Of course that wasn't me who wrote that above about the splintering of the U.S.

But, coincidentally, I recently saw that idiot on Russia Today, and decided that that was one of the stupidest things I've seen on Russia Today (in a strong field).

There are so many arguments against such silliness, but one (perhaps not even the best) argument is that Americans don't really identify with any particular region.

That Russian professor sure seems like a loon.

I see Adam mentioned the Wall St Journal. Am I losing it, or has Sky News suddenly included it in their "look at tomorrow's papers" at 11.30pm? They did last night.

I see Larry arrived. He can't say whether he condones torture or not, or under what circumstances?

Posted by: dreoilin

Are you saying Larry that the rather interesting post under your name at 6:13 PM really wasn't you? How disappointing. For once I thought you had something to say. Never mind. Anyway, there's still a rather important question for over on the 9*1 thread if you're feeling adventurous.

dreoilin - thanks for the IC link, but I have him on my daily bookmarks list - it was noticing that he didn't explain it in today's piece that provoked me to mention it. I should have asked on his comments, really, but I don't think I have the energy - start talking with people, and it seems to get addictive, I just don't have room for more - but I see it is getting a bit of picking apart now, with references. Which are always good, but take even more time ... the world wide web is sticky.

Happy St. Pat to you, too.

The late Jim Keith was on this one back in'97 in Mind Control,World Control.

Keith argued for the likely involvement of the CIA in the Pont-St-Esprit mass acid dosing case as forerunner to later public testing by stealth in the US itself.

Got to this version of the Pont-Saint-Esprit story rather late (I don't check into Craig's site since Angry & Larry's actions)

There's a great article over at voltaire about this incident, along with a massive 26 page pdf covering of decalssified documents from Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush Snr, Colby et all...

In short, it WAS a CIA test. It WAS linked to Frank Olsen.

Enjoy.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article164447.html

Ynet publishes "humanitarian" proposal to pay Palestinians to leave forever

http://bit.ly/baxnvw

"I don't check into Craig's site since Angry & Larry's actions"--Edo

I came close to the same. But I decided that to do that would be playing right into their hands.

"what's the collective noun for "Larrys from St Louis", I wonder?"--Adam

a diabtribe?

Edo: "In short, it WAS a CIA test."

OK, where's the evidence?

Do you really think that file is so massive? Where's the link to the French town?

Fuck off Larry, you fucking prick.

Aaahhhhhh, poor Edo is getting upset because someone is pointing out how crazy he is.

not upset, just a statement of fact. You are a fucking prick.

Edo - merely for informing you that that's not such a massive file, and that it doesn't provide a link to that French town?

I later discovered that in very unusual circumstances, the effects that result from smoking dried Irish Pond Weed is Due To The French

All Is Explained Here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub1PqCLuHUM

Tony

Larry,

It is time you and other Americans like you start seeing the bigger picture and there is a real need for you to start stepping away from your ego driven nationalism and total ignorance as witnessed on this blog where many questions asked of you just fail to enter your consciousness.

I have been inspired by the good work of American David Swanson who wants to change America, willing to even to take a peaceful fight to the streets and march on the Capital. The American way of life post 9/11 has been destroyed and this is my 'heads up' to you. Don't be a mouse learning to be rat, become part of a new future for America.

Get a grip Larry instead of obeying your masters to continally cause confusion using a fog of mindless accusations.

PNAC is not dead - it is on the back burner while scenarios are worked out and tested. Lies are difficult to float because of the Internet and bloggers, therefore careful planning is essential. The Neo-cons have not finished their work and many scenarios exist to provide an excuse to attack Iran and light-up an enormous fire against Islam that they hope will trigger WW4.

The psychological effect of 9/11 is wearing off in America and despite threat levels at 'severe' and the efforts of your masters Larry, the American people are becoming unconcerned about another 'terror' attack, so about time to murder more Americans and keep criminals like Michael DeLong happy.

Another conspiracy Larry? Well forever in my mind is the true story by buddy human rights lawyer Phillippe Sands when she exposed the plot discussed by Bush and Blair to provoke an attack on Iraq by 'painting planes in United Nations colours' an American spyplane was proposed to lure Saddam into war.

Change your tactics or tell your boss that you are not smart enough to damage the 911 truth movement and quit your job.

But Mark, the 911 truth movement is in complete tatters.

The Stop the War Coalition wants nothing to do with you crazy people.

People like you have done more damage to the troofer movement than I could ever do. You believe that it's quite possible that bin Laden was buzzing around the WTC in a black helicopter prior to 911.

Thank you, Mark, for being such a nutjob. Please keep it up. I'm sure you will, as you don't know how to be normal.

You repeat yourself ad nauseam, Larry. And you are running out of mantras.

Do you condone torture?

Or are you going to hightail it again for an hour or so until you think I'm gone?

Larry, the only time you've said anything remotely interesting it turned out not to be you. Empty vessels make the most noise, as the saying goes.

Loosen up your larynx. chchpwutt!
Three syllable words, coherent argument, no insults, empathy, humour and logic. All in one post. Gold star for Larry. Too much praise might upset the others, or the real Larry.

Mark,

I unconsciously have seriously limited my exposure to TV over the past 12 years or so, and I still haven't seen Dispatches Children of Iraq that was on Channel 4 on Monday, though I have recorded it and read many many emotional responses to it.

And I Have Never to My Knowledge Seen Brian Cox on TV, though I have seen him on the Internet.

Until a bloke of the same name Brian Cox got elected to Craig Murray's old job, I had never heard of him, though I too come from Oldham and studied Physics at University Too

I guess, I again subconsciously came to the conclusion, that I was only going to find out what The World is really like by finding it out for myself, rather than being spoon fed someone else's view through a TV Screen.

Did you Contribute To The Program?

I realise this is a personal question, and it is O.K. Not to Answer.

I just wish the rest of the World should recognise such an important principle.

Tony

The real reason why we did not go out tonight had nothing whatsoever to so with the fact that my lad said before going to work, that a bloke from somewhere North of Birmingham may drop off the last bit of metal because he was passing.

You see, I want my bloody car back

And this was the last bit of metal my lad needs to put his smashed up sports car back together. The Police did accept full responsibility, but he decided to do it himself, as he has done it before.

I haven't even looked to see if it turned up, cos I told my Lad we were going out - so he texted the bloke back and said - dump it in front of the wreck (my slightly damaged sports car (again))

Tony

Tony,
What an ugly frog! Your video is going to give me nightmares.

Larry,
You can come back now and ask six or seven questions. I'm off to bed.

MJ,

Larry is a coward, for all his big talk.
G'night

Poor poor Larry-or however many clone/droids on shift work he/she is -from maybe an undeground cyber-propaganda bunker in St Louis or Tel-Aviv..

It must be so fru$trating for him/them -on the $hift- to never have an idea of their own but ju$t having to follow the idiot provacateur line some $upervisor order$ them to take from the big $creen erected at the and of the military bunker hallway...

You never $tood a chance to be your$elf Larry.
How much are the wage$ of your $allow $in?

It aint enough Larry...certainly not to be $o puerile,pathetic and provactively dumb.

I actually think my Local MP, is a Really Decent Hard Working MP, and does his Best To Represent the People Who Elected Him

He has Absolutely No History of Any of The Dishonesty Regarding MP's Expenses

His Record in Hansard, for Asking Important Questions - Some Really Embarrasing Questions of The Government in Parliament especially about the Iraq War - is One of The Best There.

In fact he has the Energy, Youth, Integrity, Intelligence, Courage and Honesty to Potentially Be a Future Prime Minister...

And although I have voted for him in the past, and may vote for him in the future, I will not vote for him again unless he pays back the expenses he has received, back to the Israeli Government from his own pocket.

He can remain a Friend of Israel. I have no problem with that, but he must repay all the Costs that The Israeli Government Paid for his Fact Finding Mission to Israel and The Israeli Occupied Palestinian Territories

And I await his call at My Door

I sponsored his mate - who lives across the Road when he decided to stand as a local councillor so I think I understand a little about Democracy.

Tony

Jives, how'd you know I'm in Israel?

Why the hell is anybody bothering to address comments to the troll AngryLarry, when he/they exist only to disrupt? Are these supposed correspondents of said troll seriously expecting to make a point that will be accepted, or enter into any dialogue ? Jesus, what's the matter with you all?

The only point in a troll is to disrupt, and all of you starting posts with "Larry, what about... blah blah" are playing the required roll in a fool's game, with all due respect.

It's not the troll that ultimately destroys a forum - such as this - it's the people stupid enough to make that troll the subject of that forum (this reply excepted, of course). For goodness sake, this is the Craig Murray blog, not the freaking Larry blog. Will you people get a grip and remember that, while it's still worth visiting here.

Glenn, you silly, sad goose. You behave just like the other idiots at this blog.

If you want to hear as close to what it actually sounds like in a Live Performance, as If you are at the Perfect Position in The Audience, get yourself a Pair of Irish Sennheisers HD25-1 With The Split Headband...

I have had mine for about 8 years and I still am not deaf

They are Never as Good as Actually Being There, But Come a Close Second

http://www.sennheiser.co.uk/uk/home_en.nsf/root/professional_headphones-headsets_headphones_502188

Tony

I will be seriously impressed if Peter Gabriel Sounds as Good at The Millennium Dome, but my O2 dongle cost £10 and works Brilliantly

I Think It's Going To Rain Today

Now I have seen many of the Top Musicans In The World at Big and small arenas, stateley homes, stadiums and little pubs

But the best live experience of musicians we have ever had has been many thousands of miles away from here, when we least expected it

I have however Never Experienced The Ultimate Joy, Though My Friend Dhiroo has...

He told me about it...

He was in India and it hadn't rained for 2 Years and all the people were hanging on by a thread....

And the Heavens Opened and It Rained

Tony

Wow! Quite amazing that the moment somebody spouts off a bunch of drivel – much of which is actually quite racist and signs it “Larry from St. Louis” then all the conspiraloons here start praising it. Of course the real culprit(s) is the Apostate/Steelback commenter(s). And of course, his/her/their standard anti-semitic pseudohistory is given a free pass.

And I see Edo is back from mourning the death of neo-Nazi Jew-hater, Eustace Mullins. Still in widows weeds?

On top of that there is some jeering at fundamentalist Christianity while at the same time fundamentalist Islam is also given a free-pass (the commenters here feel it to be too much to hold Muslims to the same standard as Christians) so medievalist notions of a woman’s place is accepted as a kind of groovy multiculturalist tolerance.

Anno, Arsalan, I don’t think either of you answered what you think of gay people. Care to enlighten us?

A lot of the time, commenters here seem to bitch to each other about how much they feel disenfranchised and how undemocratic Britain is and how unfair the world is and oh-woe-is-me self-pity but given that they are so wont to believe in the craziest stuff at the drop of a hat all they’re really complaining about is that so few people agree with them.

Back on-topic, the CIA clearly did some pretty atrocious things back at the height of the Cold War and, clearly need to get their act together on some recent behaviour. I am opposed to all forms of torture as a form of policy. However, this story about the CIA poisoning French bread with LSD is looking more and more unlikely when followed up. To be fair some other commenters have pointed out some of the holes in the story.

A Priest, a Rabbi and a Leprechaun walk into a bar. The Leprechaun stops and says, ""Faith and Begorrah! I'm in the wrong joke!"

The Americans Will See This as Investment Advice, and Yes I Do Know Salford - and It Is "Buy The FALL". My mate bought it in a Charity Shop For 20p, and I copied it...

Its Fucking BRILLIANT.

And so he went out for a smoke, whilst the band were playing…

And the Teenage Kids said to him ”I Know You” ”What is Your Name?”

And so he told them his real name and insisted he was no one famous…

So they went back in, and about half an hour later one of the Kids Said To Me

”Was it Rod Stewart Who Was The Singer In The Rolling Stones?”

I Said ”Nah Mate – His Name Was Mick Jagger…”

So he said ”Who is That Then?”

I Said ”He’s My Mate”

”He’s Not Famous at All, and Is Far Better Looking Than Who You Think He Is”

His Real Name is Wally, but I didn’t tell them that.

And No It Wasn’t Mark E. Smith, but I suggest you get the Best of The FALL

Tony

"However, this story about the CIA poisoning French bread with LSD is looking more and more unlikely when followed up."

It wasn't in the bread old chap. So I suppose you're right about that. On just about everything else though, you're just about as predictable as usual.

Yawn. Boring.

And whilst you brought up Eustace Mullins, there has been some great writing about Sabatteans recently.

Just follow your nose to Aangirfan, Twelth Bough, and Church of Nobody. No links required.

Well, 'Larry', this means that 'you' have not yet answered my question, after all!

The 'Partition the US' response itself was not really a response to the immediate rubric of US foreign policy in any case, more a long-term 'Fall of Rome' scenario. Many progressive Americans joke about 'cutting-out the middle', in fact.

It is interesting to observe that whereas 'tungsten/ apostate/ steelback' makes no attempt to shift voice across the three names, 'Larry' seems to evince two or more almost method-acted voices within a single identity. To be honest, I thought you were 'taking the piss' with your 'US dystopian' post. One version of 'Larry' evinces a more mature tone, the other almost barks responses and seems to aim at provocation. Most the other commentators on these threads have fairly consistent views, even the ones who sometimes drop-in with more bigoted comments - they are consistently so - whereas it seems much more difficult to get a handle on 'Larry'.

Whichever 'voice' is presently at the other end of this digital interface at this moment, I would very much appreciate an answer to my question: is there or is there not anything at all in specifically Bush/ Obama Administration foreign policy as it relates to the Middle East and Central/ South Asia with which you disagree?

Or do you agree with it all?

"so medievalist notions of a woman’s place is accepted as a kind of groovy multiculturalist tolerance"
--angry

I suggest you go back and read the 9** thread again. Remind yourself. The nasty abuse spewed at me was from you and Larry, not from any Muslim here. Neither there, nor on any other thread.

When you're finished, I suggest you try and find a sense of humour somewhere, since both you and Larry are enirely devoid of one.

Glenn is right, Larry should be ignored, and I was one of those saying "don't feed the trolls" in the early days. But Craig said Larry was 'welcome' and I said I'd take my cue from that. I still think that was wrong. I believe numerous people are staying away because of his/their arrival.

""Faith and Begorrah! I'm in the wrong joke!"

Given the way (Cardinal) Sean Brady is behaving, that will be more and more true. But the original 'leprechaun' has changed beyond recognition since Hollywood got its hands on it. And nobody in Ireland ever said "Top o' the Morning". Sheer invention.

"Quite amazing that the moment somebody spouts off a bunch of drivel – much of which is actually quite racist and signs it “Larry from St. Louis” then all the conspiraloons here start praising it"

What was refreshing about it was not so much the content as the fact that it showed a glimmer of original thought.

How wrong you are Sue Hell Saudi,
American Foreign policy is based on its internal dynamics. So changing the president from Barak Osama or St Georg Bush(who is saintly, but not quite as saintly as his saintly father St Barbara Bush) or anyone else would cause a policy change. Just a change in face from an enlightened bright light white COLOR to to a dark black COLOR.
So my belief in separation is a belief in a change of foreign policy, a belief that is not shared by the communist Barak Osama, and St George of Bush.

Let me go in to specific detail about how this change will effect the regions you mentioned. Changes in St Louise alone can be used to demonstrate changes in the three regions you mentioned.
Take the Middle East for example. Here in America we believe arms to Israel, help to dictators, the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, aiding pro American terrorist groups, destabilisation, military bases in Muslim countries including the conduct of our troops when they leave their bases, torture, extraordinary, rendition, kidnappings without charge are not why Arabs/Muslims hate us. We believe the reason why Arabs/Muslims fight America is they want to die so they can get laid in heaven.
The solution would be the reestablishment of the Barbary Pirates, we should allow them to raid St Louise with their scimitars and carry off all the women they want from here and all the states they pass through to get here. This would mean they would get laid, so wouldn't need to die fighting us.
When it comes to South Asia, my policy would be to fill St Louise with people from those countries. This is because St Louise has been experiencing a population decline since the 1950s, which has recently accelerated. It is becoming a dead city full of deadbeats. And a population that refuses to reproduce, (this means that many of our women will welcome the chance of being carried off by Barbary pirates). We need to fill this city with people who hold the Asian work ethic. St Louise will become an Island of industry, handwork and intelligence in an ocean of ignorance, selfishness and laziness that is known as America. So it would be better if St Louise gains independence. It would be a country where the South Asian immigrants mix with the descendants of African slaves who make up over 50% of St Louise population. This will be a harmonious mix, just like Mauritius. To celebrate this new harmony, St Louise should be renamed New Mauritius! The harmonious mix of Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Indians would mean the harmony might spread to their countries of origin, resulting in a lasting peace. This lasting peace would mean they will work for their mutual benefit, which may stabilise neighboring regions such as Central Asia.

It is true that someone has cloned me here. That person did so, before I even posted my first post here, and then has the check to accuse me of cloning him! If that person want to remove confusion about who is posting what, that person should rename himself Larry from New Mauritius. I will not use that name so there will be no further confusion about who is writing what.

Flying saucer lands, by chance at a petrol station. 'Ask someone where we are' says the captain to one of his little green officers, who then climbs out of the saucer and walks over to a petrol pump. 'Excuse me'. No response. 'I say, excuse me...' Still no response. He reports back to the captain that there is a native outside their spacecraft, but that he will not speak to him. The captain pops his head out of the hatch, then comes back in and says:
'Why must you always go up and talk to the first idiot you see with his cock stuck in his ear?'

Agree with glenn. Let's not talk to petrol pumps.

"It is true that someone has cloned me here. That person did so, before I even posted my first post here"

If the other Larry got here first then perhaps you should have used a different name yourself: Larry from St. Louise would have sufficed.

"How wrong you are Sue Hell Saudi"
One of the 'Larries' 1010am

I answer to 'Melanie', if you please, not 'Sue'! But that, San Lorenzo, would risk bringing us back to snakes, scimitars and steamrollers (whatever gets you thru' the night...)

I have to assume, from the lack of coherent (or indeed any) response to my very simple question that contrary to their (but was it their's?) earlier suggestion, in fact the 'other' Larry (perhaps they are one person, perhaps they are legion!) is in essentially total support of the foreign policies of Bush-Obama and the hegemonic expansion of US imperialism.

The enemy, in other words.

We are legion!
Sort of like the trinity. we are the same, and yet we are different.
Some say George Bush the father, is George Bush the son. That he is his own father. And together with a third less important character they form a Trinity. Or shall we call it an axis of evil? George the father is evil, George the Son is evil, and Satan is evil but Satan is not the father or the son and the father is not the son but all are evil. It is very complicated, but you have to believe in it even though you do not understand it, we will call it the mystery.

The same applies here, there are three of us, but the three equals one. I am Larry from St. Louis and he is Larry from St. Louis, together with a less important character called Angrysoba we form a trinity. In some sense Larry from St. Louis is not AngrySoba but both of them are a nascence. It is difficult to understand, but you have to believe in it as a mystery.

I quite like this other Larry, even if he is the same.

Cerberus!! Or possibly Ashtaroth! The Ritual of Exorcism - or at least, of Revelation - has begun.

Now for apostate/tungsten/steelback (and possibly more). Tell me, apostate/tungsten/steelback, who are you? Are you one, or three (or four)? Or both?

"I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together..."

But where is the carpenter?

Here is a public service announcement :- "Don't eat the black baguettes".

dreoilin, re: leprachaun joke - you're right, of course, I pasted it from a US source. I thought it made it even more "I'm in the wrong place" funnily unfunny, but maybe it was just too late at night.

What's the difference between a Larry ? One question is both the same.

"all they’re really complaining about is that so few people agree with them" - Irate Noodle.

Would you like to borrow a mirror ?

I am a Mirror, and the Mirror is me.
The Mirror is the Key.
And the Key is a Flea.
The fact is you don't have to learn to sky
To chop down a tree
Because I am a Mirror and the Mirror is me.

Which Larry do you think wrote that?

The burqah of anonymity.

A TC88 Low Rider was found in a bush that was burning. Unfortunately the riders head lay in a nearby levee ditch. A pair of old boxing gloves were found covered with grim. I spoke to the dealer who said it was a shame and recalled the song. Never mind. I thanked him for the coffee and left.

Melanie Hell Saudi
You are a poet, aren't you?
What do you think of that poem I just wrote?

"Which Larry do you think wrote that?"

St Louise.

Did you mean "ski"?

lets have a vote on who is the other Larry is it:
Angrysoba
Craig
Larry from St. Louis
Richard Robinson
Suhayl Saadi
Vronsky
or someone else, please name

I personally think I am Suhayl Saadi, or Melanie as he/I prefers to be called.

MJ
Yes!
Did you mean 'he'?

Another vote should people call me as 'you' or 'he'?

Am I a second person or third?
Larry from St. Louis can refer to me as 'I' and maybe Suhayl Saadi too, if I am him, or he is me. Or should that be I is I?

We is I?

Oh bum, this is getting confusing. My head hurts. I'm off to see the wizard, the wonderful wizard of oz.

Because this isn't Kansas and St Louis is now New Mauritius.

I'm Larry from St. Louis

Larry seems to be replicating

I'm Spartacus!

Actually, it's Arsalan.

No, it's me

But at least we're all together

Goo Goo Ga Joo (and no, Larry that's not anti-semitic)

Larry, that poem sounds like lyrics from a 'Pebbles' album. All you need now is a theramin or, like the 13th Floor Elevators, a washboard. Give my regards to the Wizards from Kansas.

The exorcism seems to have had the reverse effect.

Tony,

Agree,

"I'd rather be martyred than live like this" Amal 8yrs Gaza

"The exorcism seems to have had the reverse effect. "

They always said odd things happened if you play it backwards.

I've been reading about the Memphis World Championship Barbecue Cooking Contest. It really exists.

"I'm Larry from St. Louis"

Prove it!

I bet you are Suhayl Saadi, or am I?

Yes, dreoilin the Memphis World Championship Barbecue Cooking Contest exists. There's all sorts of cooking contests in the States.

Slow-cooked barbecue is probably the tastiest meat you could ever eat.

What's your point? Is that another lame attempt at anti-Americanism?

Having a barbeque cooking contest is quite amusing, but having "World" in the title is the real killer. A bit like the "World Series" in American Football, with no other countries competing. The US won. Well done!

And all the best foods are from America!
Hot Dogs, Chitlins and Burgers!

You can keep your michelin stars, your Jamie Olivers and Gordon Ramsays we have
McDs, KFC, Burger King!

Do you think we would look like this if our food wasn't tasty?

http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/fat_america.jpg

MJ, that's baseball. It's called the "World Series" because it was originally sponsored by, if I recall correctly, the New York World, a now-defunct newspaper.

You just always shoot your mouth off without knowing anything, don't you?

Larry #2 - clearly you don't understand American food.

Jesus you people end up being so predictable.

Suhayl Saadi
No it is like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNMwRH5UGYY

"Having a barbeque cooking contest is quite amusing, but having "World" in the title is the real killer."

Not only that, MJ, but the "Honored Country" in 2010 is Tunisia.

http://www.memphisinmay.org/honoredcountry

Now, don't get the idea that anyone is going to Tunisia. They actually say you can learn all about Tunisia in your own backyard (so to speak) because, they're having a Tunisian singer! That's in among the FLAMING LIPS, PUDDLE OF MUDD, JERRY LEE LEWIS, BOBBY BLUE BLAND, NORTH MISSISSIPPI ALLSTARS and the DRIVE BY TRUCKERS (major et al).

It's all part of the "Memphis in May International Festival".

http://www.memphisinmay.org/Home

I'll tell you something, I've run many a festival and if I was calling one "International" I wouldn't get away with that nonsense.

"You can keep your michelin stars, your Jamie Olivers and Gordon Ramsays"

I never tried to eat any of them. Are they not tasty, then ?

dreoilin, you must have quite a sad life to feel that you have to go searching for support for your hatred of Americans.

What are you - Irish? If I decide that I dislike Ireland and go looking for material, I don't think it would take long to find some fun bit of information.

"Jesus you people end up being so predictable"

And that's just the Larries.

See, it's the staged argument scene now, what's the betting on a bucket of whitewash ?

This double Larry thing is getting confusing.
Let's have a vote to resolve it.

I think the other Larry should sign himself as Larry from New Mauritius.
And someone else said that I should sign myself as Larry from St. Louise.
Lets vote on it. I will abide by the whims of the democratic majority.

"I will abide by the whims of the democratic majority."

But somebody else could be forging our names, how will you know it's us voting ?

Should we vote on ourselves, first ?

Yep, definitely.

Democracy is a rather quaint and discredited concept.

Confessions time, eh ? Okay, I was the Eggmen, too. But not any of the others.

And I categorically refuse to deny that I never shot the deputy.

OK, I will vote that I am Larry from St. Louis and the other guy is someone else.

And as your one true Larry(you will have no Larry besides me) I vote that I should be called Larry from St. Louis and the other guy should be called Larry from New Mauritius.
Or may be Garry from New Mauritius?
How about Barry?
Carry?
Darry?
Earry?
Farry?
Garry, already done that.
Harry!
Iarry?
Jarry?
Karry!
Larry, no that's mine.
Marry!
Narry?
Oarry?
Parry!
Quarry!
Rarry?
Sarry?
Tarry!
Uarry?
Varry? Vary! Very!
Warry?
Xarry?
Yarry?
Zarry?

St. Lois

Will the real Larry please stand up

please stand up

please stand up?

More people need to vote on who I really am.
You already know my vote, I think I am really Suhayl Saadi because I'll recognise
that writing style anywhere.

I'm already standing! I'm just short.

I knew I shouldn't have smoked that joint before the acid wore off, it just gets confusing.

"I knew I shouldn't have smoked that joint before the acid wore off"

Look on the bright side - if you hadn't done, you'd be lost for an explanation, no ?

This thread has turned into a trip. Must be the bread...

So stop being me.
Drink a cup of tea.
Before taking a pee.
in the middle of the deep blue sea.

Suhayl Saadi I have worked out why you are cloned me. It is because you are bald. And don't deny it.
I have it on good authority that only bald men wear hats like that!
I believe you suffer from the bald man complex. That's why you disagree with me, and the fact that I am part of the master race.
You choose to cover your baldness with a hat because you are anti-American and refuse to cover it with a wig like us. Your anti-Americanism stops you from acknowledging that American superman are your superiors, and the example that all lesser races such as yourself must attempt to emulate.
It also proves you are antisemitic because Orthodox Jewish women also wear wigs, and you refuse to do so because you don't want to be like them. Meaning that you are homophobic because you are against transgender men, because they also wear wigs.

This post is probably, written by you too, in your attempt to copy me.

You are also an antiseptic of the type that people use on their bums when they they eat to much junk food without drinking enough water.

What a prattling bunch of social derelicts!

Get a life you saddoes!

Shithead shills who cover the backsides of elites involved in everything from banking scams,narcotic traffic,mind control,and language debasement to paedophilia and satanism deserve to end up where YOU are now-

in a destinationless,mindless, recursive dialogue about precisely nothing with....each other!

Dingbat Larry,oilman,crab et al-you were all exposed and seen off utterly on the 911 thread as soon as any serious researcher confronted you.

You guys have taken masochism to new levels.

You made a complete pig's ear of trying to spin us the already embarrassingly threadbare official 911 fairy tale.Now you're trying to steer us permanently away from MK-ULTRA.

Readers of Craig's blog who despair when the shill hijackers appear again and the commentary rapidly degenerates (literally)overnight can rest assured.

Serious researchers like me who naturally only dip into Craig's site occasionally because we're....well,researching something of course-will always be here to supply the links with which you can educate yourself on the subject of elite malfeisance across the board.

So the shithead-shill disinfo team can take a running jump.

When their Khazar-inspired tribal fetish for worshipping each other's willies at all hours of the night has finally abated-let them remember the words of Our Lord:

But whether they be prophecies,they shall fail;whether there be tongues they shall cease;whether there be knowledge it shall vanish away....

When I was a child,I spake as a child,I understood as a child,I thought as a child.But then I became a man.I put away childish things.

For now we see through a glass darkly...

But NOW-though the anti-Christ shills haven't fathomed it yet-the veil is lifted from all our eyes.

Hell even Craig Murray is now contemplating the provenance of evil-the writing is surely on the wall for you shills and all the other enemies of truth and love!

Amen.....suckers!

Did you just spout a load of Biblical prophecy,Steelback?

At least you got this thread back on track in the process.

If you're at all intrigued about how Larry's highly dysfunctional "brain" was created check this out:

http://whale.to/b/patton.html

It's high time angrisoba and his team of "shithead shills" got some deprogamming and reintegrating therapy methinks!

With Larry-I fear it's too damn late!

That's very nice of you, Larry, just before lunchtime, too. If you look at my website, you will find hatless pictures too. Wigs? I'd like one like Peter Frampton's hairdo circa 1968, but fear that I would look even odder than with the hats!! Welcome, fellow-baldy and tea-jenny. May you live long and prosper.

Steelback/tungsten/apostate/ etc., the masses plead unto thee, come unto us and reveal thyself unto thy people, the unbelievers. I command thee! Pour thy being into tablets of stone and fling thyself from the lip of the moon into the quaich of our brain-pans. Do you not have a willie?

provide a link to a picture where you have a full head of hair, and make sure it isn't photoshoped!

It is a well known fact that bald men do not buy combs, so you can also scan in an image of recipt for a comb, for which you paid with a card. Scan your card too, so I can check that they match.
And also write down your pin number and any other information I might need to empty your bank account.
If you assume I will use such information to steal from you, you do so because you are an antiAmerican, antisemitic racist Jew hater, just like all the people of your race and religion!

Oh tits, I forgot to sign the last post Larry from St. Louis.

Hay Suhayl Saadi have you worked out who I am yet?

Do you agree with me that I am you?

Bromide, my man, bromide!

The Mail's piece on Pont St Esprit yesterday was far more detailed than the Telegraph's.

In their article The Mail fingered Sydney Gottlieb as the "Black Sorcerer" for whom Frank Olson worked.Posing the question:Was Idyllic French Village Driven Crazy-Andrew Malone told of Gottlieb's demonic predilection for MK-Ultra LSD experiments.

Naturally The Mail assured us that though the evidence unearthed particularly by Hank Alberelli tends to strongly reek of Gottlieb's involvement-the truth will never be known.....

Curiously The Mail never mentions the Swiss Sandoz Big Pharma firm that supplied LSD for the CIA or Allen Dulles' OSS work in Geneva during WW2 or Operation Paperclip-the post-war US intelligence team-up with leading Nazi assets.

Malone does mention Gottlieb's setting up a CIA brothel to study LSD's effect on cathouse patrons.

Doesn't Larry run a string of cathouses for Larry Silverstein?

MISHPUCKA!

Ah, Steelback, you're doing exactly what you criticised some of the rest of us for doing, i.e. reading media organs financed by big capital. You're reading b/w the lines as a skeptic, just as you suggested we not do with media organs financed by liberal foundations. You can't have it both ways, my friend.

"You can't have it both ways, my friend. "

You homophobe, what is wrong with having it both ways?

"MISHPUCKA!"

Bless you.

Larry #2 is not particularly clever, but you morons think he's either funny or informative, and sometimes both.

And of course Steelback has to bring up Larry Silverstein.

I just don't understand the anti-Jewish hatred of many members of the British Left. What did Jews ever do to you?

I wonder which Larry is ranting about Jews again...

Not me

We don't hate Jews, we just hate you.
And I'm Larry #1, you can be #2 because you seem like a number #2 sort of person. That is what I think whenever I read anything which you write. Do you lot agree? When you read what he writes don't you think he is chats load of #2?

Larry, all this Jewish ranting is getting a bit tedious. Especially as you seem to be the only one who brings it up. Do you have a problem with the Jewish faith? Was your mother once frightened by a Rabbi?

Chris yours comments are completely Homophobic!

"Especially as you seem to be the only one who brings it up."

Fuck you. Steelback brought it up, AS HE ALWAYS DOES. And the standard operating procedure of Craig Murray's friends is to allow it to proceed until me or Angrysoba calls it out, at which point we're accused of bringing up Jews. Now that's tedious.

Did you catch where he typed MISHPUCKA! after he mentioned Larry Silverstein and someone named Gottlieb?

Capital letters and all.

And then you accuse me of bringing up the Jews.

Are you people really that stupid?

And they are all Homophobic!

Suhayl Saadi told Steelback that he can't have it both ways!

And now the person who is pretending to be me seems to be fixated on homosexuals.

Wonderful.

Oh Christ, now they're talking to each other. Time for pastures new I feel.

MJ, why would you leave? That's just one of your fellow anti-Semitic irrational conspiraloons using a different tactic.

Larry what makes you so sure it wasn't you who wrote that Homophobe stuff?

I didn't write it, you did!

I know you are, but what am I?

I sense this may be another attempt to associate this website with words and phrases that will be used to discredit it, much as Craig had suggested in another thread.

We are all Larry and Larry is all of us.

Larry is the whisper we hear in our hearts that tells us to fart in lifts.

If we were honest we will all admit that there is a bit of Larry in all of us.

And within Larry there is a bit that isn't Larry. He doesn't like to admit this. But there is a little voice that he tries to ignore, that tells him Palestinians feel pain just like anybody else. He will not admit it, but deep down inside he knows America had no right to invade Iraq.

For nigh on a century now the failure of people to see beyond the prism of corporate media for their information has led to the near extinction of critical thinking.People have blindly followed commentators and "experts" regardless of the fact that they most often spoke in a language that made no rational or logical sense.

This information source we call the "internet"-a technology invented by elites that has blown up in their faces-now forces these same elites to fight an increasingly rearguard action.Truth, and those who are inclined to use the internet to uncover it,are now Elite Enemy No.1.

Empty-headed shills like those above parrot their vacuous modern day equivalent of the old Hearst/Northcliffe yellow journalism.There to,in Neil Postman's words to "amuse us all to death",the shills are the elite's rather pathetic solution to the problem posed by the sheer volume of factual information now readily accessible on the net.

Zbigniew Brzezinski once expressed the fear that troubled him deeply of "a massive global political awakening".The incipient march to unseat the elites who have used perpetual war and central banking to enslave the people over centuries was what kept Zbig awake at night.

With the adolescent Larry,angri,crabs,and oilman shill disinfo team here in place at the former ambassador to Uzbekistan's blog I can't imagine Zbig or any of the other NWO crew really now believe they can sustain their elite control over us permanently.

They're probably on their way to China already by now!

Suhayl Saadi stop being such a sad sausage .
We all past here for fun, we don't past here to preach to the converted.

The only war with which we need concern ourselves is the War on Human Consciousness waged against us by the elite over thousands of years.

Larry,angri,suhayl et al are just foot-soldiers in the 21st century extension of this war to destroy critical thinking and human awareness.

Researcher Jim Keith understood the new man this civilisational war was seeking to create.In Mass Control:Engineering Human Consciousness he described him thus:

"Here stands the new man.His conception of reality is a dance of electronic images fired into his forebrain.A gossamer design of his master's construction so that he will not under any circumstances perceive the actual or the real.

His happiness is delivered to him through a tube or an electronic connection.His God lurks behind an electronic curtain and when the curtain is pulled away the CIA sorcerer and the media manipulator are revealed."

It's a rather prescient description of the intellectually challenged shills above and their victims as well!

Put on some 13th Floor Elevators or The Red Crayola: Easter Everywhere. Parable of the Arable Land.

Are we talking link sausages, or flat ones? At any rate, we're talking serious sausages. Barbecue sausages. Italian barbecue sausages.

"I am not a sausage, I am a free man!"

Steelback, you haven't answered my point yet on your use of the corporate media.

"Bromide, my man, bromide!"

They used to say that large quantities of vitamin C could help.

Really! Vitamin C! That's fascinating, Richard. I tried to open the 'tunes' website, btw (two websites, one at the Uni of Leeds, I think), but couldn't, there seemes to be maintenance of some sort going on. It's a wonderful resource.

Freeborn/steelback/apostate/tungsten, come on, man, direct your passionate attacks at those who are really part of the elite, not at (relatively) marginalised figures like me.

Suhayl - "I tried to open the 'tunes' website, btw (two websites, one at the Uni of Leeds, I think), but couldn't, there seemes to be maintenance of some sort going on."

I was going to say the Leeds one is long dead - as it has been - but I checked, and it's come partway back - the frontpages & indexes seem to work, but the actual material isn't delivered; which is worse than useless. So, thanks for that, I'll have to look further into it.

Argh, zombie websites ! Dammit.

The 'Live!" one is current, and works (best of three, anyway), though the new-new-improved version is long overdue.

"It's a wonderful resource". Thanks. Traditional tune notation seems to go nicely on the web, there's a lot of that kind of stuff knocking around. If I could only clear the stuff I have to do first, I want to include other types of input that aren't so restricted to n-w-european alphabets. I don't see why there shouldn't be stuff with titles in Chinese, Arabic, etc. But for now, it can't even do a Welsh ŵ. (sigh) One day ...

"direct your passionate attacks at those who are really part of the elite, not at (relatively) marginalised figures like me."

Suhayl Saadi you are part of the elite,
I bet you have a really push accent and you use a handkerchief instead of your sleeve like normal people?

Oh thank you! Well, I'm not the Red Queen, but...

So, Larry, I take it that as well angrysoba and larry, steelback/tungsten/apostate/feeborn et al are all YOU!

You are not Cerberus, you are the Hydra!

"the Hydra!"

There's one of John leCarré's books where he uses that term for the deep mafia/state.

A good writer, that.

Well, call me an eejit, but I've been catching up on the comments here since my last visit and I'm nearly peeing myself at Larry No 2! Reading them downwards all together was hilarious. (I'm still convinced No 2 is Arsalan.)

Ok, so I had a bad day. But it's still funny. :)

There'll all one person.

We are all but bees in the Great Hive of the Internet.

Doesn't make it any less daft, mind.

The question, Richard, is, who is the Queen?

"who is the Queen?"

Ah, yes. Good question, analogy blown out of water.

Ain't nobody here but us chickens, long live us chickens !

"who is the Queen?"

I'll answer that question!
The Queen is the only Briton us Americans like, because unlike the rest of you she isn't a left wing communist Islamist.

We all fantasize how wonderful things would be if she was an American. Did you AntiAmerican Jew Haters assume us right wingers only fantasize about St George of Bush and Arial Sharon being women?

How little you know about American!

Arsalan, get some rest. This is what happesns when one imbibes an excess of Turkish coffee.

It is me you say?
That is slander of the libellous variety!
Craig help me out here, can you pass me the details of those law firms who keep saying they will sue you?
Suhayl Saadi seeing that you are a bro, and your slander may well have resulted from a bald-man complex I am willing to settle out of court, give me ten billion zillion pounds and 22 pence or a signed copy of one of your book, a good one, not a crap one.

Notwithstanding any amount of nights spent worshipping each other's todgers- and the other forms adolescent male bonding in which you shills like to engage-some of us will always be around to drag you back kicking and screaming to address the topic of the original post.

You may have succeeded in boring many of this blog's visitors into seeking their information elsewhere but you guys are still here because you think some of these visitors may get closer to the truth it's your job to keep covered up.

Time magazine's original coverage of the Pont St Desprit ergot(read LSD)poisoning case in 1951 spun the official(read CIA)line that blamed the French baker! Whether the guy was ever indicted is difficult to discover but there are references in later sources to that poor man's(read patsy/fall guy's)dying in disgrace etc.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,815355-1,00.html

If nothing else the Time piece provides us with a classic case-study in how to do disinfo.

You shills:angri,Larry,robinson,suhayl and that guy with crabs-who we note has mysteriously been substituted by a second Larry on the disinfo team-should read it first.

It might transform you from the piss-poor disinfo. outfit you now are into something a little more polished.

Then again,it might not.....

LOL!

Agreed, Arsalan. I promise I'll sign it for you!

Steelback/ tungsten/ apostate/ freeborn/ Great Uncle Bulgaria, you haven't answered my question yet. So here is another. Would you prefer that 'we' engage in adolescent female bonding? I can do that, too, you know. Can you? But then, if you are the man who does not have a bald-man complex... are you the Queen?

I blame Saints Anthony and Kentigern.

Steelback I can assure you that I am not the guy with Crabs. All of my pet crabs died because I didn't get the salt concentration right in my fish tank.
I am sure to a 95% degree with a 2% margin of eroor that I am Suhayl Saadi.
This is because of my writing style, I will recognise it anywhere.

It's the lobster.

It is funny you said that because I had langoustine yesterday night.
I can bring you some if I come to collect your book, Oh shit I just ....
I'm Suhayl Saadi, I'm really posh and bald, I wipe my boggies on a handkerchief not my sleeve like you peasants!

Steelback - in that post, not one reference to the Joooooooooo! Congratulations! For once you don't sound like Borat!

Larry from St. Louis at March 20, 2010 11:21 AM are you a third Larry?

Thanks, Larry-I-mean-Arsalan-I-mean-me! If you'd be so kind as to send me an e-mail through my 'baldy', handkerchief'd website with a message and a note of a postal address, I'd be happy to send you the kitaab by post - there being 400 miles (by road, less as the crow flies, if one is a crow) b/w our respective loci in the multiverse (though I realise that you are many-headed and a human - or at least humanoid - panopticon). But only on condition that you post langoustines to me. Or, given that langoustines have a tendency to escape en route, at least a breakdown of your finest and most hermeneutic fish recipe.

I'll design a dish specially for you.
It might take me a couple of days.
Before I do so I need some info about available ingredients.
You are in Scotland aren't you?
If you are I would probably decide on a base that consists of freshly caught wild Scottish salmon.
I like the taste of fish, especially fresh Scottish fish, so if you do live in Scotland I'll keep the fish simple(not much of a recipe then?), but I'll compensate for it with side dishes.
Do you have any shops where you can buy Chinese or Indian ingredients near you?

Hey arsalan, did you know that London's full of lobsters ? They hide in the transport system.

King's Crustacean, Charing Crustacean, St. Pan Crustacean ...

Ah, corny jokes and arsalan talking about fish. That's more like it.

It's all part of the job, for a shill working to cover up the terrrible truth of the French baking industry.

That is quite good, when I read the first few lines I thought you were going to mention the creyfish menice.
I think the joke is a bit old because you should have mentioned a New Crustacean, it is on the east london line.

Arsalan, that's lovely of you! Yes, there are indeed shops where one can get Chinese and Indian ingredients here in Glasgow... suddenly I am hungry - I can hardly wait! Salmon, fab! Don't forget though to send me an address so I can post the book. If you e-mail me via my website, I'll e-mail you direct. Thanks again.

You shills sound like a bunch of fairies whispering sweet nothings.

This is the former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan's blog NOT some male homosexual dating site.

You shower of brown-nosing shills:Larry,suhayl,Robbie Robertson,angri-faggot,arsahole need to get off your gay butts and do some (manly)research.

Your attempts to bury the CIA MASS MIND CONTROL EXPERIMENT that took place in Pont St Esprit-and IS THE TOPIC of this thread-are failing miserably.

Check out Wiki on "Black Jack" Bouvier's ancestral links to the village.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pont-Saint-Esprit

Bill Engdahl is also on the case here:

http://labvirus.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/

When you've shagged each other stupid starring in your own sequel to CIA Operation Midnight Climax you shill faggots need to do some research!

Lol!

Ooh, I do like a forceful man!

Apostate/ Tungsten/ Steelback/ Freeborn, you've still not answered my question. As always, though, fascinating links and thanks for posting them.

I don't know who you are, but communicating via insult is unlikely, in general, to exert much traction - even if you're 100% correct about a subject, people just get fed up being called arseholes, etc. By all means, smash 'The Man', smash his assets, smash his robber-baron economy. But don;t confuse swearing at fellow-bloggers with smashing The Man. I realise you may be the excellent purveyor of may by an Arsalan-like tongue-in-cheek ironic parabolic morality tale. If so, I accept my stupidity in failing to recognise it.

Not fairies (though there's nothing wrong with fairies, pixies, gnomes, elves...), not fairies, moles.

"We are the moles and we stay in our ho-wo-woles!"

Not Robbie Robertson and The Band, but Simon Dupree and the Big Sound.

I sense the thread ran out of topic some time ago. The CIA's job is to exert US hegemony over the globe; they will achieve this by any means possible, including screwing with our minds, which they and their lackeys do every day via the MSM (yes, and the liberal foundations and via the major corporations). The rest is persiflage. The CIA is the enemy of liberty. The CIA is the enemy of fraternity. The CIA is the enemy of equality. It is entirely valid for people discoursing on the web to occasionally be fraternal rather than pointlessly obnoxious to one another. Especially when fish is the dish. If all those who oppose the CIA and the US hegemon make common cause and refuse to be browbeaten and brainwashed, that is one element of the struggle. You may promote another element of struggle. The two are not mutually exclusive, but rather, are mutually dependent. Solidarity.

May your filament shine long and bright, tungsten.

Apostate
It looks like Larry/Angry has wan in regards to you.
Larry/Angry are not here to get us to worship the CIA/Mosad the way they do. They are here to get us to fight each other so we will have less time to fight them.
We are all different here, but we are all against the war machine, that fact makes us all one one side and the Larry/Angry on the other.
Craig pasted what he did, you pasted what you did, we all read it and we agreed. What more do you want?
Once we all agree on something, the only people who will continue to post on that are the Angry/Larrys.

Steelback or what every you call yourself we are all on the same side. So yes feel free to insult Angry/Larry, but when you insult anyone else, you are only doing Angry/Larrys dirty work for them, and you are making them very happy!

Apostate/ Tungsten/ Steelback/ Freeborn
You might hate us, and that might mean you hate me too,
But I don't hate you,
The only people I hate here are angry/Larry.
They are the enemy, our only enemy.
Yours, mine, and everyones.
The rest of us might disagree, but we are on the same side.
No one but the angry/Larrys of this world believe in killing brown babies for Israel.
So if the rest of us say things you don't like remember that, remember you are correcting friends when you correct us, and correcting enemies when you correct them.
Otherwise you might just find yourself fighting all your wars on your own. And lone wolves never win. Rombos and commandos only exists in the movies, people in the real world have to work togeather to win.
That is why Angry Larry are here, to stop us working togeather.
When you insult anyone on your side, you are helping Angry and Larry whether you like it or not.

"Your attempts to bury the CIA MASS MIND CONTROL EXPERIMENT that took place in Pont St Esprit-and IS THE TOPIC of this thread-are failing miserably.

Homophobia's a pretty pathetic change of subject, too.

I agree with Apostate.

FYI I am not the same person.Nor,as far as I can work out,are any of the others you are wont to lump together.

What distinguishes Apostate et al and myself from you and your shill buddies is our shared determination to ensure that people get the chance to use this Holy Grail of human knowledge and betterment we call the "internet" to discover the truth for themselves.

During the time you spend in your love-ins exchanging sweet off-topic nothings with the shills visitors to this CURRENT AFFAIRS blog who might want to uncover more about the topic Craig's posted on are being deterred from delving deeper.

This is NOT A GAY DATING SITE it is like any other political blog all about visitors accessing and sharing information.

Looking back at your contributions to this thread alone makes it abundantly clear that none of you have any interest in the advancement of human understanding whatever.

More on Pont-St-Esprit

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Blog/?p=3502

It just won't go away,shills!

Freeborn et al: Whether or not you are the same person, effectively, you are one. It's very clear that when someone says: "I hate the CIA, they're a bunch of mass murderers" and you do not concur, you must therefore be supportive of the CIA and of imperial war. All this homophobia and your claims to a monopoly on truth is just a smokescreen. Real anti-imperialist activists - or even real anti-imperialists - do not communicate in the way you do. You're here to spread discord.

I am sure he isn't even a proper homophobe.
How many of your incarnations took part on the pope thread?
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/01/stupid_rambling.html

Other then the odd anti Larry (I have nothing against attacking Larry)attack.

"lone wolves never win."

I liked that slogan they had in Poland (except I thought it worked better without the capital letters) - "there is no freedom without solidarity".

Attention-vampires on the attack, no bother worry 'bout that.

A whole day has passed without a squeak from a Larry.

Suhayl et al-no amount of pious posturing and irrelevant rants re-gay rights can detract from Freeborn's point re-you and your shill friends adding no intellectual value to this blog whatever.

Dumb,insipid post-gay orgy banter as you share the After Eights doe not pass muster as acute political commentary!

If you've got something to add on this thread re-Pont St Esprit then fire away.

Since it's abundantly clear that this is not the case take a hike and let the more serious commenters get on with the business of exchanging information/links on the topic.

Since you guys spend so much time off-topic a little bit more time would be valuably spent catching up on your reading.

May I suggest you read a book called Learning to Philosophize by E.R.Emmett.The chapters on Language and Bewitchment,Asking the Right Questions and Appearance and Reality should go a long way in rectifying your patent deficiencies in logical thinking and reasoned argument.

Failing your finding Emmett's book any other university primer will help you with the rapidly disappearing skill of logical thinking.

I ain't got no universal-type educashon but I noze bullshit when I smell the damn stuff.

These shills and dere gay frenz talkin' all nite long spoutin' jussa load ol'horseshite unworthy of the blog His Emnence Massa Ambassder Craig.

Now Larry bin gon so long froma here St Louis runnin' dat dam Silverstein cathouse we all dun drink hissa licker to the bottom da bottle.We still gotta sum dem After Ate mint chocs lef still!

Most allus roun' St Louis noze Larry gotta hisself a double now.That's jussa way dem Mishpucka guyz oprates-t'ain't no different from befor wen ol'Oswal workin' outta Naval Intellgens he done got hisself 'nother ID.

If youz goen roun' places lika Dallas shootin' da dam Presdent anna Franz anna stickin' LSD inna dare worter supplies-hell you sure gon' need a difren ID ain't ya?

Me anna Massa tungstein still enjoyin' Larry's lady whilse he gon'.

Apostate. I am not a Philosophy graduate. As always, I appreciate your knowledge and erudition but not the manner in which you prefer to communicate it. This is an internet forum: words are everything. Discourse is not just about shouting lists of reading material at people; it's about communication. Constantly calling people "shills" seems to me to resemble the tactics used by agents of the state who infiltrate campaigning groups. Call everyone a shill, sow distrust among the members. The most 'extreme' members of groups are often state agents. They position themselves thus in order to gain maximum credibility and for other reasons as well. I'm sure you can read primers which tell you that. I have one very simple question for you: Are you against US-UK military imperialism? An answer consisting of either a 'yes' or a 'no' would be very much appreciated.

On critical thinking check out The Trivium-a 6000 year old bullshit- detector.

http://triviumpursuit.com/articles/what_is_the_trivium.php

Also Dorothy Sayers' Lost Tools of Learning

http://cambridgestudycenter.org/articles/Sayers1.htm

OK, since we're back on topic and the Larrys are having the weekend off, here's what I think about the Pont-Saint-Esprit case.

There are two basic theories. The orthodox view is that it was a simple accident. Barley flour became contaminated with ergot - it can happen - and the victims went down with LSD-like poisoning and hallucinations as a result. The new theory is that the town was deliberately sprayed with LSD as part of a covert CIA operation to test the effects of the drug on an unsuspecting population, a la MK-Ultra.

The second theory sounds plausible but it is based solely on remarks made by unnamed alleged former intelligence operatives.

My heart sinks when I hear evidence like this. It may in reality be the best evidence available and all that we need to get to the truth. On the other hand it may not. It may be garbage. We never really know.

As an English empiricist at heart I like material evidence best of all. It never lies. We can misinterpret it, but it never lies.

So I'd like to know what happened when the French police investigated the case at the time. Did they determine that every single victim had eaten the bread in question? Assuming they conducted forensic tests on the remaining flour from the same batch suspected to have been the cause of the contamination, did they find traces of ergot?

If the answer to both those questions is yes then I'm with the orthodox theory. If the answer is no then I'm with the new theory.

MJ,

yes, that's my viewpoint, too.

Arsalan,

I agree; even if this is CIA, it makes only a small addition to an already long list of CIA attrocities.

Apostate etc,

presumably you meant to post your "tungsten" comment at 9:30 AM above under your "juniper" alias, to remain consistent with the 911 thread.

I'd appreciate an answer to Suhayl Saadi's question, too.

juniper-you're digging a rather big hole for yourself there!

The shills will ignore any reference to TRUTH-it's something that's anathema to them.They buried it deep years ago and do not possess the excavation tools to find it again.

You just held a crucifix aloft in full view of the vampires!

They know the consequences for them as Americans begin to wake up and cognize just who their real enemies are.

FYI The Protocols of Zion are utterly taboo and should never be mentioned in polite company.

Didn't they teach you anything at your Missouri finishing school?

The Sabrosky link was spot on by the way.

Here's another access:

http://www.countercurrents.org/sabrosky110310.htm

Weez gettin' mitey off da topic herebouts Massa Steel....but Hell iffa don matta to dem shills why der should it matta to uz?

Dey still brushin' on dare analy skills readin' Massa Freebon's Trivium an'all.

I spect dey strugglin' fin' der words to react like most dem shills do when Doc Sabrosky at der Army War College posts a new essay.

Ebody ten' to git mitey rile 'bout treason wot takin dare loved ones to dare graves an' all.

Hell,Larry anna dem shills won wanna be roun here wen der shit begin ta hit da fan!

Re Protocols of Zion:

In 'Behold A Pale Horse' Milton William Cooper says:

The Protocols of Zion were referred to in the late 1700s. The first copy available to public scrutiny surfaced in the early 1800s. Every aspect of this plan to subjugate the world has since become reality, validating the authenticity of conspiracy.
For clear understanding, the word "Zion" should be "Sion"; any
reference to "Jews" should be replaced with the word "Illuminati"; and the word "goyim" should be replaced with the
word "cattle".

Time for discussion of the Protocols to be restored to polite company?

Steel back, if Americans wake up, all it would mean is they wont be asleep.
Nothing else will change.
America hasn't recently become an evil nation.
It was created as an evil nation.

The solution is to remove America from its position as the world's most powerful nation.

Arsalan,

I try to take "America" down a little by referring to it as the US - America is really a continent.

So did this website once again become a cesspool for supporters of the legitimacy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

Clark, I tried take it down a little by refering to it as America. The majority of people there don't realise their is a world outside their borders.
They seem to think their stolen nation is the world.

Americans need to go the way of the Soviet union for their own good. Otherwise they could end up going the way of Nazi Germans or Japanese during the 2nd WW.

I hope that the US is on the way down. The whole shebang runs on oil, which is hopefully getting harder to produce. Industrial capacity has been moved overseas, and debt is enormous. But the system is big, so the process is frustratingly slow, and victims of the US are likely to increase as it becomes more desperate. I pity those victims, and the poor of the US itself.

Things aren't exactly fine in the U.S., but, by various indices, America's economy is much stronger than that of Europe.

I pity the pathetic anti-Americans of Britain who will have to suffer in their hatred as the U.S. does just fine over the course of their pathetic anti-American lives.

The Tonton Macoute is back! Quick! Slay a chicken, someone!

The US is too wealthy, that mode of life is unsustainable, it cannot even be generalised to the whole world, there simply wouldn't be enough to go round.

A lot of people see what America is doing now, and assume America is trying to take over the world. They are wrong. America has been trying to take over the world since ww2, and when the soviet union callapsed. America suceeded.
What we are witnessing now is the callapse of America.
They are attacking countries everywhere, in attempt to gain any sustenence they can.
America can best be described as a rabid dog, biting anything that moves while it dies.
America has nothing to keep it alive any more, so they invade a country or two to steal what others have to keep themselves alive. But what they steal will soon run out, and at that point America's time will run out. And it will have to beg from its enemies just like Russia did after the soviet union died.
Millitry mighty didn't save the USSR, and Americans are fools if they think it will save them.

Arsalan,

are you sure? After all, not even a Black Hole can eat three Shredded Wheat! I do hope you're right.

If the U.S. is doing bad, what a shithole the U.K. is.

But we'll continue to lure your professionals, as you continue to lick the asses of people like Arsalan because Muslim enslavement is much more appealing to you than live-and-let-live.

Thanks guys. Both for the professionals and for the laughs.

So long, and thanks for all the music.

Larry
You are welcome to our tax dodging greedy criminals, in return we will take the few hardworking moral people you have. Lets call it a population exchange?

Larry, you are really very silly. Only people from your dumb downed country believe in such crap.
People here don't. They hate you, not us. And when you try to get us to fight amongst each other we don't start hating each other, we just hate you more.
Every time you are accused of being a bigoted racist, you repeat your silly lines about how you are only "against the terrorists and not Muslims in general"(the line your government uses to kill and torture), Larry as has happened many times before, your last lines were not directed at 'terrorists' they were directed at Muslims. Larry, you are a racist, a Bigot, a hate monger and most of all a hypocrite. It is you who cry crocodile tears for Jews every time Israel is attacked and sometimes when it isn't even mentioned.
Larry, may you rot in the deepest pit of hell for the rest of time. I hate you, we hate you and I believe even your Mom hates you, because now that I have got to know you, I can't see that it is possible to like you. You are a single man, with no friends, who even his family tries to avoid. So the very thought of people liking each other fills you with envy of the love you will never experience, so you say "as you continue to lick the asses of people like Arsalan", because you are very jealous, sad, very lonely and very depressed.
The only reason you have not to commit suicide is your Internet hate campaign against Muslims, which you confuse for your patriotic duty. You do this because your hatred for yourself due to the hatred you experience from everyone you have every met can only be veiled by a greater hatred, and you have chosen Muslims to be the people you hate more than you hate yourself.
If you ever stop this nonsense you will experience the full furry of the contempt you feel for yourself. If you no longer have this one man mission to spread hatred on the internet, you will kill yourself, because their will be nothing to divert you from that.
And when you do, I'm sure no one will even notice you are gone. Your body will remain in your lonely house until all that is edible has been eaten by maggots. When unpaid bills finally result in someone breaking the door down, no one will claim your body. It will be left to local government to incinerate it at tax payers expense. When your next of kin are contacted, they will smile at the thought of inheriting what once was yours.
And that would be the last anyone anywhere will ever think of you.

The rest of you:
When a dog has rabbis the kindest thing to do is put it to sleep.
The death of America is best for America.
When the machine is broken may be they will spend the money they now use to invade other people's countries to feed its own people?
Maybe they would be able to have free universal health care like civilised countries, instead of the auction house system they have now. Maybe they will even have free University education of the sort we had, where the sons of street cleaners had as much ability to get in to the University of their choice as the sons of billionaires.

So for there sakes and the sakes of the rest of humanity that are subjugated by the Great Satan the machine must be destroyed!

You might think the single pinprick the you can pock in to a Monster the size of a Continent will have very little effect. But who says you should stop at one pin prick and who says you will be the only one pocking it?
If everyone who hates it starts poking it, any monster, even a bigger monster will bleed to death. And this monster, America is already very anemic.
So stop buying American products, stop feeding this rabid dog. Each product you buy increases its life span and its suffering as well as its victims by a small amount. Let the dog die, even if the only way to kill it is starvation.

"Maybe they will even have free University education of the sort we had, where the sons of street cleaners had as much ability to get in to the University of their choice as the sons of billionaires."

Well now that's just silly. Financial aid is amazing in America. For instance, at a number of top schools, if your family makes less than $60K, everything is free for all 4 years. If they make more than that but less than $100K, there's a tuition waiver.

And school loans aren't so horrible.

British criticisms of America are generally silly, but this one is always really silly.

You still can't see it can you?
Where you are people have to choose from the number who have fee wavers, from the few they can afford to go to. In the civilised world they don't. What matters is their brains, not their dad's money.
So people go to the Universities they are clever enough to get in to. In your nation they go in to the Universities they are wealthy enough to get in to. The few who get scholarships, is irrelevant to overall numbers.
I'm surprised you didn't say something similar for your health service or lack of it.
Larry I hope you get a very bad illness and then find that your insurance company refuses to cover the medication due to costs. Maybe then you might develop some empathy for the millions of Americans who can't afford health insurance.
Maybe then you will realise it is more important for your taxes to be spent on saving your lives then taking the away the lives of brown people.
But I believe you and most of the people in your country are too thick to realise this. So we need to take away as much money from your country as we are able. We need to boycott America good and proper, to save you from your own greed.
America is already on the verge of financial collapse. Tightening the taps a little may be whats needed.

"In your nation they go in to the Universities they are wealthy enough to get in to."

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Every year, billions and billions in financial aid, yet the British always seem to want to make this claim.

The reason why people seem to think the American education system needs to be reformed is most of the Americans we meet are like you.

We do not think your system is worse than ours because we believe our system is the best. We believe your system is worse than our because your system is the worst.

Your system is so bad because of people like you who refuse to see the need for change.
People from every other nation are not blinded with primitive patriotism like yourself so are open to criticism. Look at the other threads, we criticise the UK continuously. That is how the UK improves, When someone criticises America, they are told to love it or leave it, that is why it is impossible for America to improve.

Larry do you really think your healthcare system , education system and your countries warmongering tendencies are always right?

Are you so really so blind?

Isn't there anything about your country that you think needs improving?
anything at all?
Do you really believe America has nothing to learn from other countries?
America has been at war for each and every year since independence, do you believe America was always right in each and every one of those wars, and its enemies were always wrong?
Do you believe America will always be right in every future war?

If that is the case, you and people like you are the reason America is dying.

Larry And angry Soba
I have a question for you.
If Israel has a war with America who would you side with?

Coupla shirtliftin' shills like Larry anna angri ain't gon' fite nobody.

Dey both gonna stay hidin' under da table das'all!

Like all dem dule citzen Isreels dey trayters to dese United States.

We awl jussa waytin' for Larry get here back from Massa Silverstein cathouse.

We got mitey fine recepshun committee waitin' on ya Larry!

P.S.Larry-Yo'lady say she don' min' leasways if youz get wassa comin' to ya,neither!

arsalan, clearly you don't understand what a false dichotomy In any event, you're a very dumb person.

And on top of that, you're a religious nut who has to bother others with your religion.

Britain deserves you.

junipe
you are wrong. The Larrys of this world do not have dual loyalty. They are loyal only to Israel.
The reason why they praise the American system, is America is a country which doesn't give its citizens free healthcare, but it pays for Israelis to have free healthcare!
It can't afford to house its citizens, but it pays for Jews from all over the world to be housed in what it calls Israel.
The Larrys of this world don't praise America's system due to love for Americans, they do it due to love for Israelis.

So larry if you like the America education system so much. And you like the American welfare system so much. And you like the American healthcare system so much.
Together with liking Israel so much.
Are you in favor of Israelis having to pay for their own education, healthcare and housing the way Americans have to?
So do you want America to stop sending all this money to Israel?

And Larry answer the question. Whose side will you be on if America and Israel go to war?

He will never answer, but we all know that answer. And he knows it!

Go to war over what?

Your question makes you sound like even more of a Neanderthal.

carry on making excuses not to answer.

I have to know more before I can answer your extreme hypothetical.

I'm not a reflexive nationalist so it wouldn't always be the case that I always back the Americans.

I don't think you can understand that, you Muslim nutter of an undetermined race.

Larry So give an example of in what circumstance you will side with America against Israel?

I am someone who believes you will always side with Israel.
I believe that is where your nationalism lies.

Jesus Fucking Christ, I'm not even Jewish! Love the sandwiches, of course! But I've never even been to Israel!

So apparently you think that, because I don't support the conspiracy theories of the conspiraloons at this website, I must have loyalties to Israel.

You sound like someone who read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion with glee.

He never answered my question either. Here it is again, Larry:

Do you disagree in any substantive way with the Bush-Obama Administrations' foreign policy as it pertains to the Middle East/ Central Asia?

Well...?

You know, Larry, I thought back there that you'd dropped some acid and had become really cosmic. Of course, it was Arsalan who had drunk too much Turkish coffee and eaten deluxe fish.

You know, even imperialists are allowed to be funny occasionally.

Come on, man, Bush-Obama, say it, man, sing it. Think of an insect climbing up a wall. Imagine a spider weaving a web. Everything has its place. Nothing is wholly evil. Even a black hole is... heavy. Give me an answer. You'll feel much better when you do. A sense of lightness will fill your being. St Louis and Joan of Arc will apeear to you in a vision by a cave. Honesty is next to cleanliness which is next to... You know you can do it. Just say no. Or yes. Yes. Or no. No or yes. Yes or no. No or yes. Yes or no. No or yes. Yes or no.

I was accusing you of being Loyal to Israel, I wasn't accusing you of being Jewish.
A Jew is someone who believes in the Lord of Abraham, you are someone who blasphemes
against him.
Just as you have blasphemed against the Islamic/Christian Prophet Jesus pbh in your last post.
You are the enemy of God, The Prophets pbh and all of humanity. You support the state of Israel because that state is bad for humanity, you support the american health care system because that
System results in countless millions dying each year due to no health coverage. Larry you have a grudge against humanity and God. I don't know what is the cause of it, may be your father abused you when you were a child.
Or maybe nothing evil happened to you, you just choose the evil path.
I have already told you if you continue on this path you will die a very lonely man. I didn't mention what you have waiting for you after death. And thats even worse.

Larry you don't need to answer my question. Whenever two choices are put towards you I'm sure you will choose the worst of the two.

What with shill infestation and a host of commenters with A.D.D. and other learning difficulties the topic thread rarely gets a look in.

MIND CONTROL:MK-ULTRA,LSD-REMEMBER?

Walter Bowart's classic,Operation Mind Control,from 1978 has an introduction by Richard (Manchurian Candidate)Condon.It's available on-line.

Bowart captures the breadth of the US elite programme to control and eliminate their enemies at home and abroad.No aspect of behavioural control was not explored in their quest to control the memory and will of both individuals and whole masses of people.

Instigated by the secret government with the CIA at the apex and NSA,DIA and its subsidiaries in air force,military and naval intelligence and the civil service providing back-up the mind control programme used operatives across a swathe of government departments,major US corporations,especially certain airlines,oil companies and aerospace contractors.Assets in the US and world press are also on board.

Freeborn
There are two things that make your posts very hard to read.
1:
The insults at the start.
I probably insult Larry a lot more then you do. What makes my insults readable is two things:
A: I use a different insult each time, which makes people want to read on. You just repeat shrill, so people think they have read it before.
B: I try and make them funny so people want to read them. There is nothing funny or unfunny about the word shrill. Most people don't even know what you mean by it?

2:
You don't use full stops and enough. Make your sentences smaller. It would make understanding what you write a lot easier. When writing Scientific papers we are told to make our sentences as small as possible and our paragraphs as big as possible. This makes each point very easy to understand. And encourages people to read to the end. Even though I use this rule for writing papers on Science and Engineering, you should use this rule when writing bad things about Larry and his family. If you don't use this rule, you are only writing to yourself, because you will be the only one who understood what you wrote.

arsalan-I guess you were pissed when you wrote the convoluted jibberish above.

Any deficiencies in syntax on my part are decidedly small beer beside your across-the-board failures in:

(a)using the right terms-the term is "shill" not "shrill"

(b)consistently writing completely off-topic

(c)failing to contribute anything meaningful to discussion

Your notion that my posts make frequent insulting references to Larry of St Louis is quite unfounded.Like most comments of mine the one that precedes yours contains no reference to him whatever.I think most visitors to this blog-aside from you apparently-have worked that the said Larry is not really up to engaging anyone in serious debate.

Comic debate is a possibility with Larry as the venerable juniper's comments seem to suggest!

But serious debate with Larry is a wholly unlikely prospect.

I'm beginning to wonder if you are the same.

What seems more likely to have irked you is the jibe about A.D.D.A symptom of this all too common contemporary condition is your failure to observe in your contributions any rule of relevance whatever.

Just to repeat what has been said elsewhere:the topic is Mind-Control experiments.

If you've got something material to contribute to our knowledge-please do.

If you got some helpful links and references to pass on to us-please do.

If not,I trust this sentence is short enough for you to understand-fuck off!

Top man,Freeborn!

The guy arsalan's only fulfillment in life seems to be to engage airheads like Larry and angri in meaningless exchanges re-vacuous propositions like on which side would they fight in a war between Israel and the US.

You hear more grown-up conversations in the kindergarten sandpit!

juniper answered unequivocally on their behalf-they wouldn't fight for anyone.They'd hide under the table!

That was the high-point of the debate that particular night.

Sorry for being OT,mate!

I think your syntax is just fine by the way!

The Bowart Mind Control book,as Freeborn says,is on-line.

Believe it or not,Jim Keith's classic on the same topic which includes brief reference to Pont-St-Esprit is available at W H Smiths.

As someone who supervises graduate theses I would hazard,judging by Freeborn's posts,that he has studied to the same level,albeit some time ago.

The prose is lucid and demonstrates a consistency of style that is all too rare among the last two decades of student-intake at university level.

Whereas arsalan,I'm afraid,exhibits a rather laboured and ponderous style of writing which is probably acceptable in science departments but would be deemed thoroughly bad style in Faculties like English or Humanities.

The prose is characterised by numerous spelling errors at crucial points-"shrill" for shill for example.The mistake is all the more glaring and careless for it's being crucial to the writer's argument.

Words like the ajective,"scientific",are needlessly capitalized.This is stylistically characteristic of someone either new to the language or poorly schooled at writing in their first language.

arsalan also exhibits a tendency to overestimate his capacity to engage the reader.Whereas Freeborn's writing is consistently compelling-arsalan's is insipid and often or not uniquely uninspired.His claim to be able to use his writing as a vehicle for humour is quite lost on me for one!

The immodesty on arsalan's part is typical of students we encounter today whose exam grades were highly inflated to meet artificial targets set two decades ago.Such students often make it necessary for academics such as myself to spend long hours bringing the quality of their writing up to scratch.

They simply have not read widely enough to feel comfortable writing at length let alone constructing and sustaining meaningful analysis and argument.

Perhaps this is not entirely arsalan's fault as he seems to be getting thoroughly bad tutorial advice on style.

Good writing which is fluent and easy to read juxtaposes short and long sentences appropriately within each paragraph.

If arsalan's writing is to reach a level necessary to write a science paper to degree standard I believe he could do far better than spend late nights engaging with commenters on this message board who are as equally deficient as himself.

No prizes for guessing to whom I refer!

My advice to colleagues involved in admissions is always to prioritize the applications of mature students.Their writing,whether or not they have achieved the required "A" levels,is generally far easier to mark and read than that of the school-leavers of the last two decades.

It's 'adjective', not 'ajective'. Might be an idea to acquaint yourself with the correct usage of 'its' and 'it's'. Remember also to insert a space after full stops and commas.

Jim Keith's "Mind Control World Control" is available on-line too at scribd.com.

Freeborn, tungsten and Apostate one after the other.
I'm starting to agree with what many people here have already said on this issue. MJ if you didn't post that I'm sure
Steelback would have been next.

Well, they all fail to insert spaces after full stops and commas, which may suggest common authorship. Doesn't really matter though. At least he/they often have useful things to say, unlike the Larry.

ABC News decided to run the story on Monday:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/International/book-claims-cia-lsd-experiment-made-french-town/story?id=10171002

MJ yes, Larry and his civil partner are my only enemies here.
Everyone else have their uses, I just hope that they/he start using full stops and commas.
I'm sure they/he has/have important things to say. I would like to read them. But he makes it very hard to, the way he writes them.

No replies yet from any of the multiple shift-working larries to my very simple question. No surprise there. I shall draw my own conclusions. Btw, how is Vauxhall these days? Do you get to go there? Or is it like working in a sweat-shop?

No reply yet from apostate, either. At the risk of getting detention (or the tawse!) for using over-long sentences, as this entity provides erudite and informative critique of the structures of power, I will assume that the entity is anti-imperialist. There is a possibility though that it may be a Dalek.

"Dalek"

LOL!

You adolescent numbskulls!

Still trilling to each other like lovebirds rather than contributing to anyone's knowledge.

Apostate is so so right re-your proclivity for rambling off-topic.

Were I on an admissions board for higher education you plonkers wouldn't get near a lecture theatre.Universities right now are desperate to attract students with self-discipline and initiative who do not require extra tutorials to assist with their cognitive and writing skills.

Other students UK higher education is crying out for are those capable of conducting their own research without too much supervision.

You dickheads fail on all counts.

A tawse it is, then! Hit me with your rhythm-stick, hit me, hit me! Do you do 'school-ma'am'? Or reader (with mortar-board and dividers)? The University of S 'n' M has many erudite post-graduates and fellows, Professor Freeborn. May I have the third degree? Thank you.

PUT -THE - HU-MANS - IN - THE - THOUGHT - CON-CEN-TRATOR!

THEY - WILL - BE - MADE - TO - WRITE - PROPER - COM-MENTS!

"Were I on an admissions"

But you are not. And for good reason. If you were, no one would be able to read anything that comes out of a University.

Freeborn or whatever else you want to call yourself. Just make what you write easier for us to read.
You might think your writing style is best. But you are not writing to yourself.
If you do that you will find others will read what you write, and we might actually agree with you.

1) It could be argued, and has been, that nowadays academia largely is part of the military-industrial complex.

2) A blog is not an academic treatise, it is midway between a conversation and a journalistic article. To think otherwise is to misunderstand the nature of the medium.

3)Humour is an essential part of resistance. Let me share with you a vignette.

A writer under house arrest in a military dictatorship sends out tea and biscuits to the secret policemen who are standing in the summer heat (we are talking subtropical). This is an act of humour and also is an act of resistance. The writer's name is Kishvar Naheed and she is a poet in Pakistan. The time is the 1980s. She did not posit cerebral discourses with the secret policemen, she sent them out a tray of tea and biscuits. She did this every day for several months. They drank all the tea and ate all the biscuits (basic-level secret policemen are paid poorly).

In a world where power displays itself in the clothes of logic and rationality in order to construct itself as the sane and natural order, it is absolutely essential to nurture the possibility of insanity.

This is far more significnat act that gaining admission to MIT or Harvard.

Oh, the last sentence was typed in a dyslexic manner. This is because I do not live in an ivory tower set on the moral high-ground but rather like Chekhov I live in a house in the Wildian gutter where other things happen constantly that demand my attention. Here is the proof-read, copy-edited version of the last sentence, to prove that I am still gazing at the stars.

This is a far more significant act than gaining admission to MIT or Harvard.

TEA - AND - BIS-CUITS - ARE - NOT - PER-MIT-TED!

YOU - WILL - BE - EX-TER-MIN-A-TED!

Ah, but I have a sonic scewdriver. And Billy Piper.

THE - TAR-DIS - HAS - TURNED - PINK - AND - FLOW-ERS - ARE - GROW-ING - OUT - OF - IT!

It's The Master!

THE - PRO-TO-COLS - HAVE - BEEN - DE-TER-MINED - TO - BE - IN-AUTH-EN-TIC! THIS - DOES - NOT - MAT-TER! THE - ME-THOD - IS - VAL-ID - FOR - WORLD - DOM-IN-ATION!

You infantile bunch of dingbats.

To think this country has you morons coming up as our next political class or the constellation of bird-brain Respect/Green/peace activists who will constitute the resistance to said class.

You're a waste of space.

Mind control is another unit on the course you just failed miserably.

Why the shills bother monitoring this site is hard to fathom.The soft left twats who think they've got some monopoly on human suffering,satire,truth and polemical skills(LOL)get up my nose far more than the shills.

Larry and angri are just impossible to take seriously.You off-topic adolescents remind me of students I take great pleasure in denying bare pass marks when they finish their stultifyingly boring predominantly plagiarized apologies for theses.

arsalan is lost up his own arsehole,hence the name.

suhayl thinks he's humorous-LOL!

MJ-the name tells us all we need to know re-the guy's capacity for original writing-it's non-existent.

Soft leftie blogs like this one seem to be choc-full of embarrassingly irritating small-minded adolescents who can't bring themselves to put puberty behind them.

The preposterous idea that they've got some God-given right to pigeon hole or psychoanalyze adult visitors to the site is borne of gauche deficiency in social skills and delusions of adequacy.

Listen you dingbats you are on a different planet to most grown-ups.

Come back Larry,angri,and that guy with crabs-all is forgiven.I take it all back.You guys have got more right to be here-if only for sheer entertainment value-than these ATTENTION DEFICIT DISORDERED know-nothing graduates of the School of Grade Inflation!

May I suggest some bromide, Professor Apostate. Btw, exactly like the larries, you never answered my very simple question. You may use either Vancouver or Harvard referencing if you prefer, but a straightforward 'yes' or 'no' would suffice. Do you remember my very simple question, professor?

You suggest a definition of 'adult visitor'. This, and some other phrases, make the blog sound like a pornographic site. I knew you were into S 'n' M.

"bare pass marks"; "up his own arse"; "up my nose"; "grade inflation"; "gives me great pleasure" - steady yourself, professor. An obsession with tumescence, puberty, orifices and nakedness. It is not ethical to engage in such activities with your students. God has given us a right to psychoanalyse you, professor. Freudian, Jungian, Adlerian, Laingian, In-betweenian. Whatever you prefer, professor.

Apostate

"A hit,a palpable hit."

The grade-inflated ones will never have heard of Osric.In fact,they probably won't have heard of Hamlet-they probably think it's a cigar!

I'm thinking of doing a PhD.Will you be my supervisor? I've already done a lot of research on MPD and I reckon this would be my focus.

It would be encouraging to think the grade-inflated garbage to which you refer would be scurrying around as we speak trying to find out what MPD stands for.

Sadly given their research-averse condition-not to mention the ADD-it's not going to happen.

I've often wondered why the overseas students here rarely post links other visitors can access.

I believe it's because,as well as lacking confidence,they also fear that their links would betray their lack of expertise in the topic.The links would also bring into sharp relief their lack of education.

My guess is that arsehole,suhayl and MJ are using this site to try and improve their English.Just as the shills have nested here to hone their disinfo skills.

Dem forin studens mite be trine improve dare English-but it sure ain't working!

Dat suhayl guy is jussabout da mose unfunny dude i dun come 'cross.He trine imtate dem smart-arse Monty Python guyz or wot?

You reckon he bin on sum kina CIA mine program like Larry dun? Hell if anyone got dat MPD issa Larry anna dissa suhayl guy!

Freeborn et al, you are dominatrix. I love your monologue! It's a like a giant tongue. Perhaps your PhD could be on the subject of S 'n' M, or VHS, or PPE, or PPD, or OEL, or WEL. Don't forget to use Old Mother Hubbard referencing. Whit d'ye mean, English! Dinnae insult me, noo!

The Daleks are multiplying again! Get me a wormhole! Ah, I hear music... Jennifer Juniper...! Donovan Leitch. The Tardis has reached 1967.

Steelback...?

Tungsten...?

Answer my question, professor! Or are you a feartie? Feart ae the Empire ae Osric's tentacles?

DA-LEKS - WILL - MAIN-TAIN - THAT - THE - PRO-TO-COLS - ARE - AUTH-ENT-IC! HU-MANS - WILL - FIGHT - HU-MANS! HU-MANS - WILL - BE - DI-VI-DED!

"I've already done a lot of research on MPD"

That is self-evident. The idiosyncratic punctuation mannerisms are the give-away, together with the fact that your personas always show up at the same time. I'm not complaining, really I'm not. It's quite entertaining really. But it might be a bit more interesting if sometimes you disagreed with yourself. You know, build complexity and texture and get a real debate going. Just a thought.

Professor Prostate, Lieutenant Tongue, Comrade Stalin, Jennifer Juniper and Work-Makes-Freeborn, you are a singular acid trip.

But you display deficiencies in literary style and a very basic weakness in the construction of your characters. Apart from the cod-Deep Southern Jennifer, they have no distinguishing features; it is not enough for Work-Makes-Free to be a student and apostate to be a professor. These deficiencies might be remedied by creating back-stories for each of the characters and by joining a local writers' group. There should be one in your local public library.

THE - ONE - CALLED - A-POS-TATE - IS - IN-TEL-I-GENT - AND - AGG-RES-SIVE! IT - IS - USE-FUL - TO - DA-LEK - PUR-PO-SES! PUT - IT - IN - THE - REP-LIC-AT-OR! REP-LIC-ANTS - SHALL - BE - CALLED - STEAL-BACK - FREE-BORN - TOUNGE-STEN - AND - JEW-NIP-PER!

If you can poach a wild salmon from somewhere, you can use it to make poached salmon.

Add parsley stalks and Oregano, crushed(not ground) peppercorns and a few thin slices of Oranges and Lemon(Both with skin) to a pan of cold water, add your salmon bring the pan slowly to a fast simmer and immediately turn off the heat, leave the salmon in the liquor until totally cold.

Side Dish
Cut up some oyster Mushrooms(Chinese shops sell them) along the length of the gills in to strips.
Dice a small amount of onions in to very small pieces. place in a pan of clarified butter with pepper.
when the butter begins to simmer add the Mushrooms. cry until brown.

Dalek will that salmon recipe be PER-MIT-TED?

Suhayl Saadi
you know what you mentioned about the tea and biscuits, isn't that what Pakistani police do all the time?
They knock on peoples doors or stop cars asking for Tea and biscuits?

But maybe that is the poem?
When they ask for tea and biscuits they are actually asking for a small bribe, i.e money to buy tea and biscuits.
So maybe they were saying, give us some change, and we wont notice you walking in and out of your house.
But instead she actually gave them tea and biscuits but remained in her house?

FISH - CAN - BE - USED - TO - FEED - THE - HU-MANS! ADD - L-S-D - FOR - MIND - CON-TROL!

So Dalek why do you think Billy Piper has a boy's name?

OH - MY - DA-LEK
OH - MY - DA-LEK
OH - MY - DA-LEK CLEM-EN-TINE!

DANCE!
DANCE!
YOU - WILL - OBEY!

Thanks, Arsalan, that looks like a scrumptious recipe! Much appreciated. Don't forget to e-mail me via my website with an address so I can send you that book.

Biscoot, chai? Ah, but these were the SECRET police. They wear occult shalvar-kamises and grow hermeneutic moustaches. They are very secret, you know...

I like this Capitalised dalek; perhaps it is the one who melded with a human and acquired compassion - and a penchant for salmon. A fish a day keeps the dalek away.

Now let us await an absolute monster-of-a-lecture from the Professor.

SEE-YOU-ON-THE-OTHER-SIDE-OF-THE-WORM-HOLE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBSOhODoch0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA6HFSFCfsE

Seriously Suhayl it isn't me this time. I thought it was you, and I mean seriously now.
If it isn't me, and it isn't you who do you think it is?

Do you think it might be, just maybe, David
Tenant?

You mean the Capslock'd dalek? No, it's not me either. Perhaps it's Captain Prostate himself. Strange dude. Or maybe it's Clark. Reveal yourself, O Dalek!

Or even better, Billy Piper!

Actually David T went to the same school as me - though he was years younger and we didn't 'overlap' though he did 'overlap' with my brother. David McDonald is his real name and he's the son of one of the ex-Moderators of the Church of Scotland. Imagine being the lunch-monitor for Dr Who when he was knee-high to a grasshopper!

Did you bully him?

Perish the thought! Otherwise by now I would've been turned into The Master.

I think it's Clark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adk1ujjmguo

Thank you, Dalek. These are hilarious!

Dalek
What do you think of the one named Larry?
And the angry one?

They are cybermen. An inferior species to the daleks.

MIND - CON-TROL - HAS - FAILED!
DRUGGED - HU-MANS - WILL - NOT - OBEY!
SOME - DA-LEKS - HAVE - BEEN - AF-FEC-TED!
THEY - RE-FUSE - TO - EX-TERM-IN-ATE!

Phew! I'm glad about that. Don't forget to get the right kind of oil for those working parts, dalek. I know a good shop.

The video above,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adk1ujjmguo

is by 'The Timelords', AKA KLF, famous for cashing a million pounds of their profits and burning it in a furnace. Considering the conspiracy theme of this thread, I'm surprised that it has fallen to me to mention that the 'KLF' was originally a secret society described in the Illuminatus! trilogy, that archetypal book of conspiracy theories.

That is because you are a dalek. Clark, you are our recently-annointed, resident, capitalised dalek-with-a-soul, am I correct? I was certain it was you.

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