I wonder whether the Israeli foreign ministry spokesman realised the irony of his own words: “I’m sure it was a hasty decision that will be quickly regretted”.

PS. Specifically, any decision to ‘go in shooting’.

Anything, however small, is progress. It will give others the courage to join in. We need to extracate the Zionists entrenced within hebrew society so real hebrews can properly represent their race.

Ishmael,

Zionists are not Hebrews, they are not Jews, they are only racists and Nazis.

And now the whole world has realised this, so the only people who side with them now are other racists and Nazis.

Take a look at their demonstrations and see the skinheaded BNP and EDL waving Israeli flags while giving Nazi salutes.

I share these thoughts.

Let’s put events in chronological sequence:-

1. During and subsequent to 1948 some 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly expelled from what is today Israel. Viewed through the eyes of the law, one may consider this fact conjunctively with fact 2 below.

2. Subsequent to the recognition of the 1967 borders as Israel’s territorial area, Israel has continued with a policy of settling on lands outside that territorial area.

The law might be considered in light of the factual situation at 1 and 2 above:-

The Geneva Convention on the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, known as the Fourth Geneva Convention: -

Article 49: Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive. … The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.

The United Nations Charter, Article 51 reads:-

Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.

Comment

If one were to put the matter in basic human terms, forgetting the legality for a moment, maybe in the most humane way I might ask:-

If you lived on a stretch of land for some ten generations, or more, and inherited your family home there, I assume that you would have some sense of belonging and ownership in respect of the home and the land upon which your home is built.

If someone forcibly expelled you, then in self-defence you would, I assume, retaliate.

The sense of displacement, might, I also assume, lead to a sense of grievance, which if not fairly addressed would extend to violent acts at some stage.

Some personal reflections

As a student at London University, I saw posted one day, a discussion between a Palestinian Professor and a Jewish Professor. Young man that I was then, with dreams of one day being a lawyer, I learned a lesson about civil debate. Both men impressed me with the degree of civility and intellectual clarity with which they addressed the question of the Palestinian/ Israeli conflict. In summary, both articulated two narratives of the histories of both people and their placement in Palestine/Israel.

I listened keenly, made notes, and reflected deeply on what both men said. At a later stage I read a book written by Abba Eban, and again, the clarity of thought and articulate expressions were impressive.

Having said all that, myself a lawyer, these many years later, with a multitude of cases behind me, I ask a fundamental question, noting both the

Israeli ?” Yom Ha’atzmaut (Independence Day)

And

The Palestinain – Nakba Day ( “day of the catastrophe”)

I ask the question ?” what does constitute justice for the Palestinian people if not the right of a homeland which they had before 1948?

The Palestinian intellectual, Edward Said, on a PBS interview in the US, made the observation that the only solution was a one state solution. He raised the issue of the demographics of the region. It seems that the state of Israel, based as it is on an assumption of conferred rights derived from ethnicity, must also transfer that de facto assumption into a de jure format, for the continued functioning of the Jewish state. How does one then give equal rights under the law to non-Jews, and over time maintain Jewish statehood if one does not discriminate as regards the electoral rights of those who are non-Jews in the Jewish state, if it is to be a Jewish majority that is to determine the character and nature of “the Jewish state”?

The action of extending occupation beyond the 1967 borders does not find support under international law.

I recall discussions with white South Africans, when the status quo of Apartheid was all they knew. Resistance, peaceful at first, then of a military nature was the sequence that events unfolded in response to injustice. Any people faced with injustice will over time react. At first the articulation of concern about the wrong, then maybe legal representations about the injustice, then violent responses, then an escalation of the violence if the just redress is not forthcoming. This has been the cycle in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict.

So far as the future of any likely negotiated settlement on the Palestinian/Israeli conflict is concerned, the fact of the US giving blind partisan support to all Israeli actions, does not proffer well for any honest brokerage or for any just peace anytime soon. The recent official US response to the boarding by the IDF of the ships carrying humanitarian aid to Gaza, is sufficiently indicative of why the problem’s intractability is made all the more intractable.

The conscience of the world does speak, when the Swedish dock workers react in protest against the Israeli actions of inflicting collective punishment against the Palestinian people.

Might does not make right and an oppressed and disenfranchised people do have a right to resist injustice.

Aluta continua.

They’re saying the dock action is illegal under the European Court of Human Rights… Was that statement made with or without a tone of extremely heavy irony, I wonder?

“I’m sure it was a hasty decision that will be quickly regretted,” he said.

^is called Psychological projection:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

@Courtenay – talking of civility and clarity in debate – here is a link to a recent interview between Noam Chomsky and an Israeli reporter. His quiet dignity is, as always, impressive. The interviewer’s attitude, on the other hand, sadly reflects the state of paranoia Chomsky talks about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCtYecGbQz8&feature=youtu.be

Well done Sweden. A trade and cultural boycott is beginning to happen, we can only hope it spreads. South Africa is a good model in terms of the impact it can have. At the moment ordinary Israelis can completely ignore the brutality of their own government, happy to believe the propaganda they are fed, and dismiss Palestinians as people who deserve no human rights or justice. Because there is no penalty or comeback for them. However, they do get very stroppy and infuriated at boycotts which bring home to them the disgust of the rest of the world. The best thing about it is that they can’t send in their tinpot crack squads to beat up and shoot people who happen to believe in human rights for all, not just Jewish Israelis. So it is a good area for people to focus their attention on.

“A spokesman for Israel’s foreign ministry said a dock action like the one being urged in Sweden was illegal, according to rulings by the European Court of Human Rights.”

ahahahaha

Israel

accusing someone else

of human rights abuses

ahahahahha

Rerurning to the blockade, it seems to me that a number of things need to happen simultaneously.

1. The blockade to be lifted and the free flow of goods (apart from arms) as well as normal travel permitted to and from Gaza; and Gazans enabled to build an economy.

2. Rockets into Israel( whether imprecisely guided or not) to cease, and Hamas to embrace a de facto position similar to the PLO, which wil make common negotiations on behalf of Palestinians possible again.

3. No one appears to have yet mentioned the Israeli captive Gilad Shalit. Perhaps some feel he’s not important. Perhaps some think ‘So what? There are plenty of Palestinians in Israeli jails that shouldn’t be there.’ But I think that all Palestinian political prisoners should be released, who don’t have blood on their hands, and that Gilad Shalit should be released as well.

Brilliant, Israel complaining about human rights and trying to invoke legality, sticking its nose into other countries business. You couldn’t make it up. Go Sweden. Amazing how touchy a bunch of gangsters are about their ‘rights’. Ha ha ha

Check out Anthony Lawson’s new brace of short films on the parasitic relationship AIPAC and Israel enjoy with their US hosts.

They’re both at YouTube.The first one is called The Orange and the Pea.

No prizes for guessing which one is which!

You idiots are really still making the argument that the Israeli troops opened fire before they boarded. Wow.

Guess those “peace activists” hanging out on the deck thought their bodies could magically avoid bullets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeDh_WZwBX0

You people are just insane.

Larry nothing you will ever say matters, because you will defend Israel no matter what.

Oh,the guy with a brain the size of a pea-CATHOUSE LARRY is back!

Hey,dingbat!

Read re-your sick parasitic apartheid state:

http://nogw.com/israeliatrocities.html#palestine

Wonder how many Palestinian children and babies your hopeless IDF yellow-streak-afflicted bums killed today?

Crawl back in your hole you Zionist ass-wipe!

“Larry nothing you will ever say matters, because you will defend Israel no matter what.”

That’s one of the things that you people have to continue to tell yourselves, and it’s simply not true.

I imagine you’re projecting.

Do you think bin Laden ever did anything wrong?

@ Larry

You ask ‘Do you think bin Laden ever did anything wrong?’

Well, yes, of course he did. What a truly bizarre question!

You can’t seriously believe criticism of Israel’s foreign policy equates to support for Al Qaeda?

Larry,

What part of ‘international waters’ do you not understand.

If I saw special forces goons parasailing down onto my boat in international waters, I would give em what for with whatever I had to hand too. I’m pretty sure you would try defend yourself too. Wouldn’t you ?

Just got word Larry the Zio-shill’s back.

Yo,Cathouse!

The guy that single-handedly managed to convince everyone that 911 WAS an inside job!

Your B’nai B’rith sponsors must have run low on resources to have to turn to you again,dude.Have you still got the other shills in tow? I mean crabs,techni et al.

What a team-you guys have got as much chance of convincing anyone of Israel’s “right to exist” as they have of winning the World Cup!

That job you got working out Larry Silverstein’s cathouse lost you your wife,boy!

of course if british dock workers wanted a similar strike, they would have to be balloted and then the decision would be over turned by the high court so they can’t..

“What part of ‘international waters’ do you not understand.”

Their intent was clear. They were heading into Israeli territory. They couldn’t have made it more clear. Are you seriously suggesting that the ship was going to turn back?

“You can’t seriously believe criticism of Israel’s foreign policy equates to support for Al Qaeda?”

No, that was intended solely for Arsalan, who’s the local Muslim nutjob.

I have issues with Israeli foreign policy.

As usual with you people, you’re reading too much into what I wrote.

@ Louise,

Thanks for the link to the Chomsky interview. My comments are:-

The interviewer of Chomsky is trying to do the ?” ‘but there are other bad guys in the world’ ?” debate trick. In other words, by trying to shift the focus to other bad actions in the world ?” then why criticise the wrong at hand done by Israel.

Poor misunderstood Israel, so let us:-

1. Forget about the expansions beyond the 1967 boundaries.

2. When it comes on to the illegal occupation, she tries to deflect by saying that it is “a complex situation ?” not black and white.”

3. On international law ?” she fails to show any willingness to refer to this objective standard.

She moves through the interview on the assumption of some sort of absolute position of Israeli right. Through my eyes, if we can’t come back to some sort of rational basis for objective reference, then all is lost.

How can I debate, or rationally deal with, a person who is convinced that God gave some absolute right to do a particular act? In fairness, the interviewer did not go that far, but there was a pervasive sense of Israeli self-righteousness throughout the interview. She throws international law out the window, so that then leaves the subjective standard to judge what the state actor does ?” always justifiable ex post facto without any reference to any consistent rational legal measure. Once the state actor does not have any point of consistent logical reference to determine the legitimacy, or illegitimacy of the action, then anything goes ?” as we see with the piracy against the humanitarian aid ships.

But, is it not the supreme irony to see the same Israel try to reply on the provisions of the European Convention on Human Rights, while at the same time blatantly flouting the provisions of the UN Charter and other provisions of international law?

@ Larry

Ah okay, Larry. But to be fair (if this time your ‘you people’ includes me) my confusion was due to the ‘you idiots’ and ‘you people’ in your posts – it wasn’t apparent that your question was aimed at only one specific poster.

@ Courtenay

Yes indeed. Her assumptions were blatant throughout. It was a shame Chomsky didn’t quite get the chance to challenge the ‘we can agree that it’s not black and white…’ fudge. That was possibly the only one that got away though.

Abe Rene, You say: ” I think that all Palestinian political prisoners should be released, who don’t have blood on their hands, and that Gilad Shalit should be released as well.” You seem to imply (innocently I’m sure) that Galid Shalit has no blood on his hands. I doubt that many Palistinians see it that way. You must consider the media propaganda. Practically everyone in the world will have heard the name Gilad Shalit and what a lovely young man he is (which may be true) but hardly anyone will be able to name Palestinians (some of them children) who have, effectivly, been kidnapped by the IDF.

I agree that all political prisoners should be released but there are hundreds of these prisoners in Israeli jails. They are there because some of them throw stones at tanks and others support a Hamas government (under its political wing). Many of them are actually members of the Palestinian government, elected properly by voters, but because they are Hamas MPs they were imprisoned for belonging to a (US/Israel definition of) “terrorist organization”. I do not support Hamas ideology but they did win a fair and properly conducted election. The US and Israel did not anticipate a Hamas win, which is why the political wing of Hamas was allowed to participate as a legitimate political party at that time. When Hamas won, democracy was cancelled. All the political prisoners in Israel/Palestine are victims (including Gilad Shalit) of Zionism and the EU/US/Israel foreign policy.

Regards.

@ Larry

‘I have issues with Israeli foreign policy.

As usual with you people, you’re reading too much into what I wrote.’

Would you care to share ?, or just stand on the sidelines shouting abuse at all and sundry as usual ?

Larry so was it okay for the Israelis to murder Americana Serviceman aboard the USS liberty in international waters. Did you applaud you country men being shot up by your allies? Why don’t you answer you dumb Bastard. Do you how many were killed or wounded. Are you related to Jonathan Pollard is he your Hero? Why did they lock him up?

There’s a BBC account of the attack on the Liberty available on Google video (‘Dead in the Water’)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3319663041501647311&hl=en#

The Israelis’ explanation of how they mistook an American ship traveling at 2-3 knots for an Egyptian ship traveling at 25-30 knots is quite entertaining, particularly when you hear how the Israelis started jamming American, not Egyptian, radio frequencies just before they started dropping napalm on the ship’s decks…

It’s a shame more Americans don’t know about the Liberty attack, as some of them might get round to asking why they’ve been subsidising this sort of thing through billions of dollars of aid every year. Aid to a country with a GDP per capita somewhere between Italy and New Zealand

and before some apologist for premeditated murder on the high seas tries to blow off the previous link with some evasive waffle about pissant jealous Brits here’s the link to the Liberty Veterans web page

http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/

…not a red coat in sight

Brutaly???? The “peaceniks” passangers offered the soldiers their rope climb up the deck of ship.

it was legal action of Israel. Keep your heart well, Europans, because islamization is at your door step.

Arsalan; Anti Semites losing their head while at pressure. It’s nice to see the British Muslims at pressure.Arsalan, check your blood pressure. “Zionists are not Jews”? So, do Terrorists not Muslims? I wonder !!!!

Courtenay Barnett;

* Is all that gibberish ‘history’ of the conflict you c&p is your way to “Fight for Peace” ? Or maybe your statement “For Peace Loving Peoples of the World”?

The flotilla made it clear they weren’t going to turn back as they said here (along with making a jibe about Auschwitz):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dE2StbDL_Q&feature=player_embedded

Ian M; It’s not Sweden Yet. Only some hundreds stupid “working class” dumb mob. No any “trade and cultural boycott is beginning to happen”, because if you will be devoted to your promise to boycott Israel’s goods you will have to pull out from your computer all the devises that enable you to attack those who created them!!!!

Law breakers, even if they call themselves ‘peace activists’, are not allowed breaking the law. They better write down their False-tinian proPALganda on their blogs!

I would just like to say that the very best Foreign Ambassador I have ever met in my Life is Spanish.

She not only makes friends with absolutely everyone in her gorgeous authentic Spanish accent

Learning English as she goes along making new friends…

But she knows our friends so well, that she knows what our friends are thinking of and getting very close to do doing…

And = well she is the fastest cleverest ambassador I have ever come across

Craig Murray does quite well too…

His Words Are All Over The World.

I do notice these things

I will go back to my other computer now and not annoy you further.

Love & Peace,

Tony

Some people never cease to amaze me about their kindness, intelligence, and self sacrifice for others. They don’t think about themselves, they just do the good thing that needs to be done because they could never even think of not doing it.

How’s Rachel Corrie?

I mean fucking hell, that took some balls

Tony

On the USS Liberty:

http://www.thelibertyincident.com/index.html

tsk tsk

you’ll have to better than anonymously linking to that shonky pro-Israeli snow job on the Liberty attack

there are quite a few reviews on Amazon that explain, great detail, why it stinks…

http://www.amazon.com/Liberty-Incident-J-Cristol/product-reviews/1574885367/ref=cm_cr_pr_hist_1?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&filterBy=addOneStar

just to repeat, the Liberty’s survivors own site is here…

http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/

…and here’s a link explaining how the photo on the front of that snow job of a book, supposedly taken during the Israeli attack on the Liberty, was faked

http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/essays/guncameracristol.html

the faking was, of course, necessary because the Liberty was plastered with US ID, as any genuine Israeli gun camera footage from the attack would have shown

Courtenay Barnett; Does the United Nations Charter applies, from all state and communities in the world, only to Israel?

Any way, rewriting history won’t help your cause! You say: “700,000 Palestinians were forcibly expelled from what is today Israel.” Let leave aside the Real numbers of fleeing Arabs, they sure WEREN’T Expelled. Approximately 620,000 Arabs, encouraged by their leaders to leave, fled from what is now Israel between April and December, 1948. The Arab leaders promised them that they would soon be able to return following Israel’s destruction. In some cases the Jews, including Israel’s first Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, urged the Arabs to remain, promising that they would not be harmed. Those who remained became full and equal citizens of Israel, while those who chose to leave went to neighboring Arab states. Instead of welcoming their Arab brothers, and integrating them into the mainstream of their societies, the Arab states kept them in squalid refugee camps and used these Palestinians refugees as political pawns in their fight against Israel.

http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/

AbeBird’s conclusion “they sure WEREN’T Expelled” is not supported by the consensus among historians:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_1948_Palestinian_exodus

Also, the description “full and equal citizens” is incorrect:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

Hilarious that you can’t stop mentioning the USS Liberty ?” like 911, all of your arguments have been answered.

Can anyone answer why the IDF soldiers didn’t shoot anyone else on any of the other boats, including the Rachel Corrie?

http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/essays/guncameracristol.html

the bit where the apologist for the Israeli slaughter of 34 American servicemen has airbrushed out the tug boat and tried to make it look like a bow wave is particularly damning, rather than hilarious

“Can anyone answer…?”

Yes.

See Juan Cole’s blog.

Not good enough.

So, AbeBird, even if one accepts your analysis – and I don’t, I think it’s being used in a propagandistic manner, drawing-on selected sources and selected quotes and ignoring many others, so that only a part of the picture is revealed rather than the whole; this is not to say there is not some truth in some of it, esp. the criticism of the neighbouring Arab regimes, with which I entirely agree – does this justify the continued oppression of the Palestinians and the denial of their human rights?

Many Jewish people in the world didn’t actually want a ‘Jewish State’ until the 1940s and the Holocaust of Jews committed by states and peoples in Central and Eastern Europe, yet no-one now would doubt the strong feelings of nationalism which many Israelis feel. One could quote numerous pieces of evidence re. this process, too. Someone mentioned Einstein.

Personally, I am suspicious all nationalism (though I acknowledge that as with certain anti-colonial and Scottish nationalisms, it can be a progressive force at times, for a time). But it is inaccurate to support – and not question – one, while disavowing the existence of the other.

Anyway, the old Golda Meir thing won’t work anymore; wake-up, Palestinians exist and they call themselves Palestinians and the UN has recognised this for 35 years or more. At its heart, then, yours is a pointless, dead argument.

AbeBird,

Zionists are Capo, not Jews.

For the rest of you, Capo were Nazis of Jewish descent. They treated real jews worse than the other Nazis.

Zionists sided with Nazi Germany, because genocide was the only way they could think of, of forcing Jews to go to the bastard state they were trying to create.

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/holocaust.htm

The lesson of the Liberty attack-and don’t forget one of the veterans fell into Israeli hands after the flotilla massacre-is the lengths Israel knows it can go in relation to its US sponsors.

Former BBC journalist,Alan Hart,who’s just finished a trilogy on Zionism,go to his website, was in the region in 1967 covering the Six Day War.He believes that the US did not believe the undertakings the Iraelis had given not to broaden their war against Egypt by attacking Jordan and Syria as well.

The US had advance knowledge naturally of the Israeli plan to launch a pre-emptive attack on Egypt.

Thus the most sophisticated spy satellite ship the US Navy had was pressed into servive in the Eastern Mediterranean.

When the attack on the ship begun and alerted US ships in the zone were on their way to defend it and rescue survivors from the protracted Israeli assault-which included the prolific use of napalm-LBJ and MacNamera recalled those ships not once-but three times.

They were willing to see those US seamen and their ship go to bottom of the ocean rather than admit to the Israeli betrayal to which they had fallen prey.

The parasitic Rothschild/Lobby apparatus wielded such power then as now within the US administration that the decision had been taken to cover up the whole event.

Most readers will be aware that both Jordan and Syria WERE subsequently attacked by Israel and ceded the West Bank and Gaza to Greater Israel.

When Sharon infamously dismissed the very idea that the US should rein in Israel he was quite serious about the extent to which the masonic statelet (with its links to the CFR,elite policy groups and control of Congress) could easily brush aside the US if it had the temerity to defy Israel’s will.

Seen in conjunction with various other racial supremacist statements made by Israeli leaders since 1948 no-one should be in any doubt that Israel sees the attack on other regional sovereign states leading to WW3 as a price worth paying.

Did anyone make the comparison with the “kidnapping” of British Navy “hostages” in ‘disputed’ waters by Iran in 2007 yet? Our Dutch minister of foreign affairs Maxime Verhagen publically called it “an act of state terrorism” (and so did the EU he added). No need to mention what the press made of it.

http://deisraellobby.blogspot.com/2010/06/israel-zelfverdediging-iran.html (Dutch)

As far as I am aware there has not been much attempt in the British media to cover the extent of Turkey’s outrage at the flotilla massacre.

To rectify that here’s PM Erdogan’s denunciation of the massacre which he links with the terrorist attack on the Turkish Iskenderun naval base that occurred almost simultaneously.

http://brianakira.wordpress.com/

Curiously enough Seymour Hersh is one of many reporters who’ve linked the PKK and related Kurdish militia groups with Israeli/US destabilization ops in Iran as well as Turkey.

http://todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-212267-suspicion-growing-about-possible-link-between-pkk-and-israel.html

No doubt about the Anglo-US synarchy

plans for a new major conflagration.

“Former BBC journalist,Alan Hart…”

…is crazy:

http://hurryupharry.org/2010/05/27/911-the-troof-is-out-there/

Hello Craig,

I love you site, so far the best read since this terrorism began.

I don’t know if any one is aware of this but on friday in Dublin, Ireland. I was part of a small group of protesters that “blockaded” the Zionist Entity Embassy.

The Zionist in there usual fashion said “Due to an illegal violent demonstration the Embassy will not open today as usual.”

http://twitter.com/IsraelIE

“A Garda spokesman said the protests were peaceful, no arrests had been made and that the situation was being monitored.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0604/breaking25.html

Well its a bank holiday here on monday but we shall continue our “blockade” on tuesday.

I mean if the zionist can “blockade” Gaza for fear of cement getting to hamas, then well I think we are justified in thinking the zionist may try and commit more passport fraud at the embassy.

Steve

“I was part of a small group of protesters that “blockaded” the Zionist Entity Embassy.”

Dear me! It’s getting more and more like Iranian State News.

Bloody hell,,, the Zionists must be getting desperate or we must be doing something very right. Have you counted the number for trolls here?

We usually just have one or two. maximum which we ever had is three. Look at all the new ones who have come since the genocide on the boat!

doug scorgie: I think we may agree quite a bit. People don’t deserve to be jailed simply for belonging to a political organisation, especially one which has been allowed to take part in an election. Nor should stone-throwers be regarded in the same light as serious criminals. There appear as you say to be hundreds wrongly deprived of liberty, who have not taken life, (including those kidnapped by the IDF) and Israel should release the lot, as far as I am concerned.

Gilad Shalit is a soldier, and I don’t regard his use of a weapon, even if he did so under orders, in the same light as someone who plants a bomb in a cafe. So he should gain freedom as well, as I see it.

Remember I made that prediction at the very start of this episode? It proved my point, really. Some people on these threads do seem to want to discuss things, but most of the very obviously pro-Israel ones clearly do not. And of course, Old Goriot is still with us, too.

Whatever one says about the Israelis one cannot dispute that when it comes to respect for human rights & international law they are thousands of times ahead of the Nazi scum who attacked Yugoslavia. It is a matter of record that the number of people killed in the entire Gaza war, overwhelmingly combatants, is less than the number of civilians, in nominal peacetime, dissected while alive, by NATO “police” (formerly the KLA) under NATO authority to steal their body organs.

It seems clear that anybody who complains more about the Israelis, let alone who supports racist & pro-Nazi parties, such as the LibDems responsible for such atrocities, unmatched even by Mr Hitler, cannot, under any circumstances claim to be motivated by concern for human rights.

Perhaps if the author here disagrees he will be able to explain.

Of what relevance has this, Neil Craig?

The KLA is an organised crime operation in alliance with, and facilitated by, NATO. The Israeli state routinely engages in oppression, terrorism and murder. Why would we not be against both? I am against both. I am against murder and oppression and also against organised crime which also commits murder and opporession.

In fact, it is highly likely that the big Israeli organised crime operations – and they are very important players in that world and so in the world as a whole – do very good business with the KLA and the N’Drangheta and the Camorra and Arab billionaires, the Russian mafia, etc., etc. So do the Serbian crime syndicates. And the Croatian. And the Bosnian. And the Marseille-based ones. And the…

Is it not the case that you have genuine pro-Serbian, and also pro-Israeli, sympathies? If you do, why don’t you just come out and say so? And then tell us why.

But don’t keep giving us these tabloid stories which seem the equivalent of ‘Huns eating Belgian babies’/ ‘Iraqi soldiers chucking Kuwaiti babies out of incubators’, etc. I’m not saying the KLA wouldn’t do the sorts of things of which you accuse them; they, like all of their criminal brethren, are indeed capable of anything; but a reasoned analysis, perhaps, of Balkan nationalism/ tribalism and of why the West (esp. Germany, the UK and the USA) and Russia decided that Yugoslavia would be broken-up and of why as a consequence of all of these factors, (the by then late) Tito’s Yugoslavia broke apart in a very bloody manner specifically in the early 1990s.

Otherwise, you just end-up coming across as you having it in for people who are mostly Muslim.

Sorry, but that’s how it comes across, Neil.