Occupy London

by craig on October 31, 2011 7:49 am in Uncategorized

I thought I might wander down to Occupy London and chat to them about the lessons I feel might be drawn from my life experience working for government. I particularly wanted to outline the seamless link between western government promotion of dictatorships and terrible human rights abuses abroad, the undertaking of illegal wars for resources and the sucking up of internal resources in our country for the benefit of the wealthy.

I then want to relate that to the narrowing of the space of debate for legitimate political debate or action. Whether you are against the war in Afghanistan or against the bank bailouts, you are at the very least part of a very large minority in the country, yet none of the established political parties will represent you and your viewpoint is virtually never given a media airing.

Can anyone let me know how this idea to give a talk might work in practice? I haven’t been invited and I am not sure if they have any facility for listening to guest speakers, and if so if they would have any interest in listening to me.

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  1. I’m not sure how this would work but I’ve sent the link on Twitter to @OccupyLSX with a link to @CraigMurrayOrg as well – they may reply to your Twitter feed. Hope this helps. I have no connection but am following from a distance.

  2. i think The One Show, took an investmaent banker round to occupy london campsite, who gave a talk & invited questions from them, try that Craig

  3. You could contact Richard Murphy (@RichardJMurphy) who was a guest speaker at Occupy London on the first Saturday of the occupation – he should have contact details.

  4. Kathz

    Thanks. That’s very kind of you. I am ashamed to say that while we have linked the blog to twitter to automatically notify new blog posts, I have no idea how to find an incoming twitter message. Can any of the moderators help?

  5. Good on you Craig.
    .
    Those at at St Paul’s will have heard this morning that Barclays Bank’s diamond geezer Bob Diamond who was paid £63 million in 2009
    http://www.topnews.in/barclays-pay-63-million-its-president-bob-diamond-2256839
    has raked in profits of £2 billion to date for this year.
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    Obscene? Definitely.
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    {http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/8857696/Barclays-and-RBS-to-announce-2bn-profits.html}

  6. We could all try using this tactic. Obomber’s page was swamped with 90,000 messages from the Tunisians.
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    @myriamdridi
    Myriam Dridi After #TrollingObama and #TrollingSarkozy, Tunisians are #TrollingNetanyahu now #Hilarant#Haha
    Oct 30 via webFavoriteRetweetReply

  7. I should take along a big handkerchief or something in case the filth decide to pepper-spray you.

  8. Soon the protest camp will go off the news agenda as it will no longer be news and with winter on the way many will go home and it will be forgotten about. Not enough people are personally affected yet to be bothered, but give it time….

  9. Go to Twitter.com and search on @craigmurrayorg – these responses so far:

    humbleetc David Cullen
    @
    @CraigMurrayOrg …around for advice about how to go about it, what’s best time, what’s appropriate, how to let people know it’s happening
    1 minute ago
    »
    David Cullen
    humbleetc David Cullen
    @
    @CraigMurrayOrg Think it’s quite an anarchic space (in the non-parjorative sense), so you can probably just organise it, but just ask….
    2 minutes ago
    »
    Martin O’Neill
    DrNostromo Martin O’Neill
    @
    @CraigMurrayOrg Just go and talk to some of the group, I’m sure they would be interested in what you have to say. I visited last week.
    1 hour ago
    »
    Martin Coxall
    Grabcocque Martin Coxall
    @
    @CraigMurrayOrg One of the things that most puzzles me about them is the way they seem content only to speak to themselves.

    Busy day so can’t do more. With any luck someone will find their way to the blog and leave a message.

  10. And how many of us here do not have accounts with a highly profitable bank?

    Strikes me a few account transfers would be a good idea, either into the Co-op Bank or a genuine building society. Pay by cash wherever possible; every non-cash transaction gives a rakeoff to a bank. STOP BUYING STUFF.

  11. Komodo, I agree. I’ve been with the Co-op for nearly 30 years and apart from an incident in France when I had to go into a bank because my card did not work I’ve had no real problems. The thing that appeals to me most is its policy on ethical investment and that’s why I will not be changing banks for the immediate future.

  12. Afraid to say that they do not support the boycott of Israeli goods produced on stolen Palestinian land John and are still stocking them in their increasingly large supermarket chain. ‘Goud with foud’ as you know.

  13. You must talk to them Craig, I’m sure you could arange it. I’m sure you won’t run into anybody from what is loosely termed as opposition at St. pauls.

    I think a talk about the three political parties, their allegiances with high finance, Adam Werrity and Liam Fox plans for more wars, and why one should organise for a concerted Independent alternative at the next election should go down well. I hope that you can speak freely.

    I’m a little immobilised at present, so can’t join you, as much as I would like to, my ‘Beckham’ will keep me at home for the next 4-8weeks.
    Whatever you do, charge your battery and record it on your phone, or such like, so you can make a podcast from it.

  14. The Coop sponsors New Labour MPs – hardly an ethical investment.
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    @Ingo
    “Independent alternative”
    Suggest you call the new party ‘None of the above”

  15. Partially true, Mary; the Co removed W. Bank settlement produce in 2009, but retains Golan Heights products, also “anonymous” goods from major Israeli distribution chains. However, unlike M&S, Sainsbury or Tesco, you can easily become a member of the Co-op, and obtain representation in policy decisions.
    And as Israeli products are very difficult to avoid, in any food outlet, you can simply not buy them.

  16. The Co-op sponsors Labour MP’s? True, but so what? It is one of the few surviving mechanisms of the original workers’ movement. Which is what Labour needs, as a party, to rediscover. Anyway, your choice. The Diamonds and Goodwins need your support. I believe there are some nice hedge funds needing your support, too. You can bet on the collapse of Western civilisation there, if you like.

  17. Just go down there! You wont understand it until you do. It’s not a hierarchal system on purpose. If they have organized like they are in the US, they’ll all vote on whether they should let you speak,then you can talk. I think they probably know most of this – like expecting things to change by voting is like wishing up a pipe. It’s just not going to get the job done letting politicians set the terms oor parameters of the debate. if it worked no one would be in the street.

  18. Parah

    Thanks. I should make plain I am not claiming greater wisdom, just some knowledge to share of what it looks like inside the belly of the beast.

  19. Why not do what Gerald Celente did , just take a camera and go walk about http://www.youtube.com/user/GeraldCelenteChannel#p/u/1/HCmhROfAiH8

    as an aside did you read this

    http://www.bis.org/review/r111026a.pdf?frames=0

    gives some interesting figures

  20. Go here: http://twitter.com/#!/CraigMurrayOrg
    Login = mucho importante!
    click on home
    click on mentions

    click on the individual messages to see the replies or conversations, they should fly out in a panel to the right.

    twitter becomes useful when you FOLLOW people, so that when you go to your home page you see their tweets listed in the timeline.
    It’s like an RSS feed. Just add them..
    @rattlecans is a good person to follow, #ukuncut or #occupyLSX are tags and you can use them for searches.
    It’s not too much of a learning curve, you should really try it. it’s fun. You should keep another tab open to the help page to make it easy on yourself.

  21. Oh, but you do have greater wisdom and it would be wonderful for you to go down there and offer your body as well. I think if you would be very valuable for tactical planning ideas or guidance. Your participation can only make it stronger, raise spirits and attract more attention. Are they leading the news with the protests? They are here now. I’m in Oakland so the news really gives me a chuckle. The reporters are giving the mayor Jean Quan admonitions that the police actions are only making the protest grow bigger!

    BTW, i follow you on twitter. My handle is shekissesfrogs

  22. Try writing to them Komodo and see the mealy mouthed response you get. ….We must give our members choice blah blah….
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    All I could find in my e-mail files
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    Co-op

    Despite the Co-operative family of businesses’ ethical image, the shelves of its supermarkets and high street stores have been found to carry Israeli products, including Carmel mangoes, sweet potatoes, peppers, sweet peppers (grown by Sulat), cherry tomatoes, herbs, passion fruit, Jaffa oranges and own brand tinned grapefruit.
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    The Co-op has faced pickets and repeated representations from consumers and campaigners over its sale of produce from illegal settlements and Israeli produce. In the last year, criticism has centred around the sale of settlement produce. For example, campaigners attended the Co-operative Group South East Region General Meeting in January 2008 and raised concerns about the ethics of selling settlement produce. The Co-op board undertook to look into conditions on settlement farms. Throughout the year, the issue was raised with Co-op management by members of the Co-op and its customers.

    On the 5th January 2009 Len Wardle, Co-operative Group chair, wrote:
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    “The Co-operative Group board has decided to suspend sourcing products from illegal West Bank settlements. However, we will continue to trade with Israel and will seek to develop trading links with Palestinian farmers. The Co-operative Group only rarely curtails trade with particular countries or regions. However, in the case of the illegal settlement in the Israeli controlled occupied territories, it has proven to be all but impossible to ensure that supplies derived from the region are not perpetuating injustice and unfair terms of trade. We will no longer source dates, grapes and a number of herbs from the illegal West Bank settlements and will be phasing out the use of similar items from our own brand products.”
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    In making this statement, the Co-op is the first store to base its reasons for ceasing the sale of settlement goods on ethical concerns. The statement is weaker in some ways than that of M&S, but only in that it precludes the sale of West Bank goods and not produce from the Golan Heights. It is also unclear whether the Co-op’s definition of the West Bank includes East Jerusalem. Moreover, the Co-operative Group does not make any assurance that it will not sell products in its stores supplied by companies which source products from both the settlements and 1948 Israel, such as Hadiklaim, M-Tex and Carmel Agrexco.
    .
    In November 2008, YNet claimed that the Co-op had met with the Co-op Israel (a separate organisation) and agreed to open a chain of kosher supermarkets which will be equally owned by Co-op Israel and the UK Co-op. The UK Co-op has refuted this claim but admitted that a meeting took place with Co-op Israel.
    .
    On 16th February, 2009, students at the University of Aberdeen protested at the university’s Elphinstone Hall, where Co-op members were meeting, to pressure the food retailer to ban all Israeli products from its stores. A Co-op representative at the meeting said a motion on the subject of Israeli goods was due to be discussed by the organisation’s executive.

    Address:
    The Co-operative Group
    Customer Relations
    Freepost MR9473
    Manchester
    Email: customer.relations@co-op.co.uk

  23. yes, the whole point about Occupy London is that it’s non-hierarchical. Assange turned up, with press in tow, and they had a vote on whether he should speak (they agreed). Compared with the peace movement, I think they are doing extremely well, tactically and morally. The Express and Star are demonising them today (warning of ‘bloodshed’ as though it is a threat from the protesters rather than a threat to them). But the Telegraph comments pages have been continually full of support. Surely anyone should go down and if they want to speak, ask to speak – probably via the media tent.

  24. Yes, that’s on their website too, Mary. Anyway, that’s up to you. The main advantage of the Co for me is that it isn’t Tesco. And its bank isn’t HSBC. Many financiers are of the opinion that the best place for your savings is a sock, anyway.
    From the Co’s website, again (under Ethical Policy)
    “We will not finance organisations that impede access to basic human necessities, eg safe drinking water or vital medicines.”
    That would seem to include the Israeli government, maybe it’s worth pushing a little harder.
    As I said, it’s up to you. It’s not perfect, but it is better than handing a multinational kleptocorporation a piece of the action every time you pay a bill. Many financiers are of the opinion that these days the best place for your savings is a sock, anyway.

  25. English Heritage are closing down freedom of expression for this playwright. They do not like any reference to the words Nazi or Jew.
    .
    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/57265/halloween-play-cancelled-nazi-references-inappropriate

  26. I see Princess Anne’s husband Tim Laurence has been found some nice fruitful niches.
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    http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/about/who-we-are/how-we-are-run/commission/biographies-of-members/

  27. Looks to me as if he dragged in a gratuitous and irrelevant reference to the Holocaust (a la BBC, almost daily) and EH binned it. Good.

  28. While the system of turning up and then waiting while there is a discussion on whether to hear you sounds very good, when you live 80 miles away it could result in a fruitless expeniture of resource if the answer were no. There are advantages to the old fashioned idea of knowing in advance if you are welcome!

  29. Can anyone let me know how this idea to give a talk might work in practice? I haven’t been invited and I am not sure if they have any facility for listening to guest speakers, and if so if they would have any interest in listening to me.

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    I am sure none of them have been invited either so I don’t see what would be the problem of turning up unless it has all gone a bit Lord of the Flies.
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    Aren’t they in a public place? I think you should just turn up; it’s a free country.

  30. It is better to travel hopefully than to arrive.

    And you will be able to talk to the individuals, whether or not you harangue the masses…

  31. By now they should know that you’d love to come and speak.

    BTW. Has anybody got any experience of this forum?
    http://www.politic.co.uk/forum.php

    They are discussing the occupy movement on top of their list of threads.

  32. I am sure you will be welcomed Craig and of course everyone should bank with the CO-OP I have been doing for over 40 years and it is the Co-op party that supports some Labour MPs.

  33. Mary: I enjoyed the quote from Bournemouth’s council leader:
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    “We will go to any length necessary to make sure people’s weddings are not disrupted”
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    Clearly a man of vision.

  34. Craig, it is a shame that you would consider the trip fruitless if you were unable to address the crowd. It might actually be better not to make a speech the first time. You could treat the visit as a learning exercise. Arrange to go back in a couple of days. Your speech will be better and it’ll give you time to arrange for someone with a decent camcorder to be there so you can put it on youTube.

  35. It is the LSE chairman who is irresponsible, as it is he who supports the rejection by Osborne and Cameron of a tobin tax, some paltry 0.1% on all financial trans actions. He onviously is also hell bent on loosing EU business by rejecting to join.

    These notions harking back to the bluerinse ideals of the 1980’s are so midlife crisis last Millenium that its almsot not worth discussing it with them. They have economists coming out of their sweat glands, if they so wish, and still they do not understand that the changes in the EU concern us, our markets and to reject more involvement at the centre, re negotiate a new Europe that is more equal to its citizens, they’ve lost the plot alltogether.

    Can they not see that our history has always been connected, from the Hanse of the 14th. century to now? would they like to see us going back to the EU of the 1950’s? why are they jeopardising their markets?

  36. Hi Craig, I see your point about living 80 miles away. I live even further away (not that anyone would want to hear me talk lol).

    You may like to visit here and join up, some of the London members are directly involved in the camps: http://www.urban75.net/forums/

    Look for the threads in: protest, direct action and demos

    Obviously I can’t speak for them, but it may be a good starting point.

  37. “@CraigMurrayOrg”
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    just do a search on twitter for CraigMurrayOrg and you will get all tweets on one page.

  38. MJ

    I want to give a talk rather than a speech, and have a discussion. I [resume they have some sort of forum space,

  39. Here’s the present CEO of the LSE on the subject of regulation in 2002:
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    http://www.ippr.org/uploadedFiles/projects/GibsonSmihtpapernfps.pdf
    .
    “Now regulation: How do regulatory systems affect risk and its management?
    Of course all companies operate within some kind of regulatory framework and
    necessarily so. I was 30 years at BP and saw environmental and safety
    regulations increase dramatically and worldwide during that period and we cooperated
    with that process. But economic regulation is a rather different matter.
    The fact is such regulatory systems, which are but an approximation of the basic
    forces of competitive capital markets, are inherently risky for companies.
    Certainly far more risky than is generally understood.
    In effect, they impose average conditions on individual companies which virtually
    never experience average circumstances. Market-based companies adjust their
    prices, plans, and costs in constant real time responses to real world changes
    which occur, literally, daily. This is quite unlike the 5-year, fixed-price, RPI -x
    contracts imposed by regulators. By definition these are inflexible.
    One result of this process in the UK has been to drive companies to being
    average performers of medium to small size. Such companies are intrinsically at
    risk of both failure and take over. In essence, while the UK regulatory system
    has tended to concentrate on monopoly and competition issues, it has
    simultaneously ensured that the regulated companies are unable to compete with
    their international counterparts or flourish under adverse circumstances.”

    .
    Eh? That sounds suspiciously like a complaint about too much regulation to me. And I can’t find him objecting to the massive deregulation which enabled the LSE to take its present form, back in 1986. Indeed, the chorus of money men pleading for effective government regulation of their semi-criminal activities has been conspicuous by its complete absence from the record.

  40. Craig I am phoning my contact in the ‘occupy’ group and will give you precise details of where to go and who to contact. Thankyou.

  41. The Dean of St Paul’s Grahame Knowles has resigned. Position untenable. You can say that again.

  42. Craig

    At the moment according to livestream, occupylsx have 48hrs to get out before a court action. I have been advised the group is busy with a meeting inside St Pauls and another small group is investigating other places. Bit hectic right now.

  43. @Craig: Talks or lectures at OccupyLSX can be held at “Tent City University”, a space on the pavement outside Starbucks. The current schedule is available at:
    .
    http://tentcityuniversity.occupylsx.org/
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    The site features an event calendar, and an online form to submit session proposals.
    .
    You can also give a message of support via the PA at the General Assembly outside the cathedral steps before the close of the meeting. Speakers have included staff from St Pauls, representatives of various organizations, international campaigners, etc. Comments have to be kept short though (only a minute or two).
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    BTW, don’t take much notice of the 48hr demand. It can’t be enforced without court action. The GA may decide to comply voluntarily, but I don’t think it’s likely. Monitor the twitter feeds after the GA meetings just in case.

  44. Craig I’m sure Mark’s info is correct, but isn’t there something to be said for just turning up, as being unannounced you might get a better picture of what’s really going on?

    Cheers

  45. PS. You can also propose an event by email: tentcityuniversity@gmail.com

  46. Very encouraging that the Dean has resigned. And Rowan Williams beginning to get involved. I think this movement is turning into something.

  47. The announcement was made by Nicholas Cottam, a retired high up from HM Forces. The first and the second estate are neatly intertwined at St Paul’s.

    .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Cottam

    After the resignation was announced the fourth estate came into the picture. Robert Piggott the BBC religious affairs reporter was speaking to some of the protesters. ‘Are you pleased you have got another scalp?’, he asked. A very articulate young woman disabused him and made him look as stupid as he really is. Back to the studio and Emily Maitlis used the same vocabulary when speaking to a representative of Ecclesia, a think tank. Unbelievable and the story was only a few minutes old at the time.

  48. Rowan Williams is a wet old beardie and will not upset his apple cart.

  49. Also, check out the Occupy Wiki:
    https://occupywiki.org.uk/Main_Page

  50. Occupy London responds to resignation of the Dean of St Paul’s
    Posted on October 31, 2011 by occupylsx
    .
    The Occupy London occupations, at London Stock Exchange (by St Paul’s Churchyard) and at Finsbury Square, are about social justice, real democracy and challenging the unsustainable financial system that punishes the many and privileges the few.
    .
    The management of St Paul’s Cathedral is obviously deeply divided over the position they have taken in response to our cause – but our cause has never been directed at the staff of the Cathedral. Nor have we ever called for ‘scalps’ as reported in the media.
    .
    We ask that St Paul’s Institute publish its report into renumeration in the financial sector and call on those of all faiths and none to be part of a call for change. Together, we are the 99 per cent.
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    We reiterate the need for open and transparent dialogue involving all parties, including the Cathedral, the Corporation of London and others, through our relevant liaison groups. This is a historic opportunity to make a real difference and a real change for all in our society, in the UK and beyond.
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    http://occupylsx.org/?p=669

  51. The C 0f E may be craven, but some Progressive (ie Reform and Liberal) Jews unequivocally support Occupy –

    #OccupyLSX – Jewish Statement of Support for Occupy London
    Posted on October 31, 2011 by occupylsx
    19

    “As members of the British Jewish community, we wish to support the ‘Occupy
    London’ movement and its current bases at St Paul’s and Finsbury Square. We
    welcome the movement’s openness, pluralism and commitment to imagining a more just
    world. We see this as fulfilling many of the precepts of Judaism, such as the
    imperative: ‘Justice, justice shall you pursue’. Our history calls for us to speak
    out than remain silent in the face of injustice, and our religion emphasises that
    justice is found in the concrete acts of feeding the hungry, clothing the naked
    and giving help to the oppressed. Our spirituality must be grounded in these,
    which are not merely acts of occasional charity, but a fundamental daily ethical
    imperative.

    “Our Jewish heritage includes a long tradition of reshaping society to help the
    least fortunate, from the teaching of prophets like Amos and Jeremiah, to Rabbi
    Hillel, to modern figures such as Abraham Joshua Heschel and Naomi Klein. It also
    includes a long history of secular Jewish activism, in the struggles for fair
    treatment for workers, human rights and environmental justice. It is in this
    tradition that we add our voices to the movement demanding accountability, honest
    and ethical practices from banks and global corporations, and a restructuring of
    financial regulation to ensure transparency and strict legality.

    “We wish Occupy London success in furthering and deepening the debate in the
    country, and hope it will be a catalyst towards a more sustainable, just and equal
    society.”

    Occupy Judaism London
    Rabbi Judith Rosen-Berry
    Rabbi Howard Cooper
    Rabbi Sheila Shulman
    Rabbi Mark Solomon
    Rabbi Margaret Jacobi
    Rabbi Judith Levitt
    Rabbi Elli Tikvah Sarah
    Rabbi Richard Jacobi
    Rabbi Shulamit Ambalu

    Kudos.

  52. Here’s something you might like to write about or give a talk whensoever wheresoever – WHY SO VERY VERY FEW UK REFUSENIKS DURING THE IRAK AND AFGHANISTAN WARS? There have been barely a handful in ten years – its amazing and disheartening. The one’s that did show out and show some principled integrity deserve their credit of course but I have seen no real discussion about the absence of REFUSENIKS and approaching Remembrance Day commemorations might not be a bad juncture for such a debate to get under way. A lot of military are absolutely steeped in militarism and that disposition is not an asset in this era we are living through. I stood in Trafalgar Square on 8 Oct and not a murmer about so few REFUSENIKS.

  53. Mary,

    I am waiting for Rowan’s response (if any) – I have reminded in him in his own words of ‘washing the feet of the poor’ and ‘the rot setting in when our monarchs ‘started dressing in military uniform, thus giving an obvious visual and imaginative priority to their role as personifying the state’s supposedly legitimate violence’ – esp. to children. I wait in obeyance…

  54. I visited Saturday afternoon. There were a number of good speakers holding an attentive (but not very large) audience on the left hand side of the steps, all very well organised. Some of it quite thought-provoking. I’m sure your presence would be widely appreciated and very helpful to them. They hold a number of ‘planning’ meetings each day, 10:00, 13:00 and 19:00. Get to, say, the 10:00 one (at the info desk which is about the first thing you see if you approach from the Ludgate Circus direction) and I’d be surprised if they didn’t immediately bite your hand off.
    .
    Or make a request or set a time on-line through the tent city university route.
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    There’s a permanent media presence (in Ave Maria Lane if I remember right) so MSM are ready with the cameras as soon as someone ‘of note’ turns up, announced or not. I wonder how they would react if you took the microphone?
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    There are strict rules about use of loudspeakers not conflicting with events in the cathedral, so a Sunday wouldn’t be good, nor a day or time with a major event going on inside.
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    I’m aiming to visit again Wed and Fri midday onwards, just to be there. Less than 60min journey for me. If side effects of recent medical procedure wear off, may stay there the weekend (have good tent and bag) but there didn’t seem to be much room for more tents.
    .
    Go for it!

  55. Bravo! Ken

  56. Hilarious just now on BBC News channel. Gavin Esler was introducing an item about Cleggover who was shown in the headlines visiting a factory wearing goggles and helmet launching his growth initiative (using money previously announced just like that old trick of NuLiebour’s). The wrong bit of film came on when they got the Cleggover piece with Chartres Bishop of London saying ‘he has acted honourably in a very difficult situation’.
    .
    From Andrew Brown’s blog http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2011/oct/31/st-pauls-change-direction
    Chartres is a man who believes in the establishment, in both senses, through and through. He’s profoundly conservative. He believes in the prayer book and the monarchy. His wife’s family is rich. But he is also a realist and a shrewd politician, and he knows that the dean’s cause is lost, and his policy has been rejected by almost all shades of Christian opinion as well as by the country as a whole.
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    Chartres’ father in law was the late Sir Alan McLintock, senior partner in one of the firms which merged to become KPMG.
    {http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1549009/Sir-Alan-McLintock.html}

  57. Craig,

    OccupyLSX have a chat app at this address (to right of video stream):

    http://www.livestream.com/occupylsx

    You may find people here who can answer your questions.

    Good luck.

  58. Rowan Williams breaks silence:
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    Graeme Knowles resignation ‘very sad news’, says archbishop of Canterbury.
    .
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/oct/31/graeme-knowles-resignation-archbishop-canterbury

  59. Will no-one rid us of this totally flaccid priest?

  60. Craig, If nothing has been sorted out yet I’m at Occupy lsx and can talk to the people at tent city university to see when they can fit you into their schedule. (I’m sure plenty of people will want to hear you). If I can help just send an e-mail. Niall Taylor.

  61. technicolour

    31 Oct, 2011 - 8:24 pm

    I think the point about Occupy London so far is that anyone is equally welcome, isn’t it?

  62. Yes, everyone is equally welcome and equally welcome to give a talk.

  63. Thanks Number 5 for reminding us of the live occupylsx link. As a flavour of ongoing discussions on the link a young soldier from the Iraq occupation by British troops in Basra commented on the very large number of private security firms securing the interests of corporates and bankers in Iraq. He did not mention the ‘death squads’ and it is the formation of these very squads I want to expose here as part of an American and Israeli plan of sectarian divide that was to be followed by an exposure of Iranian involvement that would have lead to a UN sanctioned occupation of Iran.
    .
    The following is an extract from a comprehensive report now widely distributed, a copy of which I received from American after an American journalist in Basra was murdered in strange circumstances a short time after a secret paper written by Defence Secretary John Reid for Tony Blair revealed that many of the 8,500 British troops in Iraq were set to be brought home within three months, with most of the rest returning six months later.
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    The leaked document, marked Secret: UK Eyes Only, appeared to fly in the face of Mr Blair and President Bush’s pledges that Allied forces will not quit until Iraq’s own forces are strong enough to take control of security.
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    The U.S. did not invade Iraq to establish “democracy” and “free Iraqis”. The U.S. invaded and destroyed Iraq in order to humiliate and divide Muslims (Arabs in particular), protect Israel’s Zionist expansion and control Iraq’s natural wealth.
    .
    So, the U.S. imposed democracy by force is fraud. ‘Democracy is like a plant; it grows from bottom up, not from top down’. The U.S. sabotage of democracy in Palestine and U.S. support for Israel’s criminal destruction of Lebanon are just two current examples of U.S. love for democracy. Also the idea that the U.S. and its allies were in Iraq to stabilise the situation is a falsehood. Destabilisation was one of the aims of U.S. foreign policy. The unprovoked war of aggression and the U.S. presence in Iraq, including the illegal building of U.S. military bases and the largest C.I.A. station in the world on Iraqi soil, are major destabilising factors. The U.S. objectives have always been to weaken Iraq, divide the people and control Iraq behind a façade of corrupt stooges, with poorly trained and poorly armed army and police.
    .

    To destroy Iraq as an independent nation, the U.S. initiated the criminal campaign of ‘De-Ba’athification’, which implied the liquidation of anyone associated with the Ba’ath Party as well as anyone with anti-Occupation nationalist views. ‘De-Ba’athification’ was simply a murderous campaign for inciting violence and destroying the Iraqi society. Together with the Israeli Mossad, some British SAS and U.S. Special Forces, the pro-Occupation militias and death squads embarked on A deliberate campaign of assassinations and ethnic cleansing.
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    Thousands of scientists, including more than 350 scientists specialized in nuclear science have been assassinated. Thousands of professors, prominent politicians, and medical doctors have been murdered in cold blood. The Ministry of Higher Education reported in 2008 that at least 210 teachers have been murdered and some 3,700 have fled Iraq to neighbouring countries. According to the UN more than 4,000 Iraqis fled to Syria and Jordan every day to avoid being killed. More than 3.7 million Iraqis have fled the country.
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    After 6 years I have documented proof of the fact that much of the sectarian violence in Iraq was the work of coalition agents provocateurs, attempting to cause a civil war.

  64. http://www.thereformedbroker.com/2011/10/09/this-is-why-they-hate-you-and-want-you-to-die/
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    “The ordinary American is not a class warrior or a woe-is-me whiner coveting the rewards of others – the ordinary American simply believes that extraordinary rewards should go to those who do extraordinary things, not to paper-pushing failures at parasite banks.
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    So let me give you a hint that will save you countless hours and millions of dollars spent on consultants and the public relations morons you keep on staff: This is why they hate you. This very type of thing, while just a single example, epitomizes the piggish mentality that has set you apart from everyone else. This is why they’re marching against you and calling for boycotts and writing their politicians. And this is why your whole model and way of life is on its way to being dead. Forever.
    .
    You want to roll your eyes and make snide remarks about “dumb college kids” and “socialists”? Go ahead but you’re be missing the point. Because it is the small business owner who’s really been wronged here, not the fringe elements you mockingly dismiss. The business owner whose losses are not socialized like yours, the business owner without the government in his pocket, the business owner who is forced to play by the rules that you have paid to have written. He’s not a hippie, he’s not a Marxist…but he’s waking up, dummy.
    .
    You blew the second chance you got with TARP to re-enter society as a productive component of commerce. You went back to bonus-swilling, full-retard mode as though nothing ever happened and 13 million people weren’t sitting around in their post credit-bubble joblessness for three years now. Your tone-deafness and utter disconnection from the rest of the country has produced something extraordinary – You’ve managed to awaken one of the most indolent, lethargic and apathetic populaces in the history of the world. You’ve now stirred a slumbering nation of 300 million from it’s Entennman’s and Zoloft*-induced stupor. America is awake now and it’s pissed.”
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    Well put.
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    *Poisonous doughnut and toxic antidepressant. Allegedly.

  65. Bravo to Gary Corseri the brilliant American writer and poet!
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    His last six paragraphs here –
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    The “Occupy” crowd is beautifully named. They want to “occupy” their space, their time, their lives. They—we—do not measure our lives’ worth in terms of the billions of dollars we have never amassed. We ask: How is money made? (“Right Livelihood,” we recall, is one of the essential aspects of Buddha’s Noble Eight-fold Path!) What good has come of the wealth? (“Lay not up worldly treasures,” the Essene Jesus advised.) What lives were improved? How? Was the planet made more liveable, more beautiful? We ask: What is the measure of a life worth living; and, yes–what is the meaning of life?
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    It’s a question as old as Plato and Aristotle, as old as the Hebrew prophets and the Sumerian cuneiform tablets. It is a much greater question than the question of happiness… because enduring happiness depends on it.
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    We have been a culture distracted by the baubles of consumption. We have been willing to kill and maim millions of people, unheroically and stupidly, while just “following orders” or “doing our jobs,” so that an insignificant 1 percent–and even much less than that—could accumulate more and more baubles and dictate more and more orders.
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    There are four great reasons why the Occupy movement will not go away, why it will grow stronger as we advance into winter and next spring: 1. It is inter-generational. 2. It is international. 3. It is technologized. 4. It is life-saving and essential.
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    Greater connections will be formed. The young will screw each other (in the best sense!) and fall in love; and the white-haired women who run with wolves and the graybeards who danced with Janis J. for peace in the 60s will re-learn the language of the young and impart the rich ore of their own experiences. And when the snow comes, and the cold appears to drive them away… they will retreat in order to regroup – and fight again come spring.
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    Because we are connected now…, and talking – all around the world. And we see each other now, and we ask: “If not us, who? If not now, when?”
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    http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/10/occupy-the-world-and-the-values-revolution/

  66. Please feel free to delete this if the extract I posted and lost shows up:
    http://www.thereformedbroker.com/2011/10/09/this-is-why-they-hate-you-and-want-you-to-die/

  67. Craig,
    Tent city university organises the schedule for talks, they have an e-mail address:- tentcityuniversity@gmail.com
    If you contact them I’m sure something can be worked out.

  68. Some background on the City of London Corporation and its contribution to fiscal integrity here:
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    http://taxjustice.blogspot.com/2009/02/corporation-of-london-state-within.html
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    Relevant as this is who will be trying to evict Occupy in the next few days.

  69. Hello Craig

    Why NOT wander down there as a human being instead of as an invited VIP with guaranteed speech-making facilities on tap ?

    frog2

  70. Dave, it’s true that the Occupy movement has no time for pomp and authority, and everyone can have a say. Such humility is an important part of the philosophy, and it’s very welcome. However some people have more interesting messages than others. So giving advance notification of a unique angle on the crisis benefits everyone. Otherwise it would be like a Marxist version of speaker’s corner in Hyde Park, where there’s a lot being said but little to discover.

  71. Hee hee – from the Telegraph today:
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    > The Dead of St Paul’s had pushed hard for the church hierarchy to back legal
    > action by the Corporation of London to remove the 200 or so tents from St
    > Paul’s churchyard.
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    I expect they will notice the deliberate mistake shortly!
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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/8861089/St-Pauls-branded-laughing-stock-as-Dean-Graeme-Knowles-resigns.html

  72. FOR the RECORD:
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    “We support the right of protesters outside St Paul’s, in Finsbury Square and in cities across the country to continue their occupations. Their concerns about the injustice, corruption and inequality of the system are shared by large numbers of people. It is not acceptable to use the law to suppress legitimate, peaceful and widely supported protest.”
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    Initial signatories:
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    John McDonnell MP
    Ken Loach
    Jeremy Corbyn MP
    Rev. Dr. Vladimir Nikiforov, RC Chaplain and Visiting Lecturer Royal Holloway,
    Josh Virasami, Occupy LSX,
    Mark Serwotka, PCS,
    Kate Hudson, CND,
    Lindsey German, Stop the War Coalition,
    The Society of Sacramental Socialists
    Dr Matteo Mandarini, Queen Mary Business School
    James Meadway, Senior Economist, New Economics Foundation
    Paul Mackney, Gen. Sec NATFHE / UCU 1997-2007
    Dr Peter D. Thomas, Brunel University
    Andrew Burgin, Coalition of Resistance
    Romayne Phoenix, Coalition of Resistance

  73. I heard the organisers of Tent City University speak, and they outlined the process Nextus has described. It’s a congenial space, with everything you need to have the session you want. When I turned up, Prof. Doreen Massey had just had one hour+ to a packed and responsive audience.

    Please let us know if you get on the programme – it would be good to come down and see it.

  74. Thanks everyone. I am in touch with Tent City University now and working out a time.

  75. I see George Monbiot has picked up on the City of London Corporation too. Here:
    http://www.monbiot.com/2011/10/31/wealth-destroyers/

    Sample:
    “The current Lord Mayor, Michael Bear, came to prominence within the City as chief executive of the Spitalfields development group(11), which oversaw a controversial business venture in which the Corporation had a major stake, even though the project lies outside the boundaries of its authority. This illustrates another of the Corporation’s unique features. It possesses a vast pool of cash, which it can spend as it wishes, without democratic oversight. As well as expanding its enormous property portfolio, it uses this money to lobby on behalf of the banks.

    The Lord Mayor’s role, the Corporation’s website tells us, is to “open doors at the highest levels” for business, in the course of which he “expounds the values of liberalisation”(12). Liberalisation is what bankers call deregulation: the process that caused the financial crash. The Corporation boasts that it “handle[s] issues in Parliament of specific interest to the City”, such as banking reform and financial services regulation(13). It also conducts “extensive partnership work with think tanks … vigorously promoting the views and needs of financial services.”(14) But this isn’t the half of it.”
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    Sure isn’t.

  76. Irish Journal reports that St. Pauls has dropped eviction proceedings; City of London has not:
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    http://www.thejournal.ie/occupy-lsx-camp-facing-eviction-as-city-of-london-seeks-high-court-action-268416-Nov2011/

  77. Hi Craig,
    I’ve been down to St Paul’s twice. They are very welcomed to anyone who would want to give a talk/lecture. If you see on the Occupy website calendar, there is often talks held throughout the day, could be in the tent university or info tent. I have yet go to a talk but general public is always invited to attend and discuss. (I heard this is what happens at a shout out during General Assembly).
    I think it is wonderful for professionals like yourself want to share your experiences. I for one often feel ignorant and hungry for knowledge, specially political ones.
    Good luck,
    Lynn

  78. oops. sorry. forgot to mention. Just go down to the info tent and speak to someone that you are interested. There is a lady by the name of Lucy (I think she is in charge of media). She may be able to help.
    Lynn

  79. missed your last reply. hope to be able to attend your talk at tent city!
    Best of luck,
    L

  80. Just turn up and say:”Take me to your leader!”

  81. We know what the “occupy movements” want. The only problem is that they are paralysed and conflicted when it comes to action. See The Occupy London Movement for a full analysis.

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