The Third Man

by craig on November 26, 2011 2:08 pm in Uncategorized

This is the link for the video recording of the Public Administration Committee meeting at which Paul Flynn MP was prevented from asking questions about the role of the third man, Matthew Gould, in the Fox-Werritty plot to promote a war with Iran.

The key action starts 1 hour and thirty minutes in (use the slider). The actions of long term paid zionist shill Robert Halfon – whose whole career has been bought and paid for by Werritty’s main sponsor Poju Zabludowicz – and the neo-con committee chairman, Bernard Jenkin, in suppressing free speech by an MP are despicable. Anyone who does not believe there is a fierce Tory cover-up of Gould’s role must watch this. Anyone who believes parliamentary democracy is still more than a sham should watch it too.

Which brings me to the extraordinary refusal of my freedom of information request for the Gould/Werritty correspondence. The refusal of my request came back in just one hour and fifteen minutes – about three weeks shorter than usual – and astonishingly at 11.31pm. The FCO refuses to meet its Freedom of Information Act obligation to provide the Gould/Werritty correspondence because it would be “too costly” to do so.

But did not Sir Gus O’Donnell just conduct a full and thorough investigation into the role of Adam Werritty in association with Liam Fox? And would not such a full and thorough investigation have gathered together all the relevant documentation, and particularly correspondence between Werritty and senior British diplomats?

There are two alternatives. Either the material is already collected, in which case there is no cost to collecting it, and the response to my Freedom of Information request is both illegal and a deliberate lie. Or the documentation was never collected and the Gus O’Donnell investigation was a complete sham.

Either is not good. Yet there is no other possible explanation.

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99 Comments

  1. keep digging Craig and Halfon was also bought by Ashcroft’s dodgy money over £100,000 poured into my old constituency and that of your old friend Bill Rammell perhaps Bill will assist you now he is free!

  2. Brilliant film, title and theme tune.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-MXlqC8YeE
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    Brilliant work Craig.

  3. Who is that old lady sitting behind GOD?

  4. Dick the Prick

    26 Nov, 2011 - 3:06 pm

    I kinda thought that as it was quite late you accidently hit the senior officer on night duty, who after having had quite a nice dinner, just decided to tell you to fuck right off, which goes under the first alternative I guess.

  5. Craig: For the FCO to say that your FOI request cannot be met because it would be too costly treats the FOI legislation with contemptible contempt.

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    I note from the Information Commissioner Office’s (ICO)website that before asking the ICO to intervenene you need first to have asked the FCO to review their refusal to provide the information on grounds of cost; and to provide the ICO with unedited copies of that request and the response, together with the original request and response.

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    I hope you will pursue this blatant abuse of the clause allowing an exception on grounds of costs. As you point out and can say to the FCO, the only costs are those of drafting and sending an email to Matthew Gould, asking for copies of his correspondance with Werrity while he has been a member of the Diplomatic Service; and of forwarding copies to you. It is more a matter for your subsequent complaint to the ICO that the FCO felt able to reply so quickly to your request at a time of day when it is implausible that officials (including the British Ambassador to Israel) would have been to hand to enable a rational calculation to be made of the cost of the supplying the information.

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    How the correspondance was conducted (if by paper or by email, on what letterheads and from what email addresses) would only be relevant if the refusal were based on the correspondance being private. But that is not the FCO’s position. In any case, as a lobbyist sometimes wishing to share with others evidence of his influence with HMG it is likely that Werrity will have addressed his letters/ emails to Matthew Gould in his official roles. I find it hard to see how the FCO can plausibly adduce as excessive the cost of searching its own filing systems in respect of a single FCO official and one other person with a distinctive surname.

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    As so often, it’s the subsequent cover-up that will expose the crookedness.

  6. The old lady directly behind O’Donnell (I refuse to call him GOD) is I think Lady Gillian Shephard, one time MP, Minister and Parliamentary President of Conservative Friends of Israel, one time board member of the Committee on Standards in Public Life, and now chair of the Association of Conservative Peers.
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    http://hyperfacts.com/4052757
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    Some years ago a group of us attempted to get the CPSL, under the chairmanship of Sir Christopher Kelly, a placeman and a white mark on a white wall, to close down the Friends of Israel lobby groups. We came up with a brick wall and it was ironic that some of the members of CSPL had associations with the lobby groups.
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    (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillian_Shephard}

  7. The FCO refuses to meet its Freedom of Information Act obligation to provide the Gould/Werritty correspondence because it would be “too costly” to do so.
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    The damage to the government, that’s what ‘cost’ here means.

  8. Interesting that Chloe Smith, now Con MP for Norwich North, worked for Shephard. Smith, now rapidly promoted to be a Transport Minister, is a member of Conservative Friends of Israel and has recently been to Israel on one of the indoctrination trips.
    Q. Was she indoctrinated by Shephard?
    http://www.norwichnorthconservatives.com/news/the-big-interview-chloe-smith/49
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    Error in acronym in previous post. CSPL – Committee on Standards in Public Life.

  9. I searched for this video and never found it, thanks Mr Murray

  10. Paul Flynn speaks at 16.31.5

  11. why does Sir Gus O’Donnell have his arms crossed?
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    …. excellent Mr Murray.

  12. In foreign policy, Britain serves Israel. Everything else is details.

  13. Craig, excellent work, but I am exceedingly worried about you.. please take good care. God bless.

  14. Tried to watch it, use the slider, but nothing! I wonder if they removed it..would not put it pass them..bastards

  15. Azra, It does work. Wait for it to load. The sound is not very loud.
    Why is there not a transcript available of committee proceedings and hearings?
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    My earlier comment, replying to a question as to who was sitting behind O’Donnell, did not go up as I did not use the right type of brackets on the second link. Here it is again:
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    The old lady directly behind O’Donnell (I refuse to call him GOD) is I think Lady Gillian Shephard, one time MP, Minister and Parliamentary President of Conservative Friends of Israel, one time board member of the Committee on Standards in Public Life, and now chair of the Association of Conservative Peers.
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    http://hyperfacts.com/4052757
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    Some years ago a group of us attempted to get the CSPL, under the chairmanship of Sir Christopher Kelly, a placeman and a white mark on a white wall, to close down the Friends of Israel lobby groups. We came up against a brick wall and it was ironic that some of the members of CSPL had associations with the lobby groups.
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    {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillian_Shephard}

  16. The usual obfuscation. Why suprised? The Bliar certainly works with Gould. Nothin in the Media AT ALL re: the Kuala Lumpur War Crime Tribunal guilty verdicts on Torturing Tony and Bomber Bush, Joseph Goebbels must be cackling in Hell.As for god,what a squalid reptile.Meanwhile everyone rachets up the pressure for war war war, well lets face it its the only industry the sick assassins have.The usual suspects will be rubbing their hands and getting their offshore accounts primed for another infusion of blood money.Heaven help the Iranians, one can only pray they get in a few very painful reprisals.

  17. To give some strength to Craig’s investigation I has asked the relevant question here:
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    http://www.parliament.uk/site-information/contact-us/
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    – with the subject:
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    HOC PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION COMMITTEE – Meeting started on Wednesday 23 November at 3pm

  18. Mary, thanks for the info, when did you last try it? I still have not managed to make it work, waited for 15 minutes for it to load, no luck!

  19. What a sound, convincing and unimpeachable argument, Craig. Spot on. Well done.

  20. Azra, I’m having problems too. It is requesting me to download something called Microsoft Silverlight. What the Hell is that?

  21. John,
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    The ‘Silverlight player’ is like a ‘Flash player’ and enables the video format to be played. Perfectly OK to download and execute.

  22. Is Britain Plotting With Israel to Attack Iran?
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    http://paulflynnmp.typepad.com/

  23. Mark Golding, thanks. I found the problem. It was with Firefox settings. I could watch it using Explorer, but my understanding is Firefox is safer than Explorer. The interruptions from Halfon, and in particular Bernard Jenkin, were disgusting, especially as a chairman is supposed to be impartial.

  24. Absolutely brilliant, Craig. Keep on digging.

  25. Responding to a question about the dinner from opposition MP Paul Flynn, O’Donnell said: “The important point here was that, when the Secretary of State [Fox] had that meeting, he had an official with him—namely, in this case, the ambassador [Gould]. That is very important, and I should stress that I would expect our ambassador in Israel to have contact with Mossad. That will be part of his job.”
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    One of the qualities of an ambassador in my book is a scrupulous regard for truth – ok, ok I add good looks and a good head for alcohol :) – an ambassador does a course to get the knowledge, including how to protect oneself against foreign intelligence but why would our ambassador to Israel have contact with Mossad?
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    I can think of only one reason – bait and switch; to plot against a common enemy – Sure! but does that not involve telling lies? – Lies that might in fact cause great harm?
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    Some my call me naive but a good ambassador to me is of prudence, can-do, leadership, versatility in facing intractable problems and one hell bent on preventing people from being boiled to death!

  26. I’m not sure Poju Zabludowicz can carry all the blame for Halfon, although he did contribute in 2006 at least. However, one donor whose name is familiar, from 2011, is Trevor Pears, who dropped £20,000 on David Cameron’s election campaign, and various lumps around £2000 on individual Conservative constituency parties, including Halfon’s, in 2005. For instance.
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    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-06/thuo-bpt061311.php

  27. Oh…. THAT Bernard Jenkin….
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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5368817/MPs-expenses-Bernard-Jenkin-claims-50000-in-rent-on-farmhouse-owned-by-sister-in-law.html
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    It’s ok. Daddy (Lord Jenkin of Roding) subbed him the cash when the expenses people trod on him.

  28. Good nose Komodo – impressed! Eh? Why is Jenkin still able to chair pubic administration meetings?

  29. “Good nose Komodo – impressed! Eh? Why is Jenkin still able to chair pubic administration meetings?”
    Because he’s a prick?

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    (sorry)

  30. Nice one Komodo on Jenkin.
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    Craig, is it true that ambassadors knowingly have meetings with the intelligence services of countries to which they are the Queen’s servant? I know they are likely to be there, and that they use electronic surveillance gadgetry. But are ambassadors invited to meet officials and the intelligence services openly?

  31. “and the response to my Freedom of Information request is both illegal and a deliberate lie. Or the documentation was never collected and the Gus O’Donnell investigation was a complete sham.”
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    Illegality, lies and complete sham. Isn’t that to be expected from a government of war criminals facing an opposition of war criminals?
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    The only party “committed to putting the interests of the British people first”, i.e., the BNP, appears to be a security services op intended to identify whatever people actually want with “far-fight-wingism.
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    Maybe the time is ripe for some people opposed to illegality, lies and complete sham to put together a new party that actually is committed to “putting the interests of the British people first.”
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    They’ll have their work cut out though. I see Tommy Rotten, aka Stephen Yakuza-Lennon and the EDL are getting into the game, just to make sure the “far-right-wingism” label sticks to all those with the temerity to claim that they are “putting the interests of the British people first.”

  32. Canspeccy, I enjoy living in a multicultural society, as I’m sure you do. I’m not a whiteist or a rightist. I don’t judge people by their religion or non-religion. I’ve travelled. What I would like to see is an egalitarian society where Indians, West Indians, Japanese, Chinese, Israeli, Palestinian (and all those I’ve failed to mention) are not ashamed to marry British people, who have come to trust British people.
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    We know a lot about the Darwinian theory of evolution, but Lamarck was not totally wrong. A long time ago I read a book by Arthur Koestler called “The case of the midwife toad” about a man called Paul Kammerer, who committed suicide because he was accused of tampering with specimens to prove his Lamarckian case. While I was in no position to test out Koestler’s speculation, in favour of Kammerer, I learnt from the book that salamanders change their skin colour according to the environment in which they live. Anyway I have seen this in people in Birmingham. We are all the same. And people need to understand that.

    What I can’t understand is what you are saying in relation to the blog. Is it that Jewish people, or people of Jewish descent, should not be allowed to serve on parliamentary committees. I read your article and have to say it disturbed me.

  33. John:
    “I found the problem. It was with Firefox settings. I could watch it using Explorer, but my understanding is Firefox is safer than Explorer.”
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    Don’t believe everything you read about Firefox being cuddly because it’s open source. The Mozilla Foundation, which produces Firefox, is owned by AOL-Time Warner.
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    I work on the assumption that whichever browser I use, all my Web activity is being uploaded to somebody’s database. But what can you do, rely on BBC TV for news? :\
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    (As for Google Chrome… It’s part of the terms and conditions of usage that Google can use your browsing history for any purpose it, or its “partners”, likes.)

  34. John:
    “What I can’t understand is what you are saying in relation to the blog. Is it that Jewish people, or people of Jewish descent, should not be allowed to serve on parliamentary committees. I read your article and have to say it disturbed me.”
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    Well at least he puts his cards on the table. Best just to ignore this stuff, there’s no argument to be had.

  35. The former defense secretary, his best man, and our man in Tel Aviv.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-former-defence-secretary-his-best-man-and-the-curious-case-of-our-man-in-tel-aviv-6268640.html

    Murray’s story is almost in MSM. After Al-Akhbar, the Independant. Keep up the good work! There shouldn’t be another Iraq, neither another Libya…

  36. John Gross said:
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    “What I can’t understand is what you are saying in relation to the blog. Is it that Jewish people, or people of Jewish descent, should not be allowed to serve on parliamentary committees. I read your article and have to say it disturbed me.”
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    What on earth are you talking about. My article says nothing whatever about Jewish people or people of Jewish descent. The article does not include the word “Jewish.”
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    You seem to need reading glass or classes in remedial reading. Or are you just attempting the usual lib-left smear of any person with views different from your own?

  37. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/27/david-mitchell-party-funding-lobbying?commentpage=last#end-of-comments

    I’ve been there,done my bit but i reckon i’ll get moderated real quick.David Mitchell seems like a real nice guy but i’ve had enough of MSM giving space to deflectors and low-issue contributors.

    Have your say folks…

  38. Franz said,
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    “Well at least he puts his cards on the table.”
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    As a matter of fact, Franz, the cards you imagine I put on the table were place there not by me but by John Gross.
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    But it seems to be a general rule here, that any reference to the fraudulence of the BNP or the EDL triggers a smear attack. That’s quite interesting, isn’t it.

  39. Whether it was Gus O’Donnell himself or his toadying underlings that let the GOD acronym run should be run out of town real quick.

    Fuckin’ grotesque wankers.

  40. @ Canspeccy

    “But it seems to be a general rule here, that any reference to the fraudulence of the BNP or the EDL triggers a smear attack. That’s quite interesting, isn’t it.”

    Nail/Hit/Head…the whole game is a recherche spook beanfeast.

  41. Some sockpuppets here need to change their socks.They are becoming old,worn and smelly.

  42. But my argument, to rephrase it for those who might wish to grasp it, was:
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    British politics is dominated by three parties committed to imperial wars that by the Nuremburg standard, constitute criminal wars of aggression. The only party that stands against these wars for oil and empire is the BNP and its derivatives, which are led in a way that makes any supporter open to a charge of racism, bigotry, fanaticm, far-right-wingism, etc., which just seem all too convenient for the war criminal parties.
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    And the implication is that democracy in Britain is a shamocracy. The fact that Craig Murray’s request for clarification on the role of Gould, Werrity and Fix in possible secret negotiations with Israel to launch a war on Iran has been met by illegality and lying covered by a sham investigation supports that contention.
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    Incidentally, I looked at the video at the one hour and thirty minutes point and saw only some boring balding bloke blathering on about some survey on how many of his subordinates were aware of some bureaucratic rubbish. Not having another hour and a half to spare, I never did see Mr. Halfon running interference to prevent any serious questions being addressed. If anyone has the exact time, I’d be glad if they will make a note here.

  43. I’ve had 3 pints tonight and have probably been a tad lippy on the comments on CiF site.But i did drop Craig’s web address.I expect to be moderated very soon.Would some more articualte/intelligent posters than i please add a few comments on this link? I think David Mitchell is Ok but it still seems a deflective piece.

    Cheers..Jives/DreadMorayEel.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/27/david-mitchell-party-funding-lobbying?commentpage=last#end-of-comments

  44. @ Canspeccy

    “Incidentally, I looked at the video at the one hour and thirty minutes point and saw only some boring balding bloke blathering on about some survey on how many of his subordinates were aware of some bureaucratic rubbish. Not having another hour and a half to spare, I never did see Mr. Halfon running interference to prevent any serious questions being addressed. If anyone has the exact time, I’d be glad if they will make a note here.”

    Yep but dont waste your time dude.You know the bollocks without having to see it.It’ll only anger you further.

  45. “You know the bollocks without having to see it. It’ll only anger you further.”
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    Probably right. When I saw that prissy bloke blabbing on, I felt so glad I’d quit the government before I’d passed the prime of life!

  46. @ Canspeccy

    “When I saw that prissy bloke blabbing on,”

    LOL

    Which one though? From where i’m sat there’s a feckin’ conveyor belt of them…

  47. The only party that stands against these wars for oil and empire is the BNP and its derivatives
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    No, mate, there are any number of little parties. Some of them even have MPs. What are you bringing the BNP up for?

  48. Anon, said: What are you bringing the BNP up for?

    Look, I gave you an explanation. I cannot give you an understanding.

    If there are anti-war parties in parliament who get to be the center of attention on BBC’s “Question Time” and represent views that a large proportion of the population of Britain say they would support, my apologies for not mentioning them. I just never heard of them.
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    BBC Question Time forum flooded with support for Nick Griffin

  49. Well done, Craig, and dare I say, well done Independent.co.uk — someone finally grasped the nettle?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-former-defence-secretary-his-best-man-and-the-curious-case-of-our-man-in-tel-aviv-6268640.html

  50. “Referring to recent anti-Iran rhetoric by the US and Israel, Brigadier General Yadollah Javani said on Saturday that Iran will not just repel enemy attacks and is capable of countering hostile attempts within enemy territory.
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    “If Israel fires a missile towards our nuclear or critical facilities, it should know that every inch of Israel including its nuclear centers are a target for our missiles [to hit] and we have this capability today,” the Iranian general said.”
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/212245.html

  51. let’s face it, the US has but one industry – the military/industrial complex, and if they can’t keep wars going, they are in even deeper financial trouble (in the minds of the pollies/MSM at least):

    April 2010: Truthout: Dave Lindorff: More Than 53 Percent of Your Tax Bill Goes to the Military
    Meanwhile, Iran, which the White House and Congress are portraying as America’s arch enemy despite its not having invaded another country in hundreds of years, isn’t even on the list of the top 17 military big spenders. Iran’s current military budget is a teensy $4.8 billion, about the same as the estimated $5 billion spent on the military by North Korea – America’s other “major enemy.” Each of those country’s military budgets is about one-quarter of the military budget of Australia, or a third of the military budget of the Netherlands.
    Just to give one an idea of how small $4.8 billion is in comparison to the $1.6 trillion that the US is spending each year on war and planning for war, that number is roughly what the Pentagon plans to spend over the next year on child care and youth programs, morale and recreation programs and commissaries on its bases! It’s about what the Pentagon will spend acquiring replacement Seahawk, Chinook and Blackhawk helicopters this year…
    http://archive.truthout.org/dave-lindorff-more-53-percent-your-tax-bill-goes-military58534

    the exception. but is he electable?

    All Ron Paul CNN Foreign Policy Debate Highlights
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZAW2spbZys&feature=player_embedded

  52. Yup, Craig is name-checked in the Indy article, well done. Something has got through. Of course, the propaganda model requires that sometimes truth gets through, all in order to make the lies more believable. Still, I suspect Mr Murray will be getting a few more hits on this article, from those who want to follow it up, which is A Good Thing.
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    I wonder, am I understanding the seriousness of this right? Because by my reckoning, Gus O’Donnell’s job is on the line, and a more serious enquiry is possibly on the cards. Which means that every other politician running a shadow-policy should be concerned. And there seems to be a few of those.
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    By the by, it really is interesting isn’t it how stories can be made to magically disappear. Chomsky is right when he says the propaganda model is a scarily effective model, and much more successful than the Stalinist variety. The silence, after the brief noise, is eerie.

  53. Here’s the shill’s amusing (not) Blog page on the debate on Libya in the Commons on 1 November 2011.
    http://roberthalfon.blogspot.com/2011/11/debating-libya.html

    His link is reproduced here:
    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/whall/?id=2011-11-01a.193.0&s=speaker%3A24784#g205.0
    Try not to vomit when you read the exchanges with Daniel Kawczynski MP.

    Halfon: “Yesterday, I met Mr Luzon, who is a senior Jewish politician, in the House of Commons. He is known by the key people in the transitional council, who, he said yesterday, invited him back to work with the Government and perhaps stand for office, which is a very encouraging sign.”

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=243069
    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/israeli-jew-to-join-rebel-libyan-regime/

  54. sorry, I meant shill, not third man.

  55. Craig
    Banning Stephen to outer darkness was not nice. Maybe trust in government is the backbone to his whole life, his marriage, his job, his inner integrity. Maybe he has served as a soldier and killed for his country and cannot cope with the idea that governments lie. Not everyone has learnt your cynicism and you only learnt it the hard way.
    Canspeccy
    Your argument that we should pay attention to what the BNP put on the outside of the tin is pathetic. The BNP is racist. Full stop. The other parties call themselves green. Everyone knows it’s advertising trash. Being racist is totally and completely different from disagreeing with the philosophy or beliefs of people who happen to have come from other countries. We have to find out where other people are coming from, not just look at where they come from, don’t we? Mutual exchange of culture and ideas?
    We may take exception to the political reasons for immigration, such as the sweetener for East European countries not to slide back into the former Soviet block. i.e. Poles taking our jobs, but most of us cope with the frustration by recognising that our politicians are trying to make the world a safer place for us.
    When our politicians make alliances with people who cause chaos, for purely colonial purposes, for oil, such as UK putting Saddam and later Shi’a in power in Iraq, or Gaddafi and then Bel Hadj in Libya, we should raise hell.
    Also, there is a difference between our government lying for the Zionists, who control the banks, and who want to use our war machine to eradicate Islam, and the protection of our security through passport QE.

  56. Brendan. O’Donnell is retiring at the end of the year with a £2.3m pension. His job is being split into three so that some more f*****s can get at the gravy boat.
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047822/Sir-Gus-ODonnell-retirement-UKs-civil-servant-quits-early-2-3m-pension.html

  57. s/be £2.3m pension POT and …get on to the gravy train.
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    Sorry it’s a bit early on a Sunday morning.

  58. Reassuring that some of the commenters (32 so far) on Brian Brady’s article in the Independent have got the message and are well informed.

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    Brian Brady’s previous articles listed here.
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    http://journalisted.com/brian-brady?allarticles=yes

  59. Referred to on Medialens
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    Craig Murrays Werrity/Fox story finaly appears in MSM.
    Posted by Ken Waldron on November 27, 2011, 1:29 am

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    The former defence secretary, his best man, and the curious case of Our Man in Tel Aviv
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    This odd trio met six times – not that the Government wants you to know that, of course. What did they discuss? Did it include Iran? And who exactly is Adam Werritty? Brian Brady investigates a Whitehall mystery which is slowly unravelling
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-former-defence-secretary-his-best-man-and-the-curious-case-of-our-man-in-tel-aviv-6268640.html

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    So is it now thus: Free cybermedia break a story; lamestream media HAVE to follow, finally? NOM
    Posted by Rhisiart Gwilym

  60. Coverage of the Independent piece so far.
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    Is Britain plotting with Israel to attack Iran?
    The Nation, Pakistan – ‎7 hours ago‎
    Last February Britain’s then defence minister Liam Fox attended a dinner in Tel Aviv with a group described as senior Israelis. Alongside him sat Adam Werritty, a lobbyist whose “improper relations” with the minister would lead eight months later to …
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    What is Britain Plotting with Israel?
    Pacific Free Press – ‎7 hours ago‎
    Last February Britain’s then defense minister Liam Fox attended a dinner in Tel Aviv with a group described as senior Israelis. Alongside him sat Adam Werritty, a lobbyist whose “improper relations” with the minister would … The former defence secretary, his best man, and the curious case of Our Man in …

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    The Independent – ‎9 hours ago‎
    Brian Brady investigates a Whitehall mystery which is slowly unravelling Brian Brady is Whitehall Editor for The Independent on Sunday. They were the Odd Couple: the men with identical morning suits, matching jackets and jeans but from radically … Is Britain Plotting With Israel To Attack Iran? Ex-ambassador Exposes …
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    OpEdNews – ‎16 hours ago‎
    Last February Britain’s then defense minister Liam Fox attended a dinner in Tel Aviv with a group described as senior Israelis. Alongside him sat Adam Werritty, a lobbyist whose “improper relations” with the minister …
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    Is Britain plotting with Israel to attack Iran?
    Center for Research on Globalization – ‎Nov 25, 2011‎
    Last February Britain’s then defense minister Liam Fox attended a dinner in Tel Aviv with a group described as senior Israelis. Alongside him sat Adam Werritty, a lobbyist whose “improper relations” with the minister would lead eight …

  61. It’s interesting that the Third Man and the man who appointed him to be Britain’s first Jewish ambassador to Israel share a somewhat similar background.

    “My dad’s parents came from Poland in the 1910s and 1920s and met in Birmingham. My grandfather actually took part in the Battle of Cable Street in east London, something I am really proud of. The family’s original name was Goldkorn, but my dad, Sid, changed it when he went to read maths at university.”

    http://www.jewishtelegraph.com/prof_67.html

    “The [Russian] newspaper said that in the Twenties the Foreign Secretary’s grandfather, Samuel, then Shimon, Miliband, a native of the Jewish ghetto in Warsaw, had fought under the command of Trotsky ‘eliminating’ white Russians opposed to Communism.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-473214/Putin-aide-Milibands-hatred-Russia-runs-family.html#ixzz1etgTZyva

    Is it possible that Shimon Miliband and Matthew Gould’s grandfather knew each other from radical Jewish circles in Poland? More importantly, what influence might their common ideological heritage have played in David Miliband’s decision to send Gould as Britain’s “Man in Tel Aviv.”

  62. Nuid, thanks for posting the Independent article and getting the topic back on line after Caspeccy’s attempt to divert. And apologies for rising to the bait.
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    “Clearly not satisfied with the efforts of Sir Gus and his attempts to question him last week, Paul Flynn is calling for a wider investigation. He said: “Witnesses before a select committee have said that the inquiry into the Werritty affair was rushed and inadequate, and possibly in breach of the ministerial code as it was not conducted by the only person who is the enforcer of the code: the independent adviser on ministerial affairs [Sir Philip Mawer].”
    .
    I recall Craig writing before the Gus O’Donnell inquiry (if it can be called such) that a source close to O’Donnell, informed him that this was going to be rushed through and painted over with a wide, white brush. And that is exactly what happened, and what continues to happen. But I’m so gald that it is in the proprietary press (Mary doesn’t like mainstream).

  63. I’ve always suspected that far right BNP etc posters on sites like this are deliberately run by the Hasbara so that they can then discredit the site as being a nest of anti-semitism.

  64. CanSpeccy:
    “But it seems to be a general rule here, that any reference to the fraudulence of the BNP or the EDL triggers a smear attack. That’s quite interesting, isn’t it.”
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    Yes it is, but I found your claim that immigration amounts to genocide hysterical (in the literal sense), and that’s putting it kindly.

  65. Democracy is hypocrisy.
    What I mean by democracy is the form it exists here, which the white man imposes on what they call the lesser races by means of war and genocide.

    We the “lesser races” should find our own examples and roles models to set up a state system. One independent of the Judo-Christian, Greek Roman system whites claim to be inspired by.

    You have your system, derived from your history, your culture, your religion and way of life, and we need to derive our own from ours.
    So F your Democracy, it doesn’t even work in your own country.
    We need to seek our inspiration from our example, Our Prophet pbh and the book he came with, and the people who ruled after him.
    When we do set up a state, lets see whose system works better, and offers the people a way that is more representative.

    Your system is top down, you elect some people. And they get one with it, away from your site and mind.
    I believe our system is more bottom up.
    People in a house consult each other on how to run it, with one person leading.
    The leaders of Houses in a road consult each other on how to run the affairs of the road, with one person leading it.
    leaders of roads in a locality consult each other on the affairs of the locality with one person leading it.
    Leaders of localities –> cities and provinces.
    Cities and provinces states and countries.
    States and countries — the Khilafah

    That is our system, and I think it is better than yours

  66. Anno,

    Stephen was an English lawyer who was paid to disrupt the site. He took over from the US lawyer Larry who had the job previously.

  67. Hi johnf

    I tend to agree but please don’t dignify them as “posters.” They are “commenters”.

  68. “Stephen was an English lawyer who was paid to disrupt the site. He took over from the US lawyer Larry who had the job previously.”
    .
    I wondered about that. Larry disappeared and Stephen arrived. But he’s not very bright for a lawyer is he? I mean, I thought lawyers could spell, at least …

  69. “I tend to agree but please don’t dignify them as “posters.” They are “commenters”.”
    .
    There seems to be a little confusion around about “blogging”. The only one who “blogs” or “posts” here is Craig. What’s underneath are comments.

  70. Off topic slightly, but I’ve noticed recently that both You Tube and The Guardian seem to have a filtering system on their comments sections that prevent use of the word Zionist (in You Tube’s case in relation to overtly Zionist clips featuring Gould or any of our wonderful govt. ministers). The Guardian will also refuse to allow anything mentioning Libya.

  71. Canspeccy claimed not to know what the EDL was a couple of weeks ago. Now he’s fighting its corner? From Canada? Come on. More likely Mark Steyn in drag.

  72. Thanks Craig.
    What about me, can I get paid?

  73. Hi Craig, concerning your FOI request: Rather than think in financial terms it might be better to think “too costly to who?”.

  74. Anno:
    “What about me, can I get paid?”
    .
    Sure you can, visit a site like http://www.payperpostforum.com/ or http://www.qualityposts.com/PayPerPostPaidForumPosting.php, and pick your subject matter!
    .
    On all Internet forums there pop up, from time to time, contributors who are paid to post. You can spot them immediately: they always divert the debate to a single issue, they have a huge number of “facts” at their fingertips, and their arguments are articulate, but at the same time glib and evasive.

  75. Anno:
    “What about me, can I get paid?”
    .
    Sure you can, visit a site like http://www.payperpostforum.com/ or http://www.qualityposts.com/PayPerPostPaidForumPosting.php, and pick your subject matter!
    .
    On all Internet forums there appear, from time to time, contributors who are paid to post. You can spot them immediately: they always divert the debate to a single issue, they have a huge number of “facts” at their fingertips, and their arguments are articulate, but at the same time glib and evasive.

  76. Anno:
    “What about me, can I get paid?”
    .
    Sure you can, visit a pay-per-post site and pick your subject matter!
    .
    On all Internet forums there appear, from time to time, contributors who are paid to post. You can spot them immediately: they always divert the debate to a single issue, they have a huge number of “facts” at their fingertips, and their arguments are articulate, but at the same time glib and evasive.

  77. From the memory hole: another question that was never answered.
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    U.S. link to UK defence office

    Why does Defence Secretary Liam Fox have an American, Luke Coffey, with links to U.S. intelligence, working as his special adviser?

    When Labour MP and former armed forces minister Kevan Jones tabled a question about the nationality of the Government’s special advisers, it was blocked by Cabinet minister Francis Maude on the grounds that it was ‘personal’.

    Perhaps I am mistaken, but I don’t imagine there is a Brit working in the office of the U.S. Defence Secretary. Fox’s ‘special relationship’ warrants further inquiry.
    .
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1284520/PETER-MCKAY-Dave-plays-bad-cop-nice-Nick.html
    .
    “Personal?” WTF is personal about us paying for an American to work for a minister?

  78. [Continuing from previous comment] Also, they frequently resort to ridicule and insult of people who disagree with them, rather than addressing their arguments.

  79. Canspeccy
    Look, I gave you an explanation. I cannot give you an understanding.
    .
    You didn’t say anything about Question Time in your original comment. You said “The only party that stands against these wars…”. It’s not true, there are others.
    .
    Have considered anger management courses?

  80. Britain has long been controlled by Zionists (both Jews and Christians). It was British Foreign Secretary, Balfour, who played midwife to the Jewish state in Palestine in 1917. Since the establishment of Israel, Britain like the US has practically become a ‘colony’ of the Zionist regime.

    British current Prime Minister David Cameron boasted his Jewish family root while the Opposition is lead by Ed Milliband, 101% Jewish.

    British Foreign Secretary, William Hague, had assured the British Friends of Israel: “I am a natural friend of Israel”, and to prove it he asserted that “it would be a mistake to ever rule out military action against Iran”, reported by the Jewish Chronicle.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/05/13/hague-i-will-fight-iran-for-israel/

  81. Canspeccy
    I’ve now read your 2009 Guardian link re Nick Griffin. It doesn’t mention anything at all about opposing war. As far as I can see the reason people were expressing support for him had nothing to do with a position on war.
    .
    Your misrepresentations, followed by hostility and aggression and distortions when challenged, are getting to be predictable. Are you paid to disrupt the site too?

  82. Thanks for the info on Stephen Craig. I am not being wise after the event but I knew straight away what he was and what he was here to do. He knew that I knew. Some here were corresponded with him as if he was a genuine guy. Out with these scourges on humanity.
    .
    More from Medialens.
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    Posted by Neil Clark on November 27, 2011, 12:15 pm, in reply to “So is it now thus: Free cybermedia break a story; lamestream media HAVE to follow, finally? NOM”
    .
    Craig Murray deserves a medal for all the hard work he has done on this story. He certainly won’t be getting one from the government!
    .
    http://neilclark66.blogspot.com/2011/11/craig-murray-on-fox-werrity-and-gould.html

    .

    Re: So is it now thus: Free cybermedia break a story; lamestream media HAVE to follow, finally? NOM
    Posted by alquds43 on November 27, 2011, 1:09 pm, in reply to “Re: So is it now thus: Free cybermedia break a story; lamestream media HAVE to follow, finally? NOM”

    Well done Craig Murray.
    Well said Ken , RhG and Neil Clark.
    The cat is out of the bag!!
    Keep your eyes peeled, your ears unplugged and ENJOY

  83. Oddie,
    .
    $4.8 billion is in comparison to the $1.6 trillion that the US is spending each year on war and planning for war, that number is roughly what the Pentagon plans to spend over the next year on child care and youth programs, morale and recreation programs and commissaries on its bases!
    .
    Thank-you – Succinct comment and absolutely true – that sad fact has been pressed home in the latest UN vote on cluster munitions in which America refused an immediate ban and added clauses designed to weaken the 2008 Oslo agreement. Britain also supplies cluster bombs to Israel who dropped 1 million of them during the 3 day Lebanon cease-fire.
    .
    Around 10% of these bomblets fail to explode and normally end up dangling in trees, bushes and bombed buildings where their glittering metal-work attracts inquisitive children searching for anything to sell. 23% of maimed children in Iraq have lost their lives or limbs from these deadly bomblets and I believe these post-war booby traps are an intentional part of slaughtering civilians to achieve total capitulation way beyond a white flag.
    .
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1126/cluster_bomb.html

  84. UK special forces are the snipers in Libya, to shoehorn a jihadist-led revolt against Assad. Their purpose is to create a mess like Northern Ireland which cannot be unpicked for generations. Have we seen any movement in Afghanistan in the last ten years, except strengthening the Taliban and weakening security for civilians. The jihadist purpose is to take advantage of the divided society in order to bend it towards its own will, against their own inclination to freedom.
    The jihadists love dominating people because they have all been victims of government torture sponsored by guess who – the UK.
    They love the fruits of socialism, bringing up their families in the safety net of post socialist UK. The freedom they enjoy in this country is not their plan for the Muslim populations they conspire with the UK to control. And they will not succeed, because ordinary people have a brighter vision of Islam than their one, enslavement to corrupt mullahs who have very little understanding of or obedience to Islam. The only way for Islam to succeed is for Islam to reform, and for the mad political human wrecks of our illegal torture to be isolated – in Asylum – in the Victorian sense of the word, for a very long time.

  85. “Anno,

    Stephen was an English lawyer who was paid to disrupt the site. He took over from the US lawyer Larry who had the job previously.”

    This is of course libellous – and just demonstrates the very low standard of proof you employ to support your assertions. Might I suggest that those with an independent and sceptical cast of mind who still read this blog please remember that the inclination to lie and distort in order to make a case is someting that is not confined to the targets of this blog and that there are often alternative views that fit with neither view of the world.

    PS the Independent has not questioned why GOD lied – that is entirely your words not the Independent’s

  86. Stephen
    You sound more and more like a provincial solicitor who spends his time conning wealthy old ladies and defending youths who swear at policemen, which I have done in my time. Go back to the sticks where you belong and don’t forget to poison the tea. It helps them to die faster, reduces the risk of detection, and boosts cashflow.

  87. Ralph Mugglewump

    27 Nov, 2011 - 3:59 pm

    defending youths who swear at policemen
    .
    Youths have a perfect right to swear at policemen.

  88. Stephen
    This is of course libellous
    It’s not libellous because you’re anonymous on here. Once again your trolling gives you away; either very very dim or just argumentative for the sake of it.

  89. “Anyone who does not believe there is a fierce Tory cover-up of Gould’s role must watch this. Anyone who believes parliamentary democracy is still more than a sham should watch it too.”
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    .
    the issue is .. Camerons role and what did he know and when ..

  90. “Re: So is it now thus: Free cybermedia break a story; lamestream media HAVE to follow, finally? ”
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    .
    its what Alex Jones / inforwars uses, he has linked up with the most influential ‘alternative’ media .. from which the corporate media find it hard to ignore ..

  91. Lizard Brain Komodo said: “Canspeccy claimed not to know what the EDL was a couple of weeks ago. Now he’s fighting its corner?”
    .
    Don’t be a total twat.
    .
    I said: “I see Tommy Rotten, aka Stephen Yakuza-Lennon and the EDL are getting into the game, just to make sure the “far-right-wingism” label sticks to all those with the temerity to claim that they are “putting the interests of the British people first.”
    .
    Obviously you’re illiterate or a liar.
    .
    And, yes, I learned something about he EDL in the last couple of weeks. Looked them up, actually.

  92. And Anno, you seem to be another total twat:
    >
    “Canspeccy
    Your argument that we should pay attention to what the BNP put on the outside of the tin is pathetic.”
    .
    I said that the BNP was a state operation designed to smear opponents of imperialist wars as racists, etc. What’s hard to understand about that. And why when that is pointed out on this site does it generate a chorus of moronic accusations of racism, etc.? How many shills are there on this site, anyhow?

  93. Anon, for now I exempt you from the twat league of shills, and assign you to the division of morons with whom it is fatuous to argue because they cannot understand an argument. Very wise of you, I would say, to go under the pseudonym of “Anon.”

  94. In other words, Canspeccy is trolling again, resorting to name-calling rather than deal with the fact that he has posted plain untruths.
    .
    To make my point quite clear, here’s part of the manifesto of the Green Party. The Greens are not ‘derivative’ of the BNP.
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    http://www.greenparty.org.uk/policies/policies_2010/2010manifesto_international.html
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    You’ll see their policies include leaving NATO, withdrawing from Afghanistan and not attacking Iran.

  95. they cannot understand an argument
    .
    I was not responding to your argument. I didn’t think it was interesting enough to merit a response. I was pointing out that you made a false statement.

  96. Canspeccy: you also said:
    “But it seems to be a general rule here, that any reference to the fraudulence of the BNP or the EDL triggers a smear attack. That’s quite interesting, isn’t it.”
    .
    So you feel the EDL and BNP are hard done by. So you’re fighting their corner.
    There is absolutely no need to contradict yourself, old chap, or should I say buddy? We enjoy doing it for you.

  97. Alright, CanSpeccy (and everyone for that matter) – easy on the insults. Let’s have a spirited but civil discussion, shall we? Attacking each other doesn’t actually assist the understanding of a point, especially since some parties come from different political perspectives.

  98. This is a direct link to the video for those who do not have Silverlight (or the means to install it (e.g. on Linux))

    http://wms002.twofourdigital.net/UKParliament/Archive/0000017465.wmv

    If you have VLC or some program that plays network streams, you can use

    mms://wms002.twofourdigital.net/UKParliament/Archive/0000017465.wmv

    (MMS is Microsoft Media Server)

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