Joint Enterprise on Torture

by craig on January 27, 2012 12:25 pm in Uncategorized

The law is not blind in this country – “joint enterprise” is used almost exclusively against young black men. But I can see no reason why the principle of joint enterpirse should not apply equally to those who set the policy under which people were rendered to be tortured in Libya, rather than merely to the security service functionaries who carried out the policy. In my reading of joint enterprise, if Ministers can show they were not involved in signing off individual rendition permissions, they should still be guilty for having participated in the behaviour that made such results likely, indeed inevitable.

I have given evidence to parliament that I was told, officially, as a British Ambassador, that Jack Straw had initiated a policy of using intelligence obtained by torture. I also testified before parliament that this was an unacknowledged policy which I was told, officially, should not be discussed in writing. The government has at no stage attempted to deny the truth of my account. The government did not submit evidence to the Parliamentary committee to claim that my account was untrue. The government has nowhere stated that my evidence is untrue; they prefer to rely on private media briefings to claim, untruly, that I am mad and alcoholic.

I shall tell the police that those involved in rendering persons to be Libya to be tortured were doing so in keeping with a War on Terror torture intelligence programme authorised by Jack Straw. It is no secret what I will say; here I am saying it.

Of course, I realise that the Crown Prosecution Service and the Met will,three years hence, claim there were no grounds to prosecute anybody. I am not that naive. But the fact of a formal police investigation will force some attention on whether or not my account is true. Ignoring the facts and just being rude about me is less easy in a criminal investigation.

189 Comments

  1. ingo

    27 Jan, 2012 - 12:42 pm

    Craig, last paragraph above the video, ‘rendering persons to be Libya to be tortured? please change.

  2. lilian El-Doufani

    27 Jan, 2012 - 1:26 pm

    God bless you, mate. I worked like billyo to get Labour into power and they turned out to be nutters. Jack Straw is no better than a NAzi to have allowed all this to happen.

  3. Ronald the barfing donkey

    27 Jan, 2012 - 2:01 pm

  4. John Goss

    27 Jan, 2012 - 2:24 pm

    Jack Straw was gung-ho for the war in Iraq, so close to Tony Blair they were almost joined at the brain. I cannot believe Jack Straw acted alone. He and Blair are equally as culpable. If Blair did not know, he should have done.

  5. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    27 Jan, 2012 - 2:45 pm

    “President Obama has claimed, as President George W. Bush did before him, the right to order the killing of any citizen considered a terrorist or an abettor of terrorism. Last year, he approved the killing of U.S. citizen Anwar al-Awlaqi and another citizen under this claimed inherent authority. Last month, administration officials affirmed that power, stating that the president can order the assassination of any citizen whom he considers allied with terrorists.”
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    Ronald The Barfing Donkey – I judged it vital a paragraph from the your link is echoed here. Of course ‘allied’ can be affiliated, associated, connected, even married or made to appear that way by evidence and exhibits at one end of the spectrum or by torture, coercion or deception at the other.

  6. Azra

    27 Jan, 2012 - 3:48 pm

    We have a bunch of criminals as our elected politicians . with the exception of few, People did not care as long as their pocket was not effected, and will not care again if the economy improves.
    Once again I reitrate : people deserve their government…

  7. Uzbek in the UK

    27 Jan, 2012 - 4:00 pm

    Mr Murray,
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    It seems that it is not a case of few rogue individuals but the whole state (or at least security and intelligence related part of it) was involved in supporting and promoting torture. In this case as history teaches it is very little to no chance of any sort of investigation finding guilty and punishing them. Look at Henry Kissinger mass murderer and still influencial figure not only in the US but in many other countries. The same fate I am afraid is reserved to Straw and Blair. Unless of course something changes cardinally.

  8. lysias

    27 Jan, 2012 - 4:31 pm

    Since torture does not produce reliable intelligence, what was the purpose of the torture?

  9. Ed Davies

    27 Jan, 2012 - 4:33 pm

    I would have thought that ministerial involvement in such policies would be fairly critical to establishing whether the crimes were “systemic” rather than the acts of individuals or small parts of the government organizations which is, in turn, key to determining if these can be considered crimes against humanity, rather than individual crimes, and therefore under the jurisdiction of the ICC if the national criminal justice system proves ineffective, as looks likely to happen. Therefore, even if the police chose to ignore Craig’s evidence he is doing an excellent job in making it part of the public record.

  10. Uzbek in the UK

    27 Jan, 2012 - 4:37 pm

    “Since torture does not produce reliable intelligence, what was the purpose of the torture?”
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    To justify so called anti-terror measures. Such as military and financial support for karimov and him alike, to keep people indefinitely in Guantanamo Bay, to attack this country to attack that country. Torture serves its purpose very well indeed.

  11. Uzbek in the UK

    27 Jan, 2012 - 4:55 pm

    Of course Mr Murray has been doing an excellent job for at least last 9 years since he started in Uzbekistan. The tragedy is that despite there being few decent people in the FCO it is very unlikely that anyone would be willing to follow Mr Murray’s path after what had happened to him.

  12. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    27 Jan, 2012 - 5:23 pm

    I am puzzled – will the ‘large scale censorship’ and redaction be conveyed to the Met. In other words in a court of law, will the process require the original documents uncensored for clarity or are the responses ‘redacted’ because of a threat to national security, a breach of the Data Protection Act, advised by the British security services or just exempt information not requested?
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    I believe FOI rules should, where censorship is enforced or information redacted, make it mandatory to include a reference that gives the reader an explanation or reason for the censorship.

  13. Courtenay Barnett

    27 Jan, 2012 - 5:50 pm

    “…they prefer to rely on private media briefings to claim, untruly, that I am mad and alcoholic.”
    So that’s what they say about you – while I am called eccentric – but at least I am “sane” with just a mild amount of grog.
    Chuckle.

  14. Courtenay Barnett

    27 Jan, 2012 - 5:54 pm

    ” I believe FOI rules should, where censorship is enforced or information redacted, make it mandatory to include a reference that gives the reader an explanation or reason for the censorship.”

    In reply: “National security” will appear on each redacted line.

  15. Mary

    27 Jan, 2012 - 6:10 pm

    It makes me weep to read your words about the attempt to smear you. How dare they! The wickedness goes to the very depths.

  16. Azra

    27 Jan, 2012 - 6:36 pm

    @Mary, we should be thankful that they did not arrange for his “suicide”… Bastards

  17. Michael Stephenson

    27 Jan, 2012 - 6:47 pm

    http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9497946.Statue_targeted_in_vandal_attack/

    Anti semitism or Black Propoganda?
    Incidents like this make it easier to claim the UK has an anti-semtism problem and claim the coming anti-zionist protests during the prelude to the Iran war are “anti-semites”.

    Or it might just be mindless vandalism.

  18. Rose

    27 Jan, 2012 - 9:32 pm

    We need to change the language bandied about – decapitalise to start with; “Zionism” appears so much more important when it is given the staus of a proper noun. Why cant it become an adjective as in “zionist behaviour” – thus removing it from association with a particular ethnic group.

    “Mafia” seems more acceptable – though no doubt somebody will put me right on that! – and I’ve no idea what the adjectival form of that word is.

    Anyway here’s my definition: any behaviour from the powerful which seeks to defame,deny,denigrate, dispossess,de-humanise and dispose of the powerless.

  19. Fedup

    27 Jan, 2012 - 10:53 pm

    Michael Stephenson,
    You were right, this is now an antisemitic incident, despite the police statement to the contrary. The facts before us are, in an era many yonks past the WWII, to find such a keen historical knowledge, which only an expert could boast of being in the knowledge of, that is put to ill use; smacks only of an insider job.
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    Lets face it, kids these days think Churchill was a dog, and Hitler won the second world war. None of our home grown thugs know, or even care to know about the events so far in the past.
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    On the other hand these kind of Hoaxes can be useful to a certain tribal chiefs who are desperately trying to keep their flock together, and scaring the crap out of them is the easiest way.
    ,
    On this Holocaust remembrance day, Media does not publicise the unions calls for: Holocaust Memorial Day is opportunity to end to discrimination, says TUC.
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    The day aims to remind people of the crimes, racism and loss of life during the Holocaust in World War II and prevent it ever being forgotten or repeated. It also remembers more recent genocides in Cambodia, Bosnia, Rwanda and Darfur, and has been held annually in the UK since 2001.
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    On the same day a black south African girl 25 catching the metro gets punched on the face and racially abused by a thug boarding the metro in Jarrow North East.

  20. Lloyd

    27 Jan, 2012 - 10:56 pm

    you have a real point about Straw and Blair but all that anti-zionism stuff ruins it. Soz.

  21. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    28 Jan, 2012 - 12:47 am

    Thanks Courtenay – Tom Secker is always good with the grog – Here’s ‘Crime and Prejudice’ in lieu of a fee. ;)
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFllLvhgYm8
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  22. Mary

    28 Jan, 2012 - 5:34 am

    ‘Sniper’ seems to be a word in common currency. We have just heard about the US super sniper, Chris Kyle, and his book. SEAL Sniper Chris Kyle Tells O’Reilly His Thoughts on Enemy Iraqis.
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    You, our audience, are probably quite familiar with the military’s deadliest sniper by now. We’ve done two stories on Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, the man who has killed more people as a sniper than anyone else any other American, and who once punched Jesse Venture in a bar. And he’s starting to make the rounds. In fact, he joined Bill O’Reilly in a segment that aired Thursday to explain his thoughts on the enemy. And did you really expect him to hold back? He didn’t.
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    In his new book, “American Sniper,” Kyle refers to enemy Iraqis as “savages.” He told O’Reilly why:
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    “The way they live day-to-day as far as the violence they commit on American troops – the beheadings, the rape of innocent villagers and townspeople, just to intimidate them. They live by putting fear into other people’s hearts. Civilized people just don’t act that way.”
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    “I’m killing them to protect my fellow Americans,” he added, and made it clear that, “It’s not a problem taking out someone who wants your people dead. That’s not a problem at all.” (Blaze.com)

    NO IRONY!
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    Now we have Adelson, Gingrich’s funder, with his aspirations for his son.
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    Billionaire Gingrich backer Adelson regrets he served in US instead of Israeli military

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    27 January 2012
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    Billionaire Sheldon Adelson, who along with his wife, has
    donated $10 million dollars in recent weeks to Republican
    presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich, has said that he
    wishes he had served in the Israeli army instead of the US
    military and that he wants his son to grow up to “be a
    sniper for the IDF.”
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    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/billionaire-gingrich-backer-adelson-regrets-he-served-us-instead-israeli-military

  23. leo

    28 Jan, 2012 - 10:12 am

    After having watched all of the videos I find that I no longer have time to read the comments. So my apologies to those posters of interesting comments that deserve a response. I just want to say, Craig, that you truly are an honourable man of principle. I am honoured to be able to comment on your blog and I am proud that you have chosen to be Scottish.

  24. tigger1

    28 Jan, 2012 - 10:14 am

    @Lysias
    “Since torture does not produce reliable intelligence, what was the purpose of the torture?”

    not defending the torture, I would like to ask: what is the evidence for such a statement?
    for interrogators the only useless victim is one who refuses to speak at all. most people are not so strong. some prisoners want to be clever and provide misinformation. but with repeated interrogations they are unable to maintain the integrity of fabricated story. also subconsciously they can pass some information in the form of “keywords” which allow to dig further and confront other prisoners.

    apart from the situation when interrogators really care about quality of information, very often they would be happy with anything fuelling witchhunt – to justify their own job and to maintain the state of terror.

  25. Azra

    28 Jan, 2012 - 10:27 am

    Everyone should watch this short video by David Duke, ex member of House of Rep in USA.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_qxzZY4JycY#!

  26. guano

    28 Jan, 2012 - 12:31 pm

    This week I was working at a water borehole in Shropshire and it reminded me of my Chemistry ‘o’ Level. When I was a bookbinder we used to bleach out foxing on paper. The pH scale is corrosive at both ends, Acid and Alkali, and we used to counteract the burning action of the bleach with a mild acid in those days.
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    It’s the same in politics. You use extreme, corrosive force such as rendition, and counteract it with other measures such as giving lots of benefits to Muslims, or getting AlQaida to fight for your colonial objectives in Bosnia Afghanistan Libya etc.
    On the acidic end of the pH scale, we are not living, thank God, under the Papal rule of Medeival times, or Soviet or Chinese communism, in which your people, their history, their aspirations are completely erased in an acid bath, leaving only the gall stones.
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    One would hope that, in spite of the West’s agenda to curb Islam and adapt it to christian purposes by whatever chemical processes corrosive and counter-corrosive, the quintessential Truth of the divinely revealed Qur’an will remain to rejuvenate the humanity and spirituality of future generations. Whether they are English or Chinese or Russian or African or American.
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    Human beings become sickened by oppression and do not cure easily. Above all the Qur’an is the medicine for oppression, because it details the oppression of Zionism, the oppression of those who worship the statues or institutions they have created by their own hands, and the oppression of the human upon his/her own soul by forgetting to believe in and worship God and do righteous good deeds to other human beings.

  27. Fedup

    28 Jan, 2012 - 1:18 pm

    Iranian parliament is to legislate for sanctions on Europe, by stopping the government from any sales of oil to Europe. This move in effect will be shutting down seventy refineries across Europe.
    ,
    I was the first to bring to the attention of all on this blog at the time of demise of Coryton; I have explained the hastily put together sanctions are the first ever sanctions in history to hurt the Sanctioneers first.
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    As anticipated no mention of these developments in the Media.

  28. Guest

    28 Jan, 2012 - 1:25 pm

  29. ingo

    28 Jan, 2012 - 1:44 pm

    Guano, do explain your singleing out of the Quo’ran as the most oppressive religion.
    “Above all the Qur’an is the medicine for oppression, because it details the oppression of Zionism, the oppression of those who worship the statues or institutions they have created by their own hands, and the oppression of the human upon his/her own soul by forgetting to believe in and worship God and do righteous good deeds to other human beings.”

    Far from going into the nitty gritty of the quo’ran, I challengwe you to explain why catholicism and Christianity, their zealous oppression of libertarians such as Dr. Kueng and many South American scholars/priests wanting for a humane reform of a medieval doctrine for humanitarian reasons mainly, why these religions and their ‘manuals’ are less oppressive.

    Maybe you would like to start with the ecclastical ranks within Opus Dei and how they are kept inline to keep the faith, explain were it is said in the biblwe that painfull self castigation will bring bliss to your mind and get you on to the righteous path. Mind you cannot talk to the boss directly, you have to use his go betweens. dare you not to starin form this path or hell fire and damnation, fear and loatghing will follow your wrtched life until you descend to hell.

    Loving words allround. How can catholicims, responsible for multiple death in deeply religous countries that follow this faith, for lack of condoms, water, dying from poverty and deprivation of the worst kind, how can this so called religion be less oppresive than the Quo’ran? Its daft to play out one religion against the other thats tabloid stuff. They are as bad as each other, prescriptive dogma ridden bullying to make one follow a prevailing thought. I agree which whatever communist said it first, be it Marx or Engels, religion is the opium of the masses and it has misled generations after generations, so lets not make oppression the vestige of a single religous thought and book.

    Should you not be able to point out the reasoning behind your boisterous assumption here, I suggest you level your arguments somewhat, apologise or be so kind to refrain from such like in future and/or keep to boreholes.

  30. Anon

    28 Jan, 2012 - 2:20 pm

    That Tommy Sheridan gagging story is currently the 2nd most popular story on the BBC News website http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-16773620

  31. Vronsky

    28 Jan, 2012 - 2:24 pm

    Like other posters I can’t see the point of torture. If the intent is merely to generate false evidence for a pre-determined course of action then surely bribery is a cheaper and more reliable method – note the substantial amount paid to Tony Gauci in order to win his testimony against Megrahi in the Lockerbie case. In certain circumstances I can see that torture might be used not to elicit information but to cow a community, such as in German occupied France. However this requires that there is such a community and people within it who can identify some behaviours and opinions which are dangerous. US/UK use of torture doesn’t fit with this – the victims as individuals seem random. I can only understand it as a deliberate strategy to offend and outrage the Muslim world.

  32. kingfelix

    28 Jan, 2012 - 3:45 pm

    @vronsky

    There is one explanation. Muslims are the vanguard. Later, the same international extralegal installations can be used to process a wider range of clients.

    Capacity-building. Diversification. A cure for all forms of dissent.

  33. kingfelix

    28 Jan, 2012 - 3:55 pm

    Redux. Extraordinary rendition. Build it and they will come.

  34. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    28 Jan, 2012 - 4:01 pm

    Lysias said, “what was the purpose of the torture?” –
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    We always portray a ‘window’ that reveals and indeed focuses on the wickedness, barbarity and nefariousness of physical torture.
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    In reality this is only ‘stage one’ of the ‘softening-up’ process, making the tortured receptive to ‘suggestion.’ – ‘Part two’ is the ‘clean stage’ or ‘gentleman’ stage when for instance a British security agent(s) complete the compliance by quietly threatening the detainee or ‘illegal combatants’ with threats to murder/torture their families.
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    Camp Delta has provided this evidence from those released ‘without charge’ – and now willing to talk knowing their families are safe.
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    Here we witness the ‘gentleman’ stage with Omar Khadr, a child who repeatedly cried for his mother.
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    An unclassified army manual called ‘Human Intelligence Collector Operations’ appears to legitimise the process in Chapter eight, Interrogation Techniques; we must however appreciate that the HUMINT collection strategy does NOT apply to the thugs in the British Secret Service ‘Kidon philosophy’ assassin group.
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    Best remember under the Intelligence Services Act of 1994, MI6 officers have immunity from prosecution for crimes committed outside Great Britain.

  35. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    28 Jan, 2012 - 4:13 pm

    The process of torture can even be started by a mere email.
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    An email strangely routed through Pakistan to obfuscate the origin was sent to me warning that failure to reply would result in my execution if I left the house after 8pm in the evening.

  36. Azra

    28 Jan, 2012 - 4:53 pm

    Mark, I recall that once a woman (distant relative) who had been tortured in Iran, was telling me that each time she was sent to back to her cell, she would think about what she should tell them next time and would think about it over and over again, and practice it , repeat it in her mind so she would not contradict herself . She said she told them made up stuff and repeated that to them so many times that they believed her. She was beaten and electrocuted many times, maybe not as much as a man would be tortured (cultural sensibilities!), all the same what she went through was beyond endurance. Proof that lot of so called “information” obtained under torture are not reliable, a person who is tortured will tell the torturer anything they want to hear. We have heard that over and over again, yet torture is becoming more wide spread rather than less. One would think they just want to have someone to blame, it does not matter whether that someone is the right person or not.

  37. nuid

    28 Jan, 2012 - 5:18 pm

    The Bush/Cheney gang re-opened the door to a debate on the ‘usefulness’ and morality of torture, a door which had been firmly closed. And for that alone I despise every last one of them.

  38. Jives

    28 Jan, 2012 - 5:38 pm

    @ Nuid,
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    “The Bush/Cheney gang re-opened the door to a debate on the ‘usefulness’ and morality of torture, a door which had been firmly closed. And for that alone I despise every last one of them.”
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    Completely agree.Well said.

  39. Mary

    28 Jan, 2012 - 6:02 pm

    Cowper Coles and Fox of the Standard (nasty warmonger) discuss Karzai’s visit.
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    Afghan drawdown ‘will be hard to manage’
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    President Hamid Karzai will be in London today meeting David Cameron as the ten year mission in Afghanistan is drawing to an end.

    Sir Sherard Cowper-Coles, former British ambassador to Afghanistan, told Today presenter John Humphrys that Mr Cameron’s agenda should put a “political roof” on the house the military have started to build so successfully.
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    Robert Fox, defence correspondent of the Evening Standard, believed that the security map of Afghanistan is very difficult to understand in military terms as there are many local conflicts. It will be very hard to manage a “smooth draw down” and David Cameron will pledge training and support, but the UK will not be left “holding the baby” in Helmand, he added.
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    Sir Sherard believed that the UK is in the “foothills” of a political process with a “mountain to climb”. There remains an “enormous” amount to do but all the building blocks are being put in place, he explained.

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9688000/9688615.stm
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    Good Imperial stuff. Cowper Coles spoke of Cameron wanting to set up a military academy in Afghan. They have not the brain or the heart to see that a medical, nursing or good law school for district judges would be welcomed and would help. Pure evil.

    PS China is the new bogey man btw.

  40. guano

    28 Jan, 2012 - 6:39 pm

    Ingo
    ‘Maybe you would like to start with the ecclastical ranks within Opus Dei and how they are kept inline to keep the faith, explain were it is said in the bible that painfull self castigation will bring bliss to your mind and get you on to the righteous path.’
    The doctrine of spiritual growth through self-deprivation is not part of Judaism, Christianity or Islam. Sufism refers to the wearing of souf/wool, which many of our medieval kings did in order to chastise themselves for the power they exercised through brutality and fear. Did Jesus pbuh not chastise his listeners for mistreating the weak, on the basis that God’s mercy would fall on those who themselves showed mercy. The Jews of his day were busy getting into polytheism, magic, POWER, sacrificial cults etc and when they complained about being subjected to Roman brutality he told them to reform themselves.
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    Human beings have a tendency to dispose of guilt by blaming others. The doctrine of hell-fire of the divine scriptures has always been mis-used to increase persecution, when it is used by political minds in a political way to achieve political ends.
    in the Qur’an we are told that it will lead many astray, and guide many, but it does not lead astray anyone who is not already an oppressor/wrongdoer.
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    If you want a magic wand, or eat a bit of special food, or anything else which is a quick-fix formula, without having to reach into your conscience of right and wrong, or think what God would likeus to do, I suggest you buy an electronic pipe detector to decide where to drill your boreholes.
    I use my conscience + the divine scriptures + the advice of knowleable scholars, including the hadith of the prophet, peace be upon him. I will never follow anything that my heart does not confirm. What’s the point of torturing someone, and drawing eternal hell-fire on oneself, for the sake of a seat in Parliament and a few bungs to buy houses, holidays and cars?
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    That’s what was so unreal about the JCHR hearing, to witness the UK pariamentarians actually believing that talking politely, and wearing respectable clothes, in the veneer of Parliamentary tradition, would somehow absolve them from the horrendous crime of condoning torture. You could almost see the flames emanating from their bodies and clothes. Please don’t mock hell-fire. It is very real and very near.

  41. Clark

    28 Jan, 2012 - 6:52 pm

    Ingo and Guano, you are at crossed-purposes. Ingo, Guano was Anno. In his 28 Jan, 12:31 pm comment he wrote “because it details the oppression of Zionism”, by which he meant oppression performed by Zionism, rather than oppression inflicted upon Zionism.

  42. Mary

    28 Jan, 2012 - 6:59 pm

    Excellent letter to Ashton from Annette Groth, German MEP.
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    To

    Mrs. Catherine Ashton

    High Representative of the European

    Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy

    European Commission

    Rue de la Loi 200

    B-1049 Brussels
    Annette Groth, MdB

    Menschenrechtspolitische Sprecherin

    Platz der Republik 1

    11011 Berlin

    Berlin, 26.11.2011

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    Madam High Representative,

    .
    I’m writing to you to express my concern with regard to the next meeting of the council of the EU-Israel Association Agreement, which will discuss and decide upon the unfreeze of the upgrading of the EU-Israeli relations, and in particular about putting the ACAA protocol again on INTA’s agenda.
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    As spokesperson for human rights of the left party in the German parliament I have closely followed the human rights situation in Israel over the past years. It seems clear to me that, according to Article 2 of the Association Agreement, the upgrading has to remain frozen. In fact, because of the human rights record of the Israeli government and the deteriorating situation for human rights organizations in Israel, the EU should consider to suspend the agreement.

    .

    As you are aware, the EU has firmly condemned Israel’s policy of illegal settlements, the continuous blockade of Gaza and house demolitions in East Jerusalem on several occasions. You have yourself written several press releases, in which you condemn human rights abuses, in particular with regard to the violation of the rights of Israeli and Palestinian human rights defenders.

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    By unfreezing the upgrading, the EU would send wrong signals to both the Israeli government and the international human rights community: Unfreezing the upgrading would mean to reward the Israeli government for its human rights violations instead of holding it accountable by enforcing article 2 of the agreement. By granting such an explicit support despite numerous and internationally recognized Israeli violations of international law, the EU finds itself complicit in those violations.

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    Instead, the EU should play a much more active role in promoting the protection of human rights in all her relations with third states.

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    I therefore urge you to put an end to the context of impunity that Israel enjoys and to advocate for the suspension of the EU-Israel Association Agreement and Israeli participation in EU programs as long as Israel does not comply with International Law, International Human Rights Law and the Association Agreement itself (article 2 and art. 83).

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    I look forward to your reply and remain

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    With kind regards

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    Annette Groth, MdB

    Menschenrechtspolitische Sprecherin

    Platz der Republik 1

    11011 Berlin

  43. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    28 Jan, 2012 - 7:20 pm

    Guano – a thoughtful post – the ‘magic’ was of course the alliance between Basemath and King Abijah. The ‘spell’ survives to this day.

  44. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    28 Jan, 2012 - 7:50 pm

    Mary,
    .
    I heard Ashton rebuffed Annette’s concern, although I cannot find a source. Meanwhile this from ynet:
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    British Ambassador to the UN Mark Grant accused Israel of employing violence in the territories and called on the Jewish state to halt all settlement construction, including in east Jerusalem.
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    Germany’s UN ambassador, Peter Wittig, said Israel was attempting to detach east Jerusalem from the West Bank, a move he claimed would make the establishment of a Palestinian state impossible.
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    In his response to the criticism, Israeli Ambassador Ron Prosor told the Security Council, “The primary obstacle to peace is not settlements. The primary obstacle to peace is the so-called ‘claim (right) of return.’ Let me repeat that: the major hurdle to peace is the Palestinian’s insistence on the so-called ‘claim of return.’”

  45. alexno

    28 Jan, 2012 - 8:18 pm

    Just a small organisational request, to think about.
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    Would it be possible to put links to latest comments on the right, as in http://www.moonofalabama.org/?
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    Yours is a blog where people are likely to add comments to previous posts at a later date. Nobody is going to read them, if not signalled in some way.

  46. Jon

    28 Jan, 2012 - 8:24 pm

    @Azra – I watched the David Duke video, and most of his points are in themselves quite correct. I think his analysis of the ‘Zionist media’ is wrong though – the quality of US/UK media output is poor because it is corporate, not because there are cabals of editors all nodding obediently at AIPAC. I subscribe to Herman and Chomsky’s Propaganda theory, which I find to be much more satisfying as an explanation.
    .
    But that all aside, I wouldn’t posit David Duke as a spokesperson on anything. He is right on the Iran question but he is a racist nutter who barely commands respect outside of the American far right. Surely there is a better authority we can turn to? Juan Cole, for instance?

  47. Azra

    28 Jan, 2012 - 8:49 pm

    Jon, that is the point, he is a far right nutter, yet even a far right nutter has realized that what a disaster it is to attack Iran. I mean you expect liberals and lefties not support the war, but you expect a far right one to agree otherwise. don’t you think?

  48. Jon

    28 Jan, 2012 - 9:02 pm

    I see what you mean, but although most Republicans have extreme perspectives by any fair-minded definition of centre, nevertheless I imagine Duke to be a step too far for them. I don’t think his having an anti-war view will have any effect on the “mainstream” American Right at all. Maybe some of the tea-partiers, perhaps.
    .
    I’d say Ron Paul is probably economically at the same position as Duke, but Paul’s never been a Wizard of the KKK. Still probably a racist, mind you, but one that stands a better chance of being listened to.

  49. Mary

    28 Jan, 2012 - 9:15 pm

    Ref Juan Cole. Wonder what he says now about Libya as it descends into anarchy and chaos? His defence of NATO was unforgivable.
    .
    Libya
    Cole supported the NATO/American intervention in Libya in 2011, and criticized those on the left that did not support it.
    .
    and
    .
    Writing for CounterPunch, John Walsh and editor/commentator Alexander Cockburn described Cole as being an advisor to the CIA and Walsh referred to Cole as a “humanitarian hawk.”

    David North, writing on the World Socialist Web Site has strongly criticized Cole’s defense of the US/NATO Libyan intervention, claiming an inconsistency between Cole’s 2006 opposition to the “wholesale destruction of all of Lebananon by Israel and the US Pentagon” as part of a broader strategy to acquire control of the major sources of oil and natural gas, and Cole’s 2011 statement that “I haven’t seen the war-for-oil argument made for Libya in a manner that makes any sense at all.”
    .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Cole

  50. Levantine

    28 Jan, 2012 - 9:53 pm

    “Aid agency Medecins Sans Frontieres has halted its work in detention centres in a Libyan city because it said its medical staff were being asked to patch up detainees mid-way through torture sessions so they could go back for more abuse.”
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0126/libya.html
    .
    Where is Kouchner to raise the hell about this?

  51. Levantine

    28 Jan, 2012 - 10:02 pm

    Jon: “I’d say Ron Paul is probably economically at the same position as Duke, but Paul’s never been a Wizard of the KKK. Still probably a racist, mind you, but one that stands a better chance of being listened to.”
    .
    I just can’t believe what you (and other people) are dealing with. There is no evidence of RP’s racism, there is evidence (not sure if it’s conclusive) of racism of some of his supporters from two decades ago. And it’s astonishing that people can discuss alleged racism of a candidate disfavoured by the media when the main issue is whether the USA is going to survive, in fact.

  52. Mary

    28 Jan, 2012 - 10:56 pm

    Not only death, destruction and mayhem but polio too. Brought to Afghanistan by the US and the ‘coalition of the willing’. Who was it who said ‘Suffer little children to come unto me’?
    .
    A Deadly Comeback
    Polio in Afghanistan
    by CATHERINE WILKERSON, MD
    .
    Polio forever seared two images in my mind. That may account for my reaction to the story in the January 17th New York Times, “After Years of Decline, Polio Cases in Afghanistan Triple in a Year”.

    [...]
    .
    Where armed conflict exists, the strategy to combat polio, buttressed by muddled analysis such as that in the NY and LA Times articles, consists of calls for “Days of Tranquility” and safe corridors so that public health workers, often risking their lives for a pittance in compensation, can carry out vaccination campaigns. Are brief ceasefires the best we can hope for in the struggle to stop this completely preventable, devastating disease?
    .
    The tripling of polio cases in Afghanistan and its spread to many countries previously polio-free are the consequences of over 10 years of war waged by the US and its allies against Afghanistan, and of the undeclared US war against Pakistan. The stricken children will sear their images in our country’s legacy.
    .

    Dr. CATHERINE WILKERSON, MD, is a primary care physician in Michigan.

    .
    PS The author is known to me and others who joined a petition to prevent a pro Zionist group on the board of the public health clinic where she worked who were trying to deprive her of her job. The story is told in brief here {http://arborwiki.org/city/Catherine_Wilkerson}

  53. Courtenay Barnett

    29 Jan, 2012 - 2:27 am

    @Mark Golding,

    “Thanks Courtenay – Tom Secker is always good with the grog – Here’s ‘Crime and Prejudice’ in lieu of a fee”

    I watched it. Sometimes truth can be stranger than fiction.

    The video is worth its weight in glod. No fee note this time.
    Cheers.
    Courtenay

  54. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    29 Jan, 2012 - 2:28 am

    Thank-you Mary, so upsetting, it has compelled me to look again at Iraq although the UNICEF immunisation program gave hope to a *near polio free (*wild poliovirus) population.

  55. anon

    29 Jan, 2012 - 3:33 am

    don’t understand y the link 2 that simplistic fascist apologist cole. y not link 2 rick santorum 2 craig?

  56. Leo

    29 Jan, 2012 - 5:27 am

    I appreciated the link to David Duke. Looking at his recent work he appears not to be a right-wing nutter but someone who – having been a figure in the KKK as a young man – has now recanted that early period of his life but has never been allowed to forget because of constant media pressure. Whether such media pressure is because of zionist or corporation control (as with the ZBC) might be open to debate, but the head of every major news organisation in the USA, other than the delightful Mr Murdoch, is Jewish. Duke’s interview with Wolf Blitzer was revealing. Blitzer introduced Duke as the former head of the KKK.Duke responded that Blitzer was a former lobbyist for AIPAC but, of course, that has never gained any traction. After listening to him, more people should be linking to his erudite videos without fear, and ignoring the constant propaganda that he is a racist, right wing nutter. See:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM9WBS1q6k8

  57. Mary

    29 Jan, 2012 - 8:57 am

    Only 400 of us were outside the US Embassy yesterday.
    http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=27366
    .
    The PM we never had, John McDonnell said:

    .
    “This is a dangerous situation. We must not allow them to get away with starting more wars of destruction across the globe. We stand in solidarity with the people struggling for justice in these countries.”

    .
    A bit of a get out in the last sentence though.

  58. Mary

    29 Jan, 2012 - 9:07 am

    What a scandal. I saw one of those wrongfully imprisoned for Lynette White’s murder speaking the other day. He said that the faith he pnce had in British justice has been destroyed. The police involved will not go to trial again unless the principle of double jeopardy is resorted to.
    .
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/29/call-for-inquiry-into-south-wales-police

    In December, the case was halted against eight former detectives accused of fabricating evidence and perverting the course of justice in a trial for the 1988 murder of Lynette White. It was halted after prosecutor Nicholas Dean told the court: “Deliberate destruction of documents by the senior investigating officer appears to have occurred.” The case cost an estimated £30m and took almost 10 years to come to court. Then, last week, the Independent Police Complaints Commission announced that the documents had not been shredded. It demanded to know why the South Wales police had claimed they had been.
    .
    The South Wales police has form. For the past decade, it has been trying to regain a reputation for integrity and fairness after a shockingly high number of miscarriages of justice occurred on its patch over the previous 20 years. These include the wrongful convictions of Jonathan Jones, Annette Hewins, the Darvell brothers, and the so-called Cardiff Three – Stephen Miller, Yusef Abdullahi and Tony Paris – for White’s death. Some of those who were wrongly imprisoned will never put their lives back together; others remain free who have committed murder.
    .
    /…

  59. Vronsky

    29 Jan, 2012 - 11:38 am

    “others remain free who have committed murder.”
    .
    This is one of the very strong arguments against capital punishment (I’ve a feeling we might be needing them again). The ‘justice’ system is extremely reluctant to admit error where people have been wrongfully imprisoned- they are even less inclined where an innocent person has been executed, and so the real guilty party roams forever free, or at least free of that particular indictment.
    .
    Who really did 7/7? Who really did the Lockerbie Bombing? Who really killed David Kelly? Who really did 9/11? Despite the numerous accused, imprisoned, abducted, executed, tortured and disappeared, the true perpetrators remain at large, and that’s frightening. On reflection, maybe it’s supposed to be.

  60. Clark

    29 Jan, 2012 - 12:02 pm

    Anyone remember this from Not the Nine O’Clock News?
    .
    All out superpower confrontation
    All out superpower confrontation
    If I had a bomb and a ‘plane to drop it from
    I’d drop it on you, world leaders
    I’ve had it up to here with your verbal diarrhoea
    You power crazy bleeders
    .
    All out superpower confrontation
    All out superpower confrontation
    Wouldn’t give a toss if a bit of chaos went your way
    Wouldn’t feel remorse if a little holocaust got you
    Wouldn’t it be nice if a nuclear device
    Had landed on you all, at Tito’s funeral, procession
    Jimmy Carter must’ve known – that’s why he stayed at home
    .
    (clapping on off-beat begins)
    If, I, had a bomb and a ‘plane, to, drop it from
    I’d drop it on you, world leaders
    Drop it on you, world leaders
    If, I, had a bomb and a ‘plane, to, drop it from
    (there’d be an)
    all out superpower confrontation
    All out superpower confrontation
    .
    (song ends with the sound and image of a nuclear explosion)

  61. TFS

    29 Jan, 2012 - 12:08 pm

    Off Topic: PressTV removal from Sky (UK)

    Craig, any views on the removal of PressTV from Sky(UK).

  62. nuid

    29 Jan, 2012 - 12:50 pm

    Insufferable chutzpah and lies:
    .
    “Peres: Iran is the most morally corrupt nation on Earth”
    .
    By JPOST.COM STAFF 01/28/2012
    .
    Iran is the most morally corrupt nation on Earth, President Shimon Peres told CNN’s Richard Quest on Saturday.
    .
    The president said on top of the nuclear danger presented by the Islamic Republic’s secretive nuclear program, the issue with Iran is a “matter of values.”
    .
    Peres accused the regime in Tehran of hanging people without cause, sending arms and money for terror, cheating and lying.
    .
    “Human rights, now, should be put in the center,” Peres said, responding to a question of Quest’s on how the international community should handle the Iranian threat. [my emphasis - N]
    .
    Peres said the situation vis a vis the international community’s engagement with the Islamic Republic has changed since Europe sanctioned Iranian crude, and the US passed sanctions on Iran’s central bank.
    .
    Still, Peres said “I would tell the Iranian people, save your own country. It’s in your hands.”
    .
    He added that he “was not calling for a revolution.”
    .
    http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=255505

  63. nuid

    29 Jan, 2012 - 2:10 pm

    “capital punishment”
    .
    AmnestyUSA, 25 January:
    ‘Joe D’Ambrosio is free. He spent more than 20 years on death row, and almost two more years waiting while the state of Ohio – whose prosecutors had withheld key evidence from his defense – tried to go after him again. Finally, the U.S. Supreme Court closed the book on his case. Joe D’Ambrosio is the 140th person exonerated from U.S. death rows since 1973, and the 6th from Ohio …’
    http://blog.amnestyusa.org/deathpenalty/ohio-produces-nations-140th-death-row-exoneration/

  64. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    29 Jan, 2012 - 2:11 pm

    Nuid,
    .
    “I would tell the Iranian people, save your own country. It’s in your hands.”
    .
    We appreciate here that rhetoric embraces the seed of destruction; sown again regardless, a futile attempt to exploit a genuine ‘Arab Spring;’ witness Syria where foreign fighters salaried and armed by the West, divide and rule by fire.
    .
    I say to them take a look at the fruits of your deception in Libya, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Africa; the tests of laws to deprive liberty in Poland and murder in Iran of those whose knowledge is presumed a threat. These control psychopaths weave their crazy charades in a barren and sterile quest, a pursuit of world power. Motivated and slaved to the material.
    .
    Like a fox hunt, such a nefarious game can only end in pain, suffering and torment of the innocent, families in mourning for those deprived of life and the joy of giving back the love held from those who nurture not destroy.

  65. Jon

    29 Jan, 2012 - 2:50 pm

    @Levantine – I don’t have any axe to grind wrt Ron Paul, but it seems to me that he could have distanced himself firmly from his old newsletters, and that would draw a line under it. But I am not sure he has recanted. I think his idea that market forces can determine what discriminations are permissible is hugely regressive however, and that this would engender a resurgent racism (and sexism and homophobia) if it ever came to pass.
    .
    I agree with you that both sides of the corporate party divide will smear him or ignore him in an effort to get people back on the ‘two party horse’. Ditto media behaviour, which will have the same effect.
    .
    However I don’t think his liberal/left supporters – and he does have some of those – are aware how truly frightening his economic policies actually are. He advocates a sort of economic anarchism in which charity and welfare is pushed to the church, and so is regressive both in terms of inequality and in terms of granting religion more de facto societal control. This is proper ‘Chigago Boys’ shock-and-awe policy; I suspect his foreign policies would save hundreds of thousands of innocent lives abroad, and condemn hundreds of thousands of lives at home to misery and destitution.
    .
    On that basis – and I should stress that I do sympathise with the plight of the ordinary American – should we encourage a Ron Paul vote just so they limit the damage to their own country? If I were a US voter I’d really struggle on this one.

  66. Jon

    29 Jan, 2012 - 2:52 pm

    @Leo – have you a source for the claim that Duke “has now recanted that early period of his life [membership of the KKK]“? I should be interested to read more about that – thanks.

  67. Leo

    29 Jan, 2012 - 3:33 pm

  68. AS

    29 Jan, 2012 - 4:17 pm

    good initiative Mr Murray. I understand now the need to replace this debate on the public place… the joint enterprise is coming back cause straw, hague, cameron and the millibands are the dogs of war… this looks like that the next war is Lebanon-Syria in February 2012… so to silence the Muslims or dissidents in the UK, torture was allowed to terrorize people only and create a climate of terror, that led to the July 2005 operations …

  69. Jack

    29 Jan, 2012 - 4:28 pm

    @ Michael Stephenson – Anti semitism or Black Propoganda? … Or it might just be mindless vandalism…
    .
    Who did it hardly matters – personally I wouldn’t put it past Mr Plod on ‘special duties’.
    .
    With Zionists and their neocon allies equating – and being allowed to equate – anti-zionism with anti-semitism – sectarianism is once again as inevitable as it is planned. It’s been successful enough against millions of law-abiding muslims. And – as ever – it suits more than one side.
    .
    In my opinion, Zionism is – ultimately – the most anti-semitic force on the planet. Even more so when the wider meaning of semitic is considered.

  70. Mary

    29 Jan, 2012 - 4:40 pm

    Ban Ki Moon, the USUKIsNATO stooge (remember Libya) is once again doing his masters’ bidding.
    .
    UN chief: Syrian president must end bloodshed
    January 29, 2012
    .

    UN chief Ban Ki-moon said Sunday that President Bashar al-Assad, whose regime had absolute control over Syria until a sustained and increasingly violent challenge to its rule, must end the killings in his country.
    .
    “First and foremost, he must stop immediately the bloodshed,” Ban told reporters. “The Syrian leadership should take a decisive action at this time to stop this violence. All the violence must stop.”
    .
    Assad’s opponents have sought to ramp up pressure on the international community for UN action after the Arab League withdrew its observers amid mounting violence.
    .
    Ban called directly on Assad, saying that as leader he had an “important responsibility [to] resolve this situation [and] engage in political dialogue.”
    .
    According to an AFP tally taken from reports by the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and state media, at least 232 people – among them 147 civilians – have been killed since last Tuesday.
    .
    That adds to the figure of more than 5,400 given by the United Nations last month since anti-regime protests erupted in mid-March last year.
    .
    Ban was speaking in the Ethiopian capital, where he attended the opening of an African Union summit.
    .

    -AFP/NOW Lebanon
    .
    http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=358364

  71. ingo

    29 Jan, 2012 - 4:54 pm

    Thanks for your reply Guano. Your assumption that there is no self deprivation and pain and suffering in Christianity is laudable but false.

    Opus Dei castise themselves and the suffering of christ, an oppresive move by his fatgher, so they tell us, adhered to by Jesus, in tears and with doubt, shows us that the unreformed religions, catholicism especially, are stuck in the 14th century, no difference to the wahabi’s unreformed views.

    I find nothing more re/depressive than the moral rectitude of policy makers and politicians who profess to be guided by religious thoughts and then forget about their poor and needy in favour of the rich and powerfull, a peculiar lack of confidence in their own judgement and actions.

    As an atheist I’m strangely drawn to the peacefull, hence vulnerable, professions of the buddhist theology, holding up both cheeks, regardless, is principled and doomed, as it is not reciproked or understood by aggressors and those who work on the principle that might is right.

    Oppression is a religous, just as a political/judicial trait, and a power theorem. Steven lUkes three dimensions of power make it clear that humanity is guided by external expressions of power, rather than focus on the power within, spiritual or otherwise. Religions have received far too much valor, for getting it wrong mainly, and oppressive religuous behaviour is almost always grounded within the realm of these power theorems.

    Politics and rel;igion do not mingle well with each other, both are vying for our moral acceptance, both have gambled over and above what they are holding in their hands an unfortunate realtionship which does nothing to us the general public.

    With this I bow out of this sundays philosophical thoughts, having my 30th. anniverssary. Me and my missis know each other for half of our lives, nowt to do with religion and/or marriage certificates, it was all down to us getting on with each other, talking about it, having it out, and making up, power resides with both of us. please forgive my typos.

  72. Jon

    29 Jan, 2012 - 5:08 pm

    @Leo, thanks very much. I suspect the relevant snippet is this:
    .
    > My controversial, long-ago past. It is true that as a young man, over 35 years ago
    > I was in a KKK organization in Louisiana. I forgive people in Europe and elsewhere
    > for not knowing much about the Klan, but in America, the Klan was once a popular
    > part of the community in the South with many elected Governors, Senators and others.
    > Klan groups were completely independent and separate from one another, and had very
    > different structures. Since the 1950s there has never been one Klan group but many
    > very different Klans. The group I was a part of was strictly non-violent. In fact,
    > not a single member of my organization was ever charged or even accused of any
    > racially oriented crime. I repeat that. No one in my organization was ever accused
    > of any violent crime. Even during that time long ago in my life, as now, I have
    > always condemned any sort of violence! And I rightfully condemn any organization
    > or any other group that commits or advocates any sort of violence in pursuit of
    > their agenda.
    .
    I feel dodgy enough visiting this man’s website, but for him then to “forgive” me for “not knowing much about the Klan” just beggars belief. I think it is well known that Klans were regarded as part of a respected custom in some quarters, but Duke doesn’t at all address whether he has abandoned the idea of white supremacy. Perhaps this has morphed into “everyone deserves to preserve their heritage”, which ultimately – still – means keeping America white.
    .
    I am not convinced either that having a non-violent Klan would excuse membership of the overall KKK structure – membership amounts to condoning. Now, if he repudiates that, he must do explicitly and contritely. And “Mrs. Janet Williams” who lends him her unqualified support needs to be a lot more horrified about the violence the KKK used to represent, and how that sentiment lingers on.
    .
    He is right about media bias, of course. The ‘expected perception’ of well-known individuals is reflected unconsciously by the Western media – a good recent example was a US news article about “Hugo Chavez, the firebrand dictator of Venezuala” (paraphrased). I do wish Duke’d stop banging on about the Zionist media though – as I say, the way in which bias enters the media is a lot more complicated, and there is no global hierarchy of Zionists controlling newspaper and television channel owners.

  73. Jon

    29 Jan, 2012 - 5:27 pm

    Ah, Mr. Duke has on his website an article from 2004 entitled “Facts About Black Crime in America”, and it is truly odious (www.davidduke.com/general/facts-about-black-crime-in-america_30.html). Here is his conclusion:
    .
    > This comparison with Europe suggests that the United States has neither a
    > unique “culture of violence” nor inadequate gun laws. It has a high rate
    > of violent crime because it has a large number of violent black criminals.
    .
    Where does one start with this tosh? Well, firstly the US constitution and high levels of societal nationalism and inwardness may mean that the US does indeed have a unique culture of violence. But I am in no way making a racialist statement in the same way as Duke – my reflection is on American society, which affects white, brown, black and orange people of all races and creeds. Duke’s position, however, is that black people are inherently criminal – and presumably the institutionalised system of racism that carries on to this day, with all its practical and psychological barriers – has nothing to do with it.

  74. ingo

    29 Jan, 2012 - 5:41 pm

    far from me to say that everything comes round in circles, but I had a great laugh this afternoon watching this fella. Listening to him, you can imagine another ‘dick waving session’ is about to happen. Enjoy
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDkhzHQO7jY&feature=player_embedded

  75. Jon

    29 Jan, 2012 - 5:46 pm

    @Ingo, congratulations on your 30th anniversary!

  76. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    29 Jan, 2012 - 5:57 pm

    Webster Tarpley has recently made a speech in which he said, in reply to Iran sanctions, that General Amano, the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, has not been acting as a responsible international civil servant – he’s been acting as a puppet of the United States, a voyeur or an advocate for whatever crazy strategic plans are going through the minds of people running the Obama administration.
    .
    Tarpley singled out Israeli foreign minister Steinitz who has called for a blockade similar to the US blockage of Cuba in October 1962 during the Cuban missile crisis.
    .
    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-26/-massive-blockade-needed-to-stop-iran-threat-steinitz-says.html
    .
    Tarpley said, “It is a good rule of thumb when somebody starts comparing the present situation to the Cuban missile crisis, it is time for negotiation.
    .
    Obama and the American Congress treat negotiations with contempt, pooh-poohing Iran’s repeated requests for talks.
    .
    This has prompted me to write to Prime Minister Putin to immediately engage in talks with China, drafting an appeal to founding members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation; [上海合作组织; Шанхайская организация сотрудничества] – to amend the framework to include mutual military security that will protect members, including senior observers awaiting consensus and ratification, against any strike carried out without UNSC approval.
    .
    Such action will stall any attempt to exhume the type of sanctions that killed a million Iraqi children and caused a holocaust, a genocide in Iraq from severe malnutrition and deaths from treatable diseases. SCO members might well be urged to referring this international conspiracy, these planned acts of international aggression to the UN Security Council.

  77. Bonnie

    29 Jan, 2012 - 6:11 pm

    Well, this is not a new thing! The U.S. has done it, at least, from the Nuremberg Trials, where evidence was obtained by torture…to whit, the defendant’s families were threatened, and many even had their testicles mashed.

  78. Mary

    29 Jan, 2012 - 6:46 pm

    Hamid Karzai plans Taliban talks in Saudi Arabia between his government and the Taliban, opening another channel to the insurgents according to reports.
    .
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/9047694/Hamid-Karzai-plans-Taliban-talks-in-Saudi-Arabia.html

    What price now for over ten years of death, injury and destruction on all sides, and for those who were subjected to rendition and torture?
    .
    What thoughts from the warmongers, the propagandists and those who promoted the Wootton Bassett theatricals and those who would like us to ‘help the heroes’? Shame on all of them.

  79. Fedup

    29 Jan, 2012 - 7:14 pm

    Mark Golding – Children Of Iraq,
    Have you read the vile, racist comments in the Business weeks replies? The palpable hate baggers belief;
    ,
    ,
    “Sandra” character’s comment;
    Hey to all the Iranians out there pretending to be Americans concerned
    about our unemployment rates and gas prices… what is it with you ?
    some sort of a misguided “reverse psychology” to blind us to the concentrated malevolencethat you are…? what is it supposed to persuade us of… ignore the existential
    threat that you and your brand of Islam present to world free liberal
    democracies…? because if it is… your understanding of Western
    (Judeo/Christian) psychology suffers from the same malignancy as your
    sick devotion to your pedophile sadistic sodomite prophet…Muhmud…may
    he be burned in pig excrement… the repulsive sadistic pedophile fornicator…

    ,
    ,
    This apparently acceptable sentiment, has been there for 19 hours by now, and counting.

  80. Mary

    29 Jan, 2012 - 9:20 pm

    Tasers or stun guns and CS gas plus a spark = burns. Such a lovely country we are living in.
    .
    Ex chief warns over safety of using Tasers with CS spray
    Scotland Yard has confirmed a review of the weapon’s availability had been launched
    .
    Related Stories
    PSNI Taser incidents ‘justified’
    Police car Taser plan considered
    Police defend use of Tasers
    .
    A former police chief who introduced Tasers into Britain has warned Scotland Yard to be “very careful” if plans to roll out more stun guns goes ahead.
    .
    Peter Neyroud told BBC Inside Out London there was a heightened risk of people suffering burns as the force used CS spray which was flammable.
    .
    More than half of the UK forces have shifted to pepper spray which is safe to use with the 50,000 volt Tasers.
    .
    The force’s commissioner has said he wants Tasers in all police cars.
    .
    Research carried out by BBC Inside Out London found there were seven incidents last year when Tasers were used at the same time as CS spray which have been referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC).
    .
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16780217

  81. Fedup

    29 Jan, 2012 - 10:02 pm

    Mary,
    I believe the standards for classification of non-lethal weapons, are based on fatalities/deaths resulting from the application of the weapon to be less 17% to 28% ie less than two/three in ten. (I am pretty sue about this figure but need to corroborate it)
    ,
    Furthermore for weapons to let the “object” to return to its pre-use (of weapon)state.
    ,
    So long as only two/three out of ten die and so long as third degree burns are not going to leave scarring tissues, the outcomes are perfectly within the existing range of standards.

  82. Fedup

    29 Jan, 2012 - 10:59 pm

    Mary, Mark
    Clearly Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Than in control of the editorial of the al jazeera “news” results in referral to student protesters in Iran greeting the IAEA officials with banners and the photos of the dead nuclear adventists as; “militia”.

  83. Rose

    29 Jan, 2012 - 11:27 pm

    Mary at 8.57 – Good for you. Not much practical help I know – but I was thinking of you all yesterday and spread the word about the demo around my circle of contacts; there was a few minutes coverage on RT last night. Keep on fighting the good fight.

  84. Mary

    29 Jan, 2012 - 11:31 pm

    Hester
    hesitated
    and
    rolled over
    as instructed!
    .
    Substitute deal probably on its way by courier promising goodies in lieu.

  85. nuid

    30 Jan, 2012 - 2:09 am

    2.10am Rumours all over Twitter that Al Assad and family have fled Syria. Source appears to be Jerusalem Post, but awaiting confirmation.

  86. david

    30 Jan, 2012 - 4:30 am

    Thank you Mr. Murray, but how can we realistically put an end to torture now that a seemingly unnoticed coup had taken place in the UK and US governments sometime last century with an end result of corrupt evil fascists in charge from top to bottom?

  87. ingo

    30 Jan, 2012 - 9:14 am

    Thanks for that lovely poem Clark, only read it just now, had me wellin’ up.
    @Mary. One Hester does not make for banking reform and it looks like the bonus bomb has been shoved into the realm of the international. Prestonspook seems tells us that these decisions are made in the US and that it is highly unlikely that the equation will change.

    The issue is being chewed over by radio 5 live, they are now personalising what little moves they have made and blow it out of proportion, i.e. ‘look how well we are doing’… its sickening to listen to.

  88. Leo

    30 Jan, 2012 - 9:33 am

    @ Jon

    In no way am I defending Duke or anyone else. I was just recording my relief that we were now being exposed to a viewpoint that is essentially muffled by the mainstream press. While these sentiments regarding, for example, the role of Israel and zionist zealots in war propagation may have many adherents (here for example), few have obtained much traction. Duke, by contrast, has millions of adherents – as evidenced by some of his videos with 1,000,000 views and 95% approval rating. To my mind, this should be harnessed and propagated by any serious anti-war movement regardless of his past or his opinion on other subjects.

  89. Azra

    30 Jan, 2012 - 10:18 am

    Leo, I agree!

  90. Mary

    30 Jan, 2012 - 10:27 am

    FYI.
    A daily review in English of the four Hebrew papers with an emphasis on stories related to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. It includes: front page headlines, a news summary of the key stories related to the conflict and a list of links to all the conflict related items and commentaries.
    .

    It’s called News Nosh and you can subscribe to it for free! It’s commissioned by Americans for Peace Now. Sign up here: http://www.peacenow.org/nosh.html
    .
    That was from an e-mail just in. I would dispute use of the term ‘conflict’. It is an Occupation and the resistance against it.

  91. Jon

    30 Jan, 2012 - 10:31 am

    Leo/Azra, thanks. I share your frustration that anti-Zionist voices are ignored in the MSM, but if Duke doesn’t believe that all people have equal worth, then in my view it would be a mistake to recruit him into the anti-war movement. We need to be anti-racist and anti-fascist as well as anti-war – it would split and discredit the movement, I think.

  92. Mary

    30 Jan, 2012 - 10:38 am

    Reading through the Americans for Peace Now site, I have some doubts. I have subscribed to their e-mails and will keep an eye on what comes over.
    .
    eg This is their approach to Iran on their ‘Positions’ page.
    http://peacenow.org/apn-positions/iran-new.html

  93. Mary

    30 Jan, 2012 - 10:44 am

    This is more like it. Justin Raimondo on why a war with Iran would only benefit Israel and how the warmongers attempt to get the US in.
    .
    Putting Israel First

    The War Party’s Achilles’ heel

    by Justin Raimondo, January 30, 2012
    .
    The campaign to lure the US into attacking Iran has one big problem to overcome before the War Party can taste success: the rather obvious fact that such a war would benefit Israel, and not the United States. This is why Israel’s partisans in the US constitute the spearhead of the pro-war agitation, why AIPAC has made this a consistent theme for the past few years, and why the billionaire Sheldon Adelson, aside from funding the Newtster, has poured untold millions into the same project. Hardly a day goes by without some Israeli government official reiterating, once again, that Iran represents an “existential threat” to the Jewish state, and threatening to strike the first blow if Uncle Sam fails to wake up in time, while Israel’s amen corner dutifully echoes the same line.
    .
    Israel and its more vehement partisans in this country have demanded the US attack Iran, even going so far as to raise the specter of another Holocaust if America fails to act. However, one argument they have failed to make is significant by its absence – they have failed to show how it is in America’s interest to launch a military strike. Indeed, they have neglected this part of the equation rather ostentatiously, and yet one can hardly blame them for this oversight for the simple reason that such a case would be impossible to make. An attack on Iran would deprive the world economy of a significant portion of its energy needs, and would likely result in an economic catastrophe in this country – to say nothing of the costs of the war, in blood and treasure. War-weary Americans are not in the mood for another invasion and occupation in search of nonexistent “weapons of mass destruction.” This is the War Party’s Achilles’ heel.
    .
    /…
    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2012/01/29/putting-israel-first-2/

  94. Mary

    30 Jan, 2012 - 10:54 am

    Ingo I realize what you say about Hester and the attention that is being paid to his decision.
    .
    I heard this morning that there are over 300 employees within RBS alone who are getting bonuses of over £1m this year. That is only one bank.

    PS Congratulations on your 30th wedding anniversary.
    http://mail.yimg.com/ok/u/assets/img/emoticons/emo49.gif

  95. Leo

    30 Jan, 2012 - 10:58 am

    Another Holocaust indeed. When the pharmaceutical industry tried to defend the HIV-AIDS treatments (too toxic for cancer treatment) as “HIV denial” I wrote a rebuttal (never published) that the use of “denial” in regard to science or history was an indication that the evidence was too weak to withstand scrutiny. Since then we have had global warming denial and Christ knows what comes next. It truly is reversion back to the dark ages of witches sink or die.

  96. ingo

    30 Jan, 2012 - 11:19 am

    Thanks for the roses Mary and Jon, it was our 27th. really, but I tend to count the three years we lived in sheer bliss beforehand into the equation.
    Just entered ‘Israels nuclear arsenal ‘ into the search engine of Americans for peace now, with ‘no results found’. Are they mushrooms that they thrive on darkness?
    Their statement on Iran is onesided, and follows the sabre rattling that has gone on for years, all emphasis given to controlling Iran, no reciproke demands from Israel at all.

    great article from Raymondo, thanks for that.

  97. ingo

    30 Jan, 2012 - 11:28 am

    Leo, the pharma industry has no legs to stand on. their 5% survival rate, a guarding hurdle for allowing products on to the EU market allows them to fail and the secrecy they command over their products, their zealous protection of their patent markets, shows them to be some of the nastiest TNC’s around, not concerned with public health, but profits for bankers and shareholders, a wholly unsustainable situation and noose around our necks. NISA has no clout and Bransons plans to use natural drugs, decriminalised, into our health service is long overdue.
    Have you realised that apart from siren M. Phillips, our tabloids have strangely been quiet on his mutterings to parliamentarians, no shrill sounds at all. I think we could see the Tory’s making head on this issue, we jsut can’t afford expensive artificials anymore.

  98. ingo

    30 Jan, 2012 - 11:49 am

    IAEA nuclear inspeactors are once again looking at Irans civilian nuclear programme, ending a long period of silence. That they will demand access to Israels nuclear weapons arsenal, before they report back to HQ, is a wholly unjustified, anti semitic rumour…:) and to suggest such inspection should be regarded as treasonous behaviour punished by torture, I should be forced to laugh myself’s to death.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/01/201212941556996640.html

  99. Mary

    30 Jan, 2012 - 11:53 am

    As others have said here, the US are still occupying Iraq.
    .
    U.S. Drones Patrolling Its Skies Provoke Outrage in Iraq
    By ERIC SCHMITT and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT
    Published: January 29, 2012
    .
    BAGHDAD — A month after the last American troops left Iraq, the State Department is operating a small fleet of surveillance drones here to help protect the United States Embassy and consulates, as well as American personnel. Some senior Iraqi officials expressed outrage at the program, saying the unarmed aircraft are an affront to Iraqi sovereignty.

    .
    The program was described by the department’s diplomatic security branch in a little-noticed section of its most recent annual report and outlined in broad terms in a two-page online prospectus for companies that might bid on a contract to manage the program. It foreshadows a possible expansion of unmanned drone operations into the diplomatic arm of the American government; until now they have been mainly the province of the Pentagon and the Central Intelligence Agency.
    .
    American contractors say they have been told that the State Department is considering to field unarmed surveillance drones in the future in a handful of other potentially “high-threat” countries, including Indonesia and Pakistan, and in Afghanistan after the bulk of American troops leave in the next two years. State Department officials say that no decisions have been made beyond the drone operations in Iraq.
    .
    The drones are the latest example of the State Department’s efforts to take over functions in Iraq that the military used to perform. Some 5,000 private security contractors now protect the embassy’s 11,000-person staff, for example, and typically drive around in heavily armored military vehicles.
    .
    /…
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/30/world/middleeast/iraq-is-angered-by-us-drones-patrolling-its-skies.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all%3Fsrc%3Dtp&smid=fb-share

  100. Mary

    30 Jan, 2012 - 12:18 pm

    Syria here we come,….a re-run of Libya..
    .
    Saudi Arabia and Qatar begin to fund the SNC
    .
    ‘Saudi Arabia will recognize the Syrian National Council (SNC) as the “official representative” of the Syrian people amid a joint Western-Gulf Arab push to have President Bashar Assad removed, a senior member of the opposition group said on Friday.
    .
    “Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal told an SNC delegation he met in Cairo last week the kingdom will recognize the Council as the official representative of the Syrian people,” SNC executive council member Ahmad Ramadan told Kuwait’s Al-Rai newspaper.
    .
    Ramadan did not specify when Saudi will make the call, or whether it will be backed by its Gulf Arab allies in the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC).
    .
    It was also reported in the UK’s The Times newspaper on Friday that Saudi Arabia and Qatar will begin funding the SNC as well as armed groups fighting the regime.
    .
    Gulf Arab states have taken a leading role in trying to oust the Syrian president, having this week announced the withdrawal of their members from the Arab League monitoring team in Syria.
    .
    Qatari Prime Minister Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber Al Thani is to officially present a Western-backed plan to UN Security Council ambassadors in New York that will request Assad hand over power to his deputy, while a unity government is formed to oversee a full transition.
    .
    The improving ties between the GCC and SNC has aroused concerns among some corners of the Syrian opposition that fear Gulf states will turn Syria into a battleground against arch rival Iran.’
    .
    http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2012/01/27/saudi-arabia-to-recognize-fund-snc-russia-rejects-syria-resolution/

  101. Mary

    30 Jan, 2012 - 12:28 pm

    LOL D)
    .
    Yedioth Ahronoth
    Broken wings – Giant drone capable of flying to Iran did not withstand heavy load in test flight, only made it to Gedera before crashing
    .
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4182105,00.html

  102. Passerby

    30 Jan, 2012 - 12:32 pm

    If Argentina captured Falklands again.. Britain could no longer take them back, says former Army chief
    ,
    ,
    Jackson trying his best to get the defence budget kept away from cuts. He is speculating about the kind of a warfare that is highly unlikely to happen, as he accepts the Falklands infrastructure are adequate for the defence of the islands, that he finds vital strategic, etc.
    ,
    However reading the comments is funny, the best; “is today the benefits day?” Those Scottish rascals have a peculiar knack of getting their point across.

  103. Azra

    30 Jan, 2012 - 1:45 pm

    @Mary, oh well, they should have asked Iranian help to bring the drone down safely!
    And today Iran is testing its own first unmanned drone..

  104. ingo

    30 Jan, 2012 - 2:08 pm

    Here, within this poem, lies the anger about another form of mental torture, this time its within our retiorement homes. This poem was the only thing left by Keith A. Wells sr. when he died in a home in Nebraska.
    In good ol’ Lutheranian fashion, this should be nailed to each and every door of our retirement homes. RIP Keith. Enjoy

    Crabby Old Man ( by Keit A.Wells sr.)

    What do you see nurses? . . What do you see?
    What are you thinking . . . . . when you’re looking at me?
    A crabby old man, . … .. not very wise,
    Uncertain of habit .. . .. . . . . . with faraway eyes?

    Who dribbles his food . . .. . . . . and makes no reply .
    When you say in a loud voice .. . . . .. ‘I do wish you’d try!’
    Who seems not to notice . … . the things that you do .
    And forever is losing . . . . .. . . . . . A sock or shoe?

    Who, resisting or not . . . . . . .. . . lets you do as you will,
    With bathing and feeding The long day to fill?
    Is that what you’re thinking? Is that what you see?
    Then open your eyes, nurse . . . . . you’re not looking at me .

    I’ll tell you who I am . As I sit here so still,
    As I do at your bidding, . . . . . . as I eat at your will.
    I’m a small child of Ten … . . . . . with a father and mother,
    Brothers and sisters . . . … . . . . . who love one another.

    A young boy of Sixteen . . with wings on his feet
    Dreaming that soon now . . . .. .. . . a lover he’ll meet..
    A groom soon at Twenty . my heart gives a leap.
    Remembering, the vows . . . . .. . that I promised to keep.

    At Twenty-Five, now . . . . . . . . I have young of my own.
    Who need me to guide . . . . And a secure happy home.
    A man of Thirty . . . . .. . . . .. My young now grown fast,
    Bound to each other . . . . . . . With ties that should last.

    At Forty, my young sons .. . have grown and are gone,
    But my woman’s beside me . . . . . . . to see I don’t mourn.
    At Fifty, once more, babies play ’round my knee,
    Again, we know children . . . . . . . My loved one and me.

    Dark days are upon me . . my wife is now dead.
    I look at the future … . .. . . . . . . shudder with dread..
    For my young are all rearing . . . . . .. young of their own.
    And I think of the years . . .. and the love that I’ve known.

    I’m now an old man . . . . . .. .. . . and nature is cruel.
    Tis jest to make old age . . . . look like a fool.
    The body, it crumbles .. . . . . . . grace and vigor, depart..
    There is now a stone . . . .. . . . where I once had a heart.

    But inside this old carcass . . a young guy still dwells,
    And now and again . . . .. . . . my battered heart swells.
    I remember the joys . . . . . . . . .. I remember the pain.
    And I’m loving and living . . . . . .. . . . . life over again.

    I think of the years, all too few . . . . . gone too fast.
    And accept the stark fact . . . . . .. that nothing can last.
    So open your eyes, people . . . . . . . . open and see.
    Not a crabby old man. Look closer . . . see ME!!

  105. Mary

    30 Jan, 2012 - 2:56 pm

    There is a new BBC series on the work of a coroner, featuring Alison Thompson Coroner for West London and deputy Coroner for the Oxford coroner’s court. That is the court where Dr Kelly’s inquest was opened and adjourned on the same day.

    [...]
    .
    Alison is reluctant to comment on the death of Dr David Kelly, the weapons inspector who exposed the ‘sexed-up’ Iraq War dossier, as the case comes under her Oxford jurisdiction. Dr Kelly remains the only person in modern times who was found dead in suspicious circumstances but whose death has not been properly investigated by a coroner. Instead, the Government set up the controversial Hutton Inquiry, which found he had committed suicide.
    .
    Alison says: ‘I can’t comment on Kelly directly because of my role in Oxford. But when a public inquiry purports to be an inquest, then maybe we get into difficulties.
    ‘An inquest specifically concentrates, in great detail, on the cause of death, the medical evidence. A public inquiry does something much bigger and broader.
    .
    ‘I don’t know how the evidence emerged in that case and I’m not suggesting Hutton didn’t look at it in exactly the amount of detail he should have done, but I can see there could be confusion in people’s minds because it had a different feel to it.
    ‘Again, when one looks at the 7/7 bombings in London, yes, it was an inquest but was it also an inquiry? It went way beyond establishing how people died. It seemed more like a public inquiry than an inquest. There are distinctions between the two.’
    .
    Distinctions Alison will continue to uphold. She says: ‘That’s why I was so pleased when the BBC approached me a year ago. What we do is so important that the more people understand it, the better.’
    .
    The first episode of Death Unexplained is on BBC1 on February 7 at 10.35pm.

  106. Mary

    30 Jan, 2012 - 3:03 pm

  107. mr jones

    30 Jan, 2012 - 3:50 pm

  108. Passerby

    30 Jan, 2012 - 4:47 pm

    Council to charge new Jarrow Marchers for road closures
    ,
    ,
    A ROW has erupted today over “outrageous” plans to charge jobless young Jarrow marchers £2,500 – to walk the streets where the famous 1936 crusade started.
    ,
    ,
    ========== In ======== Contrast
    ,
    No charge for Jubilee street party road closures this summer
    ,
    REVELLERS planning street parties for the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee this summer will have an extra reason to celebrate as Gloucestershire County Council has agreed to waive charges for road closures during the celebrations.
    ,
    Wilts and Glos. Standard
    ,
    ,
    ,councillor explains resignation over Diamond jubilee decision
    ,
    ,
    A councillor has spoken out after resigning over an authority’s decision to put up Council Tax by 20 per cent to fund its Diamond Jubilee celebrations.

    Telegraph and Argus
    ,
    ,

  109. mr jones

    30 Jan, 2012 - 5:05 pm

  110. Ben Franklin

    30 Jan, 2012 - 5:34 pm

    “IAEA nuclear inspeactors are once again looking at Irans civilian nuclear…”

    Ingo;

    Under ‘worst case’ scenario, they have enough fissile material for one or two weapons…..

    PDF

    http://www.armscontrol.org/files/Iran_Brief_10_2011_Mark_Fitzpatrick.pdf

  111. nuid

    30 Jan, 2012 - 5:38 pm

    ‘In 2005, despite evidence that psychologists were involved in abusive and torturous interrogations of national security detainees, an American Psychological Association (APA) Presidential Task Force on Psychological Ethics and National Security (PENS) concluded that psychologists play a critical role in keeping such interrogations “safe, legal, ethical and effective.”
    .
    ‘With this stance, the APA, the largest association of psychologists worldwide, became the sole major professional health care organization to support practices contrary to the international human rights standards that ought to be the benchmark against which professional codes of ethics are judged. The PENS Report continues to be highly influential in psychological and national security settings today.
    .
    ‘The Coalition for an Ethical Psychology is leading a petition campaign calling for annulment of the APA’s PENS Report. (Full disclosure: The author is a member of the coalition.) Readers interested in learning more about the annulment initiative can read the petition materials and review the current list of organizational and individual signers, as well as the form to submit an online signature, at {www.ethicalpsychology.org/pens}’
    .
    How the American Psychological Association Sold Its Soul to Torture
    http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/768778/how_the_american_psychological_association_sold_its_soul_to_torture/#paragraph6

  112. nuid

    30 Jan, 2012 - 5:43 pm

    “Under ‘worst case’ scenario, they have enough fissile material for one or two weapons…”
    .
    Iraq was bombarded and destroyed AFTER Saddam had disarmed. Libya was bombed to bits and Gaddafi killed AFTER he had disarmed.
    Perhaps ‘Ben’ thinks Iranians are fools.

  113. Mary

    30 Jan, 2012 - 5:52 pm

    That vile surrogate, (ad hoc too – look up its origins) the IAEA, will be coming back with some slimy equivocation that will allow the axis of the US/UK/’Israel’ to up the drum beats for war. The cuckoo ‘state’ that calls the shots will be making sure its nuclear tipped Cruise missiles aboard its German built Dolfin submarines will be updated for their targets. You would never have thought that the Nuremberg Principles were ever created.
    .
    And there will be NO IAEA vists to ‘Israel’, Britain, everywhere for the Yanks, India, Pakistan or North Korea.

  114. Mary

    30 Jan, 2012 - 6:12 pm

    We have danced on the bodies, now we will rape the land. What bastards and so blatant.
    .
    IRN and Oliver Kinross are pleased to bring you the Libya Oil and Gas Summit 2012 on the 21st and 22nd March in Rome
    .
    After nearly half a century of dictatorship, Libya is finally free. With a culture stretching back many millennia, a highly educated young, workforce and Africa’s largest oil and gas reserves, Libya is very much open for business and ready to retake its rightful place as one of the world’s leaders.
    .
    The Libya Oil & Gas Summit 2012 brings together all the key stakeholders in the new Libya from the National Transitional Council, the National Oil Corporation and their related companies, International Oil Companies, Service Providers, Governmental organisations, thought leaders and experts from Libya and across the globe. Attendees will be able to learn, forge new relationships, develop existing ones and deepen their understanding of the new Libyan oil & gas landscape in the luxury of a 5* environment throughout the conference and at the networking events, gala dinners, receptions and much more.
    .
    /…
    http://www.libyasummit2012.com/

  115. nuid

    30 Jan, 2012 - 6:19 pm

    “Libya is finally free”
    .
    They talk such utter hogwash.
    “‘Mission Accomplished’ in Libya? Not So Fast”
    http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2012/01/30/mission-accomplished-in-libya-not-so-fast/

  116. nuid

    30 Jan, 2012 - 6:34 pm

    This must be what Ben Franklin was talking about when he whined about the USA carrying the UK’s load:
    .
    ‘I’m going to destroy America and dig up Marilyn Monroe’: British pair arrested in U.S. on terror charges over Twitter jokes
    .
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2093796/British-tourists-arrested-America-terror-charges-Twitter-jokes.html
    .
    Hilarious – as long as you’re not one of the said British pair

  117. ingo

    30 Jan, 2012 - 6:37 pm

    The words Israel, nuclear arsenal and inspection are working like a ferohormone.
    Ben, what good would two bombs be against the 200 plus Israel jealously denies having? Further, Israel trusts a mentally unstable savon with fantasies about making his mark on history, just as his hero Churchill did, with the trigger mechanism to a secret nuclear arsenal?
    I think this comparrisson sounds like a last ditch attempt to proof that Iran is building a nuclear deterent, to keep this thought in the news, when all facts show that there is no truith about these speculations at all.

    Netanyahu has been a disaster for Israel, his fixation with grabbing more land and abandoning the peace process for nearly EIGHT years, failing to negotiate with the most willing Palestinians ever in the history of Israel, ( not me, but an arch zionist longterm advisor said so Dove weissglass so I believe was his name) not to mention his murderous criminal piraterie on the high seas, suma sumarum this will make him the ‘Dr. No’ of Israel.

  118. Ben Franklin

    30 Jan, 2012 - 6:47 pm

    “Ben, what good would two bombs be against the 200 plus Israel jealously denies having? Further, Israel trusts a mentally unstable savon with fantasies about making his mark on history”

    Ingo;

    Did you read the pdf? I’m not so naive as to think weaponry is not part of the plan. But the threat is certainly miniscule, and it would be foolish for them to contemplate using their nukes in a strike, considering their considerable disadvantage.

  119. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    30 Jan, 2012 - 7:26 pm

    O/T – but as promised – Satellite setup for Press TV
    .
    You need a ‘FreeSat’ kit about £40.00 + signal strength meter about £14.00 – Maplin
    .
    Check you have unhindered view of the Astra satellite at 19.2 degrees east; [hint] about 10 degrees to the right of your Sky dish and the same elevation. Use a compass and the meter.
    .
    The trick now is to set your receiver box to ‘non FreeSat’ tune to 12460 H 3/4 – sorted

  120. ingo

    30 Jan, 2012 - 7:33 pm

    yes ben I did, last year November, some cold morning. Off course you’re not naive, but you now entered the words ‘threat and strike’ into the debate, unnecessarry and without prompting, indeed your whole sentence is suggestive.

    whats more important? The finger of a mentally challenged Netanyahu on the button of 200 nukes he says he’s intent on using, or the possibility that one day within the next 10 years, maybe, Iran could possibly, have enough material to build two nuclear devices? In news terms, in times of hightened tensions such as this, what do you reckon is more important?

    doooh, lets see, don’t know massa, must try harder massa.

    Why does nobody address the fact that it is Netanyahu’s failure to negotiate peace, that its the occupation of Palestine by brutal bullying and violent means, the casm he has opened up in this arch conflict, during his fanatical reign, effectively deteriorating relations with all his neighbours, not to speak of US friends abroad, many millions in the jewish diaspora world wide, the EU and half of the UN at any time?
    This man is a coward and traitor to Israels future, only cowards don’t sign up to the NNPT, only cowards run away from negotiations, only cowards steal land and bully its legitamit people, at least as legitamit as the jewish minority that once was allowed by the world community to settle in Palestine. What a damn mistake that proofs to be.

  121. Guest

    30 Jan, 2012 - 7:36 pm

    More on “That Tommy Sheridan gagging story”
    .
    “Using the law to silence dissent”
    http://www.firmmagazine.com/features/1081/Using_the_law_to_silence_dissent.html

  122. own goooooal!

    30 Jan, 2012 - 7:37 pm

    That peacenow.org website might as well have been written by JSOC. Those are some of the lamest phoney grassroots I’ve ever seen. Can’t they even drop the government-issue militarist jargon long enough to fool some tender-hearted rubes?

    Pretty much what you’d expect from the Zionist imbeciles who accidentally sterilized their population with poisoned uranium weapons and are now rapidly zooming toward extinction.

  123. own goalllll!

    30 Jan, 2012 - 7:44 pm

    Mary, who sent that peacenow.org website? It might as well have been written by JSOC. Those are some of the lamest phoney grassroots I’ve ever seen. Can’t they even drop the government-issue militarist jargon long enough to fool some tender-hearted rubes?

    Overall it’s pretty much what you’d expect from the Zionist nitwits who accidentally sterilized their population with poisoned uranium weapons and are now rapidly zooming toward extinction.

  124. Ben Franklin

    30 Jan, 2012 - 8:00 pm

    Ingo; Impressive. You read the pdf in November and found no need to refresh. You don’t dispute the Iranian need to compete on the global weapon market.

    Netanyahoo is a goon, but I don’t trust the Ayatollahs any more than I do Bibi.

  125. Fedup

    30 Jan, 2012 - 8:12 pm

    Ben Franklin
    I don’t’ trust the Yanks either, but don’t go around advocating to bomb the crap out of US, and make the place democratic again as per its constitution.

  126. Guest

    30 Jan, 2012 - 8:18 pm

    “[hint] about 10 degrees to the right of your Sky dish and the same elevation.”
    .
    I wouldn`t have a sky dish if they paid me!!!. I won`t have anything to do with Murdoch…EVER, NEVER.

  127. Guest

    30 Jan, 2012 - 9:02 pm

    “Mitt Romney’s personal wealth is double that of the last eight presidents combined. Does that make him a good person to run the United States? Is it possible for him to understand the economic problems of the American people?”
    http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18712&pid=245097&st=0&#entry245097

  128. Duncan McFarlane

    30 Jan, 2012 - 10:15 pm

    Off-topic but i recently found out that both the current heads of Mossad and Shin Bet and six of their predecessors are opposed to a military attack on Iran – as is the Israeli military’s Chief of Staff – but Barak and Netanyahu remain trigger happy and pushing for war
    Blog post on it on the address below
    http://inplaceoffear.blogspot.com/2012/01/eight-current-and-former-heads-of.html (and you can also get to my blog from the link on my name)

  129. craig

    30 Jan, 2012 - 10:23 pm

    Sorry folks in bed with food poisoning the last couple of days. Dodgy old sausages…

  130. Duncan McFarlane

    30 Jan, 2012 - 10:34 pm

    hope you’re better soon Craig. If you didn’t think vegetarianism made you gay you could eat Quorn and soya ones without the same risk ;-) (Tesco meat free lincolnshire style ones are pretty tasy)

  131. Ben Franklin

    30 Jan, 2012 - 10:35 pm

    Marcy Wheeler links to Craig Murray while discussing the role o Dennis Ross as an ‘unpaid ‘ advisor in commuiques with Bibi.

    http://www.emptywheel.net/2012/01/30/dennis-ross-red-phone/

    Criaig; Hope you are well soon. Isn’t that why they call ‘em ‘bangers’?

  132. Duncan McFarlane

    30 Jan, 2012 - 10:36 pm

    p.s How is Iain (Orr)? Heard he was having a heart by-pass operation but that they thought it would go fine, but haven’t heard from him since

  133. guano

    30 Jan, 2012 - 11:09 pm

    Ingo
    I will try to remember on Judgement Day to plead excuses for typos in my book of deeds. Don’t think it will help much though.
    .
    Mark
    The tension in Libya and Syria reminds me of Masada where the Jews who were holding out against the Romans committed suicide.
    The political classes and Rabbis etc were living it up in safety outside the promised land and a remnant of ordinary Jews to whom traditional culture and religion were the same had not adapted to change. Jihadists followers of Jesus pbuh were rotting in vast numbers in political prisons like today.
    .
    I put myself in that Masada position. We did not support our dictators , the Gaddafis, Saddams, Blairs or Camerons. We were afraid of joining jihad because we knew that many of us had been sold to the Romans by the likes of Saul and framed for false-flag crimes or end up being tortured or fed to lions. We kept our heads down because there was so much politics between the different factions of the followers of Jesus pbuh. When the repercussions from Rome came, it was us peaceful traditionalists who were cornered and forced to suicide, not the trouble-stirring jihadists following Jesus peace be upon him.
    .
    And then the jihadists started to work with and eventually convert the Pagans. Then we were doomed. The jihadists started to persuade the Romans to remove us traditionalists and take over the Holy Land, control the ports and caravan routes to Persia and India for themselves. We had never been the enemy of Rome, we had been the peaceful worshippers, who had become warriors to defend our families and children from foreign invasion. But we got the blame for all the problems caused by the politicians and Rabbis, who were now in exile. It was not the fear of Roman sword and rape that made us kill ourselves, but the betrayal by our own leaders, who were lining their pockets far from the Holy Land.
    And shame because we had not had the courage or madness to join the followers of the new prophet Jesus, peace be upon him.
    We had just carried on doing our own thing. Muslims contra Romans @ Masada 73 AD. Muslims contra US forces Libya and Syria post Arab Spring 2015.

  134. Ben Franklin

    31 Jan, 2012 - 12:51 am

    A commentator @empty wheel asks a question of Craig…

    “‘Matthew Gould was Deputy Head of Mission at the British Embassy in Iran, a country which Werritty frequently visited, and where Werritty claimed to have British government support for plots against Ahmadinejad. Gould worked at the British Embassy in Washington; the Fox-Werritty Atlantic Bridge fake charity was active in building links between British and American neo-conservatives and particularly ultra-zionists. Gould’s responsibilities at the Embassy included co-ordination on US policy towards Iran. The first meeting of all three, which the FCO refuses to date, probably stems from this period.’

    Is there any chance that Mr. Murray could point us to these NeoCons and U-Z’s? I know war criminal Henry Kissinger is still in Washington promoting kill the world, but who else?”

  135. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    31 Jan, 2012 - 12:57 am

    From the British Embassy Israel:
    .
    1. Iran is continuing to enrich uranium up to 20% with no apparent civilian use for it.
    .
    Wrong – Iran is to become a world leader in nuclear medicine and the low enriched uranium is used in the development of radioisotopes useful in diagnostics, radiation therapy, radiopharmaceuticals and more.
    Iran is currently designing nuclear propulsion for naval submarines including designs that would mask the ‘thermal wake’ observable from airbourne thermal imaging (FLIR). These designs use 20% enriched uranium to produce heat and steam to drive turbines for propulsion and power for long periods submerged .
    Iran wants to use depleted uranium in a number of projects that use this high density material as protection.
    .
    2. The UK goverment also utterly condemns President Ahmadinejad’s comments about the Holocaust and his repeated threats to destroy Israel.
    .
    Wrong The Iranian president along with many historians and Polish prisoners of war, including Tadeusz Lipinski, assert that public misinformation remains and further research is required.
    .
    The Middle East Media Research Institute confirms the Iranian Presidents speech, ‘”World Without Zionism” contains the phrase “بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود” – which means “this regime” must be “eliminated from the pages of history.” Indeed a regime that supports apartheid and genocide must be judged and the grieving afforded closure.
    .
    3. In passing the recent resolution 1929 on sanctions for Iran, the UN Security Council has sent a strong signal that the country’s continued failure to comply with its international obligations cannot be ignored.
    .
    WrongUNSC Res. 1929 is void because Iran has contributed to global non-proliferation efforts and keeping the Middle East region free of weapons of mass destruction, by its membership of the Non-Proliferation Treaty and her international efforts to secure inspection of Israel’s weapons of mass destruction known to exist but kept ambiguous in similar fashion to a child hiding something and keeping quiet about it to prevent confiscation.

  136. Mark Golding - Children of Iraq

    31 Jan, 2012 - 1:29 am

    Guano,
    .
    Yes Guano, I gave you a seed of knowledge from the time of the Pharaoh and you have rewarded me with the flowers of consequences from that period in time. Thank-you I like the metaphor.

  137. guano

    31 Jan, 2012 - 7:50 am

    Mark
    The story of Joseph/Yusuf famously links the Pharaohs to the children of Israel, that particular Pharaoh having been impressed by Yusuf’s qualities and converted to Islam. By the time of the Moses/Musa the Pharaoh was not even a Pharaoh and his chief advisor and keyholder was a Muslim.
    .
    Political Muslims, many of whom have political asylum in the West, once they get here, think nothing of selling their fellow Muslims to the West in order to build apolitical base in this country. The AlQaida Belhadj in Libya has sold his country and its oil and all of its inhabitants in exchange for a political power base as army leader. The same is about to happen in Syria/Kurdistan. The Kurdish oil from Kirkuk will become much easier to export through a Western-controlled Syria. The political consequences for Kurdistan are not the concern of the AlQaida (Stupidism) leaders, because they will given a political power base to operate from in Syria.
    It reminds one of the old rhyme, Nebachdezzar King of the Jews, sold his wife for a pair of shoes. The alliance of Zionism and AlQaida, mutual-destructive-terror, as in Iraq, is a strategy against the hegemony of the superpowers. The world is no longer pluralist, but divided between ruthless political terror of Zio-Qaida and on the other side the traditional secular and religious forces of law and order.
    .
    You are an Englishman, you have seen the way in which the tool of feminism has been used to destroy the conventional values embedded in the upper middle classes. Now we have a new upper middle class of bonus-grabbing bankers and Far-Eastern Businessmen traders. In politics, you do not stop from attacking good values, even the values of Islam, in order to unseat the occupiers of respect and power and put you bottoms in their places. That is what is happening in Islam, a vast whirlpool of internal politics. How many financial services in this country use the name Trinity in their business addresses to imply trustworthiness. Muslim political minds are equally keen to use the emblems of Islamic pride in their own political endeavours.
    No one could call the murder of Gaddafi and his supporters, opening a road for Africom from the sea into Africa, handing over Libyan wealth to Western bankers and oil to Western companies, Jihad. But it looks good on the business card.

  138. guano

    31 Jan, 2012 - 7:56 am

    The alliance of Zionism and AlQaida Terror in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and soon Syria is another example of joint enterprise.
    .
    Mark
    The story of Joseph/Yusuf famously links the Pharaohs to the children of Israel, that particular Pharaoh having been impressed by Yusuf’s qualities and converted to Islam. By the time of the Moses/Musa the Pharaoh was not even a Pharaoh and his chief advisor and keyholder was a Muslim.
    .
    Political Muslims, many of whom have political asylum in the West, once they get here, think nothing of selling their fellow Muslims to the West in order to build apolitical base in this country. The AlQaida Belhadj in Libya has sold his country and its oil and all of its inhabitants in exchange for a political power base as army leader. The same is about to happen in Syria/Kurdistan. The Kurdish oil from Kirkuk will become much easier to export through a Western-controlled Syria. The political consequences for Kurdistan are not the concern of the AlQaida (Stupidism) leaders, because they will given a political power base to operate from in Syria.
    It reminds one of the old rhyme, Nebachdezzar King of the Jews, sold his wife for a pair of shoes. The alliance of Zionism and AlQaida, mutual-destructive-terror, as in Iraq, is a strategy against the hegemony of the superpowers. The world is no longer pluralist, but divided between ruthless political terror of Zio-Qaida and on the other side the traditional secular and religious forces of law and order.
    .
    You are an Englishman, you have seen the way in which the tool of feminism has been used to destroy the conventional values embedded in the upper middle classes. Now we have a new upper middle class of bonus-grabbing bankers and Far-Eastern Businessmen traders. In politics, you do not stop from attacking good values, even the values of Islam, in order to unseat the occupiers of respect and power and put you bottoms in their places. That is what is happening in Islam, a vast whirlpool of internal politics. How many financial services in this country use the name Trinity in their business addresses to imply trustworthiness. Muslim political minds are equally keen to use the emblems of Islamic pride in their own political endeavours.
    No one could call the murder of Gaddafi and his supporters, opening a road for Africom from the sea into Africa, handing over Libyan wealth to Western bankers and oil to Western companies, Jihad. But it looks good on the business card.

  139. Mary

    31 Jan, 2012 - 8:16 am

    On topic.
    .
    31 January 2012 Last updated at 04:46
    .
    Former MI6 chief Sir Mark Allen sued over rendition
    .

    Abdel Hakim Belhadj says UK and US intelligence were involved in sending him to Libya
    .
    Two men who say they were rendered to Libya with the help of the UK have begun an action to sue one of Britain’s most senior former MI6 officers.
    .
    Libyan dissidents Sami al-Saadi and Abdel Hakim Belhadj allege that Sir Mark Allen was complicit in their rendition and torture.
    .
    Lawyers for the pair served papers on Friday, the first step in a civil action for damages.
    .
    Sir Mark has declined to comment on the allegations and legal action.
    .
    Mr al-Saadi and Mr Belhadj say they were handed over to Col Muammar Gaddafi’s regime in 2004.
    .
    The Metropolitan Police has already begun its own investigations into the allegations.
    .
    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16804656
    .
    Good for them and every success.

  140. Mary

    31 Jan, 2012 - 8:37 am

    The execrable Marr is given three hoursn on BBC1 and space on the BBC website to plug his trash A Diamond Queen, now half price on Amazon.
    .
    Queen needs Prince Philip at her side – Prince Harry Prince Philip has remained the Queen’s constant companion throughout her reign
    .
    Prince Harry has said he does not believe the Queen can carry out her public duties without the Duke of Edinburgh, her husband of 64 years.
    .
    “I don’t think that she could do it without him, especially when they’re both at this age,” he told Andrew Marr, in an interview for BBC One.
    .
    The interview took place before 90-year-old Prince Philip was treated for a blocked coronary artery.
    .
    It comes a week before the 60th anniversary of the Queen’s accession.
    .
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16788123
    .
    PS One of the book reviews on Amazon
    .
    ‘To anyone thinking of buying this, I would advise that they instead borrow it from a library because if you are interested enough to read a book like this, then you will already know most of what is in it. There are no new insights.
    .
    Sorry, but I feel as if I have read a lot of this before, from several sources, but especially Robert Lacey’s excellent MAJESTY, written for the Silver Jubilee, which is heavily relied on for many of the anecdotes that appear here, inevitably inviting comparison. It has to be said that Lacey’s use of language is defter, subtler and altogether smoother than Andrew Marr’s.
    .
    As a Scot, Mr Marr will be familiar with the expression ‘cauld kale rehet’ (cold cabbage re-heated).’
    ~~~~
    Ghastly man, ghastly book, ghastly TV programme.

  141. anon

    31 Jan, 2012 - 9:54 am

  142. ingo

    31 Jan, 2012 - 10:26 am

    Hope you get better soon Craig, certain sausages are to be avoided.
    Thanks to Duncan for the hint at what few men are really pushing for war. If William Hague thinks that UK and US soldiers should willingly lay tdown their lifes for these few ultra zionists, he should have another pint and sleep it off.

    So we can assume that the meeting between Gould Werritty Fox and Mossad was quiet acidic, there must have been scenario’s and options discussed and discarded, but generally the feeling for war could not have been mutual at that meeting. As Gould was new to the job in hand, although well versed in Israeli politics beforehand, most likely since he held his position in Iran, the meeting could have been bland, introducing him to the movers and shakers. These are only two options, others, more precise, could also apply.
    So Belhadj and al-Saadi are parting with the first shot on the long haul towards justice, in response they will try and send him from pillar to post, that will take yonks.
    I wish them to get justice, for themselves and their equally tortured family members, hope they are able to look after themselves, here and in Libya, cause our MI’s might just want to use the neocon solution and get rid of them.

    Thanks Guano for your picturesque historical resumee, almost mirroring the situation of the current bunker mentality that must exist in the Knesset at present.

  143. Passerby

    31 Jan, 2012 - 11:45 am

    Craig,
    I am sorry to hear about your food poisoning, make sure you get plenty fluids and keep resting, and try and wash instead of the usual wipe.
    ,
    One never appreciates the blissing of robust health, until one falls ill, I know exactly how you feel? I was there last week, and boy it was awful never again shall I eat left over mortadella sausage ever again.
    ,
    Get well soon.

  144. tokyoshop

    31 Jan, 2012 - 11:55 am

    I do consider all of the ideas you’ve presented on your post. They’re very convincing and can definitely work. Still, the posts are too quick for beginners. May you please prolong them a little from subsequent time? Thanks for the post.
    .
    [Mod: Commercial link deleted. Spam comment not removed, to retain continuity, see below.]

  145. Passerby

    31 Jan, 2012 - 12:12 pm

    The good news is never far away these days. The cowboy practices made standard by the dynamic duo Bu$h and Bliar have now permeated into all facets of life. First we heard about the substandard fake boobs, and testicles, now we are told about substandard hip joints and implants.
    ,
    ,
    Surgeons in the North East have compiled figures for 500 patients with DePuy implants showing a failure rate of up to 35 per cent after four years and 49 per cent after six years for full hip replacements.
    ,
    ,

    Metal hip implants could put more than 30,000 patients at risk of poisoning
    ,
    Dunchyou love the smell of horseshit all over the place all of the time?

  146. Passerby

    31 Jan, 2012 - 12:19 pm

    “Still, the posts are too quick for beginners”
    ,
    Bless their foreign little socks, so long as they know what they mean, that is OK. Advertising a Japanese shop in Spain, to the English, with this kind of prize bullshit, ought to be classed as art of sorts.

  147. Passerby

    31 Jan, 2012 - 12:32 pm

    All of the sons of bitches like playing up the Commander in Chief part
    ,
    “take out all of South America’s fighter aircraft let alone Argentina’s,”
    ,
    Well there you have it, now whole of South America is put on the shit list too.

  148. ingo

    31 Jan, 2012 - 1:54 pm

    passerby, every reaction provokes a counter reaction. This little ‘routine replacement of an old nag with a fast racehorse, will get the Argentininas to reach into their pockets and spend some money on fast Chinese surface to ship missles, me thinks.

  149. guano

    31 Jan, 2012 - 2:21 pm

    Mary
    Beladj is a political man, sometimes working with MI6, and sometimes targeted by them. Are we all going to cry every time a political leader gets unelected, or applaud every time another bastard gets in.
    Politics is the game of self-promotion, and that applies to Muslims and non-Muslims. Politicians play a risky game and the game has dangers and rewards. I don’t like the political gaming of politicians of any kind. None of them have any sincerity because their goal is self-gain. Many people are now being tortured by military personnel under Belhadj’s control in Libya, and I have no doubt that before he was renditioned from Malaysia he was doing the same ruthless game in Afghanistan.
    .
    In Saddam Hussain’s Iraq, many political activists provoked reprisals from Saddam and ran away abroad before the reprisals came. The victims run to many millions. This victim you are championing is playing a victim role to an audience of softies in the uk. I detest torture. It is intolerable in any circumstances. But lighting a match to civil wars is pretty repugnant as well in my opinion.
    .

  150. Mary

    31 Jan, 2012 - 2:34 pm

    The search for the missing 15 people on the Costa Crociere has been abandoned because debris and furniture is blocking the way and the water is ‘turbid’. I bet it is.
    .
    So generous here of Mr Arison of Carnival Corp.
    .
    ‘Costa Crociere, which is part of the world’s largest cruise ship operator Carnival Group, has offered uninjured passengers 11,000 euros ($14,500; £9,200) each in compensation, on condition that they drop any legal action. However, a consumer group and two US law firms are filing a class-action lawsuit in the US, demanding at least $160,000 (£105,000) for each passenger on the ship.’
    .
    Good for them. Apparently attempts have been made over the years to raise the compensation limits but the International Maritime Organisation based in London {http://www.imo.org/About/Membership/Pages/NGOsInConsultativeStatus.aspx}
    has always resisted.

    .
    CLIA is one of the NGOs that has consultative status with the IMO and Carnival is one of CLIA’s members.
    http://www.cruising.org/regulatory/cruise-lines-ships

    .
    Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.
    .
    January 30, 2012
    IMO Secretary-General Koji Sekimizu, speaking at the opening of the Sub-Committee on Bulk Liquids and Gases (BLG) today (30 January 2012), stated that IMO is the right international body to deal with safety of passenger ships and, in particular, a safety review after the Costa Concordia accident.
    .
    He has included an additional item on “Passenger Ship Safety” on the agenda of the IMO’s Maritime Safety Committee, which meets for its 90th session from 16-25 May this year. This will provide an opportunity for IMO Members in the Maritime Safety Committee (MSC) to consider any issues arising. He appreciated any initiatives of Member Governments and the industry to improve safety and encouraged them to put forward their contributions to MSC 90.
    .
    {http://www.imo.org/MediaCentre/PressBriefings/Pages/04-passengership.aspx}

  151. ingo

    31 Jan, 2012 - 2:44 pm

    Guano

    Thank you for making such a strong point for decentralised politics, it is the elevation into sole leadership that provides multi nationals and other vested interest with an easy target to nobble.

    @Mary, thanks for that, the ship should have been lifetd immediately after it was clear that the cold waters could hold no more survivors. 11.000? what a cheek.

    I reckon that the company will go into administration an/or sold off as a going concern, with the new owner dragging it out for years to come. These ships have been designed wrongly, if they get hit by a super wave from the side they will almost certainly topple over, there is too much stories above water.

  152. Passerby

    31 Jan, 2012 - 3:42 pm

    Ingo,
    In this case the whole of S. America are probably rushing to put their orders for supersonic anti ship missiles and all manner of torpedoes. The gun boat diplomacy inevitably will come unstuck, however the notion of giving the appearances of a muscular leader, seems to be a contagion that cannot be all too easily contained.

  153. Passerby

    31 Jan, 2012 - 4:07 pm

    Mary,

    “The execrable Marr”,
    ,
    I have to disagree, that slick character, will be mighty difficult to pass (constipation supreme), due to his slickness, that will bond into any ind of surface and become fast stuck.
    ,
    BTW have you prepared for your street party Mary?
    ,
    Don’t have a coat so, I’ll just be on my way,
    ,
    Kidding Mary, only kidding.

  154. Mary

    31 Jan, 2012 - 4:31 pm

    The UK is doing its best to stir things up with Argentina. They are sending HMS Dauntless to the Falklands and the twerp who was on last week’s Question Time, Jeremy Browne is going there in June ‘to mark the war anniversary’. As he suffers from foot in mouth disease, wait for the political gaffes to follow.
    .
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/01/31/uk-britain-argentina-idUKTRE80U15720120131
    .
    PS Hague is saying that HMS Dauntless packs a punch! He is absolutely pathetic.

  155. Charles Crawford

    31 Jan, 2012 - 5:37 pm

    Craig,

    Thanks for the comment on Libya/MI6 over at my site.

    Remind me. When were you told “officially, as a British Ambassador, that Jack Straw had initiated (sic) a policy of using intelligence obtained by torture”?

    I don’t think you were told that. I suspect you were told that Jack Straw had been given legal advice that it could be lawful for HMG to use intelligence possibly obtained by torture for certain operational purposes in the national interest. And that position indeed was upheld by the House of Lords in a landmark ruling, which you praised in your first book!

    Don’t overegg the pudding?

    Charles

  156. nuid

    31 Jan, 2012 - 5:56 pm

    ‘Stenography journalism’, sez G Greenwald:
    .
    “Iran, perceiving threat from West, willing to attack on U.S. soil, U.S. intelligence report finds”
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/iran-is-prepared-to-launch-terrorist-attacks-in-us-intelligence-report-finds/2012/01/30/gIQACwGweQ_story.html

  157. Mary

    31 Jan, 2012 - 6:15 pm

    Fred’s knighthood is shredded. Where is the satisfaction in that? Does nothing to repay the taxpayers or those made unemployed by the bank’s collapse.

  158. Iain Orr

    31 Jan, 2012 - 6:17 pm

    Thanks, Duncan, for your post above on 30 Jan at 10.36 pm. You hear correctly. I got back home from hospital on Saturday with my heart strengthened by a quadruple by-pass. Now coping with a backlog of emails and getting ready to contribute substantially to Craig’s excellent website. Once he’s over his food-poisoning, I look forward to the results of his recent investigative work. I expect it to be better than the investigative record of our former colleague, Sir Christopher Meyer, as Chair of the PCC. He was in typical blustering, combative mode at the Leveson Inquiry this morning: an entertaining cameo of one part of the establishment combatting with another establishment dog to mark out its patch with its odour.

  159. Mary

    31 Jan, 2012 - 6:19 pm

    Did you know that Scotland’s water is still in public ownership? The English are taken for suckers.
    .
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/31/renationalise-english-water

  160. V ronsky

    31 Jan, 2012 - 6:28 pm

    @mary
    .
    And yet you won’t see any positive press about Alex Salmond. Well, not in the UK anyway.
    .
    http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2012/01/25/news/scozia_referendum-28763026/

  161. John Goss

    31 Jan, 2012 - 8:54 pm

    Nuid, what I think everyone should be reading into the Washington Post report you linked suggesting Iran is planning measured attacks on US soil is that the US plans some false-flag operations on its own civilians as a justification for going to war with Iran.

  162. craig

    31 Jan, 2012 - 10:26 pm

    Charles,

    The answer to your question is 7 March 2003.

  163. Mary

    31 Jan, 2012 - 10:53 pm

    That was ten days before the terrible horror of the Iraq war began and in which the vile Straw was totally involved as he boasted to the Chilcot Inquiry.
    .
    http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2010/1/21/straw-iraq-war-was-down-to-me
    Britain’s military involvement in the Iraq war could not have taken place without Jack Straw’s support, the former foreign secretary has claimed.
    .
    Mr Straw told the inquiry in a lengthy written memorandum he did not believe British military involvement would have been possible without his backing because it would have meant there was no majority in favour in Cabinet.
    .
    “I was also fully aware that my support for military action was critical,” Mr Straw wrote.
    .
    “If I had refused that, the UK’s participation in the military action would not in practice have been possible. There almost certainly would have been no majority either in Cabinet or in the Commons.
    .

    It was only nine years ago yet it feels like a century. Hardly mentioned in the corporate media now.

    ‘The invasion was preceded by an air strike on the Presidential Palace in Baghdad on March 19, 2003. The following day coalition forces launched an incursion into Basra Province from their massing point close to the Iraqi-Kuwaiti border. While the special forces launched an amphibious assault from the Persian Gulf to secure Basra and the surrounding petroleum fields, the main invasion army moved into southern Iraq, occupying the region and engaging in the Battle of Nasiriyah on March 23. Massive air strikes across the country and against Iraqi command and control threw the defending army into chaos and prevented an effective resistance. On March 26 the 173rd Airborne Brigade was airdropped near the northern city of Kirkuk where they joined forces with Kurdish rebels and fought several actions against the Iraqi army to secure the northern part of the country.
    .
    The main body of coalition forces continued their drive into the heart of Iraq and met with little resistance. Most of the Iraqi military was quickly defeated and Baghdad was occupied on April 9. Other operations occurred against pockets of the Iraqi army including the capture and occupation of Kirkuk on April 10, and the attack and capture of Tikrit on April 15.
    /…
    {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq}

  164. Duncan McFarlane

    31 Jan, 2012 - 11:14 pm

    Glad to hear you’re doing ok after that Iain. Didn’t realise it was a quadruple bypass! Let us know how you’re getting on in the coming weeks. I agree presenting Christopher Meyer as if he’s a neutral observer when he was Blair’s envoy to the UN on Iraq is pretty ludicrous.
    ——————————————–

    Charles Crawford wrote “I suspect you were told that Jack Straw had been given legal advice that it could be lawful for HMG to use intelligence possibly obtained by torture for certain operational purposes in the national interest. And that position indeed was upheld by the House of Lords in a landmark ruling.”
    You seem to like technical points of law a lot and present them as if they’re a substitute for morality. They’re not. Courts in apartheid South Africa enforced the Apartheid laws. That didn’t make them right either. Even if what you said was accurate Straw would still be responsible for giving a nod to dictatorships like Karimov’s and Gaddafi’s to torture people knowing that whatever dodgy “evidence” they extracted by torture would get them brownie points with the British government. Apart from being morally wrong this didn’t even serve Britain’s national interest as most of the “evidence” and “intelligence” secured by torture is utterly worthless, just being whatever the torturers wanted to hear. CIA and FBI interrogators have confirmed this.

  165. guano

    31 Jan, 2012 - 11:51 pm

    ‘Don’t overegg the pudding.’

    Don’t underegg it either Mr Crowfart. You’re a political opponent of Mr Jack Straw’s, so what’s with the footy footy under the table cross parties about the UK rules of torture?
    .
    Let’s keep it clean, shall we? We know that Craig, as a diplomat, had the highest respect for Mrs Thatcher, and we know that to now he has loyal friends inside the Conservative Party who are prepared to leak unacceptable behaviour in current Conservative Government circles, and we know that he has personal connections to down-to-earth, honest members of the conservative party, though they are few and far between.
    .
    Is that the excess of egg which you’re referring to, Sir? Craig has escaped your puny tentacles of puffed-up with your own importance, crow-fart, Tory power? Because if you’re trying to suggest that we as a nation should condone the use of torture, as New Labour friend of Israel, Zionist-bribed, opposition to nothing, fig-leaf for torture, Jackdaw, Jack Straw did, when he saw the chance of stealing power from George Bush’s bending of the Geneva convention in the War on Terror. Then [Mod - offence to contributor removed] crawl into something from a previous century when believing in torture was the mark of a gentleman. [And more...]. Begone. Bewarned. Bro!/means Go!

  166. Guest

    1 Feb, 2012 - 12:29 am

    “Remind me”
    .
    Charles Crawford, that is a sign of dementia!, comes with the setting on of old age!.

  167. Fedup

    1 Feb, 2012 - 12:58 am

    over egging?
    ,
    ,
    Nuremberg principles failed to see the legalised outrages carried out under the command of superior thugs.
    ,
    To hang onto such deviant methods of discarding morality is a sure sign of the degrees of decay and bankruptcy of ideology experienced by the proponents of such a reprehensible conduct.
    ,
    This deviant emotional paralysis towards torture often stems form the aggression that is routed in a lack of self-worth or clearly indicative of identity crisis as human being.

  168. bert

    1 Feb, 2012 - 1:14 am

    For those keen on the research herein, don’t forget about Salahuddin Amin.

  169. Jives

    1 Feb, 2012 - 1:19 am

    @ Charles Crawford.
    .
    “I don’t think you were told that. I suspect you were told that Jack Straw had been given legal advice that it could be lawful for HMG to use intelligence possibly obtained by torture for certain operational purposes in the national interest.”.
    .
    Wriggling in the margins of semantics and bluster.Torture is torture and it’s morally repugnant.As Craig has repeatedly pointed out there has been a creation of a “market for torture” these last few years and no amount of legalese and dissembling can hide that fact.Why don’t Establishment lackeys like you grow a pair and be a man? A nauseating attempt to wriggle from the truth.I don’t know how people like you can sleep.

  170. Clanger

    1 Feb, 2012 - 1:45 am

    Dear Craig, thought you might like to know that there is a double page feature in the latest Winter Palestine News titled “Fox, Werrity, Gould…and Mossad”. It quotes you several times and pretty much mirrors the story you have given on this blog so at least a few more people will get to know about it. It’s not on the PSC website.

  171. nuid

    1 Feb, 2012 - 2:38 am

    “Nuid, what I think everyone should be reading into the Washington Post report you linked suggesting Iran is planning measured attacks on US soil is that the US plans some false-flag operations on its own civilians as a justification for going to war with Iran.”
    .
    Could be, John. Almost nothing would surprise me, given the codswallop coming out of the US and Israel. The fact that Europe is going along with sanctions seriously depresses me.
    .
    Also this crap:
    Caution on Twitter urged as tourists barred from US
    “Holidaymakers have been warned to watch their words after two friends were refused entry to the US on security grounds after a tweet.”

  172. nuid

    1 Feb, 2012 - 2:40 am

    Oops, link for “Caution on Twitter urged”:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16810312

  173. nuid

    1 Feb, 2012 - 2:43 am

    Charles Crawford:
    “I don’t know how people like you can sleep.”
    .
    + 1

  174. glenn_uk

    1 Feb, 2012 - 3:40 am

    Charles Crawford is a notably disgusting example of the British hierarchy, but typical nonetheless. Wasn’t he trying to jolly-up torture a few years ago, not just being its apologist but its champion? Creatures like this are well at home, soothing the hearts of all manner of evil institutions by giving it the veneer of an intellectual underpinning.
    .
    Morons, sociopaths and monsters have their excuse – they cannot help themselves. The likes of Charles Crawford do not have such a let-off. People like Crawford, using their intellect for evil with full understanding of same, are the worst, most craven product by which humanity has been bedeviled. His filthy work is possibly the most wicked of all – knowingly enabling and excusing evil, without even having the courage of dipping his fingers in the blood he causes to flow.

  175. Mary

    1 Feb, 2012 - 6:37 am

    Here is CC on his good friend Sir Mark Allen and torture. From the renowned ‘blogoir’.
    .
    Libya and MI6 (again): Sir Mark Allen
    The Limits of Diplomacy, Civilisation and its Enemies, MTS, Non-MTS, The Art of Diplomacy, Democracy = Hard Choices, How to Negotiate, The Craig Murray Saga
    31st January 2012
    .
    Craig Murray and I have a fleeting moment of agreement, rather like ships sailing in opposite directions who pass and exchange friendly waves.
    .
    He commented on my earlier piece about Libya and MI6, responding to another reader:
    .
    /…

    http://www.charlescrawford.biz/N5A207442111
    .
    He describes Craig as a maximalist. Not a word in common parlance.
    .
    maximalist One who advocates direct or radical action to secure a social or political goal in its entirety: “the maximalists . . . who want the undivided land” (Arthur Hertzberg).

    ——————————————————————————–

    [Russian maksimalist, name applied in 1906 to an extreme splinter group of the Russian Socialist Revolutionary Party, ultimately from Latin maximum, maximum; see maximum.]

    .
    !!!

  176. Mary

    1 Feb, 2012 - 6:48 am

    On the day that Circle Healthcare take over the running of Hinchingbrooke Hospital, a reminder of Tory boy Mark Simmonds’ connection to Circle Healthcare.
    .
    Strategic adviser to Circle Healthcare (social enterprise), 42 Welbeck Street, London W1. Quarterly fee, £12,500; 10 hours per month. (Registered 12 January 2011)
    March 2011, £12,500 quarterly fee received. Hours: 10 hrs per month. (Registered 3 May 2011)
    June 2011, £12,500 quarterly fee received. Hours: 10 hrs per month. (Registered 3 October 2011)
    September 2011, £12,500 quarterly fee received. Hours: 10 hrs per month. (Registered 3 October 2011)
    December 2011, £12,500 quarterly fee received. Hours: 10 hrs per month. (Registered 3 January 2012)
    .
    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/mark_simmonds/boston_and_skegness#register
    .
    1 February 2012
    Private firm starts running NHS Hinchingbrooke Hospital
    Hinchingbrooke serves a population of about 160,000 people
    A private firm has become the first to start running an NHS hospital.
    .
    Circle, which is co-owned by doctors, has taken on managing Hinchingbrooke Hospital, Cambridgeshire, which had been threatened with closure as it grappled with £40m of debt.
    .
    Circle aims to find a solution to the debt problems of the hospital by attracting new patients.
    .
    Union Unison said although the hospital had been saved, it was concerned at involving private firms in the NHS.
    .
    The groundbreaking +++£1bn+++ 10-year deal will see Circle assume the financial risks of making the hospital more efficient and paying off its £40m of debts.

  177. guano

    1 Feb, 2012 - 8:26 am

    Mod.
    Thanks for cleaning up the vomit. That smelly piece of slime makes me throw up.[ more, sorry, just thinking about it ]

  178. Other Mod

    1 Feb, 2012 - 8:37 am

    Moderation has its moments. It’s most satisfying when the deletion of straighforward cursing leads to wittier and more articulate insults.

  179. Mary

    1 Feb, 2012 - 9:04 am

    I see that CC’s stuff appears on The Commentator. They have recently enrolled Harry Cole as their UK political editor.
    .

    Harry Cole

    @MrHarryCole South Ken (Kennington)

    Journalist formerly known as Tory Bear. News editor of The @GuidoFawkes Blog and UK Political Editor of The @CommentatorIntl. Never knowingly on message..
    .
    Enough said.
    .
    The apologist for torture appears here.
    http://www.thecommentator.com/article/297/torture_versus_terror_a_tale_of_two_resignations

  180. ingo

    1 Feb, 2012 - 9:26 am

    Good to hear of your successfull bypass op and recouperation, Ian, for second I thought that your arrival back here was a reposte to that awefull CC, I was wrong, he obviously does not deserve any recongition to his reactvien bluster here, but its also an indication that his pals in MI6 might still be at it, which would not surprise me.

    This morning we had dennis Ross being wheeled out reminding us that Iran needs starffing and if the sdanctions don’t work…. what are these sanctions for?
    Iran has complied with a vital part of UN requirements, they have repeatedly invited the IAEA back, now they are talking in Tehran, due back today. Sanctions should not be increased but decreased. Hague is becrying the daily death in Syria without mentioning the daily death in Iraq of Libya, the latter seemingly having learned from UK torture practises of the past.

    Its the apologist of the CC type that are embellishing these human rights violations in a self perpetuating war on terror circus of their own making,pathetic figures who can’t live without their returns from bloody arms shares.
    This link is for you CC, your next step is to start waving you …k around why don’t you?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDkhzHQO7jY&feature=player_embedded

  181. Jives

    1 Feb, 2012 - 10:02 am

    “Its the apologist of the CC type that are embellishing these human rights violations in a self perpetuating war on terror circus of their own making,pathetic figures who can’t live without their returns from bloody arms shares.”.
    .
    Spot in Ingo.

  182. ingo

    1 Feb, 2012 - 10:03 am

    This opinion piece, also raises the spectre of false flagging Nuid was talking about, although it does not mention it directly. Syria’s desintegration and future political make up can/will be shaped by outside influences, the future will tell whether these foreign influences could be accused of starting the Arab spring there.
    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/01/20121281167973520.html

  183. Mary

    1 Feb, 2012 - 10:24 am

    La Clinton is still going in for the Croydon facelift. With the manndarin collar and her harsh strident voice, she seems to be going for the look of the wife of a Chinese nationalist leader like Sun Yat-sen or Chiang Kai-shek.
    .
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n3mqGxTnWc&feature=player_embedded/
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    She was sitting next to the boy Hague whose polished dome was perspiring profusely. Perhaps he was excited.

  184. Clark

    1 Feb, 2012 - 11:00 am

    Looking at the front page of his blog, Charles Crawford seems to write as much about Craig Murray as Craig Murray writes about torture and injustice. Presumably he sees Craig Murray as the more pressing issue.

  185. Mary

    1 Feb, 2012 - 12:04 pm

    Friend of Israel of course Ingo and a trougher who likes to keep clean and sweet smelling!
    .
    Expenses
    In May 2009, the Telegraph revealed Lidington had claimed nearly £1,300 for his dry cleaning and had also claimed for toothpaste, shower gel, body spray and vitamin supplements on his second home allowance. Lidington decided to repay the claims for the toiletries, saying “I accept that many people would see them as over-generous.”

    Lidington was also criticised by local newspaper the Bucks Herald for claiming £115,891 in expenses in one year, almost double his salary.
    Wikipedia
    ~~~~~
    Name of donor: Conservative Friends of Israel
    Address of donor: 45B Westbourne Terrace, London W2 3GR
    Amount of donation (or estimate of the probable value): £1000
    Destination of visit: Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories
    Date of visit: January 2010
    Purpose of visit: to meet Israeli and Palestinian Ministers and officials and business leaders to discuss the Middle East Peace Process
    They Work for You
    ~~~~~

  186. ingo

    1 Feb, 2012 - 12:18 pm

    Sorry about the first copy, mods please erase [Mod: done], I had two other windows open and my steam iron crashed somewhat. Here is the whole reply from D. Liddington FCO attached to the reply from Richard bacon MP to me.
    .
    Thank you for your letter from of the 24.october 2011 on behalf of your constituent Mr. Ingo Wagenknecht of ……. About Nina and Mikel Malyshev. I apologise for the delay in replying.
    .
    We are aware of Mikel and Nina Malyshevs situation (situation?). I understand, following discussions between their former constituency MP and Foreign and Commonwealth officials in October 2011, that Mikel and Nina Malyshev are safe and well in Uzbekistan. We can confirm no British Embassy officials were sent to the airport or that they met with the Malyshevs. ( so how do they know they are OK? Hogwash!).
    .
    The overall human rights situation in Uzbekistan remains a concern, We regularly raise our concerns with Uzbek authorities.
    .
    Our embassy in Tashkent funds projects promoting good governance, human rights and development of civil society, for example supporting police reform and the implementation of habeas corpus. Our embassy also maintains contact with a wide range of civil society groups.
    .
    The FCO’s Human rights and democracy report 2010, which was laid before Parlaiment and launched on 31.march 2011, highlights what the Government is doing to promote our values around the world, including in Uzbekistan. It is available on the FCO website at http://www.fco.gov.uk/hrdreport.
    .
    Singed THE RT HONOURABLE DAVID LIDDINGTON MP
    .
    Then a handwritten PS: I’m really sorry about the delay it should not ( underlined) have happened and I have asked for the appropriate lessons to be learned so that we avoid any repetition.

  187. nuid

    1 Feb, 2012 - 3:12 pm

    Hmmm …
    Idea of false flag attack writ large here:
    .
    US Intel Director Prepares Public for False Flag Event
    Desperate for war, US prepares to blame Iran for false flag attack.
    http://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/us-intel-director-prepares-public-for.html
    .
    (I don’t know Tony Cartalucci – any info appreciated)

  188. nuid

    1 Feb, 2012 - 4:49 pm

    Libya:
    .
    Prisoners are “suspended in contorted positions, beaten for hours with whips, cables, plastic hoses, metal chains and bars and wooden sticks, and given electric shocks with live wires and Taser-like electro-shock weapons,” according to the Amnesty report. A spokesperson for the organization described the failure of the US- and NATO-backed National Transitional Council (NTC) to conduct any investigation, much less take any action against the torture, as “horrifying.”
    .
    Amnesty’s findings were corroborated by UN human rights chief Navi Pillay, who told the Security Council recently that torture is widespread. “There’s torture, extrajudicial executions, rape of both men and women,” she said.
    .
    Extract from
    Torture in Libya: The ugly reality of imperialist “liberation”
    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/feb2012/pers-f01.shtml

  189. guano

    1 Feb, 2012 - 10:37 pm

    The British Establishment, alias Zionist New World Order, alias AlQaida, alias ‘stupidism’ is not pleased about being criticised publicly for having made a cock-up in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan.
    But for them to think that trolling in a place where good hearts and commonsense prevail might turn the tide of public indignation shows what a lot of stuffed nothing the political mind is filled with. Mostly cocaine, probably.

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