Afghanistan: Mainstream Media Awakes

by craig on March 12, 2012 4:22 pm in Uncategorized

This morning Sam Kiley, Sky News’ security correspondent, stated bluntly that the large bulk of Afghan heroin and opium production is controlled by members of the Karzai government.

That is a simple truth, and I have been publishing it repeatedly on this blog for the last six years, but it runs absolutely contrary to what has been an extraordinary and monolithic mainstream media narrative. The insistence for ten years by an almost unanimous mainstream media that it is the Taliban who contol the drugs trade has been perhaps the most remarkable example of a massive organised lie in modern media history. The question of how a false narrative like that becomes an accepted mainstream “truth” is a key element in control of the state by a rapacious elite using the brainwashing tcapabilities of modern mass communication.

The truly remarkable thing is the truth has somehow broken through. Then today in Parliament David Winnick, opposition defence spokesman, actually stated directly tthat people know longer believe that the presence of our troops in Afghanistan somehow protects us from terrorism, but rather might tend to inspire hatred of the UK.

Again, a blindingly obvious truth that I have been proclaiming for a decade. But absolutely not admissible as an argument on moanstream media in that period, and a truth whose denial was the dedicated work of Winnick’s party when it was in government.

The counter-productive and ruinously expensive nature of the Afghan War is something a high proportion of people fully understood even when they were never reinforced in their understanding by seeing that view reflected in “mainstream media”. Tens of thousands of children have died while arms suppliers and mercenary commanders got very rich. The last nine to be slaughtered in their beds have helped jolt people in the media and politics to talk some semblance of sense at last.

Urinating on dead Afghans, burning Korans and a nighttime killing spree are not the problem; they are symptoms of the problem. A vicious occupation by religious antagonists who repeatedly and continually launch massive violence on civilians, with the intent of imposing by force elements of an alien culture while establishing a massively corrupt and despised puppet government, is not a viable long term project. There is no way to undo the past. The best thing to do now is leave.

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125 Comments

  1. Yes, a sincere article Mr.Murray. When the current crop of assholes leave….they may do so without a thought about the future of the country. It happened before it will happen again.

  2. How long do you think it will be before this last “isolated incident” is let off with a slap on the rist when the media attention has gone away?

  3. One of the reasons of the neocons to invade Afghanistan was precisely to restore the opium production, that was previously decimated by the Taliban. People like the CIA need black market funds to pay for black ops that can’t be put through the official accounts. Puppet Karzai will obviously get his ‘percentage’
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    That and the oil and gas pipeline and the bigger and more long term Zionist agenda to empire build in the Middle East and beyond. The invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were about securing land to build military infrastructure surrounding Iran in preparation, and that’s why a deliberate war of attrition has been manipulated over the last 10 years.
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    Cameron, Hammond, Hague, et al, are just the latest in a long series of pathological liars spewing out the nonsense scripted by their paymaster Elite that the British Military is Afghanistan to protect us. What a load of utter bollocks!!
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    As for the media and the latest slaughter by a rogue grunt, it’s just faux outrage, just like the faux outrage from Clinton, Obama and Cameron. They couldn’t give two shits about dead Afghan children, just as they couldn’t give two shits about the 500,000 dead Iraqi children. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4PgpbQfxgo
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  4. The last time I read the truth about Afghanistan in the mainstream media was in Michael Meacher’s brilliant essay in the Guardian in 2003, entitled ‘This War on terrorism is bogus’. He completely nailed it, especially with regard to the hoax of 9/11 and was thus roundly excoriated for it. With respect to Afghanistan he concluded:
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    The conclusion of all this analysis must surely be that the “global war on terrorism” has the hallmarks of a political myth propagated to pave the way for a wholly different agenda – the US goal of world hegemony, built around securing by force command over the oil supplies required to drive the whole project. Is collusion in this myth and junior participation in this project really a proper aspiration for British foreign policy?
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/sep/06/september11.iraq

  5. How are the politicians going to explain how the sacrifice of so many British soldiers is justified, if it turns out the whole thing was a ghastly mistake?

    Soldiers, sailors, and airfolk sign up to defend this country; they have no alternative but to follow orders, in the hope that their superiors know what they are doing. Although this hope must have been somewhat undermined by our political masters’ admission that they are less clear about why our troops are in Afghanistan than how long they will stay there.

    Six years ago Defence Secretary John Reid said that some 3,300 British troops would be deployed for three years at a cost of £1 billion and that he expected them to leave Helmand “without a bullet being fired.” Since then I believe 404 British soldiers have been killed there.

  6. KingofWelshNoir says
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    The conclusion of all this analysis must surely be that the “global war on terrorism” has the hallmarks of a political myth propagated to pave the way for a wholly different agenda – the US goal of world hegemony, built around securing by force command over the oil supplies required to drive the whole project. Is collusion in this myth and junior participation in this project really a proper aspiration for British foreign policy?
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    It’s not a US goal, it’s a goal of the forces that control the US. Look towards AIPAC and the ADL, etc
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    Craig please get someone to remove the code that strips newlines from posts. Adding dots is a PITA. :

  7. Greenmachine

    12 Mar, 2012 - 6:21 pm

    At one time Craig I would have disagreed with you on pulling out but the last 12 months have convinced me you are correct. The only people who are going to sort this out in their way ( that is what self-determination, freedom, liberty is about is it not!)are the Afghan people. Continued presence of ISAF occupiers will prolong the pain, increase loss of innocent life, embed corruption, foster criminality, legitimise nepotism and deny the freedom of the people to choose their destiny; all done at the behest of foreign invaders and a corrupt tribal leadership. It will not be pretty nor easy and may include many unsavoury episodes along the way but, like the Vietnamese in the 1970′s, they will find a way, their way, not an imposed ‘fairy tale’, to ‘self-governance’ however unpleasant the west may find it! Liberal intervention, much beloved of Mr Bliar, is, and will continue to be, a humanitarian disaster for everyone involved!

  8. Which country next? Syria, Iran? Look at the mess the West has left Libya. When will it stop? It is so awful, I feel like I am living in a nightmare, and I am not one of the poor people living in these regions day in day out. I really feel like the West is like Nazi Germany reincarnated, but with more power.

  9. In response to the search string “Afghanistan Winnick” Google News yields precisely two hits: BBC and Huffington Post.

    Tucked away on about page 3 of an article largely devoted to Cameron’s crocodile tears, the BBC has this to say:

    ‘In the House of Commons, Labour MP David Winnick asked an urgent question on the shooting incident, saying there was a “growing sense in Britain that this is an unwinnable war”.’

  10. Deepgreenpuddock

    12 Mar, 2012 - 7:07 pm

    The talk took a long time to get interesting-very tentative at first-then it became a devastating indictment of the international politics of the last 20 years.
    I thought there was an interesting point made about the 30-35% of people who were opposed to the Libyan action. This figure resonated because it is pretty much the number that are capable of abstract thought.

    One must also be curious about the idea that was given in the talk -about the quality of the intelligence-and it not standing up to examination.
    The problem here is that there cannot be a lack of intellectual capacity at the levels of the FCO that were described. That means that those people must have known and colluded in deception.

    I am quite loathe to go down the road of ‘conspiracy’ but the only alternative is that otherwise capable people were deluded in some way. This whole area needs deep examination and analysis and we probably need to find out more about the people who were propagating and disseminating such faulty material. There must be reports about your condition in condemning the material. Did such people ever justify their contradiction of your assessment of the intelligence? These people need to be called to account in some way. I am not very hopeful of course, at the moment.

  11. Interesting on BBC news channel this afternoon they had some guy I think called Levine from some London University giving a sustained and coherent argument about the counterproductiveness of Anglo-American presence in Afghanistan. I have seen nothing like this on the beeb before. Amusingly the news anchor guy was adopting the attitude, ‘Wow, what you’re saying is extraordinary’, like he had never heard such weird views before.

  12. The BBC is essentially a Whig establishment, permeated with the belief that things are steadily getting better and better thanks to “progress”. That “progress” is compounded of technology, political correctness, and sheer wishful thinking. However, to the true believers, progress emanates from “the West”, in the form of democracy, free market capitalism, Hollywood, pop music, Macdonals, Coca-Cola, and the Marines. Anyone who stands in the way of progress is wicked, wretched, and – the ultimate epithet – conservative (or reactionary as the Commuists used to call it).

  13. See John Kabul who has not grasped that he and his pals are the invaders and occupiers.
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    Afghanistan Killings – Your Reaction
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-17336815

  14. O/T Lamb 3G and Aegis. Bahrain.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andrewgilligan/100142981/graeme-lamb-british-generals-company-paid-to-support-bahrain-dictatorship/

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    Lamb by name. Snake by nature.
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    NB Last year G3, which employs former service chiefs, officials and diplomats, was drawn into Liam Fox’s resignation as defence secretary after it emerged that it had paid international travel costs for Dr Fox’s close friend, Adam Werrity.

  15. One for Nuid.
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    Cameron had Kenny over today. Very cosy together. Firm handshake etc.

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    Richest 300 Irish now worth €62bn

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    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/richest-300-irish-now-worth-62bn-3046429.html
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    THE 300 richest people in Ireland are worth more than €62bn. That’s almost as much as the IMF/EU bailout. It’s also more than the combined value of the Luxembourg and Lithuanian economy.
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    Funny that the story is in the Independent once owned by O’Reilly probably the richest person in Ireland.

  16. “War on terror”

    “National security”
    “Counter-insurgency”
    “ Promotion of democracy of freedom”
    “ In necessary defence of the rights of Afghan women”
    “ Necessary operations against Muslim extremists”
    “Military operations in opposition to the drugs trade in Afghanistan” ( surely this one needs correction to “in support of….”)

    ” Commitment to civilized values and the standards of the Western world”

    And whatever else ruse can be dreamt up, published in the “lame stream” media, and swallowed by a sufficiently large section of the public to keep the game going. So, totally, fucking corrupt.

    P.S. Craig,
    You wrote this:-

    ” tthat people know longer”

    “that -and – no ” – you are only human ( but a good one too) and we all make mistakes.
    Pedantic? Who – me? NEVER.

  17. A blogger on the BBC web site, in response to the beeb’s report, had this to say:-
    His name and location: “Chris Terrill, London, UK”
    “As for President Karzai – he had to say what he said, he had no choice. Given what happened after the burning of the Koran, he had to come out looking like a champion of the people.
    He is dealing with a very divided government – not just in Kabul but in the whole region. People are very undecided about which way to lean, whether towards the government or the Taliban.”
    “Looking like a champion of the people” ? Well is that the “oil people” who are backing his presidency – or – the Afghan people?
    “…whether towards the government or the Taliban” ? – well the correct answer to the first question will immediately lead you to the logical conclusion for the second.
    As long as people buy into the mainstream dominated narrative, then the critical questions are not seen or ever addressed.

  18. I supported the initial attack on Afghanistan. Complex political reasons but I thought it would be good to topple the Taliban government. But after 3 months and it looked like we were setting up a puppet regime and committed to defending it I realized we had just lost the War in Afghanistan. It was just a matter of when.

    But I most certainly did not predict that we would still be fighting a decade later. US and its lickspittle allies are just completely incapable of facing the truth. Somehow, they have this idea that if their forces cannot be militarily defeated then they are winning. Even in the face of obvious failure. It is hard to comprehend how so many smart people have actively deceived themselves for so long.

  19. John Böttcher

    12 Mar, 2012 - 9:42 pm

    An even greater irony presents itself:

    The opium poppies which grow so abundantly could be harvested legally and turned into much needed opiates which are so scarce in so many third-world countries.

    Even countries such as India find it difficult to afford manufactured opiates yet this cheap and plentiful resource is there which would alleviate the suffering of literally millions of people enduring horrific pain.

    This was brought to my attention many years ago on an excellent BBC Radio 4 documentary, if my memory serves me rightly.

  20. Kill, kill, kill, all over the planet.
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    Yemen says U.S. attack killed 64 people
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    By UPI
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    SANAA, Yemen, March 12 (UPI) — U.S. drone strikes on hideouts and arms reserves killed at least 64 suspected al-Qaida militants over three days, Yemeni officials said.
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    “The United States did not inform us on the attacks. We only knew about this after the U.S. attacked,” a member of Yemen’s military committee told CNN.
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    Officials at U.S. Central Command and the Pentagon contacted Sunday declined to provide information about the attacks Yemeni officials said were carried out by unmanned U.S. aircraft, CNN reported Monday.
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    The U.S. government typically doesn’t comment on drone operations.
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    The latest strike occurred Sunday in Abyan province in southern Yemen, two senior Yemeni security officials said.
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    The strike was the third on suspected al-Qaida targets in less than three days, the officials said. The United States was also involved in attacks Friday and Saturday, Yemeni defense ministry officials said.
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    Yemeni rights organizations condemned the airstrikes, calling them illegal.

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    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30788.htm

  21. Craig said, “The question of how a false narrative like that becomes an accepted mainstream “truth” is a key element in control of the state by a rapacious elite using the brainwashing capabilities of modern mass communication.”
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    I would add the adjectives ‘barbaric’ and ‘murderous’ in describing the ‘elite.’ Nevertheless the paragraph is a brilliant encapsulation of these contrivances that promoted the neocon grand designs since the demolition of the World Trade Center.
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    This collusion in planning can only be deconstructed by abstract thought as ‘Deepgreenpuddock’ elucidates. Since we are all capable as humans to use our minds in this way,I believe we must ask the question why human curiosity and truth is circumvented for decades.
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    Again we must turn to Craig’s brilliant mind to discover the answer which revealed itself in the Berlin conference interview when he referred to xenophobic patriotism and the war on terror.
    Since 2001 the balancing act between the interests of national security with the liberties of the people has come to an end. The politics of terror has ensured the value trade-offs between liberty and security have faded, power has concentrated and political choice abrogated by a fusion of ideals, ethics and morality.
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    Again I refer to Craig who when asked “..what was the best way of sharing what you know” replied, “undoubtedly the Web.” He went on to say that he felt he had to “get everything out in order to minimise the incentive to kill me.”
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    Finally a warning, a prediction – abstract thought or not – …on social media, governments will ‘narrow in’ and reduce the freedom of the Web through an increasing raft of legislation.

  22. Where is immigrant-hater Canspeccy and his comments on this subject?

  23. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    12 Mar, 2012 - 11:23 pm

    The only thing that surprises me is how people are so easily conditioned by the media. Even here it seems some people are just beginning to realise that the whole war on terror is a sham, that politicians and journalist are pathological liars and that there’s no such thing as “freedom and democracy” except when it’s being forced down the throat of some dark-skinned peoples thousands of miles from Europe.
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    Give it ten more years and they may even work out that the Arab Spring has been nothing more than an orchestrated media campaign to bamboozle the viewer while Western special forces (the ONLY real terrorists) play the dual role of ‘pro-democracy protesters’ and ‘government security forces’. They align themselves with religious fanatics and kill civilians for nothing more than that old favourite of installing a fascist “friendly” regime.
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    Yet in the UK there is no choice of political power at elections, just different parties representing the same power. It is impossible for you or anyone you know to form a political party and gain power. You are continuously watched and your communications are continuously recorded. You can never be elected unless the media says so.
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    It is you, dear reader, who is living in a totalitarian fascist state, it can not be said any plainer than that.
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    The irony is that they justify their brutality by claiming to be fighting fascism, whether it’s a Gadaffi, an Assad, or an Ahmadinajad there is always the inevitable comparison between them, Hitler and the Nazis.
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    Almost everything you believe (as opposed to ‘know’) about your country is an artificial construct aimed at exploiting your emotions in order to circumvent your intellect and keep you dumbed down, obedient and unquestioning.

  24. YouAreDermo,
    It is busy kicking in the native Canadians, and separating their infants from their families to be sent to “special schools”, where they will be subject to “special treatment” inclusive of sexual assault and buggery. That immigrant hating, immigrant has been spreading his lies for years, fact that who is he affiliated to? This has so far remained somewhat of a mystery for those uninitiated in the ways of “doing war through deception”.
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    Afghan War,
    So far as the Afghan war goes, I was denouncing the Afghan war, when all and sundry were too busy sanctioning it. I was denouncing the war on terror when almost everyone had been caught up in the knee jerk hatred of all things al Qaeda/Muslim. Those years of my life were spent in denouncing the corrupt bastards who were busy taking off their cut from the proceeds of the war expenditure. Now I spend my life caught up in the mangle of the inflation, living the austere life in an inflationary economy, that I can hardly afford the basic standards of simple living, whilst my efforts in saving my money have resulted in the shares I owned to become worthless, and the money I saved to become worthless, all in the way of underwriting the corrupt and pusillanimous lying fraudulent bastards incompetence.
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    The decaying infrastructure, at the point of failure, witness the same “media” that sold us all the Afghan War, the Iraq war is busy selling us the Syrian war, and Iran war. Whilst informing us of the decision of the locked in to die (ie soon the near ill people will be put down as in the veterinary practices, it is cheaper for the NHS< and the department of the work and pensions). Also we are cautioned to drink less (this means there is a huge tax rise in the pipe line: nothing makes all cancers better, other than a hike in the price of booze). In addition the warnings are afoot for the impeding hose pipe ban (this means there is to be a rise in the water rates that is coming to combat the drought and help the profits of the private water companies) because we are in a drought already. Fact that we happen to be on an island that if dug more than three feet will hit the water table, is somewhat going amiss, because the Farmers jumping on the act too, they are producing less and telling us the prices of produce will be high because of the water shortages.
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    The carpet baggers no longer content with the their old incomes, are seeking to recoup their unusual returns (as per Greenspan ie rip off extortion rackets) closer home, now that the Taliban and Iraqis have kicked their snouts out of the relevant troughs.

  25. where is the rule of law?

    12 March: Australia: Secret SAS teams hunt for terrorists
    The deployment of the SAS’s 4 Squadron – the existence of which has never been publicly confirmed – has put the special forces unit at the outer reaches of Australian and international law.
    The Herald has confirmed that troopers from the squadron have mounted dozens of secret operations during the past year in various African nations, including Zimbabwe, Nigeria and Kenya…
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/secret-sas-teams-hunt-for-terrorists-20120312-1uwhy.html

  26. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    13 Mar, 2012 - 3:39 am

    “we are cautioned to drink less (this means there is a huge tax rise in the pipe line: nothing makes all cancers better, other than a hike in the price of booze). In addition the warnings are afoot for the impeding hose pipe ban (this means there is to be a rise in the water rates that is coming to combat the drought and help the profits of the private water companies)”
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    What about ‘save the planet, use less energy’? What happens is the all powerful energy companies see revenues and profits fall and so create artificial supply and distribution chains.
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    The distribution companies, who you pay the bill to, can now justify insane energy price increases by blaming the suppliers.
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    The government don’t mind because money spent on energy counts towards GDP ‘growth’ in the economy, which is used to ‘offset’ the blatant inflationary nature of increasing energy prices.
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    The final coup de grace is the suppliers are based offshore so avoid paying UK tax oin their vastly inflated profits.
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    British people put up with this sort of grifting between politicians, economists and businesses and don’t even complain. No wonder your government treats you like contemptible idiots.

  27. Well, I was going to say this sudden awakening to the truth was a sign that the West was about to pull the rug from under Karzai, then, as if by magic:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/13/cameron-obama-afghanistan-troop-withdrawl

  28. DownWithThisSortofThing – your post is a masterpiece. And the situation is as dreadful as you suggest. When I saw the pictures of Gaddafi’s death cheerfully emblazoned on front pages of newspapers, I felt that we were living through a period of state terror.

  29. Joint gush here in the Washington Post from Obomber and Flashman. Wordsmiths they are not. They win no prizes for their mastery of the English language. These are just two examples contained within the threats to continue their worldwide aggression.
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    ‘Keep it up we have — not only winning that war for our survival but also building the institutions that undergird international peace and security.’
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    ‘Finally, as two peoples who live free because of the sacrifices of our men and women in uniform, we’re working together like never before to care for them when they come home.’
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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/barack-obama-and-david-cameron-the-us-and-britain-still-enjoy-special-relationship/2012/03/12/gIQABH1G8R_story.html?hpid=z3

  30. Oh yeah! “I want to be clear that where a police power is needed a police officer will carry out that duty. The back bone of the service will remain unchanged but we are committed to finding a long-term transformational solution that is more cost effective and efficient and improves on the service we deliver.”

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    Companies interested in taking over some of the work of West Midlands Police will attend a conference on Tuesday.
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    The force, along with Surrey Police, has invited bids from companies to provide a range of services from guarding crime scenes to collecting CCTV footage to help cut costs.
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    ++Sixty-four++ firms have registered for the Bidders’ Conference in London.
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    Other police forces, authorities and staff associations are also invited.
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    “This is not about taking away the core responsibility for policing away from officers,” said the chief constable of West Midlands Police, Chris Sims.
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    “I want to be clear that where a police power is needed a police officer will carry out that duty.
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    “The back bone of the service will remain unchanged but we are committed to finding a long-term transformational solution that is more cost effective and efficient and improves on the service we deliver.”
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    ‘Proper process’
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    Derek Webley, chair of West Midlands Police Authority, said: “The police authorities are the accountable bodies for the process and we have a duty to ensure that… we maintain a police service that is fit for purpose, efficient and effective.
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    “We will ensure that a proper process for deliberation is in place, ensuring that all the necessary evidence is obtained, and all views are heard. We will approach each decision with an open mind, considering the best interests of the public at every stage.”
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    West Midlands Police Authority faces budget cuts of £125m over the next four years.
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    The contracts are expected to be worth about ++£1.5bn++ nationally over seven years, depending on the number of forces in England and Wales who sign up to the scheme.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-17345846

  31. Regarding our current global situation with our (more than Fascist) global leaders. Do we see any viable solution to halt the on going crisis.

    Should we not put animal rights and destruction of nature first
    What can we do as an individual?

    Stop drinking / smoking / change our own lifestyles for the better.

    ” peri stroika ” although that will be hard with only 35% capable of abstract thought.

    Quote “love thy neighbour more than one self”
    AH

  32. BlackVeil, DownWithThisSortOfThing is a conspiracy theorist and an adept hand at self-contradiction. He says (in his usual patronising style) “It is you, dear reader, who is living in a totalitarian fascist state” while seemingly unaware that if it were the case we would not be reading his drivel and assertions. “Almost everything you believe (as opposed to ‘know’) about your country is an artificial construct” ROFL.

  33. Psychopathic military kill children: latest…

    http://bikyamasr.com/61804/three-children-among-7-palestinians-killed-on-4th-day-of-israel-attacks-on-gaza/

    Doesn’t seem to have gone mainstream, though.

    Surprise surfuckingprise.

  34. Eric Pickles on Question Time made the point that we needed to be in Afghanistan to prevent terrorists from committing atrocities on our streets. His facial expression said it all. He didn’t believe a word of the rubbish he was saying. Not only that, the rest of the panel didn’t believe it, Dimbleby didn’t believe it and the studio audience certainly didn’t believe it. Are we all seriously expected to believe Pashtun tribespeople are a threat to the people on the streets of the UK? Their propaganda won’t wash anymore.

  35. Those who have allowed Dostum and walid karzai to import pre cursor chemicals to make heroin, are also the ones who know the killers of RICHARD CONROY. NATO has effectively turned a bling eye, or in the case of the CIA, actively promoted the export of heroin, not opium, to a global clientle they helped create since Vietnam.
    No doubt some of these monies, just as the secret finance system screwing Russian oligarchs, is being used for arming those we want to go to war against us and thwe war on terror is just a ruse to get control over vital resources and strategic positions, a last struggle for supremacy.
    John Boetcher is right, we have to utilise the trade for our hospitals and at the same time create a real rapport with those who govern Afghanistan, the same people.
    Tajiks are already shooting Pashtuns and I expect an allmighty civil war after withdrawal, the Eickenberry rules were never applied and what was applied is not working. I also expect the US to ‘negotiate’bases near Irans border, arguably having to fight to fronts in future, as they seem unable to control their rednecks when hooched up.

    Finally where is Adam Werritty, we thought you would have managed to find him in a Berlin Kreuzberg Turkish bath,…
    Not that we would know what to do with him, apat from giving him a gong of sorts, the man is untouchable.
    had to laugh about the first comment here from Churtazp, they are all arseholes, the three main party shooting game is a racket, they are all in the hands of others, bar a very few uncorruptables. You only have to look at young Chloe to see how they create their own offspring in the same vain.

    Mary, just as the rich Italians buying property by the millions in London, and the greeks banking large sums in Switzerland and here, the irish will line up in front of Osborne for a little absolution of their fiscal contributions.

    I do not think it possible to find a political electoral soultion to this unsustainable system, I’m too old to try again
    after a lifetime of frustrations, wasted efforts with no results. There is no will left in people to want any change, especially not the young one’s. By the gods, I’ve tried.

  36. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    13 Mar, 2012 - 9:49 am

    Anon 13 Mar, 2012 – 8:13 am.
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    Allow me to deconstruct that post for the benefit of others.
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    BlackVeil, DownWithThisSortOfThing is a conspiracy theorist and an adept hand at self-contradiction.
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    ‘And if you agree with him then so are you’. Anon forget to add the word ‘paranoid’ but that is sufficiently implied these days with the mere words ‘conspiracy theorist’.
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    He says (in his usual patronising style) “It is you, dear reader, who is living in a totalitarian fascist state”
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    Anon should go and read a dictionary. Just because we don’t have the same guy in the top job for decades at a time means nothing.
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    while seemingly unaware that if it were the case we would not be reading his drivel and assertions.
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    And, if it were the case, Anon would not be bothered one little bit about my ‘drivel and assertions’ let alone take time to respond in defence of the status quo.
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    In fact there would be a wide range of points of view on display in the media and each would garner support based on its approximation to perceived reality. The prevailing *received reality* is simply not believed. Daniel’s post above is a prime example of this but because there are no competing views in public discourse we see dim-witted acceptance of utter nonsense.
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    “Almost everything you believe (as opposed to ‘know’) about your country is an artificial construct” ROFL.
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    Please don’t read the rest if you are not Anon. Thank you. ;)
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    Anon, I now address you directly (and patronisingly)…
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    One day, when you are intellectually mature, curiosity may replace those dismissive sneers. My guess is that you will be an old man/woman by then, one of those bitter old bastards/bitches who only worked things out late in life and when it was too late to make a difference to your own life or your loved ones lives.
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    I can point you to many many idioms that are factually wrong and yet are generally accepted by the population, even those that claim to be highly educated and well informed.
    .
    Here’s a couple to get you started, “Britain beat Germany in WW1 and WW2″ and “The British parliament banned slavery in 1807″.
    .
    And finally, have you seen this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ&ob=av2e

  37. BBC Radio 2 news this morning at 8.30am: “Palestinians and Israel reach agreement on ending recent unrest. Hundreds of rockets fired into Israel.”
    No mention of the 25 palestinians killed by Israel in the “recent unrest”!! Not a word. The Beeb’s bias is becoming very obvious; they’re not even trying to hide it anymore.
    Looks like Israel are gearing up for more R&R in Gaza. They can’t touch Iran, so a bit of displacement activity will have to do.

  38. Another scene in the charade or for real? Inspector Knacker knocked on their door at 6am. No going to see the geegees at Cheltenham for the unlucky pair.
    .
    Rebekah and Charlie Brooks arrested
    13 March 2012 09:39
    .
    Former News International chief executive arrested as part of Operation Weeting.
    .
    http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2012/03/arrested-news-operation

  39. The hell created upon earth. There is a link to a video here.
    http://rickrozoff.wordpress.com/2012/03/13/video-kandahar-massacre/

  40. Gotta love those hundreds of rockets, Mike. And that 100-1 retaliation ratio conscientiously followed by the Israelis since 1949. It’s getting a bit difficult for them in PR terms, though, as their new whizzo US/Israeli antimissile system got 80% of the rockets (allegedly) and the population of southern Israel was mostly in its bunkers at the time. A luxury denied to the Gazans, due to the embargo on construction materials. In case they build themselves bunkers.

  41. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    13 Mar, 2012 - 10:31 am

    @Mike 13 Mar, 2012 – 9:58 am. Evan Davies did ask about the number of civilian deaths in Gaza but this seemed to be taken as a direct challenge by the guest to say the word ‘terrorist’ as many times as possible.

  42. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    13 Mar, 2012 - 10:33 am

    Evan Davies was of course on R4 not R2. Mike, try re-tuning your radio for a (slightly) less stressful morning . :D

  43. My main criticism of both Gaza and Afghanistan is this.
    The policies DON’T BLOODY WORK. And they could have been predicted not to if any rational thought had been devoted to either issue (as it was by those not in a position to influence policy). They are now self-perpetuating disaster zones.

  44. Mike, Komodo,
    The zioBBC is also economical with the actualities, the grads are gradually landing closer to TelAviv. Hence the operation Iron Dome, that complements the paranoid psychotic supremacists Cement Wall, and the aggressive war on all their neighbors.
    ,
    There are clips of the scared and howling “Master Race” who soil their pants at the sound of the “anti rocket rockets” getting fired at the grads that are getting closer to TelAviv.
    ,
    Is there anyone left other than the “Master Race” and their well paid stooges, and public relations personnel who actually believe the bullshit about the Victim Isreal?
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    DownWithThisSortOfThing,
    while seemingly unaware that if it were the case we would not be reading his drivel and assertions.
    ,
    What kind of a controversial, way too insurgent, far too subversive comments have been published on this thread?
    ,
    For comparison of standards even Saudi serfs are more outspoken than most of the commenters around here. Duchyouluv the little dig at “freedom of expression”?

  45. I always thought that the one good thing the Taliban did – being as they are religious fundamentalists opposed to that sort of thing – was destroy the opium crop in Afghanistan once they won power. Something that nobody else had ever managed.

    For all their many faults the Taliban are not pushers.

  46. Passerby, these are not new thoughts. And the Yanks evidently believe it. Because they want to believe it. They want to believe in the heroic little guy and Superman and John Wayne and Roadrunner beating impossible odds and shooting a lot of guns to achieve some kind of apotheosis. They haven’t quite realised that what they are supporting is purblind Elmer Fudd, wholly obsessed with protecting his carrots against the local wildlife.

  47. I thought that Evan Davis was more challenging than usual although tentative when interviewing the smooth tongued :t Col Avital Leibovich (she who sat in a studio giving out lies during Cast Lead). Her biography is below.
    .
    And at least a Palestinian, Mustafa Barghouti, was allowed on who spoke good Engliah, although the line was poor.
    .
    We were spared Regev for a change.
    .
    Note the use of the word ‘clashes’. Israel made the first attack and killed the first of 24 Palestinians last Friday.
    ,
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9704000/9704962.stm0719
    .
    Ceasefire agreed following Gaza clashes
    .
    Egypt has mediated a truce between Israeli forces and Palestinian militants in Gaza, after four days of deadly clashes.
    .
    Mustafa Barghouti, former Palestinian presidential candidate and independent member of the Palestinian parliament, claimed that Israel provoked the attack which killed 27 Palestinians including women and children.
    .
    If Israel respects the ceasefire, he said there will be “complete commitment” from Palestinians to non-violent resistance.
    .
    He went on to say that rockets have never been fired into Israel except as a response to the Israeli bombardment of Gaza.
    .
    He told the Today programme’s Evan Davis that the vast majority of Palestinians are for “abstaining from any form of military action” and rocket attacks were only in self defence.
    .
    Lieutenant Colonel Avital Leibovich, head of the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) Foreign Press Branch said “when Palestinians stop firing rockets, Israel will not have to defend itself.”
    .
    She said that “the ongoing terror attacks are continuing” and that 20 Israelis have been wounded in the last few days including an 80-year-old woman and children.
    .
    “We are doing everything we can to defend one million Israelis”, she said.
    .
    Leibovich {http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/apps/nlnet/content3.aspx?c=ewJXKcOUJlIaG&b=7717041&ct=11493953}

  48. GCHQ staff are at risk of prosecution.
    .
    ‘The lawyers are arguing that “there is also a significant risk that GCHQ officers may be guilty of conduct ancillary to crimes against humanity and/or war crimes, both of which are statutory offenses under the International Criminal Court Act, 2001.”
    .
    According to legal documents, the only individuals who are entitled to immunity from ordinary criminal law regarding armed attacks are those who are considered under international law to be “lawful combatants” who are participating in an “international armed conflict.”’
    .
    http://endthelie.com/2012/03/12/human-rights-lawyers-british-civilians-are-parties-to-murders-carried-out-by-us-drones/#axzz1ovM6zuLp

  49. @ Mary: Even the Israelis must have realised by now that Regev is strictly for the Catskill comedy circuit. Surely? Maybe some kind agent will get him a gig at the Festival Fringe?
    Thank you. You’ve been wonderful. And I’ve been Komodo. G’night…

  50. “The hell created upon earth.” – Good work Mary – your steadfast reporting is amazing.
    .
    I will screen that video in +16yrs school centres hopefully after putting in English sub-titles – help anyone?
    .
    Nevermind
    .
    All the ‘young ones’ need is awareness and refinement; We realise compassion, feeling and friendship is continually evolving in an uncertain world.

  51. NB would-be god-botherers who may be itching to quiz him on matters Werrity-like, even Gouldish:
    .
    Gus O’Donnell, former UK Cabinet Secretary, who served under 3 UK PMs will speak at LSE on April 26:
    .
    http://bit.ly/yOmiIh

  52. Each day I become more and more dumbstruck at what is being churned out to us.

    .

    Olympics missile sites considered for Blackheath and Shooters Hill
    Eleven police forces and the military are involved in the security effort for London 2012
    .

    Related Stories
    MPs’ concern over Olympic budget
    Missiles ‘may protect 2012 Games’
    .
    The Ministry of Defence (MoD) is considering plans to install surface-to-air missiles in Blackheath and Shooters Hill during the Olympic Games.
    .
    The MoD said it had taken military advice to identify sites to base the defence systems to protect the skies over London in the event of an attack.
    .
    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17351164

  53. Komodo
    “My main criticism of both Gaza and Afghanistan is this.
    The policies DON’T BLOODY WORK. And they could have been predicted not to if any rational thought had been devoted to either issue (as it was by those not in a position to influence policy). They are now self-perpetuating disaster zones.”

    Any look at the condition of failed state Somalia which has had its government repeatedly destroyed should tell you the objective is failed states ( in oil producing countries). The partition of Iraq and establishment of a Kurdish state is not even recognized in commentary. And now the partition of Pakistan by separating Balochistan continues the heritage of the partition of India itself and the continued irritant of Indian territory occupied by Pakistan and now China in Kashmir – Jammal

    One should not underrate the importance of a playground for the military to waste resources at a safe remove so a to stimulate the economy of a weapons making state. Nor of historical analysis by forces in action 170 years ago : and of plans to remove organized local outlets for action so corporations can have unfettered rape and exploitation of resources.

    Interestingly, there was a time when media exposure of the lies employed in media by interests using covert military control to further domestic agendas ( by a friend of Alexander Pope named Arbuthnot ) tended to withdraw forces from tribal ‘stans’ ( lands ) working against topography and culture clash to establish economically unsustainable western style ‘nations’.

    a very curious discourse… a treatise of the art of political lying
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Arbuthnot
    Note the activity re: regulation of drugs and pharmaceuticals as well.

    This is the Long War.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABCA_Armies
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/06/30/call_in_the_calvary?new
    http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB207/
    ( I know it’s marked a secret War Game scenario. So go over to the Project for a New American Century and read their mission statement and objectives if you have qualms. Or check http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB198/index.htm for State’s take.)

    The drug trade is an essential for India’s hospital access to cheap painkillers. The War on Drugs institutionalizes state control of the trade by covert ops.Law Enforcement Against Prohibition and firing of scientific advisers who say the purported danger of drugs is overstated to the degree of being a hoax give colour to domestic effects of international criminal enterprise by ‘lawmakers’.

    Ergo the previously noted http://www.smh.com.au/national/secret-sas-teams-hunt-for-terrorists-20120312-1uwhy.html which you can bet is repeated elsewhere.

    Sibel Edmonds at Boiling Frogs was an FBI translator who became incensed by the duplicity of drug ops and went public.

  54. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    13 Mar, 2012 - 2:29 pm

    The most militarised Olympics since… erm… let me just cast my mind back for a moment……. Mein Gott! Ze wurld iz going vor crazy……. ah yes, I remember now, …since 1936.

  55. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    13 Mar, 2012 - 2:47 pm

    @Mary 13 Mar, 2012 – 2:01 pm
    .
    It’s a bit like being invited round to a friends house for a party. Except the host walks around waving a gun under your nose and is constantly asking if you’re having a good time and isn’t it the best party ever.
    .
    These are people who judge others by their own standards. They wouldn’t think twice about firing rockets at a large group of civilians attending a peaceful sporting event so they assume everyone else will, especially those non-existent terrorists.
    .
    I would like to think that the sight of the British military juxtaposed with the peaceful non-military representatives of so many nations who have had their fellow countrymen sacrificed on the alter of ‘British interests’ might stir up some self-conscious, maybe even introspective, feelings. Instead I fear we are in for a summer fest of….
    .
    BRITAIN IS GREAT
    BRITAIN CAN BE PROUD
    BRITAIN IS GREAT
    (arrest that man)
    BRITAIN CAN BE PROUD
    BRITAIN IS GREAT
    BRITAIN CAN BE PROUD
    BRITAIN IS GREAT
    (there’s another one, get him)
    BRITAIN CAN BE PROUD
    BRITAIN IS GREAT
    BRITAIN CAN BE PROUD

  56. On military insider knowledge the surface missile system(PAAMS) has nothing to do with the Olympics. Sir Kim Darroch in his latest intelligence assessment believes Iran will use ICBM’s if attacked in June/July this year.
    .
    Many more missile systems will encircle the capital and I condemn chiefs of staff for using the Olympics as a convenient distraction for a strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities. This abhorrent pretense for conflict and this veil of trickery undermines the intelligence of an abstract thinking public. It attempts to deceive and treat the British public as imbeciles and simpletons unaware of neocon ambitions of world dominion and subjugation.

  57. It’s just a logical step beyond Servicemen and women hosting Wimbledon…mind you don’t get shrapnel in your strawberries…

  58. Good article. The banksters control the government and the press along with everything else. To get rid of the problem you have to get rid of the banksters. I hope it can be done before they completely wipe out the world population. Stupid, evil people.

  59. En passant:-
    .
    Gilad Atzmon has picked up on one of Craig’s pieces, in which Fox and Werritty were described as “useful idiots”. He dissents:
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    Fox et Werritty n’étaient pas des ‘idiots utiles’ – des personnes qui semblent naïvement soutenir une idéologie ou une pensée étrangère mais sont en fait utilisés cyniquement par une puissance étrangère. Ils savaient exactement ce qu’ils faisaient et qui ils aidaient. Fox, qui disait en 2006, «Les ennemis d’Israël sont nos ennemis et c’est une bataille dans laquelle nous resterons rassemblés, car nous perdrons dans la division» est un chaud partisan d’Israël et est membre des Conservative Friends of Israel (Amis Conservateurs d’Israël). Fox était aussi favorable à la guerre illégale contre l’Irak, une guerre que beaucoup ont considéré comme étant simplement une guerre israélienne de plus mais faite par des soldats britanniques et Américains et, en 2003, il avait voté pour l’invasion de l’Irak. Il soutient aussi une action contre l’Iran.
    .
    http://www.alterinfo.net/Gilad-Atzmon-sur-Adam-Werritty-taupe-du-Mossad-a-Londres_a65171.html
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    I see the Guardian doesn’t want to touch Atzmon these days. Following “protests”, naturally.

  60. Harv

    Its been tried before.

    Barter system.

  61. Komodo;
    Passerby, these are not new thoughts. And the Yanks evidently believe it. Because they want to believe it. They want to believe in the heroic little guy and Superman and John Wayne and Roadrunner beating impossible odds and shooting a lot of guns to achieve some kind of apotheosis. They haven’t quite realised that what they are supporting is purblind Elmer Fudd, wholly obsessed with protecting his carrots against the local wildlife.
    ,
    Brilliant analysis, I have been giggling at this all day long, the visions of Elmer Fudd with anti rocket rockets stammering away and ordering FFFFFFFiirre.
    ,
    ,
    Mary,
    These Olympics no longer reflect the spirit of solidarity and brotherhood of mankind. In fact it is fast becoming to represent the paranoia, mistrust and all that is inhuman.
    ,
    Very sad, how very sad.

  62. Where next in Afghanistan? A tough one. After the Kill Team, Body Parts Collectors, Botched Night Raids(ongoing), Botched Drone Raids(ongoing), Wedding Party Wipeouts, Corpse Desecration, Koran Burning and now Child Massacres, there’s few places left to go. Perhaps NATO-organised cannibalism raids?’

  63. Uzbek in the UK

    13 Mar, 2012 - 5:21 pm

    Complicity of humanitarian interventions in Afghanistan and Iraq is actually complicity of modern days International Relations. What is good, and what is bad? Western powers who support and deal with dictatorships or “medival” regimes get criticised. If they intervene and yet again they get criticised.
    .
    One thing is certain that in globalised age like modern times, one cannot seat at home and assume that far away troubles would not affect what is going on in his own neighbourhood.
    .
    I supported interventions in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Being born under Communist party dictatorship, raised by it, escaping another more brutal and less legitimate dictatorship, I naturally supported any actions that were aimed at putting an end to the dictatorship. It turned out that I was wrong, at least with anticipation of better opportunities and more freedom for those who were oppressed during many generations. It is now clear to me that old time saying “bad peace is better than good war” was very much right. Looking at places like my native Uzbekistan I am now concerned with any sort of liberal prospective and I am now very sceptical of any bright future for many millions of my compatriots and many more billions around the globe who suffer identical fate.

  64. The Israelis could not even keep to the truce. They fired at a funeral.
    .
    Israeli forces fire on Gaza funeral, 3 injured
    Published today (updated) 13/03/2012 15:32
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    Palestinians carry the body of Islamic Jihad militant Bassam al-Ajla during his funeral in Gaza City, March 13, 2012. (Reuters/Suhaib Salem)
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    GAZA CITY (Ma’an) — Israeli forces opened fire on a funeral procession east of Gaza City on Tuesday, injuring three Palestinians, hours after a truce was agreed to halt cross-border violence.
    .
    Mourners carried the bodies of Bassam al-Ajla and Muhammad Thaher, who were killed in an airstrike in the city’s Shujaiyeh neighborhood on Monday evening, to the eastern cemetery.
    .
    Medical spokesman Adham Abu Salmiyah said troops opened fire at the mourners, wounding three people, who were taken to al-Shifa hospital.
    .
    An Israeli army spokeswoman said soldiers “operating along the security fence identified around 50 Palestinians gathered and in accordance with army procedures fired warning shots.”
    .
    Four days of Israeli airstrikes killed 25 Palestinians and wounded more than 80 since Friday, and Gaza militants fired a volley of rockets into Israel, wounding eight Israelis.
    .
    An Egyptian official said a truce to end the violence was in effect since 1 a.m. local time (2300 GMT) Tuesday morning.
    .
    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=467599

  65. A friend sent details of this good website.
    .
    About Games Monitor
    Games Monitor is a network of people raising awareness about issues within the London Olympic development processes.
    .
    We want to highlight the local, London and international implications of the Olympic industry. We seek to deconstruct the ‘fantastic’ hype of Olympic boosterism and the eager complicity of the ‘urban elites’ in politics, business, the media, sport, academia and local institutional ‘community stakeholders’.
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    Our network operates with an open, dynamic principle, and functions as a discussion forum, research body, press and political lobby. Our website and online group provide hubs for publication, information exchange and solidarity networking. We are also a contact point for local, minority, and specialist interviewees for press and broadcast media.
    .
    ‘Among the tasks of a politics of morality [is] to work incessantly toward unveiling hidden differences between official theory and actual progress, between the limelight and the backrooms of political life.’
    Pierre Bourdieu (1930-2002)
    .
    “It appears that the very process of development, even as it transforms a wasteland into a thriving physical and social space, recreates the wasteland inside the developer himself. This is how the tragedy of development works.”
    Marshall Berman
    From: All That is Solid Melts into Air, the experience of modernity. 1982
    .
    http://www.gamesmonitor.org.uk/about

  66. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    13 Mar, 2012 - 5:41 pm

    The Royal Marines, who led the Libya attacks earlier this year, will be based on the Navy’s largest ship, HMS Ocean, just off Greenwich.
    .
    Additional measures include placing snipers in helicopters, putting rapier air-defence missiles on high alert and positioning fighter jets close to the Olympic site, particularly during the opening and closing ceremonies. Air force jets will be shifted to RAF Northolt to be closer to London.

    .
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/8958598/London-2012-Olympics-13500-military-personnel-to-provide-security-for-Games.html

  67. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    13 Mar, 2012 - 6:11 pm

    I still wonder to this day why those ‘Muslim terrorists’ waited for the UK to secure the Olympics before blowing themselves up on 7/7.
    .
    If they had only done it 24 hours earlier they could have done some real damage to Britain’s bid. Then again why buy return tickets to a suicide mission? They must have just been really stupid, even the one that was a school teacher and had contacts with a known MI5 asset.
    .
    ‘Muslim terrorists’ always seem to act at a time when it suits the powers that be, from Washington and London to Tel Aviv.
    .
    The country could also have been denied ‘Lord Coe’, who is nothing more than a glorified Nike salesman on the fiddle. Witness his overtly defensive posture when questioned by the house of commons committee. He’s like a worm on a hook in front of them.
    .
    Regarding Iran and the Olympics, maybe the long overworked ‘dirty bomb’ scenario will get a public airing. With a global audience of billions it should be an Olympics to remember. The good thing about the dirty bomb scenario is no need for massive destruction as long as everyone believes that invisible, odourless electromagnetic radiation is really giving them cancer. Typical Britain, even doing a ‘global disaster’ on the cheap.

  68. I don’t think the articles represent a great awakening in the mainstream media, rather they represent business as usual, that is the media taking their que from the political elite, and this que is changing, because the “narrative” about Afghanistan is changing. A new story replaces the old one, as circumstances alter. Not least the US elections. And the need to focus on new “threats” like Iran and Pakistan.

  69. Uzbek in the UK

    13 Mar, 2012 - 6:31 pm

    By complicity I actualy meant complexity.

  70. Mr and Mrs Charlie Brooks were spared the sight of three racehorses losing their lives today at Cheltenham and it’s only the first day of four. Racing is called the Sport of Kings. Enough said. Poor dumb and magnificent animals.
    .
    Apparently Rebekah now has a daughter called Scarlet who came to her via a surrogate mother.
    .
    Did anyone see Fedorcio the Met’s Press man, at the Leveson Inquiry today? Godfather’s Corleone had nothing on it. His replies came over as croaky whispers in the style of Brando. Perhaps the poor man has a bad throat.
    .
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9140926/Leveson-Inquiry-Dick-Fedorcio-let-NOTW-reporter-write-story-on-Met-computer.html

  71. Mark,

    I’m not a missile expert but, as far as I can tell, the UK PAAMS variant as deployed on Type-45 Destroyers, does not have ballistic missile tracking capabilities and therefore cannot engage them. Also Britain has not purchased the land variant SAMP/T so shouldn’t have any to deploy around London. Unless we borrow them from France or something.
    .
    Interestingly though I see that BAE Systems is currently testing anti-ballistic upgrades to the Sampson radar tracking system on the Isle of Wight according to defence blogs. Whether this is at an advanced enough stage to be rush deployed either on Type-45s (Windows for Warships) or to some other mobile launch platform is a different question entirely though – but would seem unlikely.
    .
    So if any anti-ballistic missile capability is to be installed around London then what will it be as the UK appears officially to have nothing that works yet?

  72. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    13 Mar, 2012 - 7:06 pm

    Apparently Rebekah now has a daughter called Scarlet who came to her via a surrogate mother.
    .
    You have to laugh at the photo she released, trying desperately to look like a woman who has just given birth – even down to wearing what appears to be a nightie.
    .
    I wonder if she used the same surrogate as David Miliband. I wonder who the ‘donor’ was. I watched The Boys From Brazil the other night. Perhaps in 30 years time the world will be run by Rupert Murdoch clones.

  73. I always wondered why Bremner Bird and Fortune were taken off the box until I remembered a sketch they did re: why Afghanistan? And their answer was copper iron diamonds gas oil and the TAPI pipeline: this was way back in 2001 or 2,whoops we can’t have popular comedians telling it like it is ,so out you go. Pity that.Caught Newspeak with Bellusman last night guesting Hutton from Hell frothing on re: degrading Al Queda and how well we had done .Why is the man ,indeed both of them,not in padded calls? To finish, a couple of verses from a wee song I wrote back in 2001 especially dedicated to Torturing Tony and all who aided him.
    “Bomb ‘em all”

    Bomb ‘em all, bomb ‘em all
    Bomb all those Afghans Iraqis and Kurds
    Bomb all their weddings their wells and their herds
    For we’re pre-empting death to them all
    As under their rubble they crawl
    Where the D.U. s aboil
    In their water and soil
    So beer’s up me lords bomb ‘em all.

    Oh bomb ‘em all,bomb ‘em all
    Bomb all those Afghans Iraqis and Kurds
    Bomb all their weddings their wells and their herds
    For Nuremberg came and Nuremberg went
    Now it s just bomb ‘n buy all in a tent.
    Stuff Magna Carta well out of date
    It s gun size now it s gun size mate;
    So go strike through their soil
    And slurp slurp up their oil
    It’s beers up me lords it s beers up me lords
    Bomb ‘em all.
    Ad infinitum.
    N.B. D.U. is of course Depleted Uranium.

    I sang this number,it has many more verses,outside the Labour Party Conference at Brighton,in 04 as I recall.The delegates were on their way to lunch and Mandleson to my suprise looked faintly embarrassed,though it could just have been at my tuneless caterwauling.Later Brian Haw and I ,may he rest in peace, would sing it through megaphones in Parliament Sq: until the sickos passed yet another “law” forbidding it,the megaphones I mean! Democracy, don’t cha just love it.

  74. spam bot heaven

    13 Mar, 2012 - 10:00 pm

    @Anon 13 Mar, 2012 – 7:03 pm
    —-
    Windows for Warships. That’s just great. I brought a bootleg copy of that in China a couple of years ago. It’s the same as Windows XP but comes without minesweep, so as not to cause any confusion on the bridge.

  75. Anon,
    .
    I cannot confirm or deny Britain has just two L-Band SMART-L 3D tracking radar systems and CAMM(L)missile sites will have data links to these two systems.

  76. Mark, interesting experiment if that’s the case. Just hope all these untied combinations don’t shoot down the Israeli athletes plane by mistake and get us all nuked.

    Found this genuine Windows for Warships (as deployed on Type-45s) support call

    Windows for Warships: Crash Report
    Transcript of Support Request RN302896.

    WINDOWS SUPPORT
    Thank you for calling Microsoft Windows for Warships Support Line. Where do you want to blow up today?

    COMMANDER
    This is Commander Nelson of HMS Excel. We appear to be under attack and our computer keeps freezing.

    WINDOWS SUPPORT
    I see. Are you sitting in front of your computer now?

    COMMANDER
    Yes. Also, our Combat Management System is telling us we need different drivers to fire our missiles.

    WINDOWS SUPPORT
    OK. Can you click the Start Menu?

    COMMANDER
    Start menu, yes…

    WINDOWS SUPPORT
    And select My Battleship…

    COMMANDER
    It’s asking for my Hotmail password.

    WINDOWS SUPPORT
    OK Put that in. Now, open the program Microsoft Assured Destruction and right click on Defence Properties.

    COMMANDER
    Aha. I’m there.

    WINDOWS SUPPORT
    Select “We’re all going to die”.

    COMMANDER
    What?
    ===

    Rest at http://www.socialscrutiny.org/weblog.php?id=P211

  77. “untied combinations”.
    I meant “untried combinations” but maybe the typo is telling me something.
    .
    Oh, and I made up the bit about the support call being genuine. I hope :-)

  78. Re the consummate Israeli saxophonist & confusionist Gilad Atzon (see above comment from Komodo), this, just issued, needs to be disseminated as widely as possible:
    .
    http://bit.ly/wz5g96

  79. Former US marine Ken O’Keefe describes in horrific detail massive Israeli state barbarism in Gaza:
    .
    http://t.co/M1CgUd1t

  80. Part 2 of O’Keefe at University of Westminster:
    .
    http://bit.ly/AyrpoI

  81. And Part 3:
    .
    http://bit.ly/x2mnH0

  82. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    14 Mar, 2012 - 5:57 am

    WhereItzAtz 14 Mar, 2012 – 12:34 am Re the consummate Israeli saxophonist & confusionist Gilad Atzon (see above comment from Komodo), this, just issued, needs to be disseminated as widely as possible.
    .
    Why does it? Nothing new here. Claims that Atzmon (If your going to smear someone you could at least try and get the name right) is a self-hating racist have been around for ages. I have yet to read anything written by him that supports those baseless accusations.
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    It’s odd how the US Palestinian Community Network seems to arrive at the exact same points of view as right-wing Israeli Jews but from the completely opposite direction of claiming to speak for Palestinians, even if using the most tortuous language which seems more concerned with the rights of the Zionist squatters.
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    Challenging Zionism, including the illegitimate power of institutions that support the oppression of Palestinians, and the illegitimate use of Jewish identities to protect and legitimize oppression, must never become an attack on Jewish identities, nor the demeaning and denial of Jewish histories in all their diversity.
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    Even when those ‘Jewish histories’ are clearly and provably inventions made for political purposes? Such as those detailed in Shlomo Sands (Professor of History, Tel Aviv University) book The Invention Of The Jewish People? And, of course, the Settlers have legitimate ‘Jewish identities’ don’t they? So don’t go criticizing them either, right?
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    “Indeed, we regard any attempt to link and adopt antisemitic or racist language, even if it is within a self-described anti-imperialist and anti-Zionist politics, as reaffirming and legitimizing Zionism.”
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    Antisemitic or racist language? According to who? Oh, I see… back to square one we go. Baseless accusations… a typical recursive argument that goes nowhere. The irony of suggesting that the use of racist language [is] legitimizing Zionism seems to be lost on the author.
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    The simple fact is that there is not one single quote provided which shows that Atzmon has been antisemitic or racist. Surely, as a published writer who is ‘antisemitic and racist’ it shouldn’t be at all difficult to let his words speak for themselves, but no. Instead we are asked to take their word for it that he is what they accuse him of. Pathetic (as usual).

  83. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    14 Mar, 2012 - 6:21 am

    On the heels of a people’s victory for freedom and democracy in Egypt, the US Palestinian Community Network-NYC will present the Palestinian Authority with a pink slip terminating its employment as the leadership of the Palestinian people
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    How very ‘democratic’ of them.
    http://mondoweiss.net/2011/02/us-palestinian-community-network-to-pa-youre-fired.html

  84. Is the Institute of Cultural Democracy (there’s a handle) a CIA run outfit? Any information on funding on the website was vague and any setup that has Chertoff on the board makes me think that might be the case. There were also many other connections to the evil EmPyre, ex Ambassadors and so on.
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    One of the fellow speakers at that conference was the nephew of Assad and the son of the Butcher of Hama, now residing in a £10m pad in Mayfair, sold to him by the Duke of Westminster. Rifat Assad who lives next door in similar luxury, runs the UK based arm of the SNC, grandly titled the Organisation of Democracy and Freedom in Syria and equivalent to the Libyan rebel/rabble brigade.
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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/8571164/Syrias-Butcher-of-Hama-living-in-10-million-Mayfair-townhouse.html

  85. @ downwith…

    Re. Atzmon:
    Quite so. And see also Jenny Tonge, another effective and principled voice the lobby would like to howl down.

  86. I really would ask the Institute of Cultural Diplomacy (as opposed to the I of C *Democracy*, which is an American arty outfit) what they did with your video, Craig. And why.

  87. As the UN becomes increasingly concerned about the extent of torture in Syria, and as our leaders queue up to issue soundbites demonstrating their humanitarian concerns, my mind goes back to the heady days of the Bush administration….

    (floaty going-back-in-time music)

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,386033,00.html

  88. Another in the “We were such good friends, but it’s time to move on. It’s not you, darling, it’s me” department.
    http://wikileaks.org/spyfiles/files/0/105_AMESYS-PROP_GEN_SECU_V2.pdf

  89. DownWithFreeSpeech

    14 Mar, 2012 - 10:12 am

    People gassin about the deaths of soldiers! What about the innocent familys who have been brutally killed.. The women who have been raped.. The children who have been sliced up..! Your enemy’s were the Taliban not innocent harmless familys. All soldiers should DIE & go to HELL! THE LOWLIFE FOKKIN SCUM! gotta problem go cry at your soliders grave & wish him hell because that where he is going.
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    The author faces a “racially aggravated public order charge” for this Facebook comment.
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    Hmm, nothing racial there. Nope, can’t see anything aggravating either. Public order seems to be fine – he did only get six likes after all. Still, we need to make an example of him. We can’t have people going around willy nilly saying what they like, what sort of country would that make us?

  90. Uzbek in the UK

    14 Mar, 2012 - 10:36 am

    @ Mary
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    Thank you for the info on Rifat al-Asad. Another confirmation of “Money do not smell” truth.
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    I wonder how many uzbek “butchers” have purchased properties in EU and in London in particular?

  91. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    14 Mar, 2012 - 10:48 am

    Komodo 14 Mar, 2012 – 8:40 am.
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    page 37. All this happens in the UK, and then some.
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    Another system running on the most compromised computing platform in the history of the world, when will they learn?
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    The Chinese are excellent programmers and can probably take down the West without firing a shot. I bet most of these systems are already infected with their trojans sitting quietly, patiently, watching and waiting…

  92. I probably should have stressed in my post that the link referred to a US company happily creating Gaddafi’s “homeland security” system for him, in 2006. Maybe there’s a lesson for dodgy dictators there – buy Chinese, and avoid being shot by the salesman?

  93. Uzbek in the UK

    14 Mar, 2012 - 12:34 pm

    Komodo
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    I believe that no weapon producing government allows to export weapons against which they do not have defence. It is certainly what US/UK weapon producers do, and I am certain that Russian and Chinese follow the suit. Both China and Russia are known to export weapons to dictatorships (not to say here that US/UK do not do it) but this does not make those who purchase these weapons immune to the western interventions. What is more important here is for regimes to be immune to western interventions to be western puppets and allow western industries/companies to scam their population.

  94. No doubt. But selling a well-known bastard a system by which he can further repress his people, or rendering captives to a well-known complete arsehole for torture do not fit exactly with the noble sentiments currently being expressed by Obama, Hague et al, do they? It’s the sheer flexibility of these people that frightens me.

  95. Uzbek in the UK

    14 Mar, 2012 - 1:32 pm

    @ Komodo
    “It’s the sheer flexibility of these people that frightens me.”
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    Is not this “sheer flexibility” what makes world to spin around? We sell small arms to Africans so that they can enslave their compatriots and supply us diamonds that are sold in luxurious places in the west. We sold arms to Madjahedins in Afghanistan so that they could kick out Russians but then they turned those arms against us and kicking us out. US supplies arms to various paramilitary groups in South America for decades, so that South American resources continue to benefit US multinational corporations. Russia is supplying arms to various former soviet regimes so that they make sure that Russia is still supreme in the region. China is supplying arms to various nasty regimes in North Korea and Myanmar so that they ensure that China has weight in the region.
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    The root of the problem here is that Third World continue to remain Third World with its main motto “use and abuse us, we are dispensable ”.

  96. Yes, Uzbek, absolutely. All we can hope for is that if we keep banging on about it, someone will take a little notice. Particularly the people in whose name these evil things are done, and who may one day switch off their TV’s and realise they are being being lied to. Just keep plugging away, and don’t get wedded to any dubious organisations!

  97. Uzbek
    …. We sold arms to Madjahedins in Afghanistan
    Those arms were a gift from the good people of US to good Mujaheds of Afghanistan, that was before the fake 9/11 attacks and the current bums rush to war of terror.
    ,
    Without sounding condescending or patronizing, your latest post actually do make sense, I am getting worried about your health Uzbek, what gives?
    ,
    Uzbek you have began to see through the fog of lies and obfuscation, the good guys and bad guys dress almost the same, there is very little room for error left. These days post colonial; neocolonialism seeks only to divest the colonies from their assets in an industrial and clinical fashion, through remote controlled drones set as “dear leaders” of the respective colonies.

  98. Mainstream media awakes? More probably a change of enemy, so history needs redrafted. Recall the unblushing smoothness with which the media switched from blaming Iran for the Lockerbie bombing to blaming Libya. They weren’t suddenly seeing the truth then, just reading from a new script. We are at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

  99. @ Mary – yes Mark Regev is a complete and utter comedian. He looks like a spitting image character of himself.
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    .
    And as for the genocide called Operation cast lead, this article shows the scam and lies broadcast by both the Zionists and their media regarding their excuses for this slaughter
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    http://www.spinwatch.org/-articles-by-category-mainmenu-8/73-middle-east/5317-how-israel-torpedoed-its-ceasefire-with-hamas-to-produce-a-casus-belli

  100. Smeggypants,
    Ever noticed the whining ziofuckwits droning on , and on ; “no one should live under the fear of “rocket” attacks ……..” These monsters liars somehow never include the Palestinians in their “no one” set. Hence the constant aerial bombardment of the Gaza, and West Bank does not count.
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    The genuflecting toadies in the “media” going along with the macabre charade never questions the ziofuackwits either.

  101. Uzbek in the UK

    14 Mar, 2012 - 3:29 pm

    @ Passerby
    “These days post colonial; neocolonialism seeks only to divest the colonies from their assets in an industrial and clinical fashion, through remote controlled drones set as “dear leaders” of the respective colonies.”
    .
    Here I agree with you 100%.
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    It seems like there are no good guys amongst those who make decision on war and peace and on how to organise public finances. And it further seems that there never been good guys amongst them. But yet we all live for many millennias.
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    There is a thin (or thick) line between thoughts and real world. Between what we think (what is good or bad) and how we live. Those of us who by the chance of life have access to power either through public post/commercial success/power usurpation will always be driven by power hunger and will be motivated by increase of material gain through access to power. For instance it is well known that most of the dictators have gain many billions in material values but yet they still starve their population and deny them any rights (and this is in real world). We think that these dictators are wrong and that they deserve punishment but in real world they are very much accommodated by us in our will to get a small (or large) share of what they have gained.
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    One might think that change of order (regime change) would help to bring some justice but witnessing revolutions in the past it is certain that they (revolutions) do not lead to justice. They only replace one unjust order with another, sometimes even more unjust.
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    Any suggestions on how to break through this vacuous circle?

  102. Its not so much the brainwashed foot soldier [ airman,marine,sailor ] who are in desperate

  103. Mark Regev’s infamous “Rockets Raining down on Israel” crap made me spew coffee over my monitor. These rockets barely make it over the gaza border and most of them fall in fields well before they even reach Sderot.
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    Given the way Gaza is ghettoised in manner akin to ghettoising Jews in 1930s Germany I’m surprised the armed resistance from the people of Gaza isn’t actually at a higher level.
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    .
    The French Freedom Fighters were regarded as heroes.

  104. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    14 Mar, 2012 - 5:26 pm

    Any suggestions on how to break through this vacuous circle?
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    Have you read Animal Farm? Even though it’s an allegorical look at communism it applies equally to any totalitarian system. Quite depressing.
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    Coincidentally I came across this today…
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    On 17 July 2009, Amazon.com withdrew certain Amazon Kindle titles, including Animal Farm and Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell, from sale, refunded buyers, and remotely deleted items from purchasers’ devices
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    Oh, the irony.

  105. The Guardian online bookshop sells Mein Kampf (with a health warning), but following complaints has dropped Gilad Atzmon.
    I think this
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/11/open-door-controversial-titles-guardian-bookshop
    was offered as an explanation. But I cannot really conceive the mind that would accept it as such.

  106. I am sorry I got the name of the ICD wrong, instead of calling it the Institute of Cultural Diplomacy. Must have democracy, or rather the lack of it lately, on my mind.

    .
    The funding details are vague and they do have Chertoff to speak quite often.
    http://www.culturaldiplomacy.org/index.php?search&searchstart=1&searchwords=chertoff
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    Funding – {http://www.culturaldiplomacy.org/index.php?en_donation}
    Board – {http://www.culturaldiplomacy.org/index.php?en_advisoryboard} Count the number of US connections.
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  107. I made exactly the same mistake, skip-reading Craig’s post. Which is how I came to be looking at an irrelevant site and wondering how I got there… :-)

  108. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    14 Mar, 2012 - 7:30 pm

    On this thread a couple of days ago two comments were made along the same lines…
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    In addition the warnings are afoot for the impeding hose pipe ban (this means there is to be a rise in the water rates that is coming to combat the drought and help the profits of the private water companies) because we are in a drought already.
    .
    and…
    .
    What about using less energy’? What happens is the energy companies see revenues and profits fall and so create artificial supply and distribution chains. The distribution companies can now justify insane energy price increases by blaming the suppliers.The money spent on energy counts towards GDP ‘growth’ in the economy, which is used to ‘offset’ the inflation of increasing energy prices. The suppliers are based offshore so avoid paying UK tax.
    .
    Today the Daily Mail has two stories, one about ‘greedy water firms’ increasing prices and the other about ‘energy giants’ pocketing billions by using dodgy accounting.
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    Is the Daily Mail trawling comments sections of blogs looking for topical material?
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2114791/Greedy-water-firms-send-bills-soaring-8-days-hosepipe-ban-introduced.html
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/bills/article-2114463/Energy-giants-pocket-168-second-despite-big-dip-power-use-wholesale-prices.html

  109. That moment when the helicopters depart from Afghanistan is drawing ever closer: Panetta Is Safe After Breach Near His Plane at Afghan Base:

    KABUL, Afghanistan — A tense visit to Afghanistan by Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta got off to an unscripted start when a stolen truck sped onto a runway ramp at the British military airfield as his plane was landing. Mr. Panetta was unhurt, but Pentagon officials said the Afghan driver emerged from the vehicle in flames.

  110. O/T
    I can think of one or two people who could do with £2000 of UK taxpayers’ cash, but congratulations to our Ambassador to Israel for finding a worthier cause…
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    http://www.tayarutdarom.co.il/en/?p=1588

  111. Well spotted Komodo. Yet the munificent (with our money) Gould conpletely ignored several pleas from us to intervene in Khader Adnan’s plight.
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/21/palestinian-prisoner-ends-hunger-strike

  112. You’d think that being Ambassador to Israel, and paid for it, he’d stay in Israel, wouldn’t you? But here he is making sure that all is well with the ersatz-Israelis over here.
    http://www.ujia.org/news/1421/british-ambassador-designate-shares-hopes-with-ujia-s-patrons/
    Gotta admire his commitment, really.

  113. http://www.ujia.org/who-we-are/whos-who/ Chairman – Mick Davis Xstrata. Werritty donor. Also Gove donor.
    .
    {http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/8840033/City-financiers-fund-Michael-Goves-private-office.html}
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    The rest of the British jewry rich list – {http://www.ujia.org/who-we-are/whos-who/1096/ujia-lay-leaders/}

  114. Even further o/t:
    Is the Pope a Catholic? No.
    http://menmedia.co.uk/trafford/news/s/600346_the_pope_was_jewish_says_historian
    (He also thinks SamCam is a direct descendent of Moses)

  115. Komodo,
    Also the all encompassing “Was Jewish” reports, include none other than the Hitler. Although disappointingly so far Eva Braun has not been identified as Eva Bagelmister the Jewish Yenta in the next village, however this kind of research takes time, as you know!
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    This line of propaganda is in line with the zionist supremacists dogma. The underlying “fact” is no one can be as good as the “Master Race” composed of these supremacists, ever, ever, ever dammit!!!!!! Hence, if there exist leaders, or those who influence the events, for these to be none Jewish makes a mockery of the Jewish Supremacists dogma. Therefore in the best of rabbinical practices, these outstanding goyiem are shanghaied into the faith and the problem no longer exists.
    ,
    So stand corrected, the only clever “master Race” is the one anointed by the zionist supremacists, that is unlike the cute li’ll iguanas, and the rest of we the canaille/untermensch!!!!

  116. @ passerby:
    Oh dear. I was just trying to lighten up a bit. There used to be an African guy who stood at Hyde Park Corner on Sundays, ranting about how Europe actually belonged to the Africans, and how we were all African anyway (or something – it’s a long time ago and I forget the details) He had had leprosy, and as the nerves in the remaining stumps of his hands had died, he could thump the billboard in front of him with frightening force, and got a lot of attention. Absolutely any current event, I do remember, was relevant to the white European conspiracy….there is a danger of reading too much into the “Zionist conspiracy”, and the antidote is facts.
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    Sure, Zionism = supremacism. It is very far from the only creed to be so. What is depressing is that -let’s whisper it – it’s succeeding because its supporters are very much smarter than we are at business, buying political influence and networking. Instead of ranting about Zionism, we would do a lot better to emulate it….

  117. …and btw I am not a bloody iguana. Vegetarian treehugging hippies, iguanas.

  118. FedUp
    Emulate or emasculate the Zionists. That is the question.

  119. Matthew Gould’s Diary (cont’d)
    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/65171/uk-culture-minister-urges-hi-tech-dialogue

    No, Matthew, you’re supposed to be promoting OUR interests to THEM, not theirs to us…

  120. Komodo,
    How can they get away with this?

  121. Self-promotion, networking and bribery. How does anyone ever get away with fraud?

  122. Spinning…
    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/65164/boycott-what-boycott-uk-israel-trade-booming

    There were £1.57 billion worth of UK exports (to Israel -K) and £2.18 billion of Israeli exports (to the UK – K)in 2011, primarily in pharmaceuticals, machinery, diamonds and technology.
    Do the maths. And, incidentally, take a look at Israel’s sources of rough diamonds…

  123. Of course,its not only the brain washed and/or damaged professional soldier who is in such desperate need of a trick cyclist but also the privately educated amateur brainless puppet master or politician who uses other folks children to execute their own misguided selfish war games for power and/or profit.At one time any state educated child over ten could have told you it was utter madness to get involved with Afghanistan in any way at all because you would lose both your rifle @ reputation up the Khyber Pass;then@now.Moreover,my 12 year old grandson could tell the PM modern history did not start 9/11 or ground/zero as the bLIAR/Bush bridgade would have us all mis/believe.

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