Beyond Irony

by craig on March 14, 2012 4:47 pm in Uncategorized

The videos of both my speech and my interview at the Berlin Freedom of Expression Forum have been taken down. This is not an accident. All the other speeches and all the other interviews are still there. Both series have been renumbered to hide the fact that someting has been removed.

Given that my talk was about censorship and exclusion of whistleblowers, and the lack of genuine freedom in western societies to explain an alternative policy narrative, it is hard for words adequately to describe the apparent behaviour here. The full title of the event was “Censorship and Freedom in Traditional and New Media: The Revolution of Media as a Tool of Freedom of Expression “.

I have written to the organisers to ask what is happening. It is conceivable there is an innocent explanation, though the removal from different places of both the speech and the interview seems hard to explain. Once I hear back from the Institute for Cultural Diplomacy I will let you know. I do not intend to let this lie.

Craig

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181 Comments

  1. We need to elect decent representatives not lobby fodder.

  2. Where can we see the video of the missing speech

  3. Dammit, I’d earmarked them to watch later. Has someone downloaded them so we can host them elsewhere?

  4. Not surprised. We live in less of a democracy than the lands the West always moans are not democracies. Would love to see both if you can post them.

  5. I bet you don’t get a reply to your email.

  6. My cached version says :
    ——–
    H.E. Ambassador Craig Murray (Former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, Blogger) – Interview conducted by Arion Thoksakis, James Davies and Magdalena Pietrzak
    ——–
    Are the people who conducted the interview known to you? Can they be asked about WTH is going on?
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    Why not the organisation a call: Tel.: +49 (0) 30 2360 7680

  7. I had also earmarked it to watch later. I have also emailed the ICD, for what it’s worth. Looking for the video on Google resulted in a missing page (the cached version merely linked to this blog),two bad links, and a selection of irrelevant Murrays. But let us not prejudge the issue. There may be a perfectly rational explanation for the video’s first being removed from Youtube, apparently by the ICD, and then, much later, the link itself being deleted from the ICD site. I shall be intrigued to see what it is. And I am happy to witness that the link and the live video were both there yesterday.

  8. In a recent blog about the media, I had created a link with your 2 videos which I had watched – see http://nomadron.blogspot.com/2012/03/fighting-big-brother.html
    I have now E-mailed the Institute and asked for an explanation………

  9. Aaaahhh! Light begins to dawn. What else was Craig doing in Berlin, eh? Peruse the following, my lords and ladies, if you will…
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    http://www.uznews.net/news_single.php?lng=en&sub=&cid=31&nid=19325

  10. 1984

  11. Ronald Young:
    I don’t know if this is still the case, but last night I was getting “page does not exist” for the page with your link here. Google had however cached it. Good blog, btw. Will read again.

  12. Craig, were you able to make copies of the videos before they were taken down?

  13. For the record:
    The former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, has also roundly criticized the relationship between Germany and the Karimov regime in Uzbekistan.

    Speaking at the High Level Hearings on Uzbekistan, held in Berlin on 1 March, Murray said that Termez was the first military base Germany had taken over beyond its own borders since the end of World War II.

    “It is ironic that Germany’s first overseas military base is being used to reinforce the totalitarian system in Uzbekistan,” said Murray.

    He also revealed his contempt for the hypocrisy of European and particularly German politicians who try to justify their cooperation with Karimov by citing dubious ‘progress’ in Uzbekistan’s approach to human rights.

    It would be more honest, Murray said, if politicians in the EU and Germany admitted that they cooperate with Karimov because of the military base in Termez which is essential to them in supporting their military campaign in Afghanistan.
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    Uznews.net (author not credited)
    14.03.12 05:16
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    Well, hear, hear, but not very diplomatic…

  14. I downloaded the videos (in paranoid anticipation of the outcome to be honest) and just tried to upload them to Youtube. Rejected as too long. Probably fair enough – I’m not a regular Youtube user so I’ve no idea what the upload limits are. I have the flv’s here, though, if there’s anywhere else I can upload them to.

  15. I seem to remember one of the vids was 8 minutes. if so you should be able to increase your upload limit to 15 mins. No, I don’t understand a word of this, but you may:
    http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=71673
    And what’s a DMCA notification? It’s a copyright thing. And a very good way of disappearing stuff posted on the interweb, I gather…

  16. I think this is potential scandal for them, they will surely have to respond.

    See the channels activity here,
    http://www.youtube.com/user/icdchannel/feed?filter=2

    Post a comment/complaint here,
    http://www.youtube.com/user/icdchannel/feed?filter=1

    Wayfarer – you’re a gem. Those flvs could come in handy.

  17. Wayfarer,
    Well done, obviously you know the lay of the land and are aware of the memoryhole.
    ,
    Could you torrent these and let us upload these for the sake of multiplicity of record?
    ,

  18. A link is now back pointing to a new upload at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUZTiAoaax4

    i currently get “Video is being processed – check back in a few minutes

  19. komodo your indefatigable tongues has once again lead you to the rotten smell of hypocrisy. Germany’s foreing relations, exactly due to this being their first overseas base for some time, are highly sensitive, especially when other NATO partners are talking about pulling out.
    Great thinking, wayfarer, I’m sure somebody can advise on how to upload it. Once its somewhere secure, you have a nice little story to tell to the Spiegel, if they dare touch it.

    I expect that the institutes funding was questioned, that strings were pulled. I also suspect that the bulk of their funds are from the public coffers and that the critic of an ex ambassador rankels somewhat, wagging his fingers at German acceptance to third Reich torture and largescale human rights violations, slavery against children and a perpetual campaign against all things Muslim.
    I have only listened to half of the interview, so don’t know what it was especially that riled comrad de Maiziere, but you can be rest assured that the little red rooster has not lost his guile for top doown delivery, Thomas does not like it up him and must have intervened with your principled delivery.

    Which has presented you with an opportunity to try and get this ‘scandal’ covered in Germany somehow. Hamburger Abendblatt, possibly der Spiegel, but I’m not so sure anymore, establishment and information is still something thats controlled. Maybe a newspaper from a neighbouring country, Danemark?, Sweden? Don’t try it in the CDU/CSU triangle, anything south of hanover wil not touch the story with a bargepole I think. There is a Nerlin underground, anarchists and rightleaning groups, grey wolfs and other militants, who would probably find a way of getting it heard and seen in Berlin.
    Once you got the tape secure, the fact of its removal is the story and why de Maiziere?, what is it that the old commi has got going with Karimov?

  20. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    14 Mar, 2012 - 7:43 pm

    We have learned in recent years to translate almost all of political life in terms of conspiracy. – John le Carré.

  21. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    14 Mar, 2012 - 8:08 pm

    I’ve had personal experience of hidden hands. Last year I had two websites domain names redirected to a holding page saying that the sites were no longer available due to copyright infringement. One was clearly within the definition of fair use and the other had publicly available US Government data.
    .
    Shortly after that my DNS service provider ‘accidentally’ deleted my DNS zones which had the effect of rendering my email addresses useless, they admitted this but said they were ‘unable to restore the records due to bad backup media’.
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    Since then I have been banned from posting on a large number of sites, including all those where DISQUS and IntenseDebate provide the commenting service, I could create new id’s and go through proxies etc. but it’s just not worth it. In fact this is one of the few places left where I can post stuff. I hope it’s not a honey pot. Hey spooks, leave me alone! 😉

  22. and it was the most viewed video of the icd list when watched a day ago

  23. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    14 Mar, 2012 - 8:55 pm

    “Both series have been renumbered to hide the fact that someting has been removed.”
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    Craig, if you mean the numbers on the top-left of the thumbnails, I think they’re just an artifact of the youtube system, i.e. it’s done automatically.

  24. The main video is now back at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUZTiAoaax4 and is now live. No sign of the interview reappearing. I’d watched the first video but not yet the interview. What did you say in the interview? Can someone please upload that if it it isn’t out back up officially.

  25. Roger Whittaker

    14 Mar, 2012 - 9:15 pm

    It seems to be back now at the bottom of the list.

    Number 42:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUZTiAoaax4&list=PL40E07B72E759D5C6&index=42&feature=plpp_video

  26. @Komodo – too much rigmarole to increase the Youtube limit – even if I half-understood it all.
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    @Fedup – yep, I always download stuff I haven’t time to watch right away – never does to assume it’ll be there when I get back. I’m afraid I can’t torrent it – wouldn’t know where to start.
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    Anyway, everyone, Anon has just pointed us all back to at least one fresh Youtube copy. Thanks for the link Anon.
    .
    Though it might still be as well to start downloading, folks… :o) ;o)
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    I’m no techie, but for those who want to know, I use Firefox and find the Downloadhelper addon is pretty good for saving a lot of onscreen videos – just a click or two to download most Youtube stuff.

  27. David Melvill

    14 Mar, 2012 - 9:28 pm

  28. Dick the Prick

    14 Mar, 2012 - 9:51 pm

    Didn’t get yer knob out did ya? Nah, seriously, smells a bit iffy – just like my knob coincidentally, taxi, taxi….. All the best.

  29. DownWithThisSortOfThing You will do your best to keep going. I have had some trouble in our efforts to get an inquest on Dr Kelly as the law of this benighted country requires.

    I recall an elderly Jewish lady in Jerusalem who had been through the mill. She said, touching her nose with a forefinger,’I can smell fascism’. The obliteration of Craig’s address on censorship and the exclusion of whistle blowers is a facet of fascism. It is now all about us. The 19 yr old with an Arab name who posted some words on Facebook about the 6 dead service personnel, who were part of an illegal occupation and war, was arrested and gaoled.

    I define fascism as – the subjugation of the individual’s will and freedom by an overweening state. 
    Humanity withers, freedom of speech is stifled and the soul dies. Self preservation becomes a dominant drive.

    The facilitation of murder by a state, and its cover up, is fascism too.

  30. Internet samizdat, here we come.

  31. “It seems to be back now at the bottom of the list.
    Number 42”
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    Aha! So that’s the answer.

  32. “The 19 yr old with an Arab name who posted some words on Facebook about the 6 dead service personnel, who were part of an illegal occupation and war, was arrested and gaoled.”
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    And there was some terrible stuff posted on Facebook about HIM. But nobody else arrested?
    “A Tale Of Two States: Azhar Ahmed and Scott McHugh”
    http://harrypaterson.co.uk/blog/a-tale-of-two-states-azhar-ahmed-and-scott-mchugh/#comments

  33. No justice in the High Court for those seeking an inquest for Dr Kelly and none for the nuclear test veterans today in the Supreme Court. Shame on this rotten state.
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    14 March 2012 Last updated at 15:35
    Veterans lose nuclear weapons test damages bid
    The British nuclear tests took place in the South Pacific region in the 1950s
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    Nuclear veterans win appeal bid
    MoD wins appeal over atomic tests
    Nuclear test veterans can sue MoD
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    Hundreds of ex-servicemen allegedly made ill by nuclear weapons tests in the 50s have lost a Supreme Court bid to be allowed to seek compensation.
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    The court ruled it was too long since the problems – including cancer and skin defects – had emerged, for the claims against the Ministry of Defence.
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    The ruling related to nine “lead claims”, from a total of 1,011 cases.
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    The MoD denies the tests involved radiation exposure and that health problems resulted from this.
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    The group of 1,011 ex-servicemen has battled for more than two years through the High Court and Court of Appeal for permission to launch damages claims against the Ministry of Defence.
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    In the Supreme Court on Wednesday, a panel of seven judges rejected this bid by a majority of four to three.
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    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17364359

  34. Was it something you said?

  35. It’s worth watching some of the other ICD videos to gain an insight into alternative perspectives. The BBC journalist and presenter Clive Myrie gives a passionate justification of the right of the MSM to censor news output. He highlights the Ryan “Gaggs” affair (in which a perfectly legal superinjunction was breached by Twittering perps, thereby undermining the rule of law) and the woman who was filmed parking in the middle of a public road in Bath and abusing and threatening the guy with the camera (apparently it’s an outrage that she was publicly humiliated). His argument is that social media breaches human rights by exposing private shame to public disgrace. Unregulated freedom of expression is allegedly bad because it embarrasses people who’ve done naughty things, hurts newspaper sales, and inhibits “creativity” (there’s a euphemism if ever there was one). Oh, and he casually mentions that St Tony Bliar didn’t actually try to control the media; instead, the rise of the internet decentralised information flow, so he was forced into “managing” it.
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    Mr Myrie argues that the internet breaks the law on news regulation, and laments the fact that people can say “whatever they like” under the clock of anonymity, and much of the time “they get away with it”. It shouldn’t be allowed. He proposes that Facebook and Twitter should perhaps have some system of internal regulation whereby people who leak information can be traced and sanctioned. He concludes that the internet should be filtered and policed, not necessarily by the national governments (though maybe the UN). He smears the ubiquitous counterargument that freedom of expression should be protected, as a “battlecry”. He also expresses anger at the support given to the “charlatan” Julian Assange by the Frontline Club, of which he is a founder member.
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    Censorship straight from the horse’s mouth. These are the people who are feeding us the news. Utter fucking disgrace!

  36. Yes, Nextus, that sounds exactly like the BBC. The British “Pravda”. It is run and staffed by superior people, who know what we canaille should think and feel, and never hesitate to tell us.

  37. You are not the only one, Craig:
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    “On June 10, 2011 my Google account was hacked, this blog was deleted and my YouTube channel suspended. I managed to get them back, but apparently someone is not happy with the information I’m sharing here, so if you can make an offline copy of the site’s content you’re surely advised to do so.”
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    http://subliminalmanipulation.blogspot.com/2010/09/subliminal-messages-in-advertising-in.html

  38. Absolutely vile

    Makes me feel like you said you felt in ‘HEARTSICK’ – really appreciated that

    ‘Sometimes the horror of the abuse of power in the world just seems to close in, and I want to run away from the toil of blogging against it. To rage against the dying of the light is indeed noble; but also energy-sapping, and the light dies anyway.’

    It is like a horror story – impervious and domineering robots running the world. Makes you want to scream as they look through you…

    But we already have more by far than anyone still in the thrall of that mindset – theirs is not the power of love or truth or honour

    You have a true standing, Craig, and you don’t have to lie to yourself every day

  39. A Cambridge PhD student is banned for seven terms, ie rusticated until 2014, for making a protest against Willetts.
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    ‘The student, named by a student newspaper as Owen Holland, read out a poem that included the lines: “You are a man who believes in the market and in the power of competition to drive up quality. But look to the world around you: your gods have failed.”‘
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    http://m.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/mar/14/cambridge-student-ban-protest-david-willetts?cat=education&type=article
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    The full text of the poem. {http://www.defendeducation.co.uk/go-home-david-an-epistle-to-david-willetts}

  40. Is this the interview which was “lost”? ……… http://youtu.be/d1GwdXE7Xp8
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  41. @ Rob,

    ” 1984 ” ?

    No – 2012

  42. Rob,

    My point – it is reality – not Orwellian fiction

  43. @Tom Welsh BBC Scotland too – lies and prevarication.
    .

    It’s more than headlines that have to change at BBC Scotland
    Wednesday, 14 March 2012 20:33 20 Comments By G.A.Ponsonby
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    So BBC Scotland has decided to correct the errors contained in an online article it published on Saturday.
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    Fully two days after one of the most blatant pieces of politically motivated articles ever published by the state broadcaster appeared as the number one story in Scotland, the corporation quietly removed the offending fiction and replaced it with fact.
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    The corporation’s decision to amend the headline and text on a Nicola Sturgeon interview piece is a small victory for those of us yearning for mature and objective reporting from the state broadcaster.
    .
    However, that it took fully two days before any action was taken on what by then was a piece that had most probably been read by tens of thousands of Scots, and perhaps even more English, is indicative of the malaise we have highlighted repeatedly on this site.
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    For those unfamiliar with this latest example of BBC Scotland’s very own unique take on what constitutes professional journalism, here is a brief explanation.
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    /..
    http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-opinion/4553-its-more-than-headlines-that-have-to-change-at-bbc-scotland

  44. [i] Rob,
    My point – it is reality – not Orwellian fiction [/i] ….. Courtenay Barnett 15 Mar, 2012 – 5:26 am
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    Actually, Courtenay Barnett, it is also virtual reality, and in certain IT Networking Circles, akin to Post Modern Ancient Round Tables, are they also responsible for the Seed Feeds of Novel Source Kernel for what are ESPecially Astute ProgramMING Projects, which whilst not maybe being anonymous and unknown, may most certainly be well enough known to those in the know and anonymous, and with a need and a selfless flair to know.
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    I apologise for the may and maybe caveats in the preceding paragraph, but would point out that they reflect the truth in such matters as are revealed there, and as are known to those busy and active/HyperRadioProActive in the Virtual Team Terrain Fields and Live Operational Virtual Environments which deliver continuity for the daily doses of subjective views and/or objective opinions which deliver a fiction and facts for Phormation of the Future.
    .
    After all, nothing just happens, does it, for everything is made to happen, is it not, by virtue of the building on what has gone before?
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    And it is only natural and fully to be always expected that anything and everything built upon a spinning tissue of lies and half-truths, is a fraud which will always explode and implode in on itself ………. and thus is a new world order reborn.

  45. I saw the first half an hour and you did give away something that is TOP SECRET. I can’t say what it is because it is TOP SECRET.

  46. http://govermentterrorism.blogspot.com/2012/03/nato-libya-war-on-africa.html

    Craig watch this video before the powers that be pull it..Journalist Lizzie Phelan tries to hold back her tears as she speaks of the war on AFRICA and NATO the mass murdering machine. Incredible woman.

  47. @Mary
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    Without supporting the BBC, this over-reaction would imply that the Scottish Nazis who make the distinction between the words ‘relied’ and ‘worked with’, are declaring that to ‘work with’ Nazis, would be an unreliable venture.

  48. http :-) youtu.be/d1GwdXE7Xp8

    See what I did there?
    See what he did there?
    I really wouldn’t click on that link.

  49. Dear Mr Murray,

    I would urge you to distribute your videos on other publishing platforms to bypass YouTube censorship. Here is a wiki list of alternatives to YouTube.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_hosting_services

    Amazon Cloud is a fantastic way to keep control over your own content but this can be quite tricky to set up as you would need to include your own video player. However if one can run a blog then one can easily learn how to publish video on a slightly more complicated platform and it is fun to learn new techniques.

    http://aws.amazon.com/

    Here is the free player;

    http://www.longtailvideo.com/

    Who Uses LongTail Products?
    Do-It-Yourself Publishers. From the lone blogger, all the way to the White House, web publishers around the world have been choosing the JW Player for years to design the video experiences on their sites. If you plan to host your own video content or use a CDN, like Amazon CloudFront, then the JW Player is for you. And our huge library of JW Player AddOns gives you hundreds of ways to enhance the player.

    Good luck Mr Murray and thank you for all your efforts.

  50. Whoops- *red face* If I used Youtube at all, I would know that youtube.be is the short link address. Kindly ignore the preceding and have a good guffaw.

  51. Oh, one of THOSE days…youtu.be, then

  52. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    15 Mar, 2012 - 10:29 am

    Komodo, nothing wrong with a bit of paranoia 😉 It’s totally natural and expected in our current ‘climate’, in fact I would go so far as to say that it’s quite a healthy, and totally logical, reaction to living in the present dystopia.

  53. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    15 Mar, 2012 - 10:45 am

    Sites to avoid if you’re a political dissenter are Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, LinkedIn and Google. Also ‘free proxies’ are often free because a government agency is paying for them. The main commenting services are also highly suspect – they’re akin to a virtual confession box in my opinion.
    .
    http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/collusion/
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    http://www.geek.com/articles/news/priv3-firefox-extension-stops-social-networks-tracking-you-2011106/

  54. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    15 Mar, 2012 - 10:58 am

    From the Mozilla site regarding Collusion “Building user awareness through our work with the Ford Foundation…”
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    You just can’t make this stuff up can you? From the creators of Sesame Street (I kid you not) and the funders of the University of Chile. They were responsible for implementing Friedman economic polices in Chile after the ‘Chicago Boys’ take down of Allende. What a strange world it is.

  55. Just watched the Amazing Disappearing Video. Will you be auditioning for the remake of Zelig? ;O)

  56. Long-form link here, in case I put anyone off. This one is guaranteed safe to use and kills 99% of household germs. Enjoy. I did.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1GwdXE7Xp8&feature=youtu.be

  57. Off Topic : Ireland’s debt.

    Guess he dont wanna answer the question.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCHu1kRT6hU&feature=player_embedded#!

  58. Weapons of mass destruction discovered at Olympic Park. Workmen flee.
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    Any more there deep under those foundations?
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    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4195414/Blitz-hits-Olympics.html :)
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    Suggest Barack and Cameron watch the basketball there. It will be an elevating experience for the blood brothers.
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    ‘A full-time bomb disposal expert was overseeing work after locals warned the area was previously used as a tip for unexploded Nazi ordnance.’

    Robinson and the Time Team must check it over. I heard too that Guido F and his pals left some unexploded ‘ordnance’ (nice euphemism – ordnance pulping you brain) down by the river. Now if that would explode, that would be a service to our microscopic ‘democracy’.

    WMD are held in Syria you know just like those held in Iran, Iraq, …… We were told this on Radio 4 Today by Mr Riedel of the Brookings Institute.
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    Warning over Syrian WMD capability
    A new warning has been given about the difficulties facing the international community in Syria about weapons of mass destruction.
    .
    Bruce Riedel, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington and a former CIA official, told the Today programme’s Justin Webb that Syria has been developing chemical weapons since the 1980s and has the “most sophisticated chemical and biological weapons arsenal in the Arab world” and “the means to deliver them”.
    .
    “If Syria implodes”, he said “many people will try and get their hands on these weapons” such as Iran, Hezbollah or Al Qaeda. He said that “until you have stabilised the country any outside force coming in is going to be a target.”
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    “Clearly what Assad government is doing is barbaric and horrible”, he continued, “but not easy to see out how the outside world can help transform the situation.”
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    Middle East editor Jeremy Bowen said that a year since the Syrian uprising began, outside powers will say they don’t see things we can do militarily that won’t make things worse.
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    He explained that people are focusing on the Kofi Annan mission who is trying to get political process going because the alternative would be a “continued spiral downwards into war”.
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    {http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9705000/9705865.stm}

    W

  59. @ amanfromMars

    “And it is only natural and fully to be always expected that anything and everything built upon a spinning tissue of lies and half-truths, is a fraud which will always explode and implode in on itself ………. and thus is a new world order reborn.”
    Thus – fiction spun – collapses as reality eventually impacts the false projections.

  60. watching the video, 1:00:28 in length, there is an edit at 0:42:56, jumping from the topic of ‘Blair and his comparison of Islamist terrorism with WW2’ to ‘that’s not fictitious money………” could be a bad edit after a break but obviously some speech is missing.

  61. OT:
    .
    Yes we Kony! – Rap News 12
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    “You mean the same court the US refuses,
    To submit to for it’s own war crimes and abuses,
    Isn’t that hypocrisy?
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    Robert honestly,
    the ICC only prosecutes dark peoples atrocities
    .
    Ok I hear theres been criticism of the videos accuracy,
    fallacies and neo-colonial fantasies
    .
    Don’t have such a Heart of Darkness Robert,
    Join the missionary industrial complex,
    Save poor Africa from burning,
    accept the white man’s burden!”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68GbzIkYdc8

  62. I’ve downloaded the video of Craig’s lecture from the link given by Anon, 14 Mar, 7:21 pm:
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUZTiAoaax4
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    It came through as a 550 megabyte .mp4 file. I have nowhere to host something that big, so I extracted the audio. That came to a 50 megabyte .mp3 file, which I’ve uploaded to:
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    http://www.killick1.plus.com/craig-murray-icd-lecture.mp3
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    If anyone has the other video I could try the same thing with that.

  63. It must be very frustrating, but the good thing is that you must have them worried Craig, for them to go to that much effort to try to stop people hearing what you have to say (or more likely trying to make it seem as if you are so far “out there” that the mainstream don’t listen/ don’t take it seriously). Don’t let them demotivate you. Lots of people are reading your blog posts and you can still write to the papers.

  64. still on youtube? great – will be watching it there – i’m sure lots of other people will too

  65. Audio of the interview (30 megabyte .mp3) at:
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    http://www.killick1.plus.com/craig-murray-icd-interview.mp3

  66. The original video was 1 hour 20 minutes long. The new one is 20 minutes shorter with an edit around the 43 minute mark

  67. Hey Clark,
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    Glad to see you posting again, I hope you’re doing better.

  68. I see that piece of crud Liam Fox has been ordered to apologise for spending public money on his boyfriend Miss Verity Adam.

  69. Mr. Murray, your concerns about the numbers of ‘viewers’ the mass media commands, compared to top blogging sights, such as this one, are ill founded.
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    Consider when people glance at their watches, due to some timetable or other; if someone were to ask them the time a few seconds later, they would probably have to look at their watch again to declare the time. This is because most of us are looking at what the time isn’t rather than what it is; i.e. we are ten minutes from the train departure, or the lecture starting, and so on.
    .
    So it is with the news voyeurism of the mass media; most of the millions of people, that form the statistics, are simply not paying conscious attention to what the news is, that is being broadcast at them, but what the news isn’t. Their unconscious mind will flag up only what concerns their personal biases, and they will recall only that, if anything.
    .
    Whereas those that visit a blogging sight, do so consciously and in a proactive way. Hence the true measure of news perceived will be in proportion to the number of comments, regardless of the size of voyeuristic traffic.

  70. Good to have you back, Clark.
    Just watched the interview on utube and lodged it on my FB page. If you leave a comment on u-tube it’ll help the ratings. Westminster Holdings should employ the team here as their publicity backup and dissemination team.

  71. OFF TOPIC BUT ………

    Former Solicitor General for Scotland Lord Fraser has said that if Scotland was left undefended as a result of acquiring independence, the enemies of England could use it as a base from which to launch air raids over the border, The Herald reports. If that were to happen, England would have no choice but to BOMB SCOTTISH Glasgow and Edinburgh airports in order to defend itself, the newspaper says.

  72. Scotland can acquire S-300 system from Syria or Russia dorect or get the Iranian equivelent !!!!

  73. Boindub wrote: “Scotland can acquire S-300 system from Syria or Russia dorect or get the Iranian equivelent !!!!”
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    And who’s going to lend you the money to buy them with? The freedom of independence on grounds of ‘hate they neighbour’, means you get to choose the route by which you starve to death.

  74. @ JimmyGiro

    “So it is with the news voyeurism of the mass media; most of the millions of people, that form the statistics, are simply not paying conscious attention to what the news is, that is being broadcast at them, but what the news isn’t. Their unconscious mind will flag up only what concerns their personal biases, and they will recall only that, if anything.”
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    Nope, it doesn’t work like that, They do subconsciously absorb all the propaganda and will recall it. Do not underestimate the power of Propaganda. Edward Bernays was the master of it.
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    The Elite use the same old propaganda tactics time and time again, and while that may seem retarded to anyone enlightened, they keep doing it precisely because it does work on the masses
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    They are using exactly the same propaganda tactics in the run up to the attack on Iran as they did in the run up to the attack on Iraq and Afghanistan, and while more people are aware this time the masses are not and it still works

  75. The D of C did NOT play hockey, She stood there and hit the ball with the stick and whacked it into the goalmouth. I can still do that and I could be her grandmother, well nearly.
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    It was just a photo op for the ghastly Olympics. Pathetic.
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    Duchess of Cambridge plays hockey at Olympic Park with Team GB
    Catherine plays hockey with Team GB players
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    The Duchess of Cambridge, who led her school’s hockey team, scored a goal while playing with Team GB’s players during a tour of the Olympic Park.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17384761

  76. Britain is a fascist state. Gove has sacked outright all the governors of a London primary school and wishes it to become an academy under the Harris brand. (Lord Harris of carpet fame) One of the angry parents said she thought she lived in a democracy.

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-17385311

  77. Smeggypants, Hi,
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    In reply to your posting of 15 Mar, 2012 – 6:20 pm, the paragraph which you can read below, and which is just a small part of a very interesting document entitled, … “The Internet and U. S. Communication Policy-Making in Historical and Critical Perspective” …. would suggest that things will not work as they used to.
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    “On the other hand, newly developed computer and digital communication technologies can undermine the ability to control communication in a traditionally hierarchal manner. The most dramatic development along these lines has been the Internet, which permits inexpensive, global, interactive, and mass computer communication, as well as access to a previously unimaginable range of information. The Internet has been alternately described as a “functioning anarchy” that is virtually impossible to control from a centralized command post (Lipson, 1995) and “a grass-roots, bottom-up system” (Flowers, 1995, p. 24). Kapor (1994) notes the historical significance of what is now termed cyberspace: “Instead of a small number of groups having privileged positions as speakers-broadcast networks and powerful newspapers-we are entering an era of communication of the many to the many. . .the nature of the technology itself has opened up a space of much greater democratic possibility.” The executive director of the Internet Society characterizes the Internet as “a profound turning point in the evolution of human communication-of much greater significance than the creation of the printing press” (Flowers, 1995, p. 26).” ….. http://jcmc.indiana.edu/vol1/issue4/mcchesney.html
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    And you can be sure that there is a lot more going on than you will ever know, for that is how things are done and/or are being done.

  78. “And who’s going to lend you the money to buy them with?”
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    I expect we’ll wake up one day to discover that we’ve had them all along, and that they can be readied for launch in 45 minutes, and have major English centres of population within their range, and we’ve refused all reasonable attempts at diplomacy. What fantasy! Such things never happen.

  79. The enemies of England could use Scotland as a staging post for attacks on the south ? What is this man smoking ? From Alaska through Greenland and Iceland to Spitzbergen,NATO has early warning systems in place.NATO jets patrol the skies and intercept daily.
    If Scotland leave the Union, their airspace will be retained by NATO, you can be sure. England don’t have to bomb anyone !! Not the Libyans, Afghans ,Syrians or Somali’s. Yet they do !!
    When will they come up with positive reasons for keeping the Union together instead of trying to scare the Scots into remaining under the protection of England ? Or , why don’t they consider a proper partnership between the 2 countries ? Mutual protection instead of threats ?

  80. Komodo – youtu.be/d1GwdXE7Xp8 is valid, legit and safe. That domain is owned by YouTube/Google themselves. the nameservers for the domain are at Google.com

    Youtube itself generates the shortened URL’s

    Now can anyone tell me what is missing in the 20 minutes said to have been edited out before re-uploading.

  81. Komodo, OK – I see you corrected yourself later.
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    Just need a transcript of the bit they edited out now.

  82. Hi Clark,
    good work mate, you have used a panoply of tools, very well to get to the audio file, good on you.
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    However the edit: cut, which leaves the money bit out of the clip is in need of further investigations, and awaiting another lucky find again.
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    The curious saga of appearance, disappearance, and reappearance of a truncated version only adds to the mysterious case of fight against censorship clip that got censored.

  83. deepgreenpuddock

    15 Mar, 2012 - 8:18 pm

    hi Jimmy giro

    “This is because most of us are looking at what the time isn’t rather than what it is; i.e. we are ten minutes from the train departure, or the lecture starting, and so on”.
    This was very funny as it reminded me of an incident that came burbling up from the deepest recesses of the brain from nearly 60 yrs ago .

    Seen by the teacher squinting through at the clock outside the door,anticipating the dinner break, (it was primary one) , she challenged me to look through the little round window, and tell her (and the class) the time.
    ‘Ten to’ I triumphantly shouted.
    The teacher was of course very pleased to announce to the class that I was wrong, as it was 25 to.

    It was ‘ten to’ the start of the dinner break, which was ‘quarter to’. So I was ‘right,’ but wrong.

    Of course the teacher knew what I meant and was delighted to make sure I was put in my place for my ‘clock watching’.
    Seems almost like a simile for the way we are treated in relation to information by government.

  84. The narrative on Syria is getting sillier by the minute. After the expulsions of the “activists” (armed thugs and marauding yobs)from Idlib (the bastion of the resistance no less), the shrill broadcast of the al Jazeera is almost comical, the Qatari and Saudi project has suddenly hit the rocks and this is reflected in the al Jazeera reportage that is getting more and more shrill and supercilious by the passing second. (so much for the al Jazeera integrity)
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    Furthermore, the wannabe little Emperors of US, Nato, et al too having found their fake war getting nowhere are still busy instructing their psyop merchants to carry on with their smear stories, the latest of which is about the release of the emails nicked from Assad private computers.
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    Apart from the glaring criminal conduct that is at the root of the email theft enterprise, the narrative then becomes a window into the mindset of the morons who have organised the emails affair.
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    We find that Assad cannot buy from Itunes because of the sanctions, and he has to resort to third-party methods of buying his tunes. FFS what is this about? Then there is the “left wing warmonger’s rag” aka Guardian waxing lyrical about Assad’s father in law giving advice to him in how to handle the media!!!!! That is as well as the Iranians advice, and Lebanese Hezbollah advice in: How to put down the uprising!!!!!!!!! (the orders of the psyop merchants were to cover all the bases probably)
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    These emails are in fact an effort in trying to rubbish the Assad success, who has been making fools out of the empire lite bunch of twits, who still try to keep up the pretence of public opinion counts in the West. If it did then they need not have jailed a teenager for what he wrote on face book, but he Johnny foreigner is not clever enough to see the political repression in the West, and the court of public opinion will matter to him.
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    This latter facet actually proves that the only ones taking any note of any of the constituents of the west are in fact the very devils that the Western public is being urged to hate. Talk about a paradox.

  85. @ Smeggypants
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    I would not disagree with your points regarding propaganda, but my point makes the distinction between the unconscious-subliminal, and the conscious-cognitive.
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    The nature of subliminal messages is that they effect our behaviour without conscious thought; if we are conscious of them, then they are simply messages.
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    @ AmanfromMars
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    What you report may have been true in 1995, but in 1996, Google was conceived in a PhD research project. From that point on, the internet had a black-hole to contend with; for most of the information to be found – or not found – goes through this hub. Who ever controls this hub, will control the ‘bias’ of most of the millions of searches each hour.
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    Try this experiment: type in a google search “fat ma”. You should notice, if you have predictive text, the choice ‘fat man’. Now try the same experiment with “fat wo”; you will have no predictive text, as it would have to be politically incorrect with ‘fat woman’. Although a trivial example, the fact that it can make any political decision, should raise eyebrows.

  86. Those were the days Deepgreenpuddock, luckily for us. These days, however, any wayward behaviour not to the liking of Ms, would earn you a trip to the Ritalin lady.

  87. Thanks for the mp3 version Clark and well done

  88. Obama Caught on Hot Mic Admitting Election Fraud.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQXeGtfqCOw&feature=related

    “The powers that be” – And the good old Sate Propaganda channel, the BBC always tell us that the President is the most powerful man on earth. – LMFAO!!!!

  89. Unidentified Object SUN! March 11, 2012
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    A planet sized object (Jupiter no less)evidently is refuelling from our Sun. Are aliens doing a fill and run on the free, and will this practice now spread to other free loaders hanging around in the space?
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    Does this mean we have been just declared a solar system in need of democratisation by some weird unelected interplanetary bunch of tossers?

  90. shite the bastard ate my comment.

  91. Fedup: Did it actually eat it, or did it appear slotted back further? Sorry if it ate it, your comments have been pretty interesting here. It’s always a wise precaution to copy the text you’ve written, and save it on a scratchpad just in case. The scratchpad proves useful too – you may want to quickly look up what you wrote some time back.

  92. The videos of both my speech and my interview at the Berlin Freedom of Expression Forum have been taken down. This is not an accident.
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    That’s very bizarre. I listened to about half of it and thought it was a fairly gentle admonishing of the BBC et al.
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    By the way, why did you have only two pieces of A4 that you handed around the room? It would surely have made sense to copy enough for everyone to read at their leisure, it is difficult to read some official letter like that while listening to a speech especially when they have to hurry through it to pass it on to the next person.
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    Just some advice for the next time.

  93. Obama Caught on Hot Mic Admitting Election Fraud.


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    Sounds completely fake.

  94. DownWithThisSortOfThing

    16 Mar, 2012 - 4:23 am

    There are stories appearing about how the US soldier who murdered 9 children and 7 adults in cold blood was ‘upset at a casualty in his unit’, he didn’t want to go to Afganistan in the first place and he’s apparently worried that his family may face revenge attacks.
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    Soon he will become the victim as the media educates the masses about battlefield trauma, PTSD and the like. This sets things up nicely for a lenient sentence, like the 12 week jail sentence handed out to the US soldier who massacred 24 people in Haditha.

  95. DownWithThisSortOfThing There is already a steady stream of stuff coming out on BBC News and Sky News this morning emanating from this man’s lawyer, Browne, who is doing a Max Clifford exercise eg the perpetrator felt he was not well, was three times in Iraq, had been injured twice, saw his friend’s leg blown off, etc, etc. He is obviously now under the protection of the evil EmPyre. No mention at all of the deaths and injuries inflicted on the Afghan people.
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    The man’s a victim for God’s sake!
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    US Afghan accused ‘not healthy’ – lawyer John Browne
    John Henry Browne says he was contacted by the accused soldier and his family
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    The US soldier accused of shooting dead 16 Afghans had been injured twice while serving in Iraq and was not confident about his health, a lawyer has said.
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    John Henry Browne said the soldier – who has not been named – had already completed three tours in Iraq and was not fit for the Afghan tour.
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    He also said the accused had witnessed his friend’s leg blown off the day before the killings.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17395066

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  97. More on Google, from a former executive; and its evolutionary change from “Don’t be evil”:
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    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jw_on_tech/archive/2012/03/13/why-i-left-google.aspx
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    The road to hell is paved…

  98. The Syria narrative is changing, as Assad is now reported to be gaining the upper hand. It is being suggested (by a Yank last night on R4, and by some latterly silent voices some months ago) that there are interests in the region who would not be too upset if Assad carried on, as the instability resulting from a successful insurrection and the likelihood of Islamists gaining influence might affect their security. Despite the interests’ nukes and Iron Dome system. Which raises the question of whether we are in fact singing from the same hymn sheet as those interests, and how soon we can get back in tune.

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