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Mac
Check out this mind blowing discussion between Candace Owens and Ian Carrol. She throws some light on what really went on, allegedly, between Trump and Musk (wow!) but the whole discussion is fascinating.
https://www.youtube.com/live/Rb6ukEHITjYmods@cm_org
Summary from Linnk.ai YouTube summarizer:
Candace Owens and Ian Carroll discuss current events, focusing on the planned war with Iran and the propaganda surrounding it. Candace apologizes for past comments and expresses discomfort with the current political climate, using Dave Portnoy’s behavior as an analogy for the state of America.
They analyze the anti-Semitism accusations and the media’s role in shaping public opinion, suggesting a planned infiltration to manipulate emotions and prevent questioning of Israel’s actions. They highlight instances where individuals like Miss Rachel and others were labeled anti-Semitic for expressing views contrary to the established narrative.
The conversation shifts to Trump’s stance on the impending war and a meme is shared about possible false flag operations. They bring up a poll by Charlie Kirk revealing that 90% of Americans do not want to be involved in a war with Iran and scrutinize the assassination attempt on Trump, linking it to Iran.
Tucker Carlson’s views on Trump’s presidency and potential involvement in the war are presented. The discussion covers the true objectives of the war, such as oil, trade routes, and destabilization of the region, rather than nuclear weapons.
Candace and Ian then discuss Elon Musk, alluding to an alleged physical altercation with Scott Bessant. She claims the issue stemmed from Trump dropping Jared Isaacman as NASA nominee, as Musk sought access to NASA’s data to beat Sam Altman in an AI race. Candace shares that his grandfather supported the technocracy movement. She further explains he has ties with Epstein and makes allegations about his drug use.
The conversation touches on a war against fertility and the impact of IVF, and is linked to those considered satanic. They close out discussing the danger of drones and robots and what it all means for humanity’s future.Candace Owens
- Profession: American political commentator and author.
- Born: April 29, 1989 in White Plains, New York, USA.
- Political Views: Primarily identified as conservative or far-right. She is known for her outspoken views on various social and political issues.
- Notable Work: Author of the book “Blackout: How Black America Can Make Its Second Escape from the Democrat Plantation.”
- Personal Life: Married since 2019 to George Farmer – son of Baron Michael Farmer, and a former member of Oxford Bullingdon Club. She has a significant following on social media, where she shares her views and engages with her audience.
Ian Carroll
- Profession: Independent researcher, entrepreneur, and host of “The Ian Carroll Show” on YouTube.
- Background: He has a background as a Quantity Surveyor with over 20 years of experience in the field. He has also authored works related to freelancing and new-build housing.
- Controversies: Ian Carroll has been associated with some controversial views, including conspiracy theories, which have sparked discussions and debates.
AG
re: Iran and women
I stumbled across an unfriendly exchange of Tweets about Iranian womens´ rights.
I paste some of it here. The complete original threads can be read on TWITTER.
The reactions in that thread are interesting and telling, since those who disagree won´t even try to meet somewhere midpoint.by susan abulhawa
https://nitter.poast.org/susanabulhawa/status/1936776562134708595#m“(…)
This post is for everyone trying to use the mantra of saving Muslim women, the tired bullshit the west has used to actually destroy the lives of Muslim women for decades. Here are some statistics specific to Iran.LITERACY AMONG WOMEN.
Prior to the Islamic Revolution in 1979, the literacy rate for women under the western-backed Shah was 42%. In less than a decade of the revolution, that number climbed to 98%STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics) GRADUATES.
In Iran, ~70% of STEM graduates are women—far exceeding U.S. levels, which stand at 53%)PROFESSIONAL DOCTORATE.
About 58% of students in Iranian professional doctorate programs are women. In contrast, that number in the U.S. is 56%.FEMICIDE (homicide of females).
In Iran, the rate of intentional murder of women is 0.59 per 100,000. In the US, that number nearly 4 times higher, at 2.1 per 100,000 women (with stark racial disparities: Black & Native American women: 4.3–4.8 per 100k vs White women: ~1.5 per 100kPARTICIPATION IN GOVERNMENT.
In Iran, women hold 27% of ministerial-level posts, ~1,121 female judges, and ~25% of managerial roles in government (these values are from the early 2000s, and are surely much higher now).
MATERNITY LEAVE & BENEFITS.
In Iran, Law on Family & Youth Support mandates 9 months PAID maternity leave for public & private sectors, plus an optional 4 months remote work during pregnancy, job security protections for extended unpaid leave, and 2 weeks paternity leave.In the US, the only federal guarantee is 12 weeks of UNPAID maternity leave.
Furthermore, the following benefits are available to Iranian women, but not American women.
1. Free maternity care and subsidized infertility treatments: Nationwide free maternal and delivery services, including for uninsured women; infertility treatments are heavily subsidized (~90%).
2. Labor protections: Pregnant women reassigned from hazardous jobs without pay loss; nursing breaks offered until child is 2; workplace childcare provisions required.
3. Family support policies under demographic law include: housing assistance, loans for married couples, job prioritization for parents, childcare subsidies, and retirement benefits for mothers with multiple children.
GENDER AFFIRMING TREATMENT.
Iran legalized gender-affirming surgery (SRS) in the 1980s! The government subsidizes surgeries and hormone therapy for trans individuals who are at least 18 years old and have completed an approval system that requires psychological counseling and hormone therapy for 1–3, and professional filtering panels that evaluate gender dysphoria vs homosexuality, including family interviews, DNA tests, and potential coercion.In the US, SRS is a for profit industry with no subsidies and no checks and balances to protect minors.
(…)”#1 counter response by cosmopolitanman
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Sure Susan for this dazzling parade of cherry-picked “facts”! Iran’s women rock a 98% literacy rate and 70% STEM dominance—sure, if you ignore the 1979 revolution’s forced veiling and the 2022 Mahsa Amini protests where 500+ were slaughtered for daring to ditch the hijab (Human Rights Activists, 2022). Femicide at 0.59 per 100,000? Cute, until you factor in censorship hiding the real toll (Iran International, 2024). And subsidized gender surgery? A shining beacon—unless you count the coerced DNA tests and death penalty for homosexuality (ILGA, 2019). Meanwhile, the U.S. gets dunked on for unpaid leave, as if Iran’s theocracy isn’t busy jailing dissenters by the thousands. Nice try, but this selective stats circus doesn’t hide the gender apartheid (UN, 2024).
(…)”#2 counter response by Michael Webb
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Replying to @susanabulhawa
Yep. Iran is a paradise for women. Oh wait ..Are women in iran free?
Legal and Social Rights
Education and Employment: The post highlights significant gains post-1979, with female literacy rising from ~42% to 92.7% (UNESCO, 2020) and 68% of STEM graduates being women (Iranian Ministry of Science, 2021). Women hold 27% of ministerial posts and 57-58% of professional doctorate slots (UN Women, 2023; Ministry of Health, 2023), suggesting access to education and some professional opportunities. Maternity leave (9 months paid) and labor protections (e.g., nursing breaks, job reassignment) exceed many Western standards (Iranian Labor Code, 2022).
Counterpoint: Despite these advances, legal frameworks impose restrictions. The Iranian Civil Code grants husbands veto power over a wife’s employment if it conflicts with family interest or dignity (World Bank, 2003). The UN Special Rapporteur (2021) notes entrenched gender discrimination, with girls as young as 13 able to marry (16,000 aged 10-14 married in 2021, per government data), violating the Convention on the Rights of the Child, which Iran has not fully ratified.
Personal Autonomy and Expression
Dress Codes and Protests: Mandatory veiling laws, enforced since 1979, restrict women’s bodily autonomy. The 2022 Mahsa Amini protests, sparked by her death in morality police custody for an alleged hijab violation, saw women burning headscarves and chanting “Women, Life, Freedom,” met with lethal force (over 500 killed, 19,000 arrested, per Human Rights Activists, 2022). This suggests significant curtailment of personal expression, with ongoing crackdowns reported in 2024 (Iran International).Counterpoint: The post’s omission of these events indicates a selective narrative. The UN (2024) describes a “gender apartheid” system, where non-compliance with dress codes can lead to imprisonment (hundreds of women detained, per Amnesty International, 2023).
Safety and ViolenceFemicide and Harassment: The post cites a femicide rate of 0.59 per 100,000 in Iran versus 2.1 in the U.S. (UNODC, 2023), suggesting relative safety. However, underreporting due to censorship (Mina Khani, Iran International, 2024) and domestic violence prevalence (UN Rapporteur, 2021) cast doubt on this figure’s completeness.
Counterpoint: The web results highlight high sexual violence rates elsewhere (e.g., 33% of Israeli female soldiers harassed in 2021, Haaretz, 2022), but Iran’s own issues—e.g., honor killings and impunity for abusers—are documented by Human Rights Watch (2023).
Gender-Affirming Care and Other Policies
Positive Aspect: Iran’s legalization of gender-affirming surgery in 1987, with subsidies, offers a form of freedom for transgender individuals (Ministry of Health, 2020). However, this comes with coercive elements (e.g., family consent, DNA tests to rule out homosexuality, per ILGA, 2019), and homosexuality remains illegal, punishable by death (Iranian Penal Code).Counterpoint: This policy reflects state control rather than liberation, contrasting with the U.S.’s unregulated but individual-choice-driven approach.
Broader Human Rights Context
Executions and Imprisonment: The post ignores that 900+ executions occurred in 2024, 75% of the global total, including dissidents and women for hijab non-compliance (Najat’s reply, 2025). Political prisoners, including dual nationals, face due-process violations (U.S. State Dept, 2022).
Cultural Norms: Traditional patriarchal structures persist, reinforced by theocratic governance, limiting women’s decision-making power in marriage, divorce, and custody (UN OHCHR, 2021).
Comparative Perspective
Are Women in Iran Free?: No, not in a comprehensive sense. While they have achieved notable educational and professional advancements, and some social benefits, these are overshadowed by legal discrimination, enforced dress codes, restricted autonomy, and state violence against dissent. The post’s data is accurate on specific metrics but presents an incomplete picture by omitting systemic oppression, as documented by UN experts, human rights groups, and recent protests.Nuance: Freedom varies by class, region, and compliance with state norms. Urban, educated women may experience more agency than rural or dissenting ones, but all face theocratic constraints absent in many democracies.
(…)”For more on his post https://nitter.poast.org/RobertWeb56439/status/1936802592631521431#m
(his last phrase in one comment is not surprising:
“Under the current leadership it’s a hellhole and only regime change offers a glimpse of a possible better future.”)
Clark
“Michael Webb” writes a lot like a large language model or LLM, a branch of AI.
I note various citations of Iran International, which Craig wrote about in this post:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2025/05/mi5s-fake-terror-plots/
– In a crowded field, Iran International is probably the world’s dodgiest media channel. A Saudi Arabian-funded niche Farsi language operation, it caters to those Iranians who support Israel, support the restoration of a Shah and support Saudi Arabia.
– As I said, it is very niche.
– Yet this tiny media operation was set up with a Saudi investment of a quarter of a billion dollars. Yes, you did read that properly, 250 million dollars. Just where all that money really went is an interesting question. There have been persistent rumours of money laundering and of ties to Eastern-European-organised crime.
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