Rennard Conundrum

by craig on February 24, 2013 6:30 pm in Uncategorized

I have known of allegations of sexual pestering against Chris Rennard for at least five years, and I find it impossible to believe Nick Clegg has not known for longer.

But I am baffled as to what the current fuss is about. The allegations of which I know are not of criminal offences, but the sort of inappropriate workplace conduct which should lose you your job. And it was always my understanding that was why Rennard resigned as Lib Dem Chief Executive four years ago. Unless there are new allegations which are actually criminal (and I have still not heard that alleged) what is actually supposed to happen now?

Why the allegations about Rennard were not published at the time, I don’t know. All the senior political journalists knew of them. There are some things, like Prince Phillip’s love life or Jack Straw’s visits to a South London address, which are well known but our corporate media somehow decides to hold back on. One group of people who do know every detail of such matters are the Metropolitan Police’s close protection officers, one of whom allegedly committed suicide recently.

Several things are happening with the Rennard “news”. Clegg has lied. The Tory media have dug up very old, stale news especially for the Eastleigh by-election. The current hysteria about all sex-related allegations (lead news story – Rennard; next item some dodgy Archbishop; next item BBC/Savile) propels this bit of old nonsense effortlessly to the top of news programmes. Meanwhile the bankers are still getting all our money courtesy of the state, Israel is devastating Palestine, the Bahraini despots oppress their people, Saudi and the US stoke terrible war in Syria. But evidently none of that is nearly as important as Rennard’s alleged rather pathetic attempts to get laid.

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  1. I understand that Chris Rennard was given specific responsibility for new women candidates at the end of last year and that one of the women, who had refused to speak to the press in the past on the grounds that Rennard no longer had responsibility for candidates not the opportunity to pester women, was back in a position to do so. See Cathy Newman’s account of how the film was made at http://www.channel4.com/news/lord-rennard-questions-pile-up-for-clegg The woman who went to Cathy Newman is being trolled rather nastily on Twitter by Rennard’s supporters and is not, she says, being helped by made-up quotations attributed to her in the press. She stands by what she said on the C4 programme and that her concern is that women should be able to work and enter politics without this kind of treatment. She insists the timing of the C4 piece is coincidental but obviously the newspapers’ response to it is connected with the current concerns in the press and with the by-election. Obviously other subjects matter but women should be able to enter politics without the kind of repeated and rather disgusting sexual harassment alleged.

  2. Yeah – media management? Why, whoever heard of such a thing?

    Quick, look! – paralympic runner kills girlfriend! Look! Look!

  3. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    24 Feb, 2013 - 7:04 pm

    Craig : you’ll probably think that I’m impossibly naive – or just easily misled – but nevertheless: is it not just possible that the media are occaionally full of what are really non-stories like Rennard not as part of some dastardly plot to divert our attention away from more important matters but rather because such non-stories are in reality likely to be closer to our own everyday experiences (or wishes) and are therefore more likely to arouse our interest and so sell the paper? Most people can probably relate more easily to fancying a work colleague than to Israeli strikes on Gaza (relate in the sense that the former will probably aappear more “real” than the latter).
    Just a thought.

    PS – you know that this post of yours will have disappointed more than one of the Eminences because, apart from the mention of the Israel/Palestine war, there is no Zionist angle to foam about?

  4. Any time you see any kind of news being propagated by the gaggle of stenographers posing as the “news media”, ask yourself three questions:
    1- Why am I being told this?
    2- Why am I being told this?
    3- Why am I being told this?

    As it has been rightly highlighted, the news of uprising in Qatif in KSA, the images of a Bahrain Government sponsored militia driving his four wheel drive into a crowd of protesters, or the bullet wounds of the children shot dead by the same militia, ad nauseam are absent from the same “media”. This is in line with the same principles as Orwell highlighted in his prophecies published as 1984.

    The fact is the shameless bastards owning the same “media” are far too busy pushing the common narrative set by the various “think tanks” (read as: out sourced governance paradigms) , that they have only but one option: paste sex all over the print media and air ways. After all they sell cars with sex, sell toothpaste with sex, why not hoodwink the plebeians with sex too?

  5. Thank you Kathz.

    I appreciate that the horsemeat stories and this are diversions from what the media should be addressing but I cannot agree with the male view of sex abuse we have been given. Ask any woman or child what it’s like when it has not been sought. I think sex abuse is one of the worst crimes on the level of rape and murder. Frances Andrade committed suicide following the trial of the Brewers. She had lived with the memories of the abuse committed on her by the couple when a child. What revolting people.

    Yes Clegg has lied. He is a moral pygmy like most of the rest of the males who polish the green benches with their posteriors.

    And yes there is actually an Israel connection as I have already said on the previous threads. Rennard went to Israel courtesy of the LD Friends of Israel. That fact is not hidden. It is on his Register of Interests plain to see.
    http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/christopher-rennard/26623

    Clegg also thinks it is a wonderful country and so-ooh democratic.

    ‘He began by thanking the Liberal Democrat Friends of Israel for all the work it had done to promote the organisation within the party; in doing so he acknowledged that the party and LDFI did not always see eye to eye. He described himself and “many, many” Lib Dem members as “real admirers of the democratic traditions and liberal ethos of life within Israel’ and went on to say that this was a period of “immense delicacy” as talks between the Israeli government and the Palestinian Authority take place. He was “acutely aware” that all “we” can do is to create the conditions helpful to negotiations. The only time Mr Clegg referred directly to Palestine was when he noted how much depended on the talks: “So much hinges on the talks, not only the security and safety of the Israeli people which has been under constant threat… but the prosperity and safety and stability and future of the Palestinian communities.” The instability acts as a rallying cause for extremism around the world, he added. It is significant that the LibDem leader did not attend the Liberal Democrat Friends of Palestine fringe meeting despite being invited to do so. It is also significant that he didn’t mention the clear and present aggression against Palestinians by Israel’s ongoing illegal military occupation of Palestinian territory.’
    http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/europe/1537-lib-dem-leader-clegg-attends-friends-of-israel-fringe-meeting-but-ignores-friends-of-palestine

    Rennard was shown tossing pancakes on ITV earlier. Yes he is a tosser.

    All the news channels have been primed to announce that Clegg will be making a statement later and some even indicating what he will be saying. YCNMIU.

  6. Yet more trivia ,sexual this time,or celebrity murder to hold our attention while we fund Al Ciada in Syria and the French invade Mali.Forget the real news.I must say the fuss Ch4 has made about the Rennard case is ludicrous, yes of course the women involved should have been spared the embarrasment of Rennard’s passes if he made them but would they have made a complaint if he had been a Cary Grant or someone they had actually fancied?Instead they very vocally said no, so what harm was done? One rather unprepossessing man makes a pass and gets rejected,why is this considered NEWS????Why isn’t Ch4 telling the real news on any number of really important issues?Passes get made and accepted or rejected daily and a large number happen within the workplace.”Get a life” seems the only response to this trivia.

  7. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    24 Feb, 2013 - 7:34 pm

    OMG, I was overly optimistic. The Saintly Mary has of course managed to find a link to Israel – Rennard went to Israel! Cast the man into the outer darkness immediately!

    Re Michael Culver “Passes get made and accepted or rejected daily and a large number happen within the workplace”. Exactly. And that is why such stories, when they concern people in the public eye, make the headlines: it is the story of many a man in the street.

    But not necessarily a plot.

  8. Can anyone tell us more about the allegations wrt the Prince Consort and the allegations wrt the ex-Foreign Secretary?

  9. Can anyone tell us more about the allegations wrt the Prince Consort and the allegations wrt the ex-Foreign Secretary?

    I second that request. This may all be common knowledge in the UK, but those of us overseas don’t know.

  10. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    24 Feb, 2013 - 8:43 pm

    re Rumours – I “third” that request. Never mind about Pr. Phil, though, it’s J.S. I’m curious about.

    Perhaps “Fred” could help with one of his furtive little innuendos?

  11. Dick the Prick

    24 Feb, 2013 - 9:04 pm

    That they’re being termed as ‘serious sexual allegations’ kinda diminishes serious sexual allegations. The hand down the back of the dress one is defo probably a sacking offence but trying it on in a boozer, late at night when…oh noes…he touched her knee 3 times is fucking bullshit.

    And a 4th request for Prince Phil and Jack Torture info.

  12. is it not just possible that the media are occaionally full of what are really non-stories like Rennard not as part of some dastardly plot to divert our attention away from more important matters but rather because such non-stories are in reality likely to be closer to our own everyday experiences (or wishes) and are therefore more likely to arouse our interest and so sell the paper?

    False dichotomy, unpleasant idiot. The one does not preclude the other. No plot needed, just a corporate media. Read Chomsky, if you possess the wit.

  13. There cant be anything squishy about Prince Philips love life because the first load of search hits are all articles declaring how inspiringly beautiful it is.

    There are extra news stories, about sex crimes and scandals, but nothing on the hard abuse networks we heard about, in Jersey and… before the oddly picked out and then retracted allegations on mcAlphine farted across the tweetsphere and people were scared to have linked them, as lawyers threats where broadcast and even payed by the bbc with our tv fees. aye.

    The most self intrested news to the masses should shurely be the perpetual failure and massive theft of the financial industry sucking the state dry with the state willingly complying. But that is a long muffled issue. The ever rising food and fuel prices, combine with super cheap gadgets. Even if growth is possible, what strange plant results?

    A carousel of celeb and politico scandals and crimes is wheeled out in faux sacrifice to the worse things hidden behind and besides them.

    The troll said “see this doesnt even contain any mention of that thing you expect to be mentioned” and also added the supposed things name to be beyond doubt — absurd in clear type. As absurd as “the news”

    Dont forget to smile and dance and sing…

  14. resident dissident

    24 Feb, 2013 - 9:59 pm

    Craig

    You forget that it is usually the cover up rather than the initial sin that brings down most politicians.

  15. “OMG, I was overtly optimistic. The Saintly Mary has of course managed to find a link to Israel – Rennard went to Israel! Cast the man into the outer darkness immediately! “(Habbabkuk 7.34pm).

    Lord Rennard : Register of interests.

    Visit to Israel 6th – 11th June, 2012. Costs of visit (except for costs of flight) met by Liberal Democrats Friends of Israel; cost of flights met by the Government of Israel.

    So not a visit courtesy of the Israeli taxpayer to enjoy the Tel Aviv beaches then?

    Thanks Mary

  16. The emergence of this material, at this propitious moment, is not the best example I’ve seen of randomness at work.

  17. A 5th request for Prince Phil and Jack Torture info.

    Sounds more interesting than that pathetic Rennard loser.

    By the way, did anyone else notice that
    DSK agreed to pay Nafissatou Diallo $6 million in settlement of the civil lawsuit she brought against him?

    Another big man whose sense of entitlement got the better of him. In the account I read it said he’d have to get half the money from his wife (who has since left him.) The other half as a bank loan.

    “The reports come as Mr Strauss-Kahn awaits a French court’s decision on whether he is to face further investigation into pimping charges arising from allegations that he and associates arranged sex parties with prostitutes in the northern city of Lille. His lawyers have filed a request for the charges to be dismissed.”
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2012/1201/1224327340975.html
    December 1, 2012

  18. This from ‘Sunday Sleeze’ May 2011

    ‘Congratulations are surely in order now Lord Rennard has a new job as an international fundraising consultant. His experience facilitating donations from international business elites, such as for example convicted fraudster Michael Brown, is no doubt the kind of sterling experience that secured this sinecure. Although he forgets to mention that most of the money raised for the 2010 general election was during the year after he was sacked:

    “He was the Chief Executive of the Liberal Democrats from 2003 to 2009 during which time he was in charge of election campaigns, organisation and fundraising and personally headed the high net worth donor fundraising programme. Under his direction over six million pounds was raised for the 2010 general election campaign”

    Taking personal responsibility for the money raised by colleague Lord Clement Jones, the Party Treasurer, and his team has further endeared him to LibDem colleagues. It doesn’t look as though he will have many junior staff to worry about, the company appears to have only one female trainee for 23 consultants and associates. She might then find herself pulled in too many other directions to service the needs of Lord Rennard.’

    What goes around…?

  19. Good on yer Mary, keep going girl!

    once again habbabuk, you are an utter embarrassment, and your trolling is so petty and relentless that someone must be paying you for such persistence.

    And can i add my name to request more info about all this business re Jack Strawture?

    Keep up the good work Craig

  20. Politics is a nasty profession. I know absolutely nothing about Brit politics but it does seem that there must be some kind of play going on behind the scenes. Here in the US Petraeus got dumped as head of CIA for some really minor foolishness. He shouldn’t have been there in the first place and there were a number of good reasons for him to be purged. Alas, none of those came into play. But I didn’t complain when he fell even if for the wrong reasons. That is the way the game is played.

    BTW, my personal conjecture on the Pertraeus downfall is that politically Obama felt he no choice but to invite him inside his tent (so he could piss outside, not from the outside inside) but resented him deeply for forcing him into the Afghan surge. Obama simply waited for an opportunity to get rid of him while in a weakened position to not cause him further trouble.

  21. O/T! I see that Mrs Obomber (the talk show wannabe) made the announcement direct from the White House that the joint CIA/Hollywood production Argo won the Best Film oscar.

  22. The LDs spokespersons so far are an unlovely and unimpressive lot, eg Simon Hughes. Totally irrelevant too except that they have enabled the cruel and destructive Tory legislation to get through ‘Parliament’. They will go down in history as the worst stooges ever to have been elected.

  23. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    25 Feb, 2013 - 8:09 am

    @ Mary (07h47) : why the inverted commas around the word Parliament ?

  24. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    25 Feb, 2013 - 8:17 am

    @ Uccello (02h50) :

    “you are an utter embarassment”

    Why so? Because I remarked that for the Saintly Mary, all roads lead not to Rome but to Tel Aviv/Jersusalem? Or because of my more substantive post earlier on?

    “your trolling”

    I should prefer the slightly longer expression “your refusal to bow automatically to the prevailing orthodoxy as propagated by the Eminences”.

    “somebody must be paying you”

    Not at all, it’s a labour of love.

    “for such persistence”

    Oh, I thought that I’ve posted rather little over the last 10 threads or so, compared to many others.

    BTW – I’m sure you’re aware that “Uccello” is Italian (vulgar) slang for “dick”?

    If not, then what a happy coincidence!

  25. English Knight

    25 Feb, 2013 - 8:18 am

    Big thank you to Craig, for having the wisdom and tolerance to allow us to witness “dershowitzery” (aka false dichotomy,etc)in house, instead of, at Huffpo, courtesy of the “yelling yorkshire yarmulker” ! I am already missing the entertainment provided by the “false dichotomy” of the now banished happy kemper !! But there is always a revisit to Madoffs’ wife YouTube plea in court that “she was having to pay for his security out of her own funds”, to make up for that loss of entertainment.

  26. This contains one of the few mentions of the National Health Action party, founded by ex Independent MP Dr Richard Taylor and Dr Clive Peedell. Their Dr Iain MacLellan is a candidate at Eastleigh. Yes I know you hadn’t heard that before! There are actually 14 candidates but you only hear of four.

    ‘But Dr Clive Peedell, who set up the National Health Action Party to protect the NHS said: “We and many others have warned from the beginning that the Tory agenda behind Lansley’s Bill was privatisation, and transforming the NHS from our greatest public service into a competitive market.

    “The Tories have clearly lied even to their coalition partners to get their Bill through and are now determined to sneak through the finishing touches that would kill off our NHS. They must be stopped.’

    Tories’ hidden privatisation plan revealed
    25 Feb 2013

    The massive step towards full privatisation of the NHS is being made in regulations sneaked out earlier this month exposed by the Daily Mirror
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-tories-hidden-privatisation-plan-1729681

    Here is a run down of how the plan to privatise the NHS started and the process to date. It really began in the time of Thatcher, who got Eindhoven of the Rand Corporation over from the US to lay out the framework. The plan came to fruition with Thatcher’s other acolyte, Cameron, putting the final nails in the NHS coffin.

    In this lecture, based on the book The Plot Against the NHS, co-author Colin Leys attempts to set the record straight on plans for a new healthcare market. He argues that the healthcare reforms proposed by the Coalition are not as radical as they seem, but are part of a plot to dismantle the NHS born under Blair
    http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/colin-leys/plot-against-nhs

  27. How Quickly They Forget
    Sabbath of Remembrance
    by Steve Amsel / February 24th, 2013

    Yesterday, synagogues throughout the world commemorated Shabbat Zachor (Sabbath of Remembrance). On that day the first known enemy of the Hebrews, Amalek, is remembered. On that day as well the combined Hate Lists of the ADL and the Wiesenthal Centre are dug out to confirm that Amalek still lives today.

    Yes, Amalek still lives. There is no doubt in my mind about that, BUT NOT ON THOSE LISTS. Amalek lives right here in Israel. He is remembered every day of the year by Palestinians, but especially today, the 19th anniversary of the massacre in Hebron by a crazed American zionist.

    He is remembered every day that a Palestinian child is lowered into the grave, yet another victim of Israeli terrorism.

    He is remembered when a family in Gaza visits the graves of loved ones killed by Israeli soldiers.

    How quickly zionism forgets the war crimes committed daily against the Palestinians. How quickly the Western World forgets them as well, mostly due to media blackouts in the zionist controlled press in those countries.

    The fate of those who resist the above atrocities is also remembered …

    Yes, we remember those crimes every day of the year. And yes, we will never forget them or forgive those that committed them.

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/02/how-quckly-they-forget/

    Photos and links within, one of which is:

    http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2012/02/25/18-years-since-the-hebron-massacre/
    ‘The dawn of Friday 15 Ramadan 1414 a.h. / 25 February 1994 marked the first of three massacres perpetrated by Israeli settlers accompanied by the Israeli Army. There were more than 30 martyrs and 270 injured. The main massacre took place while the victims were performing al- Fajr (Dawn) Prayer at Al Ibrahimi mosque.’

  28. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    25 Feb, 2013 - 9:03 am

    English Knight, I think you wouldn’t recognise a false dichotomy if it turned round and slapped you across the face.
    BTW are you out on license?

  29. It’s all very well some ladies thinking they’ve notched one up for feminism when stories such as these emerge.

    But that’s rarely what’s playing out.

    The superficiality of their ambition, really is quite intriguing.

  30. Is it just me or does this whole thing stink of Simon Hughes?

  31. I’m with November on this one. Its utterly futile, self generated election prating which only shows the real extend of the so called coalition trying to govern; derived by speed dating, they now shown themselves up as just another back stabbers club, boys playing their political games in the media, whilst the great unwashed here is miming their words.

    What this does, is, shit on people’s intelligence, its a piss take and general diversion from the real news which is the state of inflation, the failed austerity policies and Osborne’s next eyewash budget in two weeks time. News media management stumbling from one hole to the next.

    I urge everyone to get ready to stand up for whatever you believe there to be left of public local life, this May, if you don’t, then please address your woe’s and disaffections to some agony aunt in the Sun, it will get more inconsequential readership there than on this blog.

  32. ‘Stand up for what you believe in, even if you are standing alone.’
    Sophie Scholl, executed by Nazis, 22 Feb 1943.
    pic.twitter.com/J6XisBIKbl

  33. Sophie Scholl was attempting to awaken resistance to the Nazi regime and its crimes.

    She wasn’t actively assisting them in distracting from that, by playing along with their musical chairs.

  34. @ ‘One group of people who do know every detail of such matters are the Metropolitan Police’s close protection officers, one of whom allegedly committed suicide recently’

    BBC report just now. Note the last sentence. ‘Move along. Nothing to see here’.

    25 February 2013 Last updated at 10:58
    Police protection officer found shot in Camden named as Colin Smelt

    Related Stories
    Police officer died from gun wound
    Police protection officer found dead

    A Metropolitan Police protection officer found shot dead at a property in north London has been named as Colin Smelt, an inquest into his death heard.

    PC Smelt, 43, was found with a bullet wound at his home at King’s Terrace in Camden on 19 February.

    St Pancras Coroner’s Court heard that officers forced their way into the property after the officer failed to turn up for work.

    The PC died from a gunshot wound to the chest, a post-mortem examination found.

    Police are investigating whether a police weapon was used in the incident.

    The death is not being treated as suspicious.

  35. Justin Welby AoC has just been admitted to the Privy Council. What is it for? How many dozens on this list and how and why are they selected?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_members_of_the_British_Privy_Council

    The oath.

    It was formerly regarded by the Privy Council as criminal, and possibly treasonous, to disclose the oath administered to Privy Counsellors as they take office. WTF!! However, the oath was officially made public in a written parliamentary answer in 1998, as follows:

    You do swear by Almighty God to be a true and faithful Servant unto the Queen’s Majesty, as one of Her Majesty’s Privy Council. You will not know or understand of any manner of thing to be attempted, done, or spoken against Her Majesty’s Person, Honour, Crown, or Dignity Royal, but you will lett and withstand the same to the uttermost of your Power, and either cause it to be revealed to Her Majesty Herself, or to such of Her Privy Council as shall advertise Her Majesty of the same. You will, in all things to be moved, treated, and debated in Council, faithfully and truly declare your Mind and Opinion, according to your Heart and Conscience; and will keep secret all Matters committed and revealed unto you, or that shall be treated of secretly in Council. And if any of the said Treaties or Counsels shall touch any of the Counsellors, you will not reveal it unto him, but will keep the same until such time as, by the Consent of Her Majesty, or of the Council, Publication shall be made thereof. You will to your uttermost bear Faith and Allegiance unto the Queen’s Majesty; and will assist and defend all Jurisdictions, Pre-eminences, and Authorities, granted to Her Majesty, and annexed to the Crown by Acts of Parliament, or otherwise, against all Foreign Princes, Persons, Prelates, States, or Potentates. And generally in all things you will do as a faithful and true Servant ought to do to Her Majesty. So help you God.

  36. Another take on the hypocrisy of the Extreme-Left and Syria;

    http://standforpeace.org.uk/killing-jews-is-simple/#comment-201

  37. Note the autopsy results. Terrible.

    Palestinian detainee Arafat Jaradat’s funeral held

    The funeral of a Palestinian whose death in Israeli custody on Saturday fuelled riots has been held in a village in the West Bank.

    [..]
    Mr Jaradat, from Saeer, near Hebron, was arrested last week for throwing a rock which injured an Israeli citizen, Israel’s internal security agency Shin Bet said.

    The father-of-two died six days later at Megiddo prison, from what the Israel Prison Service (IPS) said appeared to be a heart attack.

    Palestinian officials, however, said an autopsy, carried out by Israeli physicians showed he had suffered two broken ribs and had bruising.

    “[Arafat Jaradat] faced harsh torture, leading to his immediate, direct death. Israel is fully responsible for his killing,” Palestinian minister of prisoner affairs Issa Karake said.
    [..]

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21572070

  38. February 16, 2013

    Arch-Zionist gets top BBC strategy job

    The incoming director-general of the BBC, Tony Hall, has put a notorious Zionist apologist, James Purnell, in charge of strategy at the corporation.
    [..]
    Continuing BBC bias

    The BBC’s history of bias towards Israel is well documented, and the reasons for this bias have long been the subject of serious academic studies, the best known of which is Greg Philo’s and Mike Berry’s More Bad News from Israel. In fact, an independent report commissioned by the BBC’s own governing body concluded in 2006 that BBC coverage of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict “does not consistently constitute a full and fair account of the conflict but rather, in important respects, presents an incomplete and in that sense misleading picture”.

    The appointment of arch-Zionist James Purnell to the BBC’s top policy and strategy job will make sure that it stays that way.

    http://www.redressonline.com/2013/02/arch-zionist-gets-top-bbc-strategy-job/

  39. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    25 Feb, 2013 - 4:30 pm

    @ Mary at 11h19 today – the death of the Metropolitan Police protection officer:

    Mary asks us to “note” the last sentence, which reads “The death is not being treated as suspicious”.

    Mary, is there any reason for us to treat this death as suspicious? Can you supply us with any information or details which could lead us to believe that this apparent suicide was actually something else?

    BTW – if you do, I feel you should also share your info with the investigating authorities as quickly as possible.

    *********

    La vuta è bella, life is good!

  40. Michael Stephenson

    25 Feb, 2013 - 4:40 pm

    @Michael Culver (Presuming you’re the actor)- I just want to say, despite being broadcast a decade before I was born I still regularly watch and really enjoy Secret Army, and your portrayal of Major Brandt was excellent.

    It’s a timeless series that really deserves to be rebroadcast much more frequently than it is.

  41. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    25 Feb, 2013 - 5:47 pm

    @ Mary on James Purnell, “arch-Zionist” :

    I’m curious to know what are the characteristics which distinguish an arch-Zionist from a mere Zionist.

    Perhaps Mary, who is obviously a bit of an expert on Zion, could share her insight(s) with us?

    *********

    La vita è bella, life is good! (no fan of James Purnell, horrible man)

  42. Grammar is the difference between knowing your shit, Habbakuk, and knowing you’re shit.

    Was ist das mit Deiner Fixierung, kannst du keine Frau finden? Ist das Nachdenken ein bischen schwerer im Alter? Oder kannst Du nicht mehr so richtig?

    The Triumph of will kissing the maker of Gatekeeper

  43. Habbakuk: What do you get paid per hour for all this nonsense that you get up to ?
    Can’t you find a real job ? Stacking shelves too good for you too ? You seem to be the one with the Zion fixation.

  44. Anyone got any Deet they could loan me? There’s one of those annoying buzzing insects.

  45. Michael Stephenson

    25 Feb, 2013 - 6:39 pm

    Here’s a very candid interview with Normal Finkelstein recorded just a few days ago, it’s quite upsetting to see how the bastards have beaten him down fairly effectively these last few years.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jquFBluif6M

  46. Clegg has fouled up again.

    Baroness Parminter, whistleblowers’ listening ear extraordinare, only appointed last week, now removed and replaced with Public Concern at Work.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/liberaldemocrats/9893252/Lord-Rennard-Lib-Dems-bring-in-private-firm-to-run-whistle-blowing-system-after-criticism-from-campaigners.html

    Neil Sherlock her husband. Also a Clegg donor.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nick-clegg/8919507/Donor-who-paid-straight-into-Nick-Cleggs-account-becomes-his-adviser.html

  47. Yes Mary,

    Please do share with us, I too am interested in the difference between an arch and bog standard Zionist?

  48. How many police are engaged in carrying out investigations of one sort or another at the moment?

    25 February 2013 Last updated at 19:16

    Lord Rennard case: Met to look at claims against ex-Lib Dem chief executive

    Scotland Yard says it is looking at “whether or not criminal activity has taken place” after claims of sexual impropriety by former Liberal Democrat chief executive Lord Rennard.

    In a statement on its website, the Met said its Specialist Investigations Command had been “approached by officials in the Liberal Democrat Party following recent media reporting”.

    A number of women have accused the peer of sexually inappropriate behaviour.

    Lord Rennard denies the allegations.

  49. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    25 Feb, 2013 - 7:49 pm

    Oh, Nevermind (should that perhaps be Never in right mind? Just asking…), isn’t it rather elitist of you to write your insults in a foreign language which might not be understood by all the other Eminences?

    Surely you would not wish to deprive readers of an insight into the profundity of your thought and an opportunity to savour fully the elegance of your phrasing?

    And a resounding Goetz v. B. to you too, Walter.

  50. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    25 Feb, 2013 - 8:05 pm

    @ DoNNyDarkO :

    In reply to your 3 questions :

    1/. £12.99 an hour (paid in new shekels), with a £5 bonus every time I get Fred to write “fuck” or a variant thereon

    2/. I did try once, but this is much more interesting and I meet such amusing and Eminent people here

    3/. No, not at all. Honest labour is noble and you should try it some time.

  51. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    25 Feb, 2013 - 8:11 pm

    “A number of commenters have accused Saint Mary of inappropriate blog behaviour”

    Amoung the charges are continually interrupting threads to go off-topic; making sly allusions; intolerant reactions; making off-colour and hurtful attempts at “humour”.

    Quite a few commenters are currently engaged in scrutinising the perpetrator.

  52. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    25 Feb, 2013 - 8:12 pm

    Saint Mary denies the allegations.

  53. resident dissident

    25 Feb, 2013 - 9:53 pm

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/02/rennard-conundrum/#comment-395831

    Of course we are often told that providing you distinguish between Judaism and Zionism then it isn’t anti-semitic. Perhaps one of the Eminences could point out to Mary how this post doesn’t make that distinction. Not that I suspect she cares.

    It takes a pretty sick person to deny any religion or anyone that matter the right to mourn their dead.

  54. Wow! Five in a row. Jackpot time at the ‘old fruits’ machine.

  55. Mary
    Not only that but after 54 posts and over 24 hours still no mention of the noble Lord being flown to Israel and back courtesy of the Israeli Government . Not a Zionist angle to the ‘allegations ‘ but a Zionist angle to his Lordship however .

    “PS You know that this post of yours will have disappointed more than one of the Eminences, because apart from the mention of the Israel/Palestine war, there is no Zionist angle to foam about” (Habbabkuk 7.04 pm 24th February)

  56. BrianFujisan

    26 Feb, 2013 - 1:23 am

    mary, thanks for post on nhs…all the girls i know are employed by nhs…Stay Kool, and good on you for ignoring you know who….P.s Avon is good for Midgies

  57. It’s all a blackmail scene to pressure Agent Clegg back into line as he may’ve been getting seperatist ideas above his agreed station.

    Of course the whole political,religious,media,military scene is a game of Masonic power blackmail.

    Somebody wrote ‘Jack Strawture”…very apt.

  58. Brian and General Giap. Thanks for your comments which are appreciated. The intent of the ‘presences’ of course is to blight the blog and to bore people so stiff that they give up coming here. They certainly do not add anything to our knowledge or contribute.

    I have been looking around on Rennard. Guido Fawkes (Paul Staines) was on to him in 2009. http://order-order.com/2009/05/21/rennard-round-up/

    In 2011 They linked to Rennard being a consultant on this outfit. How about Ashdown’s comment?
    http://www.internationalfundraisingconsultancy.com/biography29.php

    The founder. http://uk.linkedin.com/in/johnbaguleyifc

  59. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    26 Feb, 2013 - 8:08 am

    @ Mary (23h35) :

    “Jackpot time at the ‘old fruits’ machine”

    I don’t think the ‘old fruits’ image is the wisest one for you to employ, Mary..

    *******

    La vita è bella, life is good! (lots of fruit is healthy)

  60. doug scorgie

    26 Feb, 2013 - 9:50 am

    “Liberal Democrat officials are to meet Metropolitan Police officers to discuss allegations made against the party’s former chief executive Lord Rennard.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21583533

    If complaints of sexual assault have been lodged with the police why has Lord Rennard not been arrested, like any other person would and interrogated?

    Should the police not be taking statements from the women involved instead of meeting LibDem officials?

  61. doug scorgie

    26 Feb, 2013 - 9:59 am

    Habbabkuk

    Is this you and your missus?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-21577948

  62. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    26 Feb, 2013 - 11:37 am

    Yes indeed, Dougie, well spotted!

    Any answer/info/enlightenment yet on the unemployed/employed question that was put to you a few days ago?

    “Why has Lord Rennard not yet been arrested?”

    A very good question, which I feel you should address to the police force concerned. Would you do that on our behalf? Thanks in advance.

    “Should the police not be taking statements from the women involved?”

    Indubitably! Perhaps they are talking to Liberal Party officials to find out who they are. Think, Dougie, think! (even if it hurts)

    *****

    La vita è bella, life is good! (suppport your local police)

  63. I note that there was no comment on mine from which I assume it is admitted to be correct.

    The intent of the ‘presences’ of course is to blight the blog and to bore people so stiff that they give up coming here. They certainly do not add anything to our knowledge or contribute.

  64. Au contraire mon cheri Mary,

    Despite your occasional interesting link, if anything it is your irrational intolerance and repetitive snide comments that blight this blog.

    People with views or beliefs different from yourself are not intrinsically evil or sub-human, you seem to utterly fail to understand this concept.

    Have a nice day.

  65. Lord Rennard — Christopher John Rennard Esquire, MBE, having been created Baron Rennard, of Wavertree in the County of Merseyside, for life by Letters Patent dated in the forenoon of 21st July 1999, was introduced between the Baroness Maddock and the Lord Clement-Jones, the Gentleman Usher of the Black Rod and Garter King of Arms preceding; and took and subscribed the oath pursuant to statute. July 1999 http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199899/minutes/990727/ldminute.htm

    Lady Maddock.
    One time member of the Committee on Standards in Public Life. (no irony here when read in conjunction with the expenses piece below)

    Wife of Beith, arch LD Friend of Israel.http://ldfi.org.uk/the-committee/

    Trougher with Beith. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5364659/MPs-expenses-would-be-Speaker-Sir-Alan-Beith-and-his-wife-claimed-177000.html

    http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/diana-maddock/27081

    :::

    Lord Clement Jones.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Clement-Jones,_Baron_Clement-Jones

    With DLA Piper a giant multi-national legal outfit where Mrs Cleggover was a partner. http://www.dlapiper.com/tim_clement-jones/

    http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/timothy-clement-jones/26580

    :::

    What a shower!

  66. Dear Presence Why don’t you f off and find another blog to blight. You just pester genuine people. It’s truth and justice we are about here, not concepts you and yours would recognize.

  67. ‘If complaints of sexual assault have been lodged with the police why has Lord Rennard not been arrested, like any other person would and interrogated?’

    The plods may well be trying to ascertain whether Rennard’s ‘inappropriate advances’ were common assault (not an arrestable offence) or sexual assault (which is). In Rennard’s case that would appear to depend on how low down the back, or up the leg, his ‘wandering hands’ actually strayed.

    As for the dissembling Craig identified in Cleggover’s comments, that appears to have gone viral within the LibDem hierarchy; witness Simon Hughes on Newsnight yesterday, or Ed Davey here in his local rag-

    http://www.kingstonguardian.co.uk/news/10250453.Edward_Davey___I_did_not_hear_Rennard_rumours_/?ref=rss

  68. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    26 Feb, 2013 - 3:08 pm

    @ Mary (11h49) :

    “I note that there was no comment on mine from which I assume it is admitted to be correct”

    What a curiously stiff, Soviet-style sentence! But never mind.

    At last I’ve understood why you almost never react to correction or criticism – your silence indicates you admit the correction or criticism to be correct.

    Thank you!

    *******

    La vita è bella, life is good! (it’s good to progress)

  69. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    26 Feb, 2013 - 3:15 pm

    @ CE :

    “Au contraire, mon cheri Mary”

    I would strongly advise you, CE, not to raise Mary’s hopes only to have to dash them at a later stage :)

    Given her Saintly status with the Eminences on this blog, even a more cautious “ma chère Marie” might give some people the wrong impression…..

  70. I quite agree Old Mark. Something very strange is going on within the LD crowd.

    I have just been reading about this female judge who was a prosecution witness in the Huhne Pryce trial but whom the CPS have now taken off.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/top-female-barrister-constance-briscoe-investigated-over-leaking-chris-huhne-case-court-told-8511662.html

    She was arrested last October when there was a hush up.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/constance-briscoe-judge-who-wrote-misery-memoir-suspended-after-arrest-8203907.html

    ~~~~

    Just to say that Davey and Huhne are here welcoming members of the Knesset.

    Lib Dems Meet Cross Party Delegation from Israel

    In December 2009, Liberal Democrat Parliamentarians met five visiting Members of the Israeli Parliament (Knesset). The visiting politicians each represented a different political party in Israel.
    (photo)
    Liberal Democrat Parliamentarians: LDFI President, Sir Alan Beith MP together with MPs Ed Davey, Chris Huhne, Lynne Featherstone and Willie Rennie and Lib Dem Peers Lord Wallace, Lord Dholakia and Baroness Neuberger.

    Israeli Members of Knesset (Parliament): Yitzhak Vaknin MK – Shas, Tzipi Hotovely MK – Likud, Anastassia Michaeli MK – Yisrael Beiteinu, Majalli Whbee MK and Nachman Shai MK – Kadima.

    http://ldfi.org.uk/events/previous-events/

  71. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    26 Feb, 2013 - 3:20 pm

    It’s a pity he’s called Lord Rennard, isn’t it, because it obliges us to call this matter foxy rather than fishy. Now if he were only called Lord Tench or Lord Pyke…..

    *****

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  72. Jives
    Re: Clegg’s separatism. Is that the same as autonobism?

  73. doug scorgie

    26 Feb, 2013 - 7:50 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
    26 Feb, 2013 – 11:37 am

    “Any answer/info/enlightenment yet on the unemployed/employed question that was put to you a few days ago?”

    I merely said that the unemployment/employment figures from the official sites I quoted were rather confusing for the average personage (like me for example). I know fuck all about the subject – not my area of expertise.

    “A very good question, which I feel you should address to the police force concerned.”

    I have officially written to the Met and other police forces on similar matters in the past. One does not get a straight answer from the bastards – a bit like you actually.

  74. Talking of chicken soup, I wonder which clever chef is responsible for this interesting recipe:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2198348/Is-love-air-Chris-Huhnes-ex-wife-Vicky-Pryce-Labour-MP.html

  75. Re Habbakuk – whoever or whatever this person represents, appears to be a force intent on destroying all attempts to throw light on or open up debate on matters that are of concern to us all. Juvenile, sixth form labelling of those contributors with whom it disagrees, is a desperate attempt to recruit followers to the cause – and one at least has adopted “Eminences”. Pathetic.

  76. doug scorgie

    26 Feb, 2013 - 8:46 pm

    OldMark
    26 Feb, 2013 – 2:12 pm

    “The plods may well be trying to ascertain whether Rennard’s ‘inappropriate advances’ were common assault (not an arrestable offence) or sexual assault (which is).”

    Yes I agree but I still say that the police should ascertain that from the alleged victim’s statements and, if they (the police) suspect an arrestable offence has been committed, then the next step would be feeling Lord Rennard’s collar; not talking to LibDem officials.

    What I am suggesting is that, if the accused is “someone of note” or famous, the police appear to treat the victims with contempt and the accused with far greater respect than ordinary citizens would be.

  77. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    26 Feb, 2013 - 10:13 pm

    @ Rose (20h28) :

    I represent nobody except myself and am not trying to recruit anyone to what you imagine wrongly to be a “cause”. I imagine the same goes for other contributors like CE and Resident Dissident.

    @ Doug Scorgie (19h50) :

    Fair enough. I was simply under the impression, from the sneers you threw in my direction, that you did have some expertise in the matter.

    @ Doug Scorgie (20h46) :

    I would agree that the chances are that someone of note will often get handled more “gently”. But not always, cf. Chris Huhne? And should we not perhaps await developments regarding Lord Rennard – investigations of this nature might take longer than 48 hours or so.

  78. No Habbakuk – I dont “imagine” – what a gentle put down – I make up my mind, after much reflection.

  79. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    26 Feb, 2013 - 10:42 pm

    @ Rose : it wasn’t meant to be a put down, gentle or otherwise. But if you have reflected much and come to a firm opinion, could I ask you what you believe my “cause” to be? It obviously cannot be to stifle debate or to cast darkness as I haven’t noticed that any of the Eminences or indeed other commenters have fallen silent.

    ******

    La vita è bella, life is good! (and fiat lux)

  80. I have no idea what your cause is, but that there is one, to quote St Basil is “bleedin obvious”. You tell me.

  81. resident dissident

    26 Feb, 2013 - 11:00 pm

    @Mary

    “It’s truth and justice we are about here, not concepts you and yours would recognize.”

    No Mary what you are about is assigning a label to those with who you disagree be it Jewish/Zionist/Tory/New Labour/visited Israel or any other of your pet hates as a basis for ignoring and rubbishing their arguments. What is the truth is that people are not as black and white as you believe and you cannot rubbish anyone’s entire set of beliefs on the basis that they hold one or more that you disagree with.

    I also note that you have pointedly failed to address my point about distinguishing between Judaism and Zionism.

  82. “What I am suggesting is that, if the accused is “someone of note” or famous, the police appear to treat the victims with contempt and the accused with far greater respect than ordinary citizens would be.”

    I agree entirely Doug, the Swedish police and prosecutors favourable treatment of Julian Assange was misguided at best.

  83. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    26 Feb, 2013 - 11:34 pm

    Anyone been following Paul Tucker’s (of the Bank of England) idea of negative interest rates on money deposited at the BoE by UK commercial banks? I remember the Swiss Central Bank and the Swiss commercial banks using negative interest rates 30 or 40 years ago. The aim was different of course (to discourage inflows of hot money) but the manoeuvre was rather successful.

    *******

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  84. CE: “I agree entirely Doug, the Swedish police and prosecutors favourable treatment of Julian Assange was misguided at best.”

    This is where you prove, for all your verbose posts, that you are nothing but a jackass dolt of a bigot.

  85. Les Piss: “What is the truth is that people are not as black and white as you believe….”

    Yes, true for people like you, because they are confused. And from confusion come’s more confusion.

    But truth itself is not confused

  86. Villager I wonder if the three of them, RD, H and CE, are joined at the hip or are in fact three manifestations of the same person. I try to ignore them and their puerile catty stuff. In the real world, I would have them for slander.

  87. Cleggover was waylaid on a LBC phone in this morning when Cathy Newman of Ch 4 came on the line and asked him to confirm if Rennard had been sacked on health grounds or for other reasons. He sounded very flustered and also looked it on a video.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21600057

  88. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    27 Feb, 2013 - 5:17 pm

    @ Mary (09h58)

    If we were the same person then I suppose the moderator would have noticed by now, wouldn’t you say? IP numbers and all that?

    “In the real world I would have them for slander” :

    how dare you, you vile viper-tongue? In the real world it would be you who’d be in court for slander, harassment or incitement to hatred or any combination of the three.

  89. Keep up. Took you all day to find that. I notice you lurk at the end of older threads making your nasty remarks about others such as Mark Golding, Doug Scorgie etc.

    I seem to have been transformed by you from biblical NT characters to a member of the reptile species. It is you that inhabits a nest of vipers. Suggest you get a mirror, stick out your tongue at yourself and check that your tongue is still forked. Mine is not.

  90. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    27 Feb, 2013 - 7:42 pm

    Not forked but twisted (yours, I mean).

    And no transformation implied : you pose as a saint but hiss like a viper.

  91. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    27 Feb, 2013 - 7:50 pm

    and it took me “all day” to find your comment because I have other things to do in my day than sitting in front of this blog (unlike your good self).

  92. doug scorgie

    27 Feb, 2013 - 8:15 pm

    Mary
    26 Feb, 2013 – 3:19 pm

    Constance Briscoe a prominent barrister and judge may have lied to the police in the Chris Hunhe affair.

    If proven then this “prominent” pillar of society has conspired with Vicky Pryce to pervert the course of justice; this offence usually attracts a jail sentence.

    Will Constance Briscoe even be charged, let alone convicted, for this. Even in the unlikely event that she is convicted will she go to jail? I doubt it.

  93. doug scorgie

    27 Feb, 2013 - 8:45 pm

    resident dissident
    26 Feb, 2013 – 11:00 pm

    You quote Mary:

    “It’s truth and justice we are about here, not concepts you and yours would recognize.

    Then you say:

    “No Mary what you are about is assigning a label to those with who you disagree be it Jewish/Zionist/Tory/New Labour/visited Israel or any other of your pet hates as a basis for ignoring and rubbishing their arguments.”

    Firstly I ask you to name the “label” that you say Mary assigns the groups you have mentioned. And, more importantly retract the lie that Mary has ever mentioned the Jewish people in a derogatory way.

    Then you ask:

    “I also note that you have pointedly failed to address my point about distinguishing between Judaism and Zionism.”

    Judaism, as you know, is a religion followed mainly by Jews whereas Zionism is a racist ideology followed by some Jews, Christians and others, including Atheists and anti-Semites who want a uniquely Jewish state, run by Jews for the benefit of Jews and to the detriment of all other ethnic groups in that state.

    Anti-Semites being people that don’t want Jews in their part of the world.

  94. Yes Mary,

    I too am interested in seeing these slanderous (I presume you mean libellous, as I’ve never spoken a bad word against you) accusations that you claim to have been subjected to? Plus, this ‘we 3 are all one person’ shtick is becoming really boring.

    Surely you’re not over egging the pudding?

    As Habba indicates, if anyone was going to be charged for their content on this blog, I’m pretty sure you would be one of the first to get your collar felt.

  95. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    27 Feb, 2013 - 9:50 pm

    @ Dougie Scorgie (20h45) :

    “Firstly I ask you to name the “label”…etc…)

    and

    “And, more importantly retract the lie that…etc…”.

    Have you any idea how pompous and laughable you sound when you set yourself up as a kind of stern Old Testament prophet, beard all a-quiver, pointing his finger in wrath and enjoining the poor sinner of the moment to do and say this , that and the other?

    If you had any self-awareness you’d crawl back into your desert cave and keep quiet for a long, long time.

    *******

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  96. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    27 Feb, 2013 - 9:55 pm

    @ Dougie Scorgie (20h15) :

    “Will Constance Briscoe even be charged, let alone convicted for this. Even in the unlikely event that she is convicted, will she go to jail?”

    Could this be the same Dougie Scorgie who lambasted me a little while ago for putting forward opinions in the form of questions in order to provide an easy let-out if proved wrong?

    It certainly could!

    Well, you are wrong (again). zzzzzzz

  97. Doug Scorgie Ignoring the chaff or düppel, no I do not think Judge Briscoe will be charged. The LDs are mired in scandal after scandal but Cameron will keep a lid on things in case his ghastly Koalition krumbles! I don’t think Eastleigh would be having a by-election had it not been for the woman scorned. She said today that she was suicidal when Huhne left her.

    The present government is like the one portrayed in that drama A House of Cards.

  98. Talk about stating the bleeding obvious, of course Eastleigh wouldn’t be having a by-election if Huhne hadn’t left his wife.

    Could someone also explain Mary’s K in Koalition for me? I presume it is an awkward attempt at humour, but can’t figure it out? Thanks.

  99. CE:

    “Could someone also explain Mary’s K in Koalition for me? I presume it is an awkward attempt at humour, but can’t figure it out? Thanks.”

    Why don’t you jump in the freezer with the rest of the Kubes?

  100. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    28 Feb, 2013 - 4:51 pm

    @ CE (23h45 yesterday) :

    I think I can help. When mentioning things or people on her hate list (the UK govt. coalition, America, etc…), Mary uses a K instead of a C to give a slight Germanic flavour to the word and thus, presumably, to evoke the Nazi period.

    It’s rather childish of her, but that’s Merry (Not) for you!

    **********

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  101. Thanks Habba.

    Exactly as I feared. There seems to be no bounds to her tastelessness and sick sense of ‘humour’.

    Can’t quite decide what is worse, the inference that all Germans are Nazis, or the lack of historical perspective involved in attempting to compare our government to Nazis. Warped doesn’t quite do it justice.

    The mind boggles, it really does.

  102. LOL What a silly pair of trolls. They fell for it, again! Just a little bit of play in return for the attacks and insults that have been delivered for over three months now.

    http://www.shopatnorway.com/images/840020_LA_troll_norway.jpg

    Hope they will soon be as happy as the pair above.

  103. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    28 Feb, 2013 - 8:37 pm

    Standard gambit there : oh, I didn’t really mean it, I was just joking!

  104. Yes, it is perplexing how if you attempt to question Mary on her intolerant alter-ego, you are somehow falling for her ‘trap’? :roll:

    So how does this trap work? You pretend to be offensive in order to garner a response on a message board. I do believe there is a name for such behaviour….

  105. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    28 Feb, 2013 - 10:39 pm

    “a name for such behaviour”? Surely you don’t mean “t….” – no, I can’t bring myself to say it.

  106. resident dissident

    1 Mar, 2013 - 9:37 pm

    Douglas Scorgie

    Mary makes repeated references to people being Jewish in her posts attacking various targets – if you want an example look at here snide attack on Jemima Khan, where as far I can see her former religion or that of her father were of total irrelvance to the matter in hand. It is pretty clear that when she calls some one New Liebour, Jewish, a Friend of Israel that is not being given as a label of approval.

    I am glad that you understand the difference between being Jewish and being a Zionist (although I suspect you probably believe that anyone who believes in the right of both Israel and Palestine to exist, and is critical of the human rights abuses on both sides would probably be assigned the Zionist mark of disapproval) – Mary clearly doesn’t if you bother to look at the posting to which I originally objected and linked. I am still due a proper explanation as to why it is acceptable to use a Jewish religous festival as the basis for an attack on the (unacceptable) behaviour of some Zionists. Mary can huff and puff all she wants but she hasn’t had the courage to address the point I raised.

    Villager

    Go back and look at that Robert Frost poem – why do you think he was sighing? Real knowledge is to know the extent of one’s ignorance as they say.

  107. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    1 Mar, 2013 - 10:02 pm

    “Mary….hasn’t had the courage …” : yes, Resident Dissident in fact highlights one of Mary’s characteristics which I have been somewhat slow to recognise (and I thank him for pointing it out): her cowardice. She always attacks – with monotonous regularity – the easy targets, safe in the knowledge that she will gain the approval of this blog’s Eminences. And, when corrected or pulled to account, she ignores contrary points of view, choosing to simply ignore them rather than to defend the position she’s advanced. At best, she will dismiss anyway who disagrees with her as a troll – again, safe in the knowledge that the other Useful Idiots will cheer her on. A sad case.

  108. resident dissident

    2 Mar, 2013 - 9:37 am

    Habba, to be fair I’d contain my comments to Mary’s postings here. I suspect many people are totally different in real life from the persona they present here otherwise they would have very sore noses most of the time. And to be fair to Mary her posting a while back about her personal life shows that she demonstrated a lot of courage in other circumstances.

  109. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    2 Mar, 2013 - 9:24 pm

    Fair comment, Resident Dissident. Although Mary’s posts are all so much of a muchnesss that I find it a little hard to believe that the real Mary and her blog persona are that different.

    But I – and I suspect you’d agree with me – am not really interested in knowing what the real Mary is like. She chooses to post anonymously on this blog and our appraisals are accordingly of her posts and the opinions as revealed therein.

  110. Great blog post thanks for posting

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