The Iranians Are Coming – Aaaaargggh!

by craig on February 13, 2013 2:50 pm in Uncategorized

The undertow of anti-Iranian fearmongering becomes stronger. This is a tremendous bit of totally baseless fearmongering from an Obama administration official in the New York Times, positing nuclear bomb collaboration between Iran and North Korea:

The Iranians are also pursuing uranium enrichment, and one senior American official said two weeks ago that “it’s very possible that the North Koreans are testing for two countries.” Some believe that the country may have been planning two simultaneous tests, but it could take time to sort out the data.

This is on a par withthe Bush administration’s totally false claim of links between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaida. There is no linkage between the governments of Iran and North Korea; both regimes are highly unpleasant in many ways, but they have utterly conflicting ideologies and absolutely zero history of political collaboration. This is ludicrous scaremongering fantasy.

New CIA haed John Brennan put Iran and North Korea into the same sentence with nuclear weapons in his Senate confirmation hearing. This aspect was overlooked by the mainstream media, which focused on Brennans defence of drone killings (and ludicrous claims of absence of bystander deaths). But Ray McGovern rightfully picked up on this part of his opening statement:

“regimes in Tehran and Pyongyang remain bent on pursuing nuclear weapons”.

As Ray points out, the US intelligence services own assessment is that while Pyongyang plainly is developing nuclear weapons, the situation in Tehran is much more nuanced. There is no clear intention of Iran to develop nuclear weapons. That Brennan gives a position at variance with the actual analysis of the agency he is to head is worrying, to say the least.

We have the same seamless and completely unjustified linguistic waving together of North Korean and Iranian nuclear programmes from former Israeli Foreign Minister and Netanyahu prop Liebermann quoted here:

Former Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman says North Korea’s nuclear test was an “obvious example” of diplomacy failing to curb a nuclear program. Lieberman told Army Radio on Wednesday that “anyone who thinks sanctions or negotiations will stop Iran is wrong.”

Iran remains the best justification for bloated military budgets and the next obvious target for war profiteers and hydrocarbon vultures. Expect a crescendo of this nonsense this summer/

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  1. e.g.
    Obama: Nuclear test ‘isolates North Korea further’ today
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21437876

    North Korea nuclear test branded ‘serious threat’ to US yesterday
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21429544

    and from Medialens

    Short email to Mardell…
    Posted by Ed on February 12, 2013, 7:09 pm, in reply to “Re: The BBC’s Mark Mardell “what is actually happening in the world”.”

    Mr Mardell,

    In your “Analysis” piece that accompanies the BBC report “”North Korea nuclear test branded ‘serious threat’ to US”, you state:

    “But perhaps the biggest test of the Obama administration is how Beijing responds – a key plank of his foreign policy is bringing China into the international community and get it to , in some senses, start to act like a superpower.”

    By acting “like a superpower”, I take it you have the USA in mind? So that would mean starting illegal wars of aggression on defenseless countries, kill lists which include their own citizens and the extra-judicial murders that this involves, drone strikes that kill untold numbers of innocent people, inflicting crippling sanctions on countries who won’t do as they are told and deposing democratically elected governments around the world.

    Instead of tacitly endorsing that China “act like a superpower” by your uncritical acceptance of Obama’s pronouncements , your “Analysis” badly needs a bit more definition and explanation as to what this “superpower” status actually means in practice, to those unfortunate millions who are caught up at the sharp end of its illegal activities and war crimes.

    The US “superpower” is actually more like a “rogue” or “terrorist state” and “what is actually happening in the world” is clear evidence of that.

    Yours,
    Ed Murray

  2. And what Netanhahu’s lot did to the Palestinians yesterday. Just one day when they didn’t actually kill anybody.

    http://www.sapienspromise.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2687

  3. So on one side we have Iran who have a history of non aggression, have signed the NPT and are abiding by the terms.

    On the other we have America, history of little but aggression who signed the NPT but are totally ignoring the terms by building and testing their new bunker buster bombs. Plus of course Israel who didn’t even sign the NPT and gave nuclear technology to apartheid South Africa.

    I think America is being more than a little hypocritical.

  4. Superb Ed! :)
    Dan Rather’s ‘stenographer’ description comes FTL to mind.

  5. “Plus of course Israel who didn’t even sign the NPT and gave nuclear technology to apartheid South Africa”

    There are suggestions also that N Korea’s 2009 test used one of the three Israeli/S African nukes “missing” since the early 90s. The contention that N Korea is testing on behalf of another country nay well be true but if so I bet it’s not Iran.

  6. BrianFujisan

    13 Feb, 2013 - 4:16 pm

    Little wonder that North Korea is Twitchy, and paranoid, about amerca -

    The prewar (1946-49) massacres by the U.S.’ South Korean flunkeys (sometimes overseen by American officers) were only the warm-up to the wholesale slaughter of Koreans carried out directly by the U.S. military during the Korean War, as American warplanes and troops returned, this time supposedly as “United Nations” forces. In the name of “freedom” and “democracy,” the United States engaged in mass murder in Korea on an industrial scale from 1950 to 1953. This included leveling virtually every city in North Korea with carpet bombing; targeting civilian population centers with firebombs and dropping huge quantities of napalm (jellied gasoline), burning inhabitants to a crisp; executing vast numbers of peasants and “suspected Communists” in cold blood; and deliberately murdering thousands of refugees. This was a policy of mass extermination. The United States wiped out one fifth of the entire North Korean population at the time. In addition, Washington prepared to drop scores of atomic bombs on the North and turn the country into a vast radioactive cemetery.

    Scene of the crime: railroad bridge where hundreds of South Korean refugees were massacred by U.S. troops on 25 July 1950. (Photo: USAF aerial photo, from U.S. Department of the Army, No Gun Ri Review [January 2001])

    For years, there was a curtain of silence about the massacres in the South. But in 1999, a team of reporters for the Associated Press – Sand-Hun Choe, Charles J. Hanley and Martha Mendoza – published a series of groundbreaking articles laying out in horrific detail a massacre on 26 July 1950 of up to 400 Korean refugees at a bridge outside No Gun Ri, near the city of Yongdong.1 The reports were based on testimony from Korean survivors and from a dozen U.S. soldiers who had participated in or witnessed the slaughter. The reports had a profoundly shocking effect. The Pentagon had been denying this and similar reports for years. At first it claimed that no troops were even in the area of No Gun Ri. But faced with the testimony of a dozen American veterans, it had to backtrack. The AP stories won a Pulitzer Prize for investigative reporting.

    And in the North -

    In North Korea, in contrast, the U.S. bombing went on for three years, and its purpose was not terrorizing the population, it was annihilation. cumings quotes Curtis LeMay, the architect of the aerial bombing that incinerated Japanese cites (and who later advocated bombing Vietnam “back to the Stone Age”). LeMay says he argued with his Pentagon superiors at the outset to “let us go up there . . . and burn down five of the biggest towns in North Korea.” While there were objections about civilian casualties, he said, in the end “over a period of three years or so . . . we burned down every town in North Korea and South Korea, too.” The number of civilian dead in North Korea during the war was over 1 million, and total casualties were 1.5 million-plus, out of a total population at the time of 8-9 million: almost 20 percent of the population. Plus another million killed in South Korea.

    “The air force dropped 625 tons of bombs over North Korea on 12 August [1950], a tonnage that would have required a fleet of 250 B-17s in the second world war. By late August B-29 formations were dropping 800 tons a day on the North. Much of it was pure napalm. From June to late October 1950, B-29s unloaded 866,914 gallons of napalm.”

    –“Korea: Forgotten Nuclear Threats,” Le Monde Diplomatique (English edition), December 2004

    But that’s only (some of) what the U.S. did. What it was preparing to do was far worse. After MacArthur had been pushed out of the North, on 24 December 1950, the U.S./U.N. commander made a formal request for 38 atomic bombs accompanied by a list of 24 targets, to turn North Korea from a wasteland (which U.S. bombing had already made it) into an uninhabitable moonscape. In posthumously published interviews, MacArthur claimed he had a plan to win the war in ten days: “I would have dropped 30 or so atomic bombs . . . strung across the neck of Manchuria,” leaving “behind us – from the Sea of Japan to the Yellow Sea – a belt of radioactive cobalt . . . it has an active life of between 60 and 120 years. For at least 60 years there could have been no land invasion of Korea from the North.”2 Or any human life in Korea north of the 38th parallel.

    This was a program for genocide on a scale surpassing Hitler

  7. Nuclear weapons are not what N. Korea and Iran have in common. What they have in common is banking where the Rothschilds are not in total control. That’s why they are big prizes to the Zionist-owned Yanks.

  8. That is the Zionists who will have this Palestinian man’s death on their hands.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/02/13/are-they-just-waiting-for-samer-issawi-to-die/

    Shame on Amnesty International too for their lack of involvement.

  9. BrianFujisan

    13 Feb, 2013 - 5:26 pm

    The new Executive Director of Amnesty International USA – Suzanne Nossel – is a recent U.S. government insider.

    Nossel would have worked for and with Hillary Clinton, Madeleine Albright, Samantha Power and Susan Rice, and undoubtedly helped them successfully implement their “Right to Protect (R2P)” – otherwise known as “humanitarian intervention” – as well as the newly created “Atrocity Prevention Board.”

    This cornerstone of President Barack Obama’s foreign policy (which has served mainly to rationalize the launching of war on Libya) is now being hauled out to call for U.S.-NATO military intervention in Syria.

    in fact, Nossel is herself credited as having coined the term “Smart Power,” which embraces the United States ’ use of military power as well as other forms of “soft power,” an approach which Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced at her confirmation as the new basis of State Department policy.

    Mossel also worked as deputy to Crypto-Jew, Richard Hallbrooke who played a major role in the dimemberment of Bosnia as a Muslim state in 1990s

    http://consortiumnews.com/2012/06/18/amnestys-shilling-for-us-wars/

  10. BrianFujisan

    13 Feb, 2013 - 5:37 pm

    Mary you have Posted a few times now on matters relating to the Korea’s…i ment to put this link up for you, it’s where i got some info for my post at 4;15…its one of a few pages iv’e had bookmarked for a couple years…its truly heartbreaking what the us were getting away with in BOTH Korea’s

    http://www.internationalist.org/northkoreawarneverended1012.html

  11. ‘Former Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman says North Korea’s nuclear test was an “obvious example” of diplomacy failing to curb a nuclear program.’

    The best case of ‘pot, kettle, black’ I’ve seen this year, given that western countries don’t even pretend to exert ‘diplomatic pressure’ over the Dimona facility, and the warheads that Israel has developed as a result.

  12. @ BrianFujisan, so thank God Nossel’s gone. But thanks too for the information because not everybody knew.

  13. Where’s Werrity?

  14. “Expect a crescendo of this nonsense this summer”

    Traditionally spring is the time for military offensives to begin in the northern hemisphere.

    Iraq main offensive began 20th March 2003, for example.

  15. I was quite young when the Korean War was being fought 1950-1953. The coverage was only in the press and on the radio in those days and I can remember thinking how brutal it looked in the photos and how much slaughter was taking place. There was a lot about the Glorious Gloucesters. Even then, as now, war and killing was glorified just five years after the carnage of WWII amazingly.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War
    Look at the casualty and wounded statistics on the RH side.

    Then later they made light of it by making MASH.

    Thanks Brian for that link and agree about Nossel John.

    She has left AI US after about a year and has found a new niche at PEN US as Executive Director. Not sure what Pen is about but Nossel’s CV does not fit very comfortably in their tag line –
    Promoting Literature, Defending Freedom of Expression

    Is Pen similar to any of those international set ups which act as left covers for US militarism? I do not know the answer to that but there is something at the back of my mind about one of the UK membership whom was found to be dubious but cannot recall it now.

    http://www.pen-international.org/who-we-are/board/ I always want to know who runs an organisation and how it is funded and by whom.

  16. Iran remains a member of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). North Korea withdrew from the NPT in 2003. Iran permits inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), in accordance with the NPT. As a non-member of the NPT, North Korea undergoes no such inspections.

    So, very little similarity, I’d say, and North Korea’s test is being used as yet more propaganda against Iran.

  17. Jives, 6:12 pm:

    “Where’s Werrity?”

    Let’s hope he was at 41.30°N 129.08°E near Mantapsan, Kilju County until 02:57 UTC on 12 February 2013.

  18. The Sigrid Rausing Trust donates £50k to PEN International a charity registered in the UK and based in London. Freedom of Expression, remember that when you read below.
    http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends88/0001117088_ac_20111231_e_c.pdf

    Rausing owns Portobello Books/Granta Books famous or rather infamous for airbrushing Craig Murray out of ‘Ian Cobain’s history of British state involvement in torture, “Cruel Britannia” – appears to have been radically censored between the review copies and publication.’
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/01/the-disappearance-of-craig-murray/

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/01/the-disappearance-of-craig-murray/#comment-387798

    Perhaps Ms Rausing did not like Craig reminding us of this about her daddy within
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2006/06/us_military_hon/

    Earlier this year The Guardian disclosed that Hans Rausing, the Swedish billionaire and former head of Tetra Pak, was awarded an honorary knighthood for philanthropy in January despite questions over his use of legal loopholes to avoid paying tax.

  19. “George Galloway has made the most salient point: Iraq was attacked because it DIDN’T have weapons of mass destruction, North Korea will not be attacked because they DO have weapons of mass destruction, and this is the logic of western (led by US) foreign policy since 1991. Any nation that fears the west, or has valuable resources that may lead them to be invaded, has every reason to obtain or develop a nuclear capacity.”

  20. Nice one Clark! :) Where did you get those coordinates from?

    Seriously, do you think we will ever see Werritty again or has he heen given plastic surgery and a new identity?

  21. Quick – we need another war.

    There are real problems to be addressed:-

    i) An enormous debt
    ii) Homelessness
    iii) Joblessness
    iv) Cost of health for the general populace
    v) A defence budget that increases in each new fiancial year and exacerrbates the already exorbitant national debt –

    BUT – WE DO NEED ANOTHER WAR!

  22. “Cost of health for the general populace”?
    WELL –
    A) If one stays at home in the US and does not enter the armed forces – there is the issue of the cost of domestic health care.
    B) If one goes abroad to a war and is killed – problem A) is solved.
    C) If one comes home, back to the US – but has suffered trauma or been injured – there still is the cost of domestic health care to be concerned about – from whatever source it is provided – veterans medical – or – civilian services. Serious injuries can demand very costly treatment if the patient is to be properly tended.

    BUT – WE DO NEED ANOTHER WAR! – HOW ELSE ARE THE DOCTORS TO BE KEPT BUSY?

  23. USUK EMPIRE – MUPPET STREAM MEDIA LIES

    IRAN

    Iran USUK MSM lies – why today?

    - ‘IAEA experts arrive in Iran for new round of talks on nuclear deal’ – 13th February, 2013 – Xinhua news agency –

    - http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2013-02/13/c_132167427.htm

    Oh look – What a surprise, etc, etc.

    More US Empire Muppet Stream Media propaganda perchance? No change there, then!

    Is it a poor thing when the Chinese provide (reasonably) accurate (foreign ; ) ) information and the BBC slavishly repeats the lies of the US Muppet Stream Media??

    (ER, Is the Pope a Catholic?? etc. Ed.)

    UP THE USUK NEO-CON NAZI NONCE EMPIRE !

    Just say “Up yours” to USUK Empire Neo-Con Nazi mass psychosis! –

    USUK Empire Neo-Con Nazism made mainstream by ‘Biggus Dickus,’ (of Wome on the Potomac) — Big Oil tool and US Torture promoter – brought to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, Aden, Syria, Egypt, Uzbekistan, Poland, Lithuania and many, many more —

    - “You lucky bastard” – Monty Python – Life of Brian -

    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EI7p2p1QJI#t=00m34s

  24. Mary, Wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_North_Korean_nuclear_test

    There is a link on the right to ToolServer GeoHack, which is a remarkable service. Loads of mapping tools, linked from a single page with coordinates pre-entered for you:

    http://toolserver.org/~geohack/geohack.php?pagename=2013_North_Korean_nuclear_test&params=41.30_N_129.08_E_type:event_region:KP

  25. Werrity: “…as you can see it’s a very nice bomb, quite small, not a huge yield, but easily deployed, and only $ NO DON’T PUSH THAT YET!!!”

  26. Mary,

    The approximate coordinates popped up on real time seismic monitors immediately it happened. Here’s the summary from EMSC http://www.emsc-csem.org/Earthquake/

    2013-02-12 02:57:51.0 41.32 N 128.99 E 1 5.0 CHINA-NORTH KOREA BORDER REGION

    Magnitude 5.

    EMSC has a real time “for seismologists” link that gives unfiltered data direct from the various monitoring networks. Those bastard commie North Koreans waited until I had checked it one last time for the night and then set it off.

  27. Thanks Clark and Anon. V interesting.

    O/T What is it with the wish to have statues of living or dead PMs? Didn’t we have enough of them in their time not to want reminding?

    Harold Wilson Westminster statue plea
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-21442959

    Living we have Cameron, Brown, Bliar, Major and Thatcher.

    http://www.number10.gov.uk/history-and-tour/past-prime-ministers/

  28. resident dissident

    13 Feb, 2013 - 11:02 pm

    “George Galloway has made the most salient point: Iraq was attacked because it DIDN’T have weapons of mass destruction, North Korea will not be attacked because they DO have weapons of mass destruction, and this is the logic of western (led by US) foreign policy since 1991. Any nation that fears the west, or has valuable resources that may lead them to be invaded, has every reason to obtain or develop a nuclear capacity.”

    Jeez – the debate on the Left in the UK used to be about whether nuclear disarmament should be unilateral, bilateral or multilateral – no one but no one, with the possibility of a few nutters, argued for everyone to have nuclear weapons. I’m worried enough about Israel and Pakistan having them without extending the franchise even further.

    And before anyone bothers to ask I don’t believe a war against Iran or North Korea is the way to stop them developing nuclear weapons or that they are working together for that matter. But it should be recognised that they would be breaking UN Resolutions (or International Law if you like) if they were to do so; and I have no problem whatsoever with other forms of pressure being applied on them not to develop nuclear weapons. Especially given that there are recent signs that Ahmedjinadhad is on the way out and possibly something similar may be happening in North Korea, given that the usually do these tests as a form of blackmail in ordert to get food aid.

    BTW despite what Galloway says Saddam did at one time have WMD and he used them againt the Kurds and Iranians, and his indefatigable friend had something of a track record of invading his neighbours and that Stalin for whom he cried wasn’t adverse to miltary intervention in other countries – so perhaps George’s advice on how to maintain peace might just be a little flawed.

  29. to our resident puffball
    who would like to bomb Iran. It may come as surprise to you that I have already started a collection in support of this action. For the time being we get some moey but hardly more than just a dribble from the sale of DVDs with the inimitable McCain singing “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran”. As it sells so poorly, we would need a better performer to enhance the sales. Can you sing by any chance, puffball? Or would you prefer to contribute financially to this secret fund? If so I will tell you where to transfer the money. Bombs, good old boy, cost lot of money as you may have heard.

  30. ResDiss it called Mutually Assured Destruction–like you, we live in a bi-polar world.

  31. “Little wonder that North Korea is Twitchy, and paranoid, about amerca ”

    So NK is justified in being one of only three nations still refusing to sign the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty because of what the Yanks did 60 years ago? Doesn’t seem to have left the Germans or the Japanese “twitchy and paranoid” even though they suffered worse.

  32. “there are recent signs that Ahmedjinadhad is on the way out”

    The Iranian presidential elections are in June of this year. Ahmadinejad is unable to stand because he will have completed two consecutive terms, the maximum permissible.

  33. resident dissident 13 Feb, 11:02 pm:

    “Jeez – the debate on the Left in the UK used to be about whether nuclear disarmament should be unilateral, bilateral or multilateral –”

    Those were the days, eh? But no one ever actually disarmed to any great extent.

    “BTW despite what Galloway says Saddam did at one time have WMD”

    We know that, ‘cos we (the UK) sold him some. The US encouraged him to attack some of his neighbours. Our Craig Murray worked on monitoring the arms embargo against Iraq.

    “so perhaps [Saddam's indefatigable friend] George’s advice on how to maintain peace might just be a little flawed.”

    Galloway spoke the truth, a rare quality in a politician. Countries want bombs to protect themselves from aggressors, which more often than not is the US. And it works. I’d rather have effective international law, but instead Blair and Bush walk around free, making lots of money, despite Iraq 2003.

    Why do the conventional Left hate Galloway so much? Oh yes, he spoke the truth, and the Left would rather maintain their fake fight with the Right. Cash for the bosses or jobs for the workers; there’s good money in death.

    “Is it worth it?
    A new winter coat and shoes for the wife,
    And a bicycle on the boy’s birthday…”

  34. Resident Dissident. You are aware, are you not, that Galloway was one of the few UK MPs at the time who was opposed to Saddam’s use of chemical weapons against the Kurds at Halabja while the majority of his colleagues in the house supported the then Iraqi dictator. In fact, while other members of the house were siding with the murderous thug, Galloway was actively demonstrating outside the Iraqi embassy in London against him. Moreover, the weapons in question were supplied to him by us. Galloway’s advice on how to maintain peace is not flawed at all but rather is entirely consistent with his principled position above. You need to look elsewhere for the hypocrites.

  35. Kempe, what the hell has justification to do with anything? No, not sixty years ago. Invasion and attack are ongoing.

    But good point about the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. Hopefully this little nuke won’t spark off a wave of tests.

  36. I thought that was a half decent comment by Resident Dissident despite disagreeing with it. It is on the face of it paradoxical the idea that Iran and everyone else would be safer if they had nuclear weapons. Paradoxical but not impractical. Overall it is –only fair while it is being destabilised and threatened by invasive, illegal warmongering, nuclear powers.

  37. BrianFujisan

    14 Feb, 2013 - 1:55 am

    Kemp, if we take the the estimated population on N. Korea…in 1950, 1953 to be say 9 million, that along with size of country – compared to japan ( less than half in size ) All things considered, North korea suffered vastly more.

    Some of us who live on the Clyde, are concerned, at america’s taunting of China, teasing of Russia, Being hell bent on WWlll – ( just a Little ) – I live just across from ( to this day ) Russia’s Primary European Target.

    in fact, if it were not for Rusian hero No 2 – Stanislave Petrov – the entire west coast of Scotland Might be Devoid of humans.

    I was somewhat taken up By Stanilav’s Story, that i built a facebook page, Freedom Of The City Of Glasgow, And Nobel Peace Prize For Stanislav Petrov

  38. My own view is that it is highly undesirable for either North Korea or Iran to have nuclear weapons. Or anyone else, for that matter. I am not the least attracted by notions of universal MAD. The particular point of this article was that North Korea’s recent test has led to further untrue propaganda about Iran’s nuclear programme from the US and Israel, which is in fact motivated by completely different policy objectives than genuine concern about nuclear weapons..

  39. I for one understood perfectly the point of the article and I agree entirely with its thesis.

  40. NORTH KOREA

    > The particular point of this article was that North Korea’s recent test has led to further untrue propaganda about Iran’s nuclear programme from the US and Israel,

    Yep!

    Previously – Not the US Empire Muppet Stream Media’s version. –

    - ‘DPRK conducts nuke test to safeguard national security: KCNA’ – 12th February, 2013 – Xinhua news agency –

    - http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2013-02/12/c_132165960.htm

    Is it a poor thing when the Chinese provide (reasonably) accurate (foreign ; ) ) information and the UK Muppet Stream Media slavishly repeats the lies of the US Muppet Stream Media??

    Daily Heil goes Bonkers! – 11th February, 2013 –

    - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2277331/North-Korea-threat-U-S–says-American-Defence-Secretary-Panetta-secretive-states-successful-nuclear-test.html

    No change there, then! ; ) -

    MORE MUPPETS !

    Muppet Stream Media Newsflash, made with real Muppets – New – Utter rubbish – No change there, then! – : ) -

    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBvbzQfMNik

    AND REVOLTING PEASANTS !

    UK peasants – Neo-Conned by their US Empire Sell-Out leaders? No change there, then! –

    - “There’s some lovely filth down here.” – The Anarcho-Syndicalist Peasant – Monty Python –

    - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA#t=00m15s

  41. @ Resident dissident:-

    ” should be recognised that they would be breaking UN Resolutions (or International Law if you like) if they were to do so; and I have no problem whatsoever with other forms of pressure being applied on them not to develop nuclear weapons”

    A. And help me.Why can the West increase its nuclear and banded chemicals weaponary?

    B. Isreal does not comply with the international established standards – and – neither does the US.

    C. But – ” should be recognised that they would be breaking UN Resolutions (or International Law if you like) if they were to do so; and I have no problem whatsoever with other forms of pressure being applied on them not to develop nuclear weapons”

    Double standards – just maybe?

  42. “If we take the the estimated population on N. Korea…in 1950, 1953 to be say 9 million, that along with size of country – compared to japan ( less than half in size ) All things considered, North korea suffered vastly more.”

    In terms of percentage population killed the figures are very similar, 3.6 to 4.2% for Japan and 2.3 to 3.9% for North Korea.

  43. ” You are aware, are you not, that Galloway was one of the few UK MPs at the time who was opposed to Saddam’s use of chemical weapons against the Kurds at Halabja ”

    That would’ve been before his groveling to Saddam’s “courage and indefatigability” then?

  44. Jim Murphy, general hypocrite NuLabour Friend of Israel and now seemingly ex-stooge of Bliar the warmonger to speak.

    Iraq war plan based on ‘primitive’ grasp of Islam, admits Labour frontbencher

    In a speech, shadow defence secretary will acknowledge shortcomings of Blair government’s approach

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/13/iraq-war-islam-labour?commentpage=1

    [..]
    In his speech to the Henry Jackson Society!!!, Murphy will commit…..

    Is the Guardian now openly doing PR for Nu NuLabour?

    What a shallow, opportunist and evil man.

    Vice-Chair (1997–2001) and Chair (2001–2002) of Labour Friends of Israel

    WikiLeaks

    In 2011, The Daily Telegraph published documents,[15] compiled by a senior US official at the US Embassy in London and published by WikiLeaks, it was revealed that throughout 2009, Jim Murphy was in charge of organising a coalition of Unionist parties whose aim was to “block an independence referendum” in Scotland. The documents state:[16] Throughout 2009, UK Secretary of State for Scotland Jim Murphy played a leadership role in organizing the opposition parties, hoping to move Scotland toward implementation of the Calman recommendations as an alternative to an independence referendum, according to Murphy’s advisors, Labour party insiders, and opposition party leaders. First Minister Salmond’s response to independence critics (such as Murphy) has been to accelerate the implementation of the Calman recommendations as soon as possible – “to call the bluff.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Murphy

  45. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 Feb, 2013 - 8:45 am

    Goood morning everyone, I’m back from a few days away and, refreshed, shall resume my quality-control and debate-stimulating functions as from today.

    Well, some of the contributions to this thread look depressingly familiar. After a brief read, my dummy-post prize must be awarded to the post from John Goss at 16h33 on 13 February :

    “Nuclear weapons are not what North Korea and Iran have in common. What they have in common is banking where the Rothschilds are not in total control. That’s why they are big prizes to the Zionist-owned Yanks.”

    Whereas it’s the case that Iran has no nuclear weapons at present, the rest of the post is egregiously silly.

    It implies that the Rothschilds are in total control of banking everywhere except in North Korea and Iran. Garbage.

    It seeems to suggest that North Korea has a banking sector worth taking over. Nonsense.

    It contends that the aim of US foreign policy is to advance the interests of Rothschilds. Paranoia.

    In addition, the post is a good illustration of how you can bring everything back to Zionism if you’ve a sufficiently large bee buzzing round in your bonnet.

    *******

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  46. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 Feb, 2013 - 8:53 am

    Personal question to our friend Karel : were you by any chance at the German Carnival the other day?

    Fairly big, beefy chap with a bit of a drinker’s face (flushed, broken veins round the nose); muttering and babbling away in English I think about becquerels and then switched to (?) tree-rings or something similar. Wearing one of those multi-coloured medieval court jester’s caps with little bells on it. Didn’t seem to be all there.

    Spotted in Duesseldorf this Monday afternoon – was it you?

    ******

    La vita è bella, life is good (especially at Carnival time)

  47. So Iran and North Korea come under control of the NWO.

    Then what? China will be under pressure to do what?

    How can we perceive China? How do the Chinese perceive China?

    What are the motives of the NWO?

    I would say it is driven by the markets and corporations, for planetary control and satisfy its need of expanding the system. With control of resources the ultimate reasoning.

    These corporations have the power to shape the world, we have the power to shape the corporations.

    In essence none but ourselves control us.

    Iran and North Korea?

  48. WikiLeaks is a rare truth-teller. Smearing Julian Assange is shameful

    WikiLeaks is a rare example of a newsgathering organisation that exposes the truth. Julian Assange is by no means alone.
    John Pilger Published 14 February 2013

    http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/02/wikileaks-rare-truth-teller-smearing-julian-assange-shameful

  49. In case you missed this which I posted during the hubbub the other day.

    Dozens of illustrations of headlines in the corporate media.

    Iraq, Iran, Redlines, and Headlines

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/02/iraq-iran-redlines-and-headlines/

  50. “That would’ve been before his groveling to Saddam’s “courage and indefatigability” then?”

    So which of the following groups of Galloway Haters do you belong to ?;

    Zionists and/or their Supporters, who hate Galloway because he bravely criticizes Israel’s many crimes, especially those committed against the Palestinians.

    Islamophobes, who hate Galloway for supporting the human rights of Muslims,everywhere.

    “You Hate the West” Trolls, who hate Galloway for repeatedly exposing the crimes & the hypocrisy that Western Countries have never ceased to commit against the developing World.

    “The Follow the MSM Lead” group, who mindlessly swallow all the lies & smears, and associated muck that the above three groups desperately throw in the hope that something will stick, at least in the empty minds of this last group.

    Don’t be embarrassed to admit if you fit into more than one of the above, but then again that’s being a bit superfluous, as holding the views that that you frequently express here, I guess you are a pretty shameless by nature type of person.

  51. Ths Aussies don’t appear to be much good at looking out for the welfare of their citizens abroad!

    ‘After being arrested in 2010 and held in virtual isolation, Zygier was found hanged in his cell, despite the fact it was equipped with state-of-the-art surveillance systems to prevent suicide, the ABC reported.

    His body was flown to Melbourne where he was buried in a Jewish cemetery.

    In Israel, questions are intensifying about the case.

    In a letter to the deputy attorney general, the Association for Civil Rights in Israel raised a number of key questions and asked that the scope of a gag order be further limited.

    “There is a strong public interest in the reasons behind the prisoner’s death, and answers to the following questions: Are we indeed talking about suicide? Was there negligence in the supervision of the prisoner?” it wrote.

    Nitzan Horowitz, an MP with the leftwing Meretz, said he had tried to help the anonymous prisoner in June 2010 and had been assured the situation was under control.’

    Australia knew of Ben Zygier’s jailing in early 2010, Bob Carr tells committee http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/foreign-affairs/australia-knew-of-ben-zygiers-jailing-in-early-2010-bob-carr-tells-committee/story-fn59nm2j-1226577707995

  52. Oh Great, the Hubby-Clown is black !

    It was just too good to last I guess.

  53. Hi Mary, 8.36am

    “WikiLeaks

    In 2011, The Daily Telegraph published documents,[15] compiled by a senior US official at the US Embassy in London and published by WikiLeaks, it was revealed…”

    Why not cut out the middle man?

    Cablegate’s cables: Full-text search everything
    http://cablegatesearch.net/

    An extremely useful research tool. You can search by keyword, country, classification status, embassy origin and date range, and view full publication history (ie. compare date/time of redacted versions by different media vs full unredacted cable), and full listings of Cablegate coverage by publication title worldwide.

  54. Uzbek in the UK

    14 Feb, 2013 - 9:50 am

  55. Resident Dissident,

    I believe it was the US that helped Saddam develop the chemical weapons he used on Iranian villages.

  56. “I believe it was the US that helped Saddam develop the chemical weapons he used on Iranian villages.”

    Hence the US seizure of the Iraqi WMD Report that the Iraqis were compelled to give to the UN just prior to be attacked, and then its much delayed release to the UN, with of course some sections missing altogether, & other sections heavily redacted.

  57. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 Feb, 2013 - 10:44 am

    Yes Macky the Mackerel, I’m back (I take it you were referring to me with that schoolyard distortion of my handle?).

    Unlike you and some others, I can exist for a few days away from this blog. You should try it sometime. The real world’s very good for you, you know.

    Re Galloway, another category, which you missed out, might be the people who consider Galloway to be a bit of a fraud. And yet another category is the people who think that MPs should spend a little more of their time in the House (yes, I know Galloway would say that the House is a sham and powerless….to which the answer is why did you stand).

    Anyuway, think about it and happy obsessing!

    ******

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  58. Lieberman – he’s the guy who threatened to nuke Gaza.

    He also threatened to bomb the Aswan Dam – which would kill millions of people – in response to Egyptian support for Yasser Arafat.

  59. I know were you’ve been. No wonder our beef is contaminated, but does Habbly Bubbly not look remarkably like Berlusconi, the liar, Mafiosi and EU garbage man?

    http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/photo-gallery-germany-goes-crazy-at-rose-monday-parades-fotostrecke-93062-3.html

  60. The good news. Helen Boaden Head of (Israeli) News at the BBC is moved to Head of Radio.

    James Purnell has got himself the job of Head of Strategy and Digital. That will make a change from propping up Bliar and his current endeavours. They always land on their feet.

    James Mark Dakin Purnell (born 2 March 1970) is a British Labour Party politician, who was the Member of Parliament (MP) for Stalybridge and Hyde from 2001 to 2010. He is currently the Chair of Trustees of the Institute for Public Policy Research [1] and a Senior Advisor in the Public Sector practice of the Boston Consulting Group.[2] He has previously served in the Cabinet as Secretary of State for Work and Pensions and Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport; he resigned from the Government on 4 June 2009, criticising the leadership of Gordon Brown. He returned to the BBC in a senior management position in 2013.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Purnell

  61. “I take it you were referring to me”

    Yep, but if you prefer Habbabkuk the Clown, but’s also fine, but note the suffix is totally valid as justified by your posting history here.

    “be the people who consider Galloway to be a bit of a fraud”,

    Ah yes, those who cannot offer any rational, &/or non-hypocritical, let alone, evidence based, justification for this “opinion” .

    “should spend a little more of their time in the House”

    Oh yes that classis smear; the facts are that GG attends the HOC almost everyday, more than most , and probably more than any other MP (yes he’s been known to spend parts of X-mas days there). This is a very snide smear as it’s based on the Parliamentary system of recording “”Attendances”, which is limited by being based only on voting in divisions;
    “ An MP may have a low attendance because they have abstained, have ministerial or other duties or they are the speaker. Perhaps they consider each division carefully, and only vote when they know about the subject. Lords are appointed for life, so they may have decided to retire. Sinn Féin MPs, because they haven’t taken the oath of allegiance, are unable to vote. A full list of reasons for low attendance can be found in the Divisions section on page 11 of a House of Commons library research paper. Note also that the Public Whip does not currently record if a member spoke in the debate but did not vote.
    Extra note, October 2008: We have found that people take the attendance in divisions too seriously, when it is really pretty meaningless. At Public Whip, we’d rather an MP actually scrutinised law and made it better, and voted well on it, rather than voted more often. Therefore we have removed attendance from the main MP table. “
    http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/faq.php#clarify

    So note that his actual everyday attendance is to undertake real parliamentary work, as opposed to the Parliamentary defined “attendance”, which is really ”pretty meaningless”, rather a lot like most of your Posts here.

  62. More on Purnell 11.43am above

    I see the names of Netanyahu and Romney in this list!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notable_employees_of_Boston_Consulting_Group

    Apart from Purnell benefitting from the second homes fiddle (see Wiki), he did quite well for himself outside Parliament. His register of interests includes three trips to Israel with Labour Friends of Israel of which he was Chair.

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=11176

  63. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 Feb, 2013 - 12:14 pm

    Hi again, Mucky Macky, good that you’re engaging.

    I note what you say about the way the HoC records attendances and agree that this might well not do justice to the amount of time an MP sepnds at Parliament.

    You claim that Galloway attend the House almost every day. What’s your source for that?

    ******

    La vita è bella, life is good (even with Mucky) !

  64. Quote: “There is no linkage between the governments of Iran and North Korea; both regimes are highly unpleasant in many ways, but they have utterly conflicting ideologies and absolutely zero history of political collaboration.”
    This maybe all very true but before we continue pointing the figure at others, I thing we need take a look at our own very unpleasant regime. We need to get our own house in order first please!

  65. Re statues Mary, this is the biggest joke for some time.

    Basildon Conservatives are confident that erecting a statue to Margaret Thatcher, which only found the attention of a be-header in London, will improve the Craylands estate enormously. residents there say that they only too happy to ‘look after’ this marble statue, not. This from the Basildon echo.

    echo-news.co.uk/news/local_news/basildon/9867895.We_feel_like_we_are_left_in_limbo_say_Craylands_residents/?ref=rss

    Why?, because she was ultimately responsible for the hundreds of thousands of repossessions of bought council houses, ensuring that they ended up in the hands of the building societies, banks and private Rachmans, her kind of people.

    She was another magicians, just as Elisha, managing to sell us what we already owned. She squandered 4 billion coal board money instead of investing it into a burgeoning alternative energy industry and making Britain number one in those engineering sectors now done by others. She condemned the miners to drug addiction and hurt, instead of using their hard working communities and already in place, established engineering facilities to build wind turbines, sea current generators, tidal power,etc. No, she gave the money to the nuclear industry, squandered it on the plutonium cycle.

    I shall give the statue 48 hours, max., anywhere in Basildon and I offer my services to re-attach her head, or replace the inscription and her head with that of Marie Curie.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9862366/Basildon-offers-Margaret-Thatcher-statue-a-new-home.html

  66. @ Mary. Just found this event advertised in my email inbox, would that be down your street? Its the first screening in Britain.

    Just thought I flag it up

    http://duma.eventbrite.co.uk/

  67. doug scorgie

    14 Feb, 2013 - 1:02 pm

    Israeli tanks and bulldozers have reportedly entered the town of Beit Lahia in the northern Gaza Strip, opening fire near farmers.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/02/14/288928/israeli-tanks-enter-northern-gaza/

  68. “good that you’re engaging”

    Only because your troll “questions” give me an opportunity to illustrate that these smears are exactly baseless slurs.

    “You claim that Galloway attend the House almost every day. What’s your source for that?”

    Well no point looking for official confirmation;

    “Thank you for your request. The information about MPs’ attendance and absence is not held by the House of Commons. The dates when the House sat are available here: http://www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/hous… .

    Members of Parliament are not obliged by parliamentary rules to attend the House at any time. Political parties may make demands of their MPs, but that is a matter for them. Therefore no records are kept of an MP’s attendance at Parliament; however you may be able to look at an MP’s voting records to ascertain their attendance in the chamber, although this may give you a distorted picture of their attendance as they may be present in the chamber and decide not to vote (abstentions are not recorded in Hansard). Likewise, the transcript of debates in the House, known as Hansard, records only those Members who speak. This is available on the parliamentary website and is searchable by MP. http://www.parliament.uk/business/public… »

    http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/attendance_of_m_p_s_records

    Instead we are forced to take Galloway’s frequent public statements that he does attend almost on a daily basis at face value, bearing in mind that there has been a history of attempts & dirty tricks to catch him out on anything, including even the deliberate planting of forged documents in Iraq, so I’m certain that vested interests have indeed examined this matter, and found much to their bitter disappointment that it is indeed true; but if you think there is a chance of proving that he is lying, you can claim your 15 minutes of fame, simply by loitering by the HOC entrance everyday & checking how often he goes in.

  69. LOL about Thatcher. You are a stonemason I seem to remember.
    http://www.sideshowillusions.com/the-headless-lady.html

    Thanks for the heads up but going up to London is a bit of a drag now, and expensive. It used to cost under a tenner using a Railcard until recently but is now well over £20.

  70. The b***h omits mention of Cast Lead, Mavi Marmara and numerous other injustices committed by the Israelis, nor the Murdoch hacking scandal nor the BBC Savile cover up and only describes the wars on Iraq and Afghanistan as ‘conflicts’. No reference to Dr Kelly’s death either.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/feb/14/helen-boaden-memo-bbc-news

    25 years in her powerful position to propagate the state’s messages. Pity it was not a total sacking. Instead she gets control of radio.

    Patten is an establishment stooge as I have said before.

  71. Thanks Mary for posting a link to the John Pilger article on Julian Assange. For those who sleep in I am re-posting it.

    http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/02/wikileaks-rare-truth-teller-smearing-julian-assange-shameful

  72. I wonder what these two Saudi princes want to keep covered up? It looks big, whatever it is:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2013/feb/13/saudi-princes-warn-uk-relations

  73. Galloway might attend parliament every day but he doesn’t seem to do much whilst he’s there. Four debates and 15% of votes, well below average.

    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/george_galloway/bradford_west

  74. “Galloway might attend parliament every day but he doesn’t seem to do much whilst he’s there. Four debates and 15% of votes, well below average.”

    Please re-read my Posts to the Habbabkuk Clown, especially the one that contains;

    “We have found that people take the attendance in divisions too seriously, when it is really pretty meaningless.”

    Even Habbabkuk Clown gets it, so are you really more of a troll than he is ?!

  75. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 Feb, 2013 - 4:59 pm

    I consider myself to be the intellectually most honest commenter on this blog and also the most open-minded and least ‘politically correct’. Only fools anjd knaves would contest this.

    Therefore, I have to say ‘ hang on a moment, be fair’ to Kempe re his comment about Galloway. As Macky could have pointed out (but wasn’t intelligent enough to), an MP can keep busy in many other ways in the HoC other than by attending debates and voting. It might even be argues that, in most cases, those other activities are more useful than the often sterile process of participating in votes which the government knows in advance it will not lose or of mlaking speeches in debates which will not change a single other member’s opinion or vote.

    Having said that, a further question to Murky : am I reading you correctly when I think you say that the only source for the notion that Galloway attends the HoC almost every day is Galloway himself? In other words, we just have to take his word for it?

    ******

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  76. Thanks for the Grauniad shotgun piece on Saudi princes shooting and our Government cowering, not for the first time on this blog, Clark. Now they are atb it again.

    First there was Adnan Kashogi and his Al yamani deal which spooked Thatcher and then the BAE corruption affair, going back all the way to the 1970′s, which, after threats and brow beating, was dropped byu our courts.

    Some call it blackmail and just as corruption, we are partial to it.

    ‘Triumph of the Will’

  77. “I consider myself to be the intellectually most honest commenter on this blog and also the most open-minded and least ‘politically correct’.”

    Now your are really clowning about ! You are certainly the most immodest, but also with the most to be modest about.

    “As Macky could have pointed out”

    Sorry but Macky assumes that people who have enough brain cells to post messages here, also have brain cells enough to realise that MPs do other things apart from voting.

    “In other words, we just have to take his word for it?”

    No, re-read my last Post; you can personally monitor his attendance, or you can take the rational view that because he keeps stating that he does, he would be a very quickly found-out fool, if he was lying; with so many trying to trip him up, he would be taking a career ending suicidal risk in blatantly lying for something that can be verifield by those so inclined with the time & means.

    You are beggining to bore me now with your fake troll stupidity.

  78. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 Feb, 2013 - 5:47 pm

    @ Macky : so, behind all your bluster, insults and obfuscation, you are in fact confirming we must take his word for it. Fine, it’s a point of view, but you must, always, try to be……honest.

    Ps – distorting my handle in schoolboy manner is, I’ve come to realise, your way of showing me affection. I should of course like to reciprocate, so please advise me whether you’d prefer “Mucky” or “Murky”.

    ******

    La vita è bella, life’s good (even when murky or mucky)!

  79. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 Feb, 2013 - 6:50 pm

    @ Macky (again) :

    I was most certainly not clowning about. The things I have to be modest about (there might be one or two) are not relevant to my activities on this blog. And while it may be true that I am immodest, this is a small price to pay for my many virtues (still in terms of commenting on this blog).

    No, I do feel that my intellectual firepower, fearlessness and refusal to submit to received wisdom has already brought about a certain qualitative improvement in the discourse on this blog. But of course there’s still a way to go and I look forward to contributing further to further improvement.

    **********

    La vita è bella, life is good (this is lesson n° 1)!

  80. Jesus,Habacake-reading down these posts simply reveals your stand-out contributions as repetitive and boring. Were you in Germany for the Britten Centenary or the Wagner Bicentenary? Or just a common or biergarten carnival.

  81. doug scorgie

    14 Feb, 2013 - 8:09 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
    14 Feb, 2013 – 10:44 am

    “Unlike you and some others, I can exist for a few days away from this blog. You should try it sometime. The real world’s very good for you, you know.”

    “Re Galloway, another category, which you missed out, might be the people who consider Galloway to be a bit of a fraud.”

    Habbabkuk, why do you think Galloway is a bit of a fraud? Please elaborate.

    “And yet another category is the people who think that MPs should spend a little more of their time in the House.”

    Perhaps he spends more time within his constituency “the real world’s very good for you, you know.”

  82. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 Feb, 2013 - 8:35 pm

    @ Doug Scorgie :

    there are several reasons why some people (note that I said “some people”, I didn’t say “I” – you really must develop your close reading skills!)find him a bit of a fraud.

    If I were one of those people, the reason I would offer you – the simplest reason, and therefore the one that you would have the most chance of understanding – would be : “because people like you and the other Eminences support him”.

    Re spending time in the HoC or not, I think that Macky has already assured us that George attends the House almost every day (close reading skills, again!); on George’s say so, of course.

    *****

    La vita è bella, life is good (even if you hate to admit it) !

  83. doug scorgie

    14 Feb, 2013 - 8:59 pm

    Habbabkuk

    “I consider myself to be the intellectually most honest commenter on this blog and also the most open-minded and least ‘politically correct’. Only fools anjd knaves would contest this.”

    I contest that, so I must be a fool or a knave.

    Where are the links to those biographies and diaries you mentioned a while back to back up your assertion that political parties have been using behavioural psychologists to promote their agendas for the last 20 years?

    You cannot furnish me with the information because you made it up.

    You are not “[the] most honest commenter on this blog…”

    You are a liar and possibly the most narrow-minded commenter here.

    But then, you have an agenda don’t you?

  84. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 Feb, 2013 - 9:06 pm

    @ Doug :

    close reading required – again!

    My original post said “Only fools and knaves would contest this”

    Not “fools or knaves”.

    So if – as you say – you contest my claim, you are a fool AND a knave.

    ******

    You’re very keen on claiming I have an “agenda”. An easy slur to chuck around and it sounds suitably dastardly, doesn’t it. What’s my agenda, Dougie?

  85. Habitual Babbler Kuku,

    ” I consider myself to be the intellectually most honest commenter on this blog and also the most open-minded and least ‘politically correct’. Only fools anjd knaves would contest this.”

    We did a little survey here while you were away:

    The bad news: You are perceived as a megalomaniac across the board. Reconfirmed by your “I consider myself to be the intellectually most honest commenter on this blog” and earlier claims of “intellectual firepower”, “quality control”, etc.

    The good news: Yes we all agree life is good, even for an empty vessel making a lot of noise!

    The consensus: “The real world’s very good for you, you know” and that you should be given an immediate and indefinite sabbatical from this blog.

  86. Sorry, that should read “tactless” megalomaniac. Very important nuance. Good night!

  87. @Villager,

    I saw your post on the other thread; will digest & respond in a day or two.

    I remember you were interested in the dire state of the US prison system, so maybe you will find this interesting;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t12LcsshpAE&feature=player_embedded

  88. Kempe, you are aware, are you not, of the context in which Galloway made the remarks directed at Saddam?

    Are you also aware of the subject of Rumsfelds discussions with the now deceased Butcher of Baghdad?

    I suspect you are a troll.

  89. BrianFujisan

    15 Feb, 2013 - 3:31 am

    The Evil Rise Again

    NEW YORK – USA – In a remarkable admission by former Nixon era Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, reveals what is happening at the moment in the world and particularly the Middle East. [ACCURATE SATIRE]

    Speaking from his luxurious Manhattan apartment, the elder statesman, who will be 89 in May, is all too forward with his analysis of the current situation in the world forum of Geo-politics and economics.

    “The United States is bating China and Russia, and the final nail in the coffin will be Iran, which is, of course, the main target of Israel. We have allowed China to increase their military strength and Russia to recover from Sovietization, to give them a false sense of bravado, this will create an all together faster demise for them. We’re like the sharp shooter daring the noob to pick up the gun, and when they try, it’s bang bang. The coming war will will be so severe that only one superpower can win, and that’s us folks. This is why the EU is in such a hurry to form a complete superstate because they know what is coming, and to survive, Europe will have to be one whole cohesive state. Their urgency tells me that they know full well that the big showdown is upon us. O how I have dreamed of this delightful moment.”

    “Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control the people.”

    Mr Kissinger then added: “If you are an ordinary person, then you can prepare yourself for war by moving to the countryside and building a farm, but you must take guns with you, as the hordes of starving will be roaming. Also, even though the elite will have their safe havens and specialist shelters, they must be just as careful during the war as the ordinary civilians, because their shelters can still be compromised.”

    After pausing for a few minutes to collect his thoughts, Mr Kissinger, carried on:

    “We told the military that we would have to take over seven Middle Eastern countries for their resources and they have nearly completed their job. We all know what I think of the military, but I have to say they have obeyed orders superfluously this time. It is just that last stepping stone, i.e. Iran which will really tip the balance. How long can China and Russia stand by and watch America clean up? The great Russian bear and Chinese sickle will be roused from their slumber and this is when Israel will have to fight with all its might and weapons to kill as many Arabs as it can. Hopefully if all goes well, half the Middle East will be Israeli. Our young have been trained well for the last decade or so on combat console games, it was interesting to see the new Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 game, which mirrors exactly what is to come in the near future with its predictive programming. Our young, in the US and West, are prepared because they have been programmed to be good soldiers, cannon fodder, and when they will be ordered to go out into the streets and fight those crazy Chins and Russkies, they will obey their orders. Out of the ashes we shall build a new society, there will only be one superpower left, and that one will be the global government that wins. Don’t forget, the United States, has the best weapons, we have stuff that no other nation has, and we will introduce those weapons to the world when the time is right.”

  90. Good reflinks in that article at the The Daily Squib couk ,including this Anonymous art: War

    And thank heavens for the bright spark at The Newstatesman.

  91. Whistleblower talks about when the Bush admin determined it would attack 7 countries:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyEJ6Aja-UQ

  92. Death knell sounds for the BBC, about bloody time too, it’s long been unfit for purpose.

    Sorry to hear that Boaden has been inflicted on BBC Radio. Sad too that James Purnell has joined the BBC, as his legacy at the DWP: ESA, comes totally unravelled after 5 years of chaos, costs and misery inflicted on the vulnerable and sick. It just shows that the recipe for success in this society is a wide streak of cruelty, twisted ideology and incompetence.

    It is as well that the TV license is an unenforcable voluntary subscription.

  93. I had hoped for Purnell to have committed suicide by now. Scum it seems rises to the top.

  94. Villager, Macky and Doug Scorgie. It would obviously be sensible for me to stay out of this but I totally agree with what you are saying. You will get my drift.

    Wrongly, I did think we were free of it.

  95. doug scorgie

    15 Feb, 2013 - 9:52 am

    Habbabkuk

    I asked you: Why do you think Galloway is a bit of a fraud? Please elaborate.

    You replied:

    “If I were one of those people, the reason I would offer you… would be “because people like you and the other Eminences support him”.

    So because people like me support him that’s all the evidence you need to consider Galloway a fraud?

    What an idiot you are.

  96. North Korea appears to be upgrading one of its two rocket launch sites, US experts say, perhaps in a move to test bigger rockets.

    Activities around the new launch pad also revealed possible EVIDENCE OF ASSISTANCE FROM IRAN,

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21468893

  97. Dunt Dunt DAHHH!

  98. Habbabkuk, CE and Kempe – the Axis of Stupidity. Always trolling but rarely, all together, on the same thread.

  99. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    15 Feb, 2013 - 2:59 pm

    What would be the collective noun for the Eminences on this blog (Villager, Nevermind, Doug Scorgie et al?

    How about “An Egregiousness of Eminences”?

    Re who posts where, well, I have noticed that the individual who gets corrected or reproached rarely answers himself – it’s usually one of his fellow Eminences. Villager defends Nevermind, who in turn leaps to the defence of Doug Scorgie. Which leads one to suspect the presence of a pack. I, on the other hand, am capable of answering for myself.

  100. I answer stupid questions put to intresting commenters, because i want them to keep on their topic and not mess about with the stupid little ruses that you emit Habbabkuk. Aye and youll even make little complaints about that.

  101. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    15 Feb, 2013 - 9:06 pm

    @ ThatCrab – sorry I overlooked you, of course you’re also a member of the Egregiousness of Eminences. And I do admire your spirit of collegiality and self-sacrifice : it can’t be easy for you to keep intervening on behalf of fellow Eminences and getting owned for your pains.

    Speaking of stupid little ruses, ThatCrab : give me just one example of a comment from me which has been refuted by reasoned argument and facts, as opposed to low abuse, juvenile name-calling and silly smears (eg, Zionist, man with an agenda…etc).

    ********

    La vita è bella, life is good ! (even for a boiled-alive crab)

  102. Habbabkuk, don’t get phobic. Don’t also forget that the “Eminences” is a figment of your imagination and you have conjured this up in self defence after multiple-attacks on your stalking/superintendent/brusque/tactless/self-righteous style. If you really had the intellect you claim, you would’ve “got it” by now. You have been counselled repeatedly by a variety of people with many appeals sincerely meant to little effect.

    Btw, i have never come in Nevermind’s defence–in fact i have hardly ever engaged with him; far more with you.

    I recall you and i made our (surprising even to me) peace. And the next day you started referring to me derogatorily as the Eminences.

    I have even wondered if you have Asperger’s Syndrome or something akin, a subject i have some experience with. I don’t care for labels, but people with AS struggle socially in reading other people particularly when they are needling others, and don’t know where to stop. If you are at all aware you have some such characteristic, i/others too, i imagine, can be more understanding.

    By the way, at least you are honest, you claim to have intellect, and make no claim to intelligence. I ask you, in your perspective, what is the difference?

  103. resident dissident

    16 Feb, 2013 - 12:01 am

    Beelzebub
    I fear it may be a sickness or loneliness of Eminences if Villager is anything to go by – having diagnosed me as bi-polar he has now assigned Asperger’s Syndrome to yourself. Perhaps one of the other Eminences should tell him that such behaviour if not particularly nice (especially given our host’s very honest writings on the subject) and that no serious person would attempt diagnosing such conditions by postings on a blog. He probably wouldn’t behave in such a manner to anyone he met in public – and all I can diagnose is a case of attention seeking possibly brought on by a lack of regular human contact.

    Just imagine the reaction if you and I were to trade in similar insults – I rather doubt that we would be met by a quiet embarassed shuffling of feet. One piece of advice I would give Villager is think about what the sigh means in that rather good poem he posted by Robert Frost.

  104. resident dissident

    16 Feb, 2013 - 12:10 am

    As for Galloway being present on the anti Saddam rallies etc. etc. when he was gassing the Kurds and Iranians – that isn’t what Ann Clwyd who led the campaign against Saddam at the time said – is it? And doesn’t being aware of that behaviour actually make his subsequent fawning even worse – “lets pop along to Tariq’s for Xmas, it’ll be a gas”

    The man’s political philosophy is now fundamentally Baathist – and we all know how close that movement’s founders were to a certain right wing gentleman. I’m afraid the MP for Blackburn West is a sort of modern day Oswald Moseley.

  105. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    16 Feb, 2013 - 8:33 am

    @ Resident Dissident :

    well, Villager’s just playing around, don’t you think? All part of the rough and tumble of this blog! I feel totally uncrushed and having studied the question have come to the conclusion that Mr Asperger and I are unconnected. :)

  106. Les Piss, you really have something of the night about you, rather like your avatar. You are truly such a dummy. You address Habbabkuk as Beelzebub hoping to endear him on to your ‘side’! You obviously haven’t understood him for a second. Habbabkuk is a free spirit–he is nobody’s man except himself. Remember what Groucho Marx said: I don’t want to join a club that wants me as a member.

    He also said referring to the door bell by the garbage-man: Tell him we don’t want any today.

    Habby is twice as smart as you–i read every word he says, even if my gripe sometimes his style. Whereas you, you write garbage that nobody bothers with.

    Wrt to ‘embarrassment’ when you started hugging me and blowing me kisses here, i could only think that you had either lost your marbles or your wife or both. I can completely understand why she’d walk out on you and i can also completely understand if you were bi-polar.

    When you’re strange, no one remembers your name… Check it out–it may open a door to understanding…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZN4qLSwS5U

  107. @@ Resident Dissident

    There’s a special extra hot place in Hell for the likes of Ann Clwyd, because like Colin Powell, she helped facilitate the Crime against Humanity that is the catastrophe that befell Iraq & its people; her hysterical & demented self-righteousness lead her to shrieking non-stop about “human shredding machines”, which was a demonizing lie to match Blair’s “45 minutes” & Bush’s “WMDs” & “al qaida links”

    I rather take Tam Dalyell’s word that his recollection is that the only MP he can remember turning up to protests against Saddam back in the 1980’s was George Galloway.

    I’ve also posted this before, but make no apology for reposting;

    Letter in Independent Saturday May 21, 2005.

    MR GALLOWAY I SALUTE YOU

    Sir: The last time I met George Galloway, around the time of his expulsion from the Labour Party, he told me: “Tell your New Labour editor to stick his questions up his arse.” So I think it’s fair to say I don’t particularly owe him anything. But I will say this: I recall, as a young news agency reporter in, I think, 1989 or 1990, reporting on the unveiling of a memorial in a Glasgow park to Kurds massacred by Saddam Hussein’s forces. The main speaker at the event passionately condemned Saddam and his treatment of the Kurds, which at that time had received very little publicity. That speaker was George Galloway. He was the only politician there. And not a single newspaper, in Scotland or further afield, used the copy. And it was quite good copy, even though I say so myself.
    RAYMOND HAINEY

    Now that you have resurfaced, are you finally going to answer the question put to you many times now; if in the same situation as Assange, ie real risk of being shipped to a decades long stay at a US hell hole prison, if it were possible would you not also seek to avoid this by seeking sanctuary/asylum /guarantees against US extradition?

  108. @Villager, just posted something for you on the other thread.

  109. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella)

    16 Feb, 2013 - 8:50 pm

    @ Villager :

    Be fair, Resident Dissident only addressed me as Beelzebub because that’s how I described myself once (in jocular fashion); but it was on a older thread, so you probably don’t recall it.

    Here’s another jocular comment (well, it is the weekend, after all) : are your flattering words designed to make Resident Dissident think we’re in an adulterous relationship, with the objective of getting him to divorce me?

    *******

    La vita è bella, life is good! (devilishly good)

  110. Habbabkuk, thank you for explaining the history behind his flirtation with you. Yes that falls in the pre-Eminence period ;-)
    I’m into Freedom and Beauty myself, and given your other past declaration about your leanings (no, i don’t mean catholic), I know you can resist the overture. I also know that if she were beautiful, you would’ve fallen like a sucker.

    On the matter of flattery, actually I did want to acknowledge, on behalf of the Eminences of course, your contribution by identifying the missing wiki-link on Daniel Bethlehem. The operative word is ‘objective’, you understand very well. But the operative action is ‘relationship’, i.e. tact.

    Let’s have a week as light as its’ end shall we? And let the devils try to organise the truth.

  111. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella)

    17 Feb, 2013 - 1:22 am

    @ Villager : I positively refuse to let you charm me into behaving! :)

  112. Never say never, Habbabkuk. I know you can’t help yourself, but being aware is half the battle won.

    Time for a cappuccino, molto schiuma (pronounced scuma). You can translate that for Res Diss if required. Oh well its not such a strong word in the end is it?

    Have a good Sunday!

  113. resident dissident

    17 Feb, 2013 - 2:40 pm

    Habba

    No need to translate for me – I’ve always seen his Eminence as molta schiuma. Sometimes, he really does need to get in touch with his feminine side.

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