The Starbucks View of Al-Qaida

by craig on February 25, 2013 9:43 am in Uncategorized

The United States has set up its first Sahelian drone base, in Niger, in order to carry on the war against “Al-Qaedah in the Islamic Maghreb”. The problem is that there is no such thing as “Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb”. The US seems to confuse Al-Qaeda with Starbucks. Al-Qaeda does not have branches everywhere, a highly organised supply chain, and transfer pricing.

It is true that long standing ethnic militias in the Maghreb have adopted the styles and terminology of radical Islam, and have tenuous and occasional links with other radical islamic leaderships. But their income and supplies come from unrelated activities – chiefly extortion and smuggling – which have been going on since before al-Qaeda existed. These groups are disparate. There is no connection between the group which took western oil workers hostage in Algeria, and the Tuareg based militias who contolled Timbuktu. Indeed the Mali islamists had a close and cooperative relationship with the Algerian security services, and in their desert wanderings before the disintegration of central authority in Mali, were frequently refuelled and resupplied inside Algeria from government depots.

As usual in Africa, the base of these problems is poverty and competition for scarce resources between competing groups, all complicated by the legacy of colonialism. Hatred of the United States has not been a strong motivator in the Maghreb. But now the United States is about to introduce the concept of weekly drone kills and collateral murders, it will be. The USA is going to create the kind of anti-American unity which does not exist at present, and yet it claims to be fighting. Which will, of course, please the politicians’ paymasters in the arms and security industries just fine.

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  1. Debbie(aussie)

    25 Feb, 2013 - 10:06 am

    Greed, says it all really. Why can’t the rich and powerful get rich and powerful doing good; lifting the poor, saving lives etc. why must it be through death and mayhem?

  2. Excellent take as ever.

  3. In fact, AQIM does exist, and has existed for some time, it’s just quite new to Mali. The organisation was formed by primarily Algerian and Libyan bandits like Mr. Malboro, a.k.a. Mokhtar ben Mokhtar, and is actually more like a franchise operation than you’d think; it is an Islamist criminal organisation with very deep roots in Algeria, reaching back to the wars against French occupation. Its leaders, allegiances and operational history pre-date Al-Quaeda by some decades, if one counts the two different insurgent groups which merged to create AQIM. It is only ‘Al-Quaeda’ in the sense that they have adopted the brand identity of AQ as a recruiting and fund-raising tactic; there is limited to no evidence of AQ in other places having much of a hand in creating or even instructing AQ in the Maghreb. It is also a rival or enemy of, rather than an ally of, the pre-existing Tuareg independence movement which AQ hi-jacked a few years ago (after, admittedly, a brief alliance of convenience which went very badly for the local rebels).

    If you want a very good, close view on the subject that has a longer memory than current world focus on Mali, read the archives at Bridges from Bamako, which covers both the Malian military coup and the northern rebellions in detail at various points.

  4. … Which, I’ve just realised, Craig does cover in the article, I just mis-read it the first time round. Mea culpa :)

  5. Who believes that the drones are for surveillance?

    US drone base for Niger: report
    Submitted by WW4 Report on Wed, 01/30/2013 – 00:20North Africa Theater
    Tags
    al-Qaeda
    AQIM
    Burkina Faso
    drones
    Mali
    Niger
    Sahel
    uranium

    The US military is preparing to establish a drone base in “northwest Africa”—likely be located in Niger along the eastern border of Mali, where French forces are currently waging a campaign against jihadist rebels, anonymous officials told the New York Times Jan. 28. The base would supposedly facilitate intelligence gathering by unarmed surveillance drones on al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) and related militant networks. If the plan is approved, up to 300 US military personnel and contractors could be sent to staff the base.

    /..
    http://www.ww4report.com/node/11933

    Also saw this. I thought the US was broke.

    US Marines to Morocco for “African Lion” exercise
    Submitted by WW4 Report on Sat, 02/23/2013

    Under an agreement signed Jan. 30 in the port of Agadir, 1,400 US Marines and 900 Moroccan soldiers will join in April on the North African country’s Atlantic coast for a training exercise dubbed “African Lion.” The joint forces will land more than 200 vehicles at Agadir and advance with weapons and equipment 300 kilometers before returning to the starting point where they will disassemble the equipment for re-embarkation within 24 hours. The forces will deploy long-range missiles that can reach targets more than 60 kilometers away accurately—a first for an exercise involving Morocco.
    http://www.ww4report.com/node/12016

  6. “The USA is going to create the kind of anti-American unity which does not exist at present, and yet it claims to be fighting”

    But this is deliberate.

    The US (and UK) rulers, corporations and politicians, are not stupid.

    They can see as well as us what is happening around the world.
    They know that the only Salafist, Wahhabi, state is Saudi Arabia, which is also the main (only?) source of finance for the Salafists.
    Salafists are the Jihadists.
    The US and UK are staunch supporters of S Arabia.
    The US and UK are the main supplier of arms to S Arabia.
    The US and UK knew that supporting the Jihadist to drive the Soviet Union from Afghanistan and getting S Arabia to finance and create the Madrasas (the origin of Taliban), and ISI, the Pakistani Intelligence, which played a major role in the creation and sustenance of the Taliban, was going to create a strong and lasting fundamentalist Muslim organisation of Jihadists.
    The US and UK know as well as we do that their current approach to “Terrorism” is converting more Muslims to the Jihadist point of view.

    Salafists are mortal enemies of Shias.
    The main force fighting against the Salafists within the Muslim world are the Shias and Iran is the most powerful Shia country.
    The US and UK and Israel are doing all they can to weaken Iran.

    So, the only conclusion we can draw is that the US, UK and Israel and probably the rest of the West, want the Salafists to gain strength. This would suggest that there is a conscious decision to maintain a force in the world that will justify the perpetual war that is absolutely essential to sustain the current form of Capitalism. This will also explain why the there is such a fierce drive to make sure that the public in the West is firmly contained by the use of methods that the Western countries are employing to prevent any protest.

  7. America just wants drone bases in every corner of the world so they can control their empire and wipe out anyone that doesn’t want to conform to their perverted ideologies.

    See this and be afraid:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drone_strikes_in_Pakistan

    Then see this and be very afraid:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5YkQ9w3PJ4&feature=player_embedded

  8. Cardinal O’Brien has just resigned with immediate effect.

  9. What are Kerry and Cameron cooking up at No 10 today? Kerry will meet the boy wonder Hague later.

  10. Fred, 25 Feb, 10:49 am. The list of drone attacks you link to is indeed terrifying. The word “compound” occurs over fifty times in that list. How many of the so-called “compounds” were in fact just people’s homes?

    “Taliban Compounds” and the Great Gladstone

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/04/the_goebbels_te/

  11. Value plus, according to your logic the greatest supporters for Al Quaeda are also the one’s we should be fighting.
    So are we now rightfully allowed to go to/be at war with the supporters of Saudi and Quatari Al Quaeda supporters?

    This today, the last sentence from my MP Richard Bacon to my questions regards to our effort in Mali.

    ” The deployment of our brave armed forces is incredibly serious and I can assure you that I will be following developments very closely. However, I do believe that this action is right and will help the Malian authorities establish control and be a key contribution to the overall African effort to bring peace and stability to Mali and the region.”

    Very depressingly it makes it clear that they are talking of ‘Mali and the region’, which was exactly my point from the start. Mali will be base for many a lift off and the drone base will be followed by others.

    R.Bacon MP was pained to let me know that we are not there to fight and that we are not alone in this and that Canada and Denmark have confirmed their support and that discussions with our EU partners, (all in a sudden they are partners again) are ongoing.

    two faced gits

  12. It is self-evident to most reasonable people that killing children with drones, waterboarding, rendering, invading and bombing, blowing up wedding parties and just about every other tactic of the War on Terror simply adds fuel to the fire and creates more terrorism. They’ve been doing it for ten years now and I’m pretty sure they are not stupid. Therefore I have to assume that fomenting anti-American hatred must be the intended outcome. Or is there another explanation?

  13. By the way, this really made me laugh:

    ‘The US seems to confuse Al-Qaeda with Starbucks. Al-Qaeda does not have branches everywhere, a highly organised supply chain, and transfer pricing.’

  14. Drones – don’t you just love them? Within a few years it will be possible to police the whole planet from an underground bunker. No problem there, nothing to worry about at all.

  15. ‘Listen David, we have batted no eyelid with Murdoch and Co trying to drill for oil on the occupied Golan, so, should we get asked to back up an Argentinian prospecting team wanting to drill for oil in the Falklands, we have to ensure some parity, blah sovereign rights blah blah’

    But Messrs Kerry and Cameron will eventually emerge smiling, delivering spin all over our news shite MSM.

    My other letter was on Julian Assange and policing costs versus accountability. here is what Richard Bacon MP said in his last paragraph.

    ” Under our law, with Mr. Assange having exhausted all options of appeal, the British authorities are under a binding obligation to extradite him to Sweden. We must carry out that obligation and the Government fully intends to do so. The Government will not allow Mr. Assange safe passage out of the UK, nor is there any legal basis for them to do so. No one should be in any doubt that the Government is determined to carry out its legal obligations to see Mr. Assange extradited to Sweden. he faces serious charges in a country with the highest standards of law and where his rights are guaranteed.”

    He is a political refugee now, who, despite being given asylum, has no prospect of the Tory’s changing their tune or expenditure.

    I think President Correa should visit London and make Julian an honourable ambassador, and then take him to Ecuador.

  16. KingofWelshNoir, there is no other explanation. The logic is almost mathematical. I don’t think any other conclusion is possible.

  17. “It is self-evident to most reasonable people that killing children with drones, waterboarding, rendering, invading and bombing, blowing up wedding parties and just about every other tactic of the War on Terror simply adds fuel to the fire and creates more terrorism. They’ve been doing it for ten years now and I’m pretty sure they are not stupid. Therefore I have to assume that fomenting anti-American hatred must be the intended outcome. Or is there another explanation?”

    Yes, the obvious one, to make the American ruling elite the world ruling elite, total world domination, they haven’t exactly tried to keep it a secret.

    So what if half the world does hates them? They don’t care, they didn’t worry too much about the Native American hating them they just wiped them out while feeding everyone a load of propaganda about them being the bad guys, savages.

  18. Jonangus Mackay

    25 Feb, 2013 - 1:02 pm

    Simplistic. Crazy. Even The Economist pushes ‘War on Terror’ into Africa. Just makes old conflicts more bloody. A further call for sanity:

    http://t.co/5jkf72H4qS

  19. Funny how the word play goes on without anyone taking any notice of it! Islamic Maghreb or Islamic West, are both one and the same, but as we all know the standard issue moron weaned on politics by numbers: West is good, East is bad, Muslims bad, foreign words dangerous/bad/nonsense would be hard pressed to find there is an Islamic West too. Hence the foreign word: Maghreb the terrible guttural sounding “gh”, a clear and present danger to all things civilised and Western. This alleviating the confusions arising from the concept of Islamic West, that would be yielding addled and confounded masses exhibiting clear signs of: does not compute Syndrome.

    The whole stinking imperial war unleashed on the planet is based on the notions of “al Qaeda” the most dastardly organisation ever exiting in human constructs, with a branch under every lily-white, Freedom lovin, civilised Westerners’ bed!

    It is patently clear that Starbuck dose not enjoy the extensive franchise that al Qaeda does. The scary letter of Q yet another clear and present danger, as its guttural sound proves, is the start of yet another foreign word that has been translated as “the base” for the benefit of the the same Western masses, trouble is the foreigner (Westerner) who picked up the name had no idea about semantics of this “base”, qaeda is also a reference to the arse, and the bum hole there of.

    The guy choosing this phrase ought to have had a rudimentary working knowledge of Arabic, or was this phrase picked up just for the benefit of the Western audiences? On one hand the Arab audiences are falling side ways with the jokes about the butt-hole and the bandits thereof, posing as al Qaeda or AQ whichever one you care to choose. On the other Western audiences are being scared shitless about the said butt bandits which the Arabs are laughing about.

    Simple facts before us are, the language of the imperial war waged on the planet has been carefully chosen to portray the all foreign and strange sounding words to be associated with the all foreign and weirdly dressed Muslims to be a readily available substitute for the red menace and commie bastards of the yesteryear, that the Western ideologists had spent millions to sew in the minds of their respective audiences.

    Evidently the ill equipped Tuareg, sporting a firs world war rifle on the back of their armoured plated camels that could theoretically carry explosives and then theoretically explode in a market place or some other place that could in effect theoretically classify these as weapons of mass destruction, represent the kind of menace that the armed to the teeth twenty first century imperial storm troopers ought to be fighting with all their modern means in their hands, ie a turkey shoot to keep the oil flowing and the bananas growing and keeping the lilly-white Westerners butt immune from the dangers posed by the branch of al Qaeda under their bed!

    It behoves all those progressive souls not to fall into the trap of echoing the same unconscious drivel fed to the standard issue moron and fall into the trap of engaging in the same kind of word play. These ought not assume that the masses know “maghreb” means West in Arabic, or al Qaeda means the bottom/butt/arse/the organ which some humans sit upon, and other humans do their thinking with, and talk whence from. The fact is those forces of reaction are bent on propagating fear through introduction of words that have no meaning but sound threatening and frightening to carry on their assault on the planet.

  20. I take it everyone knows about the new Distinguished Warfare Medal to be bestowed on drone operators?

    The medal apparently features a globe encompassed by some sort of wreath, with a V embossed over it if awarded over “direct combat”.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/15/pentagon-uproar-over-panetta-medal-drone-operators/

    It’s not a spoof, btw.

  21. We witness the United States of Amassica has executed a Presidential legal framework that somehow justifies the extrajudicial murder of ‘American’ citizens in a foreign country.

    The United States of Amassica has already murdered thousands of it’s own citizens in false-flag operations devised to perpetuate the al-Qaeda myth and the ‘war of terror’ as a means of control by fear, hysteria, panic and phobia.

    http://www.childrenofconflict.org.uk/DOJ.pdf

  22. The Unired States action may be trying to do more than one thing at once. Boko Haram in nearby Nigeria may be on their minds as much as the Islamists in Mali, whether or not they call themselves “Al-Qaeda in the Maghreb”.

  23. This is on my reading list: Jeremy Keenan ‘The Dark Sahara: America’s War on Terror in Africa’ (Pluto Press, 2009)

    Jeremy Keenan’s research expertise and interests cover respectively the Sahara/Tuareg, militarization of Africa, Africa general, and longitudinal studies of genocides, victims and survivors.

    His views seem rather at odds with prevailing narratives about the region.

    He states: “The Islamist ‘terrorist’ groups that have taken over control of northern Mali are not only the creations of Algeria’s secret police, the Département du Renseignement et de la Sécurité (DRS), but they are being supplied, supported and orchestrated by the DRS.”

    http://www.opendemocracy.net/jeremy-h-keenan/algerian-state-terrorism-and-atrocities-in-northern-mali

    (Open Democracy piece from 25 September 2012)

  24. We must learn very quickly technology to bring down drones. Perhaps Iran can help us.

  25. Maybe this is all part of Kissinger’s de-population plan,perpetual war to bring the numbers down.It is very difficult to understand in any other way.I think KingofWelshNoir,Nevermind and November have got it about right.

  26. Zero Dark Thirty, the CIA and film critics have a very bad evening

    The stigma attached to the pro-torture CIA propaganda vehicle, beloved by film critics, results in Oscar humiliation

    Glenn Greenwald
    guardian.co.uk, Monday 25 February 2013 12.48 GMT
    [..]

    The first sign that this fallout was harming the film was when its director, Bigelow, was not even nominated for Best Director. And now, on Sunday night at the Academy Awards, Zero Dark Thirty got exactly what it deserved: basically nothing other than humiliation:

    “‘Zero Dark Thirty,’ about the decade-long US hunt for Osama bin Laden, has received more attention in the US Congress than it did at the Oscars on Sunday, amid political fallout over its depiction of torture and alleged intelligence leaks to the movie’s makers. . . .

    “Just three months ago, the thriller, which culminates in Osama bin Laden’s killing by US Navy Seals, was a strong contender to pick up the biggest prize of Best Picture, as well as the Best Actress and Original Screenplay awards.

    “By the end of Sunday night, however, it had picked up just one award – a shared Oscar for Sound Editing, which was a tie.”

    (I’m actually glad that it won essentially half of an award, for sound editing, as that’s somehow more cruel than if it just won nothing).

    This is a rare case of some justice being done. There’s little question that the objections to its pro-torture depictions and CIA propaganda were what sunk the film. In explaining why its Oscar chances had all but disappeared, the Atlantic’s Richard Lawson explained last month that as a result of the controversy, the film has “just become something vaguely taboo”. That’s a good thing, as it should be taboo. The film is unsurprisingly a box office success, earning in excess of $100 million. But still, it’s both gratifying and a bit surprising to see that this CIA-shaped jingoistic celebration of America’s proudest moment of the last decade – finding bin Laden, pumping his skull full of bullets, and then dumping his corpse into the ocean – ended up with the stigma it deserves.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/25/zero-dark-thirty-cia-oscars

  27. Maybe Kissinger should instigate his Soylent Green plan, and then, after considering the mess he created in this world, step forward to be the first to be immolated into nutri biscuits for the poor.

    http://rense.com/general59/kissingereugenics.htm

    Kissinger is a nasty piece of work,imho, he’s in the same mindset as Ariel Sharon, Ben Gurion and Wolfowitz, but more clever.

    These Straussian’s have all got their cue’s from the third Reich, not just their philosophical spinal fluids, but their media management, base genetics and rocket sciences, all nicely studied and incorporated from the third Reich.

    Were would, sorry, rephrase, would there be a body such as NASA without Werner von Braun? The whole military industrial complex of A. Speer copied and transcribed to today’s equivalent US armourers, some massive multinationals, so we know were it comes from, and how and what this type of people think of the people in developing Africa.

  28. Attempts are made constantly to craft and tailor historical events to suit the political paradigm through propaganda and subliminal mind-control.

    We note the glorification of torture in ‘ Zero Dark Thirty’ for instance, which despite the films’ US government funding, has its roots we are told in credible US intelligence source information.

    Eventually when these ‘Iraq dossier’ type Hollywood lies and propaganda are busted, history will be changed to declare them ‘works of art’ enabled by creative license. That same license embalmed the phrase ‘Let’s Roll!’ into the American psyche.

    It’s safe to say that the sort of people who would never admit in public to questioning a government’s official explanations about 7/7 or 9/11 – are generally the same section of the population who would accept a film like ‘Zero Dark Thirty’ as recorded history. -

    These might also be the same type of people who believed in advance that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, a meme that justified America’s bombing and invasion; maiming and orphaning thousands of infants, toddlers and school children in Iraq – left to rot in slums and street corners…

    Unless of course those ‘sort of people’ are in fact heartless zombies who think ‘rag-heads’ young and old are expendable non-contributing fodder.

  29. At least five broken camera’s two creators are happy with the prevailing Hollywood politics.

    They know they have created a film people will want to see. I shall make it my duty to go and see it.
    Could it be possible that the powerful descriptions within this film was the final nail in the coffin for that Biggelow torture epic which did not register on the Richter scale, rendering the killing of Usama Bin Laden a virtual taboo film.

    well done to both, Emad Burnat and Guy Davidi

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2125423/

  30. Any news from Horsham Mark? I could not go as I have a streaming cold and uncontrollable sneezing which I did not think the magistrate(s) would welcome very much.

  31. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    25 Feb, 2013 - 3:57 pm

    Mary @ 2:52

    Hollywood is as corporatist as you can be, IMO. The AA’s nothing more than PR for the film industry. They like the big money films, but occasionally engage their own cognitive dissonance and give an Oscar to a sleeper, usually for costumes or somesuch, to give more credibility to the contention the AA’s are about art and social mobility. They dislike controversy.

    Citizen Kane, although thought to be one of the greatest films ever made, was given but one Oscar for Writing (Mankiewicz).

    Orson Welles was a pariah, because the Hollywood Machine decided he was unfair to William Randolph Hearst.

  32. Charged with not paying his TV licence, Tony Rooke had claimed at Horsham Magistrates’ Court that the BBC’s treatment of the 9/11 attacks made it complicit in acts of terrorism.

    He asked to submit evidence which he said would show that the BBC had consistently failed to report the true story.

    District Judge Stephen Nicholls said that, even if he accepted and agreed with the evidence, that would not give him grounds to rule that Rooke was not guilty.

    He imposed a six month conditional discharge, with £200 legal costs.

    Outside court, Rooke said the case had been a ‘score draw’ since the judge had looked at the evidence – albeit in private – and had decided not to fine him.

    He called for anyone who has evidence which challenges the official version of the 9/11 terrorist attacks to pass it to the authorities.

    The Susan Lindauer View of Al-Qaida:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT0RXep1mcM&list=UUaRuqb5t40xZ97HNFk5YIZg

  33. Yes Ben. Pilger has written on the links. The most recent I think.
    http://www.newstatesman.com/film/2010/02/pilger-iraq-oscar-american-war

    This is another piece on Argo.
    http://www.wideasleepinamerica.com/2013/02/oscar-prints-the-legend-argo.html

    ~~~

    Thanks for that info Mark.

  34. “to give more credibility to the contention the AA’s are about art and social mobility.”

    Yup.

    “A media system wants ostensible diversity that conceals an actual uniformity”

    Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPZL5WTilRE

  35. “Were would, sorry, rephrase, would there be a body such as NASA without Werner von Braun?”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5JmDNpjKYc

  36. Oh the hypocrisy …

    WASHINGTON: The United States warned Pakistan against entering ‘deals with Iran that may be sanctionable’, a reference to Pak-Iran gas deal.

    State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said during a media briefing that Pakistan had better not sign agreement with Tehran. However, she said Washington wanted to help Pakistan overcome its energy crisis.

    The spokeswoman also commented on Quetta’s Saturday bombing that led to killing of over 89 people saying innocent people were being killed in bomb blasts in Pakistan.

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-89113-US-urges-Pakistan-not-to-sign-deal-with-Iran

  37. ‘Wide Asleep in America’ – a great link Mary – Thank-you.

    “Living is easy with eyes closed… – Misunderstanding all you see” John Lennon

  38. Dr David Kelly – In Memoriam

    “What soap is for the body, tears are for the soul.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdfuMW-tvuc

  39. This is the atrocious OFSTED report on Norfolk child protection services under Cllr. Alison Thomas. Some 15 years ago Norfolk got rapped over the knuckle for the Lauren Creed case, then negligence and incompetence was alleged, now this report. Norfolk Tory led council scored inadequate in all categories.

    http://www.digitalnorfolk.com/webpages2/Ofsted_report_into_child_protection/20130225093007/052_Inspection%20of%20local%20authority%20arrangements%20for%20the%20protection%20of%20children%20as%20pdf.pdf

    Same Ms. Thomas who is seen here in the cold, desperate for some positive news, by appealing for a bypass some say will never be built. She is known to smile to just about any news, however bad it is, maybe now she will fall on to her stiletto’s, or be removed by brand new, today elected, County council leader, huntsman Bill Borrett, Borat as he’s known.

    http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/hope_for_long_awaited_bypass_around_long_stratton_1_1952357

  40. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    25 Feb, 2013 - 6:08 pm

    This new book seems a worthwhile read….http://www.alternet.org/world/top-us-terrorist-group-fbi

    “Imagine an incompetent bureaucrat. Now imagine a corrupt one. Now imagine both combined. You’re starting to get at the image I take away of some of the FBI agents’ actions recounted in this book. “

  41. Italian politics are even more dire than this country’s. At this rate, Bliar might think he could return like his friend Silvio but I guess the money making is more important for him now.

    ‘According to early figures, Pier Luigi Bersani’s centre-left bloc is poised to take the lower house while Silvio Berlusconi’s centre-right appears to be leading in the powerful Senate.

    A protest movement led by comedian Beppe Grillo has surged into third.’

    Italy election: Early vote count points to impasse
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21574116

  42. Nevermind. Definitely a fixation. A sickness too and playground bullying.

    Ref your County Councillor Thomas. Why does she put this entry about her husband’s job in ‘her’ register of interests? http://www.norfolk.gov.uk/view/ncc080786

    Who are Marsh Ltd?

  43. Mark Golding’s posts remain a refined and impressive mix of misguided rant, illogical conspiracy, straw-men, hypocrisy, and out and out irrational idiocy.

    However, what truly sets them apart from others of their ilk, is the consistent ability and willingness to (mis)use ‘children of conflict’(TM), to lend credence to somewhat stale arguments and make cheap political points on a blog.

    Sir, I salute you and your indefatigability.

  44. Nevermind – your MP tells you that Julian Assange faces ‘serious charges’ in Sweden – perhaps you could get back to the Honourable Member and remind him that Julian Assange is wanted for questioning – he is not facing any charges.

  45. “Nevermind – your MP tells you that Julian Assange faces ‘serious charges’ in Sweden – perhaps you could get back to the Honourable Member and remind him that Julian Assange is wanted for questioning – he is not facing any charges.”

    Unlike Henry Kissinger who has an international arrest warrant out on him and is wanted in France, Spain, Chile and Argentina.

  46. “Mark Golding’s posts remain a refined and impressive mix of misguided rant, illogical conspiracy, straw-men, hypocrisy, and out and out irrational idiocy”

    Source? If none, please elaborate.

  47. Adriana, 7.21pm

    to Nevermind:

    “perhaps you could get back to the Honourable Member and remind him that Julian Assange is wanted for questioning – he is not facing any charges”

    Agreed. And, also from Nevermind’s 12.45pm post quoting his MP Richard Bacon:

    “Under our law, with Mr. Assange having exhausted all options of appeal, the British authorities are under a binding obligation to extradite him to Sweden. We must carry out that obligation and the Government fully intends to do so. The Government will not allow Mr. Assange safe passage out of the UK, nor is there any legal basis for them to do so. No one should be in any doubt that the Government is determined to carry out its legal obligations to see Mr. Assange extradited to Sweden…”

    Perhaps you could use this link Nevermind to let him know that actually the UK is breaking international law by refusing safe passage to Assange.

    http://justice4assange.com/extraditing-assange.html#SWEDENVETO2

    It goes into considerable detail about how the principle of non-refoulment in asylum law trumps extradition law every time (obviously, as any idiot with half a brain can see that’s the only logical way asylum law could work at all). It quotes the 16 international treaties Ecuador used as the basis for its grant of asylum to Assange, all of which the UK is subverting by refusing safe passage.

  48. I salute you CE – I touched a raw nerve then?

  49. The principle of non-refoulment applies to “true victims of persecution”.

    Assange is not a victim of persecution.

  50. @ Kempe, 11.04pm

    Best let the government of Ecuador know your opinion then, Kempe. They spent two months studying huge quantities of evidence and legal advice and came to the conclusion that Assange was at risk of extreme political persecution. Pity they didn’t have the benefit of your opinion, they’d have finished their deliberations much sooner.

  51. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    25 Feb, 2013 - 11:48 pm

    ‘Assange is not a victim of persecution”

    When prosecutorial misconduct, as occurred with Aaron Scwarz, extends the reach of the government animus toward political enemies, it could be argued it is persecution.

    Aside from that nibbling at semantics, there’s this……..

    “While not a treaty itself, the Declaration was explicitly adopted for the purpose of defining the meaning of the words “fundamental freedoms” and “human rights” appearing in the United Nations Charter, which is binding on all member states. For this reason the Universal Declaration is a fundamental constitutive document of the United Nations. Many international lawyers,[who?] in addition, believe that the Declaration forms part of customary international law[19] and is a powerful tool in applying diplomatic and moral pressure to governments that violate any of its articles. The 1968 United Nations International Conference on Human Rights advised that it “constitutes an obligation for the members of the international community” to all persons. The declaration has served as the foundation for two binding UN human rights covenants, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and the principles of the Declaration are elaborated in international treaties such as the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, the International Convention on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women, the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, the United Nations Convention Against Torture and many more. The Declaration continues to be widely cited by governments, academics, advocates and constitutional courts and individual human beings who appeal to its principles for the protection of their recognised human rights.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_asylum

    The threat, based on past behavior of the US, against human rights, makes the political asylum issue a cogent one. We cannot certify that the UK and US/Sweden would conspire to extradite,but the threat is sufficient cause to be suspicious.

  52. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    25 Feb, 2013 - 11:57 pm

    Another Century-sentence example of prosecutorial misconduct.

    http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/02/21/the-saga-of-barrett-brown/

  53. CE: If you expect to get a rise out of Mark Golding, you’ll have to do quite a bit better than that.

  54. The Starbucks View of Al-Qaida (cont.)
    The BBC view of Al-Qaida:
    Loose labelling culled from the last 3 years of their archive:

    jihadists close to al Qaeda
    Islamist rebels linked to Al Qaeda.
    Al Qaeda operatives” in Somalia
    in association with Al Qaeda
    Scores of Al-Qaeda sponsored terrorist attacks
    allies of al-Qaeda,
    Al Qaeda’s Iraq wing
    said to be connected to Al Qaeda
    in the same side as al Qaeda.
    part of the Al Qaeda franchise
    affiliated with Al Qaeda
    militant groups, including possibly al Qaeda
    the al-Qaeda ideological movement
    Al Qaeda affiliated groups
    jihadi fighters linked to Al Qaeda
    re also believed to have had al-Qaeda links
    Al Qaeda elements
    al-Qaeda or its sympathisers
    al-Qaeda’s underlying premises
    al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula
    who was believed at the time to have links to Al Qaeda
    al-Qaeda today is “loose and amorphous”
    MI5 believed they were close to Al Qaeda
    The leader of al Qaeda’s Algerian offshoot
    the Al Qaeda narrative
    Al Qaeda inspired terrorism
    Ansar al Sharia, an offshoot of Al Qaeda
    the destructive and murderous approach of al-Qaeda
    Al Qaeda in Yemen
    Al-Qaeda’s influence
    Fears of Al Qaeda activity
    they probably do have links to al-Qaeda
    a document called The Al-Qaeda Training Manual.
    a strong al Qaeda presence
    ties with Al Qaeda
    the al-Qaeda-linked Abu Sayyaf
    parts of the cancer that Al Qaeda represents
    al-Qaeda’s philosophy is one man one bomb
    inspired by al-Qaeda, but not always directed by them.
    groups with links to al-Qaeda
    al-Qaeda network
    the fight against al-Qaeda and its affiliates
    perceptions of al-Qaedaalso known as al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia
    al-Qaeda’s larger movement
    al-Qaeda is alive and kicking
    Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb
    thought to be al-Qaeda’s deputy leader
    al-Qaeda and its heinous ideology

  55. I agree with Fred’s take on this. It’s actually a view that’s not a very controversial one given that independent studies from Harvard and elsewhere confirm that the use of Drones is a proven counter-productive strategy – at least in terms of increasing the likelihood of terrorist ‘blowback’.

    However, the salient point, as alluded to by Fred, is that such a strategy is clearly not regarded by the US establishment as being counter-productive in terms of furthering its medium to long-term geopolitical and economic strategic interests.

    Moreover, as Craig correctly stated, such a strategy also serves the interests of the industrial-military complex very well too.

  56. Have you noticed since its inception just how many spellings abound of aL-Qaeda?

    Im not having a cheap shot at basic typos here,i’m trying to make a serious point.

    Even in Craig’s opening paragraph on this blog he has 3 different spellings.

    And its the same in the MSM.

    This alone was one of the very first indicators,for me, that the War On Terror was a crock of shit.They couldn’t even agree on the spelling of supposedly vast spectral enemy.

    Nobody ever mis-spelled the Nazis or Vietnam or the Soviets..

    It’s a load of shit,and has been from the start,this so called War On Terror.

  57. Jives, of course you are right to say that the so-called ‘War On Terror’ is a farce. As I alluded to above, the obvious aim of the US imperialist class is to prolong conflict indefinetely. Greenwald has made this precise point in a recent article.

    The US elites actually made their intentions clear in this regard as long ago as 1997 with the release of the PNAC policy document, the strategy of which is being continued under Obama.

    As Pilger succinctly put it, ‘the US war IS the terror’. 9-11 provided the excuse to expand this terror.

  58. Jives How about Alki Ada? That invention expresses the whole fiction.

    ~~~

    I have been listening to a World Service programme about the ongoing atrocities in Sri Lanka. Capture and torture of Tamil opposition members, rape and assault and so on are well documented by Human Rights Watch. I was thinking the while about Liam Fox and Werritty’s frequent visits to the country and what part they played in facilitating arms supplies to Mahinda Rajapaksa’s so called Freedom party.

    Unbelievably, the Commonwealth Heads of Government conference is scheduled to take place in Sri Lanka in November. Will Mrs Windsor be attending so soon after the bloodbath where supersonic jets bombed civilians gsthered in the open or on beaches?

    Fox’s connections to Sri Lanka date from the 90s and his and Werritty’s involvement in thst country’s affairs is well documented in this Guardian article.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/oct/13/adam-werritty-liam-fox-sri-lanka

    and
    Sri Lanka asks UN rights body to block screening of British film on alleged war crimes
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/sri-lanka-asks-un-rights-body-to-block-screening-of-british-film-on-alleged-war-crimes/2013/02/25/28244880-7f64-11e2-a671-0307392de8de_story.html

    Yes this too

    Sri Lanka has a close relationship with Israel, and its military is a major user of Israeli weapons systems that include the IAI Kfir Fighter Jet, the Super Dvora Mk III class Patrol Vessel, and the Gabriel missile. In May 2011, the Israeli Minister of Agriculture visited Sri Lanka with an agro-business delegation to promote cooperation between the two countries.
    from
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Sri_Lanka

  59. Litvinenko inquest: Government makes secrecy request
    Alexander Litvinenko was poisoned in 2006 after meeting Russian contacts

    A coroner is to hear an application by the government to keep some information secret at the forthcoming inquest into the death of Alexander Litvinenko.

    The former Russian security service officer was poisoned by radioactive polonium in London in 2006.

    Tuesday’s hearing will consider an application for a broad Public Interest Immunity (PII) certificate.

    It is expected to be opposed by lawyers for Mr Litvinenko’s widow as well as media organisations, including the BBC.

    The PII certificate would exclude some information from the inquest when it opens later this year.

    They are usually issued on the grounds of national security.

    At an earlier pre-inquest hearing the lawyer for Mr Litvinenko’s widow said the Russian had been a paid agent of MI6 and argued the inquest should examine the secret service’s relationship with him.

    Sir Robert Owen, a judge acting as the coroner, has said he would examine what was known of threats to Mr Litvinenko’s life and also whether the Russian state was responsible for his death.

    He has also agreed that a group representing Russian state prosecutors can be accepted as a party to the inquest process.

    A legal review, ahead of the inquest, has heard that Mr Litvinenko was working alongside Spanish spies for MI6 in the days before his death.

    British government documents that implied Russia was behind the 43-year old’s murder were also revealed.

    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21583528

  60. @A Node

    Great list!

  61. Israel, the apartheid state.

    Alon Liel, a former Israeli Foreign Ministry director-general and ex-ambassador to South Africa:

    “As long as there is no Palestinian state and Israel rules over the West Bank, Israel is a de facto apartheid state, a former top Foreign Ministry official said Wednesday, using a highly contentious term usually employed only by radical anti-Israel activists.”

    “Similarities between the “original apartheid” as it was practiced in South Africa and the situation in Israel and the West Bank today “scream to the heavens,” added Liel, who was Israel’s ambassador in Pretoria from 1992 to 1994. There can be little doubt that the suffering of Palestinians is not less intense than that of blacks during apartheid-era South Africa, he asserted.”

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/joint-israel-west-bank-reality-is-an-apartheid-state/

    Meanwhile, over in the good ole US of A, preening redneck Senator Lindsey Graham unearths Chuck Hagel’s latest crime against the apartheid state:

    “South Carolina senator Lindsey Graham has just sent a letter to Barack Obama’s defense secretary nominee, Chuck Hagel. Graham asks if, at a 2010 appearance at Rutgers University, Hagel said Israel “was risking becoming an apartheid state.”"

    “He (Chuck Hagel) basically said that Israel has violated every UN resolution since 1967, that Israel has violated its agreements with the quartet, that it was risking becoming an apartheid state if it didn’t allow the Palestinians to form a state. He said that the settlements were getting close to the point where a contiguous Palestinian state would be impossible.”

    “In his letter, Graham writes: “Senator Hagel, did you say this? Have you said anything similar? Does this contemporaneous email accurately reflect your views?”"

    Lindsey Graham, a man with no shame.

    https://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/graham-hagel-did-you-say-israel-risked-becoming-apartheid-state_703030.html

  62. Thank you, Craig! It’s so refreshing to hear someone talk about what “Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb” actually means. This title is so blandly inserted into so many news reports that I have long suspected it of being meaningless.

  63. Carlyle Moulton

    26 Feb, 2013 - 9:03 am

    KingOfWelsh Noir says:-

    “It is self-evident to most reasonable people that killing children with drones, waterboarding, rendering, invading and bombing, blowing up wedding parties and just about every other tactic of the War on Terror simply adds fuel to the fire and creates more terrorism. They’ve been doing it for ten years now and I’m pretty sure they are not stupid. Therefore I have to assume that fomenting anti-American hatred must be the intended outcome. Or is there another explanation?”

    For the kleptoplutocrats and corporations that own the US, permanent war is profitable, extremely profitable, but how do you prevent the war from ending prematurely? Well one adopts battle tactics that create as many new enemies as possible for each current enemy assassinated.

    War is costly for the majority of US citizens but good for the 0.01% elite that control the US government. The war will not end until the debt it creates for the other 99.9% of US citizens becomes unsupportable.

  64. Thanks Adrianna and Arbed and all other replies, I’m already penning a letter in reply to the spiel I received from Mr. Bacon.

  65. Hi Nevermind (and others interested in Assange case),

    I’m reposting here something I dropped into the Why I’m Convinced AA is a Liar thread a couple of weeks ago because I’m not sure I made its significance quite clear enough. I’ll spell it out more clearly this time.

    Yesterday Sweden’s Foreign Minister Carl Bildt arrived in Australia for talks with Australian FM Bob Carr, who has publicly stated that he won’t be raising Assange’s case with Bildt (hmmm… yeah, right). In a televised panel discussion two nights ago, Bob Carr and the US Ambassador to Australia Jeff Bleich did their damnedest to mislead the Australian public that the Wikileaks Grand Jury didn’t exist, Assange’s asylum had nothing to do with America and the US has no involvement in the Swedish extradition case. This link from my previous post blows that last claim out of the water.

    Smoking gun emails just leaked in Sweden:

    http://rixstep.com/1/20130210,00.shtml

    Rixstep helpfully puts the all-important bits in bold, so no one can miss it. And dates, just so everyone’s clear on the order of events.

    Briefly, in late July last year (25 July 2012) the Ecuadorian Ambassador to Sweden showed up unexpectedly at the Swedish FO carrying Ecuador’s formal offer to facilitate Assange’s questioning at the Ecuadorian embassy in London. Recent FOI releases in Sweden show that this offer was immediately copied to the America section of the Swedish Foreign Ministry. On the exact same day Assange’s Swedish lawyers wrote to the Swedish prosecutor Marianne Ny formally making the same offer on behalf of their client. Ny took six days to respond to them and did so in a way which implied she had no knowledge of the Ecuadorians’ formal offer. This might suggest that it’s Carl Bildt’s ministry and its America section who are really running the Swedish investigation/extradition.

    If Bob Carr and Jeffrey Bleich’s claims that the US has no involvement in Sweden’s case are true, can they explain why correspondence concerning Assange’s questioning at a safe venue in London is copied to the Swedish FO America section, when it purportedly has nothing to do with them?

  66. Ben Franklin, 11.57pm 25 Feb

    Re your query about the Knights of Malta on the previous thread, I wonder if this little gift from Wikileaks contains anything useful for your researches?

    WIKILEAKS RELEASE: Malta: 4,685 emails from US intelligence contractor Stratfor:
    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/306312677922336768

    WIKILEAKS RELEASE: Malta: 15 sensitive emails from US intelligence contractor Stratfor:
    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/306313937832521728

    Is there some important political event coming up concerning Malta, does anyone know? Wikileaks usually times its releases just ahead of elections and such like. If there’s nothing significant for Malta on the horizon, then the timing of this release is spookily coincidental to your questions, Ben. Perhaps Wikileaks reads this blog and they were sufficiently intrigued to have a quick fish around in their files…? :)

  67. English Knight

    26 Feb, 2013 - 11:15 am

    The gaju alliance, at it again ! After relegating the runaway blockbuster Avatar to second behind the relatively poor Hurt Locker, only due to Avatars clear allusion to the plight of the Palestinians, we now have this majority alliance in the Oscar panel, voting for “Argo” – when its dershowitzery is plain for all to see. Is it a wonder then, they refer to us as “sum dum goyim”, but the American presstitutes are all laughing their way to the bank.

  68. The Torygraph gives house room to Straw. What does he mean when he says ‘going to war’? He is of course very practiced in the process.

    Even if Iran gets the Bomb, it won’t be worth going to war
    Containment is a better response than conflict in dealing with a country we have long mishandled
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9892742/Even-if-Iran-gets-the-Bomb-it-wont-be-worth-going-to-war.html

  69. Arbed. No elections in Malta as far as I can see. I wondered if there was some connection to war on Mali and beyond, but officially they say they have no bases for foreign powers. They did have previously.

    http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20120613/local/-No-Maltese-interest-in-having-Nato-membership-.424051 A mention of a 2004 Wikileak within.

    Not actually in NATO but in this set up which they joined in 1995 and which was renewed.
    http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_50349.htm The Partnership for Peace programme
    http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_82584.htm |Countries signed up and date

  70. Remember all that bollocks a few weeks ago about all the hurdles Assange faced because he hadn’t been registered to vote. Lawyers, constitutional experts, the whole shower wheeled out for the cause.

    Well, surprise, surprise. It was all bollocks.

    “Contrary to the expectations of a number of political commentators, the Australian Electoral Commission has accepted Mr Assange’s enrolment as an eligible overseas elector in the Victorian federal seat of Isaacs, the seat of Labor Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus.”

    http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/assange-takes-step-closer-to-senate-20130225-2f1dw.html

    And this is very likely bollocks too!

    “Assange’s conspiracy theory is ‘fantasy’: Australian FM”

    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2013/02/26/268381.html

  71. ix/xi was either blowback in response to US aggression in the Middle East, or a false-flag in which the US government executed 3,000 of its own citizens. If the former, it suggests that the US has little fear of blowback. In response to the atrocity US aggression escalated hugely. The barbarity of the attack legitimised any and all subsequent American actions, in the same way that the Death Wish movies show terrible crimes in order to gain sympathy for a homicidal vigilante. The destruction in downtown New York was about as much as (more than?) any terrorist group could hope to achieve against a powerful martial nation with massive security apparatus. So if that didn’t stop the warmongers, what will?

  72. The beginners guide to politics, 101.

    Once you start working for The Borg, your brain is theirs!

    The human, Bob Carr:

    “Writing in his Thoughtlines political blog in February last year, then retired former New South Wales premier Carr was highly critical of the Swedish prosecutorial process levied against Mr Assange.

    ”The Swedish judge is prosecutor . . . yes, the two roles in the one officer, an outrage by Australian standards,” Mr Carr wrote. ”The charge includes rape but the sex was consensual. The victims have exchanged emails talking revenge and money.””

    Bob Carr, after The Borg have liquidised his brain:

    “Senator Carr promptly distanced himself from these and other comments once he was appointed Foreign Minister, saying that they were the views of a private individual and did not necessarily reflect the positions he would adopt as a member of the Federal Labor Government.”

    Now, you know.

  73. Craig: Could you please explain to the gentlemen in these videos that there is no need to kill people in this way because the organisation they say they belong to doesn’t exist? http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e45_1359741518

  74. How?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6oiR29NcGw

    “…the utter failure to defend them [American citizens] by their federal government, by their leaders, and the institutions that were entrusted to do so and because of serious discrepancies between the facts that you’ve set forth and what was told to the American people…” – Senator Mark Dayton – Governor of Minnesota.

  75. “Best let the government of Ecuador know your opinion then, Kempe. They spent two months studying huge quantities of evidence and legal advice and came to the conclusion that Assange was at risk of extreme political persecution.”

    Yes, they decided he COULD be at risk of political persecution not that he currently was.

  76. “Have you noticed since its inception just how many spellings abound of aL-Qaeda?”

    This is because it’s a translation into the Roman alphabet of a phrase originally written in Arabic which can be expressed in a number of different ways. There are several different ways of spelling Col Gaddafi’s name, doesn’t mean he never existed.

  77. “ix/xi was either blowback in response to US aggression in the Middle East, or a false-flag in which the US government executed 3,000 of its own citizens.”

    The reason for 9/11 is well known. During the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait America used fake satellite pictures to make the Saudis think Saddam was going to keep on coming. They agreed to let America build bases on Muslim holy land in Saudi. After Iraq was forced out of Kuwait America decided they were going to keep their bases in Saudi Arabia.

    American intelligence must have known that the Muslim factions would not tolerate Infidel soldiers on their Holy Land. They knew they would take action and they knew what action they were going to take well in advance.

    Now America doesn’t need bases in Saudi, they are still there but unmanned, they have plenty of bases in Iraq.

  78. Uzbek in the UK

    26 Feb, 2013 - 4:38 pm

  79. Whague’s Cheshire cat grin may disappear today a bit like Wheritty because Mr Kerry is a real politician not an incompetent nincompoop like Hague and Cameron. Kerry will be outlining the plan for Syria, decimation of Assad in the next few weeks, followed the restitution of law and order under the stars and stripes of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    William Hague’s relish at the random sniping at citizens by UK special forces and the oppression of the Syrian people by Saudi funded jihadists will come to an end. I have refused to support a jihad which is controlled by UKUSIS for the purpose of installing a Syrian Morsi because I don’t want to be the one who is told that I condoned the possible genocide of Alawis, same as recent history in Libya against black people and supporters of Gaddafi.

    Assad and Gaddafi could have been removed by diplomacy. Then the world could have been told that the Alawis are not Muslims and have no place ruling over a Muslim country, and then they could vave been left alone. USUKIS want a genocide so that they can justify taking over Syria’s oil-assets and so they can blame the Muslims for being uncivilised.

    However, the Qur’an mentions the genocide of the Jews at the hands of the Romans after they rejected their prophet Jesus pbuh. I believe we will be witnesses to a genocide of Alawis in the months to come. If it happens, it will be Allah’s decision and who can disagree with it?

    Kerry will be demanding that UK forces now play an active role in enabling that genocide, while US troops presently stationed in Israel on their return from Iraq secure the pipelines that run through Syria from Iraq under Western control.

    Whague will be wishing he wasn’t sitting in the firing line of having to take responsibility for the ensuing massacres, and will feebly wheel out the pathetic excuses of this pathetic, yesterdays conservative party, that no-one in Westminster could have predicted that these massacres could have followed present party policy.

    Then the blood and guts will all be washed down by an early disintegration of the Lib-Con alliance and we will have a sparkly, squeaky New Labour Ed Miliband in No 10. Whague will resume his revolting wheeler dealing and believe that he has conned us into thinking he was not to blame.

  80. As I understand it though, those US bases in Iraq are no longer operational.

  81. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    26 Feb, 2013 - 4:58 pm

    Good God, Daniel, don’t let facts stand in the way of a good conspiracy theory!

    You’re on the way to getting called a troll!

  82. Avoid BBC 2 10.30 tonight at all costs. Bliar is being given airtime for a hour long special with Ms Wark, on Iraq 10 years on. The BBC have the death toll wrong by a factor of 10 btw. They know that and have been corrected time and time again.

    Tony Blair: Life in Iraq 10 years on not as I hoped
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21576509

    If only the broadcast could coincide with a power cut or similar just as the powers-that-be have taken Press TV out. Note how Bliar gets a mention of Iran and Syria into his spiel.

    Vile, vile person.

  83. “As I understand it though, those US bases in Iraq are no longer operational.”

    They are still there and can be operational again in 48 hours. America has a huge Embassy in Iraq with the military might to take the city apart if they want to, they have effective control of the Iraqi military and Iraqi air space, there are still plenty of American service men in Iraq as well as all the private security personnel under the control of the American military. They have drone bases and they have training bases for the Syrian rebels.

    If America decides Israeli planes can cross Iraq to get to Iran there isn’t a blind thing the Iraqi government can do about it.

  84. Would you not think Milord Patten, Chair BBC Trust, had more important matters to attend to at the BBC than to go to the Lords yesterday to ask this question with its anti-Islamist content?

    Lord Patten (Conservative)

    To ask Her Majesty’s Government what is their assessment of the risks posed to Christians in the north-eastern province of Kenya from the Somali-based Islamist group al-Shabaab.

    Hansard source (Citation: HL Deb, 25 February 2013, c244W)

    Baroness Warsi (Conservative)

    We have had reports of two attacks against Christian places of worship in Kenya’s North East Province in recent months. This is part of a wider increase in terrorist attacks by domestic and Somali extremist groups against a range of Kenyan targets. We assess these attacks are linked to Kenya’s military intervention in Somalia and that the risk is unlikely to diminish in the immediate future.

  85. Fred, thanks for the clarification.

  86. Fred’s ‘clarification’, is complete claptrap.

    Whilst it may not fit too well with his fanciful narrative, the Iraqi government are however in control of their own airspace.

    Deary me Mary, not that I favour either brand of mumbo-jumbo, but on what Planet does asking a question about the safety of Christians in Kenya become ‘anti-Islamist’? I think that’s the sound of the barrel being scraped.

  87. “Fred’s ‘clarification’, is complete claptrap.

    Whilst it may not fit too well with his fanciful narrative, the Iraqi government are however in control of their own airspace.”

    How do they do that then? They haven’t got any jet fighters.

  88. “The USA is going to create the kind of anti-American unity which does not exist at present, and yet it claims to be fighting. ”

    Job done. If there are no enemies we will create them proving we were right all along.

    I am reminded if benefit scrounger (£500k+) Maggie Thatcher…

    “Where there is peace we will create division. Where there is harmony we will create discord…”*

    *I am going not by the words of this Old Age Terrorist but her actions.

  89. doug scorgie

    26 Feb, 2013 - 9:10 pm

    As usual in Africa,[and elsewhere] the base of these problems is poverty and competition for scarce resources between competing groups, all complicated by the legacy of colonialism. Hatred of the United States has not been a strong motivator in the Maghreb. But now the United States is about to introduce the concept of weekly drone kills and collateral murders, it will be. The USA is going to create the kind of anti-American unity which does not exist at present, and yet it claims to be fighting. Which will, of course, please the politicians’ paymasters in the arms and security industries just fine.

    Never has a truer word been spoken (as they say).

  90. StarBucks doesn’t pay its Taxes. I’m sure Al-Qaida would be very upset by being compared to them.
    But they can’t be, because Al-Qaida does not exist.
    There is just a bunch of groups and inidividuals all over the world with a bunch of different aims and objectives. People against them just use the word Al-qaida to justify the unjustifiable.

    Everything is Al Qaida and everyone is Al Qaida.
    Muslim school girls in france that are not allowed to go to school because they wear a scarf are all Alqaida and stoping them going to school is Frances efforts to fight Al-Qaida.

    Palestinian farmers whose families have been in that same farm for more than a thousand years are AlQaida for not giving that farm to Russians who claim to be Jewish. Killing the farmers, destroying their homes, trees and fields and handing it over to people from America or Russia is Israels fight against Al-Qaida.

    Belgium police arresting, beating and striping naked a Muslim lady and than parading her naked in a police is Belgiums fight against Al Qaida. And that lady wearing a Naqab makes her Al Qaida.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqn7w6oyEc&feature=player_embedded

  91. English Knight

    26 Feb, 2013 - 9:49 pm

    Enough sayanim yiddery for today, there is even one dershowitz who says the Americans have no base in Iraq?!!

  92. Fred,

    Iraq is sovereign nation in control of its own airspace. If you wished to make the point that Iraq may currently lack the means to effectively enforce the control of its airspace, I would probably concede that.

    But to say the US controls Iraqi airspace is both naïve and plain wrong. For a start the Yanks have been none too happy about Iran supplying the Syrian government with arms, through Iraqi airspace, allegedly.

  93. “Iraq is sovereign nation in control of its own airspace. If you wished to make the point that Iraq may currently lack the means to effectively enforce the control of its airspace, I would probably concede that.

    But to say the US controls Iraqi airspace is both naïve and plain wrong. For a start the Yanks have been none too happy about Iran supplying the Syrian government with arms, through Iraqi airspace, allegedly.”

    Not much either of them can do about it just as there’s not much they can do about Turkey bombing the Kurds.

    But fact is America has two carriers in the Gulf and the Iraqi government doesn’t have a fighter to put in the air so America effectively controls Iraqi air space.

  94. Fred,

    Iran has a whole fleet of planes right next to Iraq. Does this mean they are also effectively in control of Iraqi airspace?

  95. Sort-of O/T:

    “Israeli Air Attack in Syria Killed IRG General”
    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2013/02/17/israeli-air-attack-in-syria-killed-irg-general/

  96. Scouse Billy

    27 Feb, 2013 - 2:07 am

    Comic relief ;)

    Have you ever noticed that the worse the tyranny gets in any country, the funnier the marches of their soldiers become?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7WqIDqWOJ0A

  97. “He who joyfully marches to music rank and file has already earned my contempt. He as been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.”
    –Albert Einstein

  98. CE, 26 Feb 8:12pm – “Deary me Mary, not that I favour either brand of mumbo-jumbo, but on what Planet does asking a question about the safety of Christians in Kenya become ‘anti-Islamist’? I think that’s the sound of the barrel being scraped.”
    . . . . .

    Some meanings given to “Islamist” - 
    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Islamist

    Is it possible for an atheist to be indifferent to or supportive of a religion where, in many sympathetic interpretations of its holy scriptures, it appears to incite violence against him? Would it seem unreasonable to be “anti-” that religion in the same way one might be against anything that makes clear its hostile predisposition towards you? 

    Some discussion on the subject of violence against non-believers et al. - 
    http://www.islamforpeace.org/quran.html

    Abrogation replaces peace with violence - 
    http://www.answering-islam.org/Index/A/abrogation.html

    As an atheist, I reject all religions. But that does not motivate me to advocate hostility and violence against followers. Indeed, I embrace them.

    I remember talking to a friend, an ex-pat Englishman, who was married to an Indonesian lass. Both our wives were Muslims but, unlike me, he converted to Islam. We used to discuss the issues of the day and I asked him about Salman Rushdie and the fatwa that was issued against him for his penning of the book, “The Satanic Verses”. My friend expressed enthusiastic support for the fatwa which called for Rushdie’s execution. I asked him if he had read the offending book and he admitted, without any embarrassment, that he had not (making two of us) and that it made no difference anyway. He was quite adamant that executing Rushdie would be appropriate. Interesting to note who advocated murderous violence as a solution in that matter, wouldn’t everyone agree? But maybe he was in the tiny, tiny, tiny minority of Muslims who did.

  99. Iran is in control of Iraq, not the US.

  100. Perhaps it is the other way around Jemand: rather than the religious being violent, it is the intrisically violent who – hoping to moderate their anti-social murderous tendencies – are the more stridently religious. The urge to ‘belong’ essentially signifying the weak and suggestible sub-human monsters amongst us. I’ve not worked this fully out, but anecdotal evidence of a priest/minister/archbish/rabbi etc. giving someone a kicking would support this. Ultra-religious Israeli settlers routinely clubbing elderly Bedouin Palestinians to death is final proof. The others in ‘Do unto others…’, is of course only applied to their co-religionists, thus providing a large group of un-others who in this commonly found religious rationale are fair game as an outlet for barely suppressed malignant urges.

  101. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    27 Feb, 2013 - 8:31 am

    Completely O/T but never mind!

    Chris Jansen of Centrica (aka British Gas), speaking on the back of an 11% rise in profits, is reported as saying “Prices might be going up but bills don’t need to if we control our energy use”.

    Translation : get colder.

    Footnote – in Belgium, energy prices were frozen by the government for the last 9 months of 2012 and the country’s main supplier Electrabel has announced price reductions of anything up to €400 on average fuel bills for this year.

    ********

    La vita è bella! (et fredda)

  102. “Iran has a whole fleet of planes right next to Iraq. Does this mean they are also effectively in control of Iraqi airspace?”

    You said yourself their planes keep getting to Syria.

    But they don’t have the 104 acre “embassy” in Baghdad as well.

  103. Laughing in our faces, again.

    1. Centrica says profits from British Gas’ residential energy supply rose 11% to £606m last year

    Sam Laidlaw CEO and the other Centrica directors, will take home massive bonuses, paid beyond Osborne’s April 1st tax giveaway of course, in addition to their vast salaries. The shareholders will be given a share of £500m from a share buyback.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tax-giveaway-british-gas-fatcats-1728371

    2. The BBC’s rehabilitation of Bliar continues, and I assume he is being paid to participate, in a Radio 4 programme next Tuesday when he speaks with Gus O’Donnell.
    Note Jonathan Evans too. It was trailed on Radio 4 primetime this morning.

    In Defence Of Bureaucracy

    In the first of a two-part series, the former Cabinet Secretary Lord Gus O’Donnell makes a provocative and passionate plea in defence of bureaucracy, in which he argues that an efficient bureaucracy isn’t just a symptom of a mature democracy – it’s a fundamental prerequisite.

    At a time when the relationship between government ministers and bureaucrats in the Civil Service has been characterized as ‘Whitehall at War’, Lord O’Donnell talks to, among others, former Deputy Prime Minister Michael Heseltine, the head of M15 Jonathan Evans and Sir Antony Jay, one of the co-authors of the iconic comedy series Yes, Prime Minister.

    Presenter/Lord Gus O’Donnell, Producer/Will Yates for Juniper Productions
    Ep 1/2

    Tuesday 5 March 9.00-9.30am

    BBC RADIO 4

    I see that Juniper produce the daily swill of Andrew Neil’s daily, inc Sundays, output. http://www.junipertv.co.uk/production.html

  104. This is an excellent move to have Alastair Campbell removed as ‘celebrity ambassador’ of MIND, the mental health charity. Its president is Stephen Fry and the trustees are listed here. http://www.mind.org.uk/about/our_governance/our_trustees

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1361923189.htmlCampaign to remove Alastair Campbell as Mind ambassador

    I work in mental health and it has long irked me that the major mental health charities line up to fete Alastair Campbell. He is a Mind “ambassador” and their former “Champion of the Year”; Vice Patron of Sane; a “supporter” of Rethink; and an ambassador (again) for Time to Change, a joint Mind/Rethink campaign (see links below).

    The irony of mental health organisations having as a figurehead someone deeply complicit in shattering the mental health of generations of Iraqis seems bleak. I recently made a formal complaint to Mind and their response is below, along with an appeal I have just submitted.

    If anyone felt like taking this up also, some key contacts are:

    Mind
    Chief Executive paulfarmer@mind.org.uk
    Chair of Trustees Ryan Campbell – r.campbell@mind.org.uk

    Sane
    Chief Exec Marjorie Wallace – mwallace@sane.org.uk
    PA to Marjorie Wallace – wendy.lilly@sane.org.uk

    Rethink
    Online complaints form: http://www.rethink.org/about_us/do_you_have_a_complaint/complaint_form.html

    As ‘Rippon’ says

    At last! – someone other than Blair being put under the spotlight. Blair was just one of the many in that war-criminal cabinet.

    Simple logic dictates that Jack Straw, Alistair Campbell and many others should also be hounded as much as Blair.

  105. More of the Aaargh Iran! crap propaganda from a Torygraph foursome this time.

    Iran’s ‘Plan B’ for a nuclear bomb
    Iran is developing a second path to a nuclear weapons capability by operating a plant that could produce plutonium, satellite images show for the first time.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9896389/Irans-Plan-B-for-a-nuclear-bomb.html

  106. @Cryptonym, 8:18am. 

    “Perhaps it is the other way around Jemand ..”

    Yes, you are probably right. I’ve got it all upside down. Here I was, quite wrongly as you explained, thinking that an idea developed by an intelligent philosopher was being used to inspire a gullible minority, managed by an even smaller violent group, to coerce a peaceful majority into political, social and intellectual subjugation. That, of course, could never happen without everyone seeing what’s going on and stopping it before tens of millions of people were to die. Unthinkable.

    And my friend, the outwardly peace-loving, anti-war leftie who used to rail against human rights abuses, was probably just a violent man on the inside looking for an outlet for his internal rage and aggression. He had no clue as to the peace and love that his faith actually teaches. Must have had one of those cheap, poorly translated copies of the Quran I heard were in wide circulation. I tell you what – all this learning stuff is dangerously misleading.

    Salaam!

    Islamic Friendship Society - 
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir

    Former Scientologist speaks out -
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRVfGMjdGh8

  107. Uzbek in the UK

    27 Feb, 2013 - 11:06 am

    Looking at the whole anti-Iran and anti-Syrian polemic in a bigger picture contest it is obvious that we are witnessing beginning of the end of unilateral world. US power is waning and new world order is coming to the existence. This is going to lead to the cardinal change in international system in all its aspects. The after WWII order that was tailored to suit unilateral US led order is no longer seem to be adequate.

  108. These 27 points would make humorous reading if the subject was not so serious.

    By As’ad AbuKhalil – Mon, 2013-02-25 19:20- Angry Corner

    Based on the coverage of Syria in US newspapers, it has become possible to identify certain characteristics of this coverage from Beirut.

    http://english.al-akhbar.com/blogs/angry-corner/how-cover-syria-beirut-lebanon

  109. Jemand

    Thank’s for that further info:

    http://www.independentaustralia.net/2013/politics/u-s-ambassador-lies-about-assange-on-qa-carr-stays-quiet/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=u-s-ambassador-lies-about-assange-on-qa-carr-stays-quiet

    which exposes again quite clearly that western politicians are little more than actors playing to a script written by corporate interests. This game is only possible so long as mainstream media remains dominant, hence the increasing attacks on whistleblowers and those who can master the new forms of communication.

    The key, as ever, is media and communication and whilst it’s important to continually expose the lies in western media more generally, nothing much will change until Americans wake up and reclaim their democracy, in both its representative and discursive forms.

    Anyway, just seen that oscar winning film, Argo. I’d read a lot about it, mostly criticism of its errors etc. and was expecting the usual jingoistic garbage. I was wondering what Clooney, Affleck and Arkin etc were up to – had they “sold out”. No. The film is overwhelmingly low key and passive, in form, and that’s the most important thing about it. It’s kind of boring and mundane, and not at all exiting. That it should win, over Bigelow’s war mongering torture porn effort is worthy of note. I’d imagine many old and young American teenagers will be wondering what the hell is going on.

  110. Snap, Herbie. I saw Argo last night and had more or less the same reaction as you.

  111. Thanks for the confirmation, Dreoilin

    I’d read so much that was negative about it from people with whom I’d normally agree, but I think they’ve just missed the point.

    It would have been nice to see Cloud Atlas up there too, but it seems to have had major problems at the distribution end of things.

  112. Jemand and anyone else considering seeing Argo, I recommend Juan Cole’s analysis

    http://www.juancole.com/2013/02/orientalism-upsets-iranians.html

  113. Fancy paying money to see it! Don’t. Please.

    Argo‘s Oscar Win: Hollywood’s “Coming Out”
    Soraya Sepahpour-Ulrich / February 26th, 2013http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/02/argos-oscar-win-hollywoods-coming-out/

    The most telling thing was Mrs Obomber announcing the winner.

  114. I could not bear to watch it. This is a review by one of the participants in last night’s BBC2 programme Iraq: 10 Years On.

    The Cutting Edge
    Nafeez Ahmed – Bestselling Author, International Security Scholar, Investigative Journalist on the Deep Politics of the “War on Terror” in the context of the Crisis of Civilization

    February 26, 2013
    Seven Myths About the Iraq War: How BBC Newsnight failed journalism on the 10 year anniversary of the invasion
    http://nafeez.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/seven-myths-about-iraq-war-how-bbc.html

  115. Adriana

    Juan Cole’s analysis is of history, not art. Argo is itself critical of US films of this type. That’s the point, really. It isn’t an examination of history, or identity. It’s primarily an examination of film.

    It is interesting though that so many people don’t seem to appreciate the difference.

    Despite what its creators have said about it in media, this is definitely one of those which has been snuck in under the radar, and I think in time that will become better understood.

  116. Herbie, 12.19pm

    “which exposes again quite clearly that western politicians are little more than actors playing to a script…”

    And prosecutors. And judges. From a report of Bradley Manning’s latest pre-trial hearing (in which the judge decided his trial had actually begun 910 days ago…):

    http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2013/02/26/in-plea-in-military-court-bradley-manning-to-explain-why-he-released-information-to-wikileaks/

    Morrow [US govt prosecutor] went over some of the portions in the statement that the government specifically objects to being read in court. One of them talks about “staying in contact” with Nathaniel and how Manning thought he was “developing a friendship.” They would talk about not only the publications WikiLeaks was working. He later realized he valued the friendship himself more than Nathaniel. (“Nathaniel Frank,” the name on the account the government has claimed was being used by WikiLeaks editor-in-chief Julian Assange, though no actual proof of him sending messages to Manning has been presented.)

    The judge asked how this would be prejudicial if he talked about it. Morrow said he couldn’t articulate why.

    First, the US government’s panicked objection to this section being read out by Bradley in the court room, then their refusal to explain why they objected indicates that it severely damages their Grand Jury case against Assange because the username ‘Nathaniel’ indicates that this ‘friendship’ Bradley Manning believed he had with his interlocutor (whoever that was) was entirely a subjective assessment from Bradley’s end of things. Nathaniel Frank, in real life, is a US Army veteran campaigner for Don’t Ask Don’t Tell – it’s therefore not a username that Assange would choose, I think, but rather the kind of username Bradley would assign at his end of the chat window. Names can be overwritten in chat windows (which also – for the conspiracy theory-inclined – means someone other than Bradley could have put that name there, too).

    And the ‘disinterest’ shown by whoever this person Bradley was talking to he called ‘Nathaniel’ indicates much more the way a journalist might engage with an anonymous source. If that becomes apparent from the statement Bradley reads in court on Thursday, or from the as yet undisclosed (and therefore forensically untested) chat logs themselves, the US government’s case of “conspiracy” to commit espionage or of Assange ‘soliciting or encouraging’ Bradley to commit crimes falls apart. They clearly HATE the idea that it might come out that Assange simply treated Manning as a source (and why wouldn’t he if he didn’t know the person he was communicating with from Adam? – Wikileaks deals with anonymous sources).

  117. Mary

    Having Mrs Obomber pronounce Argo winner, is quite a cute trick. It’s called irony.

    There’s a long history of people sneaking stuff past the gatekeepers. Argo is but one such example.

    I suppose this may be easier now that so many people seem totally illterate when it comes to art.

  118. Herbie I agree about the irony. It would be lost on most Americans however. Most could not place Iran on a map according to an American writer friend.

  119. @Herbie, 12:19pm

    Some good observations, tho’ I wouldn’t count on the US transforming itself anytime soon. I don’t expect their exclusionist system of government, restrictive voter registration and discouraging method of voting to change, absent of civil unrest. And when civil unrest looms, out come the National Guard. I think Chomsky described the US as a two faction, one party state. Given the fact that there are so many multi-millionaire congressmen and senators AND a very wealthy black president, it seems almost like there’s a conspiracy to run a military-industrial junta – a fascist state by any other name would smell as bad.

    Re Argo – my daughter, only an hour ago, told me she watched it today. How’s that for a coincidence? She enjoyed it as a movie, not as a faithful historical docu-drama.

  120. Mary

    Most Americans can’t place Wisconsin on a map either.

  121. Mary wrote – “Herbie I agree about the irony. It would be lost on most Americans however. Most could not place Iran on a map according to an American writer friend.”
    . . . . .

    Oh dear - 
    http://ourtimes.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/oecd-education-rankings/

  122. Uzbek in the UK

    27 Feb, 2013 - 1:50 pm

    What is more important is that most Americans do not care about anything else but their jobs and mortgages and being able to drive everywhere even to the supermarket. As do not most Europeans. Foreign policy in most of the cases is game for elites.

  123. @Uzbek In The UK

    Being properly informed of world events and issues requires an active, not passive attitude. Americans are denied access to information in the MSM and therefore need to be active in sifting through the bullshit and propaganda that litters the ocean of media that presents itself as “news and information”. Educated people are active seekers of quality information, the uneducated are fed propaganda. But the educated are also members, or aspiring members, of the ruling class which has strict codes of conduct that threaten to evict them if they don’t abide by the rules. People care, but they are held hostage by circumstances.

  124. PS – Craig cared, broke the rules and got evicted.

  125. Uzbek in the UK

    27 Feb, 2013 - 2:36 pm

    Jemand

    In general terms the theory that you outlined that it is easier to feed propaganda to uneducated people and therefore control their behaviour is true. But in certain cases it does not stand up to criticism.

    US citizens unlike many of its American neighbours in the south have comparatively good standard of secondary education and have access to the information. I have read some stats that there are more internet users in US than in the rest of American continent. So concerns with issues and with foreign policy in particular do not fall solely into educated/uneducated field. Concerns come with interests and interests come with bother. Thus apathy of Americans with foreign policy issues and with lives of UNamerican people can (to some extend) be explained with their other concerns and with trust in their democratic institutions. Most of Americans trust foreign policy to their government and they are certain that modernising role that US plays in troubled countries is a positive thing. After all government of land of freedom and opportunity could not be wrong when prescribing their modernising medicine to countries like Iraq or Afghanistan. One which was ruled by tyranny and another in almost permanent state of chaos. Go figure.

  126. This is so cruel! :) It was obviously made when John Howard was supporting Bush. Does the same lack of general knowledge apply here too?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ3RrqBqk14

  127. Uzbek In The UK

    Uneducated people might have access to information but that doesn’t mean that they have the knowledge to recognise it’s significance and make sense of it. That’s what makes them uneducated. I can’t imagine too many uneducated, low income Americans spending what little free time they have reading Craig’s blog and similar websites when there is a glut of infotainment and porn websites competing for their attention. The US is awash with information and a whole bunch of establishment commentators ready and available to steer them in the ‘right’ direction. Being poor, depressed and tired is not “apathy”. It’s an unhappy reality of being a member of the bottom 50%.

  128. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    27 Feb, 2013 - 5:01 pm

    Well, I followed Mary’s advice and didn’t watch last night’s Newsnight….and from what I’ve heard from others I’m glad I didn’t. And I agree that a rehabilitation process is underway. Bliar for President of the EU provided that the UK stays in.

    Re. Gus O’Donnell on an efficient bureaucracy – well, perhaps he was just saying it, but of he believed it then the lack of imagination and historical perspective shown by Britain’s former top civil servant is worrying : an efficient bureaucracy is the pre-requisite for a well-functioning state (this is where the direct link is)but that state could be a mature democracy or a vicious dictatorship or anything in between.

  129. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    27 Feb, 2013 - 5:09 pm

    @ Jemand (16h56) : agree! What follows is not cant but Kant :

    “Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-incurred immaturity. Immaturity is the inability to use one’s own understanding wuthout the guidance of another. This immaturity is self-incurred if its cause is not lack of understanding, but lack of resolution and courage to use it without the guidance of another. The motto of enlightenment is therefore : Sapere aude! {Dare to be wise! }. Have courage to use your own understanding!

  130. Mary, re your link to the Chaser, prior to an Australian election they did similar pieces in Australia. With each a stupid answer, the clip was stopped and a big label was slapped across the interviewee’s face ‘This person VOTES’.

  131. “Does the same lack of general knowledge apply here too?”

    I guess it depends on whether you mean the UK or this blog.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_mkwB9ayK4

    It’s not hard to edit a video survey to make people look stupid.

    I discovered a SHOCKING FACT the other day – 50% of people have an IQ less than 100!!

    http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/iqtable.aspx
    . . . .

    @Adriana – Thanks for the link, still reading in between tasks.

    @Habbabkuk – Thanks.

  132. “I discovered a SHOCKING FACT the other day – 50% of people have an IQ less than 100!!”

    That means that half the population are below average intelligence.

  133. “That means that half the population are below average intelligence.”

    No, it means half the population are below the median value that is arbitrarily set at 100. It’s not quite the same thing. But you already knew that, being well above the median yourself.

  134. I was, of course, being ironic. But more importantly, and more relevant to what I was saying above, is that you can eliminate around half the respondents of a survey aimed at gauging intelligence, and present the remainder as being incredibly stupid to hilarious effect, as Mary ably demonstrated with her link.

    Unfortunately, many of these sub-100s are exploited for commercial and nefarious political purposes and this factors into another comment I posted on this thread. With one madman, one hundred henchmen, one thousand thugs and a million followers, you can take over a country. Just wait and see history repeat itself.

  135. “I was, of course, being ironic. But more importantly, and more relevant to what I was saying above, is that you can eliminate around half the respondents of a survey aimed at gauging intelligence, and present the remainder as being incredibly stupid to hilarious effect, as Mary ably demonstrated with her link.”

    I think in any survey you have to reckon it is the opinion of people too stupid to avoid people with clip boards in shopping centres.

  136. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    27 Feb, 2013 - 10:07 pm

    @ Fred :

    I’m rather surprised to hear you disparage, a contrario, people who reply to people with clipboards making opinion surveys as you are a very prolific commenter here on this board and obviously delight in making people aware of your opinions, be they never so wrong-headed and crass.

    (Feel free to lash out with a few “fucks” and “shits” if it would help)

  137. “(Feel free to lash out with a few “fucks” and “shits” if it would help)”

    I see a couple of mates of yours made the front page.

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/306174160902709248/photo/1

  138. Jemand
    “Is it possible for an atheist to be indifferent to or supportive of a religion where, in many sympathetic interpretations of its holy scriptures, it appears to incite violence against him?”

    Many people negotiate their way round cities full of fast-moving vehicles without being overwhelmed by the danger of being mown down. That is because there are designated areas of safety for pedestrians. This is the same as reading the Qur’an. Allah has created a system of nurture both outside our bodies and within them. He has launched planet earth within range of the warmth of the sun and set its course so that even the broke among us like myself can survive the worst extremes of winter with our boilers broken, and with cool nights to balance the roasting days of hot countries.

    He ahs placed in our human capacities the five senses and hearts capable of sophisticated logical assessments that we call intuition, passions that inspire us to empathise with other human beings, and joy in our relationships with other human beings. He has given us a piece of hard-drive that can comprehend His different omniscient, omnipotent nature to our own.

    In the context of those blessings punishments are only prescribed to those who reject or deny even their own selves and the rahm/ mercy of our own existence. When did you last stop to think about breathing? When did you thank God for allowing you to regulate your own bladder without concentrating it full-time? Punishments are prescribed also for those who do injustice to others, such as one country like ours showering another with warfare while maintaining every system of order at home. You cannot put Blair in prison, but he is on the conveyor belt to Hell. Are you not grateful that there is a moderator over us? Have you short-changed your own soul by rejecting the moderator when He has only placed us here for a very short time, solely to be put on trial?

    If you have an objection to the religious authorities, find the evidence against them and speak! You are free to disobey them if they are not serving God in the correct way while they are serving the people as rulers. If they are wrong, in Islam you have a right to question the rulers. I condemn the Saudis for using politics and cash to maintain a false superiority over the rest of the Muslims, for instance by inciting war in other Muslim countries which they do all the time. I speak against the Muslim Brotherhood which makes an alliance with the enemies of Islam and spies on its own people to bring false witness against them. I condemn Sufi and Shi’a and Christian and Sikh for direct violation of the guidance of the Qur’an.

    It is a very poor excuse to find fault with human beings as a justification for not believing in and worshipping your Creator. Since when were you ordained to be so perfect that you are better than your forefather Adam, who was tempted by the fruit of the tree in Jannat? You were given a heart to fight for justice and to have patience with those who oppose that fight.
    Vested interests of the greedy will never leave the people of justice alone. The world is being challenged by a very hungry megalomaniac collaboration of neo-colonial greed, so-called Salafi religious power and Zionist denial of the truth of the Qur’an.

    If you fight that menace of the New World Order, which comprises these three megalomanias combined, Allah will send angels to assist you, inshallah. Look at the Syrians with children in tents, waiting patiently for the USUKIS Saudi funded savages to leave their homes, when everybody knows that the US and Russia are funding Assad to bomb his people, so that the US can put their puppet Muslim Brotherhood in power in Damascus. Look at the patience of these people. When the US tries to put a Syrian Morsi in power, they will never accept him/her because they know that real Islam is not a colonialist version of Islam. Please don’t give up on God because of the deviance of humans.

  139. Guano,

    Thank you for your comment. Nicely written, but I disagree. I think you might have even helped me prove some points, but that depends on the reader. 

    I should explain that while I profess to be an atheist, I am in fact deeply committed to God. But my God is not the same God as described in the holy scriptures of the Torah, Bible and Quran. My God is the Universe and my religion is Science. The holy priests of my religion are not all pure of heart. Some do the work of evil and give us false prophecies – “Satanic Verses” you could say. Climate change deniers have been accused of being false prophets but my religion forbids us from killing them. Instead, false prophets are peer reviewed and excoriated, then ridiculed on late-night TV.

    So I regret that our repective faiths will find little common ground. Especially when your faith clearly states that my people must be proselytised or killed in the event of our refusal to submit.

    But I can see from your words that you are a good person, a faithful Muslim and a worthy soldier for your cause. The UK will, quite possibly in your lifetime if you are a young man, join the Muslim world, but not without bloodshed. The process of finding God, or of being sternly taught his message is often fraught with conflict, both internal and external. 

    I wish you safety and peace in your journey.

    Salaam.

  140. Uzbek in the UK

    28 Feb, 2013 - 12:09 pm

    Jemand

    When one has access to the information and was educated well (comparatively) one’s ignorance with the foreign affairs should not be treated as excuse of being in the bottom 50%. Compare the worst school in US and the best public (state) school in Uzbekistan and you will get what I am talking about. But at the same time most Uzbeks can name you neighbouring states, their presidents and many could even tell you something about states far away and even speak their language (English for instance). I bid most of Americans could not name even one state that borders Mexico or Canada (including those who live in these states) or tell you names of Mexican President or Canadian Prime Minister.

  141. Uzbek

    You do realise that half the population has an IQ below 100, don’t you? Some people don’t want to face the reality that people are born unequal. In my experience, that makes them incapable of thinking too far beyond the most mundane of issues. It’s not arrogant to be aware that you’re smarter than half the population and to then get frustrated when they cannot understand what you talk about.

    But why should they care about national borders and international affairs anyway? They’re not running the country and barely even managing to run a household sometimes. They probably don’t even vote. How does that pay the rent or feed their kids? Many of these people are destined to flip hamburgers and mop up vomit in toilets for the rest of their lives. 

    The problem here is that Europeans think that Americans are noticably more stupid than anyone else. That’s a pretty bold notion. With more than 300 million people, how can anyone get a valid impression from limited personal experience? When you read the stats, you see winners and losers everywhere and Americans are no different. We should be reserving our irritation for those in power who, despite having been born into a life of privilege and immense wealth, are all too obviously stupid. People like George W. Bush and Dan Quayle spring to mind.

    I should also point out that, for a bunch of retards, Americans are significantly over-represented in Nobel prizes, scientific discoveries, inventions, aerospace, military might.. I’d go on but I think you get the picture. If anyone had said the same of Africans, there would be justifiable howls of protest and a few accusations of racism. Vilifying ordinary Americans as dumb is, however, acceptable for some reason.

  142. Uzbek in the UK

    28 Feb, 2013 - 2:27 pm

    Jemand

    IQ test result is not reflection of intellectual perfection. Is more a reflection of certain skills such as ability to resolve certain logical tasks. It happens that in some cases people who have high IQ results are not perfect thinkers or bright minds at all. It could be a cleaner or, as you put it, vomit mopper.

    Now, as I understand you are trying to link American ignorance with foreign policy issues to their poor education and them being in lower 50%. I am not claiming that everyone must know geography or politics but person with general education (8-11 years at school) should be able to name at least bordering countries or be concerned with global events (at least those where his government and military are involved). I bid that if Uzbekistan was at war with Iraq or Afghanistan or was making claims that Iran is national security threat to Uzbekistan most of Uzbeks would be concerned with what sort of countries are these and where they are located. Even when US/UK started war in Iraq a lot of Uzbeks were concerned with this. You could hear a lot of opinions from different people, taxi drivers, market traders and so on – people far from the establishment. And this is because people were concerned and were bothered.

    You are right to claim that US produced more Nobel Prize winners than all other nations put together and this itself supports my argument that generally Americans are well educated and those who want can develop their knowledge beyond average and even beyond that. And that ignorance or majority comes with their no bother with non-Americans and their preference with more vital (for them) issues such as jobs, mortgages and having cheap gas to be able to drive to the nearest supermarket or drop their kids to a school. Is this a racist thing? I do not know. But this is certainly something to do with the Anglo-Saxon mentality that Americans inherited and further developed.

  143. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    28 Feb, 2013 - 4:45 pm

    @ Fred :

    any comment from you on your own use of a blogging/commenting technique which you have criticised others for using (see above comments)?

    ******

    La vita è bella, life is good! (and easy if youy’re inconsistent)

  144. Habbabkuk (La Vita È Bella!)

    Solve this to defeat spam:

    2 + two = [ 5 ]

  145. Uzbek et al.

    A problem that I have observed here and elsewhere is the conflation of description and advocacy. When you submit a comment that describes a terrible situation, there is often an arrogant expectation and sometimes an obnoxious demand that you explain your personal feelings or political sentiments regarding that which you describe. The demands aren’t always a blunt interrogation, they can be sarcastic or derogatory remarks about your motives for commenting that hint for a reply.

    Some posters will frequently include a declaration of approval or, more usually disapproval, in their comments with an emotional adjective to make clear to readers how they feel. I have done this myself despite an effort to avoid doing so – preferring to focus on analysis. But for regular commentators, it can be about alliances, enmity and the politics that abounds thereof. Some will even slight you for your suspected leanings. It’s a very primitive demonstration of human nature.

    Related to this problem is another one that conflates description with personal preference or wishful thinking. Sometimes, when we discuss topical issues, we mangle what we believe to be true with what we wish to be true. As a result, we tend to overuse use the word “should” to indicate a preferred outcome instead of an expected outcome. Expressing personal preferences is quite different to exploring what is and isn’t true.

    In relation to the subject of general knowledge amongst individual, ordinary Americans, it might be reasonably desired by you and me that they all inform themselves of the truth and participate in healthy social and political activities. However, it is not reasonable of either of us to demand or expect them to do so. Life is complex and we all have our reasons, good and bad, for doing and not doing what we do. I am not advocating for American ignorance. I was describing, somewhat sympathetically, the probable causes for it among those are demonstrably ignorant. You have declared that those causes are “no excuse” as if we have any say in the matter. Unless we know any Americans who might be responsive to our influence, then I suggest that we do not have any say. We are both outsiders looking in and all we can do is sit back and observe, share notes and propose solutions as intellectual exercises.

    I think the following link explains the subject of my comment in further detail -

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normative#Philosophy

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  147. Great blog post thanks for posting

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