Preparing to Bomb Syria

by craig on June 14, 2013 10:34 am in Middle East

Quite simply I do not believe the US, UK and French government’s assertion that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons against rebels “multiple times in small quantities”.  Why on earth would they do that?  The claim that “up to 150 people have died” spread over a number of incidents makes no sense at all.  In a civil war when tens of thousands of people have died, where all sides have been guilty of massacres of scores at a time, I cannot conceive of any motive for killing a dozen or so at any one time with the odd chemical shell.  It makes no military sense – chemical weapons are designed for use against population centres and massed armies.  They are not precision weapons for deployment against small groups.

Why on earth would the Assad regime use a tiny amount of chemical weapons against tiny groups of rebels, knowing the West would use it as an excuse to start bombing?  It makes no sense whatsoever.  Cui bono?

The Russians have described the evidence as fabricated, and on this one I am with the Russians.

It is of course no coincidence that this humanitarian motive to start bombing Syria  arises just as the tide of war turned against the rebels, and the government forces are about to move on Aleppo.  I suspect now we will see massive NATO force intervention, with huge air to ground destruction of the government forces all over the country to “defend” Aleppo, just as we saw hundreds of thousands killed and whole cities destroyed in Libya to “defend” Benghazi.  Whose people showed their gratitude by murdering the US Ambassador.

It is a further fascinating coincidence that this coordinated western switch of policy happens immediately after the Bilderberg conference.  An analysis of which of the corporate interests there stand to gain in Syria might be a fascinating exercise.

There were two main reasons the tide of war turned against the rebels.  Firstly, Hizbollah’s decision to enter the war on a large scale was provoked by the Israeli Air Force’s massive attack around Damascus, a fact the mainstream media has managed to hide completely.  Secondly, at Turkish urging, the rebel forces had diverted much of their energies to attacking the Syrian kurds.  This opens the interesting question of what the American client Kurds of Iraq will make of their patron sponsoring the massacre of their brethren in Syria.

Finally, chemical weapons are a terrible thing and their use should be  condemned unreservedly.  But where was all this Western outrage and activity when the Israelis were pouring down white phosphorous and kicking and maiming thousands of women and children in Gaza?

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  1. It also means we aren’t talking about snooping – Obama gets himself into hot water and diverts attention to a foreign location. Very old gambit.

  2. Lauris Kaplinski

    14 Jun, 2013 - 10:45 am

    I still cannot believe that West will risk starting a new Cold War with Russia. The latter has got quite vocal that it will not allow its interests to be ignored anymore.

  3. The White House is obviously lying, but it is trying to regain the initiative from the Russians and Chinese in the Middle East, thanks to all the spying they have engaged in, especially Beijing.

    Looks like we shall have a war soon which reminds one of Vietnam.

  4. You know, I was at Watford on Saturday, and someone I met there was wondering why Craig Murray wasn’t there too, giving one of the speeches alongside Michael Meacher (and David Icke). The event needed more credibility.

  5. So well said Craig and as you say on sarin, cui bono.

  6. Hey Lauris,

    It is more than a Cold War that the NATO Bully Boyz are risking, it is fight that could easily escalate into WWIII. Syria has treaties with both Russia and Iran. Russia has already said that the NATO evidence is “fabricated”. Yes, it appears that NATO is willing to risk WWIII to put al Qaeda in power in Syria. What a heck of a noble cause to start WWIII!!!!!!!

  7. Why on earth would the Assad regime use a tiny amount of chemical weapons against tiny groups of rebels?

    Terror. Also, he undertook at the outset not to use them against Syrians, but there are more than a few foreign fighters involved. Sorry to be devil’s advocate, but he’s not a nice guy, and that would fit.

  8. Straw and Dore Gold on Radio 4 Today this morning who follow on from a commenter on the Iranian elections.

    Worth a listen to hear Straw speak some truths about Israel and their activities in the region, their nuclear weapons and Palestine. Has Mr Straw been on a road to Damascus?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22902292

    14 June 2013

    Polls have opened in the Iranian presidential election.

    The six candidates to replace Mahmood Ahmadinajad are all conservatives, although one of them, the cleric Hassan Rowhani, has suggested he wants to re-engage with the West.

    Special correspondent for the BBC Persian television service Kasra Naji, told Today programme presenter John Humphrys that Mr Rohani is a significant candidate in the elections:

    “We are talking in these elections about Mr Rohani. He is the choice of the opposition in Iran. Today the question in Iran is whether people will go out on mass to vote for him, to tip the balance against the regime, against the hard-liners.”

    “Mr Rohani has promised to steer the country towards moderation so a lot of people expect him to change the course of Iran.”

    Former Labour foreign secretary Jack Straw explained that America demonised Iran by claiming it belonged to the so-called “axis of evil” but he said the West must do business with Tehran:

    “The Iranians are incredibly difficult to negotiate with. I think we have to understand why. Because they have been so humiliated by the West. But there isn’t any concrete evidence, any smoking gun, that their lack of cooperation with the security council over their civil nuclear programme equals clear evidence that they have or are developing a nuclear weapon.”

  9. On the current rush to aid the Syrian terrsts, Gilad Atzmon argues:

    “Debka, an Israeli news outlet provides the answer. Seemingly, the Syrian army is winning on all fronts. Israel’s military and geo-political calculations are proved to be wrong.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/07/israel-is-losing-in-the-syrian-war/

    while Timothy Bancroft-Hinchey applies for a job at Fox News:

    http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/04-06-2013/124739-syria_western_terrorists-0/

  10. LOL @ Herbie. LOL even more at Tim (“Zhurnalist”) Bancroft-Hinchey, formerly Pravda’s most off-the-wall columnist. And I’ve LOL’d so long and often at Debka, the Israeli misinformation site, that a couple of tiny lulz is all I can manage.

    That said, it is entirely possible that Assad is winning. But if Atzmon is citing Debka, there’s something wrong with Atzmon.

  11. More slaughter coming soon in our name.
    .
    From Medialens:
    “….our own inherent goodness which can only find its highest expression in the form of aerial bombardment.”
    .
    Full text at:
    http://www.medialens.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=735:limited-but-persuasive-evidence-syria-sarin-libya-lies&catid=51:alerts-2013&Itemid=202

  12. I am not LOL at any of what is happening Komodo. We are in a very dangerous situation and I am fearful.

  13. @Tim Hoddy

    14 Jun, 2013 – 10:45 am

    I should have read the comments before rushing to my keyboard. Thanks. I see now you beat me to it with the Medialens link. They are always worth a read.

  14. Komodo, I think Atzmon is more a philosopher of Jewish identity than a military strategist.

    You’re right though. His article is very very second hand, and the other lad is so very 70s.

  15. Craig you have nailed this in one. America needs Sarin gas outrage so it will get Sarin gas outrage and will act in its own interest as usual. Your analysis on the use of gas pokes so many holes in the reported use of gas and really makes a mockery of the whole situation. Well done for linking Gaza and the use of white phosphorous as it has been forgotten very conveniently
    Israel is lurking in the wings and will no doubt sneak a few attacks (anonymous) in on Syria as and when the world is looking the other way. As for reliable reporting, not much around. Thanks for keeping the blog up to date on this

  16. Craig (or anyone else) – do you have further information about the Israeli air raids on Damascus being key in Hezbollah’s decision to intervene in a more prominent way?

  17. Adrian I was at Watford too and thought it had a lot of credibility but I agree it would have been good to see Craig Murray on the platform. However getting on that stage would not have done his foot an iota of good so I guess it was as well he stayed away.

    “Finally, chemical weapons are a terrible thing and their use should be condemned unreservedly. But where was all this Western outrage and activity when the Israelis were pouring down white phosphorous and kicking and maiming thousands of women and children in Gaza?”

    Not to mention the use of white phosphorous and depleted uranium in Iraq by NATO forces. As to the lies of governments, like the poor, they are always with us. This video contains some good evidence not just that the Boston marathon was a false flag incident but that the US has been planning such false flag episodes for fifty years.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0aBZ2codFI

  18. I am by nature optimistic and happy. The lottery of life has dealt me a pretty decent hand. I am in my sixth decade and I’ve got a vegetable garden, my eyes, my arms, my legs and my bollocks; I have been lucky, I know it and I am grateful. But clearly someone, somewhere doesn’t like this, for I see the “news” about who we’re bombing this week and who is about to cop it (given roughly equal weight with celebrity boob-jobs, naturally) and I despair. I could almost cry for the people of Syria, Lebanon, The Balkans et al and wish that I could somehow put it all right. I feel the weight of a tremendous shame that the homicidal kleptocrats who are running the country I live in have nothing better to do than to interfere in other peoples’ civil wars and that there is absolutely nothing I can do about it. What is all this killing for? What does it accomplish? What is it even supposed to accomplish?

  19. “We are in a very dangerous situation and I am fearful.”

    I’m not fearful, Mary. But I am absolutely disgusted that they may yet pull off another Libya in Syria. Despite all the stated opposition, and with fabricated reasons – as usual.
    They’ll dress it up as “responsibility to protect” although I doubt very much if they give a shit about Syrians dying, or how they die. All they care about is getting rid of Assad and then moving on.

    Has anyone asked, or will anyone ask, the White House to produce their evidence that Assad has used Sarin??

  20. “Information that the United States has given Russia about suspected use of chemical weapons by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s forces “does not look convincing”, president Vladimir Putin’s senior foreign policy adviser has said.”

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/russia-says-us-claims-of-syrian-chemical-arms-use-are-unconvincing-1.1428653

    No surprise there

  21. Herbie: There is some doubt about Hinchey’s real existence. My impression is that he is two or more old Soviet propagandists, one possibly Irish. The only other Bancroft Hinchey I could ever find, with or without the hyphen, was an engineering firm in Sussex.

    Flaming – rather than cry….

  22. Has anyone asked, or will anyone ask, the White House to produce their evidence that Assad has used Sarin??

    Probably. And the answer was probably this:
    “We looked at some pictures the Israelis sent us”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/24/world/middleeast/israel-says-syria-has-used-chemical-weapons.html?ref=world&_r=1&

  23. @Dreoilin

    “All they care about is getting rid of Assad and then moving on”.

    I do ask myself, “Why now?” Didn’t they use Assad to provide them with secret prisons and torturers?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/05/cia-rendition-countries-covert-support

    I clearly don’t know enough on this one …

  24. Those bedtime stories of a Disney type world governed and navigated by superpower America told by grandpa ‘bonesman’ Prescott to Dorothy’s fav little boy George were exciting to him and instilled an early lust for power and domination.

    National Archives REVEALED Senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. That joint venture bought and shipped millions of dollars of gold, fuel, steel, coal and US treasury bonds to a technically superior Germany, both feeding and financing Hitler’s build-up to world war.

    Britain’s request for assistance against the Nazi war machine would set back the Bush dynasty’s contrivance back by seventy years.

    In later years this neurotic obsession with supremacy and superiority would propel George Herbert Walker Bush to seek a victory after the crushing defeat in Vietnam.

    A ‘new pearl harbor’ would be required to pick up the pieces and restore America to dominance.

    With insider knowledge Herbert Walker Bush would assembly the blocks for war in the Middle East, the reserve of America’s depleted energy resources after peak oil.

    Saudi would support the terrorists, Israel and deception would provision the explosive technical resources and American’s own military would be betrayed by the first African American in a position of power, Colin Powell.

    TBC. I am indebted to a great American activist and friend, David Swanson who has cut a path through the semantic fog of fear and control.

    If Syria and then Iran fall the chains of world slavery will be secure for another hundred years

  25. Israel backs both sides. Their philosophy is not Divide and Rule, it is Rule and divide. They rule governments by manipulating economies and blackmailing them and they rule individuals by torturing them and hardening them to the sufferings of others.

    The target is Islam itself. All of the problems of the Muslims comes from the Muslims who think they can win in the game of Israeli Roulette. Russian roulette means you die if you lose, or have to take your clothes off. Israeli roulette is where the high stakes come from loss of National institutions for everyone, where the individuals playing, gamble to sacrifice everyone else.

  26. Thanks for that, Komodo.

    Let’s hope that the US shock jocks and the Fox clowns undermine themselves in a similarly desperate fashion.

  27. Alan Campbell

    14 Jun, 2013 - 1:19 pm

    Bilderburg? Hilarious, Craig. Do you often hang out with David Icke and Alex Jones by any chance?

  28. Israel backs both sides.

    Correct. It backs Assad against the Sunni fundamentalists, and it backs anyone who will play against Hizb’ullah. Currently, I think, it tends towards Assad because after it all goes completely pear-shaped in Syria, chances are it will have to work rather hard to keep Golan, while Assad preferred not to make Golan an issue. Russia has expressed an interest in having its peacekeepers under the UN flag, on the Golan border. There’s going to be another point of confusion if Israel, rather logically, agrees, and its pawns dissent.

    As promised earlier, William bloody Hague opines right on cue:

    http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/britain-agrees-with-us-that-syria-regime-used-chemical-weapons-113061400662_1.html

    No need to recalibrate my crystal ball, then.

  29. For anyone wanting an example of a real hero combating the Bushes et al., read the interview on CNN of Christopher Boyce, the young CIA agent who tried to put them out of business by telling the Soviets how they were getting rid of Gough Whitlam’s government in Australia.

    If somehow they had succeeded in getting rid of the thugs running Washington, the country would not have been ruined by all those imported drugs, the world would not have experienced all those assassinations, especially those of the Popes, John Lennnon, and Olof Palme, and the USSR would still be in business.

  30. A quarter of the federal budget goes to the Pentagon. War is business.

    Everything now depends on how Russia/Iran/China react to direct US involvement. Scary stuff.

    If the clock is ticking, I would put the time at June 14th 1939.

    Syria is on the menu. It’ll be served up as haute cuisine, or carbonised grits, but served up it will be.

  31. “I clearly don’t know enough on this one …”

    They got Caspian oil as far as the Mediterranean through Turkey.

    Now they want to take it to the Red Sea through Israel.

  32. If the peoples of the US, France, Britain cannot restrain and assert sane civil control of their armed forces – air forces particularly – and compel them to disengage, to mutiny and to refuse collectively to co-operate with this and unsettle their own governments, then the next best thing course of action would be mitigation of the human cost of certain nuclear retaliation by urging the good people of London, Paris and Washington to get as far out of town as they can, taking with them whatever tents, foodstuffs and other necessities for their short-term survival as is practicable. Though nowhere is assuredly safe and the aftermath for survivors might be worse than the instantaneous annihilation of staying put, the chance of these cities particularly being smoking ruins by tea-time, is high.

    I suppose once a leader and much of government including the supposed ‘opposition’ become war criminals such as Cameron, Obama, Hollande and Netanyahu, following in each case the path of their predecessors, there should be no delay in removing them to custody after the initial breach, inaction simply invites, guarantees further outrageous crimes.

  33. “If the peoples of the US, France, Britain cannot restrain and assert sane civil control of their armed forces”
    They’re too busy buying “Help for heroes” T shirts. Brainwashed.

  34. @Fred

    Thanks … have done some of the reading …

  35. Alan Campbell

    Sorry I forgot. They meet simply to discuss the tea and biscuits.

  36. I think a neutral country (if such exists) between participating air bases and Syria, should make airports and runways available and open for RAF, French and US pilots who refuse to commit outright criminal acts, to land their planes safely, find sanctuary and return back home to their families with their honour intact and their consciences untroubled.

  37. “The assessment is further supported by laboratory analysis of physiological samples obtained from a number of individuals, which revealed exposure to sarin.” – Ben Rhodes, US Deputy National Security Adviser

  38. “Cameron backs US assessment on Syrian chemical weapons use” http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jun/14/syria-cameron-backs-us-chemical-weapons

    Interesting they’re not using the WMD label, got burnt on that last time.

    Heaven help NATO/US if Syria gets the S-300 missiles.

  39. “The assessment is further supported by laboratory analysis of physiological samples obtained from a number of individuals, which revealed exposure to sarin.” – Ben Rhodes, US Deputy National Security Adviser

    Doesn’t tell you who used it though.

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    saving Craig the effort: pre-deleted comment

  41. “Everything now depends on how Russia/Iran/China react to direct US involvement”

    My guess is that Russia and Iran in particular will quietly welcome the opportunity to try out their military hardware against the very foe it was designed to repel.

    Peter Kemp: according to Assad the S-300s have already been delivered.

  42. “The assessment is further supported by laboratory analysis of physiological samples obtained from a number of individuals, which revealed exposure to sarin.” – Ben Rhodes, US Deputy National Security Adviser

    I hope they observed the appropriate procedures in Tel Aviv. Can’t be easy in Syria’s climate to keep samples fresh for analysis….and the residual phosphonic acids disappear quite quickly, I believe.

    OP insecticides are rather similar to Sarin. Here’s what you have to do to diagnose them if Fluffikins keels over after eating her flea collar:

    https://www.addl.purdue.edu/newsletters/1998/summer/organos.html

  43. CNN December 2012

    “The United States and some European allies are using defense contractors to train Syrian rebels on how to secure (?) chemical weapons stockpiles in Syria, a senior U.S. official and several senior diplomats told CNN Sunday.

    The training, which is taking place in Jordan and Turkey, involves how to monitor and secure stockpiles and handle weapons sites and materials, according to the sources. Some of the contractors are on the ground in Syria working with the rebels to monitor some of the sites, according to one of the officials.”

    http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/09/sources-defense-contractors-training-syrian-rebels-in-chemical-weapons/

    Not forgetting the reports that Turkish police apprehended ‘rebels’ with 4lbs of sarin?

    “The daily newspaper Zaman reported that “the al-Nusra members had been planning a bomb attack for Thursday in [the Turkish city of] Adana but that the attack was averted when the police caught the suspects. Along with the sarin gas, the police seized a number of handguns, grenades, bullets and documents during their search”.”
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35150.htm

  44. ‘Whose people showed their gratitude by murdering the US Ambassador.’ This a sweeping remark showing little understanding and knowledge of what is going on in Libya.

    After the ambassador’s death the people of Benghazi came out en masse to express their disgust at his murder. Showing great courage they swept one of the militias out of the city.

    It’s not known who killed the ambassador. Neither the US or the government of Libya have really tried to investigate properly. It’s my belief that the US has made a deal with the Muslim Brotherhood and their sponsor, Qatar, in which they gave recognition to Israel in return for US support in their takeover of Arab countries. Obviously this deal is hidden from the Muslim Brotherhood’s rank and file otherwise they’d desert the organisation in droves.

    In Libya now the state of instability is caused by the the Muslim Brotherhood’s thirst for power using any means. The deaths of 31 Benghazi residents and severe injuries to many others were caused by a Muslim Brotherhood militia. The regular bombing and assassinations are attributed to them.

    With regard to the death of the ambassador I think it’s possible there was some kind of dispute over the weapons the militias were collecting for the US to be sent to Syria through Turkey. I believe there was a weapons storage facility at the back of the US consul and that the attempt to get the arms led to the ambassador’s death. Because the US was allied to the Muslim Brotherhood, there was no US intervention and the US didn’t want to be seen arming the Syrian rebels.

  45. Contents of comments deleted by Craig above: Powerpoint.
    1/ NHS staff, like the police, read reports/ stuff written about you by MI5 and try to wind you up.
    2/ We now know from the Israeli deployment of Iraqi Shia forces in AlQusayr why Israel told Bush / Blair to invade Iraq.
    3/ The representatives of political Islam in US (like Mursi) and London and the West (like Belhaj) have been in the game of Jihad/Islamic politics a long time. Their definition of Jihad is not the same as the jihad of the Qur’an. They have been hardened by torture into accepting the odd million deaths of innocent civilians.
    4/ The bombs that are going to rain down on Assad are part of a deal by which political Islam will gain an Islamic Sunni state scrubbing out borders between western Iraq and Syria, Israel will gain control over parts of Syria on its Northern border under a NATO sponsored Security vice-regency/protectorate, and Iraq will lose Kurdistan to Eastern Turkey as a separate Sunni state of Kurdistan.
    5/ The promises of the Israelis will not be delivered in good faith, because Allah has told us in the Qur’an that they will never help the Muslims have power at all. Above all, the demonstrations in Turkey have been about the imminent handing over of territory to the Zionist alliance, which the Turkish people have been forced for so long to defend with the loss of thousands of lives.

  46. “Not forgetting the reports that Turkish police apprehended ‘rebels’ with 4lbs of sarin?”

    Not forgetting either that Israel was caught with ten tons of the stuff when an El Al 747 crashed at Schiphol airport in 1992.

  47. Ah….memory lane….

    http://www.zombiesoup.net/2012/04/sarin-nerve-gas-cover-up-and-israel.html

    …every Sunday evening a mysterious El Al cargo flight routinely touched down at Schiphol en route from New York to Tel Aviv. These flights were never displayed on the airport arrival monitors and the documentation for the flights was processed in a special, unmarked room. Unlike other Israel-bound flights, the cargo on these flights was not subjected to tests in a buried vacuum bunker (designed to trigger bombs set to explode at high altitudes).

    On January 29, 1999, Dutch Attorney General Vrakking testified that the El Al security detachment at Schiphol was a branch of Mossad.

    On February 5, a Dutch Air Guidance Organization employee told the hearing that the “policy” since 1973 was to keep quiet about all El Al activities. Schiphol workers testified that El Al planes were never inspected by customs or the Dutch Flight Safety Board.

    Worth resurrecting, zombiesoup guy. Well worth it.

  48. White phosphorous is a banned weapon, but not a banned chemical weapon. It was banned under the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (1980), not the Chemical Weapons Convention (1992). And, while Israel has admitted using it over a populated area, which is forbidden, the country maintains that it was used primarily as an illumination, not a weapon, and there is no evidence to the contrary. Just as Syria has plenty of other weapons to use, so did Israel. White Phosphorous isn’t even particularly effective as a weapon of war.

    Also, as for Bilderberg, grow up. These people don’t need a convention in Watford to agree upon a war.

  49. None of the above need surprise us unduly: everything’s under control. Whose control?

    http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/10953

    Oh. That’s ICTS, as in Heathrow, Gatwick, Belfast…..

  50. And, everybody, it’s spelled ‘phosphorus’, as my old chemistry teacher never tired of reminding us. ‘Phosphorous’ is an adjective referring to its lower oxide and derivatives thereof.

  51. I think shadowy puppet-masters are emboldened by the public’s apathetic response to the Libyan intervention. People learned from the Iraq War that it didn’t make a blind bit of difference what they said or thought. It was going to happen anyway. Libya started off as a ‘no-fly-zone’ but within days all pretence had been abandoned and the BBC were talking openly about regime change. And no one said anything. The same is going to happen here. After months of saying there will be no ‘boots on the ground’ in Syria, there will be boots on the ground. What are we going to do? Have a big march?

  52. Boots on ground Mawjooda/already there my dear.

  53. ….the country maintains that it was used primarily as an illumination, not a weapon, and there is no evidence to the contrary.

    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/1/21/1232561961477/White-Phosphorus-001.jpg

    Makes it look just like broad daylight, does phosphorus. Magic stuff.

  54. As for Bilderberg, you grow up, all confederates think that they can legitimise their evil/illegal plans by meeting together.

  55. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    14 Jun, 2013 - 3:51 pm

    All weapons of war are brutal and indiscriminate in their slaughter. Add depleted uranium to the list. It may even be more genealogically disruptive than Agent Orange with more long-term damage due to it’s origins. “Depleted’ is an oxymoron.

  56. “We have no reliable, corroborated reporting to indicate that the opposition in Syria has acquired or used chemical weapons,” said US Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications Ben Rhodes, earlier today. Does the NSA call the shots in the White House now? It’s down to a fucking press officer to start World War 3!!

    Perhaps Rhodes should have spoken to the Turkish anti-terror police who caught al Nusra with the stuff last month, or to Carla Del Ponte who was slapped down for saying the heart-eating animals had been using it.

    Lying bastards to the left, lying bastards to the right…

  57. Tantalising little websnippet here:

    http://spot.colorado.edu/~chernus/NewspaperColumns/Israel/MSNBConIsraelWMD.htm

    Predictably, the crucial link has been 404′d.

  58. Flaming June

    14 Jun, 2013 - 4:01 pm

    Agent Cameron is live on BBC World Have Your Say on ch 80

  59. Are you sure that’s not meant to be ‘spelt’?

    Yesterday listening to Patrick Coburn talking (s**t) to Philippa Thomas on Radio 4, he paused to carefully pronounce ‘an horrific…’.

    If we speak it right we must be in the clear!

  60. Three cheers for Vladimir Putin. He has disputed the claim about Assad’s government having used sarin gas, drawing a line in the sand about a future armed conflict with Washington over the matter.

    Suspect that Obama will back down – just like Erdogan did with the park protesters.

  61. I hope you’re right, THF — I haven’t finished my bunker yet…

  62. A war between the west and a much weakened USSR, i mean Russia, would get rid of all those annoying unemployed folk, and make a lot of money for the right people.

  63. Juteman, you mean — Tonight I’m gonna party like it’s 1939?

  64. Flaming June

    14 Jun, 2013 - 4:18 pm

    Are the Syrian people going to experience some ‘kinetic military action’ in Syria just as the Libyan people did?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Rhodes_(speechwriter) -

    ‘Rhodes euphemistically described the United States’ military involvement in Libya as “kinetic military action.”‘

    ~~

    The BBC have edited their version of the story thus.

    Ex Medialens.

    BBC deletes reference to opposition WMD in Syria
    Posted by Peter on June 14, 2013, 2:50 pm

    Hey all.

    Just stumbled upon this article from BBC about US waging war on Syria: Original article archived here:
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2381179

    In the original article, there was this sentence: “Mr Rhodes, a deputy national security adviser to Mr Obama, said the US had no “reliable” evidence the opposition had used chemical weapons.”

    That has been deleted in the current version:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22899289#TWEET788962

  65. Spelt:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelt

    Fos – for- US. Not Fos-for-AUS. M’kay?

    And you can stuff Webster’s Dictionary, too. Sulfur? I don’t think so. Not while the bastards still use US gallons.

  66. From the LA Times:

    “Where do you come down on Syria? Take our unconscionably unscientific poll, leave a comment or do both!

    By staying the course. This is a no-win situation for the United States. 72.31% (1,144 votes)

    By arming the rebels. 4.55% (72 votes)

    By arming the rebels and establishing a no-fly zone over Syria. 11.57% (183 votes)

    By arming the rebels, establishing a no-fly zone and providing advisers on the ground. 11.57% (183 votes)

    Total Votes: 1,582″

    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-syria-chemical-weapons-red-line-20130613,0,1384006.story

    Not that it matters one fig!

    Another War. More food for the military-industrial complex.

    America’s usual terms of endearment to the world.

  67. Flaming June

    14 Jun, 2013 - 4:26 pm

    The connections between Libya and Syria.

    Why Did CIA Director Petraeus Resign? Why Was the U.S. Ambassador to Libya Murdered?
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-did-cia-director-resign-why-was-the-u-s-ambassador-to-libya-murdered/5311311

  68. “And, everybody, it’s spelled ‘phosphorus’, as my old chemistry teacher never tired of reminding us.”

    Useful, Komodo. I have paused over that word many times.

    “Three cheers for Vladimir Putin. He has disputed the claim …”

    Any source for that? I can’t find it anywhere.

  69. @Mike.
    Sadly, very similar.

  70. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    14 Jun, 2013 - 4:49 pm

    Yes, Komodo. My English teacher had a bun on about the diff between simile and metaphor; a distinction which is not made often enough.

  71. Terror. Also, he undertook at the outset not to use them against Syrians, but there are more than a few foreign fighters involved. Sorry to be devil’s advocate, but he’s not a nice guy, and that would fit.

    Assad is winning the war, and he does not need to use poxy amounts of “WMD” to terrorise anyone. Further, the mercenaries masquerading as “rebels” in Syria have wreaked so much havoc that most of the Syrian population are now backing Assad, and if there were an election tomorrow Assad would get at least seventy five percent of the vote.

    Back to ye olde “Assad is not a nice guy” which begs the question show me a nice guy in the politics (best not start going down the road of torture and murder; Baha Musa sodomised by a broom shank and left with a busted rectum to die a slow and agonising death, renditions, Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, …… etc millions of dead Iraqi, and thousands of Afghans, Libyans, …… were carried out by which regimes?) and the Western democracy to compare him with?

    However the inconvenient facts pointing to the “rebels” somehow do not get much of corporate media attention: 12 people from Syria’s al Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front

    several Turkish newspapers had reported that 12 people from Syria’s al Qaeda-linked al-Nusra Front who allegedly had been planning an attack inside Turkey and were in possession of 2 kg (4.5 pounds) of sarin, had been detained in Adana.

    The “rebels” have everything to gain from, implicating Syrian Army in the use of “WMD” (Chemical Weapons) which in turn will facilitate the “no fly zone” ie bomb the crap out of the Syrian Army and its defence infrastructure, whilst special forces are leading the mercenaries in the ground attacks, and call it a victory for the “people of Syria”.

    Russians will not allow anyone to turn Mediterranean basin into a private lake for the US, and coalition of the coattail hangers. The Russains have already arranged and placed a permanent naval detachment in the Mediterranean Sea, as well as beefing up this detachment by diverting their Aircraft carrier to the area. further Putin reportedly in a private meeting is quoted;”even if the fighting gets to the outskirts of Moscow, it is worth hanging on to Syria”. This is further corroborated by the fact that in his visit to Germany whilst the Western Media were hollering about “Russians are on board on Syria”, he (Putin) pointedly asked; “Where (which country) do we go after Syria?”

    This stance of Russians has spawned the usual crap on tap passed as news to disseminate, as in the following; Why Russia Will Almost Certainly Back Down In Syria :

    “Should the ‘red line’ of chemical weapon use be crossed, I think Russia will just want to be completely removed from the situation, and make sure that they retain influence in a post-Assad Syria,” Ingrid Pederson, an expert in Near East and Russian geopolitics, told Business Insider.

    “Russia is very self-interested and continuing to back Assad at this point does nothing for them and in fact could hurt their image with those who may come to control Syria after Assad falls,” Pederson concluded.

    Ingrid Pederson an outstanding student of the Homer Simpson school of international relations and diplomacy, thus passes such an infantile “expert view”, about the current phase of the US struggle for supremacy over the planet (all of the evil bastards somehow end up with dreams of world domination as in the PANC declarations).

    Fact that US can no longer deliver the bite as per her barks ought to leave no doubt in anyone’s mind that, there will not be a “no fly zone”, and “troops on the ground” in Syria. Russians, and Iranians will not let Syria to fall, and the “new middle east” to be constituted. The kaleidoscope shaking and barking orders are by gone era, and the new reality is; There are new sheriffs in town.

    Finally, given that the opponents have actually working armies that can deliver a nasty kick back, and in the event of the use of any nuclear weapons, Russians stand a far better chance of survival than the US et al, we can safely assume that banksters know they have little alternative other than backing down and going back to the drawing boards. World domination will have to wait for another time.

  72. This could be the US starting to supply the same level of equipment the UK already is = not a lot of change.

  73. It’s on ABC’s Page One News, and I also saw it either on The Guardian or CNN.

  74. I will say frankly that what was presented to us by the Americans does not look convincing…. It would be hard even to call them facts,” Russian President Vladimir Putin’s Foreign Policy Adviser Yuri Ushakov said in a statement on Friday.

    Russia dismisses ‘unconvincing’ US claims

  75. For the US/UK, it is all about control of oil/gas in the eastern Med. The Zionists want Israel to replace the Arab states are primary supplier of oil/gas for Europe. This was discussed at the 2012 Herzliya conference (BP reps were present). The theme was ‘if oil went to $250 a barrel, should Israel keep or sell its oil/gas?’ What sort of things would make oil/gas go to $250 a barrel? War with Iran and the closure of the Persian Gulf would be a good start.

    Interestingly, in the early days of the Syrian debacle, Israel offered sanctuary to the Alawites, who happen to be based on the Syrian coast. Israel has prevented Gaza exploiting its own oil/gas by refusing transit except at very low prices. Cyprus was taken down so it is in no position to dictate trms over oil off its shore. Turkey seems to be taking itself down, courtesy of Erdogan’s hubris, so they may end up in the same state. The spoils go to the last one standing!

  76. Flaming June

    14 Jun, 2013 - 6:01 pm

    A comment from a former British Ambassador to Syria which was reposted from the Guardian under an article in Open Democracy dated 21.4.2013
    http://www.opendemocracy.net/mohammad-al-attar-odai-al-zoubi/syria-revolution-or-civil-war

    ‘I was British ambassador to Syria from 1976 to 1979. I intensely disliked the Ba’ath party and most of the ministers who formed the government then. So I have no bias towards the Ba’ath and the president who took over from his father. The trouble is that most of the reporting from Syria comes from sources stationed among the insurgents, who include, for example, the Jabhat al-Nusra, which has just declared its loyalty to al-Qaida, and extremist Sunnis opposed to the Alawites, the president’s sect, and have anti-democratic and anti-western views. They don’t enjoy support from minorities like the Christians and the Ismailis.

    At last the Guardian has a man in Damascus and can report the regime’s version. Ian Black (15 April) is sensibly cautious. His account of the bombing which damaged the central bank clearly suggests that the bomb came from the insurgents; and more frankly he says that another bomb, killing 80 people, exploded near a Ba’ath headquarters and was blamed on Jabhat al-Nusra. Why our government can help the French to fight al-Qaida in Mali and simultaneously send assistance to its supporters in Syria is difficult to understand. We should be neutral and keep far away from the Syrian struggle.
    James Craig
    Standlake, Oxfords
    Published in Guardian/ Syrian blog ; April 21

  77. Flaming June

    14 Jun, 2013 - 6:19 pm

    Q. Is Obomber’s red line the same as Bibi’s?

    http://images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com/157948_5_.jpg

  78. Is this all, to use Yoggi Berra’s infamous words, a case of “deja vu all over again”?

    Clinton bombed the aspirin factory in Sudan claiming it was used to manufacture chemical weapons, in order to distract attention from Monicagate. Is Obomber doing the same to deflect attention from Snowdongate? Starting WWIII seems a little over the top, but he does seem to have a thing about taking out whistle blowers. And blowing up a mere factory is so last century!

  79. @Alan Campbell
    14 Jun, 2013 – 1:19 pm
    “Bilderburg? Hilarious, Craig. Do you often hang out with David Icke and Alex Jones by any chance?”
    .
    Wow! Thanks for such a well reasoned refutation of the Evil Craig. And there was I almost thinking he had a point.
    .
    Now that you have entertained with the exercise for Chapter 1: “Conformity Enforcement in the Playground”, I’m sure you must be attracting a growing crowd of fans to comments in keen anticipation of your next gem.
    .
    As for the reminder, ( I think it was Indigo. Thanks) that Syria used to be a popular destination for the popular Rendition Torture Breaks. Well why should our protectors continue with that old tradition when the latest fad is simply to blow up suspected enemies (and the 48 or so people who happen to be nearby) with drone missiles? Well I suppose exporting democracy was never going to be painless.

  80. Like most folk, I thought the BBC was reasonably fair.
    Since the Scottish independence issue reared its head, my eyes have been opened.
    As I actually live here, I see first hand their propaganda and lies. My fellow citizens are seeing the same.
    I now know first hand that the BBC tells lies, and I now doubt anything they say about world events.
    How I wish I could go back to being blind and sedated.

  81. Cue Fred.

  82. Surprised we’re all still here.

    Obviously the threat to arm the rebels will make not a blind bit of difference on the ground, as the rebels are already abundantly armed to the tooth (singular) with everything ‘the west’ can supply them with, and they’re still having the stuffing knocked out of them by the Syrian Army, who’re the object of the free and thinking world’s admiration.

    This oh so familiar artificial ‘arming the rebels’ moral quagmire however persists in the media, with even objectionable hawks mulling it over in full pretence of sincerity, and a rare few cautioning against it in the interests of synthetic balance, with as many would-be doves going the other way, again affecting not to know that the ‘rebels’ want for nothing except ability, fundamental human decency and a cause worth a tinker’s curse.

    The end result then looks like Syria rebuilds (perhaps Quatar and the rest could be compelled to fund this by reparations) and the Golan Heights are recovered by Syria from the occupying Israelis and the waterways in the Golan region which have been diverted into Israel resume their natural course. Lebanon too could probably recover its territory in the south of the country, which is a wide buffer zone, UN controlled but notably on Lebanese and not Israel/Palestinian country, any new buffer zone the international community might wish to implement being taken from Israel/Palestine, would probably include the port city of Haifa, which was and still is part of the post-1948 Palestinian state, ethnic cleansing by Israeli racist mass-murderers notwithstanding. The Kurds, those perennial losers in history, for siding with the west will still not have a state, with neither Turkish, Iraqi, Iranian or Syrian borders changing any but with some unsatisfactory degree of autonomy within contiguous parts of Iraq and Syria minor but containable irritant to Iran and Turkey where Kurdish identity is secondary. The Israeli balkanization plan for the region then fails spectacularly, Israel is weakened, shrunken and its water scarcity problems acute.

  83. Surely you must be an anti-Semite for talking sense, Cryptonym?

  84. Kibo Noh 6.58pm,

    I wouldn’t worry about Alan Campbell.He appears here every 3 or 4 weeks,only ever to drop a one line troll-barb at Craig.He never contributes to the debate just always a personal little dig at Craig.

    He’s stuck in a playground in his little head but i guess it keeps his line manager from getting in a right tizzy.

    And that frightens people like Alan Campbell because basically his type are cowards.

  85. OT: I’m sure everyone here would like to wish Rupert Murdoch the best divorce proceedings money can buy.

    http://money.cnn.com/2013/06/13/news/rupert-murdoch-divorce/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

  86. Craig, your last line about Israeli use of white phosphorous was exactly what I was thinking when I heard the news on the radio about the US claims of Syrian use of chem weapons. It’d be good if this point were raised more widely in the indy media.

  87. Jives

    14 Jun, 2013 – 8:01 pm
    .
    “….cowards.”
    .
    Yes. When I read that post I got such a vivid memory from schooldays of the playground bulling that tormented anyone different, weaker or smarter than the herd. It never won an argument as far as I can remember, and on the rare occasion that a victim snapped and gave his tormenter a bloody nose the coward(s) would flee and find a more docile victim.
    .

    Maybe we are witnessing such moment now in Syria right now and the biggest bully of all is throwing shapes but unsure about administering the usual aeriel punishment because too many of the other kids in the playground have found him out. I hope for the sake of the Syrian people that I am correct. I’m so so sick of seeing people being protected or liberated by being blown apart.

  88. Phil Daniels

    14 Jun, 2013 - 8:41 pm

    “It is of course no coincidence that this humanitarian motive to start bombing Syria arises just as the tide of war turned against the rebels, and the government forces are about to move on Aleppo.”
    I had noticed that too.

  89. @ Flaming June, 14 Jun, 2013 – 12:11 pm
    I think your fearfulness is justified. The danger potential is notching up all the time. I’m tired of people wrongly identifying “War xyz” as being WW3, but, it’s possible WW3 will be ‘slipped into’ as we are seeing here with Syria, and if I’m right that means we are already in WW3.

    However, I wound advise people NOT to underestimate Russia and China’s gore voyeurism. They don’t seem to give a damn about foreigners being slaughtered and foreign countries being obliterated, in fact I view them as lip-lickers thinking about the ‘opportunities’ it will create. Russia will NOT engage in war on behalf of anyone.

  90. Yonatan
    14 Jun, 2013 – 8:14 pm

    Or do you mean wish the ‘Tiger Wife’ that she mauls him for at least half his deep pockets and some more for having to live with such an evil man.

  91. The Israeli balkanization plan for the region then fails spectacularly, Israel is weakened, shrunken and its water scarcity problems acute.

    Very true. The singular failure of ziofuckwits in their calculations has been the false narrative these have invented, and verily believe in.

    The on going wave of murder and destabilisation has been swamping the mid east, and littering the area with hundreds of thousands of corpses strewn around in its wake. These violent deaths are evidently the “pangs of birth” of a new mid east. This new mid east is akin to the old mid east with even more regressive and brutal suppression of the people of the area, all in the way of supporting the banksters, and loan sharks of the City.

  92. “Vladimir Putin’s Foreign Policy Adviser Yuri Ushakov said in a statement on Friday.”

    Yes thanks, Fedup, I think I had posted that at about 12.40pm. But I thought from Trowbridge Ford at 4:04 pm that there was a quote from Putin. Apparently not.

    “Ushakov warned that providing such assistance could derail efforts to convene a Syria peace conference.”
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russia-disputes-us-claim-syria-chemical-weapons-19400071

    I was watching QT last night, and when the question arose about arming the “rebels” not a singe one of the panel thought it was a good idea. Unless I sneezed and missed it. Everyone was agreed that it would only prolong/increase the bloodshed – and George Galloway, in response to suggestions that it would “get Assad to the negotiating table” insisted “he’s already there”.

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/bbc-accused-of-question-time-shock-jock-punditry.1371136255

  93. Flaming June

    14 Jun, 2013 - 9:22 pm

    O/T Happy Father’s Day tomorrow to Craig and all the Dads here.

    If only Daddy Barak and Daddy Cameron would remember that ‘No child should be harmed’ and all their mates who are Daddies that are now involving themselves in planning for war.

  94. “They don’t seem to give a damn about foreigners being slaughtered and foreign countries being obliterated, in fact I view them as lip-lickers thinking about the ‘opportunities’ it will create. Russia will NOT engage in war on behalf of anyone.” — lwtc247

    Funny, that’s how I see the U.S.

    A former advisor to McCain was on Channel 4 News with Jon Snow (who is in Tehran) and he said (I paraphrase) “That’s the problem. How to arm the rebels without – I thought he was going to say, ‘without even more people dying’ – further harming the interests of the United States.”

  95. In reply:-

    ” It is of course no coincidence that this humanitarian motive to start bombing Syria arises just as the tide of war turned against the rebels, and the government forces are about to move on Aleppo. I suspect now we will see massive NATO force intervention, with huge air to ground destruction of the government forces all over the country to “defend” Aleppo, just as we saw hundreds of thousands killed and whole cities destroyed in Libya to “defend” Benghazi. Whose people showed their gratitude by murdering the US Ambassador.”

    The UK and US have been and remain – imperialists!

  96. Correct Mike, right on the bulls-eye considering the current proliferation of training and testing of SLBM’s with interlocks removed and the nuclear arming and propulsion sequence waiting on coordinate lock.

    I hope Edward Snowden will do the thing. The secret is in his glasses..

    Will the UN find chemical weapons evidence in Syria? Unquestionably and evocative of the distant Colin Powell assertion of ‘mobile labs’ in Iraq to build biological weapons.

    A simple fall-out shelter can be a hole in the ground covered with logs, plastic sheet and earth. Two ten gallon water containers and some salt might also ensure survival.

    Finally after entering, remove all clothing as sweat evaporates and cools more effectively on bare skin.

  97. ‘The Art of Lying’

    Looking back at the lies told by BushCo before the attack on Iraq (video)

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35277.htm

  98. this humanitarian motive to start bombing Syria arises just as the tide of war turned against the rebels, and the government forces are about to move on Aleppo.

    Not only Aleppo, but also Halab and Homs too. The huffing and puffing of US is a bluff, and in reaction to Hezbollah announcing their intention to help the Syrians. Despite the huge amounts of money poured in by the Saudi, and Qatari despots, and seemingly an endless supply of mercenaries supplied by Erik Prince (Blackwater), including the recruits from Europe, (UK too, that somehow are not stopped by the SIS, we can assume these recruits to be “good tayyyrrrreerrists). These efforts have come to naught and Syrian Army is making progress and kicking these hired and armed mercenaries out.

    Fact is Syria is not Libya, and those at the receiving end of the dirty tricks and psyops, have understood the modus operandi of the US and toadies, therefore Syrians will in all probability speed up the clean up of their country from the terrorists and mercenaries.

    Any ideas of bombing Syria and declaring no fly zones are pipe dreams and wet dreams of the chicken hawks, because this time around the Syrians are not alone and Russians and Iranians will not let the Syrians fall. Those simpletons believing the Russians’ self interest dictates their withdrawal from their (Russians) current position have clearly not understood the importance of the Mediterranean basin, and the US determination to choke off any access to this resource rich area (and the defence/offence importance of the said basin). Russians have been rolling on their back and playing possum for long enough, and now they are ready to stand their ground.

    The coming G8 meeting will clarify the Russian and Chinese positions, pretty quick. Bilderberg can plan all they want, however life is not as predictable as it used to be, and the proponents of the secretive group are no longer in a position to rule the roost as freely as they used too.

  99. A simple fall-out shelter can be a hole in the ground covered with logs

    Duck and Cover

  100. “Authority has always attracted the lowest elements in the human race. All through history mankind has been bullied by scum. Those who lord it over their fellows and toss commands in every direction and would boss the grass in the meadows about which way to bend in the wind are the most depraved kind of prostitutes. They will submit to any indignity, perform any vile act, do anything to achieve power. The worst off-sloughings of the planet are the ingredients of sovereignty. Every government is a parliament of whores. The trouble is, in a democracy, the whores are us.”

    P. J. O’Rourke

  101. Why do really wise people never seek prominent positions such as the one held by the prime minister? Those positions seem to be reserved for those with high intelligence and sizeable ego.

  102. BrianFujisan

    15 Jun, 2013 - 1:32 am

    Great post Craig

    it would indeed make no sense for Syrian forces to use chemical weapons in islolated small areas..

    However, there seems to be much evidence that the west’s rebel thugs have used Sarin

    GENEVA (Reuters) – U.N. human rights investigators have gathered testimony from casualties of Syria’s civil war and medical staff indicating that rebel forces have used the nerve agent sarin, one of the lead investigators said on Sunday.

    The United Nations independent commission of inquiry on Syria has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons, which are banned under international law, said commission member Carla Del Ponte.

    “Our investigators have been in neighboring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated,” Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television.

    “This was use on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities,” she added, speaking in Italian.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-05-05/news/sns-rt-us-syria-crisis-unbre94409z-20130505_1_chemical-weapons-sarin-syria

    That the country buys all this, After the Iraq and Libya Lies – Brainwashed absolutely

  103. Let’s put this in perspective. Obama is making Putin look reasonable. I’m not fooled by his man fighting bear, man catching sharks, man making love to gymnasts schtick – Putin isn’t a nice guy, and has seriously didgy friends. However, he appears to be wisdom itself compared to Obama.

    This Obama bloke, he really is a curious cat. What his administration is doing, quite publically, and with zero shame, is arming lunatics. Now, this used to be done on the sly, but now appears to be official policy. And the reasons for this policy remain deeply mysterious to this poster. I genuinely struggle to understand why anyone can rationaly justify a policy of arming lunatics. Oh look here’s a bunch of guys who maim, torture, kill babies, and throw acid into people’s faces, wouldn’t it be a swell idea to arm them to the teeth? This argument escapes me. I put it down to language. In the corridors of power, the language is different. Much is unsaid, and much bullshit is said, and thus all of them fool each other. But that’s a guess.

  104. Flaming June

    15 Jun, 2013 - 6:48 am

    Sorry to be a day early for Father’s Day!

    Arise Sir Michael Hintze. Not for services to the Tories and the Fox/Werritty Atlantic Bridge, but ‘for services to the arts’!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hintze

  105. Flaming June

    15 Jun, 2013 - 7:57 am

    No words.

    June 15 2013

    ‘Syria’s rebels want democracy – so we should be helping to arm them’

    Tony Blair has flown in from Jerusalem. With his immaculate white shirt, navy suit and light tan, he is part of the international elite, as close to Richard Branson as Bono. His offices, opposite the American Embassy in Grosvenor Square, are all cream carpets, oriental rugs and orchids; far less shabby than No 10. The only sign that he was once Prime Minister of Great Britain are his silver Union Jack cufflinks.
    …..

    There is a large posed photo of him too with a caption ‘At times, Tony Blair would love still to be the Prime Minister — “usually when I forget what it was like”.

    The rest is thankfully behind the paywall of the soon to be divorced Murdoch.

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/middleeast/article3791680.ece

  106. If anyone wants a differing view on what is going on over in Syria, check out:

    http://syrianperspective.blogspot.de/

  107. Video evidence from the alleged sites and footage of the supposed victims undermines Cameron and Obama’s unsubstantiated case that chemical weapons have been used by the regime – http://wp.me/p1w0fz-KY

  108. Think about it logically: there can be no peace conference with Syrian “rebels” still on the rampage- that would expose the completely cosmetic nature of the “opposition” coalition. So the “rebels” must be defeated first but Obama cannot be seen to be leaving them hanging out to dry and nor can the coalition leaders turn up to a conference with their own supposed base having been openly betrayed.( They have insisted on more weapons or they won’t turn up) Hence Obama’s decision to do what he had already been doing via Turkey and Qatar, now sidelined. He doesn’t actually have to deliver any weapons and once “rebel’guns have been silenced the conference can go ahead. The alternative is to launch WW 111 in defence of “poor little Al Qaida”. Which option do you think he’ll choose?

  109. Alex Thomson is not impressed either.

    http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/syrian-spin-claims-red-line-crossed/5028

    For some reason they’ve sent him off to Fukushima, where he was yesterday. I wonder why??

  110. Sarin Gas Use Doubted
    Experts Don’t See Evidence

    McClatchy Washington Bureau

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35294.htm

  111. there can be no peace conference with Syrian “rebels”

    But of course! With numbers of “rebel” groups hanging around 1600, yes that is one thousand and six hundreds of disparate groups out on a jolly; fighters high on best Moroccan hashish, and doped with Afghan pure stuff, blowing the crap out of anything and everything in the name of “……” (fill as applicable dependent on the group affiliation).

    Further, think of the cost of stamps and faxes alone. Craig cannot get his GP to fax his referral to a hospital, and you expect these sixteen hundred letters and faxes in triplicate to be sent out to all the “rebel” groups? In the austere times that we face everyone needs to do their bit, and Syrians have just to man up and take their share of austerity too! It is cheaper to let these “rebel” fight than stop them you see.

    Syrian Peace conference is a misconstruction of “Syrian Piece Conference”, in which every participant wants a piece of the action, and if Assad does not attend, it only shows his mendacity and awful lack of generosity in letting the participants help themselves to Syria.

  112. Behold a ‘peace’ envoy; can you perceive any love in those eyes? Can you sense harmony in this man’s words?

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair-urges-britain-to-help-america-arm-the-syrian-rebels-8659991.html

    Agent Cameron’s response to Blair’s fatal ‘shot in the dark’ is more cautious. So it should be.

    The United Nations has testimony that Syrian terrorists rebels used sarin gas:

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-05-05/news/sns-rt-us-syria-crisis-unbre94409z-20130505_1_chemical-weapons-sarin-syria

    I also have evidence for Carla Del Ponte. That evidence will be placed under agent Cameron’s nose and the world immediately after he scams the British people into arming terrorists in Syria.

  113. by the way

    Demonstration in Hong Kong in favour of Edward Snowden

    http://news.sky.com/story/1104023/whistleblower-edward-snowden-hong-kong-demo

  114. I thought Carla Del Ponte of the UN said there was strong evidence that it was the Islamist rebels who had been using chemical weapons? That piece of news seems to have been buried. Perhaps then, on the logic presented by NATO et al, NATO should be bombing the rebels? What’s happening is quite obvious.

  115. “After months of saying there will be no ‘boots on the ground’ in Syria, there will be boots on the ground.” King of Welsh Noir.

    I agree with your post, from which this quote has been lifted. But of course, there are almost certainly deniable boots on the ground already – US/UK/French Special Forces, who are deployed (and whose deployment is denied) wherever covert murder and mayhem are deemed necessary. What you meant, I think, may be “official boots on the ground”.

  116. This risks blowing out into a much wider regional war. Perhaps that is one of the strategic aims: Smash ‘n’ grab, then smash ‘n’ grab again. Old story. 10 years of wondrous ‘Western Humanitarian Intervention’: Sum total:Iraq: Fucked. Libya: Fucked. Syria: Fucked. Iran…?

  117. technicolour

    15 Jun, 2013 - 3:16 pm

    Suhayl: yes. Have you read ‘The Shock Doctrine’?

  118. No, Technicolour, but I’ve heard of it and have read summaries/reviews of it. Would you recommend it?

  119. technicolour

    15 Jun, 2013 - 4:30 pm

    Oh yes. Despite the fact that it makes you feel sick to your bones. It clearly shows that the Chicago School doctrine of neoliberalism/conservatism – Friedman’s economic ‘shock doctrine’ – has to be based on disasters and upheaval, either natural or created. So with Pinochet, they helped create a monster who carried out their financial theology through mass murder and torture; and this happened in China and Argentina, and elsewhere. It really is terrifying that the ‘Chicago Boys’ are behind all these regimes (and also took over the IMF and World Bank, turning them into the antithesis of the stabilising organs originally envisaged by Keynes). I can’t really do it justice in this short summary (and am now reading about how the same thing happened to Poland) but it is interesting that the Guardian review at the time emphasised that Klein only uses real electric shock torture as a metaphor, for example, when she clearly shows that in order to get a population to submit to devastating economic practices of mass privatisation, wealth and land grabs and welfare slashes, torture and repression usually have to be used to subdue them – that the two are inextricably linked, in fact. The Guardian review also approvingly suggests that Klein exonerates the corporations behind this when she does no such thing. That’s why people should read the book.

  120. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    15 Jun, 2013 - 5:21 pm

    @ Suhayl :

    I wouldn’t bother. It is a badly written few hundred pages based on a very thin idea.

    You will of course do as you please, but I urge you to be cautious about read which our cher ami Technicolour recommends so glowingly. “By their friends shall you know them” and all that business :)

    Just to comment briefly on Techni’s “review”, above :

    1/. So the Chicago Boys were behind not only Chile but also Argentina…and China. I always wondered.

    2/. Poland – which Techni informs you he’s now reading up on – is doing reather well economically at the moment. The “shock” abviously didn’t work well there … or perhaps it never existed outside Ms Klein’s book?

  121. technicolour

    15 Jun, 2013 - 5:53 pm

    Argentina: under Cavallo “virtually all the country’s top economic posts were filled by Chicago Boys: president of the Central Bank was Roque Fernandez…vice president of the central bank was Pedro Pou, who had worked for the dictatorship..chief central bank adviser was Pablo Guidotti (IMF)…” (p 166)

    China: “Deng was enthusiastically committed to converting to a corporate based economy – so committed that in 1980 his government invited Milton Friedman to come to China and tutor hundreds of top-level civil servants, professors and party economists in the fundamentals of free market theory@ (p 185)

    Poland: the ‘Sachs Plan’ or ‘shock therapy’ advocated selling off the state mines, shipyards and factories..it was a direct clash with Solidarity’s economic programme of worker ownership…” “(Sachs) helped Poland secure some debt relief and $1 billion dollars to stabilise the economy but all of it, particularly the IMF funds, was strictly conditional on Solidarity’s submitting to shock therapy”….”According to the World Bank Poland has an unemployment rate of 20 percent, the highest in the EU…40 percent of young workers were unemployed…In 1989 15 percent of Poland’s population was living below the poverty line, in 2003 59 percent of Poles had fallen below the line”…”About 18 months in..Solidarity’s base had had enough…faced with more than 6000 strikes the government was forced to slow down its more ambitious privatisation plans…The fact that Polish workers managed to stop the wholesale privatisation of their country means that as painful as the ‘reforms’ were, they could have been far worse’.

    Obviously, it helps if you’ve read the book.

  122. Suhayl

    Ha ha yes, thanks for the clarification. I did indeed mean official issue boots as opposed to the plausibly deniable variety. Although the last time I saw the SAS in action in Iraq – that time they tried to shoot their way through a police road block and had to be busted out of gaol by some squaddies – they were dressed like Lawrence of Arabia. So maybe they were wearing Jesus boots.

  123. “The rest is thankfully behind the paywall of the soon to be divorced Murdoch.”

    Murdoch has mere to gain from the overthrow of the Syrian government than most, along with Jacob Rothschild he is a major shareholder in Genie Energy. Israel has already granted them oil rights in the Golan Heights, a bit premature, that’s still Syrian territory by law. Gasprom have bought a stake too.

  124. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    15 Jun, 2013 - 6:32 pm

    @ Technicolour :

    Well, funnily enough, I have read it. It ‘made’ Naomi Klein and also earned her a fair bit of money. Books with a simple idea – preferably of a ‘conspiracy’ nature and castigating dark, occult forces – usually sell quite well, I’ve noticed.

    On your quotations :

    1/. “Argentina: under Cavallo “virtually all the country’s top economic posts were filled by Chicago Boys: president of the Central Bank was Roque Fernandez…vice president of the central bank was Pedro Pou, who had worked for the dictatorship..chief central bank adviser was Pablo Guidotti (IMF)…” (p 166)”

    And? What does this tell us, apart from that “virtually all the country’s..etc”?

    2/. “China: “Deng was enthusiastically committed to converting to a corporate based economy – so committed that in 1980 his government invited Milton Friedman to come to China and tutor hundreds of top-level civil servants, professors and party economists in the fundamentals of free market theory@ (p 185″

    So? A lot of people these days seem to think that China’s doiung rather well economically, don’t they? Enough to be worried by it, even.

    3/. re Poland : I note that the latest year you mention is 2003. By my reckoning, that’s a decade ago. Would you like to tell us something – supply figures if you feel like it – about Poland’s economic performance and prospects today? (if you wish, you could also explain why a lot of the Poles who came to the UK post-2004 have gone back to Poland)

    In conclusion, beta double minus/gamma double plus – must do better!

  125. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    15 Jun, 2013 - 6:37 pm

    @ Suhayl

    I should also mention that the book is very long. Because the underlying idea is thin (there is in fact only one idea) this makes it an onerous and irritating read.

    If you must read it, for heaven’s sake don’t buy a new copy – there are already too many authors who have got rich by castigating the ‘money men’ and the rich.
    If you must , steal a copy from a charity shop (you’re sure to find one there…)

  126. technicolour

    15 Jun, 2013 - 6:38 pm

    Dear Habbakuk, I wondered where you’d got to. You might like to look at your original (?) points (?) to understand that I was providing answers to them (“but also Argentina…and China. I always wondered”…) You might also like to look at the answers (“The fact that Polish workers managed to stop the wholesale privatisation of their country means that as painful as the ‘reforms’ were, they could have been far worse”)…You know, that’s kind of how this stuff works?

    Fred, really? Have you got a link for the Israel granting rights bit? I’ll look anyways.

  127. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    15 Jun, 2013 - 6:43 pm

    “The rest is thankfully behind the paywall of the soon to be divorced Murdoch.”

    Many thanks to Mary/April Showers/Flaming June for reminding us of Mr Murdoch’s marital affairs, this is by far the most important thing we need to know.

    Thanks also to Fred for re-reminding us.

    BTW, I am married, Mary/April Showers/Flaming Junhe is a widow, and my post would be deleted by Jon if I were to hazard a guess as to what Fred is.

  128. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    15 Jun, 2013 - 6:48 pm

    Dear Technicolour

    And, of course, I’ve missed you too! I’ve always had a (very) soft spot for your way with cruel facts. You are definitely no Roundhead! :)

  129. technicolour

    15 Jun, 2013 - 6:52 pm

    NB the ‘underlying thin idea’ is Friedman’s – that an economy needs to be wiped clean – a tabula rasa – before the grail of a rampaging free market can be achieved. He coined the phrase ‘shock treatment’. Naomi Klein, of course, came to prominence with ‘No Logo’. And China, now, thanks to the brutal enforcement of Friedman’s ideas, is now the sweat shop of the world and spending more on quelling internal protests against its devastating corporate capitalism than it is on defence.

  130. I’m surprised Naomi gets any time to write books. She’s always out and about protesting about something or other.

    Perhaps she should just enjoy her money and lie about the beach all day, like Habby.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=naomi+klein+protest&oq=naomi+klein+protest&gs_l=youtube.3…1841.14809.0.15399.19.15.0.4.4.0.198.2501.0j15.15.0…0.0…1ac.1.11.youtube.sRKYPgvCFic

    But then, things are now so bad that even Jeffrey Sachs is all atonin…

    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/02/jeffrey-sachs-on-the-budget-do-we-really-have-to-have-our-own-egypt-here-in-the-united-states.html

  131. While we’re on the subject of Naomis, here’s another one who’s a bit too earnest for Catholic tastes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f0sBA61L0Y

  132. Would anyone know if chemical weapons have yet been used against the CHILCOTT ENQUIRY? And if so by whom?

  133. doug scorgie

    15 Jun, 2013 - 8:31 pm

    Abe Rene
    14 Jun, 2013 – 2:00 pm

    “The assessment is further supported by laboratory analysis of physiological samples obtained from a number of individuals, which revealed exposure to sarin.” – Ben Rhodes, US Deputy National Security Adviser”

    Are you trying to make a point Abe?

    If so, what is it?

  134. doug scorgie

    15 Jun, 2013 - 8:55 pm

    Nowt
    14 Jun, 2013 – 3:35 pm

    “…while Israel has admitted using it over a populated area, which is forbidden, the country maintains that it was used primarily as an illumination, not a weapon, and there is no evidence to the contrary.”

    Bullshit!

    White phosphorus is a highly efficient smoke-producing agent, burning quickly and causing an instant bank of smoke. It creates smoke screens to mask movement, position or the origin of fire from the enemy.

    Nothing to do with illumination!

    Nowt, ye know nowt!

  135. technicolour

    15 Jun, 2013 - 8:57 pm

    Sourcewatch on the National Endowment for Democracy and Syria. The link for the below is to a radio station, and I have to go out, so if anyone wants to check the details? Or perhaps I’ve missed something and they are widely known?

    Jeffrey Blankfort reports:
    [The NED] is currently involved in Syria where the Damascus Center for Human Rights Studies, headed by Radwan Ziadeh, has served as a front for its activities. Ziadeh is also the director of the Syrian Center for Political and Strategic Studies in Washington DC, and has served as a spokesperson for the Syrian National Council, an organization of Syrian living abroad who have been calling for Western military intervention in Syria, a move that has been so far opposed by the opponents of the regime within the country…to understand what is happening in Syria today it is necessary not only to consider the repressive history of the Syrian regime under Hafez El Assad, and now under his son Bashir, but also the outside forces represented by the likes of Radwan Ziadeh, that have co-opted what initially started as a peaceful non-violent protest for a democratic reordering of Syria society in the spirit of the Arab spring. Prior to the peaceful protest, those outside elements soon began to use them as a cover for armed attacks on government forces with the obvious intention of provoking the Assad regime with heavy military force, as it has – thereby leading for external demands for foreign intervention and the demand for Assad’s ouster. Who is behind it? Well, the US, the British, the French, the Turks, the Saudis, Qatar and Israel.[12]

  136. technicolour

    15 Jun, 2013 - 9:06 pm

    Latest from Turkey:

    From Gezi Park Istanbul.

    William Brandon Jourdan

    The police are attacking hardcore. They just beat me and sprayed me with orange gas from a water cannon. Im fine and my equipment is still working. I have no idea about others injuries. They’ve worked to stop ambulances. Please forward.

  137. Ben Rhodes, US Deputy National Security Adviser”

    This jumped up little tosser is a story teller. His efforts in trying to cover up the Benghazi US Embassy shoot out are stuff of the 1001 nights shit. This wanker only tells stories, and nothing else.

    Mark Golding has posted a link about UN investigations which points to the mercenaries use of Sarin.

    BTW Sarin or Mustard gas was first used in WWI, however this “cutting edge technology” apparently has just made it into the hands of the Arabs, which US wants to kill these days.

  138. doug scorgie

    15 Jun, 2013 - 9:53 pm

    Fedup
    14 Jun, 2013 – 9:10 pm

    “The singular failure of ziofuckwits in their calculations has been the false narrative these have invented, and verily believe in.”

    Yes, forsooth.

  139. Thanks June.

    We will indeed do our best for our nest and all the others in surrounding rookeries!
    For Farters day;

    This war on terror coukd so easily be a war to save the planet species and fauna.

    What a war that would be;

    Planting trees not freakin’ mines.

    Building WMC’s- weapons of mass conservation?
    Sad but true.

  140. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    15 Jun, 2013 - 10:16 pm

    @ Scourge (20h55) :

    “White phosphorus is a highly efficient smoke-producing agent, burning quickly and causing an instant bank of smoke. It creates smoke screens to mask movement, position or the origin of fire from the enemy.

    Nothing to do with illumination!”
    ____________

    Are you trying to make a point Doug?

    If so, what is it?

  141. Brendan
    15 Jun, 2013 – 3:44 am

    “Putin isn’t a nice guy, and has seriously dodgy friends.”

    Yes that is true but I think Putin is a President in control; Obama is a president under the control of others.

    In western “democracies” leaders are puppets of (unelected) state powers, like the security services for example.

  142. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    15 Jun, 2013 - 10:24 pm

    @ Herbie (19h12) :

    OBJECTION! I happen to be very active on the beach.

  143. Glad to hear it, Habby.

    John Hume was active on the beach too. Arrested by Paddy Ashdown. Funny old world.

    Anyway. I’d have said that it was No Logo ‘made’ Naomi Klein. No?

  144. Suhayl Saadi
    15 Jun, 2013 – 4:15 pm

    About Shock Dcoctrin

    “No, Technicolour, but I’ve heard of it and have read summaries/reviews of it. Would you recommend it?”

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
    15 Jun, 2013 – 5:21 pm

    @ Suhayl :

    “I wouldn’t bother. It is a badly written few hundred pages based on a very thin idea.”

    Suhayl, don’t take any notice of Halfahaddock. He will not have read the book because it would result in steam coming out of his ears!

    Read the book (576 pages) and make your own mind up.

    I would also recommend you read, if you have not already done so, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins.

    Again, make your own mind up.

  145. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
    15 Jun, 2013 – 10:16 pm

    “Are you trying to make a point Doug?”
    “If so, what is it?”

    Stop pinching my lines Havakebab, have you nothing original to say?

  146. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
    15 Jun, 2013 – 10:24 pm

    “I happen to be very active on the beach.”

    Don’t get sand in your foreskin Habbabkuk!

    If you have a foreskin that is.

  147. Pictures on Occupy Gezi facebook to substantiate:

    Emrah Guler

    LIVE FROM ISTANBUL

    Today, following Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s extremely sectarian, separatist, and fictitious speech in a rally in Ankara, around 9 PM, the Turkish police began attacking thousands of people who were at Istanbul’s Gezi Park and Taksim Square, having dinner, enjoying the tent city.

    There are kids under ages 4 or 5, mothers, and elders among those who were attacked with tear gas and water cannons. According to reports, police forced journalists out of Gezi Park. They are also attacking with water cannons to businesses such as Divan Hotel that has opened its doors to protestors running away from brutality. People are saying there are thousands of wounded inside the hotel. People formed a human chain in front of the hotel to prevent the police from attacking.

    Another report says that people cannot leave the hotel because police is arresting whoever leaves. Police are also attacking the makeshift infirmaries and taking into custody the volunteer doctors who are helping the injured. There are also unconfirmed reports that police shut down the metro and boats between Asia and Europe to stop people coming and joining the rest.

    Another report says that there is a jammer in the area to prevent TV stations’ broadcast. There are hundreds of wounded. There are a lot of missing kids, or kids who are separated from their families. Protestors are fighting with police in various parts of Istanbul, Sıraselviler, Cihangir, Harbiye, and most likely around Dolmabahçe and Maçka.

    Tonight’s most brutal attack came right before Prime Minister’s rally tomorrow in Istanbul. It is likely that the police will implant fake evidence as the journalists are forced out so that there won’t be any cameras or recording devices. People call it a total brutality, a real savagery that is going on tonight. What we are seeing an ugly war where only one side have weapons…

  148. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    15 Jun, 2013 - 11:31 pm

    @ Suhayl

    Sure, why not read it – just don’t spend good money on it.

    (576 pages – that’s more than several works of Marx put together.)

    Re the other one The Scourge recommended – I don’t know it, but again, why not? Might be better than “The Confessions of a window cleaner” (oh, sorry, that was a film, wasn’t it)

  149. Beachbumsback!

  150. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    15 Jun, 2013 - 11:34 pm

    @ Herbie

    “Anyway. I’d have said that it was No Logo ‘made’ Naomi Klein. No?”
    ______

    No.

  151. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    15 Jun, 2013 - 11:37 pm

    @ The Scourge

    “Don’t get sand in your foreskin Habbabkuk!”
    __________

    I’ll do my best not to, Dougie!

  152. technicolour (15 Jun, 2013 – 6:38 pm) asks:

    “Fred, really? Have you got a link for the Israel granting rights bit? I’ll look anyways.”

    Allow me, Fred:
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/02/israel-grants-oil-rights-in-syria-to-murdoch-and-rothschild/

  153. Can we get back to business? Who benefits from destabilising Syria? What has the attack on Turkish protestors got to do with US Chicago school neoliberalism? Occupy Syria Facebook (though at a glance strangely pro Assad for an Occupy movement) tweets: “The economic agenda of the Syrian opposition: To destroy infrastructure and taking loan$ for the recon$truction$”.

  154. thanks A Node.

  155. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    15 Jun, 2013 - 11:44 pm

    @ The Scourge

    “In western “democracies” leaders are puppets of (unelected) state powers, like the security services for example”

    You’re slipping, Doug. Why so coy?

    You forgot to mention the Royal Family, the Bilderberg Group and Amschel Rothschild (deceased).

  156. Habby

    Can you please explain then why you think “The Shock Doctrine” ‘made’ Naomi Klein?

    She was already quite famous from “No Logo”, some years before.

  157. According to Fisk, Iran will send an initial 4000 Revolutionary Guards to Iran.

    For the first time, all of America’s ‘friends’ in the region are Sunni Muslims and all of its enemies are Shiites. Breaking all President Barack Obama’s rules of disengagement, the US is now fully engaged on the side of armed groups which include the most extreme Sunni Islamist movements in the Middle East.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/world-exclusive-iran-will-send-4000-troops-to-aid-bashar-alassads-forces-in-syria-8660358.html

    With friends like (apparently) all the Sunni extremest groups, who needs enemies?

  158. Sofia Zabalotna-Habbercake

    16 Jun, 2013 - 12:36 am

    Dad!

    It’s good to see you back. I was worried there that you might have bored yourself to death.
    .
    I got my hands on a copy of “Shock Doctrine” tonight on the strength of your negative review and I’ve just finished Chapter 1. Just brilliant! She certainly describes a world I recognise and provides plenty of references and pertinent quotes to back up her observations.
    .
    As time passes I am learning that you do after all have some value. With unerring precision your state of agitation indicates what I should be giving my attention to.
    .
    Thanks to Technicolour for winding the old fool up in the first place with the mention of Naomi Klien.
    .
    I’ll have to find “No Logo”
    .
    Now for Chapter 2 before bed.

  159. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    16 Jun, 2013 - 12:54 am

    “With friends like (apparently) all the Sunni extremest groups, who needs enemies?”

    The Reichwing in ‘Merica is exultant over events in Syria. Why not? They have the mirror-image of the prophecy of the 12th Imam which is ‘End Times’ excitement. They actually think they will be ‘Raptured’ out of harm’s way and are giggly about all the sinners who must stay to endure the events to come.

    It’s the same stupidity as 72 virgins to perpetuity.

  160. from medialens:

    - Reuters reports:
    ‘The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights [SOHR], an opposition group, said on Tuesday that at least 94,000 people have been killed but the death toll is likely to be as high as 120,000.’
    Figures supplied by SOHR, an organisation openly biased in favour of the Syrian ‘rebels’ and Western intervention is presented as sober fact by one of the world’s leading news agencies. No concerns here about methodology, sample sizes, ‘main street bias’ and other alleged concerns thrown at the Lancet studies by critics. According to Reuters itself, SOHR consists of a single individual, Rami Abdulrahman, the owner of a clothes shop, who works from his ‘two bedroom terraced home in Coventry’. -

    i haven’t been able to access websites inside syria that might dispute Rami’s latest (or any) death toll figure, which – as always – was immediately reported & repeated by UN, govts, and all MSM, INCLUDING iranian & russian. Rami just adding 10,000 or thereabouts a month of late, is NOT evidence, YET the death toll is being used all the time to show why there needs to be intervention. wish someone could get a better handle on the real figures.

    not only did Carla del Ponte implicate the rebels as per 6 May reports, i actually heard a radio news item the morning of Obama’s chemical weapon claim – which i feel sure was from the UN – saying AGAIN they & human rights groups had found both sides had used them (tho no evidence on Assad’s use while there is growing evidence re the rebels). the second message of the radio news item was the new death toll of 93,000-plus. by the time i booted up the computer to find that report on either abc or bbc, it didn’t exist & it was all Obama says, and the only articles about the radio report i had heard were headlined 93,000 dead in Syria.

    6 May – Syrian rebels used Sarin nerve gas, not Assad’s regime: U.N. official
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/6/syrian-rebels-used-sarin-nerve-gas-not-assads-regi/

  161. Bilderberg was wonderful – thank u all who attended. it made great online TV, and i’m not about to mock anyone involved. all played a part in shining a light on this particular element of the shadow govt – never a bad thing. max keiser had been negative, but he turned up with Stacy Herbert, adding to the hilarity. humour is a great weapon.

    the bergers will be more careful where they hold their next one…if there is a next one, that is! wish i could have been there.

  162. The poor Chinese. According to one left wing romanticist here, Western style capitalism has subjected them to a kind of 21st century Dickensian experience that makes the horrors of Mao Zedong’s reign look like a picnic. Apparently, being overworked and underpaid in iPhone factories is worse than starving to death on collectivised farms. Those 40+ million dead didn’t realise how good they had it under traditional communism. 

    But I wonder how much Chinese suffering is a product of their political and economic systems and not their reknowned lack of compassion for living things, including their own people. 

    Not long ago, I had the pleasure of watching a Beijing cooking competition (we need more of these on tv) on our nation’s multicultural broadcaster, SBS. One contestant produced a delicious meal wherein he cooked a fish whilst it was still alive, ensuring it’s survival for the plate by holding  its head in a damp cloth. When he served it on the plate, it was still gulping, its ribboned body pulsating with garnishes atop that would leave the most sated gastronome salivating for more. It was enough to make me reach for my little bottle of medicinal asian bear bile.

  163. Sofia Zabalotna-Habbercake

    16 Jun, 2013 - 8:52 am

    Yeah Jemand. And of course there was the Evil and Inscrutable Fu Manchu..
    .
    Jemandworld must be such a scary place with all those damned foreigners lurking in the shadows.
    .
    I suggest you take cover under the stairs till the nice white westerners have them all civilised and democratised to death.

  164. “Can we get back to business? Who benefits from destabilising Syria? What has the attack on Turkish protestors got to do with US Chicago school neoliberalism? Occupy Syria Facebook (though at a glance strangely pro Assad for an Occupy movement) tweets: “The economic agenda of the Syrian opposition: To destroy infrastructure and taking loan$ for the recon$truction$”.”

    The oil companies and their shareholders benefit, Saudi royal family benefit. The control freak psychopaths in government benefit. It’s all about wealth and control.

    Shia majority Iraq has agreed to let Shia Iran put a gas pipeline through to Shia Syria, right to the Mediterranean coast where they could supply Europe. Nobody in the west or the Sunni Muslim countries want that pipeline to be built.

  165. Flaming June

    16 Jun, 2013 - 9:04 am

    Clinton wanted intervention. This piece predates Obomber’s decision to arm the rebels. Perhaps Clinton has Obomber’s ear.

    Bill Clinton splits with President Obama on Syria
    http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=A2EF6B91-735D-455D-BEDB-3745C577ABEF

    ~~

    Sky News, when reporting the Iranian elections yesterday, were repeating the old lie about Ahmadinejad wanting to wipe Israel off the map. They consulted an Israeli Dr Emily Landau on the result needless to say. She is in the video here.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1104130/iran-vote-cleric-rouhani-elected-president

    A point of interest from Mr Rouhani’s CV on that link.

    ‘Married with four children, Rouhani holds a doctorate in law from Scotland’s Glasgow Caledonian University, according to his official CV.’

    ~~

    Enough said here on Landau.

    19/02/2013

    Dr. Emily Landau on the coming P5+1 talks with Iran

    Dr. Emily Landau is Director of the Arms Control and Regional Security Program at the Institute for National Security Studies (INSS) at Tel Aviv University. On 18 February, a week ahead of scheduled P5+1 talks with Iran in Kazakhstan, Dr. Landau briefed a forum in BICOM’s London office on the diplomatic options facing the international community in addressing the Iranian nuclear programme. Dr. Landau argued that economic and diplomatic sanctions had to be applied in conjunction with the credible threat of military force in order to stop Iran’s drive for nuclear weapons.
    http://www.bicom.org.uk/podcast/11907/

  166. Flaming June

    16 Jun, 2013 - 9:09 am

    Oddie 7.32am

    SOHR – A one man band run from a flat over a shop in Coventry of course. LOL.

    http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/war/news.php?q=1338914745

  167. @Sofia Blabbalot Puppetsock

    “Sofia”, you have proven once again that sarcasm is indeed the best form of wit. Your untiringly hilarious, ‘satirical’ schtick of being Habbabkuk’s daughter, firing off sarcastic missives at straw-bogeymen in lieu of intelligent debate, keeps me coming back craving for more. Give me more, you sweet, little, hairy, girly man-child.

  168. Sofia Zabalotna-Habbercake

    16 Jun, 2013 - 9:45 am

    Oddie 7.32am and Flaming June 9:09 am

    “SOHR – A one man band run from a flat over a shop in Coventry”
    .
    If dad had gone a bit easier on the sherry last night he would be here to put you right. So in his absence I’ll have to stand in, in the interest of balance.
    .
    You see, the key to understanding this is in the word “Observatory”. It’s all very well for tin-hat wearing conspiracists to scoff, but you have to remember that, in the real world, and especially in Coventry, there are some very high apartment buildings, from which Rami Abdelrahman, a man well able to use a powerful astronomical telescope, would be well able to observe the daily outrages perpetrated by the evil Assad on the kind and gentle rebels, whose only wish is to create the kind of heaven on earth that exists in the Gulf nations that sponsor them.
    .
    Sorry Dad, I know there weren’t enough long words in there and I shouldn’t have used two sentences when one would do, but otherwise , how did I do?

  169. Cleggover has been on a low key Marr, presided over by the lightweight Jeremy Vine. Clegg speaks a lot but actually says little of meaning. He uses hand gestures endlessly. Is there a training school where politicians are taught these neuro-linguistic skills?

    I think support for the LDs will collapse come 2015 under Cleggover’s ‘leadership’. He is an empty vessel.

  170. Sofia These trolls are very much like the scale insect infestation I discovered on my houseplants, known as soft scale (Coccus hesperidum) and hemisperical scale (Saisettia coffeae).

    They are little flat pale brown creatures that lurk unseen on the underside of the leaves and exude a sticky substance which is the first indication of their presence. A good dose of an organic insecticide (fatty acids) has dealt with them.

    http://apps.rhs.org.uk/advicesearch/Profile.aspx?pid=224

    :)

  171. “A point of interest from Mr Rouhani’s CV on that link.

    ‘Married with four children, Rouhani holds a doctorate in law from Scotland’s Glasgow Caledonian University, according to his official CV.’” Flaming June

    Ah, so he’s a Weegie! Wan ae us! Let’s twin Glesgae wi’ Isfahan!

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/made-in-glasgow-the-moderate-man-who-could-be-irans-next-president.1371303561

    Seriously, though, the regime runs a theocratic police state and like Khatami, Rouhani is from that regime; he also may have difficulty applying rational change. The Syria situation will also complicate matters. But at least there might be some hope – and Iranians need it.

  172. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    16 Jun, 2013 - 10:22 am

    @ Herbie :

    “Can you please explain then why you think “The Shock Doctrine” ‘made’ Naomi Klein?”
    ________

    Because, after a promising beginning with “No Logo”, it confirmed her as one of the world’s Leading Thinkers.

    Hope that helps!

  173. In a parallel with Colin Powell’s'mobile biological labs’ America has ‘found’ on chemical weapons in Syria – an international green card for the establishment of a ‘no fly zone’ extending from the Jordan border.

    Such a blatant lie serves to enable massive Patriot missile bombardment and the use of armed drones to reverse recent gains by government forces.

  174. Indeed Mark. I’ve been tweeting the Carla Del Ponte version, repeatedly, from different sources.

  175. Sorry Craig, but I can not see a ground invasion as NATO would most probably NOT be able to enforce an air exclusion zone. Syrian air space is protected by two of the worlds most up-to-date air-defense systems, thanks to Russia and Iran. They have both supplied hardware and advisers.

    I think this link to an nsnbc article from last week, might help clarify the situation. It reports that the UN confirmed last month, that it is the US government that is supplying Al Nusra with the chemical weapons and it is NATO special forces that are training the terrorist in how to use them. The second link provides some background on the US’s approved replacement for Assad, Al-Khatib, which should hopefully raise some concerns over Foreign Secretary William Hague commitment to support Al-Khatib.

    Makes you glad to be part of the NATO gang, doesn’t it. Well, its better to be a bully that allow yourself to be bullied.

    http://nsnbc.me/2013/06/06/the-syria-chemical-weapons-saga-the-staging-of-a-us-nato-sponsored-humanitarian-disaster/

    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/uk-seeks-to-further-fund-arm-al-qaeda.html

  176. Sofia Zabalotna-Habbercake

    16 Jun, 2013 - 10:47 am

    @June. 10 09am

    “…Coccus hesperidum…”

    Thanks so much. You have given me the inspiration I needed for my biology project.

    “……at least a dozen different species have been recognised so far, but by far the most spectacular of these extraordinary creatures is the legendary HabberCoccus sherryphillium pompuosgitium, whose unique physiology consists entirely of huge gas filled bladders with which it can overwhelm eventhe strongest of prey with repeated venomous outbursts…” (Eat your heart out David Attenbourough!)
    .
    I can’t wait to hand it in to Miss Purvis. She’ll either give me an “A” or a detention, again.
    .

  177. This blog’s comments have come to represent the World it observes — depressing and more than just a little weird. But then nothing unusual about that.

    My heart goes out to the ordinary people of Syria, be they refugees or normal secular thinking people who don’t want to be fighting their neighbours and each other. And to the protestors in Turkey who just want to live ordinary lives in Freedom.

    The only bright spots are the support shown for Snowden in Hong Kong and the peacefully chosen consensus President in Iran.

  178. Flaming June (Encyclopaedia Offtopica) ironically offers pest control advice to another variety of pest that was introduced to stymie criticism of her incomprehensibly tedious tickertape announcements.

    And it appears that Sofia has become a member of the Coloratus Ad Hominem club as we all know that impertinent insinuations of colour prejudice confers left-wing respectability to uninspired and ‘academically challenged’ comments.

  179. Good news indeed that Iranians have thrown out the dishevelled used-car salesman, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and elected someone with a (hopefully) more constructive demeanour. Maybe the Iran war can still be averted.

  180. Sofia Zabalotna-Habbercake

    16 Jun, 2013 - 11:57 am

    @Jemand

    16 Jun, 2013 – 11:30 am

    Shouldn’t you be trolling the proper heavyweights? You know, the ones who are always pointing to real evidence and challenging the mandated narrative with hard facts rather than fictional pre-pubescent pests like me?

    There’s a real danger that enough people might just wake up this time to the tricks being played by the latest Colin Powells and here you are being trolled by a troll. I know it isn’t nice, and I did try for ages to resist it but I just can’t fight Dad’s old Zabolotna-Habbercake genes.

    Thanks for the recognition anyway. You’ve made my day.

  181. Perhaps the Scottish Government should send the Mullah President Elect of Iran a bottle of the finest single malt. New brand for the whisky-makers of Speyside and Skye: ‘Mullah Malt’.

    On second thoughts…

    On a more serious, though, I agree with Villager, in hoping for jaw-jaw, not war-war. But I fear that rappochment is not the desired strategic aim (see also under ‘Khatami’) and it is salutory to realise that a country’s strategic situation is what it is. Saudi Arabia/UAE/NATO have their own ideas of hegemony and Iran is the ur-denoted strategic enemy.

  182. Sofia Zabalotna-Habbercake

    16 Jun, 2013 - 12:23 pm

    jemand. You can forget about all those hordes of Islamists and Fu Manchus out to get you. A far greater threat lurks unnoticed in your own home.

    “Americans are thirty times more likely to die from lightning strikes, and ten times more likely to drown in their bathtubs, than to be killed by terrorists. Should we declare war against lightning bolts and bathtubs? Should we install PA systems in our bathrooms reminding us that the threat level of bathtub drowning has been raised to orange? Should we create a new Department of Bathtub Security (DBS) empowered to do sneak-and-peak warrantless searches of our bathrooms to make sure that we’re using no-slip bath-mats? Should we invade and occupy countries that we falsely blame for bathtub deaths?” Dr. Kevin Barrett
    .
    Full article:
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/06/16/309237/bathtubs-more-dangerous-than-terrorists/
    .
    Run away now, before it’s too late.

  183. “We must fight them on the beaches, while eating the peaches, in the bathtubs…!” Vinstan ChaL-ChaL to Fu Manchu, bahuth peechey kal-kal.

  184. ah, Jemand this: “According to one left wing romanticist here” might hurt if I wasn’t also a happy and constant reader of PJ ‘Republican Party reptile’ O’Rourke who, in his equally interesting book ‘Eat the Rich’ visits China and makes exactly the same criticisms of the Chinese system as Klein, albeit in more pungent language, when describing the horror that is corporate capitalism there.

  185. Syrian Report took over this article.
    http://syriareport.net/observations-from-a-former-british-ambassador/
    You can also find a link on a Belgian dutch speaking forum.
    http://forum.politics.be/

  186. So, daddy, what did you do when they attacked Syria? or as Jemand says’ Maybe the Iran war can still be averted.’

    Well son, I took a very cold shower and told everyone about it on FB, you should have read the comments, from Temperature, what soap is best to use, and athletes foot tips.

    After having talked up the war with Iran, maybe, we can avert it without actually having it…. what utter genius, give that man a cucumber.
    But would that not preclude that we are governed by thinking primates? which we are not.

  187. Flaming June

    16 Jun, 2013 - 1:29 pm

    No surprise.

    ‘In an interview with the French TV station LCP, former French minister for Foreign Affairs Roland Dumas said:

    “I’m going to tell you something. I was in England two years before the violence in Syria on other business. I met with top British officials, who confessed to me that they were preparing something in Syria.

    This was in Britain not in America. Britain was organizing an invasion of rebels into Syria. They even asked me, although I was no longer minister for foreign affairs, if I would like to participate.

    Naturally, I refused, I said I’m French, that doesn’t interest me.”

    Dumas went on give the audience a quick lesson on the real reason for the war that has now claimed the lives of tens of thousands of people.’

    /..
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/06/former-french-foreign-minister-war-against-syria-planned-2-years-before-arab-spring/

  188. Flaming June

    16 Jun, 2013 - 1:44 pm

    Morsi follows instructions.

    Egypt’s Morsi cuts ties with Syria
    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2013-06/16/c_132457794.htm

    ~~

    Wonder how Agent CameraOn is getting on with Putin?
    ‘David Cameron says he will be asking President Vladimir Putin to help get movement on an international deal for peace in Syria, when they meet later.’

    I think he will get either the cold shoulder or the ‘big E’.

    I note CameraOn is suffering from the early male pattern baldness syndrome. Perhaps he has too much stress. Anyway he will look very strange if he goes completely bald.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldness

  189. Flaming June

    16 Jun, 2013 - 1:48 pm

  190. Morsi urges “us” to go in hard on Syria. Now I see why Hillary was so keen to have him in charge (she anointed him the day before Iron Dome ended). The long game must be Shia v Sunni – a continent-wide conflagration that serves the neocon agenda nicely. Perhaps that’s why the US wanted also al Maliki in charge of Iraq. The yanks will probably end up arming both sides. Very goo business.

  191. “Good news indeed that Iranians have thrown out the dishevelled used-car salesman, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad”

    He wasn’t thrown out. He was ineligible to stand again having already served two consecutive terms.

    “Maybe the Iran war can still be averted”

    Unlikely I would have thought. Unless of course Rouhani is proposing to hand over Iran’s oil and gas reserves to the big oil corporations and close down its independent central bank so it can get into debt with western banksters.

  192. Sofia, I don’t know what shadows you think you are boxing, but none of them are mine. If you’re trying to impress anyone here with your faux wit, it is only you. Well done.

    Technicolour, you always miss the opportunity of avoiding being an annoying, self-righteous hypocrite. What are your thoughts on the millions of Chinese dead at the hands of Mao’s communists? And of the seemingly unquenchable Chinese desire for traditional (superstitious) remedies that endanger rare and endangered animal species while cruelly exploiting those that are safe from extinction in their backyard factory cages? Nothing to say, as usual, I should expect. Good for you!

  193. technicolour

    16 Jun, 2013 - 2:52 pm

    MJ, Sofia, Mike: challenge that narrative! And this from June is worth repeating over &:

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/06/former-french-foreign-minister-war-against-syria-planned-2-years-before-arab-spring/

  194. technicolour

    16 Jun, 2013 - 2:58 pm

    Oh, do stop distracting, Jemand, and read the sources. It will make you informed, as opposed to randomly splenetic. My thoughts on the history of communist massacres, and on the universal torture of animals, while doubtless fascinating at some point, are irrelevant right now, as you well know.

  195. Technicolour, you are right. Your thoughts are irrelevent, now and always. *hug*

  196. technicolour

    16 Jun, 2013 - 3:09 pm

    NB though June’s link is interesting, solely for what Roland Dumas is supposed to have said, it gives no link to the interview quoted, and one also wonders why on earth British officials would ask him to be involved in a top secret operation even though he was no longer foreign minister. Sorry, posted in far too much haste.

  197. technicolour

    16 Jun, 2013 - 3:11 pm

    Indeed, which is why I generally try and post facts. But otherwise, then why ask for them, Jemand? You could always just deal with the facts. Much simpler.

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