More Dead Children in Palestine

by craig on July 1, 2014 8:27 am in Uncategorized

We do not know who kidnapped and murdered the three children in Palestine. These murders are terrible and need to be investigated. You cannot investigate a murder with bombs and tanks. Tony Blair’s immediate bandwagon-jumping and rush to blame Hamas is typical of a man who has caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands through his urge to fix the facts around the policy.

Six Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli forces in the past three weeks. That did not get lead headlines in the mainstream media. I should note in fairness that the BBC World News at 9.00 am this morning did mention it, but on standard form that will quickly get censored out of future bulletins.

I don’t recall Tony Blair rushing out press releases as a result if the deaths of those Palestinian children. How exactly does Blair believe his ghoulish publicity seeking on the back of this terrible tragedy is helping anything, except perhaps his long term money-making potential?

I doubt that Hamas killed the children. It would make no sense given its strategy of joining a unified Palestinian leadership and entering the diplomatic dialogue. It must be possible that the children were murdered by a Palestinian individual or group outraged by the recent killings of Palestinian children. It also must be possible that they were killed by an Israeli individual or group eager to undermine the Palestinian unity process and promote the settlement agenda.

All deaths are tragic, and the deaths of younger people always feel more tragic still. Parents are mourning in Israel and Palestine. The answer is not to create more mourning parents and shattered children. All violence in Palestine must be condemned unequivocally.

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  1. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    1 Jul, 2014 - 8:51 am

    Last time I looked, about 100 times as many Palestinians have been killed by the IDF as Israelis by all Palestinian factions. Therefore 300 Pal kids would have to die for as much fuss to be made about them. And it’s not unlikely that they will, on past form.

    Well, you mentioned Blair. Here’s his latest swivel-eyed bollocks, fresh from the Aspen Ideas Festival. The bleeding obvious, leavened with gibbering paranoia as he creeps ever further to the far right of the neocon spectrum:

    http://www.aspentimes.com/news/12042188-113/blair-middle-believe-iraq

    Particularly fine platitude:
    “Until we take the poison out of the politics in the Middle East, there’s not going to be peace.”

    Umm, yeah. That’s both sides you’re talking about, Mr Impartial? Libermann, f’r instance?

    I’ll spare you what he told Yahoo News about the 1500 jihadis returning from Syria to sack, loot and burn the UK…

    He’s off to Cartagena de Indias, Colombia, today, with Bill Clinton, to preach the Third Way (globalism,lol). And maybe do a few, you know, deals.

  2. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    1 Jul, 2014 - 8:53 am

    “I should note in fairness that the BBC World News at 9.00 am this morning did mention it,…”

    _________________

    As did the main BBC Radio 4 news programme this morning (I forget its name, but it’s the one that goes on for a couple of hours). Equal time and coverage given to the Israeli ambassador to the USA and to Mustafa Barghouti of the PA.

  3. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    1 Jul, 2014 - 8:56 am

    and equally robust (or non-robust, some will inevitably say) questioning of both spokesmen as well. In my opinion.

  4. It is tragic. But as you say, cui bono?

    Dreoilin put this interesting link up on another thread.

    Smoking gun proof of “Israeli teen kidnapping” false flag
    Mossad Chief predicted “three teens will be kidnapped” one week before it happened
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/16/israeli-teens/

    Netanyahu’s language in response, as reported, is horrible.

  5. The sad fact is, whilst Palestinians are dying in their droves, a few more dead Palestinians is deemed not newsworthy by the corporate media. It is evident that the stereotyping of the Palestinians as the “eternal terrorists” has completely discounted their humanity to a degree that no one cares any more whether they live or die.

    The shameful spectre of a mass concentration camp in the form of Gaza, or West Bank is not the issue because as we all know the Palestinians did not suffer at the juncture of history that mattered most at the year zero of the contrived history of the world ie circa WWII!

    The extent of pernicious corruption of values goes so far as denying all and sundry any right to warranted criticism of the bloody genocide of the Palestinians as “antisemi….” statements. History will look back unkindly at the inaction of the world powers and their silence in the face of the onslaught of the zionists bent on destruction of any and all traces of Palestine and its nationals, in a relentless campaign lasting almost a century.

  6. Mary,

    yes, saw that. Don’t think it proves anything, though a strange coincidence indeed that he chose to say “three”.

  7. “I forget its name, but it’s the one that goes on for a couple of hours”

    You know the name of the programme. It’s an odd lie I grant you. Maybe lying has become a compulsion for you. Maybe some other reason. But you are lying.

    You will of course respond with your normal smug condescensions to further derail a thread that points out that Israel is about to again massacre the innocent.

    If it exists you are certainly hellbound.

  8. The Israeli intention behind these actions is obvious.

    30 June 2014
    Israel has dropped hundreds of lollipops bearing anti-Hamas messages on two cities in the West Bank, it appears.

    The sweets, found in both Nablus and Ramallah, are adorned with the message “Ramadan Kareem… Some sweetness, after Hamas has made life in the West Bank bitter,” the Ramallah-based Ma’an news agency reports. According to witnesses in Nablus, Israeli troops threw the sweets after deploying heavily in the region as part of their search for three teenagers who went missing while hitchhiking in the West Bank.

    The Times of Israel suggests that the misuse of the the Arabic word for “bitter” on the lollipops has caused locals to assume that the source of the message was Israeli. However, the Israel Defense Forces told the Jerusalem Post that it “was not familiar with the incident”.

    Ma’an says the sweets are not the first “gifts” left by Israeli troops in the last week. Residents of Nablus tell the agency they have found matchboxes bearing the Arabic words “Beware! Hamas is inflaming the West Bank”.

    More than 600 people have been detained in the two-week search for the missing Israelis, Ma’an reports, while Israel has named two suspects over the suspected abduction.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-28086435

  9. What struck me as odd from the beginning was the heavy handedness the IDF were using in trying to find the teenagers.They seem to have intimate knowledge of when , where , by who and the car along with a telephone call.If they knew all of this then why the red herring mass ransacking of homes and the shooting of Palestinain kids in revenge.
    Mossad are supposedly so good,that getting them back alive should’ve been a dawdle.
    The Israeli leadership act like crack crazed gangsters.Benjamin Milikowsky and Evet Lvovich Lieberman are complete nut jobs.What kind of population would vote these lunatics in ?
    Tragedies like this should be dealt with properly.Mass bombing of an innocent population in another part of Palestine can’t be the answer

  10. DoNNydarKo
    “What kind of population would vote these lunatics in ?”

    Probably not that different from one who votes in Blair, Cameron, Bush, Obama, Hollande…etc

  11. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    1 Jul, 2014 - 9:22 am

    Analysis (Spanish, and Google Translate is struggling with the idiom) of what’s going on in Colombia today.

    http://www.elnuevosiglo.com.co/articulos/7-2014-tercera-v%C3%ADa-en-cartagena.html

    Included for the cogent definition of the Third Way Blair is selling, near the end:

    The market, as far as possible, and the State, as far as necessary.

    More Tea Party, Vicar?

  12. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    1 Jul, 2014 - 9:23 am

    why the red herring mass ransacking of homes and the shooting of Palestinain kids in revenge.
    Shits ‘n giggles, and pure spite. Normal.

  13. It probably will be more bombing and shelling from the air and sea Donny Darko, sadly,

    Here the BBC’s Kevin Connolly gives encouragement which revolts me. Heating up the ME cauldron which islikely to go off on many fronts. We get him over the airwaves now instead of Donnison and Bowen. Yolande Knell too. At least she is the more factual of the two.

    ‘Analysis, by Kevin Connolly, BBC News, Jerusalem

    Israel’s overnight air raids on Hamas targets in Gaza were an immediate response to a wave of missile attacks launched from the Palestinian enclave since Sunday.

    They should not be seen as a definitive response to the abduction and murder of the three teenage boys whose fate has transfixed this country over the course of the last two-and-a-half weeks.

    In keeping with Jewish religious custom the funerals will take place on Tuesday – and only when they have passed and the outpouring of national grief they will prompt has died down will Israel’s governments finalise its military and political plans.

    Having firmly focused the blame for the murders on Hamas, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will have to demonstrate to the Israeli public that his response will be calibrated to match the huge sense of anger and outrage that is felt here.

    In the past, Israel has used targeted missile attacks to kill senior members of militant groups and it has the military capacity to target Hamas’s stockpiles of missiles and rockets in a sustained campaign.

    And it will have a clear political goal too. Israel was angered by the creation of a Palestinian unity government which brought together Hamas with the Palestinian Authority, whose forces helped to look for the victims.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28102253

    ~~

    Connolly lives in Jerusalem and writes about his life there with his lemon tree on his balcony and the shortage of water in the land. At least some recognition of the inequalities and injustice.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16654390

  14. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    1 Jul, 2014 - 9:52 am

    Also normal would be yet another ground invasion of Gaza. Probably waiting for the next time ISIS does something awful in Iraq and grabs the headlines.

  15. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    1 Jul, 2014 - 10:09 am

    Meanwhile, in East Jerusalem, redevelopment continues.

    http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentid=20140701210176

    Stir ‘em up, any excuse will do. Then hammer them and steal their land.

    It’s worked so far.

  16. Blair the peace envoy remains silent on the bombing of the open prison of Gaza. The link below goes someways to explaining the British position and that was 6 years ago.

    A very interesting lecture from 2008 by Mark Curtis,outlining
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic_S2aydhjA&feature=youtu.be

  17. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    1 Jul, 2014 - 11:05 am

    Donny – thanks for that very relevant (still) link. George Monbiot covers some adjacent ground today in the Guardian:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/30/censorship-newsroom-freedom-of-expression

    And then there’s just plain lazy journalism, which feeds on official handouts…

  18. Have just returned home expecting to see a torrent from the trolls! No. Zilch. Have they been told to hold back on this?

    In the distance I could see a military helicopter leaving the area near Mount Browne, the Surrey Police HQ. Are the PTB planning a campaign against the Surrey anarchists/terrrrists? :)

    Very little activity on the river with narrow boats. Normally dozens would be moored up or moving along towards Weybridge. Probably cannot afford the fuel and other costs these days. There is no recovery. The country is dead.

  19. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    1 Jul, 2014 - 11:30 am

    In the first section of the Third Way Conference imminently under way in Cartagena, Colombia, Clinton and Blair will discuss “how to build trust, a sincere reconciliation, demobilization with security and certainty, and reintegration (of former combatants) with productivity.”

    http://www.elheraldo.co/bolivar/la-paz-y-la-tercera-temas-de-la-cumbre-de-cartagena-157834
    In Spanish, obviously.

    They’re talking about FARC, with which Santos hopes to do all that later this year. You know, like Mo Mowlam (actually) did with NI, and Tone and George didn’t with Afghanistan…

  20. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    1 Jul, 2014 - 11:32 am

    …or Israel, for that matter.

  21. Just some of the names for Israeli offensives against the Palestinians that I could remember or dug up. In no particular chronological order. All very lyrical names are they not?

    Operation Cast Lead
    Operation Summer Rains
    Operation Autumn Clouds
    Operation Brother’s Keeper
    Operation Pillar of Defence
    Operation Hot Water
    Operation Returning Echo
    Operation Rainbow
    Operation Days of Penitence

    And the big ones,
    Al Naqba aka The Disaster/Catastrophe
    and
    The 1967 war Al Naksah aka The Setback!

  22. Where is our Tony Benn? You had to hand it to him here. (The Disasters Emergency Committee appeal)

    Tony Benn to BBC “If you wont broadcast the Gaza appeal then I will myself” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E21MdXe3BOQ

  23. I wish you’d give the McCanns the same benefit of the doubt regarding the disappearance and unknown fate of their young daughter, Craig.

    Evidence, charges, trial, verdict and possible sentence (preferably in that order) for all those accused of wrongdoing, including both Hamas and the McCanns.

  24. doug scorgie

    1 Jul, 2014 - 12:22 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    1 Jul, 2014 – 8:56 am

    “…and equally robust (or non-robust, some will inevitably say) questioning of both spokesmen as well. In my opinion.”

    Your opinion counts for nothing Habbabkuk because you never back-up what you say. You are a dishonest, feeble Zionist troll.

    Have a nice day

  25. doug scorgie

    1 Jul, 2014 - 12:26 pm

    From the BBC:
    “Israel PM Benyamin Netanyahu said: “Hamas is responsible and Hamas will pay.”

    [No need for an investigation then.]

    Kevin Connolly, BBC News, Jerusalem:
    “Having firmly focused the blame for the murders on Hamas, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will have to demonstrate to the Israeli public that his response will be calibrated to match the huge sense of anger and outrage that is felt here.”
    —————————————–
    Of course a huge sense of anger and outrage by Palestinians, with over sixty years of land theft, assassinations and mass murder, including children, counts for nothing.

    Palestinians, it seems, don’t have human feelings.

    This tragedy will be used to split the Fatah and Hamas unity government and, to that end, the timing of the murders will prove useful to Netanyahu and the Zionist agenda.

    The three youths were said to have been hitch-hiking home. In the West Bank Jewish and Arab number plates differ in colour so one can distinguish them at a glance. It is unlikely they would voluntarily climb into an Arab plated vehicle. So it is possible that some Palestinian militants were, by chance, passing and abducted them.

    That the youths were killed shortly after indicates that scenario, rather than involvement by Hamas.

    Israel has named two suspects as Ayoub al-Kawasma and Abu Aisheh (no evidence released) and the Israeli military has set off explosives which destroyed the homes of both men.

    Why would they do that? Surely they should have preserved the homes for forensic evidence linking them to the murders. Very fishy.

    We can soon expect an all-out attack on Gaza aided and abetted by that other beacon of democracy; Egypt.

    An opportunity to re-occupy The Strip and dislodge Hamas.

  26. Craig
    “Don’t think it proves anything, though a strange coincidence indeed that he chose to say “three”.”

    Of course it proves nothing but it is also not easily dismissed. To say it is a strange coincidence does not explain how it ended up as public knowledge. How did this end up in Haraatz?

    This was allegedly said by the head of Mossad in a Security Cabinet meeting. It is difficult to imagine any politican taking on the head of Mossad in a leaking war so it must have been planted with the agreement of Pardo.

    True or not the question is why has Pardo leaked this story when he must fully understand how it will spin around the world.

    Is this an Israeli spy gaining some political edge? Is this a world class disinformation agent just playing the bigger game of further undermining conspiracy theorists? Or what?

  27. Israeli Teenagers (Abduction and Murder) Questions. HOC 1 July 2014.

    Answering Hugh Robertson Minister of State FCO

    Much anti-Palestinian vitriol being generated.
    Visits to Israel and Palestine and neighbouring countries courtesy of Conservative Middle East Council. Is the latter a cover for Conservative Friends of Israel? Address: 83 Victoria Street, SWIH OHW.
    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=11190

    He was trying to reign in the militant Zionist supporters though.

  28. 83 Victoria Street is obscured by a London bus on Street View.

    You can have a serviced office or a ‘virtual office’ at 83 Victoria Street!
    http://www.avanta.co.uk/Pages/DocumentManager/83VictoriaCentreInsert-new.pdf

  29. ‘Evidence, charges, trial, verdict and possible sentence (preferably in that order) for all those accused of wrongdoing, including both Hamas and the McCanns.’

    above should read

    Evidence, charges, trial, verdict and possible sentence (preferably in that order) for all those accused of wrongdoing, including Israel, Hamas and the McCanns.

    Q Did any Israeli face trial or sentence for the 10 Mavi Marmara slaughters?
    A.No, of course not.

  30. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    1 Jul, 2014 - 1:08 pm

    Israel has named two suspects as Ayoub al-Kawasma and Abu Aisheh (no evidence released) and the Israeli military has set off explosives which destroyed the homes of both men.

    Why would they do that? Surely they should have preserved the homes for forensic evidence linking them to the murders. Very fishy.

    The evidence might not have linked them to anything at all, so better to destroy it. Israel is proud of its adherence to the rule of law, and anything conflicting with the overwhelming presumption of guilt wot the IDF wrote last week cannot be admitted, even in mitigation.

    Innocent until proven guilty? Bwahahahahaha.

  31. 12.30pm and it’s still going strong. You should hear some of the stuff being spat out. The Israel lobby is alive and well in OUR parliament.

    I have never heard a similar urgent debate for one Palestinian child. On channel 81 now.

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2014/july/urgent-question-israeli-teenagers-abduction-and-murder/

  32. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    1 Jul, 2014 - 1:16 pm

    …seriously, no doubt the buildings were searched before demolition, and the very weapon with which the nice young settlers were cruelly murdered, with a label saying “This is the very weapon…” is now in the hands of the authorities.

  33. doug scorgie

    1 Jul, 2014 - 1:33 pm

    Pathetic.

    The Guardian online is streaming live coverage of the funerals of the murdered Jewish teenagers. I’ve never seen such a thing about any Palestinian children’s funeral.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/01/tensions-rise-ahead-of-murdered-israeli-teenagers-funerals-live-coverage

  34. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    1 Jul, 2014 - 1:47 pm

    That’s what you get for being Chosen, innit? And it is well known that no Palestinian children ever get killed* and anyone who says they are is an antisemite

    *every three days:
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/6185-one-palestinian-child-has-been-killed-by-israel-every-3-days-for-the-past-13-years

  35. “Have just returned home expecting to see a torrent from the trolls! No. Zilch. Have they been told to hold back on this?”

    Perhaps it is because trolls find it distasteful to try and make political capital out of the death of children whether they are Israeli or Palestinian.

    End of conversation with that particular individual.

  36. Dave Harris

    1 Jul, 2014 - 1:53 pm

    “It must be possible that the children were murdered by a Palestinian individual or group outraged by the recent killings of Palestinian children.”

    I’d been expecting some tasteless speculation veering towards moral equivalence and the “Ethnic Scot” didn’t disappoint, heading off into George Galloway levels of sophistry.

  37. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    1 Jul, 2014 - 1:56 pm

    …find it distasteful to try and make political capital out of the death of children

    Unlike the Israeli authorities, eh, ESLO?
    (pmsl)

  38. ‘Dave Harris’ You omitted Craig’s corollary.

    ‘It also must be possible that they were killed by an Israeli individual or group eager to undermine the Palestinian unity process and promote the settlement agenda.’

  39. Jemand,

    I don’t know if the McCanns murdered their child. I do know they are disgusting, negligent, selfish parents.

  40. Message to BBC Radio 4 just now.

    ‘You mentioned that Hugh Robertson has made a statement in the House. Please would you interview Mr Robertson and ask him why the Government has never yet made a statement in the House when Palestinian children are killed by Israel? Is it because they would have to make one such statement a week?’

  41. Has there not been a referendum yet on Blair’s trial for war crimes? He needs to be completely stripped of his powers and influence.

    Speaking of children here, and making political capital out of them, it would be interesting for some historian to write a probing account of the ‘invention’ of children, from the Victorian period onward, and how this new concept of ‘children’ was almost as soon co-opted by the rich and powerful.

    I think the violence against children abroad, indirectly if not directly endorsed by Britain, completely undermines the domestic rhetoric that children in this country actually matter. It completely invalidates the British family justice system, which deludes the public into thinking that the child’s interests are paramount (instead of acknowledging the base economic motivations for why things are the way they are).

    At present, I take care of my children half the time, but the government refers to me as an ‘absent parent’ and charges me half of my very low income, stealing this from me and giving it to the other parent so that his/her benefits claims can be offset. I regard this theft as institutionalized violence toward children, because it has the effect of impoverishing the so-called ‘absent parent’.

    I only mention all this because it seems that our leaders’ gross disrespect for the lives of other country’s children is matched by the DWP’s brutal attack on low income parents whom they deem to be ‘absent’ (but are actually very much present).

  42. The most likely theory about the murderers does seem to me to be Palestinians acting independently of Hamas. UNless he has access to evidence we don’t, it appears that Blair’s eagerness to retain the ears of the powerful has made him unable to act rationally and independently.

  43. Reportedly all three had extremist settler backgrounds, the eldest was 19 and of such an ultra-extreme society other even settler groups detest them, eldest almost certainly has some military experience though this is denied, the eldest, and probably all three carried arms, all three had been involved in price-tag graffiti of Palestinian homes and were en-route to meet with another group also involved in harassment of Palestinians, when they disappeared.

  44. Tony M

    Yes – doesn’t justify killing them though (I realise you didn’t say it did, but it needs to be said).

  45. HEBRON (Ma’an) — Israeli forces in Hebron late Monday blew up the homes of two Palestinians Israel says are prime suspects in the kidnapping and killing of three teens who were found dead earlier that evening, witnesses said.

    Israel style justice.
    If, and it’s a big ‘if’ the two suspects are indeed guilty does it also mean their extended families are equally responsible? Are the Israelis so clever they can apportion guilt within hours of finding dead bodies yet aren’t so clever that they can find the kidnap victims whilst they are still alive? Israeli authorities claimed they knew where the students were and who had abducted them within hours of their disappearance, yet still the suspects haven’t been captured but their families have been rendered homeless on these flimsy suspicions. Just imagine the judicial process Palestinians have to endure in the not so high profile cases.
    I wonder why the IDF destroyed the homes with explosives rather than the usual JCB destruction method? This episode of lawlessness appears to be moving so quickly as to appear planned in advance. The people of Hebron and other areas have just been the victims of huge crime committed by Israel …The students are just the required catalyst to legitimise this evolving and ongoing attack.

  46. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    1 Jul, 2014 - 3:10 pm

    Can you provide a link to that, Tony M? The Israeli position looks even shakier if these fine upstanding Jewish boys had been persecuting Pals, er, unofficially. It doesn’t look like Hamas, more like spur-of-the-moment, based on personal resentment. Hamas might have kidnapped them and held them against Pal prisoner returns – no point in burying them.

  47. An eye for an eye, except short-sighted Israel’s been taking eyes out pre-emptively for years including their own.
    It’s OTT, Over KILL , Ethnic cleansing by death of 1 million demolitions.As the map of Palestine shows today,there are only tiny parcels of land held precariously together of what should have been the sovereign State of Palestine.
    Israel’s actions of the last 10 days would have pushed any captor into getting rid of their captives if they were kidnapped. There still is no evidence of anything but retribution.
    Had Israel wished for the kids back,there would’ve been some attempt to contact the kidnappers or if the state of Israel wouldn’t ,their parents would’ve as in the case of Shalit.

  48. If every comment had to be surrounded in disclaimers and apologies and expressions of sympathy for all involved, all around, in any incident, it would become impossible to comment at all.

    I formed that picture of the three some days ago, those were the notes I took before hearing today confirmation of their death, it hasn’t become inaccurate or more insensitive by events, my impression then was that they were probably already dead and did not discount inter-settler violence or one or the other having killed the other two, then himself. Israeli authorities will make sure the truth never comes out and any trail or evidence anyone could follow or find will be obliterated.

    The ages of the other two I don’t know. Adults too are still someone’s child, but at what age are they criminally responsible for their conduct, do they become combatants, wilful oppressors against which resistance is legitimate. Israel arrests and detains, shoots, bombs very young children with impunity. I cannot condemn Palestinian children for defiance or disobedience, for anger, for throwing stones, it is entirely natural, with these settler groups however and the Israeli state terror apparatus, this is not comparable, that is calculated cruelty and murder and theft.

    The fanaticism, hatred and irrational brain-washed justifications instilled in Israel’s own young people, a false view of the world and of history, a national persecution mania, all from an early age, is a form of mental cruelty practised against their own people, without which these young people would have lived quite different lives, much happier and for far longer, and been better persons. There is only so much sympathy to go around.

  49. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    1 Jul, 2014 - 3:47 pm

    !00 eyes for an eye is more like it.

  50. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    1 Jul, 2014 - 3:55 pm

  51. doug scorgie

    1 Jul, 2014 - 4:03 pm

    ESLO
    1 Jul, 2014 – 1:48 pm

    “Perhaps it is because trolls find it distasteful to try and make political capital out of the death of children whether they are Israeli or Palestinian.”

    So you have nothing to say about the topic ESLO.

    But plenty Israeli politicians and UK Friends of Israel politicians are making (and seem to be enjoying) making political capital out of this tragedy.

    The same people who keep shtum when Israel commits child murders.

  52. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    1 Jul, 2014 - 4:13 pm

    “Have just returned home expecting to see a torrent from the trolls! No. Zilch. Have they been told to hold back on this?” (Mary, above)

    __________________________

    Their silence has, however, more than been made up for by the inane chatter of the Bitches.

    Up to and including the great scandal of the Israeli Lollipops!

    *********************

    Separation walls keep out suicide bombers – you know it makes sense!

  53. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    1 Jul, 2014 - 4:19 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    ““…and equally robust (or non-robust, some will inevitably say) questioning of both spokesmen as well. In my opinion.”

    Your opinion counts for nothing Habbabkuk because you never back-up what you say. You are a dishonest, feeble Zionist troll.”
    __________________

    You’re welcome to your opinion on my opinion, but at least my opinion is based on me having heard the BBC item in its entirety.

    Did you hear it?

  54. Ba’al Zevul (Chimp Assassin) (1 Jul, 2014 – 3:10 pm) wrote: [...]

    Possibly here, this was stuff I read http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/maintains-missing-manipulation.html just before the weekend.

    A correction, the religious settler sect the eldest belongs to apparently does not permit military conscription/service, though the comments there suggest nevertheless that one of them, presumably the 19 yr old (the other two were 16) was serving or military trained.

  55. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    1 Jul, 2014 - 4:43 pm

    “Did you hear it?”

    Careful, Doug. The fakir slept on a bed of nails last night and he’s quite prickly.

  56. doug scorgie

    1 Jul, 2014 - 5:03 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    1 Jul, 2014 – 4:19 pm

    “You’re welcome to your opinion on my opinion, but at least my opinion is based on me having heard the BBC item in its entirety.”
    ——————————————————————–
    Habbabkuk you can’t even remember what program you were listening to, so you can’t back up what you say, which is something you never do anyway.

    You might even be making it up.

    ——————————————————————

    Resident Dissident, if you’re lurking in the shadows, I’m still waiting for a reply; seven days have passed.

    24th June 2014

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/06/cui-bono/comment-page-4/#comments

  57. Sophie Long is reading the 6pm News on the BBC New channels. Much emphasis being given to the top item, the funerals of the three boys.

    She went to Israel with BICOM for an induction trip.

    This Is How Israel Runs The British Press
    By Gilad Atzmon

    November 07, 2011 “Information Clearing House” — The following is a glimpse into the Israeli Hasbara’s/Mossad’s/Sayanim’s operation in the UK. It explains how Israel and its agents manage to dominate news coverage in Britain and beyond. It seems from the following leaked email as if BICOM (British Israel Communication & research Centre) runs the News desk for the BBC, Sky and the FT. I guess that last week the Guardian also joined the party. It is now an offical Israeli propaganda outlet.

    Shockingly enough, not a single British paper was brave enough to report the story or publish the leaked email. Surely they know who their masters are. The message is pretty clear. British press is not trustworthy. It is as Zionised as our political system.

    Bicom ‘embarrassed’ by misdirected email

    Source http://www.totallyjewish.com/news/national/c-16955/bicom-embarrassed-by-misdirected-email/
    By Joseph Millis – Thursday 22nd September 2011

    There were red faces at Bicom this week when an email from its director intended for donors was in fact sent to the organisation’s media database.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29642.htm

    Bit of a slip up there BICOM. Better luck next time.

  58. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    1 Jul, 2014 - 6:06 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    To help you, I looked it up on the online Radio Times – it was the “Today” programme of this morning.

    I’m sure the technically proficient Mary could supply the link so that you and other doubters can listen for yourselves and check my assertion that the BBC gave equal time and equaltoughness (or not) of treatment to the Israeli ambasssador and to the PA leader Mustafa Barghouti.

    Now I know that this will come as unwelcome news to the BBC (and Israel) haters on here but hey, you can’t win them all!

    *************************

    Condemn the murder of all young people, you know it’s the right thing to do!

  59. And let’s not forget the 257 civilians murdered by the Kiev Nazis in Eastern Ukraine, including 14 children.

    Nazis too strong a word?

    Yats uses the word “subhuman” to describe the resistance. See here: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/15/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/?hpt=hp_t1

    Yesterday’s Guardian was another disgraceful piece of propaganda. “Outgunned Ukraine” was the headline; “beleaguered” troops said the text. Bullshit to both. They’ve even attacked Russian border posts now; they’re desperate to provoke Russia. You can be sure the corporate media won’t ignore any Russian response.

    NB the way the BBC today presented their map, with the legend “towns held by rebels” to denote…..where ethnic Russian people live !!

  60. Was any Israeli soldier charged with this murderous killing of a 13 year old girl who had 17 bullets emptied her lifeless body? No.

    Israeli officer: I was right to shoot 13-year-old child
    Radio exchange contradicts army version of Gaza killing http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/24/israel

    Was the drilling of the gentle Imam Al-Hams debated in our most illustrious chamber? No.

    Who really killed Huda Ghalia’s family?
    Guardian investigation undermines military claim that Israeli shells could not have been responsible for death of girl’s family
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/jun/16/israel

    Was the loss of 8 members of Huda Ghalia’s family the trigger for a statement in the ‘House’? No.

    Israel learns of a hidden shame in its early years
    Soldiers raped and killed Bedouin girl in the Negev
    4 November 2003

    For 54 years the fate of a young Bedouin girl who disappeared in the Negev desert was relegated to rumour and a single entry in the diary of David Ben-Gurion, the prime minister of the fledgling Israeli state.

    “It was decided and carried out: they washed her, cut her hair, raped her and killed her,” he wrote. After that the case became one of the state’s earliest secrets, and no more than hearsay passed between soldiers.

    Now the Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz has used previously classified army documents to reveal the full story of what Mr Ben-Gurion called a “horrific atrocity”.

    /..
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/04/israel1

    An horrific story that reverberates where ever the marauding master race goes. It’s in the collective memory. I think the ‘Israeli’ judges spoke better than many. But this is symbolic. They treated that poor girl as one of the unteruntermenschen as they did all the rest of her olive clan and still do.

    God or G-d is nowhere in it. We yearn for humanhood.

    Those articles were written by Chris McGreal. Where is he now?

  61. Now a recording of a phone call has been released. But none of those wonderfully clever Israelis were able to find the location of the cell phone. That’s strange.

    Israeli Teen’s Call: ‘They’ve Kidnapped Me
    Audio is released of a phone call made to police by one of three Israeli teenagers kidnapped and murdered in the West Bank.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1293087/israeli-teens-call-theyve-kidnapped-me

  62. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    1 Jul, 2014 - 8:09 pm

    Hallo
    yes?
    Is this sky news?
    I have just been kidnapped by uncle netanyahu, help me, please, he said i would bhe a sacrificial lamb for the eternal; disruction of Israel and I don’t understand it.
    He said I would sit next to Solomon and his non existing temple that ever was. My parents will be proud of my sacrifice and it happened once before something about sacrificial Lambs and fire.

    So what did Mossad say to these poor wretches before they had to die? that they had to die to keep up the division between people that belong together?

    Hamas has no interest in kidnapping people if there is no return in sight, why should they stoop as low as the IDF and harrass, incarcerate and torture children? Thats not their game, thats what israel does, every day of the week.

    So what state needs to kill its own people to keep up war and the forceful division of a society in the eye of the world, a society of many differing religions and views that has lived togetehr for hundreds of years?
    A zionist Nazi regime copying Hitler in his disgusting tactics?

    And don’t worry if you get palpitations or feel sick when you read socket.s collective shite here, or when you switch on the BBC, there are thousands like you and you do not have to take it anymore. Tell them to get stuffed when your next license is due, boycott the buggers and paedo cover up fanatics.

  63. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    1 Jul, 2014 - 8:09 pm

    Mary

    Could you please supply your son Mr Scorgie with a link which will enable him to listen to the “Today” programme’s feature with the Israeli ambassador to the US and the Palestinian Authority’s Mustafa Barghouti? It was on this morning and I should like your son to listen to it so that he can assure himself that the BBC was giving the same airtime and the same treatment to both the Israeli and the Palestinian.

    Thanks. You know it’s the right thing to do.

  64. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    1 Jul, 2014 - 8:12 pm

    Nebel-Mind (20h09)

    Have you forgotten to take your pills AGAIN?

    The men in the flapping white coats will be VERY angry with you!

    ********************

    Lithium, Lithium, Lithium.

  65. The McCanns were referred to earlier. This investigation is interminable. How much money and how many resources has Cameron allocated to it? He followed on from Brown’s agenda. Brown provided the McCanns with the services of Clarence Mitchell, now at Burson Marsteller.

    What do you know about Madeleine McCann? First ‘formal suspects’ quizzed http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-you-know-madeleine-mccann-3795516

    A Russian computer expert is named as a suspect. The whole thing seems highly irregular and extraordinary,

  66. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    1 Jul, 2014 - 8:37 pm

    Mary (20h32)

    “A Russian computer expert is named as a suspect. The whole thing seems highly irregular and extraordinary,”

    ________________________

    Would you care to expand on why the whole thing sounds highly irregular and extraordinary to you?

    Please share your insights with us.

    *******************

    Protect little children everywhere.

  67. That is so funny. The man in the shed does not know how to find a link to the iPlayer for today’s episode of Radio 4 Today. I am not doing any of his bidding.

  68. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    1 Jul, 2014 - 9:03 pm

    Mary

    “That is so funny. The man in the shed does not know how to find a link to the iPlayer for today’s episode of Radio 4 Today. I am not doing any of his bidding.”
    _______________________

    Why is that so funny? I’m incapable of finding a link to/using iPlayer, you’re incapable of uttering an original thought. None of us is perfect, Mary.

    Go in, supply the link – not for me (I heard the programme) but for your son Mr Scorgie, who is not convinced, it seems, that the programme gave equal cooverage and treatment of the Israeli ambassador and the PA’s Mustafa Barghouti. Nobody supplies a link quite like you, Mary!

    *************************

    Protect all youngsters everywhere – it’s the right thing to do!

  69. Mary,

    Great links – your posts are really the best!

    Thank you

  70. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    1 Jul, 2014 - 10:17 pm

    Funeral of three settler children at top of R4′s news all evening:

    http://www.foa.org.uk/news/where-is-the-condemnation-for-the-killing-of-palestinian-teenagers

    Four this month, names and circumstances.

  71. BrianFujisan

    1 Jul, 2014 - 11:00 pm

    Touching Piece By Susan Abulhawa

    “The West’s hypocrisy when Palestinian life is disposable but Israeli life is sacrosanct ”

    @

    http://stopwar.org.uk/news/the-west-s-hypocrisy-when-palestinian-life-is-disposable-but-israeli-life-is-sacrosanct#.U7MqbkDviSq

  72. Mike from Oz

    2 Jul, 2014 - 12:55 am

    The kidnap and murder if the 3 teens seems to be a clear reprisal for the cold blooded murder of 2 Palestinian youths by Israeli soldiers in May, as caught on both security camera footage and by CNN reporters.
    http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/05/22/pkg-watson-4a-west-bank-teens-shot.cnn.html
    Note: the video above requires Flash and will not playing most smartphones.

    Why was this not prosecuted as a war crime? Is this not adequate evidence?

    The endless cycle of violence continues…

  73. The so-called “kidnapping of three Jew students”, as the Jew-controlled media has been describing the incident for the last two weeks – shows the usual marks of an Israeli false flag operation to preparing the groundwork for a major military operation against its neighbors. If you still believe that Israeli Jews would not kill fellow Jews or hurt their friends who feed them – then just remember how the Zionist regime murdered 100,000 Sephardi youths by experimenting radiation effects on them in the 1960s – or how they murdered American crew at the USS Liberty.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/07/01/israel-kills-three-jew-settlers-to-invade-gaza/

  74. “Resident Dissident, if you’re lurking in the shadows, I’m still waiting for a reply; seven days have passed.”

    While you’re digging for replies, Doug, could you find one for my question posed to you regarding the appearance of tacit support for Islamic theocracies versus your vociferous objection to Jewish states?

  75. Petitioning Heads of News at BBC 2

    Highlight the 1,500 Palestinian Children Killed by Israeli ‘Defence’ Force since 2000, and Restraint and Peacemaking rather than Condoning ‘Inevitable’ Collective Death Sentence!

    http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/heads-of-news-at-bbc-highlight-the-1-500-palestinian-children-killed-by-israeli-defence-force-since-2000-and-restraint-and-peacemaking-rather-than-condoning-inevitable-collective-death-sentence

  76. “Aidworker1″ wrote : “Mary, Great links – your posts are really the best! Thank you”

    Mary, you have to stop your family from posting messages of support using spammar (spam-like grammar). They sound like voices at the back of the crowd milling around the wagon of a passing snake-oil merchant.

    “It really does work! His snake-oil’s the best!!”

  77. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jul, 2014 - 7:42 am

    Jemand (07h18)

    Yes, that message of support from “Aidworker1″ did appear suspiciously soon after I called Mary out, didn’t it.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Love the reaction on here to the three Israeli deaths : at the beginning, a couple of perfunctory “so terrible”s and then a deluge of posts about the death of Palestinian young people.

    Craig attempted to provide a corrective at 14h54 on 1 July (see above) but of course the Loonies were undeterred.

  78. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jul, 2014 - 7:46 am

    “While you’re digging for replies, Doug, could you find one for my question posed to you regarding the appearance of tacit support for Islamic theocracies versus your vociferous objection to Jewish states?”

    ___________________

    Yes, I’m waiting for Doug’s reply as well. But I fear the wait will be long: Doug – aka Brer Rabbit* – is currently unavailable to answer questions. Perhaps he’s on another “mission”?

    * lying low and saying nuffin’

  79. Jemand – how you describe Israel as a “Jewish state” while most of its top leaders have been atheists and anti-Semites. The only thing they hd with Jewishness, was, they were born to a Jewish mothers.

    Yehezkel Kaufman in article, titled “The Ruin of Soul” collected quotes from some of the Zionist writers (Frishman, Lenni Brenner, Berdichevsky, AD. Gordon, Schawadron, Klatzkin, Pinsker, Israel Joshua Singer, Chaim Kaplan, etc.), which if repeated on air – would get you fired from CNN, BBC, CBS, etc.

    http://rehmat1.com/2010/11/21/anti-semitic-roots-of-zionism/

  80. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    2 Jul, 2014 - 9:55 am

    Tony M – thanks, but no mention of affiliations of victims there. I don’t really expect much info on those as the IDF has the final say on the news in Israeli media. But a later Mondoweiss (caveats apply) piece highlights the utter bollocks everyone is being fed by Israel:

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/israeli-officials-missing.html

  81. I thank Aid Worker 1 for his/her encouragement. I do not know him/her and did not solicit the comment. Thanks.

  82. O/T Wasn’t it good that the young Australian tennis player, son of a Greek father and a Malaysian mother, and with a brother who is a lawyer and a sister who is an actress, beat Nadal yesterday. Modest with it too.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Kyrgios

    Advance Australia Fair!

  83. correction: half Malaysian mother.

    ‘Morris said Kyrgios had te potential to become the most marketable player in tennis history.

    “He’s got everything,” Morris said.

    “He represents Aussie with its great sporting heritage and tennis in particular.

    “Then you’ve got the mass audience he can potentially reach in Malaysia with his Mum (Norlaila) being half Malaysian and the entire Asian community.

    “And then you’ve got the fanatics of Greece (his father George is Greek-born) and the European market.

    “He’s got an appeal and a reach that I don’t think has ever been there in tennis before.

    “If he keeps progressing as he is, I think marketing-wise, he can do things in tennis that have never been done before.’

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-01/nick-kyrgios-to-play-nadal-at-wimbledon/5564038

  84. Back to Palestine. A friend sent this,

    Putting the death of the Israeli squatter teens in context
    http://wp.me/p2HBz8-2dE

    saying -

    ‘He was given airtime on Radio 4 Today yesterday. That was most unusual.

    I first heard Dr Barghouti at a large meeting in the Institute of Education November 2002. Several of us met his wife Professor…… in Birzeit in 2007. We might not agree at all with the moribund two state solution but we respect his steadfastness and his clear speaking. You will recall how the agents of the entity beat him up and some fellow candidates. I think they were arrested. There was the intention that they could not be elected.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Barghouti

    He has described his family’s politics as always being “shaped by opposition to social injustice, rather than by nationalism.

    He has said that he was “reshaped” by the Six Day War.

    “I felt a huge amount of responsibility. My childhood ended then. We were now under occupation. It was the beginning of a life mission: how do we become free? The feeling of injustice was very strong. Though still a child, I felt the whole world sitting on my shoulders…. Some gave in to defeatism—Nasser had it wrong, it was better to adopt a pro-American stance—but our position was: no, we have to resist, but in a stronger, better way. I’ve never felt I was fighting for the liberation of the Palestinian people on purely nationalistic grounds, one people against another. It was a fight against oppression, against occupation.”

    I am reminded that he is a brave man. He could easily have been assassinated.

    The ‘only democracy in the ME’ is without doubt the most cruel and lawless aggregation.

    Did you know Mustafa received his medical education in Moscow, as many Palestinians did in that era? ‘

  85. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    2 Jul, 2014 - 10:23 am

    In denial:

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/there-is-no-cycle-of-violence/

    Note the unsupported, bald assertion -

    Their Palestinian Arab murderers, as identified by Israel, did not know their victims and they did not care.

    Would the author be in a position to know that? Has he heard the interrogation records? Does he know any of the IDF’s victims? Does he care? Ans: No, no, no and no.

  86. doug scorgie

    2 Jul, 2014 - 11:19 am

    Jemand
    2 Jul, 2014 – 7:11 am

    “While you’re digging for replies, Doug, could you find one for my question posed to you regarding the appearance of tacit support for Islamic theocracies versus your vociferous objection to Jewish states?”

    I answered that Jemand but perhaps you’re too thick to understand.

  87. doug scorgie

    2 Jul, 2014 - 11:27 am

    “Israeli police have found the body of a Palestinian teenager who was kidnapped overnight in East Jerusalem.”

    “Mohammed Abu Khdair was last seen being forced into a car early on Wednesday. Within hours, his partly-burned corpse was discovered in a forest.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28124329

    We can wait and see if an emergency question in the House of Commons will be applied for and whether the Guardian will have live streaming of the boys funeral.

  88. James Dickins

    2 Jul, 2014 - 11:44 am

    The kidnap victims were not the innocents which the media has presented them as. They were all members of extreme settler groups which propose the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians:

    The Makor Chaim yeshiva in Gush Etzion and the Shavei Hebron yeshiva in Hebron which they attended are well-known centres of nationalist-religious extremism:

    “Dov Lior [is] the leader of the Shavei-Hevron yeshiva at Kiryat Arba, a radical Jewish settlement near the occupied Palestinian city of Hebron and a hotbed of Jewish terrorism. Lior has vigorously endorsed Torat Ha’Melech [‘The King’s Torah’ – an extreme racist-nationalist interpretation of the Bible], calling it “very relevant, especially in this time.”

    Lior’s enthusiasm for Shapira’s tract stems from his own eliminationist attitude toward non-Jews. For example, while Lior served as the IDF’s top rabbi, he instructed soldiers: “There is no such thing as civilians in wartime… A thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew’s fingernail!” Indeed, there are only a few non-Jews whose lives Lior would demand to be spared. They are captured Palestinian militants who, as he once suggested, could be used as subjects for live human medical experiments.

    Otherwise, Lior appears content to watch Palestinians perish as they did at the muzzle of Dr. Baruch Goldstein’s machine gun in 1994. Goldstein, who massacred 29 Palestinians and wounded 150 in a shooting spree while they prayed in Hebron’s Cave of the Patriarchs mosque, was a compatriot and neighbor of Lior in the settlement of Kiryat Arba. At Goldstein’s funeral, Lior celebrated the massacre as an act carried out “to sanctify the holy name of God.” He then extolled Goldstein as “a righteous man.” Thanks to Lior’s efforts, a shrine to Goldstein was constructed in center of Kiryat Arba so that locals could celebrate the killer’s deeds and pass his legacy down to future generations.”

    http://maxblumenthal.com/tag/dov-lior/
    (the rest of this article is also very good):

  89. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    2 Jul, 2014 - 12:58 pm

    From “James Dickens” (who he – another sock-puppet?):

    “The kidnap victims were not the innocents which the media has presented them as. They were all members of extreme settler groups which propose the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians:

    The Makor Chaim yeshiva in Gush Etzion and the Shavei Hebron yeshiva in Hebron which they attended are well-known centres of nationalist-religious extremism:..”

    ___________________________

    To which Craig has already given a good answer (14h54 on 1 July), viz:

    “Tony M

    Yes – doesn’t justify killing them though (I realise you didn’t say it did, but it needs to be said).”

    “James Dickhead” please take nite.

    *************************

    Buy top-quality Israeli agricultural products – you know it makes sense!

  90. Doug – “I answered that Jemand but perhaps you’re too thick to understand.”

    Yeah, maybe. Perhaps you’ll be kind enough to oblige by answering the question re-framed. Your kind reply will put the question to bed, once and for all, and remove any doubt about suspicions that you are an anti-Jewish hypocrite.

    The question, re-framed :

    Why are you not vociferously critical of Islamic theocracies to the same extent that you evidently are with regard to Jewish states?

    Thanks, Doug.

  91. ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    2 Jul, 2014 - 1:28 pm

    Why are you not vociferously critical of Islamic theocracies to the same extent that you evidently are with regard to Jewish states?

    IOW, why isn’t he even-handed?

    Why isn’t Israel?

    Why aren’t you as vociferously critical of Judaism as you are of all Islam, everywhere?

    (“Personal preference” would be an adequate response, IMO)

  92. Good news

    http://www.eccpalestine.org/growing-number-of-european-countries-warns-their-citizens-about-the-risk-involved-in-trading-with-illegal-israeli-settlements/

    On June 27th, Spain and Italy’s governments have warned their citizens against doing business with illegal Israeli settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and in the Golan Heights.

    Following the move of French foreign ministry, which issued a similar notice on Tuesday last week, Spain and Italy said that any business conducted in the settlements entails legal risks as they are built upon land occupied by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War.

    “The West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Gaza and the Golan Heights are territories which have been occupied by Israel since 1967. As a result of the above, the European Union and its Member States are raising European citizens’ and businesses’ awareness on the risks related to economic and financial activities in the settlements. Financial transactions, investments, purchases, procurements as well as other economic activities (including in services like tourism) in Israeli settlements or benefiting Israeli settlements, entail legal and economic risks stemming from the fact that the Israeli settlements, according to international law, are built on occupied land and are not recognised as a legitimate part of Israel’s territory. This may result in disputed titles to the land, water, mineral or other natural resources which might be the subject of purchase or investment” – read the statement from the Italian Foreign Ministry.

    The new warnings are worded in language very similar to that issued by UK last December, suggesting a high degree of coordination between the European countries.

    List of countries that have already issued warnings to business about the involvement with illegal Israeli settlements:

    - Netherlands*

    - United Kingdom (December 2013)

    - France (June 24th)

    - Spain (June 25th)

    - Italy (June 25th)

    Germany posted very general information on the website of Federal Foreign Affair office :“With regard to ownership acquisition and investments in the settlements, it must be pointed out that in the Federal Government’s view the settlements violate international law.”

    The recent move is seen as a part of join act taken by the European countries. It is expected that other countries might issue similar warnings during the next weeks.

    *Netherlands didn’t publish typical warnings to business but their discouragement policy trough the official statements is publicly known.

    ~~

    Israel is going down.

  93. Hard talk with Ilan Pappe. BBC as well.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lsmFS75ed4

    An Israeli ( thank god ) that says it like it was , is and will be.
    Israel is a racist fascist international law breaking abomination that is perpetrating on a daily basis everything the Nazi’s did bar the gas ovens.
    They have been caught removing organs from prisoners however. Gas would make the organs unuseable and worth nothing.

  94. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    2 Jul, 2014 - 5:47 pm

    It is not Hamas that incarcerates and tortures children by taking them out of their family setting, but Israel. Unless we hear and see any evidence, this kidnap and subsequent killing was done by those who want to divide and conquer Israel, still, even after the last 50 years of hardship and failure.

    This kidnap was designed to bring the Israeli’s out against Hamas approach with Fatah and todays kidnap of a palestinian youngster was probably done by the same people, very likely fascists settler in lieu with Mossad.

  95. doug scorgie

    2 Jul, 2014 - 6:49 pm

    Jemand
    2 Jul, 2014 – 12:59 pm

    “The question, re-framed :”

    “Why are you not vociferously critical of Islamic theocracies to the same extent that you evidently are with regard to Jewish states?”

    Firstly Jemand, there are no Jewish states.

    Secondly, I am critical of theocracies on this blog: Saudi Arabia is but one example.

    However, Israel and theocracies are not equivalent to compare.

    Israel is not a theocracy it is a racist state based on Jewish supremacy.

  96. The Guardian editors have put Steve Bell’s cartoon at the bottom of a page giving a time line of events,

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/02/isreali-and-palestinian-tensions-mount-after-revenge-killing-live-updates

    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/7/2/1404284857217/51ecb7d0-fb0d-4dc4-94e1-b65a9e97b028-460×344.jpeg

    Caption
    Steve Bell’s view of Israel’s reaction to the killing of three Israeli teenagers Photograph: Copyright Steve Bell

  97. Shocking scenes from E Jerusalem as fighting breaks out. The Palestinian boy was beaten and then set on fire and dumped by settlers it is alleged.

    ‘The agency added:

    Early on Wednesday, police received a call about a suspected kidnapping from Beit Hanina, a well-heeled Arab neighbourhood of East Jerusalem, prompting a widespread search operation, spokeswoman Luba Samri told AFP.

    “In the early hours of Wednesday morning, police received a report of a person being forced into a car in Beit Hanina,” she told AFP.

    “Within an hour, a body was found in Jerusalem that has still not been identified. We are looking to see if there is a connection between the two incidents.”

    Quoting witnesses, army radio said the youth was seen being forced into a black Honda Civic which had been seen in the area the night before.

    A cousin of the missing youth who gave his name only as Mahmud, said locals had given chase but were unable to catch the fleeing car.

    Shortly after the kidnapping was reported, a body was found in a forest near Givat Shaul in west Jerusalem, the radio said, indicating it had been burned. It had earlier said there were signs of stab wounds.’

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/02/isreali-and-palestinian-tensions-mount-after-revenge-killing-live-updates

  98. Yats used the word “subhumans”; now Poroshenko uses the word “parasites” to describe the civilians he’s murdering. Another six today.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/07/02/uk-ukraine-crisis-idUKKBN0F52OM20140702

    Down with the Kiev Nazis and their apologists !

  99. Craig
    To anyone who has visited Israel must have have noticed that thugs calling themselves “settlers” carry weapons. Why should Hamas bother to “kidnap”, rather then bumping them off straight away is a real puzzle, which only our intrepid reporter and BBC listener haliblablacus can possibly solve.

  100. LK member Miri Regev’s ‘Six forms of Terrrrrism’.

    Linguistic terrorism: Somebody buy Israeli politicians a dictionary
    A top-six list of the various ways Israeli officials have reinvented definitions — and types — of terrorism.

    http://972mag.com/linguistic-terrorism-somebody-buy-israeli-politicians-a-dictionary/92528/

    One example –

    MK Miri Regev (Likud), during discussions of how best to force-feed Palestinian prisoners, described hunger strikes as “terrorism in prison.” Yup, all you have to do to become a terrorist these days is stop eating.

  101. Palestinians to bury teenager killed in Jerusalem

    Mohammed Abu Khdair’s mother: “My son wasn’t answering”

    Palestinians are preparing to hold the funeral of a teenager abducted and murdered in Jerusalem.

    The killing of 17-year-old Mohammed Abu Khdair on Wednesday was condemned by both Israeli and Palestinian leaders.

    The murder sparked fierce clashes amid claims it was in revenge for the killing of three Israeli youths
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28139650

    There is yet another grieving Mummy, Suha Mohammed Khdair.

    The family house came under attack by the Israelis, said to be relatives of the murdered Israeli teenagers.

    ‘Suddenly the house becomes the focus of a sustained Israeli assault – stun grenades, rubber bullets, ……. The relatives of the murdered boy take shelter….’ (from the video)

  102. Warning. This is a very graphic image of the tortured and burnt body of Mohammed.
    https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/q71/s480x480/1909618_700081986695109_8812894153677545127_n.jpg

  103. His burial is delayed as a post mortem is being carried out by the Israelis. What are they looking for?

    Palestinian teenager’s burial delayed by post-mortem
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28139650

  104. The Medialens editors write on the distortions and bias of the BBC reporting of Israel and Palestine.

    Israel only ever retaliates: Part 3,056,712

    Posted by The Editors on July 4, 2014, 8:45 am

    A basic tenet of media coverage of the Middle East is that Israel *retaliates* to Palestinian violence; never the other way round.

    So, true to type, BBC News reports this morning:

    ‘In the past few days Israel has launched air strikes after rockets were fired from Gaza.’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28156268

    It’s almost laughable, except that it’s tragic. Such media misrepresentation helps to perpetuate injustice and suffering.

    DC
    ~~~
    A reminder from ‘More Bad News From Israel’

    Posted by The Editors on July 4, 2014, 9:01 am, in reply to “Israel only ever retaliates: Part 3,056,712″

    By Greg Philo and Mike Berry (Pluto Books, London, 2011):

    “The message on the news overall is that it is the Palestinians in Gaza who start the problem, that it is they who need to be disarmed, and that the Israelis respond but with terrible consequences for civilians. Because the Israeli account of cause is not challenged, the focus of criticism is on the manner in which the Israelis have conducted their �response�.”

    (page 367)

    ~~~
    The Song Remains The Same

    Posted by The Editors on July 4, 2014, 9:04 am, in reply to “A reminder from ‘More Bad News From Israel’”

    Former BBC Middle East Correspondent Tim Llewellyn in 2011:

    “BBC is ‘confusing cause and effect’ in its Israeli coverage”

    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/may/23/bbc-israeli-conflict-coverage

    DC

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1404459912.html

  105. RIP Mohammad. You had a very short life.

    Crowds flock to Jerusalem funeral for Palestinian teenager
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28156801

  106. If true (that the Israeli teenagers were dead from the start and that a gag order allowed the Israeli government to whip up public anger) this is sick.

    How The Public Was Manipulated Into Believing The Israeli Teens Were Alive
    By Noam Sheizaf
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38979.htm

  107. “From a Palestinian doctor who lost three young daughters and a niece to Israeli terrorism in his home in Gaza.”

    Izzledin Abuelaish
    ‘Autopsy results of the Palestinian teenager Abukhaddar. Settlers put gasoline in his
    mouth and poured it out on his body and set fire to it.’

    https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/q82/s480x480/10423649_10154363186815215_6431043262422050335_n.jpg (Facebook)

    ‘Guardian Profile – Profile
    Dr Izzeldin Abuelaish is a Palestinian doctor and infertility specialist. In 2009 three of his daughters were killed by Israeli shells. He now campaigns for peace and teaches at the University of Toronto.’

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izzeldin_Abuelaish

  108. ? for consideration

    Were the Three Settler Kidnappings an Israeli “False Flag” Operation?
    By Karin Brothers
    Global Research, July 04, 2014

    Evidence that came to light after Israel removed its gag order on information regarding the June 12 kidnapping and murder of three Jewish Israeli students suggests that it could have been an Israeli government operation that was intentionally used to punish Hamas and break up the new Palestinian unity government.

    /..
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/were-the-three-settler-kidnappings-an-israeli-false-flag-operation/5389791

  109. Nice people. Indoctrinated.

    Israeli Soldiers Publish Dozens Of Pictures, Posts, Calling For Murdering Arabs Thursday July 03, 2014
    Saed Bannoura – IMEMC & Agencies Report post

    Israeli soldiers published dozens of pictures on social media networks calling for murdering the Arabs, and murderous acts of what they described as “revenge” against any person who is an Arab.

    http://www.imemc.org/article/68313

  110. My comment on the More Dead Children in Palestine thread

    Mary

    1 Jul, 2014 – 11:41 am

    Just some of the names for Israeli offensives against the Palestinians that I could remember or dug up. In no particular chronological order. All very lyrical names are they not?

    Operation Cast Lead
    Operation Summer Rains
    Operation Autumn Clouds
    Operation Brother’s Keeper
    Operation Pillar of Defence
    Operation Hot Water
    Operation Returning Echo
    Operation Rainbow
    Operation Days of Penitence

    And the big ones,
    Al Naqba aka The Disaster/Catastrophe
    and
    The 1967 war Al Naksah aka The Setback!

  111. Mods could you please delete the above comment which I intended to put on the Doune the Rabbit Hole thread but put here by mistake.

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