Trophy Pictures

by craig on July 29, 2014 1:27 pm in Uncategorized

I just saw the British Prime Minister do something, so appallingly tasteless I could not believe it was happening. BBC News just showed a dawn raid by immigration officers on a well-kept home. So far, so tasteless.

Astonishingly, once the evil foreigners had been herded up and taken off to detention camps, where they risk being beaten up or raped, Teresa May and David Cameron arrived, and posed in the victims’ kitchen for trophy pictures.

I thought that what Blair has done since leaving Downing Street had debased the office of Prime Minister to an astonishing degree. But, posing for a stunt in the neat and clean kitchen of some poor immigrant, David Cameron had plumbed levels of tastelessness that again make me realise that the UK has become a country whose values I no longer recognise. The disgusting complicity of the BBC in filming this stunt is equally astonishing.

Are there really so few people left who have the slightest idea of what constitutes decent human behaviour?

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  1. I agree, on the whole, but I am also glad to see Cameron put his face in front of the actions he enables, endorses and encourages. It makes it much harder for him to claim he is being misinterpreted, over-reached, and so on.

    And I would take issue with the idea that this behaviour is “tasteless”. Taste is personal, variable and legitimately transgressed in the interest of some greater goal. What we are seeing here is not “tasteless”. It is the thuggish bullying of scapegoats by the powerful, the endorsement of intimidation and physical attacks on the vulnerable and the reduction of political “debate” to braying soundbite-war.

    But apart from that, I agree with you, and sign me up as a fellow objector.

  2. It seems that a downward spiral is easy to lock into, Craig, and the longer it continues the more difficult it is to reverse. I suspect that if you do the appropriate reading you’ll find this is the typical behaviour of a country that is beginning to descend into fascism, especially with all that warlike rhetoric. Couldn’t happen here? I’m sure they thought it couldn’t happen in a country like Germany… or Italy.

    Democracy is precious, dependent on public engagement, and constantly under threat. It’s all we’ve got though. The next election is less than a year away…

  3. David Cameron had plumbed levels of tastelessness that again make me realise that the UK has become a country whose values I no longer recognise. The disgusting complicity of the BBC in filming this stunt is equally astonishing.

    That is appalling, disgusting, and above all projections of the fantasy.

    The news of the people trafficking gangs getting busted time and again whose speciality is to smuggle people out of UK, and this news is going suppressed.

    although now and again there are glimpses of reality in the provincial rags, this being an exception;

    Maciej Maciejewski, 34 was so fed up of being jobless and penniless in the Britain, he travelled 250 miles from home in London and hurled a lit Molotov cocktail through the doors of Manchester town hall.

  4. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 Jul, 2014 - 1:52 pm

    Just to be clear:

    What you object to is the PM and the Home Secretary getting some (cheap) publicity from the raid, and the BBC giving them airtime, and not the fact of the raid itself (which was presumably entirely legal and within the powers of the relevant authorities in furtherance of UK legislation on immigration)?

    The fact that the home which was raided was well-kept, neat and clean, although welcome, is entirely irrelevant – but of course I understand why you mention it.

  5. The election’s gonna be in November and, like Tesco, every vote counts. I’m not condoning it and agree that it’s vulgar, base, tasteless – whatever, but the currency of modern politics is to appeal to those tabloid characteristics and assuming that Crosby signed this off then fair play. Even Labour are now saying a vote for UKIP is a vote for Labour. Politics is a dirty game and election’s are even dirtier – if it gets one vote, it’s worked and, to be fair, those who are upset by it were probably never gonna vote Tory anyway. Anyone hear a dog whistle?

  6. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 Jul, 2014 - 1:58 pm

    Craig

    Having just seen Peacewisher’s commenbt:

    “..you’ll find this is the typical behaviour of a country that is beginning to descend into fascism”,

    I’d again like to ask you whether you agree with the several commenters on here that the UK is either already a “fascist state” or rapidly becoming one.

    It is obviously my hope that you will give those commenters a swift kick up the arse or at least substantially nuance what they write…..in the same way as you have when you write about Putin’s Russia.

  7. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    29 Jul, 2014 - 1:59 pm

    Eton used to teach the young gentlemen how to comport themselves, I am told. Cameron’s behaviour is a mark of declining educational standards, the parvenu he is, and the terror that UKIP induces in all Right-thinking featherbedded corporate trust-fundees.

    We’re all Americans now, Craig.

  8. I guess it gets votes – doesn’t it?

  9. yes exactly, he did that because there is a consistent part of the British electorate who is pleased by this kind of assaults on poor immigrants.

  10. Habbabkuk, we’re seeing moves to the Right all over Europe. I don’t describe the UK as a fascist state, but it has certainly been moving in a right-wing, authoritarian direction. We’ve seen this before, between WWI and WWII; severe recession, mass unemployment, austerity, poverty, the corporate media whipping up blame against “foreigners” and immigrants, detention without trial, secret courts, racist mobs like the EDL etc. We know what can happen. Exactly what would you accept as warning signs?

  11. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    29 Jul, 2014 - 3:48 pm

    Thanks for highlighting another obvious case of desperation,Craig, just about any issue is now good enough to gather nuts for later.

    This kind of backward display by the two contenders for the top job seem to have much admiration amongst the certainly calcified, their never ending love for this reaking old fashioned exploitation of public services, the ol’ fear and loathing aimed at anybody purporting that the thoughts of UKIP were a good idea and worth voting for, all this malodorous electioneering by party politicians, is nauseating.

  12. It’s been going on for decades …. in the Eighties a West Londoner Brian Turner became the ultra big headlined “GODFATHER” …. accused of a Wembley Bank Robbery …. in ultra tiny print it fleetingly mentioned that he was a “godfather” to a small child in his family circle.

  13. @Hab

    When the three main parties for people to vote for are right (labour), far right (tory), and very far right (UKIP), that doesn’t look very democratic to me…

    And when the law is being manipulated in favour of the rich and powerful… that doesn’t look very democratic either.

    As Clark has said, we pulled back from the brink before, but that was in a time of strong trades unions, and the examples of brave people like Eric Blair and Mahatma Gandhi.

  14. Out of curiosity, do Cameron, May, journalists etc have the legal right to enter someone else’s home? I can see that the immigration people were there legally (sadly), but the others…?

  15. “in the neat and clean kitchen of some poor immigrant”

    If not breaking and entering – then at least entering without consent. And trespass. And violation of privacy. Morally if not legally.

  16. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    29 Jul, 2014 - 5:02 pm

    The democracy (lower-case) we enjoy in the US and UK is a supercilious version of the ideal. You could call it pseudo-democracy, with a dollop of fascism.

  17. Cameron can do nothing about immigration because we have an open border with the EU, and big business won’t let him deny immigrants benefits. So he’s reduced to stunts like this, which UKIP would have been vilified for. Immigration is out of control (quite literally)but the answer is to stop them coming in the first place not glorying in turfing them out of their homes.

  18. Hopefully Theresa played mother and put the kettle on while she was in the kitchen, booting out foreigners is thirsty work.

  19. Tasteless Fascisto Pigs Break Into Nice Clean Home

    Today commentators expressed outraged that Toffy Cam and Sexy Beast May were seen not dead with some flock wallpaper.

    “It’s nice, it’s clean, yet tasteless” intoned the writer. “Are there really so few people left who have the slightest idea of what constitutes decent human niceness?”

    “That kitchen needs some nice columns and red flags like they used to have down the road” declared another deeply concerned other.

    “I suspect that if you do the appropriate reading you’ll find this is the typical style of a blog that is beginning to descend into parody” smarty dull pants failed to make clear.

    Inspector Mud of the Yard dismissed questions “It’s not breaking and entering nor then least entering without consent either trespass and violation of privacy, both morally ney legally. So shut it.”

  20. Excellent post Craig.

    As others have quite rightly asked: what legal right did Cameron,May and the media have to enter this home?

  21. Seems slightly bizarre for the PM and Home Secretary to meet for a press conference in someone else’s kitchen. But let’s trust the judgement of the PM, a seasoned PR operative, to know what he’s doing.

    As to the apprehended occupants being carted off to be beaten and raped, is that truly relevant? I mean isn’t that the point of gaols? People have been beaten up and raped in prison ever since prisons were invented. What that has to do with immigration law enforcement I don’t see.

    Obviously, in a democratic society, the law must in some degree reflect the will of the majority, and in no country do the majority or even a large minority want to open the door to millions of foreign competitors for jobs, housing and the use of public infrastructure. Therefore, immigration law enforcement is a necessary condition of democracy in a world where global mass migration is practical possibility. If that means carting off lesbian Cameroonians to be raped and beaten, that’s no reason for condemning enforcment of the immigration law, it’s a reason for reforming gaols.

  22. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 Jul, 2014 - 6:56 pm

    CanSpeccy

    That was an excellent 3rd paragraph, above, and not only because you used the expression “immigration law”, which makes clear what some other posters either can’t or don’t want to see, namely that we are – or should be – talking about illegal immigrants.

    Tom is correct when he said that there are two aspects to this: prevent illegal immigrants from entering, and attempt to deal with those who do succeed in entering illegally.

    I did also notice, incidentally, that Craig’s emotive post nowhere referred to the possibility that the people caught in this raid might be illegal immigrants.

  23. “Are there really so few people left who have the slightest idea of what constitutes decent human behaviour?”

    Yes, I’m afraid there are. Look at the litter strewn pavements and verges on country lanes. Look at Cameron and a couple of other chumps taking a ‘selfie’ at a funeral (Michelle Obama looking a bit thunder-faced, so perhaps she’s got better manners).

  24. Yea there are some with at least an approximation of decent behaviour, but Cameron is not one of them.

    I was truly sickened reading his statement on Gaza. As I see it anyone not condemning the source of violence between Palestine and Israel (the occupation and siege of Gaza) Is in fact helping Israel prolong it’s massacre of innocent people. Now hundreds of children included.

    Yet he says Gaza needs to stop the violence? I really don’t know how anyone can be so low. And I don’t know how grown ups anywhere can accept this because of a so called threat by Palestinians. Frankly i’d endure the ‘risk’ of far more rockets and not have children killed. Coward’s, utter cowards. What kind of a place does a Person have be in to accept this, let alone be involved in it.

    Ps, Good job keeping this blog going Craig, I peek in regularly. Keep up the good work.

  25. “they were invited by the immigration authorities to observe at first hand the work of the said agents” Bob’s you uncle.

    The lawlessness is such that these days we are resorting to the by-laws; spiting in the street, etc.

    It is quacking, it is waddling, and it is not a duck! Yeah because, is there a moustache to be seen anywhere? Is there any one goose stepping? Is anyone wearing jackboots? Is anyone clicking their heels at the sight of women? How can it be fascist then silly?

    Israel’s rank and rotten fruit is being called fascism

    As none other than Malcolm Fraser tweeted this week: “If any other country went to war killing as many civilians, women and children, it would be named a war crime.” But it is not, although the UN is asking the question of both sides.

  26. DUNO – Jewish Chronicle Special report “Team Cameron’s big Jewish backers”

    http://website.thejc.com/home.aspx?AId=46698&ATypeId=1&search=true2&srchstr=++%22big+jewish+backers+%22&srchtxt=0&srchhead=1&srchauthor=0&srchsandp=0&scsrch=0

    As a Friend of Israel Cameron voted for the Iraq war. That makes him a criminal in my book. He’s not a humanitarian.

    Miliband is no better. As someone who’s Jewish he’s in a good position to make a stand and condemn the slaughter. But all he’s thinking about is his own image.

  27. Thanks for the link Je, always good to see democracy at work.

    Yea, Image money success, Far more important aren’t they. I keep forgetting.

  28. Radio 4 PM interviewed an academic legal expert today justifying Israels bombing of civilian targets. He said that the public assume that all such bombing is illegal…
    i didn’t wait to hear the sick justification.

    If you can buy a UK politician for less than a tank, you can buy a UK academic for less than a rusty Micra.

    The No. 10 Dollywood message is that Israel’s actions are the same as evicting foreign illegal tenants.

  29. Je

    I don’t think you can make that connection between Zionism and Jewishness.

    It’s possible that Miliband is a Zionist but he has cunningly not said anything in public.

    If Israel can persuade some of the most pious Muslims alive in the world today to sacrifice their own and their Muslim victims’ blood in order to carve out a Greater Israel Empire in Syria, it can definitely persuade some Jews to be Zionists.

    But not all of them all of the time. This is a sign of the coming of the AntiChrist.

  30. Since the subject has been changed, here’s a simple solution to the problem created in Palestine by genocidal Jewish settlers.

    The West, or at least the Anglosphere, having created the racist state of Israel, should offer immediate haven to all 1.7 million Palestinian Arabs, while requiring all its own Jewish citizens to either swear allegiance to their country of residence or relocate to Israel.

    If Palestinians were received relative to national population, Britain’s share would be 244,000 or less than half of current gross annual immigration. Thus, with a moratorium on all other immigration, Britain could participate in a humane resolution to the evil of racial conflict in Palestine, while sharply reducing the domestic risk of racial conflict bred of mass immigration.

    This proposal will naturally be denounced as inhumane and racist and Jews will continue killing Arabs in Palestine while the leadership of World Jewry will continue its effort to precipitate a world war from which it hopes to gain a position of irreversible global dominance.

  31. Bah!Humbug

    Are there no prisons..?

    Trust Bah!Humbug to jump on DesPiccy’s blatant racist bandwagons.

  32. I see the EU has chosen to bow to UK/US pressure to “do as we say”. They’ve been doing this since Blair cut them up over the war with Iraq. What a disgustingly spineless organisation they have become. Certainly not acting in member countries interests.

  33. Guano, aka bird shit, is prompt to confirm my prediction:

    “This proposal will naturally be denounced as inhumane and racist”

    That was the one about inviting 244,000 Palestinians to reside in Britain.

    But apparently Guano feels that the flow of immigrants to England is insufficient, or at least until the racist English have been reduced to a dying relict population.

    Still, it’s better to be a racist, I think, than an advocate of the genocide of one’s own people.

  34. DesPiccy

    Let’s get this straight. UK politicians are perfectly free, like all other UK citizens, to support the Zionist state of Israel as individuals. What they are not free to do, any more than a Roman Catholic, or a Communist or a Muslim is to mix their own personal affinities with their representation of UK citizens in parliament.

    That’s called Lying. David Cameron belongs to a generation of politicians who have agreed to incorporate as much of our reachable neighbours into the Western Market Capitalist block.
    I agree with that policy. But when Cameron tries to wriggle out of the EU or does Trophy selfies of evicting illegal immigrants, that was not the platform he had stood on. He is lying.

    He stood on a platform of European expansion. He will never see the light of day after the election, because the UK electorate are still decent enough to detest their politicians Lying.

  35. DesPiccy

    You are unbelievable. If my yellow, blue, green or rainbow neighbour is decent to me, what’s my problem? Are these people bringing contagious diseases? Are they aliens or robots from space?

    What a sick world you inhabit which is unable to look beyond the myopic mirror of self.

  36. It doesn’t say much for European/Western civilisation does it ?

    If ever there was a good argument for dissolving of modern nation states it’s this (along with the system of robbery obviously) It’s barbarity that could not be accomplished without the power of state/corporate press, and organised state army’s of killers etc.

    I wonder if people will look back and think how fucking awful our society had become. I hope so.

    One thing I do know, those who must understand will get nothing but contempt from me forever. Maybe there is a kind of personal peace they can still find, but i’ll be fucked if I ever forget how some have acted.

    And they want me to vote FOR them. People in positions of power who can watch this and do nothing ? That’s seriously messed up people, probably in need of mantel health treatment.

  37. I see the EU has chosen to bow to UK/US pressure to “do as we say”.

    That is the beauty of global governance ushered in by none other than the President of the EU, damp rag van Rumploy, when he announced 2008 as “the first year of global governance.” What the people want is now irrelevant. The people are simply to be managed, hence PR operative Cameron as PM, Piss-prize winner and champion tele-promp reader O’Bomber as US President.

    Global governance means rule by unelected bureaucrats who seek the favor, not of the people, but the dynamic elements of the deracinated, plutocratic, global elite, who reward the politicians in proportion to their service: Phoney Blair having done particularly well, in this regard.

    The system is, of course, ancient. Thomas Macaulay describes how it worked in England in the 18th century. But now it’s gone global national interests will inevitably be trashed.

  38. What a sick world you inhabit which is unable to look beyond the myopic mirror of self.

    Try reading my In Praise of Diversity, nothing sick about that, I think.

    But I realize that someone with the alias of birdshit might well be a troll settler if not a sick self-hating Brit, and in that case the twisted notion of calling opposition to the genocide of one’s own people sick and racist makes sense in a sick and twisted way.

  39. Here’s another bit of background reading:

    “935 Lies: The Future of Truth and the Decline of America’s Moral Integrity”

    http://www.amazon.com/935-Lies-Decline-Americas-Integrity/dp/1622311655

    (And thanks to Blair, the decline of Britain’s integrity as well)

  40. scunneredwiwm

    29 Jul, 2014 - 9:06 pm

    We don’t live in a democracy and many of us are waking up to this fact. Personally, I feel stupid because it’s been a long journey to get to that realisation because I’ve been watching the BBC and reading the Guardian. I understand now that this was a mistake and they are similar tools of the state as was Pravda in USSR.

    The main stream media is either compliant or scared and the junk served over many TV stations has desensitised many people to an appalling extent.

    If catering to the lowest common denominator and feeding opium to the masses was Margaret Thatcher’s intention when she allowed Murdoch to make the inroads he did, it’s certainly had some effect.

    In my humble opinion Cameron is worried about YES in Scotland on one hand and UKIP in England on the other.

  41. The vile Tories and their BBC propagandists are vying for the lowest common denominator and the race to the bottom of the gutter. Nothing will detract them from their continued attempts to appease the racist bigotry of the white working class of middle England in order to grab grubby votes. I’ve had enough of it. The only realistic hope and last straw for the future that I see is a Scottish yes vote on the basis that it might set in motion English demands for independence from the ruling Westminster elite.

  42. Plenty more lies…. in Obama’s latest speech. No transcript yet. Apparently he made a speech exactly 10 years ago that put him on the political map. Maybe his 10 years is up?

  43. I am surprised they were not going through the cupboards.

  44. LOL, GF. They’d get someone to do that for them…

  45. @Guano
    “I don’t think you can make that connection between Zionism and Jewishness.”
    Of course you can. Zionists/Talmudites have hijacked the Hebrew religion, which after numerous distortions and innovations (From the Nile to the Euphrates, and rules on usury) became Judaism.

    Zionists make “israel” out to be a Jewish state. Did you mean something like ‘Zionism isn’t Judaism’? If so, even that is highly questionable, given that Zionist ideas have emerged from those who claim to be Jews or those that support a Jewish right to Palestine.

    Perhaps you mean not all Jews are Zionists? (although the large majority of those calling themselves do indeed subscribe to Zionism) – That’s probably as close you can get.

  46. @ Guano again.
    “It’s possible that Miliband is a Zionist but he has cunningly not said anything in public.” – Tell that to George Galloway who in a recent video taped talk with Q&A stated that he (GG) didn’t believe Miliband was a Zionist…. it was worse than that…. Miliband pretended to be one.

  47. (GG) didn’t believe Miliband was a Zionist…. it was worse than that…. Miliband pretended to be one.

    David Miliband was on the list of hasbara authors, along with the other luminaries that fat pig david aaronovitch, etc.

  48. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 Jul, 2014 - 10:43 pm

    @ many of the above

    Is there a full moon tonight?

  49. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 Jul, 2014 - 10:51 pm

    CanSpeccy

    “The West, or at least the Anglosphere, having created the racist state of Israel”
    __________________

    I think you’ll find that the USSR and the Communist bloc voted for the creation of the State of Israel as well. The “Anglosphere”?

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    @ Fedup

    “If any other country went to war killing as many civilians, women and children, it would be named a war crime.”

    __________________________

    I don’t remember you saying that Russia’s actions in Chechniya and Dagestan were war crimes.

    Will you now take this opportunity to do so?

  50. Resident Dissident

    29 Jul, 2014 - 10:54 pm

    I agree the whole thing is tasteless – even if the immigrants concerned were here illegally we know nothing of the events that led to them breaking the law and even the guilty can be deserving of compassion rather than what is in effect gloating. The correct thing to do is to let the normal legal processes run their course rather than play them for political advantage – a point which is frequently ignored here by others from time to time.

    Clearly this whole act was all part of a co-ordinated PR campaign by the Tories coming on the day that they also announced changes in the benefit rules for immigrants – while I recognise the need for laws and controls regarding immigration, it is very unlikely that PR and short term party political needs are likely to be the best drivers for effective laws and public administration.

    I should add that the BBC can at least offer the excuse that it is very difficult for them to totally ignore what our Prime Minister and Home Secretary are up to – and that it is for the electorate to decide whether or not they approve. My concern is more with the behaviour of the Police and Immigration Authorities who are meant to be above such political interference but must have clearly connived with the whole PR stunt – with all the security required for the PM and Home Secretary a lot of pre-planning will have had to have taken place.

  51. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    29 Jul, 2014 - 10:59 pm

    Tunnels, tunnels and more tunnels, what a revelation. A 7 by 30 mile strip pf land is under economic siege and its people resort to digging tunnels, now becoming the hot issue within this O/T comment here.

    Now to the issue of one way traffic tunnels/ Why has nobody in Hamas thought of moving their missiles through these tunnels and launch them from Israel?

  52. Resident Dissident

    29 Jul, 2014 - 11:11 pm

    “I think you’ll find that the USSR and the Communist bloc voted for the creation of the State of Israel as well. The “Anglosphere”?”

    I think the UK even abstained in the critical UN vote.

    Of course what Israel is now doing in Gaza is a war crime – and the same accusation can also be levelled at the Hamas leadership, Assad and many others. I am not sure however what good attaching labels will do however for anyone apart from giving a sense of general well being to our armchair warriors. Rather than a hate hate dialogue surely the way forward is to encourage something different between the reasonable people on both sides – if people bother to look there will be plenty of people on the Israeli (and the Gazan side) who speak with a different voice from their leadership – speak to them as human beings (and drop the anti-Semitism) and then there is some chance of progress. The only thing of which I am certain is that this conflict will not be solved by one side defeating the other.

  53. @Habby re Anglosphere: I hope you are better informed than Anon (and me regarding “forcemeat”). Clue: George Orwell. Maybe the meaning has morphed a little over the years. Russia wouldn’t have been Anglosphere, and neither would Germany.

    Maybe Canspeccy was referring to thr Balfour Declaration in 1917, which was UK with US pressure (although some dispute that).

  54. Just seen your comment, RD. Britain was of course fighting with Palestine against the then terrorists in 1946-7, and many soldiers lost their lives. Excellent Channel 4 series a couple of years ago dramatizing this period. Not surprising, then, that GB abstained. Many in Britain probably wanted to vote against…

  55. He’s actually a chubby burglar. Someone should smash him with a frying pan. It would be fitting for a nobody like Cameron to be arrested for mere burglary.

    David Cameron, we know on this blog, is a 24 carat moron, and all the expensive education in the world simply can’t give him taste, or judgement, or any particular ability whatsoever, unless you count bullshit and confidence,. He is basically a total cretin who, I think due to his fund-raising abilities, and connections, has been foisted upon us to continue the neocon policies of Blair. I however am actually surprised that he’d pull a stunt so dull-witted. I presume he’s got smart people in his office advising him to attack UKIP or some such, but he’s the PM, and above such things, really.

    I note Libya is a full-on failed state now, with everyone fighting each other. Our idiot PM should doa photo-op there: mission accomplished. The Prick.

  56. @Brendan: Perhaps he just wanted to meet “The Common People”:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TJQ8RxzUgI

  57. Can Speccy

    Your use of the emotive word genocide instead of culture shock, leads me to believe that you are calling for violence rather than reconciliation.

    If there are issues between the values of one nation and another there will be peaceful ways of resolving them. Leave it to the Zios to find the nasty ways please.

  58. Brendan.

    Hague and Cameron should both swing for Libya, not the type they are already doing.

  59. Craig,

    Forget what constitutes decent human behaviour.

    What – I ask constitutes decent “demoracy” when many wide and far are suffering this:-

    Electile Dysfunction:

    The inability to become aroused over any of the choices put forth by either party.

  60. Sorry – ” “demoracy” – that should have read “democracy”

    Yeah – wish it was on offer.

  61. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    29 Jul, 2014 - 11:51 pm

    Mowing the lawn keeps coming up….

    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-thrasybulus-syndrome-israel’s-war-gaza-10968?page=4

    “The capacity of one symbolic incident to set the Israelis on a big war has many precedents. In 1982, the assassination of Shlomo Argov, the Israeli ambassador in London, provoked Israel to invade Lebanon, to pummel Beirut in that dreadful summer, to force the PLO’s removal to Tunisia, and to occupy the south of Lebanon for another eighteen years, creating Hezbollah. In 2006, Israel made the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers and the death of three others along the Lebanese border the occasion for a major war during which the southern suburbs of Beirut, where Hezbollah has its headquarters, were flattened. Hezbollah’s rockets flew into Israel after Israel began its air attack, not before. The preliminaries to the three campaigns in Gaza since 2008-09 show the same tendency. In the Israeli psyche, these incidents stand as a mortal threat to their existence. The wars that follow invariably cause more Israeli casualties than the initial incidents themselves. The only compensation for that is the devastation inflicted on the enemy, for which the incidents provide a convenient excuse. Then the Israelis go back to the previous policy of deterrence, until they feel compelled to mow the lawn again.”

  62. Habbakuk,

    “Is there a full moon tonight?”

    Stupid question.

    In the blogosphere,with its global reach,it’s always a full moon somewhere.

    Ya eejit troll.

  63. “The West, or at least the Anglosphere, having created the racist state of Israel”
    __________________

    I think you’ll find that the USSR and the Communist bloc voted for the creation of the State of Israel as well. The “Anglosphere”?

    in 1917, Britain promised her “best endeavours” to create a Jewish homeland in Palestine:

    “His Majesty’s government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.” (Balfour Declaration)

    The Anglosphere is a common term for Britain, the US and the former UK white dominions. The US, as the leader of the post-war Anglosphere determined the success of the state of Israel by giving it immediate diplomatic recognition.

    As for the USSR, yes they did contribute when they released the future Jewish terrorist, Nobel Piss Prize winner, and mastermind of the King David Hotel bombing, Menarchim Begin, from the Gulag in 1943.

  64. @Guano

    Your use of the emotive word genocide instead of culture shock

    Bollocks. Genocide:

    “More often …refers to a coordinated plan aimed at destruction of the essential foundations of the life of national groups so that these groups wither and die like plants that have suffered a blight. The end may be accomplished by the forced disintegration of political and social institutions, of the culture of the people, of their language, their national feelings and their religion. It may be accomplished by wiping out all basis of personal security, liberty, health and dignity. When these means fail the machine gun can always be utilized as a last resort. Genocide is directed against a national group as an entity and the attack on individuals is only secondary to the annihilation of the national group to which they belong.”

    That’s Raphael Lemkin, the Jewish legal scholar who coined the term “Genocide.”

    The EU policy of mass migration and multi-culturalism combined with the suppression of the fertility of indigenous populations is a highly effective means of genocide as Lemkin defined it. As a consequence of it, the English are already a minority in their own capital city and in other major urban centers. In Birmingham’s elementary schools, English children are not even the largest minority. And it is in Birmingham where Muslim settlers have attempted to take control of the school system, with intent, obviously, to replace the inculcation of English culture with an alien politico-religious system.

  65. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    30 Jul, 2014 - 1:09 am

    ” Genocide is directed against a national group as an entity and the attack on individuals is only secondary to the annihilation of the national group to which they belong.”

    It’s easy to sing platitudes from a position that resembles ‘nothing to lose’ by expressing it thus, but perhaps he only meant it to apply to the Jews.

    Assimilation of all races may not be such a bod idea, even in Scotland. Once physical differences disappear the racists rants decrease and maybe even one or two marry into your family. Once we stop bickering over our differences and focus on what is shared in common, we know this is no longer terra but Nirvana.

  66. BrianFujisan

    30 Jul, 2014 - 1:48 am

    Ben

    Scots are a Peaceable Race…Leave us be..Simples..

    But i Know of tales once the Clans were shipped oot to the Americas….

    Thanks Ben And Phil for watching my post of yesterday ..and Tito Cheers

    And to Push my Luck… Check this..its long Guys

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etXAm-OylQQ

  67. @Ben-American Fascist

    So we are to understand that you are in favor of eliminating both the English and the Scotch as distinct racial and cultural entities, but you object to calling policies leading to that end, and imposed against the will of the the people, genocidal. Unfortunately for you and like minded liberals, Lemkin’s definition leaves no doubt that in the matter of terminology you position is insupportable.

  68. —–Press release—–

    Israel today responded to critics who questioned their
    indiscriminate slaughter of civilians, non-combatants, and
    children by the thousand in recent days. Their statement follows:

    “HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS
    HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS
    HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS
    HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS
    HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS
    HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS
    HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS
    HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS
    HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS
    HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS HAMAS”


    a-Hey… didn’t we Israelis create Hamas?
    b-Shut up! Do not start with suggesting anyone should look up the creation of Hamas.
    a-Well do we like Hamas or not?
    b-We like them because we can now hate them so much! Stop it with the questioning!
    a-Ok, so – “Hamas” is still the answer to anything we do, a bit like “9/11″ was the answer for our Americans?
    b-Hey, just what sort of self-hating Jew are you exactly?

  69. Resident Dissident, 29 Jul, 10:54 pm; you make a very important point:

    “My concern is more with the behaviour of the Police and Immigration Authorities who are meant to be above such political interference but must have clearly connived with the whole PR stunt”

    Craig has previously described such collusion as typical of police states – the enforcement authorities following specific instructions from politicians, violating the independence of the police. This is a very bad sign.

    Habbabkuk, isn’t this a small step in the direction of fascism?

  70. “In the blogosphere,with its global reach,it’s always a full moon somewhere.”

    Do we know where?

  71. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    30 Jul, 2014 - 8:46 am

    Where’s Blair? Utter silence, except for an American interview on the 27th – and a pretty poor performance it was. Last inferred presence – Los Angeles. From where he seems to have returned today. Was he visiting Werritty?

    I mean, you know, guys, he might have been able to prevent this…..

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2710397/15-Palestinians-killed-90-injured-Israeli-tank-shell-attack-UN-school-used-refugee-shelter.html

    You can see what a school looks like in the pictures.

    Here’s a picture of a tunnel:

    http://morninggloryphotography.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/tunnel.jpg?w=545&h=363

    Easy mistake to make.

    Incidentally, no warning was given of this attack, and if there had been, there was nowhere for the people – already sheltering from devastation elsewhere – to go.

  72. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    30 Jul, 2014 - 8:49 am

    Thanks Glen, maybe that explains why Hamas draws fire upon its own people, rather than shifting their missile through the tunnels, mostly destroyed now,and lob them from Israel proper.

    Who would want to target an Israeli Kibbuz if missiles originated from its compound?

  73. Don’t mention fascism, because if you do, then the whole business of zionist narrative will start unravelling, for fascism was practised only by Germans, who are the ultimate standard of evil. This is a kind of SI unit of evil that if diluted then really the zionist scum will have no place to run to, and they cannot in anyway explain away their barbarity, land theft, aggression that in return they expect to get a special dispensation of exceptionalism that absolves them for the horrors they perpetrate.

    Hence fascism then is the caricature of moustachioed leather boot and overcoat clad, heel clicking champagne drinker, who sports a monocle, and whose sole mission is nothing other than the “destruction of the j-ws”.

    Therefore anyone pointing to fascism and its practice anywhere in the big wide world (Earth included) they are talking nonsense. It is a sort of a zionist thing!

    The zionist scum bags in effect are dictating as to what the “reality is” as they revise the actualities to fit their own obtuse narrative.

  74. There are several groups opposing payment of our TV licences on Facebook. But nothing coordinated. Tony Rooke’s one-man effort was spirited, but nothign has ensued from it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZBM-pkJPio

    The BBC reports almost nothing about the genocide in Ukraine. BBC Russia put a report together where eye-witnesses to the shootdown of MH17 were interviewed claiming that a fighter plane appeared to have shot it down. The report was removed because it does not meet the BBC agenda requirements.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted-bbc-report-ukrainian-fighter-jet-shot-down-mhi7-donetsk-eyewitnesses/5393631

    Something needs to be done. Getting fed crap is one thing. Having to pay for it is something else.

  75. Very good BBC. Hammond steps in with an Ebola scare when the top story should of course be that the Gaza child-killers have shelled another UN shelter. Nicely timed by the new neocon at the FCO to steal the top slot.

    Crimes against humanity should be the charge against Israel. The EU are too frightened of them to push that; the UK and US are collaborators.

  76. @Mike: US/UK seem to have taken control of the EU (level 3 sanctions yesterday for no other reason that “because we say so”). Only hope is for individual European States to reclaim their sovereignty. That might also have a big impact on voting regarding Israel/Palestine.

  77. Did you hear the one about the old lady that rang the hotel reception furious because she could see a man with no clothes on in the building opposite?

    The manager goes to her room and looks through the window. “I can’t see a naked man” he says. “You have to stand on the chair” said the old lady.

  78. @Clark: We shouldn’t be surprised by this. The current crop of Tories have emanated to some extent from the banned (by Norman Tebbit…) organisation FCS, some of whom used to wear “Hang Mandela” t-shirts. Check out on Wikipedia.

    Margaret Thatcher politicised the police at the time of the miners strike. Plenty of evidence recently emerged to support that. The FCS were well known for being more Thatcherite than Thatcher, so we shouldn’t be surprised that they are giving us a taste of what it’ll be like if they have an overall majority. If Clegg had any backbone at all, he’d withdraw support right now.

  79. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    30 Jul, 2014 - 10:10 am

    Where’s Blair?

    Yesterday: UAE. Returned at midnight.

    At a guess, this will be the propping-up-Sisi exercise, funded by UAE:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jul/02/tony-blair-advise-egypt-president-sisi-economic-reform

  80. An injured Gazan child is now the top picture (and story)

    Thank you BBC. Their blood cries out.

  81. That UN Protectorate story came from here.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/28/1317232/-UN-Protectorate-for-Gaza-and-West-Bank#

    ABOUT DAILY KOS

    Founded on May 26, 2002, Daily Kos is the premier online political community with 2.5 million unique visitors per month and a quarter of a million registered users. It is at once a news organization, community, and activist hub. Among luminaries posting diaries on the site are President Jimmy Carter, Senator Barack Obama, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, and dozens of other senators, congressmen, and governors. Even more exciting than that, however, are the hundreds of thousands of regular Americans that have used Daily Kos to shape a political world once the exclusive domain of the rich, connected, and powerful.

    I can imagine the Hamas leaders, up against the wall, reading this Abbas proposal to sell out. Given the UN is less than a ‘Bandaid’ for the Palestinians now, what the hell would it be like as a UN Protectorate? Same terrible oppression. Same blue and white Israeli flags. The imperator, with its surrogates the US and the UK, would see it as a way to completely extinguish these good and so tolerant humans.

    I wonder why it has not been broadcast.

    Wonderful people the British high commands. And now forget these brown people in the East Mediterranean with their many injured and dying, with their burst ear drums from thermobaric weapons and homes collapsed to rubble.

    But hey it’s the flower show this Saturday, the Torygraph has just come through the letterbox, those wonderful athletes are hopping, jumping and cycling in Glasgow, house prices are going up fast and we’re off to our holiday home in Corfu soon.

    As with the Palestinians, forget all the young adults who are billeted with their parents until they are in their 30s. The fact that the people at the bottom go on losing out all the time in this world of rabid capital is one of the most difficult things to bear.

  82. It’s all a horrible,tasteless show! and is meant to make stupid people think that the government is trying to reduce immigration.
    This government and the one before is in favour of mass immigration,it is almost their only economic policy.

  83. We have a figure for the number of decent Israeli Jews – less than 4% think Israeli has used excessive firepower against targets in the Gaza Strip.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/over-90-of-jewish-israelis-say-gaza-op-justified/

  84. Finkelstein put it best, when he said Israel was now “a lunatic state”. Unfortunately pandered to by the rest of the world.

  85. Cameron outlines immigration curbs ‘to put Britain first’

    David Cameron said the “magnetic pull” of UK benefits had to be addressed so people came for the right reasons and the rules “put Britain first”.

    The prime minister also warned people who are in the UK illegally: “We will find you, we will send you home.”

    The contrived and manipulated raid was intended to mesh with the above announcement and reinforce a recognized vote winning construct.

    Hypnotic, irresistible, seductive WebCameron ‘Hollywood’ bollocks.

  86. @Peacewhisher – “US/UK seem to have taken control of the EU (level 3 sanctions yesterday for no other reason that “because we say so”). Only hope is for individual European States to reclaim their sovereignty. That might also have a big impact on voting regarding Israel/Palestine.”

    I also think that the US and the EU have had similar aims for a long time.

  87. It wasn’t always thus, GF. For example, at the turn of the century, the EU was very much against US/UK plans for surveillance of electronic traffic.

  88. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    30 Jul, 2014 - 11:10 am

    We have a figure for the number of decent Israeli Jews – less than 4% think Israeli has used excessive firepower against targets in the Gaza Strip.

    Can’t argue with the stats, can you? We now have the true measure of this great nation. Incidentally, the figures are not too different in the US.

  89. I’ve just read in the Guardian that Philip Hammond refused this morning to say whether he thought Israel’s actions in Gaza were disproportionate – despite being asked 5 times on the Today programme.

    No wonder Israelis have lost any sense of decent-mindedness when they have sycophants like that to appease them.

  90. je, 10:46 am; I think there are serious reasons to doubt that 4% figure:

    http://tabithatroughton.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/standing-with-the-israelis/

    Media companies have their own agendas that rarely include peace, which sells little daily media, thus attracting few eyes to corporate adverts, just for starters. There are ways to warp opinion polls – how the sample is selected (ask yourself what could be done with all that telephone metadata. In Israel!), the timing with regard to other events including the media’s own reporting, and what exact wording is used. Maybe psychologists / PR experts are asked to frame the questions such as to provoke a specific response. Compare the response to the Iraq poll in the UK, for instance. Please don’t let the corporate media marginalise those whose voices are calling for peace, and such calls from within Israel are particularly valuable to the peace argument.

  91. @ Peacewisher – “It wasn’t always thus, GF. For example, at the turn of the century, the EU was very much against US/UK plans for surveillance of electronic traffic.”

    Good old times, eh?

  92. 10.50-BBC,EU,racist propaganda suggesting that working “Native” British all lazy,drug ridden,wife beating,benefit dependent and living off the state.
    Luckily the working class don’t watch the BBC!

  93. It’s divide and conquer from the corporate media. Convince us peace supporters that we hardly any support in this country or that, or anywhere. Beat the drums for war, just as Herman Hesse said pre-WWII, but now with modern technology. Just don’t buy it. Literally.

  94. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    30 Jul, 2014 - 11:35 am

    Mark – that’s old news. Since then he’s been to Vietnam, China, the US and the UAE, without a chirp out of him about Gaza since the 16th, when his Netanyahu-dictated ceasefire proposal was given the reception it deserved.

    Details may be found on previous comments pages.

    This would be in line with the growing picture of the Quartet as a cabal of globalists intent on diluting the UN’s influence and eventually exploiting the cheap labour market to be offered by the Palestinians in their Bantustans. If so, he’ll be staying in the job. He’s doing fine.

  95. Clark – Thanks for the link. I hope for their sake, as well as the Palestinians, that that figure isn’t accurate.

  96. Geoffrey, 11:30 am; thanks; that demonstrates my point nicely. The corporate media is above us plebs; we’re all filth – in the EU, the States, and even Israel. Bomb, bomb, bomb humanity. Bomb each other. You all hate each other anyway, don’t you? You hate each other, and love our papers and TV programmes that tell you others are inferior to you. Buy us! Betray each other!

    Next up, there’s a really exciting and violent war film, where everyone dies except the young beautiful people who save each other and have sex happily ever after.

    That’s Right Folks Don’t Touch That Dial!

  97. “There are several groups opposing payment of our TV licences on Facebook.”

    To say nothing of Sky and Rupert Murdoch’s empire – of course some socialists believe that some things are better provided by collective provision rather than relying on the free markets for everything. If you think the BBC is bad try Fox News.

  98. We know you all hate each other because we know what films you buy – war, crime, death, guts, blood, and horror. We know exactly which scenes moved you most. We monitored your heart rate and breathing in the cinema. The cameras in our Intel set-top boxes captured the expressions on your faces as you saw the scenes unfolding before your eyes…

  99. They really are the bloodiest of bastards. When will their lust for blood be quenched?

    Today Israel targeted @UNRWA vehicle, and murdered Professor Bashir Al-Hajjar, 3 PhDs, and his brother Samir.

    pic.twitter.com/ulrus8YyPo

    https://twitter.com/PalAnonymous/status/494275591479496704/photo/1

  100. Intel set top boxes watching viewers:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=set+top+boxes+camera

    What does “intel” generally denote? Is your computer “Intel Inside”? And that’s good, right? They’re taking the piss.

  101. Good to see you back, Mary.

  102. £3m in additional aid for Gaza from Cameron according to Sky.

    I’m sure the Palestinians would rather he and the rest of the EU did something to stop the bombs falling. And that the UK hadn’t supplied things like parts for sniper rifles to Israel. The financial damage to Gaza will run into billions.

  103. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    30 Jul, 2014 - 12:05 pm

    Oh, and I forgot the Quartet’s interest in the Gaza gas field, didn’t I? Looks like BP (advisor, JP Morgan, “advisor”, Tony Blair) are currently in the running for a cut. Once Gaza’s safely ungoverned again.

  104. “Intel Inside”

    Not on your nelly, it is AMD all the way. Anyway the 64bit actually performs what it says in the brochure.

    The need for such a pervasive surveillance regiment arises from the elite (plutocrats, banksters, and their coterie the charge hands) and their tenuous grip on power! If the standard issue blessed moron knew the extent of their power …… Well world would be in a totally different shape and format.

    The misanthropy earlier referred to in this thread is to dis-empower and oppress the blessed morons who are all too busy hating their own humanity, and their own kind, through a plethora of excuses, that are amply exploited by the same carpetbaggers (elite) to keep the blessed morons in check.

  105. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    30 Jul, 2014 - 12:21 pm

    In any case, Je, why does anyone other than Israel have to pay for the havoc it causes every couple of years? Why is MAP still in existence after THIRTY years of this?

    MAP’s voluntary income totalled £2,789,000 in the year ending March 2013, and it spent it all, so big fucking deal, Cameron.

    http://www.map-uk.org/

    Another petition to sign, addressed to the pink plastic prime minister:

    http://www.map-uk.org/campaign-with-us/gaza-crisis-an-open-letter-to-david-cameron

    Getting it stopped would be a lot more productive than signing a cheque on the Bank of Me, Dave.

  106. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jul, 2014 - 12:48 pm

    “Good to see you back, Mary.”
    __________________

    A matter of opinion, dear Clark.

    But it’s sure that there will be 20%* more comments than over the past couple of days!

    _________________

    * figure based on a count of Mary’s comments over the last few weeks.

  107. Green Party manifest…George Monbiot wrote
    Rough as this proposal is, it will start to challenge the political consensus and draw people who thought they had nowhere to turn. Expect the billionaires’ boot boys to start screaming, once they absorb the implications. And take their boos and jeers as confirmation that it’s onto something. You wanted a progressive alternative? You’ve got it.

    http://www.monbiot.com/2014/07/29/unmasked/
    also in the Guardian today

  108. Habbubkuk, as you well know, Mary has returned from hospital. Did you wish her to die?

  109. Habbabkuk, I believe you are a member of the political establishment. You know Mary was in hospital because you monitor squonk.tk. Your attitude sometimes disgusts me. You are an embarrassment to the entire political class, and I look forward to the day that your identity is exposed.

  110. One or two plus user names on this blog barely make it worthwhile to to bother with a response to certain comments being posted. Anyway ….. life sort of goes on.

  111. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    30 Jul, 2014 - 1:21 pm

    Hi Mary, hope you’re well.

  112. Hi Mary,

    Good to see you back! I have missed your informative comments and links, look forward to reading more of your work.

    ==========

    I look forward to the day that your identity is exposed.

    I doubt the political class membership, in reality there exists a high probability of a zealot and a pusillanimous sycophant. However I join in looking forward to the exposure of identity too, a very well deserved case for publicity and exposure.

  113. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    30 Jul, 2014 - 1:34 pm

    If H is a member of the political establishment he must be a Con FoI who argues a lot. Doesn’t narrow the field much, I’m afraid. And would the field be embarrassed? Only if the donations disappeared. Peter Oborne outlined the procedure, the last-time-but-one Israel cooked up an excuse for bombing refugees:

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/peter-oborne-james-jones/pro-israel-lobby-in-britain-full-text

    In which-

    he summarises the recruitment and support by Israel of the Quartet’s Representative to the Middle East…

    One of Tony Blair’s first acts on becoming an MP in 1983 was to join Labour Friends of Israel. He remained close to the group throughout his career, regularly appearing at their events. Jon Mendelsohn, a former chairman of the LFI, and now Gordon Brown’s chief election fundraiser, speaking in 2007, described Tony Blair’s achievement in transforming the Labour Party’s position on Israel. “Blair attacked the anti-Israelism that had existed in the Labour Party. Old Labour was cowboys-and-Indians politics, picking underdogs to support, but the milieu has changed. Zionism is pervasive in New Labour. It is automatic that Blair will come to Labour Friends of Israel meetings.”

    Blair succeeded in making the Labour party more attractive to donors connected with the Labour Friends of Israel. The key figure in building these relationships was, of course, Michael Levy*.

    Blair met Levy in 1994 at a dinner party thrown by Gideon Meir, number two at the Israeli Embassy. Blair was just back from a trip to Israel with the LFI.

    The two men quickly recognised the mutual benefits offered by the relationship. By early 1995, Blair was leader of the opposition and he dropped in on his new friend for a swim and a game of tennis almost every weekend. Levy had been collecting donations to a blind trust, known as the Labour Leader’s Office Fund, raising nearly two million pounds, a sum “previously unimaginable for a Labour leader”.14 Blair maintained that he was unaware of the sources of these donations despite being in almost constant contact with Levy and even meeting some of the donors.

    We now know that the secret donors included funders of pro-Israel groups such as Trevor Chinn and Emmanuel Kaye. Levy had played a crucial role in persuading donors that Labour had changed.

    Blair told Levy, “I am absolutely determined that we must not go into the next election financially dependent on the trade unions.” Instead, Blair became financially dependent on large donors, some of whom had very strong views on Israel.

    *Michael Levy was one of the guests at Cherie’s 59 11/12th birthday party on the 21st. Presumably he’s got over being left holding Blair’s cash-for-honours baby…

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/may/12/cashforhonours.tonyblair

  114. Passerby, from comments on this blog, Habbabkuk has a specialist’s knowledge of immigration legislation, treaty negotiation, internal EU structure, the meaning of honours and suchlike and what they’re awarded for; all such stuff as this. Its argument style is typical of the empty rhetoric heard every day in the House of Commons. And it follows approved Establishment lines to the letter. I’m convinced that Habbabkuk is a character run by a senior politician or someone on his staff.

  115. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    30 Jul, 2014 - 1:37 pm

    Thanks for the link to MAP, Ba’al, I hope they get to 10.000 soon.

  116. Myself:

    “Habbabkuk has a specialist’s knowledge of immigration legislation, treaty negotiation, internal EU structure, the meaning of honours and suchlike and what they’re awarded for; all such stuff as this”

    That doesn’t mean that Habbabkuk represents any of its knowledge honestly; quite the opposite. Like most politicians, it stresses and gently exaggerates the points it wishes to make, and studiously avoids, misrepresents or creates dramatic diversions from all others.

    It passes the Duck Test.

  117. The pair of them really are nasty pieces of work.They don’t even believe in what they are doing. It’s simply to outUkip, UKIP.Cameron’s call for a ceasefire in Gaza was probably a knee jerk to public protest which the BBC can’t stuff down the memory hole.
    Britain is run pretty much by corporations ( City + Lobby )Our Police have become tools of the Government.Our armed forces have become aggressive in nature.Censorship in the media is rife.Protest is still permitted but 100% controlled by the Police.Privacy has all but disappeared. I would call that fascist.

    Hear hear Clark !!

    And welcome back Mary.

  118. Thanks Clark, Nevermind and Passerby for your welcomes and good wishes. I am pleased to be home and am absolutely devastated at what is still going on in Gaza. I caught glimpses of images on screens which seem to have multiplied everywhere. There is a Costa coffee shop in the hospital entrance and I noticed a TV was on showing Sky News.

    A great movement of people goes through all the time inwards and outwards and it is not difficult to appreciate the demand on the NHS for treatment. Costa is located where a simple little League of Friends’ shop and drinks service used to be staffed by volunteers. They were booted out. I expect Mr ‘Unt’s NHS England now gets a cut from Costa’s takings. They are being replaced by M&S I gather.

  119. Not forgetting Donny Darko. Missed you all but wish we were talking about anything other than an unequal war in the ME. Has anyone mentioned that Cameron and Hague’s Libyan legacy is on fire?

  120. Hi Mary, hope you are well

  121. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    30 Jul, 2014 - 2:09 pm

    Donny: Our armed forces have become aggressive in nature

    Don’t want to be a smartass, but they’re supposed to be. The problem is what they’re told to do (they have no option but to do it) – not the way that they do it. There are plenty of thinking Servicemenpersons who are less than happy about the politicians’ ideas for their employment, and not just because their lives are on the line.

  122. Mary, 1:58 pm:

    “Has anyone mentioned that Cameron and Hague’s Libyan legacy is on fire?”

    Mary, please post some links about this for me.

    In case it helps at all, there is a little good news from Israel; here’s the link I posted earlier:

    http://tabithatroughton.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/standing-with-the-israelis/

  123. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    30 Jul, 2014 - 2:26 pm

    “So we are to understand that you are in favor of eliminating both the English and the Scotch as distinct racial and cultural entities,”

    After I posted that I regretted using Scots as an example. It was a general comment on Nationalism and the traps it sets for all of us.

    Hope you are fit as a fiddle Mary.

  124. Bugger (the Panda)

    30 Jul, 2014 - 2:35 pm

    nevermind, it will happen anyway

    29 Jul, 2014 – 10:59 pm

    Maybe because they would give the position of the tunnels away, too cheaply?

    Axiomatic?

  125. That doesn’t mean that Habbabkuk represents any of its knowledge honestly; quite the opposite.

    Clark you are a stand up guy, who is always debating in good faith, as well as trying to reason with those whose unreason and unlogic smack of tribalism, supremacy and mendacity.

    However the following clarifies that some of those debating here, are not debating in good faith, but are playing to the gallery:

    You are correct in supposing that nothing and no one – repeat, nothing and no one – will ever convince the Eminences of anything which runs counter to their unique and obsessions on various matters, but to quit because of that is to accept that those nutters post on here from a genuine desire to be informed and to discuss and debate. That is obviously not the case – their objective is simply to use this blog as a megaphone for shouting the “ideas” and theories to which they are irrevocably attached.

    This being so, it is important for more level-headed and saner people like you, Resident Dissident, Kempe and so on to keep an eye on their ravings and to counter them whenever necessary so that the “man-in-the-street” reader is made aware that there are some on here who are not nutters and that there are alternative narratives on this blog.

    As always in the way of fishwives logic projections forming the basis of their assumptions, that elegantly follows with the by the numbers denunciations, as their formula for retorts and responses.

    Clearly there is no debate, or any attempt to exchange views, but a systematic and uniform effort to reiterate the “alternative” that is the main stay policies of the current genocide and land theft. The roll call of the “honour”; (you, Resident Dissident, Kempe and so on) are not here to debate, but to counter any alternative view and swamp it with the torrents of nonsense peddled in the corporate media and espoused by the bought and paid for political actors.

    Clark how can the distortion of justice that are unfolding in Palestine can occur without the comprehensive blanket of lies and fraudulent narrative?

    The “finer points of immigration etc”, are all related to the rise in population of the Muslims who are aware of the actualities and represent a danger to the narrative. Thus the tools to curtail any such outcome are also part of the curriculum of study for these cretins using this blog and elsewhere to maintain the comprehensive blanket of lies.

    These appointed (make no mistake, they are getting paid in kind or otherwise) fraudsters, liars and cheats take pride in lying and fooling their audience; “the man in the street”, in a perverse fashion they misconstrue such behaviour as the traits of “intellect and intelligence”.

    You are debating in good faith, whilst these characters are using this blog to peddle the same dross that the corporate media is flooding all channels of communications with. The fear of the case for the “alternative” that is the true reality taking roots! All the while using zersetzung methods (why spoil a good recipe) to deter the others not as easily fooled, by bullying them into silence.

  126. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jul, 2014 - 2:43 pm

    Clark

    You are really a very silly bugger, aren’t you.

    You interpret my comment as meaning I had hoped that Mary would not emerge from hospital. As I don’t believe you’re the malicious type, to so interpret my comment can only mean that you are stupider than I’d thought.

    It’s good that she’s out of hospital (I would say the same about my next door neighbour, by the way) but I contest the assertion that it’s good she’s started commenting again.

    Clear enough, Dummkopf?

    And now go and wring your hands about something else.

  127. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jul, 2014 - 2:50 pm

    Passerby (and Clark)

    “However I join in looking forward to the exposure of identity too, a very well deserved case for publicity and exposure.”
    _________________________

    And you (Passerby)are another stupid one, aren’t you.

    Stupid people don’t have usually have good memories, so I’ll remind you that I once, in response to provocation, challenged ALL the Eminences and Useful idiots to reveal their identities and addresses on here, whereupon I would so the same.

    Result – only one taker (Jives), silence from the rest.

    So I now repeat the challenge and invite you to show the rest the good example.

    Over to you.

  128. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    30 Jul, 2014 - 2:52 pm

    Clark @ 2:43

    No good deed goes unpunished as you get bitten trying to offer food to a dog.

  129. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jul, 2014 - 2:54 pm

    Mr Donny Darko

    “Britain is run pretty much by corporations ( City + Lobby )Our Police have become tools of the Government.Our armed forces have become aggressive in nature.Censorship in the media is rife.Protest is still permitted but 100% controlled by the Police.Privacy has all but disappeared. I would call that fascist.”
    ___________________________

    Your view that the UK is fascist does not surprise me, because other comments from you have shown me that you must be a rather disturbed person.

    I am therefore interested in Craig’s view and not yours, for the oppposite reason – namely that Craig is still a normal person.

  130. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jul, 2014 - 2:55 pm

    California Ben

    Well, there is the saying, isn’t there : never do anyone a favour if you don’t want him to hate you for it.

  131. Heeeeerrrres Habbabkluk! Complete with an armful of sayings from long-dead grannies and a trailer-load of Ad Hominem.

  132. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jul, 2014 - 3:05 pm

    Passerby

    Further proof of your stupidity.

    “The roll call of the “honour”; (you, Resident Dissident, Kempe and so on) are not here to debate, but to counter any alternative view”
    _______________

    On the contrary : we are here (well, I speak for myself) as alternative voices to counter the pensée unique reigning on this blog.

    That is why you and the other Eminences (about 20 of you) and Useful Fools get so upset. You used to have things all your own way – all smiling at each other and congratulating each other on your brilliant “insights” and cut-and-pastes – and then up pop a couple of people who don’t buy your ravings and dare to say so.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “….to deter the others not as easily fooled, by bullying them into silence.”
    _________________

    Yeah, sure. 2O Eminences and a cohort of Useful Idiots against myself, Anon, Kempe and Resident Dissident and it’s WE who are “bullying” YOU?

    Puleeeeze!

    Eminences – please find a better spokesman, this one’s hopeless!

  133. Habbabkuk, you are mendacious. That was your first comment since Mary returned from treatment. You must have been aware that from her point of view, you were effectively wishing death upon her.

    You owe Mary an apology, but I doubt your soul includes such decency.

  134. Anh Habbabkuk, I posted a reasonable question to you early in this thread. Please answer.

  135. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    30 Jul, 2014 - 3:27 pm

    It’s called Supply and Demand, The inventories must be replenished, and the Military/Industrial Complex must keep their assembly lines running. Use it or lose it.

    http://www.therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=12175

    “We’ve seen in the last couple of years a pattern. Every two years or so, the Israeli military attacks Gaza, attacks the Gaza Strip, and causes a lot of destruction. But right after each one of those attacks, there is a trade show in which Israeli weapon companies show their wares, show their technologies, and boast that these are the very technologies that have been used just now against Palestinians in Gaza. We saw that after the attack of 2008-2009, known as Cast Lead, where the main theme was those robots that go into houses to look around corners. Then we saw that again in the attack of 2012, which was called Pillar of Cloud, in which the main theme was the Iron Dome system that can intercept the Palestinian rockets. And now, in the current attack, we have again the Iron Dome system that is supposed to intercept rockets.

    And all of these Israeli companies, which are becoming an increasingly important and very significant part of the Israeli export system and the Israeli economy, depend on those wars. They depend on periodic fighting where they can showcase their equipment, their technology. And the first thing that they say when they try to market whatever it is that they develop: we’ve already used that on actual human beings. And by making that claim, they’re able to compete with weapon manufacturers from other countries.

    DESVARIEUX: But, Shir, which companies are we talking about here? And are any of them connected to the United States?

    HEVER: One of the major companies that we’re talking about is Israeli Aerospace Industries. This company, there was a little article about it in the newspaper just two days ago that right now, in the middle of this attack, they’ve issued a call–they’ve issued bonds and tried to raise finance in order to expand the company and increase their production. And they were able to raise $132 million in just one week, which comes up as $132,000 per Palestinian killed in this attack. By now, there are more Palestinians who have been killed, but by now the company’s also sold additional bonds. And this company sees a direct relation between the violence against Gaza and the ability of this company to find new markets for its products.

    Another very prominent company is called Elbit Systems. This is a very famous Israeli company which specializes in drones. And, of course, they’re also very active in this war.

  136. KOWN and Ben. Thanks a lot. It is kind of you.

    Habbabkuk. Get used to it. You’ll have me for some time longer.

    Clark Libya.

    Libya: It Was All Supposed To Be Very Different

    David Cameron arrived to a hero’s welcome in 2011 – but now violence threatens to destabilise further an already volatile region.

    news.sky.com 8:47pm, 28 July 2014

    Oil Sending Libya Down Somalia’s Route To Ruin

    The repercussions of losing Libya are monumental, especially for Europe, writes ex-advisor to Libya’s government Richard Bailey.

    news.sky.com 6:58pm, 28 July 2014

    Rival Militia Groups Spark Libyan Oil Depot Fire

    Hundreds of residents evacuate their homes after armed groups battling for control of Tripoli airport ignite an oil-storage tank.

    news.sky.com 6:29pm, 28 July 2014

    British Embassy Convoy Attacked In Libya

    The Foreign Office urges all Britons to leave as further attacks on foreigners are likely amid a “greater intensity of fighting”.

    news.sky.com 4:52am, 28 July 2014

    http://news.sky.com/search?term=libya&fromdate=anytime&order=date

  137. Mary, thanks.

    I have to go out now. Habbabkuk, grow a heart.

  138. Jolly good. Rather an about turn since May!!!

    Every little helps!

    July 29, 2014

    Britain’s largest supermarket chain Tesco boycotts products from occupied West Bank
    http://www.redressonline.com/2014/07/britains-largest-supermarket-chain-tesco-boycotts-products-from-occupied-west-bank/

    Tuesday, 13 May 2014, 13:32
    Subject: TES5414946NI: Re your recent enquiry

    Dear Mrs ……

    As a responsible retailer, we take very seriously our duty to ensure that all our products are safe and legal. Our approach is therefore to stick carefully to UK and EU guidelines. These require that product from this area be labelled clearly with its regional indication.

    We therefore follow Defra guidelines which recommend that labels for products from the West Bank state either “Produce of the West Bank (Israeli Settlement Produce)” or “Produce of the West Bank (Palestinian Produce)” . Customers can then choose whether to buy the product on the basis of this information.

    I am sorry if this is not the answer you were hoping for. Please be assured that we will always be careful to follow labelling guidelines. If you remain concerned about these issues you may wish to raise this with EU and UK Government bodies.

    Kind regards

    ………..
    Tesco Customer Service

    Tesco Logo

    ……………… Original Message ………………

    To: customer.service@tesco.co.uk
    From: ……….
    Received: 08/05/2014

    Subject: Tesco Customer Service Enquiry Call Form

    Title: Mrs
    First Name: M
    Surname: Email: Other

    Wish a reply: yes
    Additional Information: When I visited your …… store this morning to do my weekly shopping, I was very disturbed to see that you are selling produce grown in Israel, namely ‘baby potatoes’. I replaced them on the shelf when I saw their origin. You also stock Medjool dates and peppers from Israel.

    You know that Israel stole land that belonged to the Palestinians in Al Naqba in 1948 and more again in 1967. Palestinian homes and villages were razed to the ground and house demolitions continue to this day. Settlements in large numbers are being built.

    Palestinian water is used to produce the exported food items whereas the Palestinians themselves do not have access to drinking water and have to buy bottled water.

    If your practice of stocking produce labelled as of Israeli origin continues, I will apply my own personal boycott of your stores and will also inform my friends who shop with you.

    The Israeli Occupation is cruel, illegal, inhumane and revolting.

    ———
    This is a confidential email. Tesco may monitor and record all emails. The views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not Tesco.

    Tesco Stores Limited
    Company Number: 519500
    Registered in England
    Registered Office: Tesco House, Delamare Road, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire EN8 9SL
    VAT Registration Number: GB 220 4302 31

  139. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    30 Jul, 2014 - 3:44 pm

    Nice, Mary. Consumer awareness and activism hits them where it hurts the most. They sure cried genuine tears when the FAA and US stopped flights into Israel. Economic terrorism !

  140. Poor child. He wouldn’t have known much about it I hope.

    Wonder what the US military plane was doing in Mali????

    Child ‘Stowaway’ Found Dead On US Military Plane
    Ground crew discovered the body of the young boy in the plane’s wheel well when it landed in Germany after a mission to Africa.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1310049/child-stowaway-found-dead-on-us-military-plane

    What a world. I have just encountered healers and carers, each of them worth 1000x the likes of Cameron/Clegg/Hague/Hammond and the rest.

  141. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    30 Jul, 2014 - 3:48 pm

    Blood for Gas.

    http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2489992/armed_robbery_in_gaza_israel_us_uk_carve_up_the_spoils_of_palestines_stolen_gas.html

    “Israel desperately covets Gaza’s gas as a ‘cheap stop-gap’ yielding revenues of $6-7 billion a year, writes Nafeez Ahmed. The UK’s BG and the US’s Noble Energy are lined up to do the dirty work – but first Hamas must be ‘uprooted’ from Gaza, and Fatah bullied into cutting off its talks with Russia’s Gazprom.”

  142. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    30 Jul, 2014 - 3:49 pm

    @ Bugger the Panda.

    you said..Maybe because they would give the position of the tunnels away, too cheaply?

    Axiomatic?

    Well at the moment they are losing the tunnels even cheaper, and some life’s to boot. If a tunnel has been discovered its value is virtually nil.
    So what would be the last use for a tunnel?

  143. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    30 Jul, 2014 - 3:57 pm

    Israel has a cost effective means of persuading residents to relocate. Water quality? At least that can’t get worse in Gaza.

    http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/gao-report-drinking-water-at-risk-from-underground-fracking-waste-injection

    “The U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) publicly released its report this week finding that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is “not consistently conducting two key oversight and enforcement activities for class II programs” for underground fluid injection wells associated with oil and gas production. The report shows that the EPA’s program to protect drinking water sources from underground injection of fracking waste needs improvement.

    According to the report, “The U.S. EPA does not consistently conduct annual on-site state program evaluations as directed in guidance because, according to some EPA officials, the agency does not have the resources to do so.” The report also found that “to enforce state class II requirements, under current agency regulations, EPA must approve and incorporate state program requirements and any changes to them into federal regulations through a rulemaking.”

    “The federal government’s watchdog is saying what communities across the country have known for years: fracking is putting Americans at risk,” said Amy Mall, senior policy analyst at the Natural Resources Defense Council. ”From drinking water contamination to man-made earthquakes, the reckless way oil and gas companies deal with their waste is a big problem. Outdated rules and insufficient enforcement are largely to blame. EPA needs to rein in this industry run amok.”

  144. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    30 Jul, 2014 - 4:17 pm

    “Wouldn’t the UNSC do something to Netanyahu for sassing them that way? Wouldn’t they devastate the Israeli economy the way they did the Iranian? Wouldn’t they authorize military action to protect civilians in Gaza from Israeli war crimes, as they did in Libya?”

    http://www.juancole.com/2014/07/impunity-defying-ceasefire.html

    ‘Omerta’ is a big obstacle to those seeking justice.

  145. Video: Mark Regev, deciphered
    Adam Horowitz on July 30, 2014
    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/video-regev-deciphered.html

    This is good. The video above was created by Alex Nunns, who subtitled a BBC interview with Israeli spokesperson Mark Regev. The interview follows the Israeli bombing of an UN school in Beit Hanoun that killed at least 16 Palestinians.

    I never thought I would see Maitlis in this mode. I almost felt sorry for Regev.

  146. Where is Jesus Christ? Go to the BBC website and there is a report of another atrocity. Look at the number injured!

    Strike on Gaza market ‘kills 15′ New
    At least 15 people are killed and 160 hurt as an Israeli strike hits a market crowded with shoppers near Gaza City, Palestinian officials say.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28571785

  147. Ben

    Stephen Dorrell said of the billions spent culling cattle because of BSE that nobody could have foreseen the consequences of feeding animal offal to cattle.

    Most of our water comes from boreholes and rivers in the UK and it is swiveleye lunacy to pollute our beautiful water supply with fracking.

    Tories think that banks are taps to draw out money from, animals are taps to draw out milk from. Someone somewhere is calculating the profits to be made from our having to buy our drinking water in bottles.

    Only Tories could even dream of polluting our beautiful water in this way.

  148. Come home to roast: Cameron’s ‘tough on immigration’ PR stunt backfires In a botched PR stunt to appear tough on immigration, David Cameron posed for photographs in the home of people arrested for alleged immigration offences, drawing accusations of “bad taste”.

    http://rt.com/uk/176752-cameron-criticized-illegal-immigrants/

  149. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    30 Jul, 2014 - 6:42 pm

    “Now the BGS report has put some numbers on the potential threat to Scotland from the third fracking method threating the UK, shale oil and gas. As with previous such reports these numbers are just oil or gas-in-place, rather what can be actually extracted. The report suggests there is 80.3 trillion cubic feet (tcf), or which 3.2 tcf might be extracted for a typical 4 percent recovery factor (but could be a lot less). This would require drilling 3200 wells in the Midland Valley to extract about 14 months of UK gas consumption. The threatened areas are some of the most populous in Scotland, including parts of Glasgow and Edinburgh”

    http://frack-off.org.uk/fracking-scotland-a-third-threat/

    Guano; Is the general public in UK as aware?

  150. Fight for your hospitals. Once the NHS has gone, that’s it. Finished.

    The ‘Biggest Hospital Closure In NHS History’
    LBC 97.3-10 hours ago
    … of action to protest against what they call “the biggest hospital closure … of two hospitals in West London is to be confirmed on Wednesday.
    http://www.lbc.co.uk/biggest-hospital-closure-in-nhs-history-to-be-confirmed-94553

    Charing Cross Hospital: Should It Be Closed?
    LBC 97.3-5 hours ago
    A board meeting has recommended the closure of Accident and … Protesters were gathered outside the board meeting to fight the closure of the units. … in healthcare in London to be clear about the arguments both ways.
    http://www.lbc.co.uk/biggest-hospital-closure-in-nhs-history-to-be-confirmed-94553

    Bedroom Tax and NHS campaigners lobby tonight’s Tower Hamlets …East London Advertiser-6 hours ago
    Protesters are lobbying tonight’s meeting of Tower Hamlets council over the … to save 22 east London surgeries at risk of closing from government ... Patients would be “forced to turn to busy hospital A&E departments” instead.
    http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/news/politics/bedroom_tax_and_nhs_campaigners_lobby_tonight_s_tower_hamlets_council_1_3706223

  151. ” There are no more schools in Gaza-we’ve killed all the children!” .Israeli singers on TV.

  152. Bugger (the Panda)

    30 Jul, 2014 - 7:44 pm

    nevermind, it will happen anyway

    A Tet type of attack?

  153. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    30 Jul, 2014 - 7:44 pm

    Here’s another from Mondoweiss: what language do we use to describe what’s going on?
    A….language cynical and corrupt enough in its euphemistic abusiveness and in its twisted doublespeak to convey the moral abomination of this slaughter in the name of a civilization that defends itself by placing its victims beyond the pale of civility….?

    I imagine that if I posted some extracts from the WW2 Nazi Der_Stürmer magazine they would be removed before too many people had seen them.

    But it’s the identical language.

  154. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    30 Jul, 2014 - 7:47 pm

  155. Bugger (the Panda)

    30 Jul, 2014 - 7:53 pm

    Ben

    Most of our water comes from boreholes and rivers in the UK and it is swiveleye lunacy to pollute our beautiful water supply with fracking.

    In Scotland only from rainfall, used piped directly from fresh water lochs outside the Central Belt, piped dirtectly and not recycled as drinking water.

    If Scotland votes Yes in September I guarantee that Westminster will pass some sort of Bill in the House of Lards to repatriate the control of Scotland’s unprivatised water resources which will then be privatised just like the PO.

    Then it will be piped down to London and the fracking sites in England.

    Remember fracking uses enormous volumes of water to extract a small quantity of gas. Water the England, even with Welsh resources just does not have.

  156. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    30 Jul, 2014 - 8:02 pm

    Bugger;

    “If Scotland votes Yes in September I guarantee that Westminster will pass some sort of Bill in the House of Lards to repatriate the control of Scotland’s unprivatised water resources which will then be privatised just like the PO”

    Do you mean they will try to preempt the Referendum before it takes effect?

  157. “Do you mean they will try to preempt the Referendum before it takes effect?”

    Don’t worry Ben, Westminster has no control whatsoever over Scotland’s water, it was devolved. All Scotland’s water is controlled by a corporation which is controlled by the Scottish government. It can’t happen.

  158. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    30 Jul, 2014 - 8:50 pm

    US policy co-ordinated with Israeli, on Gaza. Despite Kerry’s earnest appearance.

    http://mwcnews.net/focus/politics/43928-israels-attack-on-gaza.html

    (Don’t forget to ‘find, on this page’ the words “Tony Blair”)

  159. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    30 Jul, 2014 - 8:59 pm

    Another petition, organised by David Ward MP.
    Can’t do any harm. Sign here:

    http://davidward.org.uk/en/petition/we-demand-the-british-government-stands-up-for-the-palestinians-now

  160. GAZA, PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES—Israeli strikes hit a crowded shopping area in Gaza City, hours after tank shells tore through the walls of a U.N. school crowded with war refugees Wednesday in the deadliest of a series of air and artillery attacks that push the Palestinian death toll above 1,300 in more than three weeks of fighting.

    The bloodshed came on the heels of an escalation by both sides fighting in the embattled coastal territory, further dimming prospects for a sustainable ceasefire despite international diplomatic efforts.

  161. Guano
    “Only Tories could even dream of polluting our beautiful water in this way.”

    Only the tories? Labour, the LibDems and UKIP all seem keen too.

  162. Regarding “the man on the street” who happens to fall into the blog… Well, excuse us, Habby, for daring to attempt to tell the truth.

    Why is it that you prefer lies based on image and perception to real people in real communities, who have the capacity to be amazingly nice and cooperative to each other, and not just compete for some hypothetical pot of gold?

    The post-war society our forebears built may not have been rich but in terms of personal and community values it was the envy of the world.

  163. Lol, Phil. So true!

  164. Thanks for the petition link, Ba’al.

    I won’t sign any petition on behalf of the Liberal Democrats until all their MPs stand up to their coalition partners on this matter. If that means removal of Nick Clegg as leader, then that’s what must happen.

  165. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    30 Jul, 2014 - 9:59 pm

    Peacewisher: I think you might look at what Jenny Tonge (LibDem), Lord Dykes (LibDem, ex-Tory MOD), Baronness Blackstone (Lab) and Lord Deben (Con) had to say about Gaza on the 17th July.

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201415/ldhansrd/text/140717-0001.htm#14071753000635

    Some members of all parties disapprove of what’s going on in Gaza (including, obviously, David Ward.) I don’t think this admits of the luxury of trying to persuade the likes of Clegg. In any case, he’s a busted flush. I don’t care who stands up to BICOM’s Israeli moneybagses and the corporate Atlanticists. Enough that they are encouraged to do so. The object of these petitions is to demonstrate that there is some shit a substantial slice of public opinion (=voters) will not eat.

  166. If anyone wants to donate to Gaza

    The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees

    http://www.unrwa.org/donate

    Palestine Red Crescent

    http://www.palestinercs.org/en/donate.php

  167. Nevermind it will Happen Anyway @ 10.59pm “Now to the issue of one way traffic tunnels/ Why has nobody in Hamas thought of moving their missiles through these tunnels and launch them from Israel?” I thought that, 2,000 missiles just to blow the desert up, not good military tactics. Israels worst fears are the closure of Ben Gurion Airport and the resultant collapse of the economy, including the tourist industry. Speigal online had an article on the manufacturing of these simple rockets, a small team could produce 100 in one shift. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/graveyard-shift-for-islamic-jihad-a-visit-to-a-gaza-rocket-factory-a-531578.html Ben Gurion would be so vulnerable to these rockets and with a flight time of only several seconds would be unstoppable. Many International court lawyers would regard the targeting of Ben Gurion[with sufficient warning] as a legal belligerent reprisal, since that would be in response to an earlier war crime [which it refuses to stop] committed by Israel, the deliberate targeting of civilians and civilian infrastructure http://normanfinkelstein.com/2014/are-hamas-rocket-attacks-
    illegal/ HRW’s Deputy Middle East and North Africa director stated in the first press release. “All attacks, including reprisal attacks, that target or indiscriminately harm civilians are prohibited under the laws of war, period.” Not so. International law does not—at any rate, not yet—prohibit belligerent reprisals.[4]The United States and Britain, among others, have staunchly defended the right of a state to use nuclearweapons by way of belligerent reprisal.[5] By this standard, the people of Gaza surely have the right to use makeshift projectiles to end an illegal, merciless seven-year-long Israeli blockade or to end Israel’s criminal bombardment of Gaza’s civilian population. Indeed, in its landmark 1996 advisory opinion on the legality of nuclear weapons, the ICJ ruled that international law is not settled on the right of a state to use nuclear weapons when its “survival” is at stake. But, if a state might have the right to use nuclear weapons when its survival is at stake, then surely a people struggling for self-determination has the right to use makeshift projectiles when it has been subjected to slow death by a protracted blockade and recurrent massacres by a state determined to maintain its occupation.

  168. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jul, 2014 - 10:14 pm

    Clark

    Are you now the interpreter of Mary’s thoughts on reading my post? Why don’t you ask her to tell us, in her own words, how she interpreted it?

    I’d be tempted to think you’re playing a silly game of character assassination, but for the moment I’ll stay with the thought that you’re just being silly.

    If your apology to me is gracious enough, I might accept it.

  169. Ba’al: These worthy individuals won’t make any difference on their own. The libdems amongst them might make a difference if they focus their energies on removing Clegg… as of course his broader party should have done from the point at which he supported the appalling policy on student fees. Just think of the neocon policies Clegg has supported on behalf of his MPs, Lords, and the millions of suckers like me who voted libdem at the last general election.

    Here’s one of you Habby: “In voting with the conservatives on student fees, the liberal democrat MPs betrayed their voters as much as the labour MPs who voted for the war with Iraq.”

  170. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jul, 2014 - 10:20 pm

    Mary

    “What a world. I have just encountered healers and carers, each of them worth 1000x the likes of Cameron/Clegg/Hague/Hammond and the rest.”
    ______________________

    Glad to hear that, Mary, but……aren’t you the person who’s always telling us that the NHS is going to hell in a handbasket?

  171. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jul, 2014 - 10:25 pm

    California Ben

    “Wouldn’t the UNSC do something to Netanyahu for sassing them that way? Wouldn’t they devastate the Israeli economy the way they did the Iranian? Wouldn’t they authorize military action to protect civilians in Gaza from Israeli war crimes, as they did in Libya?”
    ________________

    Yes, we’ll see if the UNSC does more to Israel than it did to Russia when Russia killed thousands of men, women and children in Chechniya and Dagestan.

  172. @Ba’al: Thank you for the extract from Hansard, which only serves to demonstrate that the honourable Jenny is wasting her time seeking any change in the US “tactic” of using its veto through the House of Lords. The final comment is that, effectively, UK and US are as one on the Gaza issue.

    No mention of what the British people think…

  173. @Habby re Russian internal aggression and Israeli “internal” aggression – two wrongs don’t make anything right! The UN is there to stop a downward spiral… not turn a blind eye.

  174. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jul, 2014 - 10:32 pm

    “I imagine that if I posted some extracts from the WW2 Nazi Der_Stürmer magazine”
    ____________________

    If you knew more about Der Stuermer than what you perhaps picked up in a potted history of the Nazis, you might have known that Der Stuermer was a (weekly) newspaper and not a magazine, and that it started up a long time before WW2.

  175. US resupplying Israel with ammunition even after condemning shelling of Gaza school

    July 30, 2014 20:23

    No sooner than the White House condemned the shelling of a United Nations-operated school in Gaza on Wednesday did news break that the Pentagon will supply the Israeli military with new ammunition to further their campaign on the war-ravaged city.

    That afternoon, CNN reported that the United States military will be honoring a request from Israel for assistance in the midst of their weeks-long campaign against militants from Hamas residing in Gaza City.

    /..
    http://rt.com/usa/176820-pentagon-idf-unrwa-ammunition/

    ~~~

    The chsnting of a right wing group in Israel was shown on the BBC 10pm news.

    …… ‘There are no schools in Gaza. There are no children left.’

    What sick horrible specimens of humanity.

  176. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jul, 2014 - 10:36 pm

    Peacewisher

    “@Habby re Russian internal aggression and Israeli “internal” aggression – two wrongs don’t make anything right!”
    ____________________

    Thank you for leaping to California Ben’s defence; I’m sure he’s grateful to you.

    But you’re right, of course. That said, it’d be nice if, occasionally, someone on here (other than Craig) expressed their outrage at Russia killings thousands in Chechniya and Dagestan.

    You know, just to show that they really are concerned about the loss of civilian life in places other than Gaza.

  177. The rabid ConDems wish to dismantle and destroy the NHS and hand it out to their donors and the health insurance industry. The people working in it still remain to heal and care thank goodness. Let’s hope that come next May the Cameron spivs are booted out and some sense comes into play.

  178. Did Prince Bandar not say last year that Saudi was in charge of Islamic terrorism in the Caucasus?

    The US/Saudi/Israel axis has certainly refined its methods in Central Asia over the last 20 years or so.

  179. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jul, 2014 - 10:48 pm

    Peacewisher

    “The final comment is that, effectively, UK and US are as one on the Gaza issue.

    No mention of what the British people think…”
    _____________________

    I’d be wary, Peacewisher, of assuming you know what the “British people” think.

    You must not make the mistake of thinking that the Eminences on here are representative of the British people and that the British people are in a lather of anti-Israel rage. I suspect that if there were some foolproof method of finding out what the British people really think of the situation in the ME, you would discover far less general sympathy for the Palestinian cause and far more general sympathy for Israel than you’d be happy with.

  180. An illustration of Jewish excess.

    See an A-Z list of all Israel Lobby Portal pages.
    http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/Category:Israel_Lobby

    Welcome to the Israel Lobby Portal on Powerbase—your guide to networks of power, lobbying and deceptive PR.
    Powerbase has a policy of strict referencing and is overseen by a managing editor, a Sysop and various associate portal editors.

    The editors of the Israel Lobby Portal are Hilary Aked and Jamie Stern-Weiner.

    http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/Israel_Lobby_Portal

  181. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jul, 2014 - 10:52 pm

    Mary , re the NHS

    “The rabid ConDems wish to dismantle and destroy the NHS and hand it out to their donors and the health insurance industry. The people working in it still remain to heal and care thank goodness.”
    _______________________

    Can we agree, therefore, that based on your very recent experience, the NHS is still in fine form and that your prognostications as to the future are mere partisan speculation?

  182. @Habby: Sorry… couldn’t help myself, after you appeared to be trying to adopt the moral high ground. Apologies to Ben if he was offended.

    I suppose the reason people keep going on about Israel/Palestine, as opposed to all the other atrocities that continue to happen round the world is that the violence has been going on for so long, the fact that this atrocity does regularly get into peoples living rooms, and that the two forces are so disproportionate. Despite all the resources that have been made available to it, Israel does (remarkably) seem to be losing the propaganda war. This is even more dangerous, particularly in view of the moral low ground of Israeli public opinion (assuming survey is correct, of course).

  183. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jul, 2014 - 10:57 pm

    Mike

    “Did Prince Bandar not say last year that Saudi was in charge of Islamic terrorism in the Caucasus?”
    ____________________

    Maybe yes, maybe not.

    To help us decide, could you please provide reputable* links/sources?

    (*No mondoweiss, Global Research/Professor Michel, Counterpunch and voltairenet, please!)

  184. @Mary: Very pleased your treatment was successful.

    In your absence, there was a welcome separation of “Israeli” and “Jewish” values. IMHO this is not a religious conflict… but a conflict that uses religion, paradoxically, as an excuse for violence.

    Regarding NHS… from my recent experience it is becoming primarily about money, and people dying or getting better seems to be a secondary consideration. The wonderful nurses, doctors, and associated staff are working heroically to keep the service going against this backdrop.

  185. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    30 Jul, 2014 - 11:01 pm

    “Maybe yes, maybe not.”

    I know. You only do requests. Research is beyond your acumen. I understand. The Game Plan doesn’t have money in the budget for education. Sad for you.

  186. Mike

    So if you are a Muslim in Chechnya or Dagestan, whose country was colonised by the Russian Empire in the 1830′s after a very hard fought invasion, you are a “terrorist” if you want your national freedom back, are you?

    Frankly you pro-Putin people make me sick with your pretended humanitarian concern. Putin killed far more in Grozny than the Israelis are killing in Gaza, yet where were you protesting against that? The truth is you are not against women and children being bombed to pieces, only if it is not being done by “your side”, the Putin side.

  187. a sorry tale 0

    England cricketer Moeen Ali BANNED from wearing ‘Save Gaza’ wristbands during matches
    The all-rounder wore the black and white bands, which read ‘Free Palestine’ and ‘Save Gaza’, during England’s second Test Match against India at the Ageas Bowl in Southampton…
    A statement from the England and Wales Cricket Board read: “The ECB believe Moeen has done nothing wrong.”…
    Last week, the talented batsman attended a fundraising event for humanitarian efforts in Gaza with the Ummah Welfare Trust in Small Heath, Birmingham…
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/492982/England-cricket-Moeen-Ali-disciplinary-action-Save-Gaza-wristbands

    letter sent before Ali wristband story began:

    BBC: HSBC closes some Muslim groups’ accounts
    Ummah Welfare trust, based in Bolton, has distributed £70m to projects in 20 countries. It has had a presence in Gaza for 10 years.
    In a letter, also dated 22 July, HSBC gave Ummah the same reason for closing its account that it had given to the Finsbury Park Mosque – that “provision of banking services now falls outside our risk appetite”.
    It then gave the charity two months’ notice of its decision to close the trust’s accounts.
    “You will need to make alternative banking arrangements, as we are not prepared to open another account for you,” the letter continues.
    Mohammed Ahmad, who runs Ummah, says it is a dream customer for a bank and always in credit.
    He asked HSBC in a meeting why the accounts were closing, but says the bank’s representative gave them no answer. ..
    Mr Ahmad says he thinks HSBC has made its decision because of its work in Gaza, where he says Ummah provides “ambulances, food aid, medical aid, and grants.”…
    In December 2012, HSBC had to pay US authorities $1.9bn (£1.2bn) in a settlement over money laundering, the largest paid in such a case. It was alleged to have helped launder money belonging to drug cartels and states under US sanctions…
    http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28553921

    Moeen Ali’s decision to wear ‘Save Gaza’ wristband in England Test with India is refreshing antidote to today’s vacuous stars
    ECB confirmed on Monday they had not given him permission to wear the wristbands, but also said they believe he hadn’t committed an offence
    The 27-year-old helped raise money for victims of Gaza conflict
    England’s cricketers all wore shirts with a message of support for Help for Heroes on Tuesday as part of the commemoration of the 100th anniversary of the start of the First World War…
    ‘Part of the reason we went to war in places like Iraq was to fight for things like freedom of speech,’ said Corporal Neil Heritage, who lost both his legs in a suicide bomb attack in Iraq in 2004 and has been supported by Help for Heroes since.
    ‘I have no problem with a sportsman or woman making a political statement.’
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2710111/Moeen-Alis-decision-wear-Save-Gaza-wristband-England-Test-India-refreshing-antidote-todays-vacuous-stars.html

  188. @Habby: It is quite clear what the British people are expected to think… (hence my concern about democracy). But this amazing homo sapiens species has a long-standing habit of showing independence of thought. I don’t know what they actually think, or are likely to say or do any more than you do. In a democracy, though, they should at least be listened to, not just talked at.

  189. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jul, 2014 - 11:06 pm

    Peacewisher

    Well, some of the reasons you offered may be valid to some extent, but I suspect there are other, darker reasons why sundry Eminences bang on about Israel/Palestine.

    To take only one example: it is estimated that since independence, over 6 million people have been killed in the Congo/Zaire/RDC.

    I cannot recall a single post about that since I’ve been following this blog.

  190. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jul, 2014 - 11:08 pm

    Peacewisher

    “In a democracy, though, they should at least be listened to, not just talked at.”
    _____________________

    So your proposal is…..?

  191. @Oddie:

    There’s a simple answer to HSBC’s attitude… I’m sure if this story leaks out you’ll find a lot of people acting in a highly defiant way and transferring their custom to other banks. Luck for HSBC that the Express in seen as a kooky minority interest.

  192. @Habby: Listen to the people, of course…

    and shape at least some policy around what people (ie the 99%) want, rather than everything revolving around the 1% (whether personal oligarchs or corporate oligarchs).

  193. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jul, 2014 - 11:18 pm

    Craig (23h01)

    Very well said.

    Excellences please note and repent.

  194. Mary

    Good to see ya Back…Hope you are Ok.

    Here is Another Video of Regev Deciphered… this time with John Snow..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J02sE481Pw8

    And another of Mark the Artist Taxi Driver….he speaks for Many of us…Cheers Mark –

    Gaza- why no media questions about UK Gov complicity?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-477JO4BiE

  195. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    30 Jul, 2014 - 11:20 pm

    “Frankly you pro-Putin people make me sick with your pretended humanitarian concern. Putin killed far more in Grozny than the Israelis are killing in Gaza, yet where were you protesting against that? The truth is you are not against women and children being bombed to pieces, only if it is not being done by “your side”, the Putin side.”

    Balderdash. No one has excused the excesses of leaders or governments guilty of crimes against humanity. It’s not an issue of mutual exclusivity. Putin is a punk. But you seem to suggest he’s our punk so he gets a free pass. That’s beneath your station.

    What I’ve noticed here is that commenters tend to support the underdog, especially when Western powers make shit up as they go along to get what they want.

    What the hell do you want? Is the E?U your Holy Grail to the exclusion of any other hope for righteous civilization? I suggest you are off your meds.

  196. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jul, 2014 - 11:21 pm

    California Ben

    “I know. You only do requests.”
    __________________

    And you do…what?

    I’d say blow out smoke-rings, but I stand to be corrected, as always.

  197. @Habby: Yes, yes, yes! Even what we can get enraged about is controlled by what gets beamed into our radios and TV screens. This has been the case all my life, and until I started to think, I got engaged as I saw the images. Fist one, I think, was the little girl covered in Napalm.

    TV is never going to be a reflection of reality, as David Bowie (playing the role of alien in “The man who fell to earth”) found to his great frustration…

  198. Ben

    What I specifically want is for people like you to stop supporting a long term vicious killer on a massive scale like Putin simply because he isn’t an American

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