Let’s Keep Supporting Bombing Gaza

by craig on August 7, 2014 11:53 am in Uncategorized

David Aaronovitch is the very first name on the “Let’s stay together” list unveiled today. That’s Aaronovitch, Murdoch employee, unrepentant propagandist for the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan and the bombing of Libya – and look how those turned out – and arch media Zionist. We know why he wants to keep the Union together. For exactly the same reason that Baroness Warsi resigned – because Westminster foreign policy is under unshakeable Zionist control

It is a diverse list. But there is one thing all of these people have in common.

They are all much wealthier people than the rest of us.

Almost all of them of them have their main home in South East England. No wonder they want to keep the UK scam going, and Scotland’s resources funnelling down there.

A large number of them get their high salaried living from the (ahem) “neutral” BBC.

There are 210 names on the list. How many can you find whose main residence is not in South East England, and where is it?

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126 Comments

  1. It’s Bruce Forsyth that’s the gamechanger here.

  2. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    7 Aug, 2014 - 12:11 pm

    “We believe that the key missing message is a positive, emotional one: not telling the Scottish electorate what to do or what not to do, but telling them how we feel about Scotland, about being part of the UK and about our collective place in the world.”

    Translation: We have no rational arguments.

  3. Young Snow has a strong campaigning record:

    He played a central part in the UK Alternative Vote Referendum in 2011, after releasing a successful viral video the campaign used a version of it, featuring Snow, as their final Referendum Broadcast.

    With someone of his calibre, how can BT fail?

    Almost all of them of them have their main home in South East England.

    As he’s married into the westminster family, he’s probably got a lot more property in Scotland than most.

  4. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    7 Aug, 2014 - 12:22 pm

    Baronness Tanni Grey-Thompson lives in County Durham….she’s probably scared of the Border rievers coming back.

    Stanley Baxter, however, lives in Highgate. There’s a man who’s made his pile out of Scots individuality. Not his best joke ever, signing that.

    Otherwise, looks like a crowd of Establishment media luvvies and almost certainly rounded up by HMG (UK) plc.

  5. Craig: your efforts to link a Scottish No vote with Zionism and bombing Gaza are absurd. According to the polls over half of Scots agree with Aaronovitch on Scottish independence. That doesn’t make them Zionists or supporters of bombing Gaza. You know that perfectly well.

  6. Reluctant Observer

    7 Aug, 2014 - 12:26 pm

    A good thing indeed that the Scots have at least one champion campaigning for a break-up. Even though he prefers to live in South East England himself.

  7. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    7 Aug, 2014 - 12:26 pm

    It’s got a roadshow, too.

    http://www.newsdump.co.uk/news/lets-stay-together-roadshow-to-come-to-corby **

    This costs serious money. Question is, whose?

    Computing…

    **Corby may seem an unlikely location until you remember it used to be something of an employment magnet for Scots.

  8. That list just gets better.
    The philosophy of Alain de Botton ,scion of a swiss banking family, is obviously influenced by Brucie.
    Nice to see you, to see you nice, would sit comfortably in any of his works.

  9. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    7 Aug, 2014 - 12:28 pm

    Craig: your efforts to link a Scottish No vote with Zionism and bombing Gaza are absurd. According to the polls over half of Scots agree with Aaronovitch on Scottish independence. That doesn’t make them Zionists or supporters of bombing Gaza. You know that perfectly well.

    Agree. Separate issues. However, some of the funding may coincide.

  10. The link is power – and there’s nothing absurd about that. UK foreign policy is disgusting – and it is perfectly valid for Scots to vote Yes that they may be rid of it.

  11. I think he’s just pointing to desperate quality of the signatories,their tenuous connection with Scotland and, barring Jim Murphy, their distance from the political sentiments here.

  12. MJ

    Oh look, another anti-independence post from “independence supporter” MJ. That’s about 25 now. Still waiting for that first pro-independence argument from MJ.

    You are anyway making a schoolboy syllogism. Zionists oppose independence does NOT equate to all opponents of independence are Zionists. Just as cats are mammals does not equate to all mammals are cats.

    You really have lost a screw on the independence question, and I still cannot tell why. When I ask you why you keep coming out with highly emotive and illogical anti-independence comments, you reply either that you are joking, or that you actually support independence.

    Why don’t you tell us something about that very well disguised support for independence. What motivates it?

  13. Republicofscotland

    7 Aug, 2014 - 12:41 pm

    I don’t really see the point of these so called celebrity lists, no one in their right mind after checking all the facts on independence will let this lot sway their vote to a no.

    I see the lubyanka aka Tammany Hall aka Glasgow city chambers, has one of its councillors retiring, George Black who’s yearly salary is a whopping £170.000 is stepping down. The Glasgow Evening Times ran a story last week which showed at least 10 councillors at Glasgow city chambers took home £100.000+ per year, an obscene amount of cash for a public servant.

    On a more sensible note regarding Glasgow City chambers, tomorrow they’re going to fly the Palestinian flag in a sign of solidarity with the poor souls, who’ve suffered terribly in Gaza.

  14. The Naughtie boy is pushing the No vote hard. I have heard a lot from him since the ‘debate’.

    Scottish voters ‘more engaged than ever’
    Duration: 07:52

    James Naughtie speaks to Patrick Harvie, co-convenor of the Scottish Greens, a member of the advisory board of Yes Scotland and Robin McAlpine, director of the Jimmy Reid Foundation.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-28673385

  15. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    7 Aug, 2014 - 12:47 pm

    Ian Taylor has recently given some pounds sterling to LST:

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/vitol-chief-makes-new-donation-to-pro-uk-group-1-3499898

    And –

    Pro-union campaigners received more than double the donations given to the Yes camp last month, the Electoral Commission has reported.

    Four unionist campaign groups received donations of £151,248 between June 27 and July 24, compared with two nationalist groups which received £65,000, the second pre-poll donations and loans report for the Scottish independence referendum reveals.

    Unionists have received a total of £2,657,723 since December 18 compared with £1,524,120 for the nationalists, with both sides boosted by seven figure donations by Harry Potter author JK Rowling and Euromillions winners Chris and Colin Weir respectively in the months to June 27.

    The biggest donation last month was £74,747 by JCB digger tycoon and Conservative donor Mark Bamford to the Scottish Research Society, a scientific and literary society campaigning for a No vote. The society was founded in May, and is run by marketing directors Hamish Alldridge and Elaine MacKenzie Grossart.

    Ms. Grossart is a director of four companies, one of which is Hopi Energy. (Mission statement: Getting a rakeoff from EU funding for facilitating you know green stuff)

    http://hopicommunityenergy.co.uk/

    Yes, I can see why she wouldn’t want the cash pipeline to Brussels to be diverted.

  16. Craig: the title of this post is “Let’s Keep Supporting Bombing Gaza”. All that’s happened however is that some ridiculous third-rate journalist has had the temerity to voice an opinion on Scotland. As if anyone cares.

    “Why don’t you tell us something about that very well disguised support for independence. What motivates it?”

    I think independence is a good thing, which is why I oppose the EU. In order to be truly independent I think a country must have its own central bank and currency and must take full control of its own infrastructure and natural resources. The last nation to achieve real independence was probably Iran.

  17. Aaronovitch the scribbling stenographer to the gangsters-in-charge.

    He is as disgusting as a piece of that sticky stuff you tread in that a pooch has left behind on a pavement.

    What has he had to say about the massacre of the people in Gaza?
    Three mentions on his recent Twitter page. One a retweet from another piece of s**t Mark Urban and two of his own on the anti Hamas serial The Honourable Woman.

    https://twitter.com/DAaronovitch

  18. Craig, you’re English and you live in Spain.

    The fact that you’ve now berated the signatories for having their “main home in South East England”, presumably you think they’re loaded and less likely to subscribe to your undergraduate political view, shows that you’re not entirely oblivious to how pathetic your ravings are.

    I’ve no particular interest in any of the people signing the letter but they’ve got as much right to voice their opinion as you have.

  19. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    7 Aug, 2014 - 12:54 pm

    The Bamfords (see above).

    http://unlockdemocracy.org.uk/blog/entry/donor-of-the-week-jcb-and-the-bamford-brothers

    Didn’t like AV, either. Invented the JCB to load their cash into. Anthony Bamford declined nomination for the Lords a few years ago on the grounds that he didn’t like the controversy then surrounding his tax affairs. All sorted out – he’s Lord Bamford now!

  20. Well, Mr. Murray – there are some, though in great minority, are journalists in the world who refuse to sell their soul to the Devil like those 210 “wealthy liars”.

    Mike Carlton, 68, Australia’s veteran journalist and author, has resigned after his employer Sydney Morning Herald suspended him under pressure from country’s powerful Jewish Lobby.

    Australian Jewish groups had slammed the newspaper over Carlton’s July 26 column in which he accused the Zionist entity of “waging its own war of terror on the entire Gaza population”. The column was accompanied by a cartoon (shown above), which was widely condemned as “anti-Jew” by leaders of country’s organized Jewry which also threatened to take legal action against the newspaper under country’s “Hate Law”.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/08/07/jewish-lobby-got-journalist-fired-over-a-gaza-cartoon/

  21. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    7 Aug, 2014 - 12:55 pm

    ‘…into the safe’, that should have been.

  22. To be a valid argument there should be at least 2 premises of which are both deductive.

    How can we possibly not apply validity without maintaining reason.

    What autonomy and constitutional independence would give Scotland is Pride which can be nurtured without prejudice.
    This could turn a good day in to a better day and we all know the importance of productivity on a daily basis.

  23. Republicofscotland

    7 Aug, 2014 - 12:59 pm

    Regarding the “List” isn’t there a few BBC presenters/personnel on it, I was under the impression the BBC had to be neutral, towards the independence debate, just a thought.

  24. Dickie Bird wants the referendum called off for bad light

  25. MJ

    So you propose the UK should stay together, because the referendum would not immediately give Scotland its own central bank and currency? How would that advance the cause of ever achieving that?

    Simply, why do you want the UK to stay together?

  26. Just saying

    7 Aug, 2014 - 1:12 pm

    At least the “NO” voters have been promised Pentlands, Edinburgh will be twinned with Pardesiya , Central Israel, if that counts for something – courtesy of the former MP rifkind (remember he of the al-Ghouta YouTube video “evidence”).

  27. Republicofscotland

    7 Aug, 2014 - 1:17 pm

    Just heard on the radio BBC Scotland, that the USA has passed a motion in its chamber, hoping to find a resolution to keep the UK together, Brad Sherman US politician is drumming up support to somehow thwart independence, I’m sure more will be revealed later, by the media.

  28. That fat tub of lard Aarono…. will not finish the full name of evil, I am sick of washing my keyboards and end up wrecking them. Is the kind of thing that would be playing “bomb Gaza”

    Its kind are always at the vanguard of telling the prols; “they have never had it so good” hence best to keep the Union! If Unions were so good, why o why did Thatcher and successive governments since have made sure there are no unions left, so what is good for goose etc. No need for any Union, Scottish would be far better off on their own.

  29. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    7 Aug, 2014 - 1:23 pm

    Meanwhile, the talking shop is thinking about a written constitution for the, er, UK –

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/political-and-constitutional-reform-committee/news/magna-carta-competition/

    Looks like Weasel for ‘conform or suffer’ to me.

  30. John Lloyd is so important that he has signed twice once as journalist and once as broadcaster – identical signatures.

  31. “Simply, why do you want the UK to stay together?”

    I don’t particularly, which is why I’ve never stated that view.

  32. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    7 Aug, 2014 - 1:28 pm

    Sooo…here’s the first connection between Let’s Stay Fluffily Together and the demolition of Palestinian homes, for those who didn’t spot it already –

    http://www.waronwant.org/attachments/JCB%20Briefing.pdf

    See above for the Bamfords, whose family firm JCB is, and their £75K bung to the Scottish Research Society, an outfit whose pro-Union website is so offensively propagandist that you can damn well look for it yourselves.

  33. I see the NI warmongers’ warmonger there. Col Tim Collins. Bloodthirsty and a killer.

    Vile.

    Eve-of-battle speech

    As Lieutenant Colonel (Commanding Officer) of the 1st Battalion, Royal Irish Regiment of the British Army, Collins gave a rousing eve-of-battle speech to his troops in Kuwait on Wednesday 19 March 2003. The speech was extemporised, and was recorded in shorthand by a single journalist, Sarah Oliver. No recording or film of the speech exists, Collins told the BBC.

    Speech excerpt[edit]

    “ We go to Iraq to liberate not to conquer. We will not fly our flags in their country. We are entering Iraq to free a people and the only flag which will be flown in that ancient land is their own. Show respect for them.
    There are some who are alive at this moment who will not be alive shortly. Those who do not wish to go on that journey, we will not send. As for the others I expect you to rock their world. Wipe them out if that is what they choose. But if you are ferocious in battle remember to be magnanimous in victory.

    Iraq is steeped in history. It is the site of the Garden of Eden, of the Great Flood and the birthplace of Abraham. Tread lightly there. You will see things that no man could pay to see and you will have to go a long way to find a more decent, generous and upright people than the Iraqis. You will be embarrassed by their hospitality even though they have nothing. Don’t treat them as refugees for they are in their own country. Their children will be poor, in years to come they will know that the light of liberation in their lives was brought by you.

    If there are casualties of war then remember that when they woke up and got dressed in the morning they did not plan to die this day. Allow them dignity in death. Bury them properly and mark their graves.

    It is my foremost intention to bring every single one of you out alive but there may be people among us who will not see the end of this campaign. We will put them in their sleeping bags and send them back. There will be no time for sorrow.

    The enemy should be in no doubt that we are his nemesis and that we are bringing about his rightful destruction. There are many regional commanders who have stains on their souls and they are stoking the fires of hell for Saddam. He and his forces will be destroyed by this coalition for what they have done. As they die they will know their deeds have brought them to this place. Show them no pity.

    It is a big step to take another human life. It is not to be done lightly. I know of men who have taken life needlessly in other conflicts, I can assure you they live with the Mark of Cain upon them. If someone surrenders to you then remember they have that right in international law and ensure that one day they go home to their family.

    The ones who wish to fight, well, we aim to please.

    If you harm the regiment or its history by over-enthusiasm in killing or in cowardice, know it is your family who will suffer. You will be shunned unless your conduct is of the highest for your deeds will follow you down through history. We will bring shame on neither our uniform or our nation.

    [Regarding the use by Saddam of chemical or biological weapons] It is not a question of if, it’s a question of when. We know he has already devolved the decision to lower commanders, and that means he has already taken the decision himself. If we survive the first strike we will survive the attack.

    As for ourselves, let’s bring everyone home and leave Iraq a better place for us having been there.

    Our business now is north.’

    Did he think he was at Agincourt instead of invading a foreign country? A sicko and a psycho.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Collins_(British_Army_officer)

  34. Three cheers!

    Glagow City Council to fly Palestinian flag

    Posted by John Hilley on August 7, 2014, 2:01 pm

    An admirable gesture.

    How typical of the BBC to headline the story as “a row”.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-28682483

    John

    Re: Glagow City Council to fly Palestinian flag

    Posted by marknadim on August 7, 2014, 2:17 pm, in reply to “Glagow City Council to fly Palestinian flag”

    Good on the Lord Provost! (a role I only came across last week in a Rebus book).

    http://www.crossed-flag-pins.com/animated-flag-gif/gifs/Palestine_240-animated-flag-gifs.gif

    http://www.bedscotsoc.org.uk/Images/Scottish%20flag%20-%20animated.gif

  35. I wonder why this list wasn’t opened long ago. Maybe there’s not much enthusiasm to keep Scotland in the UK against its will. I don’t like the idea of the UK breaking up, but if the majority of people North of Hadrian’s wall want to go it alone, I say (not without regret) good luck to them – but this is a very, very serious decision to make, with potentially historical consequences. So I wish the residents of Scotland a full share of G_d’s wisdom on the 18th of next month.

  36. Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    7 Aug, 2014 - 2:39 pm

    Bar codes? Is there an app to identify Israeli products? Yup.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqNIIG3XlQE

  37. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    7 Aug, 2014 - 3:45 pm

    Rehmat – The cartoon was by Le Lievre, and was excellent. Here’s another from the same hand (copyright protected)

    http://www.impactfolios.com/glen/24712/24712-271156-large.jpg

    In a nutshell, eh?

  38. The no campaign is shifting gear. I’d have thought the last thing you want to be doing right now is scaring the sh*t out of swingers with crazy talk that correlates Scotland with Gaza and No with Zionism.

    In addition. Using sentence length bold for emphasis and bracketed asides (ahem) for sarcasm is just poor writing.

    Eyes on the prize mate.

    From the sea to the sea, Scotland will be free!

  39. Craig

    I’m not sure what came over me trying to offer advise and all that. Excuse me. More crazy talk please!

  40. Republicofscotland

    7 Aug, 2014 - 3:54 pm

  41. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    7 Aug, 2014 - 4:02 pm

    Well, if it’s going to hurt US interests, that’s different, isn’t it? Break up the 51st State? Inconceivable.

    That should be moderately counterproductive for the Noes, I’m thinking.

  42. How many paedos did you count on that gravy train list?

  43. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    7 Aug, 2014 - 4:20 pm

    http://waplife.me/pods/show/in-full-transcript-of-qa-with-tony-blair-at-mile-end-group-london_42

    Came across this intriguing fragment. Here’s Alun Evans at the Mile End Group asking guest $$$peaker Tony Blair a question last October:

    Alun Evans.
    QUESTION
    Thank you. Alun Evans, once at Number 10 now head of the Scotland office leading the UK government’s work against Scottish independence. And I wonder, Tony, if I could ask you – in your role of advisor to government – ask you about how best the UK government should take on the challenge of Alex Salmond and his campaign for independence, leader with a majority, is quite popular up in government, is UK government doing enough, what more should we be doing?

    TONY BLAIR
    Look…(drivels irrelevantly for four paragraphs)

    ‘No’ looks quite official, then.

  44. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Aug, 2014 - 5:00 pm

    Craig

    “MJ

    Simply, why do you want the UK to stay together?”
    ____________________

    Surely it is for those wishing to change the status quo – ie, the Yes campaigners – to make most of the running and justify their position?

    It is much less incumbent on those who wish to maintain the status quo to give reasons – after all, all they have to say is “I like how the present system works and that is why I wish to keep it” and that is reason enough.

  45. Aaronovitch is a fat toad who follows orders in return for brown envelopes.

    Surprised he can sign his own name without his handlers steer.

  46. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Aug, 2014 - 5:03 pm

    Phil

    “From the sea to the sea, Scotland will be free!”
    _____________________

    I think that the closeness of the above to Mary’s “FREE! FREE! FREE GAZA!” amply justifies the absurd links made by Craig in this post.

  47. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Aug, 2014 - 5:06 pm

    Jives

    “Aaronovitch is a fat toad”
    _________________

    Bet you’re not much of an oil-painting either, Jives, eh?

  48. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Aug, 2014 - 5:10 pm

    Mary, obviously well-reestablished, crows thus:

    “Three cheers!

    Glagow City Council to fly Palestinian flag”
    _____________________

    Gesture “politics” at its silliest.

    Anyone remember David Blunkett’s Sheffield declaring itself a “nuclear-free zone”?

    ________________________

    Gegen die Dummheit kaempfen selbst die Goetter umsonst”

  49. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Aug, 2014 - 5:13 pm

    Mary re Tim Collins

    “A sicko and a psycho.”
    __________________

    Your stay in hospital was evidently not for an operation to dock your viper-like tongue.

    Pity!

  50. Habbabkuk,

    Roll over on your back to better enable your line manager to pat your tummy.

    Have you received your orders today,sector by sector?

    If youre really good Aaronovitch might toss you a crisp £20 from one of his brown envelopes.

    I bet youre just the type that would say or write whatever was demanded for that note.

  51. I refrain so you don’t have to. Stay Sane, Use Habbabreak!</strong?

  52. Considering all the air-time and column inches his handlers arrange for him to have has Aaronovitch ever got anything actually right?

    From Iraq and Afghanistan to Libya and Syria his projections have been disastrously wrong,poorly argued and lacking any insight or nuance whatsoever.

    He is a blowhard buffoon shill of the most incompetent yet dangerous stripe.

  53. “David Aaronovitch is the very first name on the “Let’s stay together” list unveiled today.”

    Well imagine that, somebody called Aaronovitch is the very first name on an alphabetical list.

    Is everybody on the list a warmongering lying cheating Zionist scumbag who lives in the south east then? I’ve always liked Ronnie Corbett, I’d never have imagined it.

  54. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Aug, 2014 - 5:48 pm

    Jives

    “He is a blowhard buffoon shill of the most incompetent yet dangerous stripe.”
    ________________

    If he is incompetent how come he’s dangerous?

    I know you love stringing lots of impressive-sounding words together, one after the other in long cadences, but you should really pay a little bit of attention to their meaning. After all, we can’t get inside your silly head to find out what you really meant to say, you know!

  55. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Aug, 2014 - 5:50 pm

    Afrend (17h32)

    “I refrain so you don’t have to. Stay Sane, Use Habbabreak!</strong?"
    __________________

    Thanks, Ba'al – Komodo!

    Been reading me again, have you? :)

  56. Some hope for an easing of the imprisonment. Last time Israel stepped in and got the Rafah gate closed with Eqyptian collusion.

    Germany, France, Britain propose EU mission to open Gaza crossing
    http://www.euractiv.com/sections/global-europe/germany-france-britain-propose-eu-mission-open-gaza-crossing-307771

  57. ‘Rafah (Arabic: رفح‎; Rafiah) is a Palestinian city in the southern Gaza Strip. Located 30 kilometers (19 mi) south of Gaza, Rafah’s population of 71,003[1] is overwhelmingly made up of Palestinian refugees. Rafah camp and Tall as-Sultan camp form separate localities. Rafah is the district capital of the Rafah Governorate. Yasser Arafat International Airport, Gaza’s only airport, is located just south of the city; the airport operated from 1998 to 2001, when it was bombed and bulldozed by the Israeli military (IDF) after the killing of Israeli soldiers by members of Hamas. Rafah is the site of the Rafah Border Crossing, the main crossing between the Gaza Strip and Egypt.

    Rafah Border Crossing

    Rafah is the site of the Rafah Border Crossing, the main crossing between the Gaza Strip and Egypt. Formerly operated by Israeli military forces, control of the crossing was transferred to the Palestinian Authority in September 2005 as part of the larger Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip. A European Union commission began monitoring the crossing in November 2005 amid Israeli security concerns, and in April 2006, Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas’s Presidential Guard assumed responsibility for the site on the Palestinian Authority side.[26] On the Egyptian side, the responsibility is assumed by the 750 Border Guards allowed by an agreement of Egypt with Israel. The agreement was signed in November 2005 forced by US pressure, and specifies that it is under security requirements demanded by Israel.’

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah

  58. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Aug, 2014 - 6:18 pm

    Mary, obviously well-reestablished, crows thus:

    “Three cheers!

    Glagow City Council to fly Palestinian flag”
    _____________________

    Gesture “politics” at its silliest.

    Anyone remember David Blunkett’s Sheffield declaring itself a “nuclear-free zone”?

    ________________________

  59. OT time-out

    7 Aug, 2014 - 6:18 pm

    Can somebody make sense out of the deafening silence from the Archbishop of Canterbury re Gaza fish-tank shoot(in fact the entire Anglican Church head office for that matter)? Or perhaps he fears jeopardising his chance to be chosen to lay a wreath on herzls grave by melikowski?

  60. A moron asks:

    “If he is incompetent how come he’s dangerous?”

    The same way an incompetent driver is dangerous or an incompetent with a gun or an incompetent running a country……etc etc

    I know you love asking lots of impressive-sounding questions, one after the other in long cadences, but you should really pay a little bit of attention to their meaning. After all, we can’t get inside your silly head to find out what you really meant to ask, you know!

  61. Buycott app gets public to boycott Israeli produce
    For those of you looking for a list of Israeli companies to boycott, check THIS out. It’s an app., that, once you have scanned a product’s barcode, will tell you if there is any connection what so ever with any Israeli company.

    August 07, 2014
    http://www.buycott.com/

    http://www.buycott.com/campaign/all

  62. doug scorgie

    7 Aug, 2014 - 6:41 pm

    Love him or hate him he hits the nail on the head.

    “Galloway under investigation over Israel remarks”

    “Mr Galloway’s spokesman Ron McKay said the remarks were an extension of a boycott and direct action movement against supermarkets and companies supporting Israel.”

    “But [who else?] Mr Halfon, MP for Harlow and a former political director of the Conservative Friends of Israel, described Mr Galloway’s remarks as “shocking”.

    “A West Yorkshire Police spokesperson said: “We have received two separate complaints about comments attributed to George Galloway MP during a speech he gave at a public meeting in Leeds on 2nd August 2014. We are currently investigating the complaints.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28687233

    Two complaints start a police investigation! (Both Jewish?)

  63. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    I am well known as an open-source, free-love, cooperative-housing, red panther. Not an old soldier dragon at all.

    I do not gallivant around saying you must be that old Tory diplomat whose name I do not know. Craigs ex colleague. The one who now teaches people how to talk. You know who I mean. He commented here not so long ago. His blog is really dead.

    I like you Habbabkuk. I can feel your loneliness.

  64. You just beat me to it on GG Doug but I was so busy LOL at Halfon’s remarks…only democracy in the ME etc etc..

    First time I have ever seen mention of the Conservative Friends of Israel on the BBC website. We are coming on.

  65. In light of the recent (& latest) indiscriminate Israeli`mass murder killing spree in Gaza, this illustrates just how surreally blinkered you have to be in order to defend Israel;

    “Jonathan Arkush, vice president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, described the remarks as “odious”.

    “What about an Israeli who is a supporter of the Palestinian cause? He doesn’t differentiate between an Israeli who supports the Israeli government or an Israeli who doesn’t,” he said.

    “He doesn’t differentiate between an adult or child – most people are apolitical. This man is so intolerant he can’t bear to have someone with an opposing view in his town – how ridiculous is this.”

    (From Doug’s BBC Galloway link above)

  66. BrianFujisan

    7 Aug, 2014 - 7:19 pm

    Ba’al

    Sooo…here’s the first connection between Let’s Stay Fluffily Together and the demolition of Palestinian homes, for those who didn’t spot it already –

    AND Caterpillar –

    At current prices,Bill Gate’s firm’s stake in Caterpillar of 10.76 million shares is worth a cool $650 million.

    And here is how the equipment is used in Palestine –

    In the words of the United Nations Special Rapporteur on the right to food, Caterpillar’s D-9 bulldozers have been responsible for destroying “agricultural farms, greenhouses, ancient olive groves.. numerous Palestinian homes and sometimes human lives”.

    And –

    Caterpillar has supplied the IDF with bulldozers used for home demolitions since 1967. Caterpillar has sold D9 bulldozers to the IDF knowing they would be used to unlawfully demolish homes and endanger civilians in the OPT. Caterpillar continued to sell D9’s directly to the IDF even though it knew that the bulldozers were being used to commit war crimes and other serious violations of law. The Caterpillar D9 bulldozer is over 13 feet tall and 26 feet wide, weighs more than 60 tons with its armored plating, and can raze houses within minutes.

    “If they see that a given customer is using their products in a regular and inhumane manner … then it is their responsibility to do everything they can to stop such behaviour, and if they cannot, then to stop selling to such customers. This can be clearly done in the case of Israeli occupation forces,” she said.

    Caterpillar disagrees.

    In a statement provided to Al Jazeera, the company states that, “Caterpillar cannot monitor the use of every piece of its equipment around the world.”

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/07/presbyterian-israel-facing-new-divestment-support-us-20147238133786329.html

    Thats how Caterpillar tell the international Community to FK off…Simples

  67. It’s happening. The debate on STV was the spark. Folk are now talking about the referendum in workplaces.
    In my own workplace, old Labour folk that i had down as a No are saying they are a Yes.
    Maybe ‘crofters’ on their 30,000 acre estates see things differently.
    It’s coming yet, for a that.

  68. The purpose of celebrity endorsements and lists is to help you decide how to choose without thinking. It rests on the premise that we prefer to follow the crowd and the crowd follows the celebrities. Sad but advertisers and politicians know it to be true. Perhaps it doesn’t have to be true for each individual but collectively its true. I have to admit that although I think of myself as keen to argue and prone to take the counter view I may also be reluctant to go against the crowd on some things… I am not sure what they are, I will have a look but they are bound to be there. We all tend towards being bunched sticks, that way we are harder to break. Its a survival instinct and the celebrity list tries to play on it.

  69. John Edwards

    7 Aug, 2014 - 7:56 pm

    Why do the two John Lloyds have identical signatures? Are they just computer generated signatures?

  70. “Maybe ‘crofters’ on their 30,000 acre estates see things differently.”

    Which Scotland is it you live in?

    You do know what a croft is don’t you?

  71. Keith Crosby

    7 Aug, 2014 - 8:22 pm

    Not zionist control, they’re just the tools used by American Caesar and his English lickspittles. The zionist toe rags perform the same service as the Mafia and the SA.

  72. Alastair Ewen

    7 Aug, 2014 - 8:30 pm

    What, no Rolf Harris??

  73. Sandie Shaw… ? Oh well, that’s it. Puppet on a String!

  74. ” Are they just computer generated signatures? ”

    As Prof Stephen Hawking appears on the list I’m guessing they must be. Not only is he critical of Israeli policy towards Palestinians to the point of boycotting a conference held there but he and Prof Mary Beard live and work in Cambridge which wasn’t in the South East the last time I looked.

    These attempts to identify unionism with Zionism and the terrible events in Gaza are really quite risible. Further if the opinions of these people don’t matter because they’re rich and live a long way from Scotland what are we to make of a certain well known millionaire Yes supporter who doesn’t even live in the UK?

    The BBC have this item on their website about ex-pat Scots but then as they live outside Scotland I guess their opinions don’t count either and anyway the BBC probably made it all up to counter accusations of pro-unionist bias.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27655496

  75. “Are they just computer generated signatures?”

    Yes they are.

  76. Kempe

    “Cambridge which wasn’t in the South East the last time I looked”

    That rather depends on where you are looking from, my dear.

  77. With friends like Aaronovitch, we really don’t need enemies.

  78. If you are Scottish and were thinking of voting to to take control of your own national affairs (in as much as any nation has such control), then surely, surely you will have now been swayed to think again by a collection of VERY IMPORTANT PEOPLE (unlike you) who have collectively deigned to pat you on the head and throw you a bunch of petrol station flowers.

  79. I usually manage to scroll past the prophet’s droppings without needing to get my head round habbabumstuffdotcom whatever – but tonight has been particularly trying. Can someone try and kill it with kindness?

  80. Baal
    “Corby may seem an unlikely location until you remember it used to be something of an employment magnet for Scots.”

    Fuck me. They voted no in little Scotland. This no campaign is some social engineering masterclass.

  81. Rose
    Can someone try and kill it with kindness?

    Anything for you Rose. Try this.

  82. But Mr Halfon, MP for Harlow and a former political director of the Conservative Friends of Israel, described Mr Galloway’s remarks as “shocking”.

    “This ill-considered rant will cause great offence to many,” he said.

    Mr. Halfon we the goyem cattle have been shocked, offended, and outraged at the indiscriminate bombings that zionist uniformed thugs have been subjecting every Arab neighbour in that area, for decades. Best get fucking used to getting offended for a change! If the British police have fuck all else to do other than investigating your whining, winging your tits off hurt feelings, then they should be investigated for mishandling and wasting of public resources, and funds.

    Sick of your kind Mr. Halfon why don’t you go and practice what you do in zionistan Mr. Halfon? You are not doing your job and you ought to resign Mr. Halfon! The Majority of British Public are outraged and offended by the genocide and mass murder in Gaza, why are you not speaking against that? Why are you not complaining to ICC Mr. Halfon?

  83. This was the Washington Post’s emailed alert yesterday:
    “Thousands of minority Iraqis stranded on mountaintop
    Encircled by extremists, and lacking food and water, children have begun to die.”

    That second statement brought a wry smile. Sounds just like Gaza to me.

    Where? Oh yes, I remember. Ceasefire. Warsi. Bomb hoax. Goodnight.

    All done now. Children only slightly dead.

  84. Thanks Afrend – but I was thinking of something more radical. Perhaps a kindly adult to divert and entertain and agree and placate until it falls asleep.

  85. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Aug, 2014 - 10:40 pm

    Herbie

    “The same way an incompetent driver is dangerous or an incompetent with a gun or an incompetent running a country”
    ___________________

    Very silly comparisons, Herbie. Aaronovicz is a journalist and, according to Jives, a very incompetent shill.

    Dangerous? Only for people afraid of goblins in the night – you and Jives, perhaps?

  86. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Aug, 2014 - 10:50 pm

    “Rose” (or whatever you commented as)

    “…but tonight has been particularly trying.”
    _________________

    Diddums!

    I thought anyone happy to read screeds of guff from Mary at all hours of the day would be made of tougher stuff than that, “Rose”.

    Anyway : bugger off, you troll! :)

  87. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    7 Aug, 2014 - 10:55 pm

    Mary, obviously well-reestablished, crows thus:

    “Three cheers!

    Glagow City Council to fly Palestinian flag”
    _____________________

    Gesture “politics” at its silliest.

    Anyone remember David Blunkett’s Sheffield declaring itself a “nuclear-free zone”?

    ________________________

    And the Eminences, embarrassed, remain silent…. :)

  88. Ba’al Zevul (With Gaza)

    In July 2011, professor Richard Falk, former UN special envoy for Palestinian Territories was forced by his fellow Jewish leaders to remove an “anti-Semite” cartoon from his personal blog.

    The cartoon in question, depicted a dog wearing a shirt labeled “USA” and a yarmulke marked with a Star of David devouring a bloody human carcass (Libya). Lady Justice stands by blindfolded, holding the dog’s leash as it urinates on her feet.

    http://rehmat1.com/2011/07/11/richard-falk-cartoon-and-the-lobby/

  89. When Scotland gets its independence perhaps the nuclear threat to these once sceptred isles could be moved away from Scotland and closer to the worldwide cause of opprobrium. What about the Thames extuary?

  90. BrianFujisan

    8 Aug, 2014 - 12:44 am

    Exactly John, the usa insisted on the Clyde Precisely because it was so close to Plentiful Amenities…Get them to fk outa my River

    Mary –

    Three cheers!

    Glagow City Council to fly Palestinian flag

    Posted by John Hilley on August 7, 2014, 2:01 pm

    An admirable gesture.

    How typical of the BBC to headline the story as “a row”.

    Cheerz Mary

    Very Proud of my Cities stand in support of the Wracked Palestinians…GLASGOW, Standing against the Evil Genocidal Monsters…Fucking Child Killers

  91. What a bunch of wankers! Craig, er, where do you live? Aren’t you rich?

  92. Habbakuk,

    Dangerous in the sense,for example,of any fool who spouts shite from the safety of a desk as millions die on the basis of his howling vacuous shill cowardice.

    Rather quaint your defense of Aaronovitch(bet your hasbara crew call him Ronno in the canteen eh?)

    Your a transparent idiot sockpuppet fool Habbabkuk that would say or write anything as long as your line manager patted your tummy.

    p.s. go and learn the true meaning and context of a cadence.

    Tit.

  93. BrianFujisan

    8 Aug, 2014 - 4:10 am

    one of the True NOBEL peace PRIZE winners…….fuck the NOBEL PPC

    Dr. Mads Gilbert from Tromsø, Norway (Twin City with Gaza City), was working at Al Shifa Hospital in Gaza during the last Israeli onslaugt on Gaza. When he returned from Gaza to his home-town Tromsø on July 31 2014, he went straight from the airport to give this spontaneous speech at a large solidarity demonstration for Gaza held at the same time. The regional newspaper “Nordlys” (“Northern Light”) streamed the demonstration and featured Dr. Mads’ speech on their web-site. They have donated the video. It was transcribed and subtitled in English through a solidarity effort by Norwegian film and video professionals. The video can be shared and used for non-commercial purposes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOk_KaaXc9E

  94. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Aug, 2014 - 7:11 am

    Jives (on the dangerous nature of Aaronowicz):

    “Dangerous in the sense,for example,of any fool who spouts shite from the safety of a desk as millions die on the basis of his howling vacuous shill cowardice.”
    ______________________

    Doesn’t the above apply to you as well, Jives?

    I mean, you spout shite regularly from the safety of wherever you sit at 3am in the morning as millions die on the basis of your troll ravings – not.

    So that makes you “dangerous”, Jives.

  95. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Aug, 2014 - 7:13 am

    Mary, obviously well-reestablished, crows thus:

    “Three cheers!

    Glagow City Council to fly Palestinian flag”
    _____________________

    Gesture “politics” at its silliest.

    Anyone remember David Blunkett’s Sheffield declaring itself a “nuclear-free zone”?

    LOL

    ________________________

  96. PSC event – Gaza: let down by the BBC and the mainstream media?
    Posted by The Medialens Editors on August 8, 2014, 6:21 am

    I don’t know why PSC feel they have to put a question mark at the end of this event’s title.

    Anyway, here’s the message below from Amena Saleem.

    DC

    ==

    Hi
    PSC has organised a media event on Friday 28th August, titled, Gaza: let down by the BBC and the mainstream media?
    Speakers include Greg Philo, director of the Glasgow Media Group (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Glasgow-Media-Group/120381074685941), Ken Loach, the film director, and Owen Jones, the commentator and columnist.
    The event starts at 7pm at Amnesty International, 17-25 New Inn Yard, London, EC2A 3EA.
    Registration is essential.
    This is the event on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/events/266331840232524/?fref=ts
    If you’re not on facebook, these are the details:
    In this panel discussion, the film director Ken Loach, columnist and commentator Owen Jones, and Greg Philo, director of the Glasgow Media Group http://www.facebook.com/pages/Glasgow-Media-Group/120381074685941, will join others to debate where the mainstream media got it right, and where it got it wrong, over Israel’s onslaught on Gaza.
    There will be a particular focus on the BBC, examining whether the publicly funded broadcaster’s coverage accurately and impartially reflected the facts on the ground.
    And, in the age of social media and internet news, we’ll be asking: how relevant is the BBC now in providing information about the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land?

    Palestine Solidarity Campaign UK http://www.facebook.com/palestinesolidarityuk will also be providing advice on how to continually challenge the BBC and other media over its coverage of the Israeli occupation.

    IMPORTANT:
    Seating is limited. We’ll be providing information next week on how to book your place. Attendance will be by registration only.
    I realise this is (yet another) London-based event, but it would be great to see you there if you’re able to make it.

  97. BrianFujisan

    8 Aug, 2014 - 7:26 am

    Mary, obviously well-reestablished, crows thus:

    “Three cheers!

    Glagow City Council to fly Palestinian flag”

    Proud n Loud

  98. Mr Nasty aka Jim Naughtie on Radio 4 Today just now has been raising questions on the DEC appeal.

    He asks of their reporter in Gaza, Wyre Davies, whether money given by the public will actually get to the people and to help them.

    Then he speaks to a Palestinian from Islam Aid who describes conditions there as terrible and much worse than after Cast Lead. The conversation continued with Naughtie casting aspersions on Hamas even asking if they ‘interfere’ in the distribution of aid ie implying that is likely to be misappropriated.

    The DEC appeal will follow at the end of Radio 4 Today at 9am.

  99. Cheers Brian. I totally agree about Mads Gilbert. A worthy recipient but it will never happen.

  100. The establishment are terrified of Scottish independance because the seat on the UN Security Council would under epode.

  101. Sorry I meant jepody

  102. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    8 Aug, 2014 - 8:27 am

    I am well known as an open-source, free-love, cooperative-housing, red panther. Not an old soldier dragon at all. (Afrend)

    Extrapolating from this, it thinks I’m you? What’s it smoking?

  103. ” The establishment are terrified of Scottish independance because the seat on the UN Security Council would under epode. (be under jeopardy?) ”

    How so?

  104. the reduction of britains overhaul economic power with the removal of Scotland,countries like India ,Brazil,Germany will have stronger arguments to challenge the uks so called power which it justifies it’s standing at the security council. Since ww2 Britain has been in decline economically and military it depends on the USA for advance aircraft, intelligence,and nuclear weapons and the means to use them.

  105. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    8 Aug, 2014 - 9:21 am

    I do not gallivant around saying you must be that old Tory diplomat whose name I do not know. Craigs ex colleague. The one who now teaches people how to talk. You know who I mean. He commented here not so long ago. His blog is really dead.

    Oh, him…thanks.

    :-)

  106. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    8 Aug, 2014 - 9:37 am

    …you mean the guy who writes for Frank Gaffney’s ‘Secure Freedom Radio’, don’t you?

    And please don’t be nasty about his blog. He’s in the top 30 ‘Libertarian’ blogs:

    http://www.totalpolitics.com/print/27233/top-30-libertarian-blogs.thtml

    So, a Teaparty (UK) neocon, then. No wonder he’s grumpy.

  107. August 7, 2014
    Israel: Worlds apart
    By John Reed

    Hardened attitudes towards Gaza and a long-term shift to the political right reflect the failure of past peace efforts

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d09aa22e-1e10-11e4-ab52-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz39mIj4rel

    ‘Gideon Levy, a columnist with the left-leaning newspaper Ha’aretz whose strongly pro-Palestinian views are now regarded as extreme left in Israel, recently began moving around Tel Aviv with a bodyguard after being threatened and abused in public. In an opinion piece, he had accused Israeli air force pilots of pushing buttons and joysticks, and killing civilians during Operation Protective Edge, committing, he said, “the lowest deeds from the loftiest heights”. Hundreds of people cancelled their subscriptions to Ha’aretz and he received death threats.

    “We went to this war after years of incitement, brainwashing, demonising of the Palestinians, of rightwing governments and legislation in parliament delegitimising the left, non-governmental organisations and human rights organisations,” he says. “I don’t like to use this word, but we see more and more fascist phenomena in Israel. It’s not yet fascism, but you see the signs.”’

  108. John Edwards

    8 Aug, 2014 - 10:06 am

    A couple of years ago I drove through the small Sussex town where the 97 year old Vera Lynn’s carers keep her under strict Zionist control. As if.

  109. Jonathan Cook highlights an outrageous article in Haaretz
    (Via Facebook)

    Just in case you made the mistake of thinking the Israeli army knows exactly what it’s doing, here is quite a revealing article by Amos Harel, a reporter who is little more than stenographer for the Israeli army. His account is plausible because it does the army no favours. It makes Israel’s top military echelon out to be an arrogant and deluded bunch, one also more than ready to kill civilians when its soldiers got out of their depth.

    Here is how he characterises the top brass’ initial assessment of the “war”:

    “The IDF’s initial assumption was that a series of gradually escalating strikes on Hamas assets would reduce its desire to fight and spur it to quickly accept a cease-fire. That assumption didn’t exactly work out.

    “In part, this could be due to the differences between Gaza and Lebanon, which is the principle theater for which the IDF has prepared. Both Hezbollah and the Lebanese government have bigger assets to lose: Beirut’s Dahiyeh neighborhood, where Hezbollah is headquartered, and major civilian infrastructure like the Beirut airport, highways and power stations. Hamas’s assets in Gaza are much smaller, and unlike in Lebanon, there’s no chance of driving a wedge between it and the government, because Hamas is the government.”

    Yes, a small oversight on the part of the military planners. Anyone, I suppose, could have made a similar mistake – if they were driven by racist preconceptions about generic “Arabs”.

    When things started to slip out of the army’s control, as in Shujaiyeh, the IDF simply flattened everything in sight:

    “When Golani Brigade fighters suffered multiple losses during a fierce battle with Hamas in Gaza City’s Shujaiyeh neighborhood on July 20, the air force hastened to the rescue. Within 50 minutes, planes had struck 126 targets, most with one-ton bombs.”

    Using Gaza lessons to prepare for next Hezbollah war
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.609331

    /..
    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1407487866.html full article

  110. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    8 Aug, 2014 - 10:16 am

    ” The establishment are terrified of Scottish independance because the seat on the UN Security Council would under epode. (be under jeopardy?) ”

    How so?

    The reason the UK is on the Security Council is that it has nukes. The nukes are in Scotland. That might have something to do with it? Though I imagine the rUK will relocate the nukes to, let us say, Belfast…maybe even Canary Wharf…should the evil nationalist insurgents defy the will of US Congress and take over.

  111. Mary –
    u brought up the actions planned against the BBC for what was in reality their support for the zionist position on the attack on Gaza. u can include ABC in Australia in that regard. both corporations devote thousands of hours a year pretending to care about racism/sexism/etc., but it’s rhetoric, just as with the politicians.

    Chomsky’s interview is the best to date on the Gaza situation, and it is interesting to note – even in the context of Craig’s thread – who has been long on rhetoric & short on action:

  112. somehow my comment went thru before i posted the link for the Chomsky interview, which is extensive. watch it all:

    VIDEO: Democracy Now: “A Hideous Atrocity”: Noam Chomsky on Israel’s Assault on Gaza & U.S. Support for the Occupation
    Juan Gonzalez: …What do you make of the continued refusal of one administration after another here in the United States, which officially is opposed to the settlement expansion, to refuse to call Israel to the table on this attempt to create its own reality on the ground?
    NOAM CHOMSKY: Well, your phrase “officially opposed” is quite correct. But we can look at—you know, you have to distinguish the rhetoric of a government from its actions, and the rhetoric of political leaders from their actions. That should be obvious. So we can see how committed the U.S. is to this policy, easily. For example, in February 2011, the U.N. Security Council considered a resolution which called for—which called on Israel to terminate its expansion of settlements. Notice that the expansion of settlements is not really the issue. It’s the settlements. The settlements, the infrastructure development, all of this is in gross violation of international law. That’s been determined by the Security Council, the International Court of Justice. Practically every country in the world, outside of Israel, recognizes this. But this was a resolution calling for an end to expansion of settlements—official U.S. policy. What happened? Obama vetoed the resolution. That tells you something…
    Furthermore, the official statement to Israel about the settlement expansion is accompanied by what in diplomatic language is called a wink—a quiet indication that we don’t really mean it. So, for example, Obama’s latest condemnation of the recent, as he puts it, violence on all sides was accompanied by sending more military aid to Israel. Well, they can understand that. And that’s been true all along. In fact, when Obama came into office, he made the usual statements against settlement expansion. And his administration was—spokespersons were asked in press conferences whether Obama would do anything about it, the way the first George Bush did something—mild sanctions—to block settlement expansions. And the answer was, “No, this is just symbolic.” …
    There are plenty of things the U.S. can do to implement what Obama talked about. And the question is—and, in fact, when the U.S. gives orders, Israel obeys. That’s happened over and over again. That’s completely obvious why, given the power relationships. So things can be done. They were done by Bush two, by Clinton, by Reagan, and the U.S. could do them again. Then we’ll know whether those words were anything other than the usual pleasant rhetoric…
    The reason was that a free election took place in Palestine, and it came out the wrong way. Well, Israel and the United States, of course, love democracy, but only if it comes out the way they want. So, the U.S. and Israel instantly imposed harsh sanctions. Israeli attacks, which really never ended, escalated. Europe, to its shame, went along. Then Israel and the United States immediately began planning for a military coup to overthrow the government. When Hamas pre-empted that coup, there was fury in both countries. The sanctions and military attacks increased. And then we’re on to what we discussed before: periodic episodes of “mowing the lawn.”…
    NOAM CHOMSKY: Well, for Israel, with U.S. backing, the current situation is a kind of a win-win situation. If Hamas agrees to extend the ceasefire, Israel can continue with its regular policies, which I described before: taking over what they want in the West Bank, separating it from Gaza, keeping the diet and so on. If Hamas doesn’t accept the ceasefire, Netanyahu can make another speech like the one you—the cynical speech you quoted earlier. The only thing that can break this is if the U.S. changes its policies, as has happened in other cases. I mentioned two: South Africa, Timor. There’s others. And that’s decisive. If there’s going to be a change, it will crucially depend on a change in U.S. policy here. For 40 years, the United States has been almost unilaterally backing Israeli rejectionism, refusal to entertain the overwhelming international consensus on a two-state settlement…
    http://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/7/a_hideous_atrocity_noam_chomsky_on

  113. ‘These attempts to identify unionism with Zionism and the terrible events in Gaza are really quite risible.’

    For once I agree with you Kempe; two of the signatories on the list are George Galloway and David Gilmour, neither of whom could remotely be described as ‘zionists’.

  114. just to clarify “mow the lawn” from the Chomsky interview i posted:

    Democracy Now: Democracy Now: Gaza Ceasefire: After 1,800+ Dead, What Led Israel to Stop the Assault – and What Comes Next?
    Interview with Norman Finkelstein
    NORMAN FINKELSTEIN: And Israel, every few years, has to—or less than few years, has to mow the lawn in Gaza. And so, they wanted to make sure the next time they mow the lawn—
    AMY GOODMAN: Why do you say “mow the lawn”?
    NORMAN FINKELSTEIN: Well, that’s the Israeli expression. You go in, and you kill a thousand people, destroy everything in sight, and Israel calls that “mowing the lawn.” So every few years they have to go into Gaza and mow the lawn. They want to make sure next time they mow the lawn—because if you read the Israeli commentators, who are really a sick bunch of people, all of them are talking now about the next war. Every single commentator is talking about the next war. This one isn’t even over yet. But they want to make sure the next time they go in, there won’t be tunnels. So that was the real aim of the mission…
    http://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/5/ceasefire_after_gaza_assault_leaves_1800

    also, for the record, i’ve wanted to post here the only tally in the MSM, pretending to keep track of the amount of weapons used. NYT shockingly writes of under 4,000 TARGETS struck by Israel, & 2,909 ROCKETS launched by Hamas:

    NYT: The Toll in Gaza and Israel, Day by Day
    By KAREN YOURISH and JOSH KELLER
    Latest totals updated Aug. 6
    3,834 targets in Gaza struck by Israel
    1,880 Palestinian deaths
    2,909 rockets launched at Israel from Gaza
    67 Israeli deaths
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/15/world/middleeast/toll-israel-gaza-conflict.html?action=click&contentCollection=Middle%20East&module=RelatedCoverage&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article&_r=0

    remember it was reported on Israel Radio on 9 July, that Israel dropped 400 tonnes of bombs & missiles on Gaza in the first two days of the attack.

    in Rania Masri’s harrowing “Mr. Obama, What is Barbaric?” speech at the “Texas for Gaza” protest, she spoke of 500,000 bombs & missiles dropped on Gaza, & she was probably close to the mark. a TARGET in Gaza could be a whole City that was almost entirely demolished by hundreds of bombs & missiles.

    NYT/BBC – both considered so influential – shame on them.

  115. Dugard makes some good points.

    Aljazeera: John Dugard: Debunking Israel’s self-defense argument
    http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/7/gaza-israel-internationalpoliticsunicc.html

    Democracy Now: Can Israel Claim Self-Defense Against the Territory It
    Occupies? Int’l Jurist John Dugard Says No
    (John Dugard, former U.N. special rapporteur on human rights in the
    Palestinian territories and emeritus professor of international law at the
    University of Leiden in the Netherlands)
    http://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/6/can_israel_claim_self_defense_against?autostart=true&get_clicky_key=suggested_next_story

    btw Craig, as a fourth generation irish/anglo/aussie, i’m hoping for a Yes vote, but i’m not feeling confident it will happen. too many powerful forces working against it, i’m afraid.

    how Scotland ended up with the Commonwealth Games – & the Queen – so close to the vote, i don’t know, but those powerful “No” forces certainly made the most out of that unfortunate timing.

  116. doug scorgie

    8 Aug, 2014 - 1:43 pm

    Republicofscotland
    7 Aug, 2014 – 3:54 pm

    The US Congress, tables resolution to oppose Scottish independence, Obama says no.
    ———————————————————

    “Now, therefore, be it resolved that the House of Representatives believes that a united, secure, and prosperous United Kingdom is important for U.S. national security priorities in Europe and around the world,”
    ———————————————————

    So the US national security is it? Are they going to send warships
    to the Firth of Forth?

    ———————————————————–
    “…and asserts the importance of the Special Relationship to maintaining transatlantic security ties.”

    ———————————————————–

    Blackmail. The “Special Relationship” and security ties could be cancelled

    What will MI5 do? Rig the ballot?

  117. ” The reason the UK is on the Security Council is that it has nukes. ”

    The UK is a permanent member of the Security Council because it was one of the “victor nations” of WW2. At the time of it’s formation in 1946 only one of the five permanent members was a nuclear power (America). The UK was a member before it acquired it’s own nuclear weapons and there’s no reason it shouldn’t remain on the council should it disarm.

  118. In response to condemnation of Israeli genocide in Gaza, Netanyahu has urged the visiting US lawmakers o protect the Zionist regime from being dragged to the International Criminal Court (ICC) on charges of war crimes. The AIPAC-sponsored delegation was lead by Jewish congressman Steve Israel (D-NY).

    “We didn’t cooperate with Goldstone Report and, in the end, it disappeared from the world,” Benjamin Netanyahu, prime minister of the Zionist entity.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/08/08/netanyahu-help-israel-avoid-war-crimes-charges/

  119. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    8 Aug, 2014 - 3:40 pm

    The UK was a member before it acquired it’s own nuclear weapons and there’s no reason it shouldn’t remain on the council should it disarm.

    Let me know when it disarms. My thesis is that while it got the seat because it still thought of itself as a major player, it has only retained its seat because it’s nuclear, and it’s retained its nukes, with US co-operation, in order to retain its seat.

    Also it saves the US making routine submarine patrols- or some of them – in European/ Russian waters.

  120. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    8 Aug, 2014 - 3:47 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “What will MI5 do? Rig the ballot?”
    ____________________

    I shouldn’t think so, Doug. You might be showing signs of paranoia, or perhaps you’ve jumped onto this particular hobby-horse a little late?

  121. You know people keep mentioning the likes of David Aaronovitch and what their views are. I don’t think people like him have any of their own views. His views are his employers views.
    People who work for Rupert Murdoch are not allowed to criticize Israel so he doesn’t.

    To Zionists what matters is, is something good for Israel.
    So when Zionists felt as though Communism was good for Israel they were left leaning. Now communism is dead, they have all become NeoCons.

  122. The Disasters Emergency Committee appeal for Gaza launched today.

    http://dec.org.uk/appeals/gaza-crisis-2014/gaza-crisis-appeal

    The trustees http://www.dec.org.uk/board-trustees

    and the member charities http://www.dec.org.uk/member-charities

  123. Scotland isn’t a nation. It’s a region. The UK is a nation. We’ve been through too much together to split up.

  124. Independence or not, the feudal serfdom will continue.

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