Speaking Date Availability

by craig on September 5, 2014 9:02 am in Uncategorized

I am available again for Yes meetings on 15, 16 and 17 September. Invitations welcome through the contact button above. Happy to go anywhere I can do good. My St Andrews speech a week ago has now had 75,000 views on Youtube.

It is symptomatic of the way this campaign has gone that I can find nothing online from the No camp which has had one fifth as many views, with the solitary exception of the PatronisngBTWoman video, which has massive views from people making fun of it.

Miliband was in Blantyre yesterday where his every bodily function was breathlessly reported by Severin Carrell in the Guardian – but even the Guardian could not pretend his audience in the “Labour stronghold” amounted to more than “dozens”. I am told it was under fifty. Better Together support on the ground has simply evaporated. What they rely on is that the massive output of mainstream media and the authority of the Westminster parties will have sufficient impact on their key demographics – pensioners, and housewives in a 1950′s sense – to shore up a residual no vote of the easily scared. My challenge to people to identify any Better Together gathering of more than 300 has been met with resounding silence.

Television has been wall to wall Miliband lately, and the BBC in Scotland seem to have simply abandoned their obligation to give equal broadcast time and treatment to both sides. Presumably many of the New Labour hacks who control Pacific Quay realise that their behaviour has made a Yes win a career threatening situation for them, so at this stage they see nothing to lose.

If independence is achieved it will be down to a popular movement and not to any politician. Indeed, if one person has to be singled out, I would say the Rev Stuart Campbell has made the most decisive individual contribution in the campaign. If Social media has beaten the mainstream media, the central rock around which millions of flowers have bloomed has been the Wings over Scotland website. This has a significantly larger daily readership than any newspaper in Scotland. The Wee Blue Book I found everywhere, including copies already available in pretty well every pub I entered, as I toured the East Coast. Over 400,000 downloads of the PDF have been made and 250,000 copies centrally printed, as well as a number of private initiatives which had already obtained professional printings from the PDF. Conservatively, there are over half a million hard copies out there, as well as all the reads online. In a population of 5.2 million, that is a major impact.

When we close down BBC Scotland and create a new citizen based, cheaper and more arts-oriented organisation in its place, let’s put Stuart Campbell in charge. Some state-funded drama and arts output seems to me commendable. State funding of pap entertainment is not needed – the private sector can do that perfectly well. State funding of “journalism” which investigates nothing and never challenges the establishment must be stopped.

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  1. Running away from problems, don’t fix them; especially if you carry the radical gene that caused the problem in the first place.

    Broken Britain was broken by subversion, Scottish Nationalism is just a continuation of that treachery.

  2. Agreed.

    Stuart Campbell has had a major impact on this campaign and the Wee Blue Book is a phenomenon in itself.

    Many people have made massive contributions. Some of them politicians, and some “personalities” or “celebrities” like Elaine C Smith, Allan Bissett and you! (Make no mistake, the revelations of the horrific behaviour of what is currently “our” country, has had an impact.) Some of them of course are just ordinary Jocks and Jockesses who go out night after night knocking on doors, manning stalls and Yes shops and spreading the word.

    The No campaign, seems to have nothing except shouting, finger pointing and doom, unless you include dubious expenses behaviour over Westminster flats).

    Apart from the “clout” line, I’ve never heard anyone put forward a positive argument from being a part of the UK. Last night I noticed that the RH, the Lord George Robertson, Baron of Port Ellen on the Island of Islay, said that we would be reduced to an insignificant piece of land in the north of Britain, or words to that effect.

    He seems to forget that most of us here benefit in no way whatsoever for the (in my view) myth that Britain is “important”. His nobleness may travel to Washington first class, be put up at the Embassy and have people bowing and scraping, calling him by his aristocratic title, and of course, David Cameron is currently rubbing shoulders with seriously important people like Obama and Merkel. But for the rest of us, all this clout means very little. For the people of Cardiff, a great deal of expense and weeks of inconvenience.

    But mostly WE don’t care because it benefits us not one jot.

    I’d gladly be insignificant, like Norway and Iceland. I’ll happily give up the chance for my prime minister to stand shoulder to shoulder with the President of the USA or the King of Saudi Arabia, if there aren’t hungry kids and cold pensioners, and if diabetics don’t die with £3.44 in their purse and not enough money to fire the fridge to keep their insulin cold.

    To anyone with a speaking opportunity, I’d say grab Craig. With knowledge and experience of the inside, he makes the audience sit up in horror and disgust at the appalling lack of decency in a state we currently call ours, and as Yes voter above confirms, this can be a game changer.

  3. Call me Cringe

    5 Sep, 2014 - 10:50 am

    “My challenge to people to identify any Better Together gathering of more than 300 has been met with resounding silence.”

    “No” voters are resoundingly silent. There is nothing to get excited about. They’ll quietly and dutifully go out and vote and that is all you’ll see of them.

    That you cannot take on board the obvious point that the No campaign by its very nature is not going to involve lively meetings of hundreds of young radical types tweeting and blogging away is part of the hubris I’m afraid.

  4. Are there any more polls showing a narrowing beyond the 6 point difference we see widely reported?

  5. Peter

    Given the truly fundamental importance of this, there is a peculiar lack of polls at the moment.

  6. That’s amazing Craig, almost as if MSM and their polling affiliates ignore the ‘yes’ gains, peddle more bs on the ‘no’ side: it’ll all go away.

  7. The reason their is no ‘enthusiasm’ for the NO campaign, is exactly the same reason there is no enthusiasm in a divorce case; unless you’re a money grubbing lawyer, like most politcos seem to be these days, in which case you can’t see the tragedy for the promise.

  8. Hear you re Rev Stu.
    Wings has been beyond fabulous and the distribution of the WBB an absolute godsend.
    Love the idea of ditching BBC in indy Sco.
    Meanwhile (sees Wings right now), BT folk continue to lie and lie and then, after a short tea break, lie and lie and then lie some more.
    I recall an American writing a book called something like Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell them: A Balanced Look at the Right.
    Replace “the Right” with “Better Together” or “unionist politicians” and you would be accurately describing the horrifying barrage of alarmist gibberish issuing forth from the mouths of the anti-indy crowd. Jackie Bailie is particularly annoying at the moment. These tribal Labourites have probably begun to believe their own lies…I think it’s psychologically difficult to go around with the conscious knowledge that you are an utter liar, out to scare people…

  9. And what is the psychological make-up of a radical, Alex?

  10. What kind of radical would you have in mind there Giro?
    Thatcher was a highly radical conservative, but I’m not sure that’s what you’re thinking of.

  11. I agree, though Thatcher was the stalking horse of Keith Joseph, who was the true radical behind that throne.

    Some radicalism is only natural and right, so that we can evolve as and when circumstance make that necessary; but too much radicalism will undue any benefits.

    We need tradition to act as the ‘DNA’ of all the good things that have evolved through our shared culture. Excessive radicalism is to throw the baby out with the bath water.

  12. Was that really Milipede Jnr? I thought it was an avatar. A very hollow man, almost as hollow as the Man of Straw or BLiar.

  13. Watching SillyBland is virtually nationalist porn: he’s truly pathetic, inept, flailing around as he sees his handy Scots battalions about to evaporate into thin air…
    The man has nothing to offer the people of Scotland, just a marginally modified Thatcherism that will undoubtedly – as Labour has said itself – smash the poor.
    He’s unpopular in Scotland as he is everywhere.
    He bangs on about the terrible things the SNP will do, evidently sure the Scots Labour party has no chance of winning an election in an indy Sco. Such defeatism eh.
    And of course handily forgetting that the last Labour government cut corporation tax itself…
    So long Ed, you won’t be missed.

  14. And didn’t Miliband gain ‘power’ through the unions [the Marxist kind]?

    Britain, with its 5 million plus public sector ‘workers’, has lost its democratic mandate, as the Parliament becomes the dog wagged by the union dominated civil service; itself a Marxist state within our democracy.

    Dividing Britain will not kill the public sector leviathan, but simply give it two heads, a north and a south.

    The problem we share was never Britain, it was those radical Marxists that have been fucking our culture for the last 40 odd years. Together we stand a hope of killing it; divided we will both be subsumed by the evil of rampant radicalism, north and south.

  15. The internet will win it for Yes and Scotland.

  16. Well said on Wings Over Scotland. The site is exemplary in its checking, sourcing and referencing. Shouldn’t all journalism be like that? With no disrespect to the many other sites supporting independence, Wings has systematically and single-handedly sunk each Unionist canard as it has been presented, giving activists and canvassers all around the country the ammunition they needed to fight the state propaganda. From time to time the invective is fun too: he has a habit of calling a spade a – er – I’ll leave that bit out.

    Pacific Quay has been doomed for a while now. They remind me now of the Chechens in Tolstoy’s Cossacks who, faced with impossible odds, kneel, buckle themselves knee to knee, and sing a death song.

    On polls – which might be out there, who might have asked for them, whether they might be published, what they mean etc. the authoritative site is James Kelly’s:

    http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/

    His video on opinion polls is worth watching too.

  17. Couldn’t agree more on Wings over Scotland. It has been a breath of fresh air and exposed lies ,fairy tales and false statistics.The wee blue book is a godsend.
    Canny wait till the 16th to experience what’S going on.Exciting times indeed.

  18. I have always resisted calls to ban people, and been highly sceptical of imputations that anybody was a paid troll. (We once had someone called Larry from t Louis who was an employee of a lobbying firm paid by Gulnara Karimova, and he became a house pet).

    However since the referendum campaign started in earnest, a new one has appeared in the person of Al Milliner. He has used over twenty different IP addresses, eight different personas and numerous false email addresses.

    Interestingly he makes sure that he gets in first on new posts – he got in on this one before the tweet went out, the FB page went up or the RSS feed had reflected on other blogs. So either he is monitoring the blog by the second, or has some sophisticated monitoring capacity.

    When I first twigged what was happening I banned his IPP address, and he reappeared with a new IPP address within twenty seconds – something the vast majority of people are not equipped to do.

    He makes a single point – to deny that NATO killed 15,000 people in their 398 bombing raids on Sirte, of which pictorial evidence is readily available. He hammers on about it like Darling on currency union. It appears a single-minded attempt to arouse doubt as to credibility. For four days now, whenever deleted or banned he pops up again instantly with a new IP address, email address and/or identity and has plainly been real time monitoring. Very few individuals have time for such long concentrated effort.

    In short, I have no doubt this is professional.

  19. “Well said on Wings Over Scotland. The site is exemplary in its checking, sourcing and referencing.”

    Quite unlike this one, then, which makes the claim that we killed 15,000 in Sirte without a shred of evidence to support it.

  20. JimmyGiro:Socialism and the Scot Nats have not broke Britain.
    Banks have been a huge part of the bankruptcy of the system.The lobbying system and kowtowing to the City by every Westminster Govt, no matter the flavour has broken us politically.And then there has been the attack on the family ,religion and education which has broken us spiritually.Our senseless wars for Material wealth have corrupted society and broken the British morally.
    Thatcherism was probably the start of it, but Labour never tried to stop it. They just rebranded and kept it going.

  21. Exactly one minute after I posted that comment he reappeared doing it again – presumably his idea of a joke. However this only confirms that the blog is under second by second real time surveillance by whichever organisation “jimmy” and “al milliner” represent. If it is a single idiot, he has been glued to the screen watching this site intently for four days and is clearly a total nutter.

  22. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    5 Sep, 2014 - 12:52 pm

    His [James Kelly’s] video on opinion polls is worth watching too.”

    I can’t find the video, Vronsky. Can you post a link please?

  23. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    5 Sep, 2014 - 12:56 pm

    Take it as a compliment, Craig. They wouldn’t bother if you were ineffective.

  24. YouKnowMyName

    5 Sep, 2014 - 1:07 pm

    SCOTTISH independence would leave the country at greater risk of attack from terrorists, according to [John Scarlet of Dr Kelly fame] a former head of MI6

    more FUD (fear uncertainty & doubt) reported in todays Times, summarised in the Scotsman

    on a more general note, I prefer a wry ‘joke’ that someone’s clipped from Private Eye or what-have-you?

    I think it might even be referring to Craig & Ўзбекистон

  25. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Sep, 2014 - 1:14 pm

    Craig (re A Milliner)

    “If it is a single idiot, he has been glued to the screen watching this site intently for four days and is clearly a total nutter.”
    ___________________

    Craig, I hold no brief for A Milliner and this is your blog. But there are plenty if other examples of people who appear to be glued to this blog in order to peddle their personal phobias (eg, Mary and our new contributor “Republicofscotland”) and there are other nutters galore (eg Mr Goss – Putin, Ukraine, New York Jews funding the Bolsehevik revolution, the Rothschilds, Bilderbergers, Freemasons…).

    And, on the whole, they are considerably less polite about it than A Milliner.

  26. @Node

    Ah – it’s gone from the site. I’ve emailed James requesting a new link – will get back to you.

  27. doug scorgie

    5 Sep, 2014 - 1:24 pm

    After beheading two American journalists ISIS is threatening to kill a British hostage who just happens to be…Scottish!

    What an opportunity for the Better Together camp if he is beheaded before 18th September.

  28. Craig… An easy solution to get rid of your troll would be to prove what you say is true. Pictorial evidence of some bombed out buildings isn’t really going to cut it. Also when you say the vast majority of people are not equipped to change their IP address it shows you haven’t much of a clue abput technology. Anyone can do that with three clicks of a mouse button.

  29. Al Milliner

    5 Sep, 2014 - 1:54 pm

    Craig

    You originally denied banning me but now you admit to it.

    I do make a single point and I have changed my IP in order to keep making it, as you keep banning me and deleting my posts for no legitimate reason.

    I want to know where you got the idea that we killed 15,000 in Sirte from.

    You tell us over 70,000 people have absorbed this information. Some of them will vote Yes because of it.

    It is therefore important that you provide evidence to support your claim.

  30. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    5 Sep, 2014 - 2:10 pm

    Thanks Vronsky, well worth a look. Kelly explains how numbers and polls have been used for decades to manipulate the Scottish independence debate. No hystrionics, no unsubstantiated claims, no insults – just a measured analysis.
    Leaving aside the referendum, everybody should be aware of these methods of influencing the outcome of a poll.
    Here’s that link again:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhyg5WA47qA

  31. @Donnydarko,

    I agree with the bulk of your points, but the conclusion for disunion is wrong headed. It is if a couple woke up one day to discover they both have syphilis, and instead of curing the problem, they seek divorce.

  32. doug scorgie

    5 Sep, 2014 - 2:13 pm

    Al Milliner
    5 Sep, 2014 – 1:54 pm

    “I want to know where you got the idea that we killed 15,000 in Sirte from.”
    “You tell us over 70,000 people have absorbed this information. Some of them will vote Yes because of it.”

    —————————————-

    Aha! so now we know who you work for Al Milliner; the Better Together campaign.

  33. Al Millliner

    5 Sep, 2014 - 2:13 pm

    Sorry to keep insisting on the point, but it is plain to every disinterested observer that a little shit military run by fudge-packing toffs couldn’t shoot 15,000 fish in a barrel. It is a slur on our little pretend British army and our little toy nuclear submarine to say they kill wogs. All we do is let the rough tough americans bring them in, then when they’re safely tied up we beat them up and and suspend them from vehicles and things and pour fizzy drinks up their nose and so on. Then we retire to barracks drink whisky from one another’s buttcracks along with other traditional homoerotic rituals of our forbears in the inbred officer class.

    We need Scotland to punch above our weight, when we’re punching helpless tied-up captives. And when we’re begging the americans to hide the evidence, a Scottish burr is much more beguiling than RP. So you see, that is why you should vote no.

  34. One of the few things that you can actually prove about surveys is that people lie. For events that repeat themselves (eg General Elections) the pollsters make educated guesses about how people lied in the past and do thus get it right more often than chance would otherwise predict. But where there is no past experience to go on they are as much in the dark as the rest of us.

  35. Craigspierre, if you want to ban my IP it would be total, as I use a Static one; it would be like banning England from all future debates on history and culture… metaphorically speaking.

  36. Jimmygiro

    No interest in banning you at all. We often disagree, sometimes agree, but you are a genuine and valued individual with no uncanny internet powers.

  37. So i’m too useless to be a useful idiot !!!???

  38. Al Milliner

    What a complete arse you are. Pictures of miles of bombed out civilian residences is not sufficient evidence of deaths. What kind of evidence do you think is available in a bombed out country that we plunged into disruption by perpetual and ongoing civil war? When the hospitals and morgues were closed down and often destroyed themselves, and the shattered bodies were interred with the rubble? You are the moral equivalent of a holocaust denier. Why exactly do you think NATO kept bombing Sirte if they weren’t killing anybody?

  39. Craig, maybe if you stopped mentioning the 15,000 dead figure certain posters might stop pressing you for the supporting evidence you clearly don’t have. Pictures of bombed out buildings prove nothing and having to stoop to personal insults only proves you’ve lost the argument.

    http://manchesterhistory.net/architecture/1970/manchesterira1.jpg

    Speaking of Holocaust deniers why has Al Milliner has been banned but Republicofscotland remains despite the disgusting Holocaust denial stuff he’s posted and which still remains?

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/08/st-andrews-speech/

  40. Futile gestures don’t have to be that fatal eg the (up til then) largest air raid in Europe since WWII:

    A combined force of 50 US (F-15E, F-16C, F/A-18D), French (MIRAGE 2000 NK2, JAGUAR), Dutch (F-16A) and British (JAGUAR, Sea Harrier) combat, surveillance and support aircraft took off from five bases in Italy (Aviano, Istriana, Gioia del Cole, Trapani and Pizza) and the British aircraft carrier Invincible in the Adriatic. The combined force took off at 12:15.

    At 12:30 they were grouped into several formations over Udbina: some bombed the runways while others took out the antiaircraft batteries. Sources on the ground said that UN trucks had been deployed along the runway (UN spokesman in Knin) as a final effort to show good will following Martic’s offer to allow observers in.

    The operation was over at around 13:30. The runway was pockmarked with craters caused by Durandal bombs created to destroy runways.

    Airport commander Colonel Ratko Dopudja later said they had used cargo bombs which sowed hundreds of mines around the airfield. Both sides (UNPROFOR and the RSK) agree that there were two fatalities and several wounded. NATO said it had taken pains to inflict as few casualties as possible and hadn’t targeted planes on the ground. http://www.tol.org/client/article/16155-the-bombing-of-udbine.html

  41. Craig, be reasonable. The Americans are going to stuff the MDA up Parliament’s arse in little more than three months. If we’re not to have a base for the nuclear rubberducky that the yanks built us, please at least let them give us money for some nice aeroplanes. They’re not meant to kill wogs, except incidentally – they’re for show. When Tony Blair fluttered about Bush like his butler, and we zoomed here and there in Afghanistan, Zoom! Varoom! They let the Royals play, for Christ’s sakes. Do you really think the americans would let us do anything important, like killing thousands of Libyan civilians? Absurd. They like our plummy accents when they’re declaring victory before running pell-mell out of the chaos.

  42. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Sep, 2014 - 3:35 pm

    re Sirte and the 15.000

    “What a complete arse you are. Pictures of miles of bombed out civilian residences is not sufficient evidence of deaths.”
    __________________

    Indeed not.

    The recent Israeli bombardment of Gaza apparently destroyed a very considerable number of houses and caused significant damage to infrastructure.

    But deaths are generally estimated to have been around 2.100.

    Which shows, I think, that firmer evidence than pictures of (even a large number of) destroyed buildings is needed to back up the 15.000 claim.

  43. Kempe

    There was a period of a week or more during Doune the Rabbit Hole when there were no moderators available. I just did a search on “Holocaust” in comments and nothing from the commenter you mention came out. I haven’t time to read thousands of comments, but if anyone wishes to pinpoint for me any holocaust denying comments they will get deleted.

  44. doug scorgie

    5 Sep, 2014 - 3:36 pm

    Al Milliner
    5 Sep, 2014 – 2:55 pm

    “Craig claimed we killed 15,000 in Sirte at a Scottish independence meeting, expressly for the purpose of undermining faith in the UK…”

    —————————————-

    I think you’ll find that Craig said it was NATO bombing of Sirte; not bombing by the UK alone. So if Craig was undermining faith in anything it was NATO.

    As for undermining faith in the UK; our governments; politicians, security services and the Foreign Office are doing a great job of that without any help from Craig.

  45. “When I first twigged what was happening I banned his IPP address, and he reappeared with a new IPP address within twenty seconds – something the vast majority of people are not equipped to do.”

    Everybody is equipped to do that just turn off your router and turn it back on again.

    Only the few who pay extra for a static address it wouldn’t work for but they are the people who would know how to use a proxi.

  46. Habbabkuk

    There is broad sense in the comparison, and I thought of it myself, but if you search the destruction in Sirte was much more extensive even than Gaza. It is one of the things that makes me comfortable about the estimate. The main thing that makes me comfortable is that it was given at the Frontline Club by a speaker to an audience which contained many who had been there, and nobody questioned it. The Frontline Club is a great place to find what experienced correspondents really feel rather than get to broadcast.

  47. Fred

    Yes – but to work out you had been banned and then do that, all within a minute, is pretty remarkable.

  48. Republicofscotland

    5 Sep, 2014 - 3:45 pm

    Nice article Craig, I think there were more minders and photographer’s at Miliband’s address, than actual punters, a telling sign. Hold onto your hat John (Southpaw)Prescott is on his way up to Scotland next week to convince Scot’s to vote no. Two Jag’s Prescott will box a few ears if we don’t vote no.

  49. Al Milliner

    5 Sep, 2014 - 3:48 pm

    Craig

    You are wonderfully selective in your deletion of posts

  50. The Al Milliner pseudonym is hilarious. Is there a special department created by Bitter Together for internet trickery?

    Could you tell us about Call Me Cringe Craig. He/she also has multiple IP addresses etc.

  51. O/T I am sure that this matter is in very safe hands. After all the lady selected is a member of the establishment. Her impartiality cannot be called into question and she is above reproach.

    New sex abuse inquiry chief is named
    Lord Mayor of London Fiona Woolf replaces Lady Butler-Sloss as head of a government inquiry into historical child abuse.

    Butler-Sloss quits abuse inquiry
    The boy ‘trafficked for paedophiles’
    Child abuse investigations
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29076504

    For the sake of the abused children let the above be true.

  52. Al Milliner

    5 Sep, 2014 - 4:01 pm

    For example, you deleted my meticulously-documented rebuttal of the lies of radical Scottish nationalist YES propagandist Fatou Bensouda,

    http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/may/13/icc-to-investigate-alleged-british-war-crimes-iraq

  53. nevermind, Scotland will be free

    5 Sep, 2014 - 4:02 pm

    “Given the truly fundamental importance of this, there is a peculiar lack of polls at the moment.”

    This is extraordinary indeed, because usually by this time, coming to the end of a campaign, and an Independence campaign to boot, you would see a plethora of organisations wanting to find out the ins and outs in polls.

    This could also have more sinister reasons and I urge all the activists to stay the course, ensure that this message gets through to all, monitor all postal votes and spotcheck them. Count them by wards and add to the total at the ballot box, they should not excede overall voters.
    Make sure that the polling stations and ballot boxes are in your sight, preferably sealed by both campaigns after voting finishes.
    Ensure that nobody has a sample of your seal until the last minute.
    If you can’t seal the ballot boxes ask to weigh them with some digital scales, ask were they will be stored or transported to for counting and follow them.
    If they want to count them on the next day, not immediately after the vote, monitor the building were these boxes are kept, make sure you have a good camera and watch everyone who moves in and out, front and back during the night.
    There is no law against asking them as to what they are doing/their role is in the count/election, but ensure you do not impede or obstruct anyone’s way or free movement, reasons they might employ to move you away from the strage/office. If they are public employees they should give you some sort of answer.
    If you encounter a storage unit akin to a hive of bees, with people everywhere when there is no need, record time and film/snap them. Storage is just that, after the initial arrival and unloading there is no need for anybody but security to be present.
    Should counters be allowed?, because it will not look good if they get too hot under the collar. Asthis has nothing to do with political parties one could dispense with counters.

    Finally, only an idea, how long would it take to crowdfund money for a ‘people’s poll’ what would it cost? Can we all initiate it, get the ball rolling? for, lets say, next Wednesday?
    Moreover, who has ever done such a thing?

  54. Republicofscotland

    5 Sep, 2014 - 4:07 pm

    Yesterday on PMQ’s in the House of Commons,the SNP’s Angus Neil asked David Cameron why he ran away from STV’s invitation to debate, with a public cross-examination included in the debate.

    David Cameron said live in the House of Commons that STV had ran away from him and that he would have taken up the offer.

    however STV say David Cameron is lying, no surprise there then.
    ——————
    Claims by David Cameron that Scottish broadcaster STV had “run away” from his offer to appear in a referendum TV programme, have been called into question after details of communications were released by the broadcaster.

    Tonight STV has hit back after Mr Cameron claimed the it had rejected his offer to face floating voters in a question and answer type referendum special.

    The row follows an interview conducted by STV Political Editor Bernard Ponsonby at the start of the year after Mr Cameron brought his cabinet up to the North East of Scotland in a referendum campaign visit. Asked by the STV man if he would agree to appear in a programme along with floating voters, Mr Cameron said yes, adding that he would be “delighted”.
    ————————-
    http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-news/9688-camerons-stv-accusation-called-into-question-as-broadcaster-reveals-downing-st-vetoed-cross-examination

    What a spineless lying toad you are Cameron.

  55. The brilliant and brave journalist, Felicity Arbuthnot, wrote this about Libya in October 2011.

    The New Libya: Assassination, Ruination, Broken Promises and Body Snatching…
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-new-libya-assassination-ruination-broken-promises-and-body-snatching/27323

  56. “There was a period of a week or more during Doune the Rabbit Hole when there were no moderators available. I just did a search on “Holocaust” in comments and nothing from the commenter you mention came out. I haven’t time to read thousands of comments, but if anyone wishes to pinpoint for me any holocaust denying comments they will get deleted.”

    Oh dear, didn’t you know your blog was being used to propagate Neo Nazi propaganda while you were away?

    This post onwards.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/08/at-doune/comment-page-2/#comment-474508

  57. Republicofscotland

    5 Sep, 2014 - 4:14 pm

    The brilliant and brave journalist, Felicity Arbuthnot, wrote this about Libya in October 2011.

    The New Libya: Assassination, Ruination, Broken Promises and Body Snatching…
    ——————–
    Good post Mary a very touching and sombre look, at the state of Libya, after the west destroyed it, under the guise of freedom and democracy.

  58. Well done, Fred. That was quick.

    I was about to tell Craig that there are extensive holocaust comments from RoS on this page

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/08/st-andrews-speech/

  59. and Patrick O’Connor on the same subject.
    The destruction of Sirte

    The Libyan city of Sirte is being systematically destroyed by National Transitional Council “rebel” fighters and NATO fighter planes. The operation stands as a monumental war crime, for which primary responsibility rests with the leading forces behind the military intervention in Libya—US President Barack Obama, British Prime Minister David Cameron, and French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

    19 October 2011
    http://www.silviacattori.net/spip.php?article2225

    Today the same Smoothieface Cameron stands in the Hollywood set known as Celtic Manor, complete with *cardboard fighter jets, telling us of his plans for some more war, war.

    Nato summit: David Cameron pledges troops to ‘multinational’ force
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29074408

    PS If only these pea brained but dangerous politicians were dummies too.

    Nato summit: where tanks and fighter planes are par for the course
    Military hardware on display at Newport golf resort hosting summit is intended to showcase UK defence capacity
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/04/tanks-fighter-planes-par-course-nato-summit

  60. This plebiscite on Scottish independence might be the most important contingency affecting the right to peace. NATO’s threats and mobilizations aren’t nearly as important. The NATO Pact can do nothing about Ukraine except strut behind high fences safe in Wales. ISIS will slowly bleed the US white.

    But the dismemberment of the USA’s most slavish NATO satellite would a temblor. Even on bread-and-butter grounds, the guns-and-butter context is inescapable.

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/09/02/warning-world-washington-nato-eu-vassals-insane-paul-craig-roberts-2/

    As a victim of Lockerbie and the nation that stood up for justice for the bombing there, Scotland could balance NATO’s great-power confrontation with rule of law against aggression, sexual predation, and torture; with rights, not just the political and civil rights that Britain set aside in fear of terror but the economic, social and cultural rights that Britain once stood for and the Scottish people still respect; and with the pacific dispute resolution of small humanist states.

    It’s about time Scotland gave us all another enlightenment.

  61. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Sep, 2014 - 5:21 pm

    Craig

    “The main thing that makes me comfortable is that it was given at the Frontline Club by a speaker to an audience which contained many who had been there, and nobody questioned it.”
    ___________________

    I find that rather thin as evidence especially when the figure is being used in connection with a point about an independent Scotland and NATO membership. Not disputing he (or she) said it, but I should have thought that it would be difficult for a journalist (or journalists) to establish a reasonably accurate estimate in what were difficult and dangerous, if not chaotic, circumstances. By way if illustration (although it’s not a perfect one), estimates of numbers attending demonstrations or similar can also vary very considerably.

    I’ll leave it at that.

  62. If the Yes campaign has often attracted crowds of over 300 in size and the No campaign has failed to do so, that is a telling fact – if the reason is not that No voters are content to stay at home and vote No. Come the 18th, we’ll find out. If Scotland votes Yes, I hope the it will do good to everyone in the UK at present in the long term – and if not, likewise.

  63. H

    Well I am very confident it was thousands, and very very confident it was criminally under-reported because the MSM were yet again in full on propaganda mode. I frankly don’t think few thousand either way makes a significant difference. You are entitled to differ on that.

  64. The Playing Fields of Hillsborough

    5 Sep, 2014 - 5:38 pm

    Look at these simpering weasels struggling to ignore uncertainty, adding nothing, jack shit, to the question, just asking and asking and asking with all the passive-aggressive fixation of the tug who gets his head flushed twice a week. Because in their second-class minds, if it’s 16,000 or 14,000, that means you have to vote no, or something. This is precisely the sort of mediocrity that British education extrudes.

  65. Al Milliner his names makes me think of the legendary Alfred Milner of Cecil Rhodes et al fame. In any event whenever he disputes 15,000 he does nonetheless raise a much unreported fact that thousands have died in Libya. He rather shoots himself in the foot there.

  66. Inconvenient truths being consigned to the memory hole, as we speak?

  67. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Sep, 2014 - 5:51 pm

    Another much unreported – and by now certainly almost forgotten fact – is that the late unlamented “Colonel” Khaddafi was a big supporter and bankroller of “Field Marshal” Idi Amin, himself responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of his fellow Ugandans.

  68. Craig @ 5.35 I would have thought a four letter word followed by ‘off’ would have been more appropriate than humouring your correspondent.

  69. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Sep, 2014 - 5:55 pm

    I am given to understand that “Colonel” Khaddafi also supported the IRA (no cheering in the back there!) with money and matériel, thus ensuring that a good many died unncessarily. Semtex and the mainland bombings come to mind.

    It would have been fitting if the object stuck up the arse of the dying Khaddafi had been a stick of dynamite (touch paper unlit).

  70. Yes, the problem being, of course, that the children bombed to death in Sirte had never heard of the IRA or Idi Amin.

  71. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Sep, 2014 - 6:00 pm

    Mary cooes

    “Craig @ 5.35 I would have thought a four letter word followed by ‘off’ would have been more appropriate than humouring your correspondent.”
    _________________-

    Did you mean “fuck”, Mary?

    OK then – fuck off, Mary.

    ********************

    Another example of you thinking this is your blog, I feel. It isn’t. Like me, you are but a commenter on here (or, in your case, a cut-and-paster)

  72. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Sep, 2014 - 6:03 pm

    “Yes, the problem being, of course, that the children bombed to death in Sirte had never heard of the IRA or Idi Amin.”
    ____________________

    And the children blown to pieces in Omagh and hacked or beaten to death in Uganda had probably not heard of “Colonel” Khaddafi either.

  73. Al Milliner

    5 Sep, 2014 - 6:21 pm

    Enough! I’ll have none of this. Gaddafy was a damn good sport when Alan Feraday and Tom Hayes framed him for Lockerbie. He settled the case that would have disgraced us all and he gave the victims some money as though he did it. Good thing, too, if he hadn’t done, CIA would have toppled our government like some pathetic little banana republic.

  74. nevermind, Scotland will be free

    5 Sep, 2014 - 6:27 pm

    Anything to confuse and divert from the subject of the vote, whether its 15.000 dead NATO civilian victims in Sirte, or the curious writings of David Irving, the price of a pint of milk… anything will do to divert from the thread and the most important vote in Scotlands history.

    Now to the mechanics of the vote.Do we know
    How many polls between here and the weekend?
    why are there so few when the vote is so important?
    when is the count? after the vote or the next day?

  75. Here we go again. Pooootin/khaddafi……heroes of the Left. What these maroons refuse to get is that they aren’t the issue, any more than that 18 year-old black boy from Ferguson is the issue.

    It’s beside the point, (as if they don’t know the point) if he was a cigar-thief. Overriding issues escape them like monkeys released from their cage. But it’s so convenient to shoot bystanders who happen to be lurking nearby.

  76. Now tell us how bad Assad is. You won’t tell us anything new. But that’s just window-dressing for what you’re really about.

  77. Ever the gentleman. Shows what a lower rank independent day school and an Oxford college does for one.

  78. It’s a still warmish late Summer evening and the Canada geese are flying in skeins overhead honking to each other. Magic.

  79. If independence is achieved

    But it won’t be.

    If Scotland splits from the UK it will be even more subordinate to the EU than is the UK and they will have no choice but to become part of NATO, which will expect them to be among the first to volunteer troops for service in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, or alongside NATO’s current best friends, the Nazis of Kiev.

    Scots seeking independence should vote UKIP, then at least they’d be independent of the undemocratic European Union. After that, they could promote devolution for all parts of the UK and a UK exit from Nazi-Nato.

  80. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Sep, 2014 - 7:01 pm

    California Haze

    “Here we go again. Pooootin/khaddafi…”
    _________________

    I’ve noticed that you often write “Pooootin” – presumably in order to take the piss out of the American pronunciation of that name.

    Tell us, O Great Seer and Polymath – how should it be pronounced?

  81. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Sep, 2014 - 7:04 pm

    CanSpeccy

    “…the Nazis of Kiev.”
    ________________

    To judge by your disregard for truth, CanSpeccy (and from your racist views), you are much more of a Nazi than anyone in govt in Kiev.

  82. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Sep, 2014 - 7:10 pm

    Mary

    “It’s a still warmish late Summer evening and the Canada geese are flying in skeins overhead honking to each other. Magic.”
    ______________

    Alternatively:

    “It’s a still warmish late Summer evening and the Eminences’ comments are skidding through the blogosphere around us screeching and venting to each other. Nightmare”

    +++++++++++++++++++++

    These Mary’s human face posts fool no one. You are the Hilde Benjamin of this blog.

  83. Republicofscotland

    5 Sep, 2014 - 7:12 pm

    To judge by your disregard for truth, CanSpeccy (and from your racist views), you are much more of a Nazi than anyone in govt in Kiev.
    ———————
    Anyone who doesn’t bow to your pathetic ideology is a Nazi, a propagandist like you must see Nazi’s in your sleep. Oooh! look there goes another Nazi, Oh! please give me a break.

  84. Republicofscotland

    5 Sep, 2014 - 7:17 pm

    There you go Craig, you’ve made it into the big time, Chris Spivey used YOU as a source regarding the Israeli’s trying to steal Syrian oil. Whilst you’re checking that out check James Foley’s mum out too she’s already appeared in the Sandyhook incident and the Boston Bombing, it would appear she’s as fake as some of your posters in here.

    http://chrisspivey.org/heads-tales/

  85. Both the At Doune and the St Andrews speech pages return 404 errors, since around 5:30pm. I would like to bring this to the attention of the webmaster.

  86. you are much more of a Nazi than anyone in govt in Kiev.

    Sheesh, the Anglo-Zionist imperialist propaganda is as deep and as shitty here as just about anywhere on the Web.

    You thinkJulia Tymoshenko, calling for the genocide of Ukraine’s six million ethnic Russians is less Nazi than I, who have repeatedly been condemned as a racist by twats like you for opposing the genocide of the European peoples through a combination of mass immigration and propaganda to suppress the fertility of the indigenous population.

  87. Ha! Missed Republic of Scotland’s rejoinder to Habbybackarupt. Thanks for the sensible comment.

  88. Republicofscotland

    5 Sep, 2014 - 7:24 pm

    Ever the gentleman. Shows what a lower rank independent day school and an Oxford college does for one.
    ———————–
    Mary I get the distinct feeling HABB is a misogynist, due to his b*ggering days at bording school, a trait way to commonly associated with the self obsessed and morally defunct Oxbridge classes.

  89. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    5 Sep, 2014 - 7:31 pm

    The problem with previous SNP electoral campaigns has historically been that they peaked two weeks too soon. If the parallel is valid, now is the point from which the most strenuous effort is required, and the ability to see past your own propaganda without succumbing to that of the other lot.

    There is an additional complication:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nigel-farage-and-rupert-murdoch-britains-biggest-eurosceptic-and-its-most-powerful-media-mogul-have-private-meeting-9715073.html

    Like Blair, the bonobo Farage doesn’t do irony. Hear what the rabid little-Englander saith:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/scottish-independence-nigel-farage-accuses-alex-salmond-of-stirring-up-excessive-nationalism-9711666.html

    Expect some pretty dirty tricks from Murdoch, and Farage trying to get his revenge for being ejected from Scotland earlier in the process. Although Scottish independence could only benefit Farage if he thought about it; with only a Labour rump for opposition, the English political climate (warning – mixed metaphor) would inevitably swing sharply to the Right.

    Incidentally, Farage’s visit to NYC coincided with that of a charter aircraft of some previous interest – now on the way home. Is he doing a Blair?

  90. Both the At Doune and the St Andrews speech pages which had returned 404 “Not Found” errors, since around 5:30pm, are now no longer listed at the bottom of the main page, under Recent Posts.

  91. Republicofscotland

    5 Sep, 2014 - 7:49 pm

    Whistleblower exposing Blair’s sham marriage had Police pay a social call to remove all his papers
    latest whistle blower to have to flee his home this morning is Christopher Cooper.
    ——————
    Chris who with his “chris cooper investigates” radio show played taped phone calls from Tony Blair’s private line on radio, and claimed that Tony and Cherie’s marriage was a sham,
    he also played tapes from Netanyahu’s phone which showed the man to be a psycho.
    ——————-
    Chris wife admitted police to their home this morning where they took away computers discs and notebooks.
    ——————-
    http://the-tap.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/whistleblower-exposing-blairs-sham.html

    Chris has confirmed what we already knew, Netanyahu is two sandwiches short of a picnic.

  92. Al Milliner

    5 Sep, 2014 - 7:53 pm

    Craig, it’s interesting that you are on hand to delete virtually every one of my posts critical of your fanciful ideas, but so far have not found the time to delete any of the posts by the weirdo pretending to be me.

  93. Republicofscotland

    5 Sep, 2014 - 8:06 pm

    STEVEN SOTLOFF AND ISRAEL

    A Short comment by Gilad Atzmon

    Ynet reports this morning on “the operation to hide Steven Sotloff’s Jewish and Israeli background online.”

    The articles tells a story of a “worldwide network of friends included over 150 members, speaking 20 different languages, who scanned every post Steven has made on Facebook or Twitter and removed any mentions of his Israeli or Jewish connections.” I can only think of one Jewish organization that could facilitate such an grand scale operation and it isn’t JVP.

    We also learned yesterday that Sotloff spent 3 years at the Interdisciplinary Center in Herzliya. An institute that is linked to the Mossad according to some media sources.

    Israeli press comes short of linking Sotloff to the Mossad but it produces the necessary evidence that would make such a suggestion into a valid option.
    ———————–
    Still think he was beheaded?

    http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/steven-sotloff-and-israel.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitterhttp://tinyurl.com/l7dtxoc

  94. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Sep, 2014 - 8:12 pm

    Republicofperspiringdreams

    “Oh! please give me a break”
    _________________

    If you need a break that badly, RiS, try Habbabreak; you won’t get one from me.

  95. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Sep, 2014 - 8:15 pm

    CanSpeccy

    “You thinkJulia Tymoshenko, calling for the genocide of Ukraine’s six million ethnic Russians is less Nazi than I,…”
    ________________-

    Is she a member of the govt in Kiev, CanSpeccy?

    You must learn to read posts carefully: I wrote ” To judge by your disregard for truth, CanSpeccy (and from your racist views), you are much more of a Nazi than anyone in govt in Kiev.”

    Dunce!

  96. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Sep, 2014 - 8:19 pm

    Republicofscotland

    Were you dreaming of buggery when you wrote this?

    “Mary {SIC – missing comma}I get the distinct feeling HABB is a misogynist, due to his b*ggering days at bording {SIC} school, a trait way to {SIC }commonly associated with the self obsessed and morally defunct { SIC} Oxbridge classes.”

  97. In the case of the At Doune post, four pages, over 755 comments have been removed, excised, on the say so of Kempe and Fred. The St Andrews speech post, two pages, at last count had 394 comments, in addition to Craig’s original blog post. All gone?

  98. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    5 Sep, 2014 - 8:32 pm

    Tony M

    “In the case of the At Doune post, four pages, over 755 comments have been removed, excised, on the say so of Kempe and Fred.”
    ________________

    May I point out in all modesty (as always!) that I was probably the first poster to point to the Holocaust-denying nature of several comments by “Republicofscotland”?

    The reason is simple – nothing escapes Habbabkuk’s vigilant eye!

    *****************

    Habbabkuk for decency and sanity of CM’s blog.

  99. Al Milliner

    5 Sep, 2014 - 8:43 pm

    3 posts deleted since Craig finally decided to reply to my question. Can he not just provide evidence for his 15,000 claim and save himself the hassle?

  100. Republicofscotland

    5 Sep, 2014 - 8:54 pm

    May I point out in all modesty
    —————-
    Habbabkuk for decency and sanity
    ————–

    The above three traits, even if you lived to be a hundred years old, Habb, you’ll never come close to any of them.

  101. Holy shit! Doune the rabbit hole, is a metaphor until the purity squad hammers everything into oblivion.

    Ah the expediency of political correctness leads us all into civilization.

  102. http://www.itv.com/itvplayer/coronation-street

    “Will Tyrone discover the truth? Carla begins to doubt Peter’s guilt. Max’s behaviour is diagnosed.”

    With the football season underway, it looks like being a great year for the Rovers, new signings, new coach and a refurbished stand and a new tea urn, put them in the front rank.
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  103. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    5 Sep, 2014 - 9:16 pm

    Christ…Farage has been talking to Rand Paul. Ben, what can this portend?

    http://lincolnreport.com/archives/116696

  104. Rand Paul is, imo a trojan horse without a condom, Ba’al. Conservatives are running away from the moniker, so many are subscribing to ‘libertarian’. But if you feel it’s important to have a healthy and pot-hole free highway system, or some kind of public assistance for starving folks, I would opt out.

    Not that libertarianism is all bad; no more than anarchism. Left-leaning libertarianism is like Scots Independence with some form of decentralized gubmint. It’ll never happen though. It makes too much sense.

  105. Al Millininer

    5 Sep, 2014 - 9:25 pm

    And what is even more galling, everyone seems to think the wretched impostor is me, because of his scurvy trick of hewing quite closely to my continual whinging and demented amour-propre and comical affectations, without ever putting across my devotion to Her Majesty and the playing fields of Eton, where I never went but I know the boating song, Lovely Boating Weather/And a hay harvest breeeeze… You bounder! Sirte was our finest hour.

  106. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    5 Sep, 2014 - 9:29 pm

    How many email accounts have you. Al M? Can you even remember the passwords?

    Comical, I grant you. But stoopid.

  107. ‘Cupar’ in its entirety is still available.

    St Andrew’s is there as a cached version minus page 2 of the comments.
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:IDqf4gLqIW8J:www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/08/st-andrews-speech/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

    Comments throughout by those that should be extinguished are not deleted.

  108. ” Sirte was our finest hour.”

    your command over language excretions and linguistic counter-measures indicates an educated nothingness. Knowledge should inform progress, not devolution as in an ‘Idiocracy’.

  109. O/T There are nearly 200,000 signatures on the petition to Cameron from a woman who claims that DWP sanctions resulting in benefit cuts killed her ex soldier brother.

    http://www.change.org/p/david-cameron-hold-an-inquiry-into-benefit-sanctions-that-killed-my-brother

    Here she is speaking on Radio 5 Live
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0253y4y

    As I have got older, the sound of another person’s distress, weeping or sobbing, or to hear their voices breaking upsets me more and more. Poor woman.

  110. Don’t go there Mary, I implore you, the troll-pack will resurrect nodding-dog ‘Giles’ who wanted to shop a neighbour he said was claiming benefits to the DWP for digging on an allotment.

    Instead there are more important matters: True Movies, are are they based on real life events or not. It stands to reason being called ‘True’ Movies they must be.

    Does anyone have a favourite colour. I used to like pastel shades.

  111. @Mary

    Don’t you think Craig deleted those posts for a reason?

    Not just that they were probably illegal and could get him arrested if he knowingly left them but also if someone were to inform the press, possibly a Guardian reporter with a grudge, it could well end his political career.

    Do you think it was wise to post a link to the offending posts back to the blog?

  112. Sorry for deletion of whole threads, I don’t have time to go through and delete the obnoxious comments individually.

    Fred, I have always stated we will not tolerate holocaust denial. The question arises every year or so. This blog is full of stuff that could get me arrested under the official secrets act or ludicrous recent anti civil liberties legislation. I am motivated by my personal beliefs, not fear of the authorities. One of those beliefs are freedom of speech and I allow all kinds of stuff in people’s comments. But there are some limits, which are purely my own.

  113. Craig, FFS delete the troll. It doesn’t matter whether it was 3, 5, 18 or 164,000, what matters is that your heart is in the right place. Just keep it up till the 18th and don’t let the bastards grind you down!

  114. ” which are purely my own.”

    I’ve no doubt about that Craig. An important element of the law is ‘intent’. Therefore, when you were apprised of the apparent violation, you had to act.

    I question the informants.

  115. “And, on the whole, they are considerably less polite about it than A Milliner.”

    My suspicion here Craig is Habbabkuk! :) somebody who has already been banned from the blog.

  116. You can put my name to that proposition.

    I think we also require a right of recall of any Elected member who does not represent all their constituents or whose performance is questioned by a number of their constituents.

  117. What’s more Craig, though I don’t know the legal implications, is if you block delete without copying the identicons you might never find out.

  118. “Fred, I have always stated we will not tolerate holocaust denial. The question arises every year or so. This blog is full of stuff that could get me arrested under the official secrets act or ludicrous recent anti civil liberties legislation. I am motivated by my personal beliefs, not fear of the authorities. One of those beliefs are freedom of speech and I allow all kinds of stuff in people’s comments. But there are some limits, which are purely my own.”

    Either way the Holocaust denial is now back on the blog.

  119. “Either way the Holocaust denial is now back on the blog.”

    WTF would make you happy?

  120. As far as I know, in the UK it is not actually illegal. David Irving got taken to the cleaners when he tried to sue someone else using the UK’s generally strict libel regime. I don’t think that anything he said was actually illegal, it’s just that he didn’t like being made fun of. If Craig does not want any of this stuff on his blog, then it’s “his gaff,his rules”.

  121. “As far as I know, in the UK it is not actually illegal.”

    No it isn’t, incitement to racial or religious hatred is though.

    Both here and in Holland.

  122. In my thirties i went to an interview for Sub-Rosa investigator and the interviewer asked me…

    “What’s your strongest quality”

    “Persistance”

    “What’s your weakest?”

    “Persistance”

    I didn’t get the job.

  123. Resident Dissident

    5 Sep, 2014 - 11:09 pm

    “If Craig does not want any of this stuff on his blog, then it’s “his gaff,his rules”.

    Agreed – freedom of speech applies to publishers as well – if people don’t like what Craig decides to publish then they are free to publish what they want, or even cut and paste links to what they want, on their own blogs.

    Mr Goss is of course keen on banning people from someone else’s blog (no one to ban from his own I’m afraid) and Mary of course wants to go a step further and “extinguish” certain commenters – I wonder who they have in mind!

  124. Perhaps Craig should remove Juan Cole from the blogroll. We cain’t have no viruses contaminating us.

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/

  125. Resident Dissident

    5 Sep, 2014 - 11:12 pm

    “What’s your weakest?”

    You missed out your spelling.

  126. There is a function for trolls. Giving them posting privileges in exchange for performance on their only genuine contribution; grammar and punctuation, would give them meaning and purpose to their otherwise stodgy and lonely lives.

  127. “WTF would make you happy?”

    Try some multitasking as I suggested and learn something.

    Here, I’ll help you.

    A demagogue /ˈdɛməɡɒɡ/ (from French “demagogue”, derived in turn from the Greek “demos” = people/folk and the verb “ago” = carry/manipulate thus “people’s manipulator”) or rabble-rouser is a political leader in a democracy who appeals to the emotions, fears, prejudices, and ignorance of the lower classes in order to gain power and promote political motives.

    There you go Ben, that is what I speak against, people who manipulate people’s base instincts in order to manipulate them.

    You suit yourself which side you are on, be on the side of the racist and the supremacist if you want to be. I chose my side and I’ll oppose you if you do.

  128. “You suit yourself which side you are on, be on the side of the racist and the supremacist”

    I think you’ve gone barmy. I haven’t chosen any sides and I don’t like being judged without a jury. Maybe some people aren’t even aware of their bigotry. Maybe they are learning; don’t know it all yet. Have you considered?

  129. Had it never occurred that the methods used to uphold the received and mostly preposterous narratives, to prevent universally trustworthy, methodical, calm reasoned inquiry -if that is possible, which I think could be possible, to lay this matter to rest, in order to prevent a repetition of something similar against any people, seems almost calculated to lead to exactly that happening again to some people somewhere, if not the same group again. Infact the very same voices suppressing such even informal inquiry as some internet banter skirting the subject, are foremost in championing and excusing analogous events happening around the world since, ceaselessly calling for more death and destruction, perpetrated by today’s genicidal elite’s willing puppets, with their cheerleaders’ grovelling acquiescence. You can’t make such claims to the moral high ground whilst wallowing like a pig in the muck cheering on today’s mass-murderers’ and warmongers’ despicable works. Hypocrites and parasites.

    Get back to your game shows, sport, soap operas and celebrity bilge.

    There’s nothing to see, anywhere.

  130. Craig long time lurker but fist time poster. Your article was excellent and just how you and Stuart Campbell can put up with the constant abuse is beyond me.

    The fact that you have the skin of rhinoceros is a different matter. I watched your video the other day. Wife was mightily impressed. You just keep on doing what you are doing, oh and Mr Millener will be getting a wake up call some time soon.

    Probably on the 18th September.

  131. Getting really rattled now. Tomorrow’s papers.

    Union camp in push to halt Yes charge. FT

    Cameron warns on ‘dangerous’ Yes vote
    No campaign push to deliver greater devolution if Scots stay in union FT

    NATO casts doubt over Scottish membership The Scotsman

  132. Why shouldn’t Khaddafi have supported the IRA after the way MI6 tried to engineer his assassination?

  133. NATO casts doubt over Scottish membership The Scotsman

    So Scottish independence would be real independence.

  134. “I think you’ve gone barmy. I haven’t chosen any sides and I don’t like being judged without a jury. Maybe some people aren’t even aware of their bigotry. Maybe they are learning; don’t know it all yet. Have you considered?”

    Well you learn fast Ben. Fact is that half the population of this country and yours are below average intelligence and there are bad people all too eager to exploit them.

    Where do you stand Ben? One of the lower half or one of the bad people?

  135. So, Habbupchuck, at least we agree that Julia Tymoshenko, twice Ukraine Premier, and good friend of the EU and NATO, is a genocidal maniac, whereas what you call my racism and Nazism consists in opposing the genocide of the European peoples through mass immigration and propaganda to suppress the fertility of the indigenous population.

  136. “NATO casts doubt over Scottish membership The Scotsman”

    Don’t kid yourself. The imperial goal is to break up the large nation states then incorporate the pieces into the supranational organizations. In Scotland’s case the EU and NATO. But first the UK has to be broken up, so naturally the pretense that Scotland will be free to do as it pleases. In fact, the Scotch leadership will be bought, blackmailed, couped or otherwise manipulated to betray the people in the interests of the Anglo-Zionist empire that Habbybuckerchip so inanely defends.

  137. CanSpeccy

    “The imperialgoal is to break up the large nation states”

    Just to be pedantic, the UK is not a nation state but a union of two nations, Scotland and England. Scotland has long had the desire to be independent since the Act of Union which only happened because of a treacherous sell-out by bankrupt Scottish aristocrats. I don’t see how that all ties in with your theory.
    .

  138. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    6 Sep, 2014 - 2:48 am

    Just noticed:

    When we close down BBC Scotland and create a new citizen based, cheaper and more arts-oriented organisation in its place…

    Bugger the culture. The scientific and technological ignorance of the mechanically reclaimed arts grads already grossly overrepresented in the media is just about absolute. If the Scottish phoenix is to rise from the ashes of the UK it needs to do serious engineering and science, not theatre reviews. And trumpet the fact.

    And you can exile the staff of the Oban Times to the Muckle Flugga gulag, too…

  139. “the UK is not a nation state but a union of two nations”

    So those who promote a narrow nationalism may think. But in reality, the people of the British Isles are ethnically relatively homogeneous, mainly celtic, with an admixture of viking — up to 20% in some areas, plus two or three percent anglo-saxon, a taint of Roman, mostly middle-eastern slaves, plus the great post 1950 influx from throughout the world. Moreover, the people of the British Isles form a relatively self-contained breeding population, with few of the indigenous inhabitants of England, for example, being without a Scotch, Welsh or Irish connection and in many cases, all three.

    So on what basis do you claim the existence of a Scotch nation — culture? LOL. Language?

    Do tell us, what it is you imagine you are preserving by closing the fine high road to London that has been traveled by so many Scots since the Union. In what way will Scotland be different, apart from fairer, apparently (are Scots so much more decent than the English, or what?), and richer, apparently, despite the loss of the English subsidy.

    Please understand, I agree that Britain as it is ruled today, stinks. But Scotland, with its own government is ruled in very much the same way. So how is independence going to change things? And if things can be changed for the better in Scotland, why not as easily in the United Kingdom.

    It seems to me the nationalists view the referendum fight rather as they might view a rugby match. Its the Scots against England. The stakes insignificant. It’s just an exercise in the venting of emotion.

  140. But although the contest is simply an emotional outlet for the mostly ill-informed, it will not be without practical consequences. It will result in a loss, not a gain in Scottish independence. Instead of a powerful voice in Britain’s central government, an independent Scotland will have a very small voice, like that of Czechia or Belgium, in the affairs of the EU by which it will be dominated.

  141. Habbabkuk,

    Well in a previous thread you requested i reveal my bona-fides,my provenance and my job to you.

    Well Habba i’m more than pleased and perfectly happy to reveal the sum total of fuck all to a troll such as you.

    Did you actually believe i revealed that to you;with my name as Jonathan all those months ago and my real address and details you dumbkopf?

    I wouldn’t give your sockpuppet sort the time of day Habba,you eejit.

    You remain,as ever,a faux-vexed diversionary scurrilous ersatz-notarian Habba.

    How small,how so easily bought you are.

    I refer you back to your line manager.

  142. Watch as 1000 years of European borders change timelapse map. Fascinating. Imagine all the wars and amount of bloodshed behind these changes in borders.

    http://www.viralforest.com/watch-1000-years-european-borders-change/

  143. BrianFujisanWabi-sabi

    6 Sep, 2014 - 6:59 am

  144. BrianFujisanWabi-sabi

    6 Sep, 2014 - 7:33 am

  145. Craig @ 9:56 well said – keep shining the torch – sun light is the best disinfectant.

  146. Mary, thanks for that viral forest link of 1000 years of history; it is brilliant and I will watch it again and again.

    As a child I had the illusion that language countries and borders were more or less fixed! Perhaps someone could make audio tapes of languages changing over one thousand years; would be fascinating to listen to – though of course somewhat difficult to authenticate.

  147. Tesco 24 Hrs

    6 Sep, 2014 - 8:18 am

    This is a staff announcement. Spillage on aisle three at 3:28am. Could Jonathan get a mop and bucket and clean it up please. Thank you.

  148. Looking to see what else is out there on borders found this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtLxZiiuaXs

    The part on Baarle Nasau is funny.

    Not sure if helps or hinders the yes campaign. In part it shows how creative humans can be at solving border issues, but also how stubborn and silly we are.

  149. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Sep, 2014 - 9:02 am

    Ben (California Haze) re Holocaust denial posts:

    ” which are purely my own.”

    I’ve no doubt about that Craig. An important element of the law is ‘intent’. Therefore, when you were apprised of the apparent violation, you had to act.

    I question the informants.”

    _______________________

    Why do you question the informants?

    Since Craig has been too busy to read all the comments himself, and given that he has said he will not tolerate Holocaust denial comments, I should have thought that the “informants” have performed a useful service for him.

    You use of the word “informants” and the general tone of your post (as well as of previous ones from you at the time of those Holocaust denying comments), inevitably leads to the suspicion that you approve of such comments.

    Care to clarify your position on Holocaust denying comments, Ben?

  150. Note the strap line. National police force here we come. St Theresa’s dream come true. PCCs all ready and waiting to comply. Next step full metal jacket police state.

    Police Chief Warns Cuts Raise Risk Of Terror

    The Home Secretary will be called upon to merge police forces and put more bobbies back on the beat to counter terror plots.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1331138/police-chief-warns-cuts-raise-risk-of-terror

  151. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Sep, 2014 - 9:11 am

    CanSpeccy

    “So, Habbupchuck, at least we agree that Julia Tymoshenko, twice Ukraine Premier, and good friend of the EU and NATO, is a genocidal maniac, whereas what you call my racism and Nazism consists in opposing the genocide of the European peoples through mass immigration and propaganda to suppress the fertility of the indigenous population.”
    _______________

    Well actually no – I don’t agree with any of the above. Tewwibly sorry, old bean.

    Timoshenko is a very corrupt politician/oligarch but neither genocidal not a maniac.

    And the European peoples are not undergoing mass (or any other) genocide either.

    Your talk of “suppressing the fertility of the indigenous population” puts you in the General Jack D Ripper category, I’m afraid, CanSpeccy.

    So just fuck off, there’s a good egg!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I suppose that, as usual, I shall be the only commenter to raise his/her voice against this sort of filth….

  152. Resident Dissident

    6 Sep, 2014 - 9:13 am

    Mary

    A genuine thank you for the viral history link – it does of course demonstrate how those who depend on nationalism for their political viewpoint (e.g Canspeccy and now Craig) have really built their houses on quicksand. Fool’s point about languages would reinforce that e.g. although France looks to be a relatively constant entity on the map I think I read in Graham Robb’s book that there was no such thing as a single recognisable French language until about 100 years ago.

  153. Note the strap line. National police force here we come. St Theresa’s dream come true. PCCs all ready and waiting to comply. Next step full metal jacket police state.

    Police Chief Warns Cuts Raise Risk Of Terror
    The Home Secretary will be called upon to merge police forces and put more bobbies back on the beat to counter terror plots.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1331138/police-chief-warns-cuts-raise-risk-of-terror

    They are already being fully armed of course in some places. Tewwowwism you know as ZBC helpfully tell us and those unruly Scots!

    6 August 2014
    The British police on armed routine patrol
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28656324

    There is already a unified police force in Scotland.

    Scottish National Party arms police in preparation for rising social opposition
    4 September 2014
    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/09/04/poli-s04.html

    A retrograde step by the SNP in my opinion.

    Police Scotland was formally established on 1 April 2013 and is responsible for policing across the length and breadth of Scotland, some 28,168 square miles. Police Scotland is the second largest force in the UK after the Metropolitan Police.
    http://www.scotland.police.uk/about-us/

  154. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Sep, 2014 - 9:27 am

    Jives

    “Did you actually believe i revealed that to you;with my name as Jonathan all those months ago and my real address and details you dumbkopf?”
    ______________

    No, if course not – but since you called yourself Jonathan I’m happy to stay with that. Anything to make you happy and make you feel that you belong!

  155. Just saying

    6 Sep, 2014 - 9:31 am

    Focus , ladies (and gentleman), we are about to see a very heavy blow laid on the Beast. They are quite capable of doing a kelly on CM (with a hutton to keep everything under wraps for another 70 YEARS), we all have to be very vigilant leading to the 18th.

  156. Resident Dissident

    6 Sep, 2014 - 9:40 am

    I have mentioned this before but if you want to see probably the worst examples of racism within Europe the place to go is Moscow and the other major Russian cities and look at the treatment of those from the Caucauses and the former southern republics. Verbal and physical abuse of the “chorny” is common on the streets and is often joined in by the police and authorities. The immigrants are often driven out of their often appalling housing and provide a cheap and easily exploited workforces. The Government doesn’t even stand idly by – rounding up, deportations and beatings are commonplace – and in the typical fashion of Russian bureaucracy is used to make their lives a living hell.

    Putin actively supports this overt racism – which I suspect is the reason why he is such a hero to the likes of Canspeccy, while others such as John Goss turn their usual blind eye and throw the fascist soubriquet at the likes of Theresa May whose crimes against immigrants really pale into insignificance compared with the current Russian regime.

  157. RoS Thanks, Interesting one there on Sotloff’s provenance from Gilad.

    ~~

    IDF still going strong in Gaza and the ‘West Bank’ as the collection of Palestinian bantustans are referred to.

    Zionism in practice – Israel’s Daily Toll on Palestinian Life, Limb, Liberty and Property
    24 hours to 8am
    03 September 2014 [NB: So far, there is no PMG situation report dated 02 September 2014]

    5 attacks – 23 raids including home invasions – 1 beaten – 5 injured – 7 acts of agricultural/economic sabotage – 17 taken prisoner – 12 detained – 110 restrictions of movement

    Israel breaks ceasefire
    Israeli Navy hijacks Gaza fishing boat and captures crew
    Israeli Navy thrice opens fire on Palestinian fishing boats
    Gaza: Israeli Army opens fire on Khaza’a
    Israeli forces open fire in Qalqilya, wounding and hospitalising 2 workers
    Israeli Army occupies home in Palestinian refugee camp for use as military post
    Israeli troops beat up and hospitalise Palestinian villager
    Israeli soldiers terrorise 2 Palestinian youngsters aged 15 and 16
    Israeli Army raid: 15-year-old boy injured
    Night peace disruption and/or home invasions in 3 refugee camps and 5 towns and villages

  158. Just saying

    6 Sep, 2014 - 9:46 am

    From a strictly esoteric “dialectic” point of view, even a devil like bibi is made by the Source to serve as part of the obstacle course laid out for the seekers. It must be true, witness our resident devil habba’s classic comment (that elevated him to the Hall of Fame at this blog IMHO) wishfully thinking about the YES vote “the Yessers (having run out of steam?) have all turned into Yassers !” after seeing all the pro Palestinian posts over Gaza !

  159. You[r] use of the word “informants” and the general tone of your post (as well as of previous ones from you at the time of those Holocaust denying comments), inevitably leads to the suspicion that you approve of such comments.

    Care to clarify your position on Holocaust denying comments, Ben?

    Yes, please do. (When you and your buddy RoS come back online.)

  160. Link to the above. http://www.sapienspromise.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3247

    ~~~

    Also saw this clever piece of writing by Jeffery St Clair, the Counterpunch editor.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/05/israeli-tunnel-vision/

    How about? –

    ‘Mahmoud Abbas, the Marshal Petain of the Palestinian Authority, has helped the Israelis target Hamas leaders.’

    ‘In his Middle East diplomacy, John Kerry doesn’t shuttle so much as flutter, every tedious conversation monitored by Israeli intelligence to assure he doesn’t deviate from the script.’

    ‘With Netanyahu strutting like a blow-dry Pompey Maximus, the IDF feels compelled to assert its power every four or five years with fusillades of rockets and bloody ground incursions. The nation has become seduced with it’s own technological omnipotence: it’s sophisticated weaponry, it’s drones, it’s Iron Dome. Israel has now gone beyond blaming the victims. The goal now seems to be one of annihilation. First of Palestinian identity, then the Palestinians themselves.

    There is a bloody dialectic at work. The path that Israel has chosen, one of separation and isolation enforced by eruptions of extreme violence, will lead inexorably to its own ruin. As for the people of Gaza, the tenacity of their resistance, their unshakeable will to be free, is an affirmation of their humanity—and that is the most decisive rebuke of Israel’s revolting cruelties.’

    September 5-7, 2014 S
    tanding Up to the Behemoth
    Israeli Tunnel Vision
    by JEFFREY ST. CLAIR
    Is Gaza locked in a terminal enclosure or is Israel?

    Bravo!

  161. Just saying

    6 Sep, 2014 - 9:57 am

    RD (on a SoS mission to attack Putin) – “Theresa May whose crimes against immigrants really pale into insignificance compared with the current Russian regime.”

    Pray is this same poster who was chastising the Palestinian Authority in Gaza for executing 18 spies (for pointing out targets to the IDF) whilst bibi shelled OVER 2,300 Gazans (including 500 children) to death?!! These hasbaric hounds are simply unable to see the log in own their eyes.

  162. Resident Dissident

    6 Sep, 2014 - 10:09 am

    Just saying

    You will also find that I described what the IDF did in Gaza as an atrocity – I am not for the moment supporting what Theresa May has done.

  163. @Dreo, this debate over the holocaust/holohoax has been made insignificant now. We CURRENTLY (as we speak)have devils who are into GOD denial !!! Forget a few 20′ x 20′ gas chambers for the 6m dead. We have just seen some devils shoot down a plane with 300 people on board for their nefarious spin ends and EVEN want to keep the black box under wraps for 70 years now. A few mo9re examples, 911 where 110 stories turned into only 4 stories remaining at Ground Zero (3,000 humans murdered or USS Liberty (34 humans murdered) are other examples. But the GOD DENIERS in their impunity are accusing us readers of the Murdochs SUN for denying the Foley bloodless “beheading” Hollywood clip now, bwahahahahaha ! Sick !

  164. Was Hilde Benjamin Habbabkuk’s birth mother before he was adopted?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilde_Benjamin

  165. “Sick!”

    You’ll get no argument from me on that, ‘Just Saying’. [But I don't think any 'debate over holocaust/holohoax' is insignificant.]

    ———-

    I see Mary has had her buttons pushed over Hilde Benjamin. :)

    Somehow I don’t think Habbabkuk will be fazed by her latest …

    ———-

    Does anyone know where Clark is? His input is always interesting.

  166. Kate Adie, From our own correspondent, Radio 4, talking about Sharon being kept alive for 8 years in a vegetative coma, just said, without a hint of self-questioning that in Jewish Law it is forbidden to end anyone’s life.

    Well Kate, the Moses I read as a child ‘Thou Shalt Not Kill’, might have had something to say about 2000 citizens of Gaza recently dead. Peace be upon him and blessings and mercy from God.

  167. Disgusted from Tunbridge Wells alias Al Milliner

    do shut up and take a look at this:

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article171690.html

  168. “We have just seen some devils shoot down a plane with 300 people on board for their nefarious spin ends and EVEN want to keep the black box under wraps for 70 years now.”

    If anyone is actually interested in what is actually going on regarding MH17 the

    Dutch air investigators released a statement yesterday.

    The Dutch Safety Board will issue the preliminary report on the investigation into the crash of MH17 on Tuesday 9 September 2014. The preliminary report will be available at http://www.safetyboard.nl at 10:00 AM local time Amsterdam (08:00 hours UTC).

    The preliminary report will present factual information based on the sources available to the Dutch Safety Board. In the months to come further investigation is needed before the final report can be written. The Dutch Safety Board expects to publish the final report within a year after the crash.

    The address to go to on Tuesday morning is:

    http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/en

  169. You are an unpleasant piece of work Dreoilin. The more you say, the more you reveal of yourself.

  170. The main difference between you and me, Mary, is that I have a sense of humour.

  171. In truth, the Zionists missed out on Truth 1, Moses, Truth 2 Jesus and Truth 3 Muhammad, may Allah’s peace be upon all of them.

    Reactive violence, as opposed to legal redress/qisas/ en eye for an eye, is way out of the boundaries of Allah’s commands.

    Reactive violence is what USUKIS have fostered in Iraq by bombing the shit out of that country. The spectacle in Wales of Cameron condemning the Islamic State which he created, in that he took no action against Blair for his destruction of the Iraq State, and he himself destroyed the Libyan State and most of the Syrian State by devious manipulations of Zionist power, was only surpassed by the spectacle of Saudi Arabia its funders and paymasters condemning it.

    Don’t worry Dave, word-mincer, gnat-strainer, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells, Al Milliner, is out and about with his pooper-scooper. Saudi Arabia took pity on the Western world when the foaming mad bankers of Thatcher capitalism brought the world’s economy to its knees, thinking they might be allowed to get a Caliphah for their trillion dollars bail-outs.

    What do they get instead? USUKIS terrorists threatening to cross from Iraq into Saudi Arabia.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article185132.html

  172. ‘How cool is that?’ BBC journalists swoon at Obama’s feet at the Nato conference where they’re planning multiple wars.

    Posted by The Medialens Editors on September 6, 2014, 11:19 am

    https://twitter.com/KirstyWark/status/507907711405936640/photo/1

    https://twitter.com/rachelkennedy84/status/507971070461485057

    The second was tweeted by a BBC TV editor, and retweeted by Paul Royall, editor of BBC News at Six and News at Ten.

  173. Dreolin. LOL Really? You keep it well hidden under your cloak of waspishness.

    You will probably have the last word but I will not be responding. All very Irish. You could probably have an argument with yourself in the proverbial broom cupboard. Have a good day.

  174. Ladies, please, if Craig became a Muslim he could take you both as political wives. They asked a fakir lying on a bed of nails if he was alright? Yes he said wincing, I’m still better than a man who has 2 wives. If Craig is successful on the 18th we can all move to Scotland together and rain RPGs onto England together clad in wellies and hair flying in the drizzle. Good plan? Can we be friends now please?

  175. There is schizophrenia within the BBC. They produce this Rivers muck:

    BBC Min. of Truth rewrite: Joan Rivers was “criticised for suggesting Palestinians were to blame”
    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1409991714.html

    but then produce this sympathetic piece from Quentin Sommerville. Weep with little Sama left fatherless and with her Mummy still in hospital in Jerusalem, There is no house for them.

    Gaza ceasefire: Family left devastated by attack on UN school
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29093363

    During the Gaza conflict more than 2,100 people were killed in the seven weeks of fighting, and around 475,000 were displaced.

    The BBC’s Quentin Sommerville meets two young girls in Gaza whose family were victims of an attack on a UN school injuring their mother and killing their father.

    Read more
    Gaza crisis: Toll of operations in Gaza
    Gaza conflict: Israel and Palestinians agree long-term truce
    Gaza-Israel conflict: Is the fighting over?

  176. The address to go to on Tuesday morning is:

    http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/en

    Strange site.

    It seems to be keeping its address, and owners’ identity a secret. Only the address of its registrar is to be found. Why could that be?

  177. Guano, no disrespect and I hear what you are saying but it is nothing to do with you.

    I have had enough of her digs and siding with trolls.

  178. Was Hilde Benjamin Habbabkuk’s birth mother before he was adopted?

    Are you sure the said entity could have been born to a woman?

    His hive mentality can only point to some kind of a test tube farm, or a larvae factory birth process.

    Although little Hilde is one sexy fox, isn’t she? He hair do just like Tymoshenko and her face just like the back of the bus, and she radiates something, does she have any Irish in her?

    =======

    Guano why do you wish Craig any harm? He can be a Mormon with all the fringe benefits of enjoying the company of eighteen wives and no sign of scalpel in sight.

  179. No n sequitur

    6 Sep, 2014 - 1:50 pm

    Be careful of the City-of-London tories trying to squeeze independence into their “nationalism” frame. It’s a last-ditch effort to hang onto their Scottish colony. By warning us about nationalism – the same nationalism they obsessively enact for their own, British, construct – they hope to appeal to some imagined leftist sentiment. In fact, what’s at issue in independence is not nationalism but self-determination of peoples, as legally enshrined in the UN Charter and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Self-determination of peoples is what gives you the chance to restore rights and rule of law, and to constitute a state that fulfils its obligations to the people of Scotland. You’re not glorifying a nation, you’re dismembering a state that has failed its people.

  180. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    6 Sep, 2014 - 2:13 pm

    Thanks for the updates on Gaza, Mary. Though who needs any more proof that Netanyahu is a complacent, lying, duplicitous shit who is stirring the situation as hard as he can and has no intention of negotiating a permanent settlement?

    Meanwhile, another complacent, lying, duplicitous shit lost some important support this week – (paywall but gist is there):

    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/faith/article4198512.ece

    If no-one else has, Harvard School of Divinity has noticed that the Tony Blair Faith Foundation* exists to reflect the views of noted faith leaders Ayn Rand and Dick Cheney, and dropped its collaboration. Well done Harvard.

    *Mission statement – Uniting the World’s Faiths Except Islam to Bomb Iran, Syria And Anyone Else who Gets In Our Way

    The TBFF’s flatulent and discordant website is run by 12-year-old Peter, the son of Archbishop Justin Welby, It betrays no more understanding of the Middle East than Blair exhibited in 2001. Damned if I link to it, google it if you must

  181. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Sep, 2014 - 2:19 pm

    Dreoilin

    “The main difference between you and me, Mary, is that I have a sense of humour.”
    ________________

    Oh, don’t talk yourself down, Dreoilin. There are many other differences : you also have a sense of proportion and you are not an obsessive. Neither do you have that rather unpleasant National Socialist (or indeed Stalinist) tendency to judge people by their family background and ancestry.

    PS – I think that reference to Hilde Benjamin – which I did not choose lightly, of course – did get a few strings vibrating, didn’t it. :)

  182. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    6 Sep, 2014 - 2:22 pm

    “You will probably have the last word but I will not be responding. All very Irish.”
    ________________

    All very Irish?

    Observe the milk of human kindness overflowing…..

  183. “Yes, please do”

    Heh. The McCarthy Hearings made famous the need to prove a negative, putting the burden on the accused as though guilty until proven innocent. That’s what this feels like, and the mean-spriitedness of your Star Chamber indicates the opposite of your intent, I believe. You’re a nasty and intemperate piece of work.8

    Your coercion and glowering has no impact on me. i feel no need to defend myself from the toxins emanating from the acrid smoke of your inner anger, and over-compensating self-esteem. As to your sense of humor, it must be so dry as to be unnoticed. You have gone full troll. Begone, hind-tit Harridan.

  184. Resident Dissident

    6 Sep, 2014 - 3:03 pm

    Rather than Hilde Benjamin Lady Dorking does remind me not a little of the old maids in Clochmerle who spent their time watching the pissoir so that in due time they could be offended and express their outrage. Can any of our more learned contributors think oftheir British literary equivalents?

  185. Al Milliner

    6 Sep, 2014 - 3:12 pm

    Mary reminds me of Rosa Klebb.

  186. Al Milliner

    6 Sep, 2014 - 3:32 pm

    Guano

    “do shut up and take a look at this”

    Guano, you’re doing a Craig. A picture of a war zone does not make 15,000 deaths.

  187. Al Milliner

    6 Sep, 2014 - 3:41 pm

    Guano

    “Reactive violence, as opposed to legal redress/qisas/ en eye for an eye, is way out of the boundaries of Allah’s commands.”

    Can you tell me which category your prophet’s beheading of 600-900 Jews fits into?

  188. Can you tell me which category your prophet’s beheading of 600-900 Jews fits into?

    Pathetic!

    You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    Mat. 7:5

    Do tell which category 70 years of invasion, and mass murder of at least 4 million, along with ethnic cleansing of another four million (estimated as per the figures over these years, you may research through google, I know how much you like to site sources) did Moses specify, or fits in with Moses teachings?

  189. Where has the thread about Craig’s speech at St. Andrews gone?

    Seems deleted.

    Was it done because Ba’al Zevud predicted Trowbridge H, Fraud’s return after Bardarbunga started erupting – what now is expected to start shooting cloud ash into the atmosphere?

    Looks more like a disaster for Scotland is in the works.

  190. $18B can come from petty cash, but it must still smart.

    http://www.eurotrib.com/

    “A US judge has ruled that BP is guilty of gross negligence in the Deepwater oil catastrophe. If upheld (of course BP will appeal) it will increase the fine from $1100/barrel to $4300/barrel, totaling an estimated $18 Billion.

    BP had already plead guilty to 14 felonies, with a fine of $4.5B in a plea bargain with the US Gov! (Yes, felonies.)

    So how does one count the number of barrels already spilled, especially when BP publicly stated it was leaking 5000 barrels/day, while internal reports stated the leak could be between 62,000 and 146,000 barrels per day?

  191. Republicofscotland

    6 Sep, 2014 - 4:19 pm

    I see Lord Robertson, has called Scotland a minor entity in the UK, if that’s the case why is Westminster desperate to hold onto this “Minor Entity.” Of course Lord Robertson has form on this subject, he said that if Scotland became independent western Europe would fall into Balkanisation, the end of the world is “Nigh” if you believe Rabid Robertson.

    Meanwhile this sis doing the rounds, regarding Scottish independence, it starts of, well I won’t spoil the surprise you watch it and see.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbW_AT64m8E#t=99

  192. Al Millinner

    6 Sep, 2014 - 4:26 pm

    So there, 600-900 Jews as I proved with my detailed and reliable sourcing. And what about those dangerous extremists beheading poor innocent Israeli spy Steve Sotloff who was just minding his own business? They really did saw it off too, I saw it with my own eyes except for the part where they actually cut it off, because there it was sitting there detached on the internets not laughing or anything, don’t take it from me, ask the objective experts of SITE!!

    http://memoryholeblog.com/2014/09/03/sotloff-family-spokesman-is-media-pundit/

    See I substantiate my claims, not like you anti-english radicals. This proves you have to vote no and also give more nukes to Israel!!!

  193. @Habbyupchuck:

    Timoshenko is a very corrupt politician/oligarch but neither genocidal not a maniac.

    No?

    Quote:

    “It’s about time we grab our guns and kill go kill those damn Russians together with their leader.”

    Sounds genocidal to me and, frankly, insane.

  194. Republicofscotland

    6 Sep, 2014 - 4:43 pm

    Tel Aviv issues new tenders for about 300 settler units in the occupied West Bank despite international outcries against Israel’s illegal settlements.

    According to the documents published on the Israel Land Authority’s website, 283 settler units will be built in the Elkana settlement in the northwest of the occupied region.

    The latest announcement by Israeli authorities came shortly after Tel Aviv declared its biggest land grab in the occupied Palestinian territories in three decades.

    Israeli military sources said on Sunday that about 400 hectares of land at the settlement of Gevaot in the southern city of Bethlehem are “declared as Israeli land.”

    Israeli media reports say the plan is a part of Tel Aviv regime’s settlement expansion projects.

    Israeli settlements council has welcomed the new plan. The council members have expressed hope that the move will pave the way for the expansion of the Gevaot settlement and for making a new city.
    —————
    The chief Palestinian negotiator, Saeb Erakat, condemned the Israeli plan, saying that the Tel Aviv regime is “committing various crimes against the Palestinian people and their occupied land.”
    ———-
    The international community regards all Israeli settlements built on occupied Palestinian land as illegal.
    ———————
    So not content with genocidal murder of the Palestinian people, the poor souls are now being forced off their land, whilst the double speak international community’ claim that the illegal state of Israel’s land grab is wrong.

    Will the UN or NATO or any other powerful organisation do anything to help the poor women and children of Palestine? I think we ALL know the answer to that question.
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    Israel occupied and then annexed the West Bank and East al-Quds (Jerusalem) in the Six-Day War of 1967, but the move has never been recognized by the international community.

    More than half a million Israelis live in hundreds of illegal settlements built since Israel’s occupation of the Palestinian territories 47 years ago.
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    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/09/05/377764/israel-issues-new-settlement-tenders/

  195. Republicofscotland

    6 Sep, 2014 - 4:51 pm

    Physicians and human rights activists say evidence shows Israel used internationally banned weapons against civilians during its recent military offensive against the Gaza Strip, Press TV reports.

    According to international experts and physicians present during the most recent Israeli onslaught on Gaza, Tel Aviv once again used Dense Inert Metal Explosive (DIME), which are usually carried by US-made Hellfire rockets, against Gaza’s heavily-populated residential areas.

    Injuries caused by DIME bombs, also used during Israel’s 2009 offensive, are distinguishable from injuries caused by other weapons.

    Reports indicate that Israel also used armor piercing (AP) bombs, causing massive explosions resulting in large numbers of civilian casualties, including many women and children.

    Thermobaric weapons were also used to burn down entire residential buildings in Gaza.

    “Most of the weapons that were used to kill hundreds of civilians in Gaza contained depleted uranium. They also used new weapons that even international experts were unable to figure out their types,” Gaza Bomb Disposal Squad’s Ahmad Abudayyah said.
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    Not content with stealing their land they use illegal and barbaric weapons against women and children, whilst the UN, NATO, and the Hague sit back and twiddle their thumbs, whilst mumbling publicly we’ve told them not to do it.
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    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/09/04/377641/israel-used-banned-weapons-on-gaza/

  196. @Habbabkuk

    Your talk of “suppressing the fertility of the indigenous population” puts you in the General Jack D Ripper category, I’m afraid, CanSpeccy.

    So just fuck off, there’s a good egg!

    That’s a nice example of the way that any truth inimical to political correctness is buried with hate speech.

    Hate speech, in fact, is the essence of political correctness, the religion of the New World Order.

  197. OT

    Moderators – I see there’s a bit of a clean-up going on (hope you enjoyed your break, wherever you were). Any chance of having the spambots cleaned out of the Assange case thread? Damn buggers are every other post from this point onward:

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/why-i-am-convinced-that-anna-ardin-is-a-liar/comment-page-10/#comment-473521

  198. Republicofscotland

    6 Sep, 2014 - 5:04 pm

    They’ve been getting away with murder for years.

    http://www.gtr5.com/

  199. Disgusted from Tunbridge Wells, ok be deaf blind and dumb if that’s what you want to be.

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